host: good morning. it is sunday. welcome to "washington journal" and the first hour we talk about the race to reelect joe biden 2024. we do the phone lines differently. if you are democrat and support joe biden, 202-748-8000. if you are a democrat and i sure and not going to support, 202-748-8001. independence, 202-748-8002.

republicans 202-748-8003. on facebook as well. we will show you some of the event yesterday in philadelphia. we will show you other news and campaign from saturday. and we will hear from you. the lines are different so make sure you're calling on the one that best fits your category. 202-748-8000 democrat supporting joe biden. 202-748-8001 if you are democrat but you are unsure or opposing joe biden. independent, 202-748-8002. republicans, 202-748-8003.

biden held his first big reelection rally in philadelphia. for takeaways. joe biden loves a union crowd. not so much in polls taking a look at the later -- numbers. the polling average, this proved 5%. the approved number is 41%. among the points the president made in his campaign rally will success in the economy. >> we play 13 million -- created 13 million new jobs as i became president. that is more jobs created in 14-year term. -- one four-year term.

we have created 800,000 manufacturing jobs. where is it written america cannot lead in manufacturing? this did not just happen. we made it happen. i came to office with a theory and a plan. the theory was this -- please listen. it was time to trickle-down economics. the wealthy doing well, we all do well. 40 years in and in out excessive tax cut.

all of it done was hollow out the middle class, blow up deficit, ship jobs overseas. i am pretty sure you saw it at your home. i saw it in mind. trickle-down from my parents kitchen table when i was growing up. we decided to replace this theory with what the president now call -- i do not know what that is where it is worked. it is about building an economy from the bottom up and middle out because when the middle class does well, everybody does well. host: joe biden reelection campaign underway. first event yesterday in philadelphia. we are talking about reelection bid. you support the president and a

democrat 202-748-8000. democrats unsure or opposing the nomination of president biden 202-748-8001. independent 202-748-8002. republican 202-748-8003. the philadelphia inquirer reporting on the event with the headline biden held his first big reelection rally. here are four takeaways. one other take away's the power of the incumbency and they right do not expect a ton of rallies to follow the kick off. his greatest asset is the we of incumbency and attention he can draw as president. to be the most impactful moment of the date was notid abiding standing on stage with unio members but flying above i lking down on the collapsed bridge and bowing to help fix it. what i told the governor there is no more important project in

the country as far as i concerned after the tr the collapsed site. dicted my team to move heaven andarth to get it done asoon as possible. inquirer says the collapse also fits perfectly into one of biden's major campaign themes, rebuilding falling infrastructure. resident joe biden rebuilding i-95 sign set up next to the podium at the president and lawmakers lauded his responsiveness. a supporter from columbus, ohio. sandy. caller: yes. i'm supporting joe biden. what he has done, executive orders he has had to do, i would like to tell fellow democrats, independent, republicans we need to get the democrats to take the house and senate, the governorship, and the local,

state and local. i do not think people understand that they are looking at joe biden but he has loved what he's doing. his wife is supportive. he is not having a problem with it. i could see the concern a few is not getting things done. the corporate the way they are holding of things because they are republicans. they get the tax breaks. we have to stop and think and look back to the bright line with the last potus when they're running out of gas and people that died. fellow democrats get on board. we got the head. let's work on the house and senate and down the pallet -- ballot host: in mississippi on the line supporting the president. caller: i will support joe biden

-- nobody is going to run against joe biden. but i have a conflict with him. host: what is that? caller: [indiscernible] i do not want to push my way out of nobody but the white house is really disturbing. i do not know what to call it and i think it is going to split the black vote because we got morals. host: independent line and hear from ron. what is your view as joe biden kicks off his reelection bid? caller: thank you for taking my call. what we have indecent exposure

at our capital, the white house, who is a man who cannot say what's for himself god bless america but long live the queen? this man is not confident to lead our nation and a belief he has too much immorality and promoting a bad way to go. host: democrat supporting joe biden 202-748-8000. democrats unsure or opposing 202-748-8001. independent 202-748-8002. republicans 202-748-8003. this was the headline in the washington post this morning as biden holds events, his campaign slowly take shape. they right president biden came here saturday to philadelphia

seeking to inject new urgency in his campaign rally inc. a group of union organizers and framing he hopes will win him another four years making a long way to make things better. it has been more of a slow walk towards reelection this campaign infrastructure only now beginning to take shape. bun right -- fighters fundraising efforts are just beginning to pick up studies in a more senior staffers but yet to open the campaign headquarters. the events have started to provide a window into the campaign as he has hosted core democratic groups at the white house and boasted of early endorsement. the republican national committee early on the air or on the advertising scene with ads

against the incumbent president. here's an example. [video clip] >> we can now call the 2024 presidential election race for joe biden. this morning and then china and vase taiwan. -- emboldened china and fades taiwan. ages overrun by 80 thousand illegals yesterday. escalating crime and fentanyl crisis. who is in charge? it feels like the train is coming off of the tracks. host: more your calls -- on the independent line in missouri jackie. caller: hello. there is no way i would ever vote for joe biden. our country has become we borrow , taken over by immigrants,

crime is rampant in the streets. our country is a laughingstock. it is a laughingstock. my father, my uncles, my grandchild they have not been in the service of this country from the it go down like this -- for it to go down like this. people need to stand up. host: donald on the line opposing the president. in monroe, north carolina. hi. caller: hi. i am leading to opposing the president. i want to tell you number one why and it is never been addressed by democrats and republicans. however, it has been named by trump. i would tell you what that is.

the number one is i am also a realtor. affordable housing has left our country. you have corporations buying houses which violates the fair housing act of 1968 which said that no house shall be allowed to be sold unless it was sold to a person many white, black, or of any religion etc., not a corporation. i did bring that up what he first ran. i was told it would be addressed. i brought that up to the governor. it is never been addressed. it is set the price of houses skyrocketing. i know of several instances

where people cannot afford it and their been evicted. there is no story on it. that is number one. and number two, the price of health care has gone through the roof. not doing anything about that. my sister, who i take care of, she is medicare and medicaid. a lot of things were taken away from her this year because her medicare and medicaid was changed. i had to go to have that change to another policy. not being addressed again. the third thing is the ukraine war. i do not want to hear we have to save democracy. you have a country that is not that larger than a few states

over here bordering russia and you're telling me you're trying to say the democracy. the next thing will be doing is trying to rebuild that. we cannot do it. host: you laid out important issues to you. affordable housing, cost of medicare, the ukraine war. is there a candidate, republican or democrat, addressing the issues you think you can support? caller: i will be honest although no republican has had named it, i watched one day -- this was a few weeks ago -- and trump said on the air what is happening with houses as far as how they have grown up and he also mentioned cars. cars has shot up 40%. he said what is happening with cars is ridiculous.

if i look at all the candidates and there's only one, despite the problems with trump as far as how he may have acted, still that is somebody that mentions it while nobody else does. also he said he was going to make social security secure. he is not address that. i have several eligible -- elderly folks in my family including me taking up social security soon where again it is not been addressed and we pay enough taxes for a to be addressed. host: thank you for your calls. we are doing the phone lies differently talking about joe biden's reelection bid which got

underway with the first rally in philadelphia. the lines for democrats if you support joe biden 202-748-8000. democrats, who like donald, may oppose joe biden or unsure 202-748-8001. independent 202-748-8002. republicans 202-748-8003. headline on yesterday's rally from "the hill.com biden warns union workers gop coming for your jobs. [video clip] >> we used to have 750 billionaires in america and now they tell me it is about a 1000 because of the last administration. you know what percentage they pay in taxes? 8%. i pay a hell of a lot more than

that man. so do you. they pay to lower taxes -- they pay lower tax rates the school teachers, firefighters. it is time they pay the minimum tax. i do not mind them being billionaires just pay your fair share. the bottom line is this it is time for corporations and wealthy start paying their fair share. i made a promise and i will keep it the next four years i am elected that no one making under $400,000 was he a penny of the federal taxes go up they have not. i have kept that promise and i will keep it. it's about time the super wealthy start paying their fair share. i'm going to go and ask them if they agree with me it is time

for everyone to stop paying their fair share. host: we live out a couple of comments also should media by twitter. tony says if i understand the president were doing so will the economy is booming that we cannot cut a dime of deficit spending or we will die. can someone make it make sense? lee said, fighting economics of trickle-down economics. he gives money directly to the rich corporations. how does give them money and weapons to ukraine and sanctions on russia help build middle-class in usa? this one says a college or city never heard biden say god bless america something he ends every speech with but the right only listen to right-wing propaganda or video clips free to listen to list every trump speech and press her to make up my own mind. michael in washington dc supporting joe biden. caller: good morning. i'm calling on all americans --

when joe biden was elected we see the economy is growing steadily. we see unemployment dropping and we americans building confidence -- races phenomenon during trump is dying down but we know that the crime wave is going up and the crumbly is because that the client -- the crime wave is because people by a lot of guns. they're going to pass the laws to control gun laws. we should take you up is out. that is what is killing america. the republicans talk about abortion. they do not know what you for the economy, making the economy grow, they are being taken away by the guns they are supporting

so we support joe biden so we control the gun laws in both houses are taken and make america safe. i call all americans to get behind joe biden. host: on the independent line from of carolina, phil. good morning. caller: it is simple for me. i am tired of the politics that is permeating washington by both sides. trump is too old. biden is too old. we need fresh ideas. we need people who are going to work for the american people opposed to their own political careers which is another problem. i refuse to vote for incumbents at any level, state, local, federal because i think politics is taken over and it's getting this country in deeper hole that cannot get out of.

