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president trump through social means as well. politico this morning offers a cheat sheet into the new charges. this is from the section of what crime is for the president and what he is being charged with. it is said to contain seven criminal accounts. one of trump attorneys said the document from prosecutor summarizes the law that the former president has been charged under including a provision of the espionage act which prohibits classified materials. a statue that prohibits falsifying and destroying records, and statutes prohibiting full statement and conspiracy. he is inspected in court on florida -- in florida next tuesday to hear these charges and so on. prevent x.3 hours you can share your thoughts on the latest

development concerning the former president. 202748 thousand one for republican. --democrats (202) 748-8000, republicans (202) 748-8001, independents (202) 748-8002. here is a statement in its entirety. >> we are a nation that has declined but to go after a president they got more votes than any hitting president in the history of our country by far and did much better for second time in the election than the first, they go after him on -- just like the russia hoax and all of the others as we go against seven years and they cannot stop because it is election interference at the highest level. it is never like anything that has happened i'm in innocent and and person.

they had the mueller report. that came out, no collusion. that was set up by hillary clinton and democrats. this is what they do. this is what they do so well. if they would devote their energy to honesty and integrity it will be a lot better for their country. they can do a lot of great things. if you look at what has happened to our country. we were energy independent. we had a strong military that was not woke. we were doing so well with respect all over the world. the biggest tax cuts in history, the biggest regulation cuts. you had an election that was taken. a president that got more votes than any sitting president in history by far and they come after me because now we are leading in the polls again against biden and against the republican.

we are leading against biden by a lot. a tremendous amount. they figured the way they are going to stop us is using warfare. this is warfare. we cannot let it happen. we cannot let it happen. our country is going to hell. they come after donald trump, weaponizing the justice department, weaponizing the fbi. we cannot let this continue to go on because it is ripping our country to shreds. we have such big problem and this should not be one of them. it is a hoax. just like russia. just like the fake dossier was a hope. -- was a hoax. you saw the durham report, you saw the mueller report. you had two impeachments and they lost and we won. we had tremendous report but that was a hoax and a stamp and

now they are doing it again. seven years. even after i am out. it is called election interference. they are trying to destroy a reputation so they can win an election. that is just as bad as doing any of the other things that have been done over the last number of years and especially during the 2020 election. i want to tell you i am innocent man, i did nothing wrong, and we will fight this like we've been fighting for seven years. it would be wonderful if we could devote our full to making america great again and that is exactly what we did. now our country is in decline. we are a failing nation. this is what they do. i am an innocent man. we will prove that again. seven years of proving it. very unfair. i want to thank everybody. we are doing something very

special for our country. i always put america first. that is why we were in a position. unfortunately that position is no longer valid because they have done such a poor job. we are in a position where we will make america great again. host: again, that video released about an hour after the president finding out about these expected charges from the justice department from special counsel jack smith. the former president indicted in this classified documents case. that is the topic of our show. republicans (202) 748-8001, democrats (202) 748-8000, independents (202) 748-8002. you can also post on facebook and twitter. we will start off with perry in south dakota. you are

first up. go ahead. caller: thank you for having me. i am -- it is a whole different level of what they are doing with the former president. we have now a present president that the house of representatives is taking up with actual bribery. his bribery worse than this keeping records in your house that just about every president in the past has done. they have taken stuff home with them. now we are making an issue out of taking it home and using it to a certain level. i do not know what that is. i feel it is up to the justice department to consider what we have right now. what is good for the gander is good for the goose with this present administration

we have now, we know dog gone well it is coming right out of the house of representatives that there is bribery. host: robert in baltimore. democrats line. caller: i cannot believe what i just heard. trump knew better. i do not know if the man is crazy or what. i believe what he is doing is selling secrets to other countries. look at his son. his stepson. his son-in-law. $2 million he got. host: ronald in east orange, new

jersey. independent line. caller: good morning. what that first caller does not understand is it is not the fact that he took the documents. it is the fact that he did not want to give them back. that is the problem. the man has always thought about himself first, the country last. anybody else who does not believe that is crazy. host: we will go to dahlia in miami, florida. republican line. caller: good morning. we are becoming a banana republic. when you have a government that weaponizes and make sure another man cannot run for president because he is winning, that is called banana republic. we have the biggest criminal sitting in the white house. all this about the $5 million he got because he interfered in ukraine. it is

