indoctrinating. did someone force you to be straight? guest: well. thank you. greetings to every one at the diner. i want to come visit sometime. you are right. teachers have a tough job. state legislatures are dealing with this issue on the right policy issue. people do want to be left alone and live their life in they have their right to do that under the constitution of we enjoy. will you have seen come up on this issue is two issues. a transgender in sports and transgender medical procedures for young people under 18 years old. these are the topics the states are grappling with. as a tough topic. -- it is a tough topic.

people are grappling with the fairness issue around sports. and i would say the human safety element around what happens for kids under 18, even pre-puberty on how that is handled as well. it is a tough issue but it is best solved locally in our states. host: congressman french hill republican>> washington journal. >> a deep dive on the debt deal and how it will affect the pentagon and the national defense authorization for it we will be joined by a deputy editor of the your times. the issue of military spending. we saw late last week that it is almost derailed over the debt limit bill.

remind viewers of what happened and how that was sold so the deal could eventually pass the senate into law. >> the negotiation there was allowing 3% spending into a to a four. 330 six billion dollars, this is a fight if there is a test of government spending or being held flat. we cannot afford to pull back on spending, and even that 3% increase has come under fire because it doesn't keep up with inflation. it has always been an area where congress has thought to add extra money and pull back. with the debt limit deal, there is a number that was settled and going ahead into the budget information, but at the last minute, as you mentioned, there was a big fight over whether or not there'll be a defense supplemental or even more

money's put in defense that you. we will have to see how that shakes out. there is some conversation on the senate floor with signals from leader schumer who might be receptive to the idea, but he heard from house speaker saying he is not interested in a supplemental. he wants to make sure the defense spending a dollar figure is negotiated in the debt limit deal. not a settled as we thought it would be. we will see how much wiggle room there is and what that deal is. >> $886 billion as the highest amount in history. the largest in the world. coming back to supplementals, can we explain why he gets to be counted outside the normal budgeting process? >> that is all it is. we need extra money, but that will not be put into the process. there will be an extra. we have seen this for a number of different banks read covid

spending, afghanistan, the war on terror writ that was considered outside, and the logic was that if we have a target for dispensed -- defense spending, that will into all the things in there. that payraise, capitalization. what you are looking at the ceilings under the debt limit deal, the idea is like ukraine, there is a flashpoint. several billion dollars. if you put that into the defense budget, doesn't take away from the pilot training time. as a take away from other defense equipment. if you have outside, doesn't account. you can have it over here and you are doing some fun accounting, but it doesn't play into the debt. it doesn't just disappear. it is charged against. >> the system of a defense budget for ukraine. i shouldn't say out of the defense budget. it has all gone to ukraine.

has a come through supplemental some has come through, but there is 100 billion dollars sent to ukraine and that has been from the supplemental, so the concern is that if there is not another supplemental, there is not option on the table for the coming year, for the coming years, that money will cut into the defense budget. we are saying, ok. if you sent $10 billion to ukraine next year, if that comes out of the budget, does that mean we have to cut 10 billion from readiness accounts or chairman accounts or health-care accounts? whatever would be. >> the number according to kyrsten sinema and john kennedy is the op-ed in the usa today. 100 $13 billion. they are calling or inspector general to oversee this funding, harkening back to the afghanistan reconstruction for aid. we have seen a lot of spending.

can you take us back to what was referred to, and how that impacts the pentagon and how much money that was given to the pentagon when it comes to afghanistan spending, and what it would mean for ukraine? >> that story still happening. we are seeing lost money. that is money that is not accounted for or not a silly wasted, but money that was sent out to afghanistan, given to security forces. we don't know if it is something successful. we don't know if it is a project to help the community or ended up benefiting the delavan or another outside group. with the numbers we're seeing with the ukraine, we have concerns. where's this money going? can we save this equipment and is it being used by our allies rather than sitting in a warehouse somewhere or even worse, going out the door or falling into terror stands.