host: there are number of candidates on the republican side, several other than joe biden on the democratic side and a couple independent runs including cornell west. anyone out there gaining your attention? caller: no, not yet. i'm still on the fence with all candidates. at the do some evaluations before i go vote. host: brad in new hampshire. on the independent line. -- on the republican line. caller: hi. i'm call in regards to the media more so than the candidates. when -- during the last election when bite is set in the basement and did not come out and speak and trump did come everybody

using the words trump said against him and swank opinion but with the media says there and does not report on certain stories and they want to percent are interfering with the election. the day trump was recently indicted, the same day the oversight committee got to read the library allegations against the bidens. not one media outlet reported on that, not one. it was 24/7 trump in your face. that is an issue for this country and until they get solved this country is never going to get better. host: pat on the independent line in massachusetts. caller: good morning. i am so disappointed that we have no choice other than biden

but i'll be voting for any left-winger. this country so imbalanced in terms of being conservative. i want to tip that scale make this place as liberal as it can possibly be. host: at this point who do you think is the best candidate to do that? caller: i would probably vote for aoc to be honest. when these get to left we can have that discussion but we're so far off the charts and will always have been -- and they had grown up listening to adults. i've been going up my whole life as means of these conservatives talk about all the talking points about trickle-down. i see the wealthy and come and assess exponentially grow --

assets especially grow my entire life. my perspective, as a stem worker, i work in sykesville. i try to run -- robert them of their time because with the ceo is getting paid 400 times my salary -- i have a pretty good but i look around and i cannot really afford a house. health care is bad. the people who make less than me -- i cannot even imagine what it is like. i cannot relate to the conservative line of tax cuts for the wealthy. they talk about welfare. in this country we are the farthest away from welfare you

could be. this is a cutthroat society of rugged individualism that has no care for human life. it is like a poisonous capitalist broken society. i am for capitalism if it is regulated it makes sense but and -- but it is not. it is tip to the wealthy. until something changes, why would i vote for conservative? not to mention they live in completely alternate reality dominated by religious. they live in a bubble or they listen to fox news. they vote for someone like trump who openly disparages disabled people. he is literally a rapist. he is a misogynist. i cannot believe these people are so easily swindled by this man and by that party.

the gop is essentially a domestic terrorist party in my opinion at this point. we really need to politically annihilate them. left-wing chris, independence we need to fight for what america used to be. these people are dangerous and we need to call them now. host: hey caller from new hampshire minutes ago critical of the media and a similar from political commentator mark this morning on twitter mentoring the sub. he says biden will get gain from time to time but when this race get serious the dominant media it would do everything in his power more than in 2016 and likely more than in 2020 to stop trump from winning. he says the biden high command those addresses competitive edge and knows how to exploit it for maximum advantage.

criticism for the president may from leaders of the republican side in u.s. senate. they will from south dakota this past week -- the whip from south dakota this past week critical of the economic record from the biden administration. [video clip] >> i have to marvel every time the president claims he is building the economy from the bottom up in middle out and working to get families quote more breathing room. if there's one thing that can be said about the biden privacy is americans families have lost -- presidency is americans families have lost their breathing room. -- the inflation crisis the president help create cost think i as causing american families a hundred $80 this month for just one month.

real wages have declined from 26 consecutive months under president biden. 26 consecutive months. two plus years. it is no surprise that in a poll last month 49% of americans supported -- reported their financial situation is getting worse. 61% said recent prices cause significant hardship for them or their household. let's be clear. this is not a random situation that just happened to occur on the president's watch. the president bears directors possibility to this inflation crisis set off in large part thanks to be bloated big government american rescue plan a spending spree democrats and the president forced through surely the president came to office. host: joe biden first rally yesterday in philadelphia of his 2024 campaign.

our question is about the reelection bid of the president and we are asking it this way -- artfulness are this way. democrats in support joe biden 202-748-8000. democrats were unsure 202-748-8001. independence 202-748-8002. republicans 202-748-8003. a poll from usa today age and indictment biden and trump-based liabilities with voters according to a usa today poll. joe biden former president donald trump have a problem. bidens age and trump's troubles giving them a third of the voters they are likely to target pre-second thoughts about supporting them in a race that is already close. challenges could hardly be more different, by the state of birth beyond his control over allegations of trump's actions brought indictments in state and

federal court. the political impact at the moment strikingly similar. for biden 37 percent of democratic and independent voters say the 80-year-old president h makes them less likely to vote for him. 3% say it makes them more likely 56% say it is not make a difference. pro-trump 34% republicans and independent voters say legal situation makes them less likely to vote for him. another slice from 11% say it makes more likely to support him. for the 1% majority says it does not make a difference. -- 51% majority says it is not make a difference. the scene of kalama, joe biden supporter. make sure you meet your volume. caller: turn you down? host: yes. caller: this is my point about the whole system.

it is not about joe biden's age. it is not about donald trump. it is about the truth. you have a live. you're trying to build a country off of a lie like donald trump and the things he has done. even the documents he got out the documents he got out mar-a-lago out of his house. those documents you are giving to putin. donald trump -- those documents he was giving to putin. donald trump is not care about this country. he only cares about donald trump. these people glorify a liar who disrespected disabled people, disrespected woman, disrespected this country and then want to talk about joe biden's hp is a good candidate. he will be the president again. he will get everywhere way should be for the middle class people. these foolish people talking

about donald trump is this and that. donald trump is not for nobody. this is my opinion about this whole system. all these could get a republican sitting here talking about joe biden, what about the cricket things -- crooked things they have done to black people over the century? should of got our acres and our meals. -- mules. every time a democrat to come in here they got something to cry and talk about pre-that they should look at themselves to be ashamed of treated us over 400 years will we should be representative flakka. we should be glorifying the flag because week lawson should our blood -- we shed and loss our blood. they just take money from the middle-class people. host: janice, democrat opposing

joe biden's nomination. good morning. caller: good morning. i would never again vote democrat. my family and i have been democrats my whole life. my mother was her whole life. i refuse to ever vote democrat. i'm so tired of hearing about trump. i'm even more so sick of hearing about what a good guy biden is. i am perplexed at the selective outrage of people who want to talk about what trump did while ignoring biden. biden has been in office for 51 years they trump and he has done nothing for the black people. he has been a segregationist. he has been supportive of the grand dragon of the ku klux

klan. he and kamala harris has put more black people in prison then had. -- then donald trump ever has. they have destroyed this country. they are taking because places we have never been before with their climate change and their illegal immigration. host: we say -- who are you referring to with the ku klux klan? caller: biden gave his eulogy and hilary said he was idle. host: senator robert burns? caller: correct. host: jack on the republican line. caller: the think joe biden in claims he created a hundred

thousand jobs. the vast majority of jobs that have come back with created under donald trump and loss during covid. these jobs are just being renewed. they are not creating new jobs. as far as the deficit, joe biden inflation reduction act did not reduce inflation. check the cbo. they came up with that. everything joe is saying you he did, has already been done a he is just redoing get. look at the number of illegal immigrants in the country. we have over 6 million that come in from 140 different countries. we have to control our borders. what are these individuals going to get jobs? where are they going to get resources to pay rent and heat? it is much come out of our pockets. it is time we start controlling

things and joe biden has not controlled a thing. host: joe biden held his first campaign rally yesterday on the campaign trail in nevada. fundraising rally. desantis on ending culture of losing. that is they had line of the new your times reporting on the rally this morning. as he boots, jeans. the fundraiser dress code specified ranch casual. governor desantis try to persuade republican voters in nevada so loyal that the parties formula for winning elections was beyond shelf life. headlining conservative gymboree where those mr. trump randy, desantis never mentioned his rival for the republican party 2020 four presidential nomination during a speech in nevada. the former governor salt to draw a not-so-subtle contrast between himself and the former president one time allie -- one-time ally

party overwhelming front rover. he described last year's midterm elections as another disappointment in a string a defeat for the party while tossing his more than 1.2 million vote margin of victory in his reelection last november quote we have developed a culture of losing in this party desantis said adding quote you're not going to get a mulligan on the 2024 election. in philadelphia president biden talked about addressing infrastructure, the i-95 bridge collapsed not far away there in philadelphia. [video clip] pres. biden: we passed the bar -- bipartisan infrastructure law because of you. lisa -- is to be the best in the world. but today we are ranked number

