host: good morning. it is a hazy thursday. the house is adjourned for the

week, on wednesday, a day earlier than scheduled and the result of a small but powerful group of members who say they are unhappy with speaker kevin mccarthy, especially when it comes to the debt ceiling agreement he negotiated but president joe biden. this morning, we want you to oann. you support or oppose this effort by house conservatives that has shut down the floor? republicans, we want you to call us at (202) 748-8001. democrats call us at (202) 748-8000. independent line is (202) 748-8002. you can text us at (202) 748-8003.

the conversation has already begun on facebook and twitter, as well as instagram. there is a house conservative revolt against republican speaker kevin mccarthy. here is the latest from the hill , in article headlines. it says, the floor of the house was paralyzed for a second day amid an uproar. amounting to the biggest blockade. in an effort, speaker kevin mccarthy and his top deputies huddled in his office for long meetings throughout the day. a group of conservatives also met with mccarthy.

discussions did not yield any breakthroughs. they canceled that is where we stand this morning. i want to introduce a congressional reporter for the hill. she is here to give us all the latest on what is going on in the u.s. house. good morning. take you so much for joining us. can you give us some background? what exactly is this revolt about? can you describe the members who are participating in the revolt? guest: the beginning say when the house was set the on sending four bills to the floor.

it is a very procedural thing that we see happen every week. it is traditionally a party line vote. as this rule vote was playing out on the floor, a number of conservatives ended up voting against the rule, which put it in danger of not passing. those bills are not able to advance for debate and a vote by all members. this led to a scramble, a dramatic scene on the house floor. more than a dozen conservatives and others in the back of the house chamber. it looked like an aggressive effort to get conservatives to change their vote. at the end of the day, 11 conservatives voted against the rule.

a procedural move to allow the house to bring up the measure again. this is an unprecedented move and situation in the house. it was the first time since 2002 . republican leaders had hoped to bring the rule up again yesterday and move forward, but conservatives have their quorums and grapes and they would not advance. the house remained in recess for the majority of the day and at the end of day, kevin mccarthy said he was canceling votes for the rest of the week. the question is, what exactly is the problem? what is the issue? why are they stating this revolt? there seems to be residual frustrations over the last few months. conservatives have been frustrated with the deal that

kevin mccarthy, speaker of the house, cut with president biden, specifically that it lacked a number of provisions that would mean that the bill -- there seems to be frustration with how leadership dealt with andrew clyde in a bill that he wanted to bring to the floor. the question is, how do we move forward? the house is paralyzed because it is unable to advance this and act on this bill. the question is, what do conservatives want? what are they asking kevin mccarthy for? they have not put out demands and requests. host: you answered a lot of the questions that i had. we talked about how we do not believe what the conservatives want.

the house freedom caucus is much bigger than the group of 11 who voted. is there some fracturing, as far as how many members are in favor of this stalemate? guest: only 11 conservatives voted against. not all members of the freedom caucus. a republican from florida is known to not be a member of the freedom caucus. the freedom caucus has dozens of members. they are notorious for not having a official roster of their membership. we do not have the exact number. so obviously, look at the map. dozens of members of the freedom caucus and only 11 voted against the rule. members have said -- i spoke to

congressman ralph and he said a spontaneous group decided in the moment to vote against the rule on tuesday. it does not seem like it was a planned and concerted effort beforehand. that could be one reason why we did not see more join the effort. host: what is the path forward? members were sent home yesterday. what could happen between now and then? what are you expecting to unfold? guest: speaker mccarthy told reporters that conversations are continuing between him, leadership and sell these conservatives who have concerns, but the frustrating thing is,

conservatives have not actually said what they want in return for breaking the impact. they are frustrated with the bill and leadership. but they have not actually laid out specific demands. i heard from some conservatives themselves. i pressed on a number of occasions, what is that grady want from leadership to break this impact? he said, the group does not know yet. conventional wisdom means these conversations can continue. leadership can continue to hear out these concerns, but there will be a time when they lay out what they want so mccarthy can consider that request and they can negotiate. until these conservatives say what they want, he said that was the frustrating part of this conversation. host: thank you so much.

michael snell of the hill, we appreciate you this morning. we want to get to your calls. republicans at (202) 748-8001. democrats at (202) 748-8000. independent at (202) 748-8002. or you c tt us at (202) 748-8003. our question this morning i d you support or oppose this conservative revolt on the house floor? while we wait for your calls, i want to bring up some of what we have seen from these conservative lawmakers. here is matt gaetz. he is among those 11 members who voted against that rule, that vote on tuesday. he wrote on twitter yesterday,

house leadership could not hold the line and now we hold the floor. that appears to be a reference to something still in negotiation. matt writes, last week's debt ceiling deal was negotiated a high enclosed door is and shows the swamp on full display. we cited for changes to empower every member to better represent their constituents. another treat. this is from loring from colorado. she is one of those 11. voting against --she took the stand on tuesday. she wrote the american people did not allege a republican majority --they elected us to drain the swamp, hold biden

accountable and make real changes to the way things are done. that is a portion of her speech. here is another one. from arizona, another one. after mccarthy and biden debt plan, you have to wonder if speaker mccarthy has formed a new coalition with democrats and abandoned republicans. that is just some of the social media posts that we have seen from those conservative lawmakers, who have helped to implement this stalemate on the house floor this week. let's bring up speaker mccarthy himself. this is video of him speaking to reporters at the capital, last night. he is downplaying the paralysis on the house floor this week.

>> it is just a couple days. there is no deadline here. it is the same question. i'll not give up. i will listen to them and we will figure out a solution. that is what productive people do. if i want to continue to change washington for the better, i will disrupt the thinking of how things were done in the past. i'm not going to get frustrated. i know that the job is not an easy job. i like the challenge. i have a challenge. i knew it from day one. strong opinions. people understand. i listen to them and respect them all. we have to come together. >> do you have meetings scheduled for later tonight?

>> we're listening and walking through. it is not one thing. people have different issues. it gets more personal. maybe something that they are working on. what happens is there is a whole group of people who want to do something else. everybody calm down. host: let's get to some of your calls now. republicans at (202) 748-8001. democrats at (202) 748-8000. independent at (202) 748-8002. on the independent line, steve. what are your thoughts on this? caller: my family has been in

this -- i am a fourth generation. my daughters are fifth-generation. this nation has become gone this. they have left god behind. there will be no political solution. politics and religion stem from the greek words. these are man-made words and man-made concepts. they have set the laws of god behind and choose to adhere --there will be no political solutions at all. host: all right. our next caller is rob from syracuse, new york on the independent line. caller: thank you and good morning. i did not plan on calling until

i saw the tweet from the congressman that he played. i want people to remember that on the night that the bill on the debt ceiling was voted on, that the congressman did not even show up to vote. she did not show up until after the vote had been taken. then she went home and complained that she did not vote on the bill because --i will not use the word, but a bad sandwich. she never even got to the floor to vote. she tried to get there, but the vote was already over. i think that was a dereliction of her duty. host: thank you for your call. let's go now to eddie.

eddie is calling from military, massachusetts on the republican line. what are your thoughts? caller: we should balance the budget or at least try to. i rejecting it, they knew that they had a good platform. if they failed to pass it, they would have to lay off so many government agency workers. they would have to cut the pensions of agency workers. they would have to take a trillion dollars off the budget. they did get a pass, but the right wing got the message out

there. balance the budget. interest rates are going up, out of this world. they have been up 5% since biden was in office. the interest in the debt will be enormous. host: thank you. let's go to olympia, washington now. calling on the democratic line. what are your thoughts about this stalemate? caller: this stalemate going on -- these republicans in the house of representatives and the senate --they made their bed and they have to sleep in it now. congratulations, all you republicans out there who sold into donald trump and his administration, you made your bed, now sleep in it. good night. host: ok.

let's hear from cindy calling from fort lauderdale, florida. you are on. caller: good morning. i think the problem is to veto fold. you cannot say it is the highest law in the land. take your census every 10 years, report that to congress and have lazy, spoiled brats. the federal government is supposed to pay the federal government bills. it is your money and they have no right to take it away from you, period. you do not have to have --this country has been going through a lot of bad weather. you are in a de facto state of war with russia. they say, by our securities.

the insurance company is short of cash. the rates have to go up. it is skirting taxation without representation first spoiled brat idiots, who call themselves democrats and republicans and say what they actually turned out to be with the same tyrants that the constitution warned you about. stop voting brats into office, who are nothing more than tyrants, calling themselves democrats, versus republican. we do not need to spoiled brat tyrants in office, no matter what they call themselves. we need people who understand. the -- host: we got your point. we will move on to our next caller. joy is calling from chicago, illinois on the republican line. what do you think about this

conservative revolt. caller: cindy took the words out of my mouth. i am republican. we are asking americans --it is difficult to vote republican now. we are more conservative, but maybe we can redefine what a republican is and what a democrat is these days. those in office right now is exactly what she just said. i wanted to make a comment. my family has been here since 1791. i just wanted to say -- people do not want to acknowledge the tierney -- tyranny. god bless america.

i am republican and i am voting for donald trump, if he runs again. host: calling from edgewater, florida on the republican line. go ahead. caller: good morning. let's start with how you opened up your segment by saying some pretty derogative words towards what was going on at a normal function at the house of representatives. you say it like it is anarchy, but it is not. this is done several times during the clinton administration. this is very common. you need to slow down your rhetoric, calm down the country and bring down these words. you not use these negative attack words to describe other people and what is going on.

