>> on this vote, the yeas are 221, the nays are 204 with seven answering present. the motion is adopted. without objection, a motion to reconsider is laid on the table. ♪

host: good morning, everyone on this thursday, may 18. house lawmakers voted along party lines yesterday to defer a resolution to expel congressman george santos to the house ethics committee. the referral meant republicans and not have to vote up or down on expelling congressman santos. this morning, your reaction to the latest on the new york congressman. democrats, guest: (202) 748-8000 , republicans (202) 748-8001, independence (202) 748-8002. we will get to your thoughts in a minute.

following the vote in the house yesterday, congressman santos went to the capitol steps and held an ad hoc, chaotic gaggle with reporters to defend himself. [video clip] >> everybody is innocent until proven guilty. you cannot behave as judge and jury in this procedure. i think leadership for allowing this procedure. there were seven democrats who agreed and voted present on this procedure. i understand the policy is complicated but the reality is there is a procedure. you cannot be judge, jury and executioner. i have a constitutional right to defend myself and i will do that i look forward to doing that and i look forward to seeing the process play out and if the exit -- ethics committee finds cause to remove me, that's it. it's not about silencing 100 40,000 people who voted for me. host: the scene intensified when

new york democratic congressman jamal bowwman and alexandria pocasset cortez joined the reporters on the capital steps followed by marjorie taylor greene. take a look. [video clip] [laughter] >> what about george santos? >> resign. get him out. get him out. he's got to go. he's got to go. he's got to go. resign. save yourself, have some dignity. have some dignity. new yorkers need better, you've got to go.

the party is hanging by a thread. >> we've got to get rid of him. >> you've got to save the party. no more qanon, no more debt ceiling nonsense. , on, now. save the party. do something about congress. >> save the children. where are all the kids, the migrant kids? >> we love the migrant children. they are awesome. >> you cannot find them. >> let me tell you something -- [indiscernible] host: again, that was the scene outside the capital yesterday with new york congressman jamal

bowman criticizing republicans for not voting to expel congressman santos. they deferred the expulsion to the ethics committee. to some marjorie taylor greene there, the republican congresswoman defending the party. we want to get your reaction to what happened on the house floor yesterday. house republicans blocked a vote to expel congressman george santos. begin dialing in now. joining us this morning to give us more details about how this came about yesterday is lindsay mcpherson, senior congressional reporter. how did this resolution get to the house floor? guest: robert garcia, a democrat from california, had introduced his resolution back in february. expulsion resolution and other legislation is a metal of

privilege in the house which means any member can go to the floor and call up the question of privilege to force a vote and that's what he did on tuesday and that requires leadership to act on it within two legislative days. they have options to avoid an up or down vote and they deployed one of those options which was to move to refer the resolution to the ethics committee. that is what leadership did to avoid the upper down vote and republicans ended up voting with their leadership. host: why did republicans choose that movie? we have heard from some of his republican colleagues saying he should not be in congress. why not vote for the expulsion? guest: the main rationale is that expulsion is a pretty rare step that has not previously been used without either an ethics referral or

recommendation for expulsion or without a member having already been convicted of a crime. george santos has yet to be convicted. in the interest of due process, they thought they should send it to the committee and get the recommendation from ethics before they take that step. host: as you heard in his congressman santos noted, seven democrats voted present, why ? guest: they thought it was important to remain neutral. i haven't had a chance to speak with the democrats in my guess is that they also wanted to act in due process and send it to the committee. the committee has jurisdiction and they were already investigating this. they opened an investigative subcommittee to look into the allegations against george santos on february 28 so they had the authority to pursue that

and had the authority to pursue expulsion but some people felt it was too soon to bring the matter to the floor. host: who leads the committee and where is their investigation right now? guest: the investigative subcommittee is led by david joyce and susan wild. they cannot speak about their work so we really don't know how much they have accomplished in the past two months. from talking to other people, they did put things on pause a bit while the doj case played out against george santos. speaker kevin mccarthy says to move ahead with their investigation and now that the doj investigative part of their case is closed, they filed 13 charges against george santos. they can proceed with their own investigation in ethics.

that is a sense of what will probably happen but when i spoke to david joyce who leads the investigation subcommittee, he couldn't even tell me whether they have the authority to do that. typically it's the justice department and the ethics committee holds off until all the procedures are done including court cases. it's not 100% clear but all indications from lawmakers is that ethics will go ahead and pursue their investigation. host: will democrats drop this now? guest: that's to be determined. my guess is that they might wait a little to see if ethics has anything but i don't think they will necessarily sit around and let this go on all year. some democrats i think they believe this was kind of a smokescreen and republicans say they will do with this quickly but they will let the committee

deal with it and not be acted on. maybe they will give it some time to see if they are moving but i don't think it's a dead issue. host: lindsay mcpherson, senior congressional reporter with cq roll call. thank you very much. guest: thank you. host: let's get to your calls. patrice in south carolina, republican, what do you make of congressman santos and the effort yesterday by democrats to get him expelled? that expulsion was referred to the ethics committee. caller: thank you for taking michael. -- for taking my call. when you talk about the issue against santos, you have to first look at the totality of the congress or government as a whole. there is a two-party tiered

system of justice in the house. you have congresspeople who started the coup on president trump. with the russia collusion. people were dismissing the fact of the reality of the situation. then you have nancy pelosi doing anti-trading. when you give into ethics in congress, you have to first start at the beginning. you have to be honest and you have to be fair with both parties, not just one. when you start with santos, you cannot start with him. host: got it, stephen in michigan, he says he should not be in congress. his resume is fictional so how can he serve his constituents if he cannot be true to himself?

otis in orange park, florida, democratic caller, what do you say? caller: santos should go. he told lies and he got caught breaking the law. republicans tell lies but they don't get caught breaking the law. for everybody in america, we like our particular style of news. watch your own news but go to pbs and your local neighborhood, it comes on at 8:00 -- 7:00 in the nighttime and this is what they say. then go back to your favorite shows. santos has to go, the guy is standing up there telling america that he will have his day in corporate sometimes you don't need a year to investigate a person for committing a crime. sometimes it is right in front of you.

we want to take sides. when republicans want to take sides against democrats, democrats want to take sides against republicans. look at the issue at hand. take the red and the blue out and look at the issue and say is this right? we make decisions in our lifetime about people but we look at that guy and it ain't right. now we want to -- the other side did it. tackle the issue at hand and the one person, one issue. host: all right, julian in new haven, connecticut, independent. caller: good morning. host: your turn to weigh in on this debate. you are it in the house of representatives so what do you say? caller: first of all, i want to make an observation on a correction.