13. how can you grow an economy without good infrastructure? not a joke. under my predecessor, and for structure became a punch line. under my watch were making it a headline. that is what it is all about. investing in america. clean water, high-speed speed internet and so much more. we have started some 32,000 projects across america. none more consequential than right here in i-95 in philadelphia. if you go to invest.gov you see a map that shows every single project in this country and creates tens of thousands of good paying jobs with prevailing wage per year -- a do not need a

college degree to make a decent income. my dad used to have an expression, this is what he used to say, joe can't remember a job is about lot more than a paycheck. it is about your dignity, respect. able to look a child in the eye and say it's going to be ok, we're going to make it. he was right and i'm determined to make it a reality. [applause] i need in the reminder about how important infrastructure was i got a reminder a few days ago right here in philadelphia. i visited the section of i-95 and working closely with governor shapiro is a mr. casey and congressman to rebuild it.

thanks a smart thinking innovative design materials right here in pennsylvania were going to get it done in record time because it is so important to the economy not only in philadelphia but the entire northeast. host: we are asking about the run for reelection by joe biden. his first public rally in philadelphia. a couple comments on twitter. carl says vote for the candidate who believes increasing and expanding social security, medicare and medicaid. this will assess the caller from wisconsin is wrong. the economy added 10.7 million jobs under by dampening the total 1.2 million higher than before the pandemic . some of the am looking for candidates who are younger than 80 years old and have knowledge and desire to create a robust economy for everyone secure our borders. inflation is costing americans a hundred thousand more each

month, while corporations making record profits? sounds like raises are due. mark says no he would not support president but will be interesting when he does debate with someone. catherine says no. if i voted three times. in memphis, frank is a democrat opposing joe biden's reelection. go ahead. caller: thank you for taking my call. i think it is time we start holding joe biden accountable along with merrick garland. you cannot have someone that tried to overthrow our country tomorrow government and six months later -- our government and six must having rallies. we have allowed this man to hijack our system. we need to someone in the white house that is going to put their foot down and put a stop to it.

donald trump and the maggots that point that support him are the greatest threat including -- the greatest threat to the country including ukraine and everything else. we need someone to put their foot down and forget all this stuff about prosecuting a former president. he is not a criminal. you have to treat them like that. put your foot down and throw them in jail or better yet execute him. be done with him. while we can't do that is beyond me. -- why we cannot do that is beyond me. host: of any of the offenses, why would you say something about executing him? caller: i've been told that my entire life that is treason is punishable by death. when i turned to my tv in january 4 years ago that is what i seen. it was treason.

the media can call it anything they want to but it was treason against this country. he should be executed for it along with his enablers and that includes republican that refuse to indict him with the evidence was overwhelming for you to hold them accountable and his whole maga group accountable. host: that is frank in metro tennessee in myrtle beach, south carolina. -- you're on the air. caller: happy father's day. this country is a mess. being divided under something that triggered by money. greed. what if we just go to the white

house and let's just -- i do not see any politician worth 200,000 or $400,000 a year. let's take some of that money back. that is our money. we the people. that is what it says on the constitution. it says we the people. would you take the money back because just think about it -- we need to take that money back because just think about it. talk about ukraine. when you get beat down and you get beat up, you need to help create we reach out and help. listing think about our veterans. they should not pay one dime for anything. they put on the suit. they went across the water. what do we do? we stayed at the house and listen to see what is going on.

we did not put on the bootstraps. they fought for us. we should pay them more daily than what we pay anybody else. let's talk about presidents. we need, since. we got that. republicans and democratic side but we need is a role that if you are stupid -- rule that if you are stupid, we have to go. we have a lot of stupidity going on. if you cannot beat we the people, we cannot support you. that is the bottom line. host: political news from south carolina from abc news. south carolina's gop vote to move back there 2024. abc rights south carolina republican voted unanimously on saturday to hold their 2024 presidential primary on february 24 next year. sources close to the process

told abc news. potential move would link -- linking the time candidates have to focus on campaigning across the pivotal moment stayed compared to 2016 gop election cycle. it is a approved by the republican national committee would up and the usual cables of the republican calendar by placing south carolina after nevada for the first time in cycles. to make south carolina republican votes 18 days after nevada schedule primary putting the furs in south presidential primary state right and center in the race for more than two full weeks. in 2016 south carolina republican primary came three days before nevada held his caucuses when campaigns were bawling between two early states in an effort to sway each electorate. the democrats have changed their first in the nation primary to south carolina several weeks ago. mary in florida on the republican line. caller: i have to say this

president in office now is the worst president this country has ever had. he does not know what he's talking about. he makes things. that she makes things up as he goes along. he is very bad. as far as china is concerned, the man and his family as their hands in their back pocket. they know exactly what they are doing. not him, no longer. he senile. he should not be anywhere near anything to do with having to deal with worldwide matters. as far as the man says, all of

trump's supporters should be executed, i cannot believe this. the man before him said that trumps support is a domestic terrorist. i cannot believe for this country has gone the. no. president biden is the worst president we have ever had. i have voted for donald trump twice and i will do it again. host: bonnie in lancaster, pennsylvania. a democrat opposing the nomination of joe biden. caller: thank you for taking my call. i suggest every single american eligible to vote look in the mirror and say do we want to be venezuela?

i believe biden, his speech when he became president, lee said he -- when he said he is running for the soul of america, he's going to put us together. i'm 73 years old. i am blind. i have never, ever felt such divide in this country. i believe both parties are stained preet -- are stained. we need to build from the bottom of because both parties need to be cleaned house. we need a flat tax. we need to stop this into fighting -- interfightin. we do not strain our country out. will be venezuela in 10 years -- straighten our country out we will be venezuela in 10 years. host: here's an opinion piece in the new york times.

she focuses on political issues. he is no jack kennedy. talking about robert kennedy junior. let's go ahead she writes an essay the quiet part out loud, robert kennedy junior the nephew of john f. kennedy, the son of robert f can it is a bit of a crank -- robert f kennedy is a bit of a crank. along with a spicy stew of other conspiracy theories. notable offerings that the 2000 four presidential election was stolen by republicans. psycho pharmaceuticals responsible for mass shootings and the cia had a hand in the assassination of his uncle preet now mr. kennedy looking to take his screwball? primetime challenging president biden for the 2000 24 democratic presidential nomination. this guy has a non-negligible

degree of support preet polls in recent months show backing for mr. kennedy hovering around 20% among democratic voters not enough to pose a threat to mr. biden but sufficient to give some in the party jitters. this or michelle in new york times. -- that is from michelle in the new york times. host: carol on the independent line. caller: thanks for taking my call. i want to say i voted for donald trump wants. i would never for him again. he has been convicted of rape -- or sexual assault. same thing as far as i'm concerned. character matters. he lied about the 14-year-old boy. he is the worst president we have ever had. he's unpatriotic. he never went to the military. he made some excuse up he had

bone spurs. is cap this country -- he kept this country and save. especially -- he kept this country is safe especially with the documents in mar-a-lago. he projects constantly. i'm going to vote for biden again. i wish president biden was younger but he is not. i think it is got it together. i keep hearing about 4025. they have investigated all these media outlets. a loss of the trump -- a lot of the trump these media outlets. a loss of the investigators havt investigated biden because there's nothing to it. i thought donald trump did nothing for four years. he created 5.2 million jobs and

loss 7.4 million jobs when he left. i wish people would read that mueller report. it does show the russians did collude. donald trump did obstruct. host: patrice in south carolina. on the democrats line who is opposing the nomination, the reelection of joe biden. good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call. it baffles me flow why you allowed her to tell two lies on sean. trump is never gotten convicted -- two lies on donald trump. trump is never gotten convicted on rape. the mainstream media is the biggest weapon used against