allowed. he even said it in 2017 that he went to ukraine and he told them unless you fire that prosecutor you are not getting $1 billion. and what was the prosecutor going after? burisma, where his son worked. for that the burisma people gave him $5 million. that is being criminal. he is a criminal. he is the one that should be going to jail along with his entire family. host: that is dahlia in miami, florida. president biden was asked a question about the justice department's investigation into the former

president. this was before the charges we heard of. news came from that. here is president biden from earlier yesterday. >> mr. president, what you say to americans convinced they should trust the independence and fairness of the justice department when your predecessor donald trump repeatedly attacked. >> you notice, i have never once suggested to the justice department what they should do were not do as far as bringing charges or not bringing charges. i am honest. host: that was from the white house. the new york times highlights that it was in may of

2022 that prosecutors issued a subpoena for the return of all classified documents. when mr. trump received the subpoena he asked a lawyer how to help them comply with it come if he has to obey its demands. according to the notes of the conversation mr. cochran conducted a search of mar-a-lago and drafted a sworn statement that everything demanded had been found. in early june of 2022 prosecutors from washington visited mr. cochran at the florida compound to enforce the subpoena and collect the folder he had prepared for them with about 30 classified documents he had discovered during his search. within a matter of weeks prosecutors developed evidence the search prosecutors conducted was incomplete and more classified material remained at mar-a-lago. all of these events leading up to yesterday's indictment from special counsel jack smith who was tapped by merrick garland to investigate these matters. ricky in maryland, democrats line. hi. caller: good morning. let me just remind the american people how we got to this point. i want the american people to know that

the department of justice did not just wake up and say let's go get trump. let's remind each other how we got to this point. he started off with what was said earlier. he had an opportunity to turn over information that belongs to the archives. he chose not to do it. that is a felony. he had other allegations pending towards him, what he did in the state of georgia when he called and asked the state secretary to look for 11,800 votes. that is another felony. he has also been involved with paying a prostitute $130,000 which his previous lawyer went to jail for. that is a felony. host: okay, that is all on the record. what about the charges

yesterday specifically? what do you think of those? caller: i am not surprised. the evidence is in place. the special prosecutor is doing the job he has been hired to do. he followed the evidence and now here we are. we have a duty and obligation to go after donald trump and let him face the charges and let everyone remember this. he is innocent until proven guilty. the burden is on the government to prove him guilty. everybody sit down and relax and let see democracy at work. host: that was ricky. let's go to larry in north carolina.

independent line. good morning. go ahead. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i wish i could redo this morning. i told my wife i must have esp because i said they are going to talk about this indictment on c-span this morning. yet nothing about the numerous scenarios with the biden family. i don't understand it. i really don't. i am amazed that this is going on, and this all stems back, and i appreciate the caller from maryland, he made a lot of sense on things. this stems back from the hillary clinton scenario 2016. darling hilary did not win her election. from that point on the democrat machine started putting lies in the face of the american people and saying they were truth. it still continues today. host: okay, larry in north carolina. the new york times highlighting what larry has brought up, saying mr. trump

will try to turn this around on his pursuers arguing he is being persecuted because he has been indicted where misses clinton ultimately was not. never mind that the facts of the case are different and he seemed to go out of his way to intentionally thwart authorities trying to recover the secret documents. and mrs.clinton was not willingly tried to violate the law but it will be useful argument for mr. trump that he is accused of a double standard. the 2016 campaign is another matter, but he spent much of his presidency disregarding concerns about the security hub is information. that is in the analysis section of the new york times. let's hear from david, republican line, indiana. go ahead. caller: good morning. i appreciated the callers before me. it is amazing you can find all sorts of documents scattered

around the biden residences. he took those when he was a senator, which is completely illegal. a felony. a president has the right to handle classified documents and make them unclassified whenever he wants. i knew you would not mention anything about the $5 million that was paid out by baresema to the biden family. a member of the biden family is a teacher or something like that and she gets paid. where did he get the money to build all of his homes? amazing. the biggest corrupter is sitting in the white house. the biggest liar. controlled by the democratic