the politicians name is dossan tos which is one name of puerto rican extraction. i guess the average c-span caller or average voter doesn't know the difference between ape puerto rican and a portuguese but i just wanted to make that point. the gentleman's name is george dossantos. the second thing is i'm an independent and quite frankly, since i am a retired old man, i listen and i favor the democratic positions but there is too much money being thrown around for no good reason. the other day i was watching a program about ronald reagan and reporters of ronald reagan's time came up with a term --

the cadillac welfare queen. they had this lady with the cadillac host: can you make your point? caller: the point is, we are third just throwing too much money away and there has to be something in the middle. thank you for letting me speak. host: let's go back to capitol hill when yesterday, congressman robert darcy a coming freshman who introduced the expulsion resolution held a news conference and here's what he had to say, his argument as to what congressman santos needs to go. [video clip] >> he is an impairment -- he is an embarrassment to the house in the country. people want honest and ethical government. we know we received classified briefings in his house and george santos should not have access to our country's most guarded secrets. lastly, the house voted on legislation regarding unemployment fraud. he voted for it while standing accused of unemployment fraud. it took time to restore this

body to what it should be. we all filed this resolution three months ago even before this last group of charges. with power comes great responsibility and the represented from new york is filling no interest in a public good and we should not refer this matter to the ethics committee. it's already there. every republican should stand up and join us and defend this body and expel george santos. host: congressman garcia with his motion to expel. they voted along party lines but the house representatives yesterday referred the resolution to the ethics committee which is already investigating george santos. representative dean phillips, democratic congressman from minnesota tweeted out that i served on the house ethics for four years, it's not resource or

structure to perform the expeditious accountability congress need. instead of investing in ethics, the gop made changes in january to reduce its efficacy. he also writes -- it's not a surprise that the majority wishes to refer george santos to a committee that is already investigating him in all likelihood, will be unable to make the recommendation that almost every member of congress knows is necessary and appropriate. let's listen to the speaker of the house, kevin mccarthy earlier this week defending his move to refer this expulsion to the ethics committee. [video clip] >> i think the george santos indictment is very serious. in america, you're innocent until proven guilty but i don't want to sit around and wait. i would like to move this to ethics. i would like the house to take up this work and look at it and if it rises to the occasion.

as we look to these issues, we had report command from durham. what does that say about adam schiff? he liked to the american public? should he be expelled from congress as well? taking congress in america down through the path he did and lying to us? i think these accusations are very serious and i have a concern about george santos. i firmly believe in the foundation of this country and you have to have a process. i will ask that the ethics look at this and don't do a short time -- a long time basis. i think we can look at this quickly and come to a conclusion on what george santos did and did not do through x six just through f just through ethics. i think that's when you bring it back to congress. i would like to refer this to ethics.

i will have a conversation with hakim and i would like the ethics committee to move rapidly on this. i think there is enough information out there now that they can start looking at this and i think they can come back to congress probably faster than a court case good. host: speaker kevin mccarthy earlier this week, defending the republican move yesterday to block and exposing vote of george santos and instead referring it to ethics. more this morning from punch bowl news --

jan in rockford, michigan, democratic caller, what do you say? caller: good morning, i was watching and hoping the republicans would do the right thing but again, nothing from them. i'm just so disappointed in that whole house of representatives that they couldn't at least get rid of this guy. thank you. host: cindy in sarasota, florida, independent. it's your turn. cindy, good morning. we are listening to you. all right, let me move on to tom willimantic, connecticut, is that right? caller: thanks for struggling. i don't want anything to happen to congressman santos. the removal of him, he should be

recalled by the voters that voted for him. this will all be resolved when president trump is reelected. we will have a legitimate president and i trust his judgment. i don't trust the judgment of any of the people in congress. they approved antony blinken to be secretary of state who orchestrated a phony letter alleging russian interference. don't believe what you hear. i will watch the whistleblower hearing at 9:00 a.m. on c-span this morning. i recommend everybody watch that on c-span at 9:00 a.m. host: let me make sure people know where to go because the houses gaveling in at 9:00 a.m.. that's right here on c-span and we will bring you gavel-to-gavel coverage of the house. on c-span3 is where we will have

the fbi whistleblower hearing, alleged abuses by fbi leadership before the house select subcommittee on the weaponization of the federal government. again, c-span3 at 9:00 a.m. eastern time and you can download our free mobile app, c-span now and watch it there or on demand at c-span.org. what tom was referring to about the voters of george santos having a say in this is an issue that is taken up by the conversation.com looking at what can happen with george santos. in short, they write --

a little history for you, you heard this reference before that it's difficult to expel a member congress, it takes 2/3 in the house has only expelled five members in history, three of them for disloyalty to the union in the civil war by fighting for the confederacy. cleveland, ohio, democratic caller, you are next. caller: good morning to you. i don't mind him going through the ethics to look at it that

way but he will be either guilty or not guilty. hello? host: we are listening. caller: once they find that out, everything he voted for, if he's found guilty, should be like void. he's affecting people's personal lives and everything. it doesn't seem right because they knew about him and they are still voting to let him stay there. his name should be stricken from everything he signed his name too. thank you, have a good day. host: john, dearborn michigan, independent, what do you say? caller: good morning, i guess ethics is maybe the better place for it but ultimately, i think it probably will result in termination that he should be removed.

campaign finance is pretty corrupt. i don't think mccarthy should have blocked that vote. s i thinkchiff has to be removed to because russia gape was criminal. the sanctimony of these representatives is just laughable. i don't take 535 members of congress seriously. i think they are silly people. host: robert in michigan, a republican, we will go to you. caller: hello there. that guy that just spoke was singing my song. why in the devil s iswawell not in jail, sleeping with a chinese spy. all of a sudden the democrat say nothing to see here. after whatshiff did to trunk, he should be under the jail. this is outrageous that these

people, the sanctimony the man said. this is bs and everybody knows it. host: can i have you respond to this paragraph in the new york times this morning about republicans blocking that vote yesterday? do you agree with a tacit endorsement? caller: listen, there is a lot ofbs going on up there. the people elected him, let them vote him out. i want to consider everything.

somebody explained to meet white democrats cannot do anything wrong and republicans can't do anything right. when somebody can explain that to me, to my satisfaction, then i will have an answer for you. host: all right,elena in new york, democratic caller. caller: hello. i feel like santos, the big problem is ethical, not criminal. it sort of like if i went to a restaurant and i said i would like a nice tofu meal and it turns out to be stake. the people voted for something and he basically lied about who he was. it's an ethical issue, not a criminal one. host: let's listen to the charges brought against him from the associated press --

does that change your mind about whether this is ethical or legal? caller: again, it's two separate things.

you have congress which doesn't deal with criminal aspects. i think there is also criminal things the department of justice should handle. however, i think the big issue is that nobody vetted this person previously. this stuff is easy to do. i believe he ran two years previous so why wasn't he vetted and why didn't this stuff come out until he made it into congress? people failed politically now we had deal with the consequences and this spectacle. host: oh k, let's listen to the congressman last week after his arraignment in new york, saying he would not resign. [video clip] >> the reality is, it makes no sense that it's four months, five months. i'm indicted. you have joe biden's entire

family receiving deposits from nine family members receiving money from foreign destinations into their bank accounts. it's been years of exposing a lot of you have reported on them. yet, no investigators are on to them. i'm going to fight my baffle. i will deliver. i will take care of clearing my name and i look forward to doing that. host: congressman santos last wednesday after he was arraigned in new york on those 13 charges. the justice department investigating him and prosecuting in the ethics committee in congress also looking into george santos, how he ascended to congress and yesterday, as you all know, we are getting your reaction to the house not voting to expel him and instead referring that expulsion to the ethics committee.