american people because you all are propagandist now. you have to look at places like youtube and other media corporations to relay your news, it has gotten bad. let me go on to say, vinnie johnson on youtube reported that the house committee has gotten up to 5 million in bribes. they have bank records and llcs to the biden family bribe allegations. as well as they expect to get up to 30 million. we have been talking about trump, trump. when are you going to have segments on this bribe for joe biden? host: we have done several,

multiple segments on the hunter biden investigation. will continue to follow that as those hearings continue on capitol hill. in texas, we go to daniel. daniel, you're on the air. caller: the thing is people misunderstand when trump was in office for four years, we had the best economy in the world. when hillary ran against donald trump, she spent $30 million. when she loss come she turned around and sold $30 million with the plutonium to north korea. north korea is not our allies. they're not done anything to hilary about selling $30 million

of u.s. plutonium to north korea. it does not make any sense. host: daniel in texas. this is from the washington post and analysis by dan and perry stein created democracy at a with defended candidate trumps run portends ugly in unpredictable and ugly events, legal experts fear. america's institutions they write attacked repeatedly over the past half-dozen years. thanks and possibly to the conduct and actions of donald trump the next 18 months could further undermine confidence in democracy and the rule of law as a former president seeks to return to the white house while defending himself against federal and criminal charges. they write nice as the vietnam war in 1960's or mid-19th century before the civil war as the country of any structure face such disunity and peril given the unprecedented nature of federal crime indictments of

a former president compounded by the fact trump has been charged by the justice department, the administration of a democrat, who defeated him in those who thousand 20 and likely general election upon it in 2024 if companies i'm late again by the private -- republican party -- if trump is nominated again by the republican party. there is more coming up we are joined by scott kennedy with the center for strategic and international studies. we talk u.s. china relations focus on the trip going on the secretary of state in china this weekend. later darrell davis is here to talk about his personal efforts to combat racism in the u.s. ♪ >> august, 1955, emmett till in

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operation. shop the father's day sale going on now at c-spanshop.org. >> "washington journal" continues. host: joining us is scott kennedy, senior advisor of chinese business and economics trustee chair at the center for strategic and international studies with us this segment to talk about the administration's relations with china and specifically on the trip by the secretary of state this weekend to china. scott kennedy, good morning, welcome to "washington journal." guest: good morning. host: what you think the secretary's number one goal is? what is he trying to accomplish? guest: i think the purpose of secretary blinken's trip to beijing is quite simple. it is to try to eliminate the misunderstandings the chinese have about american policy towards china, broader foreign policy, and to listen

and try to understand the motivations behind what the chinese are doing in order to reduce misunderstanding, miscalculation, the possibility of a crisis. that is by far the most important thing he wants to achieve from this trip, and he needs to do so because we have not been communicating much with each other the past few years. there are a lot of issues which could turn quite terribly and a crisis emerge if we don't step up communications. host: this is the first visit by a senior biden administration official to china, correct? guest: yes, it is. last time secretary of state visited china was five years ago. so we have not had the level of communication at a senior level for quite some time. the secretary of state have met

their counterparts in other cities around the world outside of beijing. but the level of contact really is extremely low given the depth of our connectivity, the number of political and security issues where we are bumping up against each other, and that could become crises so the level of communication really needs to increase dramatically. host: ostensibly, the visit was postponed shortly after the surveillance spy balloon. the chinese spy balloon was spotted flying over the u.s. and downed over the u.s. in february of this year. but as you pointed out, there are a number of other issues that the administration -- that the two nations have in conflict with each other. if secretary blinken can walk away with this meeting with one notable step, what do you think that would be? guest: sure. just to say it was not

ostensibly canceled because of the balloon incident. it was definitely because of the balloon incident, so no need to really guess there. i think if he walks away with a sense of the chinese really understanding why the u.s. has a very hawkish approach towards china, why we are working with our allies in concert on china and other issues where we disagree, that would be, and what the pathway for china to take to improve the relationship, that would be positive. if there is possibility to find areas of cooperation, that would be icing on the cake, but that is not the number one goal. host: this comes at a time where there are great concerns too over the use of technology, particularly artificial intelligence, ai. how much of an issue is this between the u.s. and china? guest: i think there is a whole variety of issues around technology that the u.s. and

china need to discuss. some of that can occur between the secretary of state and his counterpart. also, other parts of the u.s. government, commerce, treasury, etc., need to jump in for that conversation as well. certainly, the u.s. is worried about china's use of american technology for its military and intelligence. we are also worried about how technology like artificial intelligence could be increasingly misused for purposes that not only would threaten the u.s. military but our global economy and society. and we need to communicate about what the rules of the road should be for ai and other technologies. we have to really understand the level of communication in the last five years, particularly the last three since the pandemic, is at a historic low since the last 70 years.

the level of communication was far higher, even when our relations were far worse than they are now. host: do you think the administration of president xi views the administration of joe biden more skeptically than they did of donald trump? guest: yes. in fact, i think they do. i think they thought they could negotiate and do deals with donald trump and distract him. and they did. president trump visited china, hosted xi jinping, negotiated the so called one trade deal, had a pretty good relationship personally and did not really criticize china's political system the way it is now. i think in some ways despite the ups and downs in the relationship then, the chinese felt they could manipulate trump

to their betterment. i think they see the biden administration as much more ideological. they have also done a very good job of bringing on u.s. allies in east asia and europe and also promoting the development of american technologies and our infrastructure. those are significant challenges to the chinese that they did not face before. host: scott kennedy is our guest. he is an expert on china with the center for strategic and international studies. we are talking about u.s.-china relations, talking about the trip the secretary of state this weekend to china, the first of major administration officials. as scott kennedy put it up to first secretary of state in five years. we welcome your calls and comments. (202) 748-8001 is the republican line. (202) 748-8000 for democrats. and for independents and others, it is (202) 748-8002.

with scott kennedy, a major topic for the u.s. has to be covid-19. both the alleged origins of covid-19, a high priority among investigations in this country and the chinese response to that. guest: i think it is certainly possible that covid could come up in these discussions in part because of the question of origin, but not as an academic question or adjustably getting the chinese to admit the reality. it is also about how to deal with the potential of future pandemics. we are going to have future pandemics. we have to be able to work together to try and limit how damaging they are. that means being able to surveilled new pathogens, being able to build infrastructure to deal with those who get sick, and we don't have the extent of that level of cooperation.

that is why the covid pandemic was so harmful to the rest of the world. that should come up and should be on the agenda for the u.s. and china going forward. host: there is an article in the "washington post" this morning that blinken arrives in beijing amid a fisher and u.s.-china relations. they talk about what china has done worldwide, their relationship with saudi arabia, for example. but they point out that beijing can ill afford a long standoff with washington. they write that facing an economic slowdown, soaring youth unemployment, and an anemic investment, china is keen to host secretary ellen, secretary raimondo to address technology researches on china as part of the pro-business push, they met with bill gates on friday, a meeting that followed visits to

beijing by jamie dimon of morgan chase, the starbucks ceo, and tesla and twitter ceo elon musk. guest: sure. i think there has been a lot of criticism about the depths of interdependence between the u.s. and china. and certainly, the united states needs to be concerned about being over reliant on china for critical minerals, for its market because that gives china leverage in certain areas of our relationship. but that interdependence goes two ways. the chinese are dependent on the united states and the west as well. that is a tempering tool that helps try to moderate chinese foreign policy. so we are seeing the chinese reach out to europe, to the business community, to the united states because they know where their economic bread and butter is. it is not with russia. it is with the west. in fact, in these talks that are occurring this weekend and will continue tomorrow, i think

actually the chinese have a stronger need for these talks to go well than washington. host: in terms of russia, the presidents of both countries have been much closer it seems during the war with ukraine. will that issue be raised by secretary blinken, and to what effect? what with the u.s. like to see china do in terms of their relation, their support or acknowledgment of the conflict in ukraine? guest: ukraine has been a topic of u.s.-china conversations for some time. back before russia invaded the u.s., presented evidence to the chinese about putin's plans to invade, the likelihood of it. it appears the chinese did not believe that evidence and therefore did not put their foot down or conveyed to putin their

opposition to an invasion, and then they soon after issued the joint declaration just as the olympics were in beijing and were underway. since then, they have been on opposite sides of this conflict. i think the u.s. will continue to raise china's position about the war and also explain why the u.s. is doing what it is doing. chinese propaganda emphasizes that the war is really a result of the u.s.'s desire to extend nato east and u.s. arms, western arms are fueling the war. that is not the position of washington, and it is not going to be how this war comes to an end. i think this -- actually, i think the u.s. wants to put more pressure on china to put more pressure on putin and that