how about just describing the situation without putting the adjectives in? you are kind of showing your colors here, young lady. have a good day. host: all right. let's bring up some of the comments we are getting on facebook. the conversation continues on th republican revolt on the house floor. i am no supporter of mccarthy, but as far as the far right segment of the gop is concerned, and public negotiation with the other side, it is completely unacceptable. the other side -- unless they get everything they want and the other side submits, they want mccarthy out. another says dr. frankenstein, meet your monster. some mis-direction without traction. and as much as it is what it is, a party that does not believe in

whether it should exist or n. those are some of the comments we are receiving onacebook, where this conversation continues. what are your thoughts? caller: i think they need to grow up and stop playing these little kid games. i thought they were supposed to be for the people. host: what do you think these members should be doing? caller: i think they need to come together, have a discussion, work it out and quit playing games. if they cannot run the country the way they are supposed to, they do not need to get paid. i think they are destroying our country. host: all right. we appreciate your call in texas. on the independent line, john in

milwaukee, wisconsin. caller: good morning. conservatism, to me, is a means of giving a word or giving meaning to what is commonly called racism. i do not even use the word racism. there is only one race, the human race. clearly -- we allow ethnicity to divide us. it is much more common in white people than other people. that is what we need to work on. what is wrong with white men? the ones that are good -- instead, it is generic. let me ask another question. how did white people get to be white?

host: again, we went. but about the conservative result and how it shut down the house floor this week. if you are republican, we want you to call us. here is another common from facebook. definitely providing a look into what the problem is and why. the fact that they have shown everyone exactly who they are, you do not represent the american people when you are owned by divisiveness. here is a text message that we received from orlando, florida, writing that the house will keep complaining and blocking

everything that they can. they are dangerous. timothy on twitter says, truly astounding courage. get moving through the chambers and on through the approval phase. leading us into an election year. i want to bring up, this is one of those conservatives that supported the stalemate, the representative of arizona right, when kevin mccarthy became speaker, he broke that commitment with the debt ceiling deal. how can he govern if house republicans cannot trust him to honor his word. let's continue this conversation

by going to rochester, new york. caller: good morning. this will not be long. republican are lucky they got the house because california and new york -- let them do them. just let them do what they have to do. they will be out of their year anyways. host: we are already getting the newsletters this morning giving us the latest of what is going on. jamie dupree rights under the headline, a small band of

conservatives again blocked all the house floor business. the impact for kevin mccarthy to send lawmakers home until monday has raised uncomfortable questions about his future. i want to quote down to the portion under the headline, what did they want? frankly, the demand for the freedom caucus almost seemed impossible to achieve. republicans can pass very conservative bills to the house, but there is no way those same bills can get approved in the senate and become law. they are setting up mccarthy to fail by opposing bipartisan compromise. again, that is the latest from jamie dupree. we are going to take a quick break. coming up, discussing an

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let's start here. we know that the vote was going to be today, but it was canceled, and we will get to the reasons why, but first, let's talk about the issue at hand. why is there even going to be a vote to hold director ray in contempt of congress? >> this was a vote that was going to happen. it was over a document that had to do with the fbi and had contents from confidential hearings that provided information that alleged that president biden, when he was vice president under obama was involved in a bribery scheme with a foreign national. for about four weeks, the house oversight committee has been in

a tug-of-war to get past this particular file as a result of whistleblowers who told congress that it existed. basically, you had the oversight committee saying, we want to see this. they were finally able to file on monday. we had james comer come out with you to be of very different interpretations of what they saw and what the fbi told them. for right now, the only members of the house have been allowed to view the document are the chair and the representative, the top ranking democrat. is that correct? that will bring us up a little

bit, but i want to show some video. this is the oversight chairman. this is him on monday on the contempt charges. >> today, fbi officials confirm that the fbi generated record has not been disproven and is currently being used in an ongoing investigation. the confidential human source who provided information about then vice president biden being involved in a bribery scheme is an informant being used by the fbi for over 10 years and has been paid over six figures. these are facts. nothing can change this information. at the briefing, fbi gave reviews to hand over records to

the custody of the house oversight committee. they will now initiate contempt of congress hearings this thursday. given the severity and complexity of the allegations contained within this record, congress must investigate further. americans have lost trust in the ability to demand answers, transparency and accountability. the investigation is not dead. this is only the beginning. host: that was the chair announcing this decision to hold director ray in contempt. how is that different than how it was framed after reviewing the documents? guest: when he came out, he said this is nothing. the document that you saw and the fbi briefed us on is nothing

more than information that the fbi looked into, that was started from attorney general barr. he ended up appointing scott brady, an attorney over in western pa, and they found out there was no grounds whatsoever to initiate any sort of investigation. on top of that, there were allegations that rudy giuliani brought forth. however, you had republicans counter that, along with attorney general barr. he said, i sent the case to delaware and republicans are saying, you're talking about different investigations. there are two different cases going on here.

host: understood. we want you to start calling in for your questions for carrie. she is the reporter for the washington times. we are talking about how the oversight committee upcoming vote to hold chris wray in contempt. if you have a question for carrie or a comment about this investigation, give us a call right now. if you are a republican, the number is (202) 748-8001. democrats at (202) 748-8000. independent at (202) 748-8002. you can also send us a text message at (202) 748-8003. we want to get to your calls in just a moment, but before we do, can you give us the latest? why was today's vote postponed? guest: what happened was, last

night, the fbi said, ok. fine. we will allow members of the committee to have access to this particular file that says that that the president, when he was vice president under obama had been involved in a bribery scheme with a foreign national, related to some ukraine business deal. so, we will see how this goes, as well as members of the committee. apparently, this may have been brought on by mccarthy saying, if the fbi is giving access to every member of the committee, there is no point in having a proceeding with the panel. it was going to be a panel the, not a full floor of the. late last night, there was a

statement saying they canceled the scheduled is this meeting. they already had the text out. christopher wray, along with the rest of the fbi said fine. we will allow you to check it out. host: do we know when they will review the document? guest: that information has not been put out there. host: all right. let's take some calls. gilbert in birmingham, on the independent line. caller: i have a comment. thank you for coming to c-span. i have been waiting for this issue to come forward about the shenanigans that might be taking place with the current administration, the biden administration. every coin has two sides.

the way he has been investigating donald trump, they should investigate biden. i have a suspicion that the biden family might be the most corrupt group since richard nixon in this country. if this comes down to it, we will not have to worry about either one. guest: look, it is very normal for the oversight committee, whether it is led by republicans or democrats, especially in the last few administrations, to check out what is under the hood of the car, so to speak, of what is going on. they want to check out the moving parts. i am personally not surprised that the republicans want to see what is going on with the biden

administration right now. the democrats did the same thing with the trump administration. let's just say this is the next chapter of what we saw going on during the last administration. they want to say, hold on, we want clarification, given what happened in the committee. they want to say that democrats had their say and now we want ours. host: our next caller is on the democratic line. you are on. caller: i have a question because it is not clear to me. i wonder what is the actual

accusation, that they did not provide the documents in a timely fashion? i see that it is contempt, but what is the accusation because i do not think that i heard that. guest: a number of what chairman were doing, they were putting forth a contempt charge for the fbi director, for not providing documents. they subpoenaed this document in may and the fbi kept saying, no. we will not provide this. if we provide this to you, it could be dangerous because it could put out a confidential human sources identity. that could end up giving out names and sources, methods, etc..

the fbi has always said they accommodated the requests. but keep in mind, this is something that lawmakers on both sides of the aisle do as leverage to get document from the administration. democrats have done it. going back several administrations with benghazi. host: all right. let's go to houston, texas, calling on the independent line. caller: my question is, is the fbi agent who brought this document to the attention of

radical republicans, is this agent one of those labeled a whistleblower but was not actually given whistleblower status? is he one of those alleged to be on the payroll of the trump pack after he was suspended for not cooperating with investigations? i feel like that is an important distinction to make. i feel like it is time for journalists to do their due diligence. thank you. guest: we do not know who the whistleblower was about this particular. what we do know is that the confidential human source provided the information through this particular. the content is a very trusted, highly credible confidential

human source who goes all the way back to the obama administration. host: all right. our next caller from pennsylvania. republican line. caller: good morning. i wanted to place my concerns. congress is supposed to have an oversight rule and they get fought tooth and nail all the way. then there is the democrat side of congress who are not fully on board. it seems like corruption, the media, the democrats are not really giving a priority. they want to keep things going the way it was and things need to change. people need to realize that congress has an oversight.

guest: the oversight committee, that is their role, but cats are a minority. they are trying to slow things down. they want to make sure that those in the majority do not get what they want. that is pretty much in the traditional role. that is not surprising. republicans are pretty much doing the same thing. you have democrats and the white house and they will circle the wagons. there is a play out going into the next few months. it is not like they are going into the election.

host: let's hear from the democratic line. caller: it appears to me that republicans do not know what they want and neither do the democrats. i think what will happen is we opening cases against hillary. it would not surprise me in the least. thank you and have a good day. guest: that is pretty par for the course. how can we dig up information that will balance our political --bounce our political opponents out of the race or make our constituencies feel like they are not viable to be in the

race, whatsoever? that seems to be the strategy on both sides. host: rosemary from new jersey. caller: hello. they found nothing with trump. i watched and they have bank records. they are showing truth, but the mainstream media does nothing about it. they do not even advertise it. guest: i would expect that he will be putting that front and center. this is something that they cannot avoid.

even as much as many democrats may want to avoid many of those individuals, no matter what. this is going to happen, going into the election cycle. host: we are talking about house oversight committee about holding chris wray and content. on the republican line right now is karen. good morning. caller: i cannot believe he would compare the oversight of biotin vs family and what they

have been accused of doing, comparing that to trump. it is completely two different things. we all know that was fake news with the russian spy. we know that the democrats and the deep swamp --they are going to try to put him in jail for the classified documents, which biden has them in his home and they are not going after him for that. but he accepted millions of dollars. how can you compare that to what they have accused trump of? this is the most corrupt family. nothing is going to happen to him but i want to point out that steve bannon, a trump supporter, a mega supporter --he was

actually charged and spent time in jail. the department and the fbi is 824 justice system. they want trump out and they want to keep biotin in. guest: this is more to do with a continuation of oversight. republicans are saying, you did your thing and now we are getting our thing. that is all. republicans are putting their part of the story out there saying, now you are going to get the entire story. host: let's hear from josh on the democratic line.