puppets. thank you. host: okay, thank you. james in new york, democrats line. hello. caller: i am elated the department and merrick garland have finally shown some sense of jurisprudence. i was beginning to think this country is going up in smoke because of all of the things that the ex-president has done and also with all of the people like tom cotton, lindsey graham, mitch mcconnell, kevin mccarthy, who had a chance and spoke after the insurrection. an ex-president that sat in the white house and watched people get murdered during the insurrection. nobody talks about that. i am so glad that finally there is a semblance -- like the gentleman

said a few calls ago, he is innocent until proven guilty. one thing the ex-president is really good at, he knows how to play the media. he is the pt barnum, he is very shrewd about that. it is all about victimization. it is them against us. nobody talks about nixon, nobody talks about george w. bush, who sent american troops into a war that should never have been fought. nobody talks about spiro agnew who got kicked out. this is a way of the republicans. i am just glad that this morning, i've been waiting for 4-5 years where republicans allowed him to get away with. the republican party is complicit by being silent and allowing -- paul ryan had a chance when he was speaker. he did nothing.

host: okay, we got your point. these indictments have been alleged in other various were. the president talking about receiving them himself. tuesday will be the date when he formally hears the charges in court in florida. for that to happen next tuesday when it comes to members. various members of congress have put things on their twitter feed. this is house speaker kevin mccarthy saying today is a dark day for the united states of america. it is unconscionable for a president to indict a candidate opposing him. i never he american who believes in the rule of law stated with president trump. house republicans will hold this brazen weaponization of power accountable. jim jordan, also committee chair, putting out on his twitter feed "sad day for america, god bless president trump." republican max boot, the -- matt gaetz the phony

indictment is an attempt to distract from the bribes the biden crime family received from foreign nationals. donald trump will be back in the white house and joe will be hunter's cellmate. the house minority leader hakim jeffries saving the rule of law is central to our democracy it must be applied without fear or favor to everyone. democrat from colorado say never before has a former president been indicted for a federal crime. by indicting trump america's justice system is once again showing its strength and reminding us no one is above the law, not even former president. representative robert garcia. donald trump is a con man who damaged our institutions, turned us against each other, and is finally held accountable by the country he tried to destroy. that is just a sampling of what legislatures put on their various twitter feeds concerning the indictment reports released yesterday. this is paul in minnesota, independent line. good morning.

caller: good morning. i am truly an independent. i voted for bush the father. i voted for other republican candidates. not for mr. trump. i think today is a good day for america because he is being held accountable. as much as anything, this man is a bully and he is all about himself. the best evidence of that is his conduct on january 6 when the capital riots happened, the insurrection, whereby he did try to overturn the election and how he treated his vice president mike pence who was loyal to him for all four years. when pins did not behave the way he wanted -- host: to the charges yesterday, how would you address those? caller: i think he needs to be held accountable. he needs to be fully adjudicated and held accountable. he is a bully and he is all about himself.

host: okay, sylvia in west palm beach florida. republican line. caller: yes, good morning. thank you for taking my call. here we go again. we have gone through russia. we have gone through the impeachments. here we go again. this man has nobody, nobody on his side except the republicans and thank god we are there. people in the white house they have done nothing to him but try and take him down. thank god he has the ability and more than biden the legs to stand on his own and defend our country. we need him desperately. we do not need biden in the white house.

host: well, what you think of the charges themselves, specifically? caller: they are bogus. somebody needs to take them away and give him back his life and let him run for president and win. people understand what is going on. they are not stupid. they recognize merrick garland is upset. they realize the democrats want him no matter what. they do not want him running against biden because biden is weak. he is the worst president we've ever had. i do not understand these democrats. they seem to think that what they think is true. they are so stupid. host there is sylvia in florida. : cnn has a profile of the special counsel that was appointed to take a look into these matters at mar-a-lago, jack smith. they highlight he is also overseeing the department's investigation into efforts to overturn the 2020 election and he is investigating members of both parties had like some of the most high-profile political corruption cases in recent memory to mixed out. the special counsel's experience ranges from senator to bringing cases.

against gang members convicted of murdering new york city police officers. his career spans multiple students in the justice department. smith was head of the section when the department failed to convict at the international support and then he saw corruption cases with the chief of the justice department's public integrity unit. he was head of the section when the department failed to convict former senator and vice presidential candidate john edwards in 2012. then virginia governor bob mcdonnell was indicted in 2014 he oversaw the investigation into former house majority leader tom delay, a republican, closing the probe in 2010 without bringing charges. that is a little more of the profile. you can find a profile on cnn about the man at the center of this, jack smith, the special counsel appointed by merrick garland to take a look at the issues involving mar-a-lago. in virginia, democrats line, this is stephen.