with that amount of money, there is a worry on capitol hill about being spent properly. are we getting bang from the buck, and will we come back later with the inspector general $50 billion and it didn't help us at all. the headline is to track ukraine aid to reduce fraud. christensen, and john kennedy are running that. the next 20 minutes, we are talking about pentagon spending and the national defense authorization act. the phone line is 202 for republicans and democrats number on the screen. what is the 101 on this year's bill? >> the very first thing will be getting that. the debt limit conversation, all

those negotiations, that will push the entire timeline back by one month. it was supposed to be started last month, and it will start to show the details next week. houston armed services will have markups going to this. the authorization bill, this is thick setting guideline for the financial priority and the military policy for the. that is what actually get the money, but the senate will start to -- the big thing that we are looking for is recruiting. that is a major issue. we will see how that is included in their i have a feeling that there will be different visions. you'll need to entice folks and there will be a conversation about the training extremism, to

talk about it will look bad, those are big issues. inflation over the last couple of years, the budget, it matches the spending level we will look to see where lawmakers will tweak that. if there will be a few more ships or planes. were training issues. there is already a sizable number and therefore the defense initiative. that is numb -- money directed to china and to counter the threat, but for republicans on the house, they want even more for that. they want more wokeness because they see china as a threat. we will get to see that over the next two weeks. just with the tweaks and what they are. >> is there a big weapon system

this year when you come on. we talked about a tensor at 35. i remember the total come back. >> i think, that is not a specific system. there is still an refi. there's is still some of that. but the big concern has been the funding level doesn't pay for enough ships going ahead. >> total number. it has maybe been appointed concern among lawmakers on capitol hill. they say that there are nine or 10 new ships on the budget. they want to see more. they want to see money. these are all ships -- speaking of lts, these are long-term bills. we are talking about 10 years down the bill are we talking a carrier? >> we're not talking about it carrier. we are talking about -- just to look at the procurement plan,

they have to start now if they want to increase the number and the feeling is the biden administration has not done enough navy ship members. >> with this topic, plenty of calls. republican in virginia. >> love c-span. longtime listener. first time caller. also, i appreciate the reporting on a military veteran. i do have some concerns. we are a long way from the founding fathers. twitch case, you've got national guard members releasing classified documents. when it comes to the national debt and i am proud of the f-35 and the combats because a fiscal conservative is very concerned about the $150 billion that has been shown to be wasted through

corporate greed. all of these major corporations that get so much funding the government, and the pentagon can even pass an audit. they failed to complete an audit, let alone passive. i question for shane is, can you help hold some of my fellow fiscal conservatives, what they say, accountable as far as the wasted money that goes to the military district. >> love to hear from the vets. have to talk about this soon. the question is how to control the waste on an abuse, and they can't pass an audit right now. as an ongoing issue and white. there are four of them right now. it is just an annual rite of the

pentagon not passing an audit. a point of frustration, but we've seen folks try to put new guard rails to all them accountable and find ways to cut this down. it doesn't seem to take. some of it is the largess of the defense budget. when you talk about 900 million dollars, it's a lot oversee. it's a lot of different pieces to watch. but there are a lot of focuses on the f-35, and is a controversial program. numerous costs but also a lot of promise. we don't see a lot of ways to cut costs and improve this, but no moves to cut back on the money. this is a recurring problem is something lawmakers like to talk a lot about, and really talk about how they can dive into the pentagon and improve leadership and ways of doing that.

we'll see. we covered every year. it is a recurring headline. >> philip in michigan. good morning. you're on. >> good morning. why don't we make the nations that are bordering ukraine to be invaded with refugees in the event of a failure, and this war, when we make those people start matching the funds that we are putting into this war. they are not coming after us. thank you so much. >> look. there has been quite a bit of contribution from european nations as well. i don't think it is a serious is the united states. the fortune of the united states, i don't think it a larger defense budget or store of equipment. it is worth noting that a lot of us have given the ukraine a bit of equipment we already have. missile systems that we have got

rid that we provide from them. that is a lost cause but not necessarily the same spending. there is also an argument in the biden administration and on capitol hill that this is a pretty wide investment. this is money that is being used to counter the russian threat that is cheaper than actually the direct account. there is no fake equipment directly at stake. this is being transferred to the ukrainians and it's important to set a line and say if ukraine falls, the potential for the spread could certainly threaten the united states on the road. there are also plenty of folks on capitol hill, and some republican members of the house who are saying maybe we are being too generous and we need to pull this back. whether or not our generation -- generosity is gone too far and if we should put some limits on this because it is a fight.