kurt in baltimore, independent -- curtis in baltimore, go ahead. caller: thank you and good morning. host: good morning. caller: just a couple of things to say real fast -- together, the people stand and divided they fall. in this country, this system of government doesn't work for the people because it's just straight falsehoods when it comes to the elected officials or so-called elected officials. i was looking at a case in south carolina and north carolina were

a lady was branded as a democrat then changed to a republican. it's just a complete falsehood when it comes to these people getting elected. i think it has a big thing to do with -- i don't have anything against trump but a lot of the things he did gives people the just occurs to give tasha do it they do. he says it's a witchhunt and he's done nothing wrong. people are just living in falsehood and i understand why jesus said now that the governments of this world are not in my father's kingdom, thank you very much. host: susan in massachusetts, republican, what do you say about congressman santos? caller: how are you doing? he is not guilty and no one has proved anything yet but in the public opinion, he should go. you know what i want to go? that mumbling biden.

they go after this guy and they had all the evidence on the biden crime family and they are doing nothing but covering up so marjorie taylor greene with garland up there, she will have christopher wray. they use their power to stop trump with that laptop from hell. everything they say, there lies and they are corrupt. joe biden should be ashamed. you knuckleheads that voted for this mess should be ashamed of yourself. host: all right, st. petersburg, florida, independent, we are talking about congressman george santos, what do you think? caller: good morning. i think that lady should chill out and smoke a little bit.

i love santos. he is an absolute legend. listen to his interviews, all these guys are screwing us anyway so why don't we get some content out of the deal. that's my thoughts on it. host: scott in las vegas, democratic caller. caller: good morning, i think santos should be expelled but i'm not saying it will ever happen. the republicans have shown they put politics above all else. after all, they supported a president that ran an insurrection against their country and i think it's unlikely they will take action and i hope the justice department can convict. host: robert in kentucky, republican. caller: it sure seems like we've got enough to expel him but not

until the process plays out. if he had pleaded guilty, we have him now but he pleaded not guilty. do we expel nancy pelosi for insider trading and then investigate her? why she wouldn't have certain bills come before the house and committees to investigate things that went perfectly along with colleagues investing in the stock market? host: all right, amy and jacksonville, florida, independent. good morning to you. caller: good morning. hello? host: we are listening. caller: yes, i support george santos and this process that will play out. for me, it's a comedy, it's theater now because it

underscores the idiocy that is our political system. someone who can fabricate their entire life can become a federal member of congress. i think the republicans, is just hilarious. p they gotunked and i'm enjoying this play out. the reason the republicans are uncomfortable with santos is not so much that he made some stuff up about himself. it's the fact that he is a little bit cross-dressing. he cross-dressing the past like rudy giuliani and there is another republican that cross dresses as well. i support people that do that

and i wish the republicans would be ok with themselves. it's ok if you want to cross-dress. just love yourself and eight let's accept each other. when we are electing people to congress, we need to know what they stand for them we need to know who they are and where they come from. i guess that's my opinion. i would say go, george and yeah. host: let's listen to freshman democratic congressman dan goldman, criticizing speaker mccarthy's effort to refer the expulsion resolution to the ethics committee. [video clip] >> there is an ongoing investigation by the ethics committee. there is reporting the ethics committee may have been waiting for the criminal process to play out. it is a complete copout to have

a redundant motion to refer a resolution to an ethics committee that is already investigating this. it is simply an effort for the republicans to avoid taking an up or down vote on whether or not george santos belongs here. to every member of the republican conference from new york, i say to you, if you vote for this motion to refer it to the ethics committee, you are complicit in the fraud and you are voting to make sure he continues to be a member of congress. it is not acceptable for you to shirk your duty, to determine whether or not an about fraudster, a serial liar and someone who the overwhelming majority of his constituents want him removed from congress can remain in this body and continue to do damage to our institution. host: new york democratic

congressman dan goldman before yesterday's vote. the vote was along party lines, 221-204 to refer the expulsion to the ethics committee. seven democrats, five of them that serve only ethics committee voted present on that vote. we are asking your opinion of the debate yesterday. joe, north carolina, democratic caller. caller: good morning. i think he should be expelled. i also want to say to the american people that it's amazing to me how dumbfounded the american people have become. this thing we are looking at is like looking at l.a., thec bloods and therips, blues and reds. these people are not doing anything for us.

the government has gotten out of hand and a lot of them inside the congress and senate are communists. all you had to do is listen to them talk. this country is going down the drain fast and the main thing is in god we trust. that's on the back of every coin in god we trust. what got are they trusting? host: all right, i will go to gym in next in hudson, florida, republican, what do you say? caller: i say santos is probably guilty but they don't want to lose his votes. they don't want to lose just the republicans don't want to lose this vote so they will slow walk what they are doing but to have the same problem in the senate. two people in the senate should not be there. one for age and the other because he's not capable but you think the democrats are going to

do anything to vote them out? they want their votes. it's the same thing with santos. they want his votes, they just don't want to give up on the vote as they would in the senate. that's all i have to say and i appreciate you taking my call. host: deborah, montgomery, alabama, independent. caller: hi, i think that santos is representing what the party is and at large a lot of politicians. they are really not genuine people. it reminds me of this movie where eddie murphy ran on being someone he was not and got elected and they basically told him in the party that as long as you give us your vote, you can stay. the guy that was talked about

not seeing nothing wrong with democrats always something want -- wrong with republicans, that's because in today's republican party, they get behind people that they shouldn't like santos who is number one and they let him stay and that's up to them. you cannot say that people are looking down on one party and not looking down on another. you are in the party and you literally get behind folks you know are criminal. host: again, it's difficult to expel a member of congress. it takes a 2/3 majority vote in the house has only expelled five members in history and three of them for disloyalty to the union in the civil war and the most recent member to be expelled

was jamestraffican democrat of ohio convicted of conspiracy to commit bribery among other crimes. back to the conversation --

you can read more if you go to the conversation.com. next is a democratic caller, what do you say? caller: i think he should resign. i really think he should resign. i have another question i would like to say. mccarthy is saying that adam schiff should be expelled but what about what he said about hillary clinton? they went on with the investigation anyway. adam schiff -- if adam schiff should be gone, he should be gone, that's what i had to say this morning. host: dave is in greenville, tennessee, republican. caller: good morning and thank you for taking my call.