caller: the callers have set me up pretty well. there are two i words republicans are stuck on. and really, whatever. watch senator johnson and congressman cromer, look at these interviews on fox. johnson said we do not have any evidence, we just have to infer that joe biden is guilty. at the same time the republicans are inferring, everyone of these callers they are inferring. there is no evidence. the reputable person is the person talking to person who is giving whatever evidence they may or may not have about biden. he is not the guy with the goods because there are no goods. we will infer that biden is guilty but we will ignore the other i word, all of the facts around trump. he took those documents. they asked for them nicely. they asked for them let's nicely. they asked for them with subpoenas. all he had to dwacomply. the republicans are willing to ignore trump sexual assault.

host: well in these cases from yesterday, are just charges from jack smith. caller: where are we at? it is not the fbi. you guys are ignoring and inferring. host: we have not seen formal charges yet. just to make that clear. let's hear from jack in ringgold, virginia. independent line. caller: thank you for having me on. so many thoughts in my mind. i am an old marine. 77 years young, old. i've been around quite a while. in my lifetime

i've never had a better president than president trump. the justice department and the fbi are doing everything they can against president trump. they know he will probably win. host: what you think of the charges laid against president trump yesterday? caller: i think it is a bunch of democrats, white and black. and a bunch of communists trying to bring this man down. [indiscernible] and that man one month out, watching said -- complain to the school board they need to look in the mirror --

host: okay, i'm going to stop you there. first half-hour down. we have the whole show free to make these comments against the inspected indictment of former president trump by the justice department. the former president going to his truth social feed to talk about himself expected to appear in court next tuesday. if you want to call us and give us your thoughts, (202) 748-8001 , (202) 748-8000 for democrats, and independents (202) 748-8002. the president's attorney appeared on cnn yesterday and talked about what he is expecting when it comes to these charges from the justice department. jim trusty is his name. there is part of that interview from yesterday. [video clip] >> we have not been provided with the indictment. what we have is a summons, which is a replace for a warrant. here we have received a summons from the department of justice asking us to be at the courthouse tuesday by 3:00.

>> does it sail many charges there are against your client? >> it does not perfectly mirror and indictment. it does have some language in it that suggests what the seven charges would be. not clear all of those are separate charges. they break out from an espionage act charge, which is ludicrous under the facts of this case, and can explain it. and several obstruction based charges, and then false statement charges, which is a crazy stretch from the facts as we know it. there is lot to pick at from the defense side but that appears to be the charges and it appears to be something we will get off the ground on tuesday. >> okay, you're confirming it is seven charges. there is an espionage act charge. is there one on the willful retention of documents? >> that is it. we are talking us

18 793. it is great television to cite these numbers. the bottom line breaks down to the retention charges. >> is there a conspiracy charge? >> i believe so. i do not have it in front of me. this is not biblically accurate because i'm not looking at a charging document. there is language that might be reflecting a single count instead of two but i think there was a conspiracy count. as well. host: again, jim trusty, the former president's attorney. talking about what he knows when the president will appear in court in florida. helen in california, republican line. hi. caller: hi, the law being applied to trump from the classified documents. i may rightfully assume trump and biden may soon be cellmates because biden was found with classified documents in the garage of his delaware home there was a little bit -- over that. as trump said, he is not

even president anymore but the democrats are terrified of trump regaining power. it is not so much trump regaining power, it is the power of the people have that want trump as president again. that is what they're trying to squash. this is not about squashing trump. this is not about proving he is guilty of espionage, therefore biden would be too. it is about squashing the people's right to vote for who they want to have as the president. as an aside, the idea of classified documents -- it should be illegal to have any documents that emanate from our government as classified, therefore secret from the people. all documents should be public for the very fact we are a republic. we are owed all of the information because it falls on us to determine who is good and who is bad, who best governs and who does not.