>> visual learners. this is from the council on former relations. money spent by the united states on ukraine had money sent in a form of military financially. this stretches a few months old, so the united states which is the interest so of $113. can see comparisons to various institutions specifically in the united kingdom. specifically in the netherlands,:. bordering the ukraine, you can see it being talked about and so on down the line. if yours were to check that out for themselves, this is sarah new hampshire. good morning. it seems the system is set up, designed for fraud. if i don't pay my taxes, i will get a letter from the irs right away. it seems that they are able to

audit taxpayers. why can't taxpayers audit where their tax dollars go? and, we should be investing as much money into life. our next generation into education. that is a very competitive world. we are losing ground. we are defunding public education. college education. we have people living on the street. veterans, elderly. disabled. we don't have melt -- money for that, but we are giving it away to countries like israel who are supporting saudi arabia while these countries commit genocide which most taxpayers don't believe in. has not been accounted for? this is ridiculous and astounding.

>> go ahead. >> this defense spending goes up, and the domestic spending is cap. this is one of the core fights it is a point of frustration beyond the foreign aid site. when you are looking at caps for most agencies, those that are staying in fiscal 22 levels, it is a 3% cut, and immediately, someone comes out to say that thought enough area you have to keep up with inflation, but other agencies deftly don't keep up with inflation, so as a push and pull. this is the fight at president biden and the democrats find themselves in with republicans who say we've got to protect defense spending. it is worth noting that veteran spending, which all this was in a special category will be increasing again. that is the one thing there that was not the same cuts, should agencies do not cut. they will survive to see a 6%

increase in $20 billion. the largest agency spending in all the government. ask behind the department of defense. >> this is caleb in north carolina. democrat. good morning. >> good morning. i was just wondering if there and any talk and actually raising taxes to pay for our military spending, not so much for the ukraine prices but for the global war on terror. i think we owe between two and $3 trillion and that was taken on but the average americans don't have to pay for it. >> thank you. >> in terms of taxes, from the democratic side, there is a conversation about ways to raise taxes and revenue for the government. there has been no conversation. >> this was part of the democrat

debt limit deal. if you are serious about decreasing the dead, you can't just talk about cuts. you have to talk about revenue and a lot of things that president biden has proposed in terms of taxing higher earners and more wealthy americans did this is all followed by the wayside because it is a nonstarter they won't do it. i don't see any near-term future where there is a tax specifically for the defense department or even dealing with the debt. you can't keep promising people

or money put aside in the federal government to pay for those long-term veterans costs. we saw last year massive expansion of veterans benefits under the pact act geared towards all towards of toxic exposure injuries for veterans. most specifically pit burns in afghanistan. that costs around $300 million in new health care and benefits costs over the next decade.

we launch the 2024 presidential elections. we have a real dynamic community today. host: time for a few more calls. ginger in riverside, california. independent. good morning. caller: hi. aim asking regarding the air force -- i'm asking regarding the air force one that trump was building at some point. is that included in our defense? or is that a separate entity on to itself? it is still being built. justice gorsuch: it is include -- guest: it is somewhat included in the defense department. unfortunately one of my colleagues has been the expert not me. i believe there is still some plans in the works. although president trump had some grand visions on that that were new paint schemes. since there are national security issues in there, it is included.

i don't know where everything stands at this point. we are talking about -- not to be washington speak here. we are talking about several million dollars, tens of millions of dollars, we are talking about the defense budget and the debt, we are talking about billions and tr*ls trillions -- trillions. those are the kind of things that make headlines and when you talk about cutting them can look nice as talking points but don't make a large difference when it comes >> finding -- to finding ways to balance the debt. host: your colleague has been focusing on this. a recent piece from him back in the spring, biden dropping some of the trump designs for the new air force one. military time.com. bill in erie, pennsylvania, democrat. good morning. caller: good morning. good morning, c-span. my primary