this is a small story compared to the john durham report that's being ignored by the press. the report shows that jake sullivan and antony blinken and hillary -- it just goes on and on. the corruption that's going on and it's being ignored. host: we had a conversation with our viewers about the durham report. you can find the entire report on our website, c-span.org. charlene in tennessee, independent. are you there? we will move on to savannah, georgia, democratic caller. good morning to you. caller: good morning. host: go ahead. caller: george santos, he is a

big old goofball. i don't think he is really that fit physically or mentally to probably do a good job. host: james in myrtle beach, south carolina, republican. caller: good morning, thanks for taking my call. to start with, republicans would be perfectly willing to get rid of this guy but when does the two-tier system justice in this country end? hillary and her campaign destroyed subpoena evidence and nothing happened. we keep talking about january 6 and democrats ran against newly erected president for four years i think george santos is a piece of crap, too but let's stop picking fights with the other side. let's ask for across the board.

host: do you think yesterday on this vote, should republicans have let the house vote up or down to expel him? caller: are we going to vote up or down to expel adam schiff? will we vote up or down to get rid of these other people that have called for violence against republicans and other things like this? all americans want isn't even hand, he level playing field and we are not getting it. host: all right, dwayne in jamaica, new york, independent. good morning. caller: good morning. listening to my fellow callers, they are missing the point. are we going to look at this is george santos -- he did wrong but we will protect him? we've got to go -- stop going back to the past.

why are we going back over and over to hillary clinton and why are we talk about adam schiff. he has done nothing to the american people because he was the manager of the impeachment and that's why republicans are attacking him. let's get rid of santos and move on with the american business. we have a debt ceiling coming up so let's deal with that. let's get santos out of the way and deal with americans problems. host: we will talk about the debt ceiling with two members of congress our next hour on the "washington journal." we will get an update on where negotiations are. and the deadline that looms over these talks. it could come as early as june 1 when the treasury runs out of options for paying our nations bills. joe in twin lakes, michigan, democratic caller. caller: good morning.

i think of al franken. he bowed out and that's the way i look at it. i think senator al franken, that's all i have to say. host: we will go to lonnie in clarksville, what do you think should happen with congressman george santos? caller: it is bs. it's been going on too long. adam schiff should go as well. how many millions of dollars is being spent from the taxpayers money? host: dan in birmingham, alabama, democratic caller, your turn. caller: good morning.

[indiscernible] i can't believe what's going on in washington. host: it's difficult to hear you. i will have to move on. maryland, republican, go ahead. caller: i just wanted to make a comment about the santos situation. yeah, anybody corrupt, anybody that would falsify anything about themselves and then go to represent the people of this great country should definitely be accountable for that. i was listening to your recent callers and they have all great points. it is across the entire republican and democratic party, people like santos.

i would like to see justice but i would like to see justice fair and equitable across those parties. we have a justice system that is failing us, that's all. host: catherine, new jersey, independent. caller: yes, good morning. i am personally astounded that this man could lie about everything and get into our congress and no one wants to do anything about that? that just seems so odd to me. i'm really not even sure what's going on here anymore. it's very disturbing. host: should they have voted to expel him yesterday? caller: absolutely. if he doesn't have the decency to do it himself, congress

should take it upon themselves to remove him. host: a republican in georgetown, delaware, what do you say? caller: i kind of have the opinion that this one-sided level of judgment in our doj and our cia, they wasted no time going after george santos but they didn't go after nancy pelosi for her insider trading. they didn't go after biden for all of the deals he's done and his son has done that has affected the policies of our country and hurt every american which is treasonous. i think if they want to expel anybody, they need to start with the president of the united states, charge him with treason and get the whole administration out and clear the swamp. i am not a trump fan.

i think he is very narcissistic. at least he was a businessman and had a business which the bidens do not. george santos needs to justify what he has done but we've got a legal system to handle that. the legal system needs to work both ways. host: all right, miami, independent. caller: yes, i see the decline of america with electing or getting voted in with scum like george santos. i don't know what is wrong with the voters of america. they elect dumb idiots like these people. we need to have people of integrity and trust in these offices. we elect substandard people. i don't know what's wrong with people, they don't see all of this. the parties do nothing. they should all be kicked out

and nancy should have been kicked at in these people have to have limits -- term limits. host: yesterday, house members voted along party lines to refer a resolution to expel congressman george santos to the house ethics committee. the vote was 221- 204, seven democrats voted present. the resolution to expel him was put on the floor by democrats wanting to force an up or down vote and republicans used a parliamentary option of referring that resolution to the ethics committee to avoid having to vote on george santos'record. we are getting your reaction to the debate this morning. mike is next in virginia, democratic caller. caller: hello, how are you? host: i'm doing well, go ahead. caller: it was said to what's that vote. when i washed it i said a they

putn end run on the line vote. i have recently retired from a local city government. and when you sign up with things are put in your application, i'm not sure how congress is but don't they sign something that says you are caught lying? it's like an application. don't they apply some way? if i lied on anything, i would be gone. i think the guy should resign. i know think that's going to happen and they will drag this out when the vote happens again. more than likely. host: terry in illinois, republican, what do you say? caller: i think george santos should never have been elected to office. i am republican and i will admit

that but we have dianne feinstein, fetterman who are not, -- competent to be lawmakers and they remain where they are and adam schiff tortured our president for four years and got away with it. let's just be evenhanded across the board. i don't see white george santos needs to be kicked out. host: sharon in illinois sends us a text -- maurice in michigan, independent, good morning. caller: good morning. it's no doubt that santos should

not have been elected. there is a whole group of congress from both parties that fall into the same packet. this is just an another -- host: we are listening. caller: it's another event that indicates to tears of justice. both parties are guilty. it's obvious, everybody knows it. neither one will suddenly develop the true meaning of the word ethics. is conditional with both parties. the condition is that they cannot hurt themselves by getting rid of a person. the worst person in my recent past is this guy called shiff in

the senate. he should have been kicked out two years ago. that is not going to happen. host: congressman schiff in the house. caller: the clown that organized the rebellion against donald trump. i think his first name is adam. host: adam schiff is a democrat from california. finisher point. caller: it's a two-tiered justice system and neither party is willing to do a true ethical examination. host: all right, sacramento, democratic caller. caller: hello, greta. i use call c-span but lately, there are all these different people with opinions and

nobody's really listening. i don't know how come they are calling and because everyone has an opinion. the only person they are listening to his donald trump and you can tell republicans will not do anything unless donald trump says it. you can tell by your callers that every answer they give is because of what donald trump said. they don't look at none of the dirt they do. it's all because of their mentality which is power. that's all they want is white supremacy. that's what it's all about. it's such a complicated issue. i don't even know what to say. host: we

caller: good morning and thank you for taking my call. i would like for everyone to back to their civics lessons. i understand they never teach those. if you go to civics you understand these people that we want to question their ethics on, lots to question. hitting the nail on the head all the time. the voters on occasion make very bad decisions. but who has the right to tell the voters you are wrong so were going to undo what you did? that's what everybody is asking for here.

the voters will decide whether they want an unethical person to represent them or not. host:'s is he there in georgia. patty isn't an independent in new york. caller: i agree with the last caller, it is the voters choice. if they vote him out and so be it. they have to respect with the voters demand. host: yesterday before president biden left for japan for a g7 summit he went before the cameras could talk about the debt ceiling deadline here is what he had to say. pres. biden: yesterday we all agreed that we would designate senior members who would negotiate to give authority to make agreements so we narrowed the group. to meet and hammer out our differences.