caller: good morning. i'm really disappointed in the washington journal, doing this story. there is no fax that have been put out there. there is nothing tied to joe biden for any of this. they have not proven any facts. all we know is it is tied to rudy giuliani. they were the ones pushing hunter biden's laptop. his laptop was his personal stuff. when trump was in office, his family went to china. his daughter got patents in china. people are comparing this to

that. i just do not understand when there are no facts that have been proven. guest: the commerce and was a top democrat. republicans wanted to make sure that they counted that argument. they said that when rudy giuliani brought forth information, it had nothing to do with a particular document that they were trying to subpoena from the fbi. this particular document goes back to a previous fbi file that goes back to 2017. way before giuliani was even in the picture. this is something that they

wanted to make sure was known. giuliani, what he brought to the fbi was completely separate and had nothing to do as far as the human source. it goes back to the obama administration. host: next on the line is raymond, colorado independent. caller: i would like to make a comment and a question. i was not going to address the lady from alabama. doing january 6, look how many republicans refused to come and testify. hillary clinton to testify for hours. jordan did not.

i will let her do her research on donald trump. read donald trump's niece's book. i've been sitting here, listening about the debt ceiling. my question is, when the republicans gave tax breaks, they gave to the farmers $14 billion under donald trump. i would like to ask your guest, what is not subsidized? the farms are subsidized, the energy is subsidized --can you name one thing and the federal government that is not subsidized? only one thing that they do not subsidized. they guarantee people, when they go and make bad decisions. i would say cut out the

subsidies. allow people to put into social security and we will eventually stop talking about the debt ceiling. thank you very much and i will be listening to your answer. host: i know you are familiar with the debt ceiling. guest: of course it is a concern. this is a big reason why many people are absent on both sides of the aisle because they did not feel like a deal was satisfactory whatsoever. of course, the republicans -- they are pretty much holding things up right now before any vote can happen. many people in the progressive caucus are not having -- happy with the fact that the process

is a little bit more streamlined. they are going to keep the spending pretty much flatlined. it is not even being cut, as far as the pandemic levels are concerned. i'm not surprised right now. many are feeling that the only ones who benefited -- host: one more collar. mark. you are on. caller: good morning, ladies. i wanted to connect all the dots together here. we see how biden's son gets a job, ironically, with a gas company. biotin is against gas and all of a sudden, his son is on the

board of directors. now, who is the oversight where the money goes. where did our money go as in oversight to watch? it seems like he is being held hostage by ukraine to get more money. that is my comment. thank you. guest: a lot of people are wondering, helping ukraine, as far as weapons are concerned, a lot of support is going to ukraine. republicans are asking, this reform has some weird things associated with it, connecting to ukraine.

that to be troublesome even if's the dots are not connected. host: thank you for joining us again this morning. carrie pickett, washington times senior congressional reporter. we will take a quick break and up next, democratic representative haley stevens of michigan will join us to talk about the debate over federal spending, her role on the select china committee and u.s.-china relations and later, nbc news senior congressional reporter scott wong will discuss the political and legislative follow from the house vote. we will be right back.

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making her studio debut, good morning. . thank you so much for joining us. guest: thrilled to be with you. host: let's talk about the impact this week. from the democratic side, how did you experience things on the house floor on tuesday and then yesterday when there was pretty much a stalemate, there were no boats all day. guest: i'm delighted to be able to explain this to you and your viewers. what happened this week was unusual. we took what is often times a perfunctory vote, passing the rule, moving a bill to the florida goes to the rules committee and then the rule goes to the floor and we pass the bill. nine times out of 10, it is a party-line vote so i went into vote on the previous question in the rule my left early in the vote because i figured i have to get back to committee.

we had about a dozen committee votes at the end of the committee vote, the rule failed. i am a creature of the house. i like being on the floor of the house and watching what's happening but you have to get back to committee. even though i am disappointed, i missed the drama of what unfolded. what happened was that republicans joins democrats to ensure that the rule failed so we wouldn't pass the bill. host: what do you make of this? what are you hearing about this revolt that the far right lawmakers want and what are you hearing how the republican leadership is responding? give us any insight scoop. guest: with all due respect, kevin mccarthy is not my speaker. i voted for hakeem jeffries 15 times. i would love to put forward the

democratic bill and see the democrats take back control of the house floor. if republicans want to join with us and see that happen, that would be great but what really is happening is that a group of " rebels" are frustrated at their speaker because of how the debt ceiling bo took place last week, a long series of lawmaking, seven weeks straight is a lot of time to be together. tensions are kind of rising because of that. folks are not happy with how the debt ceiling boat went. they are rebelling against their speaker and they are not letting him move forward. we didn't get to vote on any laws this week. we've got a big country and i'm ready to govern and we got things to deliver. i'm working on china competitiveness, industrial policy, making sure that people get trained for the jobs today and tomorrow we have to band

together and get those things done. host: we want to get to some of those topics but i want to remind you the numbers to call so you can ask a question or share a comment with representative haley stevens, the democrat from michigan. the numbers are if you are republican, (202) 748-8001, if you are a democrat, dial (202) 748-8000 and if you are independent, call us at (202) 748-8002 you can also text us. we want to get your calls and comments and questions. one more question for you about that debt ceiling compromise, you are a member of the centrist democrat coalition and you voted for the bill. tell us why. guest: i didn't want to see as default. we have to preserve the fiscal integrity of the u.s. and the

american people, as i was reflecting on this vote, the american people had been through enough, a pandemic, three year anniversary of the murder of george floyd, rising gun violence, the number one killer of young people in this country. we have to take the temperature down and reestablish trust. what doesn't establish trust is allowing our country to default on the bills we said we were going to pay. we passed laws last year and the year prior and we have to handle her debt and deficit and i'm on board for a bipartisan solution which is what the vote was last week. host: we've got a caller now, sergio in pompano beach florida, democratic line, what is your or comment? caller: good morning. host: good morning. caller: good morning

congresswoman, guest: it's nice to hear from you. caller: thank you. i'm a 100% supporter of you guys because you guys are fighting for our country and what have you. there is a couple of things that really bother me. particularly with supreme court justice clarence thomas. this guys the biggest scumbag i have ever seen. he thinks he can just get away with taking special favors and he should be accountable and help for his behavior as well as chief justice john roberts as well. they should be removed from their posts immediately as well as speaker mccarthy. this guy is another scumbag that

should have gone away. i like hakeem jeffries because he puts things in order and he speaks the truth. what can you do to get rid of these guys? permanently, out of power. guest: we've got a big country but i think what you were talking about with the supreme court is hitting on something very important. we have to have trust we have to have rule of law. those who hold the elected and appointed positions in our government and there are three benches -- three branches of government, executive branch which is held to ethical standards. i work for barack obama and i had to do financial disclosure forms and i was 20 years old working as a member of congress, i'm i'm subject to the same. supreme court justices need to

be held to their standards as well. it almost seems like rule of law run amok. you take the legal opinion in the highest court in this land and during high and -- times of high tension, we need trust more than ever. i'm joining my colleagues and asking for reform. in terms of how we will get hakeem jeffries to become the speaker of the house is every two years, members of congress run for reelection. every house member runs for reelection. we've got to pick up five seats we want to do that. i serve on the democratic congressional campaign committee frontline co-chair program. i am a leader in that division of our caucus. we make sure that we are

reelecting our incumbent democrats, mr. jackson from north carolina and folks who are ready to come back and went to pick up another five seats. we need mr. jeffries to have the gavel. host: let's go to detroit, michigan, your home stain -- state coming the independent line. caller: good morning, c-span. i see you were on the china whatever committee and it seems kind of strange. almost like we are obsessed with china and your telegraphing that to the world. it telegraphs weakness to everyone. i see in the news that a china ship was threatening our worship which was 800 miles away. the whole thing is a joke.

representative stevens, i think you are so corporate and you have such a filthy war pig policy. you voted to keep -- keeps get -- keep troops in syria and where you want them started next. . don't even start about ukraine. guest: i am in a position as a member of the select committee on the competitiveness with china to espouse what is so important to my constituents in southeastern michigan. i represent oakland county which is the economic engine of our state, home to a robust automotive supply chain and i want to have strong industrial policy. and i want to make sure we can compete all over the world. this is why i worked in a bipartisan way to help in my first year pass the renegotiated

nafta trade agreement, the u.s. mca is what it's called. it helps american workers and shed some of the skin of the former trade agreement that was disadvantaging our small businesses and their workers. when we think about competing on a global scale, we don't want to be overly reliant on any country. this pandemic hit and our supply chains were disrupted and exposed to weakness. i helped advance the chips and science legislation and shared the science committee. -- and chaired the science committee. we are now investing in ships manufacturing in semiconductor manufacturing in the u.s. which is already paying for itself in producing jobs and it gives us less of a reliance on foreign markets.