russia needs to take steps to end this war. it is up to them, and china can play a role in that. the chinese might also talk about postwar reconstruction of ukraine. so there is a lot of different issues around the war where the two sides need to talk. host: a follow-up question on that, scott, from someone in bakersfield, california. can mr. kennedy tell us how and what kind of support china is providing russia to exterminate the ukrainian people, he says? guest: certainly, the level of information we have is nothing like the level of u.s. government, but what is public is russian and chinese commercial trade has increased a lot. the chinese have continued to buy oil from russia. this is technically consistent with the sanctions the u.s. and the west have against russia. but nevertheless, china's

commercial relationship with russia has grown. we do not have evidence china has provided direct lethal military assistance to russia. that is something the u.s. has brought up with the chinese time and time again and probably is part of the conversation this weekend in beijing. but broadly, aside from that level of support the chinese may be providing or not providing, it is their political public support, at least not opposition, to what the russians are doing. they don't frame this as a russian aggressive invasion of ukraine. and so it is both about what the substance is an the framing where the u.s. and china differ on this. host: obviously, a lot of topics to touch on. we have not gotten to taiwan either, and we will. our guest is scott kennedy from the center for strategic and international studies. (202) 748-8001, the line for republicans.

democrats, use (202) 748-8000. independents and others, (202) 748-8002. we will go first to apex, north carolina on the republican line. good morning. caller: good morning, mr. kennedy. i just want to ask a targeted question about trying to get a full understanding of where china really stands at this point in terms of its economic ability. i hear a lot of things that sort of teeter totter and move the fulcrum around. some people say the economic woes of china are very met at the state, and some say it is a sleeping giant that is still there but it has become more consolidated. can you give a more clear picture about exactly where the economic foothold is an background currently resides within china? that way we can understand this relationship to us and a little insight into why taiwan might play into that as well. guest: sure. that is great question.

i think some people like to either conclude that china has so many economic problems that it is going to collapse because of its debt in state owned enterprises or that it is the leader in technologies across the board from ai to electric vehicles and will eat america's lunch and is the world next inevitable economic superpower. it is a combination of both. china has made tremendous economic progress in the last 40 years, grown faster longer than just about any country ever, and it has made progress in a whole variety of technologies. at the same time, it has huge problems. it is in the middle of going over a demographic cliff. it has, because of zero covid and its response -- it is not recovering quickly. china will never see the 8% to 10% growth it has had in the past. its relationship with the west,

which has helped fuel its development, is at as low as it has been in the last 50 years. china has huge potential. it has made a lot of progress but faces enormous problems as well. i think i have used in the past the analogy of calling china a fact-check dragon. highly successful in everything technology but inefficient. we can call it a slow tech dragon. that present opportunities and challenges for the united states. that is why we have seen the u.s. invest more in technological capabilities and looking to diversify sources of supply and also put pressure on the chinese to try and ensure american technology does not go into china's military, which with regard to taiwan, taiwan is the world's biggest supplier of manufactured semi conductor chips. the chinese, the americans, the rest of the world all depend on

taiwan. we are going to continue to depend on taiwan, even as we invest in our own capacity. that is a big reason why we need to figure out how to keep the peace and war from breaking up because that would be devastating to everybody. host: and on taiwan, the national security advisor jake sullivan quoted in politico in their headline "biden has not changed u.s. policy on taiwan." jake sullivan was on the gbs program on cnn reiterating the administration's policy. scott kennedy, have a listen to what the national security advisor has to say. [video clip] >> the most dangerous spot in the world perhaps is taiwan right now. there is some contradiction in the administration's strategy. it keeps the same and policies on trade and the one china policy, all the various declarations after that.

president biden has four times now said unequivocally the united states will come to taiwan's assistance if there is a chinese attack on it. is president biden trying to alter the policy of strategic and beauty and be very clear about it? if that is the case, is that a change in policy? >> president biden has entered this hypothetical question on multiple occasions, as you say. he has also on multiple occasions said in the very same breath our policy to crosscheck relations between china and taiwan have not changed, that it is rooted in the one china policy. that remains the fundamental foundation of our policy. the president himself has said that. he said that directly to xi jinping. first of all, the entire taiwan policy of the united states is

built on a series of internal tensions. the one china policy if you begin to unpack it, you recognize it is about dealing in a world of internal tension within the policy and trying to maintain our policies to ensure peace and stability across the taiwan strait. this is not a model of clarity, the one china policy. that is not a biden administration issue. that has been true from the moment of the shanghai communique. but the thing is what it lacks in clarity, the one china policy has exceeded in actually achieving the practical objective of decades of peace and stability across the taiwan straight. that is why the policy has not changed. that is why we believe the one china policy should continue to ensure there are no unilateral changes to the status quo from either side and that we maintain that peace and stability across the taiwan straight for decades to come. host: scott kennedy of the center for strategic

international studies, your thoughts on this policy that jake sullivan said is not a model of clarity? guest: the u.s. is trying to balance multiple goals and multiple participants. as a result, it has found that the one china policy is a way to provide both significant deterrents and reassurance at the same time to both the taiwanese and to the chinese in beijing. depending on the news of the day answer entrance, sometimes you see a greater emphasis on deterrents towards beijing. and other times, deterrents toward taiwan. in the past few years, you have seen stepped up chinese military activity vis-a-vis taiwan, and therefore you have seen greater u.s. pressure about that one china, and that is what is

indicated by president biden's multiple statements. at the same time, i think the national security advisor is clarify for everyone that the u.s. is trying to balance the behaviors of all sides and that has worked over the last 50 plus years to avoid a war and allowed taiwan to continue to grow economically, maintain its social development, contribute to the rest of the world, and keep a crisis from breaking out. that is still american policy today. host: worth to note, the economic importance of china and tween both countries in the u.s.-china trade in 202 the countries did biness totaling $691 bilon worth of business in 2022. u.s. imports from china rose to 53billion last year as americans spent more on chinese made goods.

indexing period, u.s. exports to china rose to $154 billion. we are talking about u.s.-china relations. we will go to new haven, connecticut, next, julian on the independent line. caller: yes, good morning. how are you today? host: fine, thank you. caller: my question is based on history. the west, starting with the british, has had two wars with china. due to the recent afghanistan bumper crop of opium, do you think sending opium will be the same response to them sending fentanyl to us? that is my question. guest: thank you for the question. i think the chances of that r0. i don't think the u.s. is trying to expand trade in illicit drugs. i think it is trying to reduce and eliminate them.

one of the reasons we have to step up communication between washington and beijing as we had an agreement on how to reduce the export of fentanyl into the united states illicitly through mexico. but with chinese precursors. and we had cooperation on that, but that has not been where we are right now. and i am sure that the secretary of state is bringing this up with his chinese counterparts. host: in sylvester, georgia, we go to beau on the independent line. caller: good morning. i will only ask the guest the history of china. if you look at the long arc of the history of china's civilization, the last dynasty the projected power from china was the ming dynasty, where they traded to africa. and they were humiliated by the

western powers. you mentioned the opium wars, the results of unequal treaties that subordinated them to western powers. that is the driving force behind china's attitudes to have a deals with western nations like the u.s. and the pacific rim because they are definitely in the driver seat economically and want to be militarily. pushed back against the u.s. and other western powers. bringing it to taiwan, let me ask you this. a scenario here. they don't have to take taiwan out right. they can take some that the taiwanese owned and put pressure on the government. i want to get your response on that. guest: sure. two very good points. the first is certainly we have heard from china's leaders. and when you talk to chinese leaders about this historical legacy, colonialism and pressure against china, and china's

desire to receive the kind of respect they think they ought to have going back quite far, i do think that can be overstated. china is now richer, healthier, more powerful, more influential than ever before. and it has done that in part through having strong relations with the united states and with the west and with its neighbors. and so in some ways, china to actually be celebrating the level of success and influence that has achieved and recognizing that comes through good relations with us, not opposed to the united states, but part of that relationship. i think that the chances of china continuing to succeed and grow and remain influential is also going to be aligned with

having a good relationship with the united states and with others. if it turns against the united states or continues to oppose a set every front -- us at every front, that will hurt china's ability to succeed, and that is part of the message the secretary is conveying in his meetings in beijing now. host: the wall street journal reported a couple month ago about the growth of china's military spending, military spending growth to accelerate to 7.2% by the chinese this year. to what end? what are the chinese trying to do with that increased military spending? guest: certainly, china's military spending has grown a lot over the last several decades. in part, china is a very large country with many countries that border it by land and sea. so it has to defena great deal of interest.