we've done that. they met last night they will be meeting again today and i will be in constant contact with my team while i at the g7. what i have done in anticipation that we won't get it done until i get back as i cut my trip short. i'm ready to be here for the final negotiation. i made it clear, and i will say again, america is not a deadbeat nation. we pay our bills. the nation has never defaulted on its debt and we never will. we will continue negotiations until we reach an agreement and i will have more to say about that on sunday. i will have a press conference on the issue. as it stands not the intention is to go to the g7, be back here on sunday and in the meantime

i've not spoken to the australian leader and i will see him at the g7. he will be there along with the indian prime minister and along with the japanese as well. the quad members will be there. we will get a chance to talk separately at the meeting but it's unlikely i will be going on to australia so think you very much. host: president biden at the white house yesterday before leaving for the g7 summit. giving an update on where the talks stand between house speaker kevin mccarthy and the white house over raising the nation's debt limit. writing in new york times speaker kevin mccarthy got what he wanted the chance to go one-on-one against biden.

the speaker who believes he has been treated dismissively by the white house wanted agreement that his representatives would negotiate directly with president biden's top lieutenants. they put him and the president more in control of high-stakes discussions over averting a disastrous default. after insisting for months they would never do so the president appears ready to discuss a potential discussion. eugene, back to our conversation about george santos, what do you think should happen to the congressman? should he be able to continue to serve? caller: yes. i'm a democrat but i think santos is a perfect in-your-face republican. he compares that the republican

party of trump and mccarthy. so, yeah. it's who the republicans are. it's in-your-face. beautiful. host: edward in ohio, republican. edward, what do you think should happen to republican santos? caller: my memory is bad. when it comes to santos, has he been convicted of anything? host: he has been charged with 13 federal crimes. caller: ok. so that's what i was thinking. it seems like a lot of people are wanting to do away with this man's due process and just kick him out of office despite what the voters are saying. let the man serve his term, let

him go through his due process. if he's found guilty, then, you know, take care of it then. host: congressman george santos last week and from is from the associated press for fabricating his life story pleaded not guilty when faced chargers he duped donors, still from his campaign, and lied to congress about being a millionaire while cheating to collect unemployment benefits he didn't deserve. michelle, staten island, new york, independent. let's hear from you next. caller: i'll tell you this is like watching a scary movie. you just don't know what's going to happen next. the world has gone crazy. how do the people that voted him in feel? that's who i would like you to interview. the people who believed all the lies and got to into this.

and now, it's like, it's unbelievable. he's got to go. that's my opinion. host: james in massachusetts, what do you think? caller: good morning, greta. you are talking about george santos that lied about his resume you have a president who lied out his entire life. you know, everybody turns this that opportunity is ridiculous. the man was elected. you have people here say you have a card-carrying democratic-socialist. that's ok. 95 democrat republicans voted against condemning socialism. that's ok.

but they put this guy here he got elected, joe biden is pulling will over everybody's eyes in his democratic party and i think he's just the perfect example of what's going on in this country right now. host: our previous caller said let's ask the voters of george santos'district. here's what you will find on the front page. santos under arrest, told you so. was arrested on 13 count federal indictment surrendered at the u.s. federal courthouse and was released on a $500,000 bail the north shore leader was the first newspaper in october of 2022 to call santos a fraudster and with the criminal offenses that santos committed some of which he is not charged. the new york times followed up

and published its own on december 19, 2022. even more santos fraud. donald in indiana, republican. hi, donald. caller: good morning. host: what do you think should happen with the congressman? caller: i think he should have been voted out. but his politics, the democrats got one over again on the republicans. they forced a vote up and down. and they didn't have it so that's just a win for the democrats. but he should go. he should have been voted out. i was hoping maybe they'd give term limits on some of these people. they get too old and get in there and get involved and stuff they shouldn't be involved in.

why is he doing their job getting these people to justice? i think the justice system should give opportunity to play out in this case but he should have been voted out. that's my comment. host: ok. all right, donald there. coming up at 9:00 a.m. eastern time here in washington, d.c., the subcommittee on the weaponization of the federal government will have a hearing with three fbi whistleblowers who are alleging abuses by fbi leadership and we will have coverage of that. 9:00 a.m. eastern time on c-span3, c-span now our free mobile video app or on demand at c-span.org. tina, independent, your thoughts on george santos? caller: i have a couple of views

there with me. he has been charged, he has not been convicted. i would encourage everybody who insists on calling anyone on the gop side a maga republican to watch the hearings because i'm not seeing coverage on the mainstream regarding the whistleblowers. we've already charged santos. hunter biden has been charged we are convicting this man in the public. it needs to go to the court system. he was put there for a reason. we've got to stop with the hypocrisy. let the system work. i find it appalling. host: just so you know i saw a segment about today's hearing on capitol hill with those fbi whistleblowers. eric in maryland, democratic color.

--caller. caller: good morning. my thoughts on santos is he should stay but he should not be able to vote on anything. as far as his boat that allowed the republicans to bring up this so-called debt ceiling bill should not have been actually handed to him as a deciding vote. the other thing is all the republicans talk about adam schiff to and all that they have to remember that everything about donald trump's russian collusion was the republicans were in charge at the time. they're the ones that started

the investigation. they are the ones that appointed robert moeller and the democrats problem was that they provide on a republican to do a report and they were just going by what people are doing. so everybody, all of the republic can need to chill out as far as the democrats and donald trump because it was all done under republican hands. a republican held congress. host: royko it -- roy, north carolina, republican. caller: i don't even know where to begin. if this guy broke the law, you know, and lied on his resume if that's what it is, yields on even talk about what the allegations really are. host: we have.

we listed them from the associated press, had i can find them while you are talking. caller: i'm sure you can. let's talk about the allegations, let's talk about the truth of what has been found on hunter biden's laptop. why don't you do a whole damn week on that. this nothing burger that said the fbi and the cia chose a side , the deep state israel. he said they were after trump on the dossier that apparently, the fbi went with that they knew it was false and they went with it because the last thing that they want is a guy that loves america and believes in the constitution and god to be president. they got him out of there. host: all right, we are talking

about george sent -- george santos. among the allegations prosecutors a santos crated a company and forced donors to donate to it under the false pretense that the money would be used to support his campaign. he used the money for personal expenses including designer close, credit cards, and car payments. accused of lying about finances on correctional disclosure forms and claiming unemployment benefits while making 120 thousand as regional director of an investment firm. allegations that it was a ponzi scheme. nick in ohio, independent. what do you think about the congressman? caller: he's a -- we have a pathological liar as a president so what's the problem with having a pathological liar as the congressman? republicans want to take the

path if you're really that's willing to believe the lies then you're going to see people like santos and trump in office. this is the makeup of our country right now and the people who are being elected on the right. if you have a president that's a pathological liar, now you have a congressman is a pathological liar. nothing's going to happen. we will see more pathological liars in the future on the right. host: laura, new york, your turn. caller: you know the one thing i want to say is i am a caller from district three. i did not vote for him, i am a democrat i voted for robert zimmerman. what an f the people calling whether calling on the democratic or republican line this is a very large district.