as it pertains to ukraine, i would say we have to stand by our democratic allies. i have been battling mr. putin since i got in office. he has wrongfully detained in a brutal prison, my constituents paul whalen. he has been falsely imprisoned. that was the canary in the coal mine of the international lawlessness that mr. putin has partaken in with an illegal war in ukraine and it's killing innocent people. it's disrupting our energy sector and disrupting rule of law and disrupting people. that is why i have taken those boats and that's why am doing the votes on the china committee. let's win the future together. host: next on the line is ralph and augustine, georgia, democratic line. what is your question or comments? caller: i have a comment and

then a quick question. it seems that the republicans are trying to get in and see who will get the academy award. it's hard to see mayor dez marjorie taylor greene and jim jordan. mccarthy is supposed to be the leader and when obama was first fitted to office, he met with the other leading republicans and said they would do nothing to support this president. as soon as he becomes speaker of the house, the first thing he did was take people down to el paso. he had people go with jim jordan to new york area he went to taiwan, he took off and went to israel and promised them all sorts of things. if he wants to save us money, how is it he can start off by

doing these things? that's not saving money. they told us it would be a revenge once they took over. how can i trust my government? guest: thank you so much for paying so much attention to what is going on in the congress. that was a really detailed articulation of the actions of our speaker and since he has taken office. depending where you live, anyone tuned in today, you have a member in congress see if they hold town halls, see how they engage with their community and show up because that is the way to establish trust. i get into congress as a democrat who ran a district that voted for president trump. we went through to impeachments, we went through a pandemic and we went through some very uncertain and unique times. through it all, i continued to

hold those town halls, i continued to listen to the people of my district and that's my philosophy. listen, learn and lead in that order. i cannot tell mr. mccarthy what to do. i don't know if he's back home having a town hall and i don't know if he's telling his members to but we've got to give honesty and integrity. we do our best work together and i didn't run because i have the immediate answer to everything. i get answers because i'm knocking on doors and i'm hearing from people in my community and that's the best we can do. host: our next caller is jeremy in madison, wisconsin, independent line. caller: good morning. i wanted to welcome both of you to c-span. i initially had a question but before i go there, i'm disappointed about mr. whalen. it's unfortunate that we and the

russians are not getting along. i had a family member who performed for george bush and president putin after 911. it was a very spiritual event in the russians and the americans were getting along and had a good time. hopefully at some point, we can get back to that space. i saw that you are a member of the education committee and i saw q&a has mr. graybar on this weekend. he's talking about parking in pavement and i'm in wisconsin and you michigan. we go up north we don't have pavement at all. i was wondering if you can speak to that and if you read the book. guest: thank you. we certainly have some

commonalities between michigan and wisconsin and our manufacturing economy and the need to have a workforce that can fuel the engine of the infrastructure bill we got past. there is a lot of people going to work on that front. i have a governor in michigan, who ran on fixing the roads. we've got roadwork taking place all over michigan and we have these incredible operating engineers who work in the union tradesmen and women who are contributing to the economic progress of our state because we've got an infrastructure bill done and it was bipartisan. my understanding is your governor in wisconsin is doing the same sort of thing. we have to get men and women to work and we have to use the best materials and have good, prevailing wage provisions in place for those construction projects.

those are all things i pushed for when we were working the path a couple of years ago and i'm grateful we did. host: before we get more calls come i want to bring up some of the questions we are receiving on text and social media. guest: certainly, we're going to have an appropriation process that will take place. there is a lot of tension right now on the heels of that -- this debt ceiling boat around spending. we all know that because our part in debt and deficit has increased dramatically since the start of this century. that's where i think you will have the conversation take place. i don't think that will come up

through the ways and means committee any time this year. folks are not going to talk about military spending and you will hear the term haircuts. we're also working on her general appropriations process. going back to your first question, that is something these hardliners were giving their speaker a hard time, that's something they are pushing for, haircuts across the board on the appropriations process and we cut a deal. president biden has to sign the appropriations bill into law and we fund the government every year. the united states government ends its fiscal year on september 30 and that's when you will see tensions rise more and you had into the holiday season. are we not going to have christmas or hanukkah because what happens is they keep it in for the holidays and what you seen a couple of years prior, i

inherited from a republican supermajority under president trump, the longest government shut down in history. that's not something we want to see take place. i did see a washington reporter say we are in for a long fall because that's what they are talking about. host: another question -- guest: as someone who's worked on both sides of pennsylvania avenue, first in the obama administration and no member of congress, i have a unique understanding of how federal agencies work and how the service works as well as the appropriations process in the congress. we are squarely in the 21st century, about to hit the quarter mark and we do need efficiency, we need reform.

no one wants to be wasteful so if you ask if there is waste going on, there is been many efforts over decades to cut out wasteful spending and cut out egregious actions where people are misusing the federal dollar which goes back to the earlier question about ethics and ethical integrity in making sure we have guardrails in place. i believe we need to do a review of each federal agency every agency and say what with this look like if we were starting from square one? what with this look like if we were only get from the ground up? how would we organize this government? what would our founders say? we are still a young country we shouldn't be afraid of change. we shouldn't be afraid of re-figuring things and frankly, as a lawmaker come i want to make sure we have the best government possible for the

folks, the constituents, the taxpayers who pay for it, the best results for all. host: back to the phone lines, mike in bessemer city, north carolina, republican line. caller: good morning. i noticed you voted against the secure border act. you said you worked under the obama administration and they deported illegals under the law which should be done. i noticed the democrats, they don't want to go by title eight. the democratic party wants to bring people in and let them go with no papers to show anything. what has changed from the time you were in the obama administration to the democrats now? you say you are on the education

thing, what about the transgender people, boys and girls club or its? this is getting ridiculous. anybody out there that's got a little girl in school, they don't want little boys getting in their dressing room. i'm not talking about five or six years old, all the way to high school. it is ridiculous and i'm not the only one, republican and democrats don't want that. host: let's let representative stevens respond to your point. guest: let me answer both questions. on immigration, i strongly believe we need bipartisan common sense 21st century immigration reform. in the place i call home and across this country, we have a tight labor market. i've got small to midsize manufacturers who are starving for talent. we've got some of the lowest unemployment thanks to president biden's leadership and the actions of the congress in his

first year in office. we've got some of the lowest unemployment rates in the last 50 years across this country. it's absolutely unbelievable. the mayor of detroit said we haven't seen unemployment this low since the 1970's.this is a great day in this country but we need to make sure we have access to global talent. we are competing on the world stage. i want this technology and manufacturing here in the united states and i want access to a workforce across the country and the talent that wants to come in here. allow me to correct the viewer's point. no democrat i know once lawlessness at our borders. i am not a border state, i'm in michigan and i see the border all the time. we know it's reality, the u.s.-canada border which is a unique and celebrated border that has been marked by a lot of

peace. it's a different scenario down south. i have been to that border and i've seen what takes place from e-commerce to some of the actions that are very troubling. we do need rule of law and we saw with the repeal of title 42 which came down under trump that illegal crossings have dropped somewhere between 40 and 70%. it's been absolutely unbelievable what takes place, getting rid of a bad policy. i want to have secure borders. but i want to make sure we have a proper immigration system and plan going forward. that is why i didn't vote for that bill because i thought the rhetoric was too extreme and i didn't like that he was going to put in some practices i thought would be harmful to innocent people. as it pertains to the efforts of education and labor committee, michigan has had to mass shootings at schools.

one was at oxford high school and wanted michigan state within 14 months of each other. i have parents crying to me.i have teachers crying to me. i've students crying to me. fix the gun violence. i don't know why there is this obsession with this transgender community. some people are different. some people are trans, little kids want to play sports. i personally have not -- bring people to tears or bring them to funerals i haven't seen it stop my community for weeks because everyone's grieving. we need to come together and fix gun violence which is the number one issue impacting our schools and our students and parents. host: we will take one final caller, mark in sandusky, ohio, democratic line. caller: yes, good morning. i was just wondering back when

mccarthy was being elected, round about the third round of votes, it was official for the democrats to vote for mccarthy and downplay the right wing extremists. if democrats would throw their votes to mccarthy, them right wingers, the hard-core ones wouldn't of had the power they got. guest: that's an interesting perspective. i am not in the republican conference. i do know there was some talk of them asking some democrats to join. i wasn't asked to join in voting for mr. mccarthy for speaker. i think that's in part a double edged sword. this is how he got in trouble for something that took place with the debt ceiling vote.

we had to take a bipartisan series of votes to make sure america at the last hour in the last minute didn't default on its debt, spiraling the global economy into complete disarray. he is paying the price for that. i think he would've paid the price from the hardliners no matter what. we are in a lawmaking body, he legislative body. there are 430 five members of the house and 100 senators. it's a lot of people and people who are so intent on having things their way are using power in such a specific way, it can be dangerous for this country. i'm not saying you have to shelve your views. we take a lot of tough votes and work on a lot of complicated topics. think about the country as a whole. think about what it means to be in the deliberative body. think about what the generations

, over the handful of centuries we've debated and legislated and led this country through other complicated times. that's what needs to take place. the liberation, compromise and integrity. that's maybe not so much the case if you're just looking out for number one. you got to look out for the country as well. host: representative haley stevens, democrat from michigan, thank you so much for joining us this morning. we will take a quick break and when we come back, nbc news senior congressional reporter scott wong will be joining us to discuss the political and legislative fallout from the house freedom caucus vote. ♪

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continues. host: welcome back. we are joined by scott wong the senior congressional reporter for nbc news, good morning. guest: good morning to you. host: let's talk about that stalemate on the house floor this week. how has it impacted the house ability to conduct business? guest: the house is not conducting any business at all. the house is in a stalemate as you discussed on this program already. there were 11 conservative lawmakers, most of the members of the freedom caucus including as well as matt gaetz the congressman from florida. these are all conservative rabble-rousers, individuals who have been at odds with mccarthy, many of them opposed him for speaker. leadership in this case was blindsided when 11 of these

individuals joined hands with democrats and blocked a procedural vote, a vote on a rule on the floor that took everybody by surprise including myself and many other long time congressional watchers and reporters. this is what happened since 2002. it was more than 20 years ago that a rule had not been taken down on the floor. they blocked these four pieces of gop legislation from advancing forward. it froze the house floor. we have been in a stalemate for the past two days now. nothing has moved and kevin mccarthy is try to negotiate and tried to break an impasse with these conservative rebels. it's a very peculiar situation. republicans are in the majority

but it is members of that majority, just a handful, that have ground the house of representatives to a halt. host: can you tell us a little more about the house freedom caucus members but matt gaetz is not technically a member. who are they, what do they represent and what do they want? where are they coming from on this? guest: the freedom caucus was created back in 2015. this would have been in the john boehner europe. the really came out of the tea party movement of 2010. some of the more prominent members who have risen to high positions in recent years include mark meadows who is one of the freedom cork -- freedom caucus founders. he is significant because he eventually was first well known

because he brought a motion to vacate of trying to force a vote to remove then speaker john boehner. that vote never happened but eventually, john boehner was facing in norma's pressure and was forced to resign and meadows went on to become the chief of staff for then president. there are number of other significant figures from the freedom caucus who rose to high positions like jim jordan who is now the judiciary chairman, mick mulvaney who served as chief of staff for president trump. these are folks on the far right who were constantly creating headaches for their leadership. this new iteration is continuing to cause headaches for now speaker kevin mccarthy. the freedom caucus back in 2015 when john boehner resigned, kevin mccarthy stepped up to run

for speaker of the house. the freedom caucus were the ones who blocked him at that time from becoming speaker, paving the way for speaker paul ryan. the leadership and the freedom caucus have been at its at each other's throats for years and years and is just the latest iteration of this long-standing conflict between these two groups. host: we are talking this morning with nbc news senior congressional reporter scott wong. you can start calling in now with your questions or comments about this congressional revolt. republicans, your line is (202) 748-8001, democrats, (202) 748-8000, independents (202) 748-8002. you can also send us a text

message. we want to get your calls but while we wait, what do we know what these members behind the stalemate, there are 11 right now, what do they want and what have they been asking for as they met with those republican leaders over the last couple of days? guest: we know what they are upset about. they are upset about the fact that they believe there was some kind of arrangement or deal with kevin mccarthy back when he was negotiating the speakers gavel. remember the 15 rounds of voting were kevin mccarthy could not win the race for speaker. they say he had promised them that spending caps would be reduced to fiscal year 2022 levels.