host: okay, let's hear from elaine in illinois. democrats line. caller: good morning and happy pride month. between pat robertson dying and donald trump getting indicted they are thinking this is like their 9/11. i do not think they understand donald trump broke the law and did something under the espionage act. on both sides of the issue i think biden did some crimes but it was more or less trump. host: it is only reported indictments at this date. caller: true. it is. he will have his day in court and we will see what happens. between pat robertson dying in from getting indicted, happy pride month for all of the queers like myself.

host: ronald in oklahoma, independent line. next up. caller: good morning, c-span. host: go ahead. caller: he was indicted by an independent counsel. host: special counsel appointed by merrick garland. caller: a special counsel. merrick garland did not sign off on it. he did not say he approved it. he just gave him the advantage to say you have th indictment, you tried to hide these documents, this is what you get. don't go to jail, don't pass go, don't get $200. just ask for jesus. host: the politico cheat sheet i showed you earlier, and you can find this at politico.com. they have a section when it comes to who at the justice department approved the trump indictment. it says attorney general merrick garland appointed jack smith to oversee the classified document investigation as well as a

separate probe into the former president's attempts to derail the transfer of power after the 2020 election. the doj special counsel regulations to clear that smith should not be subject to the day-to-day supervision of any official at the department. under the rules smith had to advise merrick garland about any major action. -- any action that feels so unwarranted that it should not be pursued. merrick garland is the most to give smith's views "great weight" and must notify congress if he turns the special counsel down. this is the mechanics of what goes behind the seat when it comes to the special counsel investigations especially as it relates to the indictment of former president trump as he talked on his truth social site and other reporting. republican line in texas. this is mike. hi. caller: the biggest bully in the united states is the federal government. we are getting it

good and hard right now. right now. if any caller destroyed fbi subpoenaed information, maybe emails or a server, like hillary did, they would be living in a cage. every single caller who did it would be living in a cage. hillary is not. how suspicious is that? host: how does that apply to yesterday's news concerning former president trump? caller: well, the targeting of trump is all they do. that is what they do because he is a threat to their acquisition of political power. they are going after him because they do not

like what he does. personally, you have a political party that likes government, they feel government can solve problems. i would submit to you this is how they use government. we are next. they do not solve problems. they claim to. the border, poverty, the things that matter most to democrats is just the acquisition of power and it is not to solve problems. donald trump is in their way. that is who they go after. joe biden has all of those classified documents for over a decade and -- the president has the right. there are constitutional powers a president has to declassify without any formal activities or approval from congress. why are they going after him like this? they are requesting them. they also told him to put it under lock and key in mar-a-lago. they told him to do that and he did. host: and he resisted and he resisted in other areas according to reporting? caller: according to reporting. according to the article you read hillary had no intent of breaking the law. host: why do you think this

compares to the expected charges against the former president? why you think that is a comparison? caller: well, because the fbi is choosing what laws are going to be applied. that is what they are doing. they are choosing what laws to apply because donald trump is the one they're are doing. they are choosing what laws to apply because donald trump is the one they're going after. that is what a bully does. it selectively applies the law when it chooses to do so. host: okay, let's go to james in new jersey. democrats line. caller: good morning. i'm hearing everything everybody is saying. it is a sad day today. i did not particularly agree with a lot of things the ex-president

does or did, but as far as the documents, it is amazing. biden had some in the house. mike pence had some documents they turned them over. trump was asked to turn them over. i think all he had to do was turn them over. i am a veteran. i was in the military. i had a clearance. had i taken any of that home were kept any of that stuff, i would not be talking to you. i might just be getting out of prison. i think it is sad. he will have his day in court. i would've never taken any of that stuff home. what am i doing? host: joe is next in iowa. independent line. caller: hello. first off, i think is a good day that they have finally are going to press charges along with all of the

others that are coming. the ones in the past. what'd i hear? over 4000 lawsuits in his lifetime? i want the country to think about this. look at the man when he talks. do not just watch fox. you have to watch everything. c-span, the good, everything. look at the man. he talks about he is so christian. i bet that man cannot name six books of the bible. host: let's go back to the charges yesterday. what did you think about that begins the former president? caller: absolutely, we need to. the country needs to think about this. that man, i've been watching them closely for eight years, before that i watched