a year ago they widened the district and made it even larger. we have had no representation since george santos was affected. when our previous congressman was our congressman i contacted him on issues. he was in the district, he was visible. there is just no representation for one of the largest parts of long island and people don't understand that. one thing i also want to make clear as i am a very informed voter. during the election between zimmerman and santos none the, and i saw a robert zimmerman and the democrats just as much but none of the campaigns it showed the information that was out during the election. they liked that george santos was who we later found out him to be.

yes, there are republicans in this district and there no guarantee a democrat would win a new election but many of the people who voted for george santos were voting for someone who they had no idea of what he was truly like. and he was lucky to be elected he was a republican governor candidate as well. i think the other point i want to get across is the person living in his district i have no representation and he's at the go because we, we need a congressman we need representation. it's a disgrace that we've had to put up with this and i don't think people who are living in other states understand what it's truly like to be in this district and that's really all i want to say. host: i will add to what you said the new york post ran this piece.

he ran for governor indicted representative george santos should resign. rudy in ohio, independent -- republican. good morning to you. caller: george santos, using a choir boy compared to some of these other clowns. joe biden, shift -- adam schiff. you got the senator claiming to be in vietnam and never left stateside. he's been there for how many years? he's one of the dirtiest senators in the senate. been around forever. you have other ones like obama started out as a senator, lied, lied, i'd. why don't some of these people get out and ask where was obama

the night of benghazi? so-called journalists, we don't have none. host: coming up in about 10 minutes we will switch our attention to the debt ceiling debate we were supposed to have congressman brendan boyle joining us this morning at 8:00 a.m. your time but due to unforeseen circumstances he had to cancel. we will invite him back on. at 8:30 we will be joined by republican congresswoman lisa mcclain of michigan. she's the secretary serving on the budget committee. we will ask her what's happening on a capitol hill the behind-the-scenes talks over what to do with the debt limit. built in colorado, hello bill. caller: i feel sorry for the folks in santos'district. the entire nation has to deal

with what is left. i believe in justice and my question is whatever happened to a speedy trial? get to the palm of this -- bottom of this as quickly as possible. host: morgan, what do you say? caller: i don't know why anybody is surprised. they've got nazi sympathizers, what else is new? their head honcho trump is a rapist. what do you expect? this is nothing new. host: cindy in send carlos, california. caller: good morning. i just want, i'm not in his district and that certainly doesn't make republicans look very good. however, i keep thinking about the democratic senator menendez

who was indicted on charges and the republicans were calling for him to resign during his indictments and then he was found not guilty. i just wanted to remind people to let the due process go through. and have a nice day. host: joe in halifax, virginia. joe, what do you say? what should happen with the congressman? caller: the hypocrisy is amazing. i am willing to accept the fact that george santos should resign. but for people to call whether you like santos or don't like him to defendant joe biden who did pretty much the same thing by lying about his record as far as a college student. lying about his plagiarizing in

the presidential election all the atrocities many of you guys who are calling right now you voted for this man and now your calling for the head of george santos? if he should resign, be indicted, whatever the case may be and you can say that about joe biden? that speaks more about you guys calling and shame on you. especially the previous caller joe biden was accused of rape too. when is the hypocrisy going to end on the left? host: dana, ohio, democratic caller. caller: so we have this issue with santos and i think first off, is proven to be a liar. he shouldn't be allowed to

participate in votes but we have a bigger problem. the bigger problem is we have the electoral college. we have partisan gerrymandering all over the country that forces republicans to be in power in many places they shouldn't be. and then on top of that we have those same republicans that got gerrymandered into those spots. then they are writing new bills so they can basically just undermine the elections and throw away all the people's votes in their state. you know, and then they also take away the power from the judges in those states. supreme court judges that would decide the gerrymandering issues

and were basically stuck. if you can't do something about the voting they get better people in, i'm all for us unlike the people that we believe in. that's great. but if we are ripped off in a way where our vote means absolutely nothing, how are we ever going to make a change? so we get people in in their like santos and again i agree with another color you had this that we have a pathological liar in trump and then his whole presidency we had many people who were the same kind of corrupt people and benches encourages like santos to come along and run so they can get right in their and to do the same kinds of things. host: republican line.

caller: if santos is not doing anything to help or support his district, yes, he needs to go. but regarding lies, when they brown him up they need to round up probably way over 50% of these senators in congress. they are only caring about their families, their well-being. we don't like lindsey graham here in south carolina. all he does is get on tv when there's an issue and cry and smart about it but the biggest pathological liar, joe biden. lying to people that he's going to pay their college tuition. he has lied to people ever since

he's been in office. quit believing this man he needs to be out. host: thank you. teresa in hollywood, florida. we are talking about your santos chris tried to push in expulsion resolution. republicans made a move to refer to the exit -- ethics committee. caller: thank you for having me and taking my call. i would like to say that this continued move to the communist, marxist process of eliminating to process is unacceptable there has to be a process of allocation setting up a committee to investigate and they have to report back to the people that elected this man. this is about an election that took place and people voted for

this man i would say and awaited issue they probably care more about what he represent rather than his background having said that, if he did things illegally the voters have a right to know and he has to be held accountable. but we don't have that until the due process is completed. i think that mccarthy appointed a, a committee to oversee this i think it is the most credible thing to do and let the process play out. host: teresa there in hollywood, florida. coming up on the "washington journal" people turn our attention to the debt ceiling talks. joining us this morning will be house republican conference secretary congresswoman lisa mcclain from michigan. in case you missed it yesterday

the u.s. postmaster general testified on oversight of the usps before a house oversight accountability you can watch the hearing on c-span.org. here's a little portion of yesterday's testimony. [video clip] >> mr. detroit do you ever visit post offices? yes or no? >> frequently. >> have you ever visited any of the international centers? >> i have. >> have you ever visited one in california? >> i think it was carson before, it was international center. >> ok. do you believe that if employees should have to work in a facility that it's below 30 degrees? >> no. >> to you believe employees should have to work in environments closer to 100

degrees? >> osha even though they don't have a specific number, they have a temperature range and it is far well away from those let me tell you about working conditions in that facility it happens to be in my congressional district. i wrote a letter about this and asked for a phone call about it. these are working conditions the employees of the united states postal service have been faced with from december of 2022 to march of 2023 employees were working in this facility and the building it was intended to be a warehouse, not really a processing center it did not have any kind of hvac system and the electrical capacity there is not sufficient to run nf heaters to regulate the temperatures in

the building. i went to visit it and joined the workers, who are out protesting against these unacceptable, and suitable conditions so that you have been made aware of this, what are you committed to trying to do to try to fix this? >> congresswoman, we have plenty of facilities like that. around the country that have worked, have traditions, and we are out addressing them. host: are you saying you're have a lot of facilities were workers are working in unsafe conditions? >> there are different types of conditions that they will make workplace activities we bought one in terms and that's a big part of what the belgium -- america better plan is about.