that was not with the spending caps look like in this latest debt deal with president biden. they did not cut spending that low. they are upset about what they perceive as the breach of a contract with kevin mccarthy. kevin mccarthy said that was aspirational and that was the goal and that's what we were trying to do but i never said it in stone we were going to get there. separately, they are upset with what they perceived to be retaliation against one of their own members. the representative from georgia had a bill that he's been trying to get a vote on on the floor, a bill for protecting rights for weapons. he believes because he voted against a rule on the debt

ceiling that he was facing retaliation in the leadership was trying to lock his bill from coming to the floor. leadership says we worked it out in a vote is scheduled on the bill for next tuesday. that issue seems to be resolved and some members are still bringing up the issue as wide they are holding up the floor. this all goes back to spending. what these guys want is for the reductions to spending. the challenge is that we already have a deal between mccarthy and biden in this debt deal that establishes spending levels for the next couple of years. it's really hard to reopen those negotiations. furthermore, mccarthy talked to reporters last night after a long series of meetings and said it's not entirely clear what the

specific wants are from the members of the freedom caucus. it's very nebulous that's part of the problem why they were unable to come to a resolution last night. host: before we go to calls, the news this morning has an interview with steve scalise, republican leader, the second in command to kevin mccarthy. they aren't necessarily close buddies. in possible news this morning, it says we asked scalise if mccarthy had broken any promises to conservatives. his reply provides insight into the current state of the house gop leadership. short answer -- it is not good. here is house police responded. i don't know what the promises

were, i wasn't part of that soy still don't know what those agreements were. whatever they are, conservatives feel the agreements were broken. that has to get resolved and hopefully it does. it doesn't seem -- it seems like there is a rift growing. tell us about the history between scully's and mccarthy. guest: mccarthy, it was always tenuous that mccarthy was going to get to the speakership especially after 2015 when he dropped out of the speakers race and was wounded by the freedom caucus. there was always a big question hanging over mccarthy's head if he could get there. steve scalise was the number two official behind mccarthy all these years, he was seen as a possible alternative to kevin mccarthy.

there had been a rivalry that developed between these two men. they are part of the same gop leadership team and they have to work together on legislation and have to bring bills to the floor and round of votes. both men served as the gop whip so they know that part of the operation. there is a long history between these two individuals. they had made their peace after kevin mccarthy boasted the speakership early this year but the rivalry still seems to be there. because we are in the situation were nothing is moving on the house floor, there is a lot of finger-pointing it seems between these two camps. i think that's a little bit of what we are seeing.if you read between the lines of the comments that mccarthy has made and steve scalise has made, there is a little bit of blame game happening in this current

impasse on the house floor. host: let's get to some calls, sarasota, florida, nick on the independent line. caller: good morning. i have a few quick comments. the freedom caucus is doing exactly what should be doing, trying to fight for taxpayers. biggest problem you have there now is democrats want to endlessly spend. don't care about taxpayers or the debt. they talk big but it's all just spend what they want to. when there is resistance to that, then they get called extreme and crazy. there is nothing extreme about $32 trillion needing to be reduced. these people are trying to fight for it. mccarthy's problem is is he wants to be to accommodating but the democrats still have all this other stuff to spend on.

here is a couple effects it never gets spoken about. united states is taking in more revenue now than it ever has because of the trump tax cut and they want to get rid of them. those are the ones that are bringing in the income. host: let's let scott respond. guest: kevin mccarthy yesterday said he feels a little like goldilocks was his comparison. he feels like he's being pushed from all sides, from the right, from the left. mccarthy's challenges always that he needed to try to accommodate the conservatives in his party as much as possible while also getting a product through the democratic-controlled senate. that something the president of the united states, the leader of the democratic party would sign into law. that was always the needle he was trying to thread. to his credit, he successfully

did do that in this latest debt deal. however, the conservatives, members of the freedom caucus, would not let him take that full victory lap. they will not let him bask in the glory too long and i think that's part of what you saw on the floor this week with the taking down of the rule and essentially freezing the house of representatives in place. host: let's go to nebraska, tom on the republican line. caller: good morning. i have one question for you. it's got to do with mccarthy going over a lot of the people holding this up in the freedom caucus. they are from the trump europe. do you think mccarthy will go over to trump and asking for help? guest: i don't know the answer to that question. i know that mccarthy and trump frequently do speak to each

other. currently talks about when he talked to him last and he said i spoke to him just the other day. there is a line of communication open between president trump remains to this day the front runner of the republican presidential race. there has been a good relationship there. trump obviously had spoken out against this biden-mccarthy deal. for years and years, trump has been a key ally for kevin mccarthy and vice a versa. kevin mccarthy has been a defender of president trump and even as recently as last night, was still defending president trump against some of the investigations, the potential indictments that may be coming down the pipeline from special counsel jack smith. kevin mccarthy is still defending president trump to

reporters in the capital. host: caller is patrick from naples, florida, democratic line. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. the gentleman earlier new a little history of how they met the day that obama was inaugurated and tried to figure out how they can stop them from doing anything. this freedom caucus, the tea party originally, their goal was to bankrupt our country so they could make it new. when they elected trump, they got the best guide to bankrupt the country because he's known for that. as far as the debt limit, that would do it. we need to look back and see who voted for what and see how many of them voted against raising the and see how many have voted for vladimir putin. that's his buddy.

all right, thank you for taking my call. host: any reaction? guest: no reaction to that. host: we will move on to her next caller, stephen florida, independent line. caller: good morning. i have a comment. this entire congress, they are elected to do a job, they need to come together and do the job. they will test if they are not going to do the job, we need to vote them out all of them. this back-and-forth doesn't make any sense. if you are working for the people, do your job. host: ok let's watch our language. this caller represents perhaps frustration. are you hearing that americans are watching congress and the house meltdown this week? could there be in impact for members back home? guest: the argument from kevin

mccarthy and his allies is that these conservatives are blocking conservative legislation. two of the bills that would have been considered this week and would have gotten about yesterday and today have to do with a big conservative priority you heard a lot about -- protecting and saving gas stoves. there are regulations being discussed on the local level in the state level and the federal level about harm from a mission from gas toes and the impact to the environment from gas stoves. republicans are saying we love our gas stoves and we want to protect them from any sort of regulation. those are two of the bills that would have been passed. they are largely messaging

bills. they would not have gone anywhere in the democratic-controlled senate. there would not have been a practical impact but these were important bills to the republican party, the conservative base and their argument from leadership is matt gaetz and company is preventing these conservative priorities from advancing on the house floor. host: let's go to jacksonville, florida, bill on the democratic line. caller: good morning. it seems are the longest time, we had a speaker of the house for massachusetts go down to texas and then back up to massachusetts and back again. tip o'neill was the last democrat. it seems recently both of our speakers have been from the state of california.

formerly, these fellows seem to have a certain statesmanship that is somewhat lacking. thank you. guest: what i would say to that observation and the speaker is correct, the last two speakers of the house have come from my native state of california. i hail from the san francisco bay area. i know nancy pelosi's district well in san francisco. the speakership, a lot of the leadership folks including speakers of the house have to be prolific fundraisers. i think that's why you see certainly nancy pelosi was perhaps the democratic party's greatest fundraiser. she raised not only from her state of california but also traveled the entire united states. hakeem jeffries, the democratic leader currently in the house hails from new york and has ties

to wall street and new york city. he is also a prolific fundraiser. for a lot of these positions, people are rewarded with these plum positions in leadership because of their fundraising prowess. they do need to raise tons of money in this modern day of politics in order to help their parties when elections. i think that is why you see these leaders in both parties hail from the coast. paul ryan was from wisconsin and john boehner was from ohio. a lot of these leaders help from states where they can raise a lot of money. host: just as a reminder, we are taking your calls about these hard right conservatives who

have created a stalemate on the house floor. if you are a republican, call us at c-span.org, democrats (202) 748-8000 and independents (202) 748-8002 let's go to the independent line from greenville, south carolina. caller: thank you for taking my call. i am just astonished at the disinformation the republican party and republicans in general try to spew. first off, the democrats are the ones who reduced the deficit and the republicans are the ones who ran it up. trump contributed a quarter of the deficit. and how did his tax cuts increase revenue to the government? that is just absurd. these particular conservatives are passing bills that have

absolutely no consequence. the republicans just pander to their base without facts and lies and its astonishing that republican voters are so uninformed. nike so much. guest: i will just point out that in the middle of the negotiations between president biden and speaker mccarthy on the debt, the white house had at one point put tax increases on the table. democrats of course of said if you want to get serious about reducing the deficit, tax increases need to be part of that conversation. kevin mccarthy and republicans said that was absolutely redline they would not cross. so that issue was dropped out of the negotiations completely. that has been a longtime

position of democrats that if you want to get serious about getting the debt situation under control, you have to put tax increases for the wealthy and corporations on the table. host: i want to bring up some of the comments we are receiving on her facebook page. he may have gotten legislation but in the process he could have got the support in the house and senate as well. now he must pay the piper. conservatives feel that kevin

mccarthy caved too soon in negotiating because the house republicans had a bill. tkpwoeup i'm not sure i understand the question. host: why did kevin mccarthy negotiate with biden instead of insisting the senate take up the house republican bill. tkpwoeup you are talking about the limit, grave, grow act. a lot of people were sur advised that republicans with their very, very fragile narrow majority were able to come together. that leadership was able to cobble together and get the 218 votes needed to pass their own legislation. if you remember, president biden very early on in this year knowing these debt negotiations would have to happen, that the debt limit would need to be raised. his position was we don't negotiate on the debt ceiling. we should raise it without any sort of g.o.p. provisions or

g.o.p. cuts. that tactic shifted and changed because kevin mccarthy and the republicans were able to cast their g.o.p. bill to raise the debt limit that also included significant spending cuts. kevin mccarthy addressed last night with reporters, he said there was always a realization that what we passed would never be able to pass the democratic-controlled senate. that there -- has to be negotiations. he complained about those negotiations didn't start in january, it was kicked down the road several months. president biden ignored mccarthy for many months. show me your budget. show me what you want to cut. when republicans produced that document and were able to pass that bill, that is when negotiations started in ernest.