its military capabilities were quite deficient prior to the reform and opening era when mao was primarily able to fight border wars in north korea and elsewhere, so they have tried to catch up. in addition, they are obviously focused on taiwan and the u.s. that is the number one contingency the chinese have been preparing for. just to go back to the previous caller's question that i did not answer, mike they chinese try to take one of the elder taiwanese islands as a way to put pressure on the taiwanese? i don't think so. if they did that, if they took it, which is probably less than a direct assault on taiwan, it would generate the same kind of negative response the u.s. and west have imposed on russia for

ukraine. that would be absolutely devastating to china's economy. china would then be treated like a rogue and that is absolutely what it is trying to avoid, so i think that kind of scenario is probably less likely than something like a blockade of taiwan. but i still think even that is not likely right now because even though it has invested a lot in its military, it is still likely that any type of conflict with the u.s. would be devastating to it militarily. it would probably threaten the communist party's hold on power, and i think that is why people need to give the one china policy some credit, because it has worked. we know it has worked because there has not been conflict and we have to continue to try and provide the right balance of determineds and reassurance -- deterrence and reassurance to keep a war from breaking out. host: in terms of the economic and military presence in the region, in the asia-pacific

region, are there any historic similarities to what japan attempted to do in the 1930's and 1940's? guest: i don't think that is the right analogy because i think so far, yes, the chinese have pushed back on the united states vis-a-vis taiwan and focused on trying to solidify control of their border areas on the northern border against the russians, with india, trying to strengthen their hold on the south china sea. at the same time, the chinese have at least so far tried to have their global economic relationships fall within the guidelines of the wto and other international arrangements. certainly, they are trying to expand their power and influence, but they are not try

to create another greater east asian coprosperity. it is as independent with the western world as it has ever been. the military is ensconced in the region with deep relationships with japan, the philippines, and others. in fact, those relationships are expanding, not decreasing. even though the chinese would like to be far more influential, have the u.s. be less influential on the region, we have a situation that really still does not look anything yet like the 1930's. host: let's hear from jason on our democrats line in sun city and florida. go ahead. caller: yes, thank you for taking my call. first thing, taiwan has been getting ready for over 50 years for china to attack. that is never going to happen. secondly, i often hear the

statement that china is stealing our intellectual property. could you give me a few examples of the most egregious stealing of intellectual properties? thank you. guest: sure, sure. i guess the first thing is the chances of war in the taiwan strait are significant. but i still think based on the investments in military efforts by the united states by the taiwanese, by others, there is still a balance of power that makes the likelihood of war still lower than some fear. but i think we have to be entirely vigilant and there is a lot of things the taiwanese can do better, including civilian defense, to make themselves less likely to be attacked or better able to respond if there is an outbreak of hostilities.

host: a question for you. go ahead, i'm sorry. guest: on ip, i think china's protection of ip has actually improved. if you look at the surveys of foreign businesses in china, ip has been much lower than in the past of a but there is still significant major cases around the solar industry in certain kinds of technologies related, semi conductors, aircraft. there are a lot of cases that companies have taken to court or sought relief on. computer software is quite significant in the billions of dollars year after year. counterfeit products as well that have come into the united states. this is not a figment of american imagination, but i would say over time that things

have improved some, even though we still need to be vigilant. host: question for you on twitter from tony, who says, has this expert travel throughout the caribbean and central america and seen the extent to which china has extended its influence in our backyard? what are his thoughts? guest: certainly, china is the number one trading country for most countries on the planet, not just east asia, latin america, the caribbean as well. an increasing investor as well. so you will see both products from china and chinese companies on the ground around the world, including in the caribbean. certainly, the u.s. and others are paying great attention to this and trying to respond with significant policies that help stabilize the region economically, that help them with development, not be dependent on chinese loans for infrastructure, but have other

sources, including from the united states, latin american countries trying to make it so they can be more resilient, less dependent on china. but yes, you see china has a global economic power, not just a regional one. host: let's go to mike calling from cleveland on the independent line. caller: how are you? host: great, thank you. caller: i was calling -- i am calling in as an independent. a lot of phone calls come in and there are some disputes or what have you, and one thing i think most can agree on that we are all concerned about, open borders. i just pray that everybody can get together, all the parties, and try to figure out how to keep this country safe, if you will. we are all concerned about it. we need to. for example, there is a site out

there called against american borders.com. i hope everyone can join together, all parties, and try to figure out how to slow the sling down or stop it. it is very nervous. a lot of people are worried. host: focusing on u.s.-china relations, scott kennedy, wanted to redo some comments of the chair of the house foreign affairs committee. he said the biden administration is holding back atiol security actions to chase fruitless wit the ccp, the chinese ist rty. ile diplomacy is an important tool, it cannot come at the expense of our national security. they say secretary blinken must mo forward with sanctions and export controls and prioritize the projection of american interest during discussions with ccp officials. guest: sure.

i understand that in washington, d.c., u.s.-china policy is receiving more attention than ever, and congress is more active than ever. over 400 pieces of legislation in the 116th and 117th congress. we are now in the 118th. already, 200 plus pieces in the new committee. more trouble than ever to taiwan. all of this is welcome attention. i do think it is important to recognize the biden administration's policies on china are about as hawkish as the u.s. has ever had in the last five or six decades. certainly, the u.s. is very clear about its position about political systems and its defense of democracies and its worries about authoritarian systems, including china. the united states has developed

much closer relations with its allies in asia and europe in the wake of russia's invasion of ukraine and put a want of pressure on china and tried to make sure they don't provide any type of legal assistance to russia and also suggested that this is also increasing folks' worries about taiwan. uic greater restrictions on chinese technology. export controls, preparation for potential extension restrictions on investment in china. all of that is going on every single day and is not going to be slowed up by these talks. i think it is really important to recognize communication is not any kind of confession, that it is important the chinese understand what american policy is and what is motivating it and we understand what they are doing.

this is an academic conversation. we really want to avoid a crisis from breaking out. i think it is important that we recognize how significant that type of communication is, and it is not slowing down the u.s. in any of these other ways to defend our national security. host: let's go to donald calling from bell grove village, illinois. hi there. caller: i can go on for hours about china. i have been watching them since the 1970's. people don't realize they infiltrated our country horrendously. let me say this. 450,000 chinese in america and i figure 20% are spies. in 1998, we sent back a professors from berkeley for stealing our technology. in 1998, they caught two shipping containers with chinese shoulder surface-to-air missiles. i told people you have to check your containers. about one year after 9/11, i saw c-span say we have to check

containers, they only check 1%. don't forget clintons got $40 million from the chinese. china is like crazy in iowa. they should not own one acre of land. neither the russians. host: someone brought up the chinese buying american property. what is the truth behind that? guest: certainly, americans and not american citizens at the moment are able to buy property in the united states. though there are bills and some states have passed laws banning or restricting or acquiring certain kinds of approvals for chinese buying property, certainly there are chinese companies that have been buying property because they have been building factories, and there are chinese individuals who have bought residential properties.

the overall level of chinese purchases of american land and real estate are far less than even 0.1% of total american property. it is really teeny. there are real reasons to be concerned about china with regard to land when it is near military bases or other types of government installations, and there is a process already on the books. the committee on foreign investment in the united states can review those, and i have turned some of those efforts back. at the same time, i don't think we have to overreact. certainly have to be concerned about certain kinds of purchases, but so far, the record is not terribly worrying we do have mechanisms in place to protect our national security. host: i want to go back to technology for a second in particular ev's, electronic vehicles. an interesting article in which

you were quoted. the question in the headline, can the world like an electric car battery without china? you are quoted as saying essentially, no, we can't. they point out in this article the supply chain on making a battery for ev. expand on that a little bit in terms of being able to at least onshore some of that process for making a domestically made ev battery here in the united states. guest: the united states on the street has gone very slow in the development of electric vehicles. certainly we have developed a lot of technology, including with batteries and the whole propulsion system for electric vehicles, charging infrastructure, but we have not invested in scaling it up. we have gone much more slowly than we should have, and the chinese have taken advantage of that through collaboration with global automakers, global battery makers. china is now the world's largest

electric vehicle battery maker providing electric vehicles to automakers in europe, asia, and starting to collaborate with the united states. the chinese invested in that sector faster than the united states. and as a result, they now are dominant from raw materials through batteries and are starting now to export in significant numbers. just in terms of the first quarter of 2023, china is the world's largest auto exporter. so in order for the u.s. to be a much more significant player in electric vehicles, we have to make sure our auto companies electrify their fleet and we have infrastructure for charging ubiquitous around the united states, that we develop recycling options so we are not as dependent on raw materials like we are now, and that we make electric vehicles affordable for everybody. right now, electric vehicles are

so expensive that it is a small segment of the population i can afford them, so we need to find a way to have more affordable vehicles available for others and we will be able to compete effectively with the chinese and be less dependent, but that is a long-term project. right now if you will be big and electric vehicles, have to collaborate with the chinese in some element of the supply chain. host: one more call for you. new york city, bob, you are on, democrats line. caller: thank you for taking my call. as we know, china bought our debt. we are $9 trillion in debt to china owed at the moment. this all started during the bush administration when we started the iraq war with afghanistan, and we started to finance a war for the first time by selling our debt to china.