it was part of a process we are getting out of the building are going to close the building down consolidated into a los angeles facility that we have what we have and when conditions happen and we have people working and mail flowing we are not always able to respond to these types of conditions. that is the accumulation of 15 years of neglect. host: mr. joy, "washington journal", continues. a congresswoman lisa mcclain republican of michigan she is the republican conference secretary and serves on the budget and armed services committee thanks for your time this morning. let's begin with where talks stand right now because we've learned that on capitol hill the white house had their negotiate

is there along with speaker mccarthys top lieutenant so have you been briefed? caller: yeah and speaker mccarthy briefed the american people in the media yesterday in terms of where we are at which as we passed, republicans passed a bill to raise the debt ceiling and cut spending. and grow i at least 1% a year going forward. we have a plan, the plan is now in the hands of the negotiators. they were negotiating as we speak. i know president biden will be back on sunday. speaker mccarthy is hoping to have a framework of the week. republicans are here and we stand ready to get this bill rolled on and not to fall on our nations debt. host: what do you think what you

passed in the house, what needs to be in any group agreement? all of it? or are you ok with negotiating and only having some of those proposals in there? guest: i think we need to start with the framework. first of all, we are way over our credit limit. we're spending way more than we are supposed to spend. i think the framework needs to be understood. number one, we need to pay our debts. we cannot have biden default on our nations debt. we have an obligation to pay it. number two, we have to get the spending problem under control i am hard-pressed to believe there is not one dollar of savings that we can find for the american people with our

spending so i think you need to start with that framework as it pertains to your specific question i think we put together a very reasonable common sense approach. i'm hard-pressed to really get this on anything without getting something more in return. that's where i think we stand getting the covid dollars back, we are talking about putting caps on spending of 1% a year i think those are pretty reasonable. again, all reasonable requests. host: let's go over some of the specifics of what the republican voted on and approved in the house. raise the debt ceiling into 2024, reduce spending two fiscal years 2022, lipid future spending growth to 1% annually over the next decade recover

those covid-19 fans as he talked about. new aids. w student debt cancellation, reform energies. i want to have you respond to this piece in today's new york times written by mr. firewood. the headline is republicans want to use the debt ceiling to inflict cruelty he writes this, the demand are republicans. if their demands are not met they will refuse to raise the debt ceiling plunging the country into an unprecedented default and will most likely create a recession is not that there is some crisis or scandal gripping those federal programs republicans are making these demands it's a bit because the debt ceiling gives them the

opportunity to do so. they are going after the same group of people the party has demonized for decades. guest: my response to that is don't let the facts get in the way of a good story. it is exactly what it is, and opinion. i had a hearing in which he testified again. we give these departments money so let's, for example, say we give them 100 mike and dollars the first place the democrats want to look to cut money is the poor and underserved. i find that very hard to believe in fact i went through and i wish i would've brought the data with me i think we should make sure that we take care of our children and our poor and our disabled first. i would just prefer to take care of those people first as opposed

to spending $1.5 billion in treeplanting. that's just me as a republican so remember when we give these departments and agencies to fund its up to them to prioritize so i would say shame on the democrats for using this finger -- fear model tactic we will stop sending the children so let me give you a great example we need to tighten our about the first time the pace the microscope, and i not going to -- what i would prefer to do is let's feed our children first and we can put our wants like we will puckering the bathroom or painting a bunch of trees after we take care of feeding over children but this just me. host: we will go to calls bob is

first in amsterdam, ohio. go ahead. caller: thanks for taking my call. representative, is it true that mccarthy is going to give $30,000 raise to all the republican representatives? and also, how can you say it's not meant to be cut for everybody he won't even say what he's going to cut can you answer that for me, please? guest: i'm not aware of the $30,000 salary increase and measure with it's coming from. number two, how can we say there won't be cuts? there will be cuts when you put your cuts in place it's a matter of prioritization. again, sir i would say is like your family. if you needed to tighten your belts because you spent too much maybe you would decide not to go

out three times a week. maybe you would make some cuts there as opposed to not paying your mortgage. there's a difference between want and need and i'm hard-pressed to think that the government is so efficiently run that there is not one dollar of savings we can find? host: sam is next. go ahead. caller: i watched a hearing the other day and they said cut veterans health and not one democrat voted for that. how many democrats were on your bill? guest: i'm going to go zero. caller: that's right. so why would he would want to take it up in the senate? it wasn't voted on by any democrats because they knew it

was nothing but a scam. host: go ahead. guest: one, again, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story. there's no way we are going to cut veterans benefits. in fact, sir, we're going to put a bill on the floor that actually talks about increasing veterans benefits. and i will challenge you to see how many democrats actually put for that bill and as for the comment of a scam and why the democrats won't pick it up in the senate that's their right if they don't want to take it up in the senate they don't have to take it up but what i would ask them, we put a plane on the floor. what is the democrat plan in the senate? i think the only thing that schumer has passed in the senate is making syrup month. i think we can do a little bit better than that, wouldn't you

agree, sir? host: don in california, republican. caller: thanks for taking my call. i think you can cut money from all the new green deals that biden and the democrat party want to put in place. and also i think that giving money to the poor we really don't have a poor problem in this country we have a lazy problem in this country and that's got to be addressed. guest: we are taking a look at the green new deal and all of the energy, the money we're are spending on green energy to see that if we can spend that more efficiently there's no question on that. i believe we do need some programs to help people get a hand up, not a handout.

that's why in the bill be passed it talks about work requirements. what is the number one gift we can give a person is the ability to have a job. if you can have a job, you have a sense of pride. you can begin to provide for your family. you can begin to give to charities. you can begin to have your own business. you can begin to pay taxes which, let's not forget it's the economic system is people paying taxes that give us our social programs. need to be conscientious and cognizant to help the people who truly are in need and give them a hand up, per se, as opposed to a handout. host: talking with lisa mcclain, go ahead. caller: i wonder about the

sanctions should that be denied? they knew that if we used the debt as a political leverage [indiscernible] democracy. host: are you able to hear congresswoman? guest: i heard the question around the 14th amendment. there is a 14th amendment and i would agree with the constitution is we have a right and an obligation to pay our debt. that is exactly what the republicans are doing is we put forth the bill that will actually make sure we don't default on our debt the ball is in the democrats court and, more specifically the president's court to make sure biden does not default on the debt. host: if there is no agreement

reached between house republicans in the white house what do you think happens then? would the house not bring a clean bill to the floor? guest: we did our job we passed a bill to pay our bills and to pay our debt, to not default. so, again, i hope biden and the democrats don't to fall on the debt but you want to talk about weaponizing and using the debt as leverage? 97 days the president of the united states ignored this issue. 97 days. i don't think the republicans are the ones that are using this as a political ploy it's clearly the democrats and it's really the president who waited 97 days before he even thought about negotiating.