that's why -- in earnest. that's why we went right up against that deadline to raise the debt limit. host: back to the phone lines. arty in south carolina, independent line, you're on. caller: the money tells you everything you need to know. the republicans that are standing up are actually trying to save the country. i believe that the great reset. all of these, a lot of these other people, i don't see any way out at this point except the tea party 11 have in mind. they broke. they should have held their ground. because it would not have been their fault. we are going to default one way or the other. follow the money. guest: the argument from

republicans especially these 11 is that we are on an unsustainable path. that the debt continues to rise every single year. it is out of control. that government spending is out of control. and that the deal that mccarthy struck with president biden was too modest. it would essentially keep flat the spending caps would keep flat spending heading into the next fiscal year. and then for fiscal year 2025 it would actually increase spending by 1%. these are not the deep, deep cuts that most house republicans wanted that were even included in the limit, save, grow act that they had passed. instead they are relatively modest cuts. kevin mccarthy is trying to

portray this as a major victory for republicans in capping spending. doesn't happen very often. so he is right in that case. most people see these spending caps and the cuts as very, very modest cuts. host: all right. our next caller on the republican line, kim is in cedar city, utah. guest: thank you. how can the -- how can you, you called me far right. i am conservative. i am patriotic. i do not follow the g.o.p. that's why i voted for trump. the g.o.p. told me to vote for jeff bush. i'm not a gullible sheep and i'm not greedy. what i see right now is -- sorry, and dark brown. have been since birth. i don't need to tell you what my nationality is. i never said that before because i don't look at the color of my skin. my family immigrated here one

generation before me and succeeded within one generation. we didn't follow any of our quote, leaders, because our quote, leaders, need to keep us following them like little minions. when i hear other quote, communities, say how they need the help of the government to succeed, they need to stop following their leaders. their leaders climbed up and out of their communities on the backs of their own and need them to stay there. what really fries me is me -- i calculated it. we are paying almost $8300 per illegal immigrant, per month. what american right now who is looking to the government for help couldn't use $8300 per person, family of four, add it up. that is money that we can't afford. when you talk about the debt and we are paying for illegals, $8300 a month, per illegal, and protecting the borders of other

countries, paying into all these other quote global clubs, that use america as their, what, their mommy we don't need to be paying all that money. all of that money is pouring out of our country towards other people. we pay our taxes. that is our money. if all these other communities of color want to help, how about they start storming the doors of their liberal political leaders, their liberal political leaders are the ones who are doing this. that is who is doing this. we know how to lock our own doors. we know how to keep our cars safe. we know how to protect the ukrainian border. but we won't protect our own. host: i'm going to stoup right there. got your point. let scott respond. guest: there was a lot there from immigration to i think federal assistance. host: ukraine.

guest: i would just say that the mccarthy-biden deal did enhance work requirements for some federal assistance programs, including food stamps, tanf is another program. it would raise the age of -- for certain people to have to do work requirements in order to receive some of that federal assistance. kevin mccarthy and many republicans are touting that as a win. although members of the freedom caucus wanted those work requirements to go much, much further. that's what i would say on that point. host: i want to ask you, one of the points that the last caller just raised was about it seemed like she was equating immigration, particularly undocumented immigration, and the spending on things like the war in ukraine as contributing

to the national debt. that's something we hear from conservatives. can you talk about how spending on the war in ukraine, how immigration has factored into these conversations about government spending? tkpwoeup actually, the -- guest: actually the war in ukraine was a big subject of conversation on the hill this week. as you know, we were both up there. mitch mcconnell has been unhappy with some of the caps on military spending. there is a discussion as part of that biden d.c. mccarthy deal -- biden-mccarthy deal, mcmcconnell, the republican leader in the senate, was asked this week whether he believes a forthcoming biden request for a supplemental spending package to support the war in ukraine, something that pentagon

officials and administration officials believe will be needed at some point later this summer, mcconnell said he absolutely supports that. when kevin mccarthy was asked the same question, he said, why do we need a supplemental? we just imposed these spending caps. he is reflecting the sentiment of many members, certainly the conservatives in the house of representatives. perhaps not the defense hawks in the house of representatives and on capitol hill, but a large segment of his g.o.p. conference. so it is interesting to see this divide between mccarthy and mcconnell. the two leaders in the house and senate on the issue of whether a shrel package will be needed to support -- supplemental package will be needed to support the war. host: and whether a supplemental package will be needed for defense spending to offset some

of those cuts in the debt ceiling bill, right? guest: yeah. host: all right. let's take another caller. robert is on the democratic line in franklin, kentucky. caller: hello. host: you are on, robert. caller: i'm calling about the debt ceiling. if steve ban none got -- bannon got $4 million back he stole. marjorie taylor greene would get the money back from covid. matt gaetz get the money back from covid. kim kardashian, trump around her waist, he gave her money for covid. think of the money we would have. we would have no problem about giving the poor people a few dollars. thank you. guest: i don't have any comments on kim kardashian. host: darell.

darell is in matthews, north carolina, independent line. caller: good morning. for your guest i'm concerned with the national debt. i have two questions for your questions. guest. does he have the same concern on the right with the left with the debt? and second i hear much talk about the hard right. could your guest define what he means by hard right. does he see them in the negative and obstruction to getting things done? thank you. guest: let me lay out -- we have the sort of monikers for various factions in the republican party. certainly for the house republican conference because think about it, it's 222 members.

so they have found ways to sort of cluster together, to group together in order to exert influence within that g.o.p. conference. certainly the house freedom caucus, which is much, much more conservative. the most conservative members of the g.o.p. conference have figured out if we band together we can be much, much more powerful than if we are 30 individual voices. oftentimes they will take a position. they will vote as a block. able to influence what the larger g.o.p. conference is able to do. similarly there are moderates in the conference, and many of those members are part of the bipartisan problem solvers caucus. there is another group called the republican main street group that is more -- they are friendly to main street. they are business friendly. they are much more pragmatic.

so you have these various factions within the g.o.p. conference. when we talk about moderate or hard right or super conservative we are just trying to figure out a way to differentiate these groups and explain to the readers where they fall on the spectrum of moderate to conservative. host: all right. on the line from maryland, deborah, democratic line. caller: hello. thanks for taking my call. i have a bone to pick with your commentator there, he said that biden was taking aback when the republicans produced a budget. they never produced a budget. that was a ransom note not a budget. they still have to come up with a budget. i think people are probably going to be shocked when they do, or they probably won't be able to the way things are going

right now. they were not specific about what they were going to cut. they have caps. and i think that they are going to have to come up with line items and be specific about what these cuts mean to the average person. when they do i predict people are not going like it. the reason they needed this ransom note is because they cannot get this stuff through the normal negotiation process because it's unpopular. they are threatening to cut off public broadcasting. i just would like him to please correct that. they did not produce a budget. they produced demands. that's going to get all of them. nobody ever gets all of them. host: we know that they have produced their version of what they felt should be in the debt ceiling bills. but you're right that it was --

included cuts that would never pass the senate. you said that earlier. we have been talking all morning about how do you govern when you have the need for compromise, because democrats control the senate and the white house, but you've got these -- what do we call them conservative far right, hard right who are saying the minute you start compromising we are ready to shut it down. and you wrote an article talking about all the things that congress needs to accomplish through the end of the year. can you talk about that? what is the path forward? guest: let me clarify one point that the caller made. i hope i didn't say they passed a budget. what i meant was they passed a bill that did, in fact, raise the debt ceiling. so in the middle of these negotiations there was a p.r.

battle happening between the white house and kevin mccarthy. kevin mccarthy's talking point was republicans have passed a bill that raises the debt ceiling. it was successful. and yes, it involves spending cuts. yes, it involves some g.o.p. priorities and provisions. we are the ones who have acted to raise the debt ceiling. that was an effective talking point, effective political argument against the white house as these negotiations were happening behind closed doors. to your other question, there is not a whole lot that actually needs to happen this year. the must-pass bill is the bill that -- is a spending package that needs to pass the congress at the end of the fiscal year, september 30, in order to prevent or avert another government shut down.