him his lifetime. i think he is the devil. i really think he is the devil. host: okay, i will hear from matt in missouri. the caller brought up some of the other inquiries into the former president about his activities and they highlight them in the new york times this morning. they go back to the manhattan criminal cases we experienced earlier this year. alvin bragg brought the case of the former president's role in a hush-money payments to stormy daniels. still pending is the georgia criminal inquiry saying prosecutors recently indicated they would announce indictments this summer in their investigation. some of the allies in their efforts to interfere with the 2020 presidential election. there is still the outstanding january 6 inquiry by the justice department and the special counsel as well as other factors. there are numerous others as well. this is in the new york times if you want to read the summary there. again from yesterday's expected indictment against the former president is where we are

turning our attention for the program this morning. in missouri, republican line, this is matt, hello. caller: hi, trumped dearrangement syndrome israel. joe biden -- is real. joe biden has 1850 boxes of documents. he had them at the center that was financed by the chinese. nothing. you look at the timeline, as soon as they find the -- trump got indicted. yesterday they come out with a $5 million bribery scheme. where is the money? it is malarkey. that's his answer. host: your drawing straight lines between those incidents and yesterday? how do you prove that?

caller: it is trump. they have been doing this for how long? since he was president. it is driven by the state run media and you are part of it. host: how do you draw the line between what you are claiming and the charges? that is what i would like to know. caller: it is the truth. you trump will be indicted for georgia? as soon as they come out with more evidence for biden. every time they come out with evidence of biden doing a crime trump gets indicted. host: okay, let's hear from john in california. caller: thanks for taking my call. i do not know what the future will hold. i do know he will be in court on tuesday. you have the attorney for him that does not understand all of the charges. he said something like is just a list. i understand there is a conspiracy charge and that he was in possession of these documents and all of that sort of thing. he just went

through a trial where he did not win everything. they did convict him of the other charges. then he shot his mouth off and he is trying to go after him again because he defamed this person again. this will be an interesting time. one of the things a lot of the pundits and people are talking about is this really does have an impact on the general election. this year it will not. he should be grateful the base is not representing him because the defense they put forward is everything they hear on fox news and all of the radio dominated republican radio. he would lose. host: okay, ann is next in new hampshire. independent line. caller: hi. i just want to say this country needs to uphold the rule of law. president biden has separated himself. he gave

merrick garland, who is greatly respected by many republicans, and he appointed a special counsel so it would not be political. he deferred to jack smith, who had great experience in public integrity. mr. trump had the chances over a year and a half to return the documents. he knew explicitly that every document from the white house belongs to the national archives. he had fits when his aides went through the trash and taped up documents he ripped up because they went to the national archives. he brought this on himself. if you listen to it, he has gone on and on many different outlets saying he took them. he had every right to them. he knew explicitly he did not have the right to them.

everybody is in their little path this way or that way. let's severe biden, let's smear the justice department, the fbi. there are people both democrats and republicans in the justice department and the fbi and they take an oath to uphold the constitution and the rule of law. host: as some of the callers brought out, if the issue is holding onto these documents, if this is the issue, are both mr. biden and mr. trump being treated fairly or equally? caller: no because biden found the documents and notified the justice department, they went and retrieved them. he also allowed a searhis residences and every property he own host: ultimately it deals wi

possession of documents. caller: yes. but according to many different prosecutors this happens to many former officers or officials in the government who accidentally take them and return them. should biden be sanctioned or pay a monetary fine? fine. i am sure he would approve of that. he is more honest than mr. trump , who refuses to return all of the documents, even after served a subpoena. host: okay, that is ann in new hampshire. about 12 minutes until our next guest joins us. a discussion and continuing on with the theme of the events of yesterday. at 9:00 the house expected to come in for a short session. should take a couple of minutes as they finish up their business there. then we will continue with calls about the events of yesterday. that is the

focus of our program today about these expected charges or what might happen next week once mr. trump does appear in court. just to go back to politico piece saying it was mr. trump's attorney jim trusty summarizing the laws trump is being charged under. the laws saying they are provision of the espionage act that prohibits the retention of classified material, statute that prohibits the obstruction of the proceeding, statute that prohibits falsifying of records. then statutes prohibiting false statements of conspiracy. that is expected, at least from the lawyer, what he learned yesterday from the charging documents or at least the information he got access to from the justice department. dj is in texas, republican line. formation he got access to from the justice department. dj is in texas, republican line. caller: good morning. you might as well get to reaching for that button. i want to ask you a question. caller: good morning. you might as well get to reaching for that button. i want to ask you a