how devastating was that particular situation to us for our relationship with china as it goes forward now? are we scared they could cash out on the deck they want and crush us at any particular time? guest: it is a good question. people have been asking about this for a long time. just a little bit of context. u.s. total debt, we can all look online, $32 trillion right now. about $10 trillion or $12 trillion are held in the public, including some portion of that by foreign governments. chinese government holdings of u.s. debt right now, around 870 billion dollars, so $870 billion of $32 trillion.

japanese are the number one holders of overseas debt by the united states, a little bit more than the chinese. $870 billion is a lot to you and me, but out of $32 trillion, it is relatively small. it has come down about $100 billion the last two years. the chinese sold off some of their debt. my sense is that really even if the chinese told all of that, the effect on the american interest rates are negligible and it would end up hurting attorneys because the value of those bonds would fall, so i don't see that as significant leverage against the united states that would put us in harm's way or our economy that they could hold us hostage, but we are highly interdependent with the chinese and in some ways that creates weaknesses for us in some areas of pharmaceuticals and some areas of electric vehicles as we were just discussing. china is a huge market and we may need to change some of that

dependence but interdependence with china comes with weaknesses but also opportunities. it is important for our national interest so we have to find a way to reduce the vulnerabilities we have, but totally cutting off ever commercial relationship with china or financial relationship with china is not a panacea to the challenges we have. we have a complicated relationship with china. we will for a long time because they are not going away, and that is why we need to manage these differences, and i think that is why the secretary of state is in beijing this weekend. host: scott kennedy is senior advisor of chinese business and economics trustee chair at the center for strategic and international studies. we appreciate you joining us this morning here on "washington journal." guest: my pleasure. host: still to come on this morning's program, a bit later on a musician, author, and activist darrell davis is with us, here to talk about his latest efforts to combat racism

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following in the news. (202) 748-8001 is the republican line. democrats line is (202) 748-8000 . independents and others, (202) 748-8002. we did not get to updating the stories. we talked with scott kennedy about the secretary of state's travels to china. as he pointed out, the first secretary of state in five years to go to that country. this is the report within the hour of the associated press. there are diplomatic correspondent for the ap -- t heir diplomatic correspondent for the ap traveling with terry blinken. he kicks off on a high-stakes mission to cooling tension. secretary of state blinken kicked off two days of high-stakes diplomatic talks in beijing aimed at trying to cool exploding u.s.-china tensions that set many around the world on edge. he open his program by meeting the chinese foreign minister for an extended discussion to be

followed by a working dinner and will have additional talks as well as with china's top diplomat and possibly president xi jinping on monday. neither blinken nor quinn made substantive -- qin made substantive comments as they began in the statehouse. let's get your thoughts on the open forum. bob is in broadview heights, ohio, democrats line. caller: yes. my name is bob from broadview heights, a suburb of cleveland. actually, i might have dialed the wrong line. i am a republican. i am calling in regards to a previous caller that was talking about the open borders. there was a website called americans against open borders.com that i was looking at. i would like to know what your opinion is in regards to

why it is so blatantly wide open and they are not doing anything about it. host: this show is about your opinion, bob. what do you think about it? caller: i think it is a blatant attack on america, is what i believe. it is a concern. a lot of the things that are going on with drug dealers coming through. i was downtown yesterday, last night at a beautiful restaurant. there was an ambulance there, and it had been somebody that overdosed. you cannot say it was directly related to that, but that is a big concern, to see something going on like that all over the country. and to see it firsthand is really shocking more than ever. but i just wanted to touch base and get a feel for what is going on out there because i think everybody is on high alert with this thing. democrats, republicans,

everybody. host: all right, thanks for your call. we will go to alice. alice is in walker, iowa. alice in walker, the louisiana. caller: louisiana. host: yes. caller: louisiana. host: yep. caller: what i am calling about is when you first answer the phone, ask the people, what station are they listening to? are they listening to cnn or fox news? that is why i called and. thank you. host: why do you think that is important, alice? caller: i think it is important because i don't believe all the news is put on either station. i believe that cnn hardly ever put anything that is positive

about trump. and everybody knows biden is not really running the country. thank you. host: in worcester, massachusetts, it is open forum. and susan, you are on. caller: hi. susan from worcester. host: yes, go ahead. caller: i just wanted to talk. boy, i was switching your stations and see c-span. in the person asking tough questions about biden, give me a break. one can't talk a lot his justice department is going after trump. it is election interference just like it was in 2020 with the fake ballots because of covid. this helped biden because they

changed the rules. we are strick of it -- we are sick of it. we know what is going on. and jack smith, never trumper. and his wife, never trumper. she wrote a book. come on. he looks like a serial killer. that is what jack smith looks like. they are all corrupt. joe biden taking money from ukraine and china and russia. the policy, he is helping them countries, not america. everybody knows it. thank you. host: a political rally yesterday with ron desantis in nevada. some of his campaign views. the headline in politico, dissenters takes aim at the mitchell criminal reform law. former governor ron desantis called it a jailbreak bill. the full vice president said we need to take a step back from it. former arkansas governor hutchinson proclaimed there is probably some areas that can be adjusted.

all were taking aim at president donald trump's signature firststep act, a 2018 law that ushered in modest changes to the criminal justice system by addressing over incarceration and prioritizing rehabilitation and reduced recidivism. it was for a time one of the major achievements touted by trump and his team, hailed as evidence that conservatives could achieve what liberals couldn't come a reduction in racial disparities in federal sentencing. now, trump barely talks about the law, even as his rivals for the 2024 nomination attack it as a chief contributor to the rise in violent crime. read more at politico.com. in shreveport, louisiana, on the democrats line. caller: yes. thanks for taking my call. host: you bet. caller: i am an 80-year-old veteran. i wonder, why are we grouchy about china being the big boys

nowadays and we made them? we killed all the unions and stuff in america so why are we worried about china being ahead to an extent? that is my thought. thank you, sir. host: all right, and washington, d.c., independent line, this is grant. go ahead. caller: hi there. i just wanted to observe the israel lobby, aipac, and the israelis are pushing the u.s. for saudi arabia to give israel special trade and diplomatic access under a so-called abraham accords. the saudis say no deal until there is a palestinian state. the secretary of state and president are just spending tons of bandwidth on these abraham accords, which basically divvy up territories saying israelis get to keep the west bank and all of jerusalem and golan

heights and the western zahara. morocco can take all of that, so it is really interesting. but americans should be aware there is a free audio podcast and paperback on how israel set up aipac in the 1950's and 1960's called how israel made aipac, the most harmful foreign influence in america. this is just american presidents and congress thought being led around the host: to dorsett, ohio. dac is on the line. caller: good morning. i have been listening to c-span since he went on the air. one of the things millions of americans are concerned is with the open border program by the

biden administration. we don't want been orders. one of the things i found out and heard someone calling from ohio mentioning the website, americans against open borders. it is a wonderful thing to go to. they have the idea how we could shut down the borders and stop the illegal aliens coming into the country. everybody should go to this. it would be remarkable with they can learn. host: unto north bend, oregon to sharon on the democrats line. caller: i wanted to talk about president biden. one thing that is happening he benefits from the colombo effect . he is friendly, competent and

relentless. behind the scenes, he is still working. he has gotten very little credit from handling the things that happened from the previous guy. the cruelty and the lawlessness that you see. at the same time, like colombo, he is still at it and doing the right thing and still working to help the american people is amazingly competent. i am hearing a little less about he is in his data -- he is in

top form. host: extensive coverage of the u.s. mexico border in an article, bidens dilemma at the border, america's broken immigration system is a national fight but lacks the political will to fix it. a report of a helicopter above the mexican border, texas troopers search for people crossing the united states estate through over the neighborhood of west el paso radio crackled with border control agents on the ground below calling out migrants who were evading them. the helicopter was dispatched to staunch the flow of migrants across the border in record numbers in the past two years. following afternoon, over the west texas scrubland when border patrol reported a thousand migrants were charging the border at the edge of el paso.