this is going to be the next target on capitol hill. the appropriators have now been tasked to pass 12 of their -- all 12 of their appropriation bills. they want to do it clearly by the end of the fiscal year, but that seems very, very ambitious. what appropriators are saying we are going to try to do it by the end of the year because january 1, when january 1 kicks in, a provision of this debt ceiling deal between mccarthy and biden said if all 12 bills, proeplgs bills, are not passed -- appropriation bills are not passed by january 1, there is a provision that will enact automatic spending cuts of 1% across the board for discretionary spending. none of the appropriators want those spending cuts. so there is an incentive for these appropriators to get moving and to work together in a

bipartisan way to pass these 12 appropriation bills. not only to avert a shut down but to also avert the potential spending cuts that could come automatically by january 1. host: one more caller. we'll go to akron, ohio, james on the independent line. caller: yes. i have one question that i want to ask. explanation first. i'm 75. and i have been paying attention to the budget for quite some time, but the last 20 years i have been really watching it since the clinton so-called balanced budget. what i'm seeing, i hear the democrats saying in order to get a balanced budget and pay for things we have to increase taxes. and then i hear the republicans say, well, we need to give tax

breaks to the wealthy because they will invest more and we will generate more revenue. i have been watching -- every investment from major corporations in the last 20 years have went along with a tax break and investment from the government so that virtually they have been getting it free and paying no taxes for it. i'm trying to find out how is it happening that we are supposed to be giving a tax break to the wealthy and creating revenue, and i can't see that in light at all. this has been a talking point for several years. i have been watching for 20-plus years and i haven't saw t i wish you could explain to me how that's possible. thank you. guest: i think the caller very clearly laid out the sort of two visions for america in terms of

financial aspects for this country. so these things are litigated every two years because we have elections. yes, democrats have called for additional tax increases for the wealthy. people make making over a -- making over a certain amount, $400,000 a year, or corporations. republicans see the path to fiscal responsibility through cutting spending and through boosting the economy. they see tax increases as a nonstarter. so we are going to hear a lot more about these two visions for the country. these are pretty traditional visions for the country that we hear every election cycle. and now that we are heading into this brand new presidential

election cycle, i think we'll hear a lot more of it. host: we'll leave it there. scott wopbg, nbc news, thanks for joining us. we are going to take quick break when we return it will be open forum. you can start calling in now. republicans, 202-748-8001. democrats, 202-748-8000. independents, 202-748-8002. >> friday, 8 p.m. eastern, c-span brings you afterwards from book tv. a program where nonfiction authors are interviewed by journalists, legislators, and others on books this week former trump administration interior second david pweurpb hart contests the

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comments about the news of the day. republicans, your line is 202-748-8001. democrats, 202-748-8000. independents, 202-748-8002. before we get to your calls, we want to go over some of the news of the day. just breaking is that controversial television etkpwapblalist pat robertson has died at age 93. this is an article about him in -- just posted in the houghyton -- houghyton -- huffington post. pat robertson, a 307 pew hrar teleadvantagelist and christian broadcasting network died thursday at age 93. he was a prominent figure in conservative christian political and entertainment circles.

for years promoted sex as homophobic and slamo phobic on his tv and show the 700 club. his death was announced by the broadcasting network. no cause was given. a former southern baptist minister. he founded cbn in 1960 as the first television network dedicated to christian broadcasting in the u.s. also breaking, this week, just yesterday, former vice president mike pence launched his presidential bid. he did it with a denuns kwraugs of trump over january 6 insurrection. and also abortion. we should also note that north dakota governor burgum announced his bid for president yesterday. and finally i want to mention

that you might see outside of the window it's a hazy day in washington. that's because of ongoing wildfires that are coming -- bringing smoke from canada. that's affecting the air quality throughout the eastern corridor, even down -- even further south. here's a satellite image of -- this is "the washington post" that shows the smoke cover. this is the outline of new york here. and that's the bigger cover kind of covering new england basically. then you see the haze even further down into western new york, northern new jersey, and even pennsylvania. we want to get to your comments, your calls, open forum.

let's start with heidi in brooklyn, new york. democratic line. you're on. caller: hello. thank you for having me on this morning. i would like to comment about the supreme court moving to the extreme right and following the letters of the constitution which was written in the 18th century. i believe that they are deciding against society with their elimination of abortion rights and their declaration of gun rights for individuals. i think that this is hurting our stoeupblg -- society. and these people were put in by the republicans. to move this country to the extreme right. again what the public would like. host: thanks for that call, heidi. let's go to richard in lynchburg, virginia, republican

line. caller: good morning. hope you have a great day. i want to make two quick comments. one reason the budget is bad because we paying more people not to work than we did if they worked. and i'm old man. i think abortion is wrong. host: all right. let's go to the independent line. calling from san antonio, texas. are you with us? caller: yes. good morning. host: go ahead. caller: ok. thanks for taking my call.

host: go ahead. caller: yes. good morning. first of all. ok. my question is, ma'am, all this debt for the students, i just want to know -- 1500 bucks. my question is, social security, i don't get a lot of -- i'm living in poverty. i'm homeless. i live in my car. how i can get to somebody -- host: all right. let's go to fairfield, connecticut now. jessica on the democratic line. caller: hello. happy to be with you.

never have before. just some comments. the bills in the house that they vote on, i watch many hearings, they barely ever give democrats an amendment. they pass these bills. they say they have done them. nobody ever says that they haven't gone to the senate. they haven't passed -- they only passed the house. they are misleading americans. they are gas lighting them every day. the gas stoves are not being banned. they are trying to make them more energy efficient. they are turning back regulations on water, air. they just want to turn everything back that's actually

better for the american people. as far as the i.r.s. goes, the money that went to the i.r.s. was to put in more people so it would run more efficient so we can get more tax dollars from people. nobody's targeting anybody. it's helping them work more efficient. saying that they are coming after you, nobody comes after you. and i'm really tired of all the lying about immigration. the numbers are down. it's far from perfect. but the numbers are down. but they want to impeach the secretary mayorkas. he's just trying to do his job when congress refuses on the republican side to help make policy. i actually heard a congressman

the other day in a hearing tell a panel member that it's not their job to make policy. that's a lie. host: all right. got your point this morning. we are going to move to bill. bill is calling on the republican line from hendersonville, tennessee. caller: yes. thank you very much for taking my call. i haven't watched c-span in a long time and i turned it back on and see it's just like it was. you take one republican for about five democrats and independents. and i have heard more lies this morning. the supreme court is supposed to use the constitution as their guide. that's not right wing. you called pat robertson controversial. why do you call him controversial? forget about the answer. you say democratic line. it's not the democrat line. it's the democrat line.

host: all right. bill. our next caller is delane in decatur, georgia. democratic line. caller: good morning. i'm old colored fellow from arkansas. i come from the hypothesis that once ignored by the mass media where the white people come from and all this hate. i figure it's the environment. everybody come out of africa. and the people -- [indiscernible] it's intergenerational fear. intergenerational trauma they

have a fearness in the middle ages. that's where all this hate and fear is coming from. thank you, ma'am. host: ok. go to the republican line again, mike in new york. caller: good morning. host: good morning. what's your comment? caller: two comments. number one is about infighting the republican party, the freedom caucus. i'm not sure what the demands are. at the end of the game they win and the american people win because they make the congress more effective and more for the people and not the politicians. number two, regarding their presidential primary. i think rick scott are running to have a chance to be picked as vice president. apply to minorities or african-american.

i think desantis is running because he wants to be a viable candidate in 2028. and trump is running to make america great again, again. host: all right. mike, speaking of those candidates for the republican nomination for president, just yesterday in iowa former vice president mike pence launched his 2024 campaign with a denunciation of president trump has unfit to lead the country in the aftermath of january 6. >> i'll always be grateful for what president trump did for this country. i have often prayed for him over the past few years. and i pray for him again today. i had hoped he would come around and see that he had been misled about my role that day.

but that was not to be. so let me say i stand before you today as a candidate for president to say to the republican party, the republican party must be the party of the constitution of the united states. [applause] we have had enough of the democrats and the radical left repeatedly trampling on our constitution, threatening to pack the court, to dismantle the god-given rights enshrined there. we must stand on the constitution to protect the god-given right to life. we must stand on the constitution to protect the right to keep and bear arms. we must stand for the constitution to protect the right to live, to work, to worship according to the dictates of our faith and conscience.

the american people must know that leaders in the republican party will keep our oath to support and defend the constitution, even when it's not in our political interest to do so. [applause] one last word, it's what brings us here today. i believe that anyone who puts themselves over the constitution should never be president of the united states. and anyone who asks someone else to put them over the constitution should never be president of the united states again. host: that was former vice president mike pence. a portion of his campaign launch yesterday in iowa. we are going to get back to the phone lines now. we are in open forum.

republicans, 202-748-8001. democrats, 202-748-8000. and independents, 202-748-8002. our next caller is johnny in port orange, florida, on the democratic line. caller: good morning. i'm just calling to -- republicans just like pence said. there are good things that trump did. there are no good things. he said some things. he's been convicted of sexual assault. he's still running for president. they don't care. and the black people, we need to come together. do something that's real -- that would be for the black people. that's being honest. they are not planning on giving

us reparation. they don't give anybody anything, especially black people. thank you. host: let's go to the republican line, back to republican line. cornelius in alexander, louisiana -- alexandria, louisiana. caller: good morning, c-span. god bless you. i'm glad you came to me, ma'am. i haven't been african-american. i haven't been republican. i did fight in the core -- i happen to be african-american. i happen to be republican. i did fight in the korean war. so president trump wrote a letter to my dad two months before he died of covid-19 in december of 2020. so president trump in the race he's this and that. and one more thing i want to say. i hope people watch news nation. i was military police officer. i had top secret clearance. on sunday there is going to be air force veteran that will come to the truth about these aliens

and stuff which i believe they are fallen angels. they are not aliens. and the spacecraft that we retrieved and we covered, crafts recovered. people, please watch news nation, 8 p.m. central time. learn about what's really happening. thank you, c-span, god bless you. have a blessed day, you hear. host: on the democratic line, martha is calling from hampstead, north carolina. caller: hi, good morning. host: good morning. caller: i'm calling about the young lady that was talking about the 1023. news from a conservative paper so i think he probably should have someone from the liberal side. i wish you had the two together like you do sometimes.