and the only reason the president decided to negotiate, decided to even talk about this crisis that we have is because republicans came together, negotiated within our own conference so we had to listen to all the factions of our congress those of us in heavy red districts and those who one by the districts and we negotiated. we did some give and take and came up with the reasonable, since the bill bill. host: president biden has argued that a clean debt ceiling happens it happened under previous presidents including president trump and republicans voted to approve the debt ceiling in the spending cuts that republicans have put into your proposal should happen in the gym negotiations not in debt

ceiling negotiations guest: we are not and i am not in favor when the country is oppressed like that. it's really simple your young adult or your husband or whomever if they already thinking it's a thousand dollars in month after month it's $1200 and the $1500. and has no plan to cut their spending what we you do do? we said yes, we are going to pay the debt that we incurred and that we go but we have to get our spending under control. what is the matter with tightening our fiscal belt? what is the matter with that? where the government doesn't produce anything, maybe some mineral oils but the governor does not produce one dollar so

it cannot spend one dollar of money and give one person to laufer of money that was taken from somebody else. what republicans are saying is let's get our fiscal house in order and make sure that we leave the next generation better off than this generation. every child born right now gets a bill for $94,000. i think we can do better. host: lori in youngstown, ohio. question or comment for the congresswoman? caller: i just have a comment. i like the way all politicians refer to the poor people as those people. we are not those people. we are what makes this country operate and move smoothly.

if it wasn't for the workers and poor people this country would be nothing. in other thing, as getting everybody you know,, get your finances in check when a person is making $15,000 a month you expect the person to live on 1000 a month and then cut their food stamps. this is obscene the politicians i have no allegiance to seeking the party i was duped by democrats. host: let's have a congresswoman respond to what you said. guest: i absolutely think to cut food stamps is not necessary.

that's not on our priority list so i don't know for your getting the information that the first thing were going to do is cut food stamps. we are going to give you a budget, if agency decides that we want to cut the stems first remember the people in charge of the agencies are people that are coming up with that those aren't democrats. and i set ray here and said this on our list of priorities because i believe and i believe i stated earlier in the call that we need to give a hand up, not a handout. i'm not for cutting those programs but let me show you what i am four. i am forgiving people in opportunity and giving people a hand up, not a handout. i do believe we want to sustain these programs that help people

we have to incentivize people to go back to work able-bodied teachers to go back to work because we need the able-bodied peepers to support the programs. host: laura is net and a spokane, washington. republican. caller: hi, lisa. my comment is i see over and over again the amount of the democrats demanded and spent less time. it goes towards things like good people israel parties in the senate given by bernie and them. we are supporting ideologies that kind of cause harm against other people. and i don't like that, at all. i think it's wrong my question

is is that what, how do you do it? host: part of it is how we don't cut the programs like food stamps and cut some of those programs but what the democrats want to do, they want to scare the budgies is out of people. we are going to cut food stamps we will cut veterans, we never said that. in fact, i challenged so and showing for quite a that but i agree with you as opposed to programs that help our underprivileged but that's the republican point of view and that's my point of view. host: n, virginia, democratic caller good morning to you. caller: i have two questions.

and i know this has always been asked i just haven't gotten a clear answer. again, why is it that the debt ceiling is only brought up, it's only brought up when there's a democratic president? this was done three times when trump was in office and trump, he even got on tv last week and said i'm not in the office but what i did in the office, we should. that's not fair, this my first question. host: let's have the congresswoman respond to that. guest: the debt ceiling is brought up every time it just depends on who brings it up the republicans bring it up when it's on the forefront of it when there is a democratic president and vice versa so i would say it's always brought up it just depends on which side of the coin your own.

past clean debt ceiling brought up and it was done so under president trump but now republicans don't want to do so because president is in office. guest: i also think the issue, i wasn't there but i think it's a copout answer. i don't think president trump increased the budget as much as biden has increased the budget with the ira. we can argue he needed to do that because of covid or whatnot but that at the end of the day the issue is whether trump was in office or not we have a spending problem whether there's a republican or there's a democrat, we have a spending problem. we have got to get our economic house in order. and i think you would hear me say that and i challenge you when i'm here again hopefully

and a24 we have a republican president i hope you will remind me don't have the clean sky limit we have to get control of our control. host: did you have a second question? caller: while making cuts, everything was on the table. raising taxes on the 1%, the top 1% is not on the table but cutting snap benefits is? why is that if everything is on the table why aren't republicans talking about that? guest: cutting snap benefits isn't on the table that's what i'm trying to get everyone to understand nowhere in the limits does it say were going to cut snap benefits. that is a fear mongering tool that the democrats are using i'm

not in favor of that. now if you are asking me to raise taxes on the top 1%, i'm not in favor of raising taxes on anyone because i think right now we are collecting more revenue than we have collected it's not a revenue problem it's our money and raising taxes is inkling to solve the problem because if we spend a dollar receiving under a dollar $.30 weather isn't the issue suspending is the issue is a two-piece equation host: independent, hi, susan. caller: i have a couple of

questions. the first one, i'm interested in finding out what it is the republicans have against the democratic process? the way i understand but she works is appropriations both are introducing a house in the and voted on the president doesn't have a vote in congress he does not come to congress and negotiate about what should be in the appropriations bill trying to avoid hitting the debt ceiling seems to be one the spending is approved you know him in advance if you're going to hit the debt ceiling. what you think that, you know, i mean -- no fun host: we are running out of time so all have

the congresswoman respond. guest: we do know them were going to hit but roughly no one knows the exact date but your spot on we do know when were going to hit the debt ceiling and we've been saying for a long time we need to get our fiscal house in order so i'm going to ask the question to the president why did you wait 97 days? you are spot on we do know this in advance. host: the house is about the gavel and so in a couple minute how do you see the next couple of weeks playing out here? >> i think is going to be a media frenzy i think there's going to be a bunch of disinformation and crazy things and rumors and speculation but what i think is going to happen as i think the negotiations are

happening right now. we could argue whether it's to later not put but still with the hand that we have right now for the first time in a long time everyone is sitting at the table and much like business and never been -- i have been in business for 35 plus years. i've never done a deal in business or a relationship whether it be with my spouse or whomever but there's 100% me and the rope you that's called no deal there's always a give-and-take and we give out 80%, we've made progress and we have a better deal think this was going to happen at least that's what i'm hopeful is going to happen over the next few days. mccarthy has stated he thinks we will have a framework by the end of the week. i don't see the speaker on that.

i think it's going to get really dicey, really messy but at the end of the day, i think we will have something i don't believe it will default and our debt i don't think that option is on the table we thank you for spending time with us this morning and talking to our viewers. appreciate you. the house is said to be gaveling in for legislative business we will bring you there live coverage on c-span. bethal baptist church, niagara falls, new york. the chaplain: let us pray. how can i say thanks for the things that you have done. the voices of one million angels cannot express our