question. you sit there and you take in all of this information from people and you talk about somebody that is not really knowing what is going on. the last caller said we should sanction biden? that is part of the problem in this country's people do not know how government works. first of all, you are out there as a reporter, i guess. host: i'm just the host of this program. i am not a reporter in any respect. i'm the host of this program. caller: you're on washington journal and you are not a journalist? host: we are public affairs program. caller: so what you spend some time talking about the different llc's and going through the whole latter of the llcs the money went through with the biden family. why are we bringing that up? i don't care about these documents. i do not care about any of the documents anybody has taken home. i think

most of the american people do not care about documents. they care more about senior president that will take care of them. i am seeing a lot of people suffering because the administration that is in place right now. host: okay, that does not apply to yesterday's expected indictment. what you think about those? as far as what you are trying to argue. caller: why we go to your words. you're bouncing back and forth saying there is an indictment. there is no indictment. host: there are no charges yet. caller: i am listening to you bounce back and forth on that term. ok? you're bouncing back and forth between -- host: you're bouncing back and forth between trump and the biden administration. talk about what

happened to president trump yesterday. caller: you're bouncing back that he was either indicted or this is a summary of what might. host: okay, let's go to sean. north carolina. democrats line. caller: thank you for taking my call. every single republican, every independent, any democratic who voted for donald trump should look themselves in the mirror and they are complicit. they cause this problem by putting such a clown in charge. host: okay. cliff in virginia. independent line. caller: good morning. i remember you from the charlottesville station. i would like to say i am not republican or democrat. a prosecutor once said they can indict a ham sandwich. i've have

been watching this for seven years. it seems like everybody has been against trump. he is the underdog. he has gotten a lot of free press. it seems like the shows on tv have been making their shows based on putting trump down and false allegations for seven years. it is going to be tit-for-tat if the republicans get in. it'll be never-ending. host: okay, let's stick to the events of yesterday. you think there is substance there is for the indictments are concerned? caller: again, prosecutors once said if you get a businessman, you're going to find charges on him. it is the federal government. you can become a u.s. citizen and they can take

that away from you they have the power to charge whatever. nothing is really, bid for seven years. we have been trying for seven years. it is about time to give up and let the country, and the voters need to have the choice on who they elect. it seems like the democrats want the power to tell you who to vote for. host: okay that if cliff in west virginia. president trump himself talking about was he expecting an indictment from the justice department. other sources saying those are coming. the president expected to appear in court next tuesday as the next step of this story. one of the people talking about this was adam schiff on msnbc. remember he led the efforts in president trump's first impeachment trial to talk about these latest charges on msnbc. here is adam schiff, democrat from california.

>> i think this is a very difficult and very important day in the life of our democracy when you have a former and leading candidate for president who is brought up on federal charges. it is a perilous moment but it is important because it is an affirmation of the rule of law that it applies equally to everyone. it applies to the high and mighty, former presidents as it applies to ordinary citizens. to the extent we depart from that, the extent of that departure is not democracy. this is a very important step. just to respond to what you were talking about earlier, we do advise other countries, emerging democracies, you do not simply seek to indict the losing side in an election. there is an important distinction. these charges are not brought as a way of punishing donald trump for losing an election. they are brought because he violated the law, or the justice department believes they can prove he

violated the law beyond a reasonable doubt. that is what should happen when the department reaches that conclusion. so i think this is an important day. there are difficult days ahead. i think in terms of the congress we ought to stay out of the way and i am deeply concerned kevin mccarthy's death threat they do -- kevin mccarthy is now threatening to bring congress into this. i would say to mr. mccarthy that donald trump has -- host: james in virginia. republican line. caller: good morning, pedro. i think senator schumer said it best in new york. he said when the government once you it has six ways to get you. nowhere in that statement it say break the law. it simply says they want you. then you have adam schiff you just played. he spent two

years like the 320 million americans about evidence about russia collusion and no consequences. if i sat before a judge and lied that his perjury. if i sat before congress they can charge me. five lighted the fbi they can charge me. here we have a sitting congressman. now he has airtime on msnbc. what is his consequences? host: okay, the charges against trump yesterday, what you think of those? or the expected charges i should say, the expected indictment? caller: i understand what they v

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