and they keep talking about that confidential informant and how credible he is. and i'm sure that that is probably accurate. however, they don't tell you that he is not reporting for himself, he is reporting for what someone else has told him. it's really just hearsay. i wish we really could get the straight story on that. thank you so much for letting me express my opinion. have a nice day. host: all right, martha. coming up later on c-span there are two hearings that will be on at 10 a.m. a senate hearing on mental health in young americans with u.s. surgeon general dr. murphy

testifying -- murthy. you can watch that live with the senate health committee at 10 a.m. eastern on c-span. watch it on our mobile video app, c-span now. er or c-span.org. also at 10 a.m. a hearing on the federal response to escalating wildfires here in the u.s. agriculture and interior department official also testify before the senate energy and natural resources committee. that will be live at 10 a.m. on c-span3. c-span now as well. and again online at c-span.org. so you can stay tuned to those upcoming hearings. we have more time for open forum. as a reminder, republicans, your line is 202-748-8001. democrats, 202-748-8000.

independents, 202-748-8002. let's go to the republican line again. rose in apex, north carolina. caller: good morning. it is amazing to me that no news stations will take even five minutes to discuss the pandora papers. and the obvious evidence of money laundering by drug traffickers and child sex traffickers using our very own u.s. banks and the i.r.s. if we continue to pay taxes, we are including in these crimes -- colluding in these crimes andp even more disgusting when you realize both sides of the aisle know the c.i.a. and the f.b.i. are aiding them and keeping mute. getting rich from blood money. all are lying. and say they can't talk about this. it's a national security risk. when it's really their own necks

on the line. finally to that woman in connecticut, i don't take advice from those in connecticut here's the reason why. you got paid by eric holder to hold a fema exercise and you faked the deaths of children to start a gun takeover. have a good day. host: left's go to astoria, new york, sinclair is calling on the democratic line. caller: thank you so much for taking my call. i just want to say something about the politics of the united states of america. realize that we are in a war right now. not all republicans are racist. but all the races are republicans. all of them? that's what i'm talking about. that's what we have to fight against. there is a war and a side which you have to be on. republicans, stand up. none of them stood up to impeach

donald trump. you saw his ugly side and what he's done to this country. be reasonable. thank you. host: all right. next up we have ed. ed is in silver spring, maryland on the independent line. caller: good morning. host: good morning. go ahead. caller: i had a comment. i want -- i want us to remember all these politicians, anybody working in government agency, they all work for us. if we want to get solutions we have to prevent -- we need to talk to each other as people and not as members of a certain political party. come together as americans not as republicans or democrats. independents. that's the only way to get anything done.

these corporations and lobbyists, they win every time we break up into our subgroups. host: all right, ed. appreciate that call. we are going to move on to leo, calling from woodstock, illinois, on the republican line. caller: hi. abortion, women do not have abortions. if they did, you wouldn't be here. number two, your previous guest from michigan, i'm their neighbor from across the lake. they are spewing -- you have guests on this program who spew manufacturing, manufacturing, manufacturing. i'd like to direct this question at your guests posthumously, what are the three -- talk electronics manufacturing. define what the three leaves are on a transis tore and i'll give you the answer after i have another comment. and also in metal manufacturing,

how do you tell the difference if i hand you a piece of steel and piece of stainless steel, how do you know the difference? ok. the answers are, the leads on a transis tore are the base, emitter, and the collector. if i hand you a piece of stainless and regular steel to tell the difference you take a magnet. steel is magnetic. stainless steal is not -- steel is not. you have these people on here -- by the way, to run one manufacturing plant, the electricity and the draw on the power grid, they are all blowing smoke. manufacturing will never come back. they keep coming on this program and you let them and you don't question them about their disinformation, really. that's the buzzword. it will never come back because of the load on the grid. thank you.

host: all right. let's go to the democratic line now. john is in alabama. caller: yes. this is john. i'd like to mention is that a woman was in florida a few days ago. she was killed, she was shot through the door as she went to a neighbor's home. i'm not going to go over the story or circumstances why she was there. but then you got the george floyd, everybody saw on television. one of the most -- george floyd i seen it. it was very disturbing. but one of the most disturbing killings of a black person that i have seen was a young woman named natasha mckenna.

you can pull it up on youtube. it happened in 2015. there were six police officers. they brought this 35-year-old black woman out of a jail cell and handcuff -- in handcuffs and leg irons and continued for 40-something minutes to taze her, held her on her stomach where she couldn't breath until they finally killed this woman. this is what i like all of your callers to pull up and look at this video is so horrifying. they won't show it on television. they showed the george flood. this is worse than that. this is a young-black african-american woman. host: all right. let's go to astoria, new york, dennis is on the republican line.

caller: good morning. how are you doing today? host: well. what's your comment for us this morning. caller: yeah. there are a couple of things that i think that are issues that -- i see polling, 80%, 90% of people in america, across the board, they want social safety nets to be increased. we want to have better gun laws. i'm a gun owner. all the guys that i hunt with and shoot with, we all want -- we all think there should be more strict gun laws. yet all we get from washington is both sides, it's a 50-50 issue. that's just not the case. there are so many issues. abortion, so many things that almost all of us are in agreement on. we need to hold these politicians accountable. the other thing is, i feel like fox news might be gas lighting me. i -- first it was ms-13.

then it was some caravan was coming to get us. now it's gas stoves. i'm starting to feel like they probably just trying to scare us. i don't feel too right about that. my friend asked you to call and i wanted to wish you all good morning. host: all right. appreciate your call. let's go to betty. betty is on the democratic line from tennessee. dekker, turn down your tv a little bit. and go ahead with your comment. caller: my comment is one of the people that called in this morning. they say the democrats and all of them so much money they are being taken care of. we lived here, raised here, even born here.

but yet we are put down. some of us ladies, i know, we don't -- we draw social security. we couldn't live if we didn't have family, friends. i could not live by myself. i would like to know why social security is so little to some and higher for others. thank you. host: all right, betty. we'll go to the republican line now, david in lakeland, florida. caller: thank you for taking my call. i would like to mention first, i'd like to talk about abortion because this is my main issue.

and i think if you could picture just if you are taking a pill from week one, you go to week 15, and go all the way to the 36 weeks i just want to you picture the baby inside the womb. and what happens when an abortion bill -- pill is taken. initially say it might have a little bit hurting when you get up around the six, eight weeks. as you go further down it gets chunky. and just think about a full term baby being vacuumed out of the womb. if this isn't murder, what is? my second issue is energy.

green energy thing is a big lie. and i hope you can understand that. do a little research yourself. we import 90% of the rare earth metals. i am a metallurgist. and mining rare earth metals, rare weans rare, it -- means rare, it means you have to remove more material to make the separation. it is very destructive environmentally to do this. and yet again we are pushing the green new deal for the chip manufacturers. we don't have it here in the united states. we have one mine in california. we are going to be importing 90% for who knows when. we are just subject to everybody's -- our national security is gone. host: all right.

david, got your point. we are going to move on to another caller now, william is in jackson, mississippi, independent line. caller: thank you for taking my call. it's good to wake up to see such a lovely person. i want to say this. it was unfortunate that we have people in this society that want to destroy the idea of america. it's in both parties. but in my opinion in the last 50 years i seen more on the conservative side. i don't call it republicans and stuff. it's conservatives. conservatives, slavery and jim crow. conservatives is the one trying to roll back everything. you need to get away from democrat and republicans. you need -- a liberal never enslaved anyone. it's always been for freedom. i want people to keep that in mind. and keep in mind that there are people in our local, state, and

federal government that's trying to undermine and put this country under and put us into chaos. if they really want that they need to go out and commit suicide. thanks for taking my call. host: we'll go to the democratic line now. the caller from brookfield, movement. caller: -- missouri. caller: yes. i just wanted to make one statement. as far as artificial intelligence goes, they are going into something that they already have right there in washington now. that's a whole bunch of artificial intelligence going on there. instead of just using common sense. that's all i have to say on that note. host: all right, curtis. our next caller is lawrie -- lorie, in harrison, michigan, republican line.

are you with us? skype yes, i am. good morning -- caller: yes, i am. good morning. host: turn down your tv and share your thoughts with us this morning. caller: that better? host: go ahead. caller: i just wanted to say -- i have been matching the show all morning. i keep hearing liberal this, conservative this, far right, far left. at the end of the day we are all americans. and accountability is across the board. i don't care what political party you are, whether you are independent or who you are. it's accountability. we focus on issues that are relevant to the constitutional rights each and every one of us have. we focus on issues in other countries. we have people here that are homeless, hungry, suffering from

addiction. addiction that thrives because it's coming across our borders. people say we got national security is an issue. it's a huge issue. americans are dying every day off the garbage that comes across those borders. we have to stick together as americans because those who we are. doesn't matter what party you follow. we are americans. we have to protect our own country and take care of our people first. that's all i have to say today. host: all right. we'll end with charles in pinehurt-u hurst, north carolina. democratic line. caller: thank you. i just want to talk about how important it is for us to call know the -- really just to be knowledgeable and get information that's accurate. i would like to share two things i did the other day. i turned on fox the other the od

they were running a loop of joe biden running and falling and tripping. it was partisan but it was all true. but then they turned around and said that joe biden had little or nothing to do with the debt ceiling negotiation when in fact we all know that he did. then, i turned the station, i went to msn and watched joe scarborough. first thing i saw was donald trump sitting in a courtroom. very unflattering, again, but this time what they talked about was the likelihood that he might be indicted for a crime. that was true. so i just want people to know you can watch some stations and get some truth and then other stations are probably more likely to give you the whole truth. but it's important for people to

get the truth. check and make sure you're getting more than just one view of a thing. thank you. host: thank you. that will end it here. that will be it for "washington journal." i want to note, the news of the day this morning is christian broadcaster pat robertson has died at age 93, and he's had dozens of c-span interviews and appearances so you can check our archives on our website, c-span.org. and our mobile video app. but right now we're going to go to live on capitol hill where u.s. surgeon general dr. vivek murthy will be testifying on mental health issues among young americans and possible solutions. this is live coverage of the senate health committee here on c-span. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2023] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org]