we need your help, the agent said. he says broadly speaking the people who enter fall into two groups, the first includes those who sneak in and try to evade capture and the second includes asylum-seekers who either apply at official ports of make their way across the border and offer themselves up for arrest. since early 2021, the second group has grown strikingly. the article said new yorker.com and you can read more from the reporting from the u.s. mexico border. to sophia in manhattan, new york, independent in. caller: form -- warm -- good morning. i wanted to thank c-span for the job you do for all of us. from 7:00 a.m. until 8:00 a.m.

was more than five, it called in and they were lawyers and newsmax and fox news, two of them i noticed their voice. they were back to back and peter was so patient and calm. they said are you a lawyer and they went left and right and finally they admitted. it c-span, keep doing a good job. yes we are in a bad situation right now in our country and c-span is our home. we have smart people calling,

and dumb people like the calling, intelligent people calling. this is very good for us. one more thing -- two months ago a guy called and said to you, what is c-span's pulling number. you smiled and said i don't know. they are getting a little better on fox now, maybe because they have been sued. so i think you all and i appreciate you. can i ask you a question? c-span was created in 1979. i to know the month, because

that is the month my beautiful son was born in october. host: it was march 1979. caller: thank you and have a good day. i appreciate you. host: we go to oakland, maryland, patricia on the republican line. caller: i think think trump shoe

put back in there, at least when he was in there we could afford to eat and buy gas. gas. people are starving and they need to cut wages and all the fancy entertaining they. host: you are getting confused. mute your television and then continue. caller: go ahead with your comment. caller: the problem we have in the united states is all the haters. we as american citizens need to make sure this scoundrel never returns because he can't be trusted with intelligence and

all these kinds of things. we need somebody we can trust in there that is going to stand up to putin and save our democracy. not to mention that he is a terrible individual. anytime you see a guy who makes fun of a paraplegic or another helpless individual, he isn't good. host: to georgia on the independent line. caller: i would like to talk about the border. all i can say is book banning. what is the history of texas, california, arizona. they are book banning because they don't want you to know that history of those particular states. on a student loan debt, the problem i have is the republicans forget and they

forgave hitler's and nazi germany. and they want to do it in the united states to forgive nancy germany and hitler's debt. now they said they don't want to forget our students who haven't killed 6 million jews. at a big problem with that. germany now has the fourth largest economy on earth after their debt was forgiven after world war ii. thank you. host: an interesting piece in the washington post, and editorial from a contribute -- contributing columnists, the headline is "biden should pardon trump." in his 2020 speech joe biden declared that to everything there is a season, a time to build, reap, sow, and heal.

he could do this with one action, pardon donald trump. on the merits case against trump is damming and the former presidents problems are of his own making. he allegedly showed a writer classified information that this is secret santa look at this era he obstructed the fbi -- this is a secret, and look at this. he said wouldn't it be better if we just told him we didn't have anything here. had he simply returned the documents, trump almost certainly would not have been charged. his misconduct was agreed just, irresponsible and probably criminal. anyone else would seek a plea bargain. his indictment has also put our

nation into uncharted territory, the threshold for the sitting president's administration to indict the opposing party should be extraordinarily high. the suspicion held by 80% of republicans that have the nation so space charges are politically motivated. millions of americans believe the legal system is being weaponized against them and trump. don is in pennsylvania on the republican line. go ahead. caller: thank you. i have been listening to all of these people and a lady was on and was correct about biden being corrupt and america knowing about the cheating in 2020. if they do to biden what they did to trump, he would shoot himself.

i think america knows all of the media is biased against trump. my local station here it says they are not biased and they are biased. they praised biden and give trump the dirt. you think 2020 and january 6 was bad, if they cheat in 2024, we will reset. host: next caller. caller: donald trump was arraigned last week. i read with the republicans had a hearing honoring the insurrectionists in the capital complex. representative matt gaetz said marjorie taylor greene and four other right wing lawmakers held a hearing that honored participants in the riot, family

members of the january 6 writers and organizers of the attempted overthrow of the 2020 vote. i am wondering what the republicans are all about. why would they honor these people? it is a stain on democracy. how could they honor these people? the republicans say they are the party of law and order. that is baloney. they do not want to control anything about controlling guns. i am wondering what the republicans are doing. congress is holding the sham hearings about joe biden, about hunter biden. why don't we go into looking at trump's family.

he is as dirty as can be and terrible for the country. host: catherine is up in anaheim, california on the independent line. caller: thank you for providing this forum. i wanted to make a comment. there were a couple of colors: about a website americans against open borders and i just looked at the website. i wanted to just share this with everybody. i am a personal victim of two illegal aliens that were hiding in my house. it is very upsetting to me because i came home late at night after being out and my door was locked but i opened it up and i could smell body odor and nobody in the house lives there but me and i called the

police and if they had not came out and apprehended two of those illegal aliens, i don't know what would've happened to me. kudos to the police and that website. it is awesome. please look at it and make your comments known to everybody else. host: chicago, democrats line, pete, hello. caller: for two weeks all we heard from the republicans is the 1023 form. they said we don't have tapes or paperwork on the 1023 form. it was all storytelling. republicans came on c-span. what did kushner get the $2

billion for? that is what i want to know. host: much more to come on washington journal. we will be joined by musician, author, and activist daryl davis talking about his efforts to combat racism in the u.s. your calls and comments are welcome. >> robert kaplan's 21st book revolves around what he has learned from greek philosophers in william shakespeare. the university press said, kaplan employshe works of

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way back when. welcome to "washington journal. guest: inc. you for having me. -- thank you for having me. host: your first interaction on the meeting with kkk members, not surprisingly comes through music of jerry lee lewis. it tell us about that. guest: it comes through the music of black people, where jerry lewis got his style. i played in a band in maryland and the bar was known to be an all white bar. it was and had the reputation that plaques were not welcome. -- that blacks were not welcome. i was the only black person in the bar.

the band had played there before. i was with the band. i came up to the bandstand at break and i felt someone with their arm across my shoulder. i don't know anyone other than the band. it was a person 18 years my senior and had a smile on his face and said this was the first time he ever heard a black man play piano like jerry lee lewis. i was surprised that he did not know the black origin of jerry lee lewis'piano style and i told him that he got it from black blues and that is where the style came from. he is incredulous and did not believe me but i said i knew jerry lee lewis and was a good friend of mine. he was fascinated by me and

brought me to the table and bought me a drink. he clinked my glass and cheered me and said this is the only time i have ever sat down with a black man and had a drink. i asked him why just innocently. he didn't answer me and i asked him again and his buddy said tell him. he said i remember the ku klux klan. i started laughing at him. i know a lot about the klan. when i was laughing he went into his pocket and flipped through it and handed me his clan -- k lan membership card. and i said this is for real and i stopped laughing and i gave it back. i wondered why am i sitting here

with a klansman. the man was friendly and curious about me. we talked and chatted about the klan and he gave me his phone number to call him whenever i came there. host: did you call him? caller: i called him every six weeks and whenever the band was there. host: you pointed this out, your interest in the klan starts before you met him. what started that? guest: what prompted it was how could somebody go so far as to join an organization with over a 100 year history of practicing hating people who don't look like them and don't leave as they believe?

i have just about every book written on the klan. i studied racism on my own. i have books on lack supremacy -- black supremacy and white supremacy. how can you hate somebody when you don't even know them? so now i had this interaction with this klansman and it took me by surprise. it didn't dawn on me that i should keep a relationship with him and be introducing -- introduced to some klan members before i wrote my book. host: you could not have seen this coming. you were a musician but you are interested in the klan you are at a table and further meetings with klan members.

how many over the course of your research would you say you talked to and met and interviewed, not only for your book but the documentary on you? guest: i spoke to hundreds. but over 200 have left that ideology and renounced it because of our conversations which would evolve eventually into friendships. host: what is the reason they give you mostly? guest: there are two reasons. one is they give me the reason for disliking people like me because in their minds or they have been taught we are prone to crime, lazy and born with smaller brains with -- than white people. they say this is evidenced by the fact that black children score lower on the sats every year than white kids, which is

true and the data does show that. the data just simply confirms they are already biased so they don't bother to look beyond the data. if you look beyond the data, you find out where most of the black kids go to school which is in the city and the white kids go to school in the suburbs. the city schools are not as good as the suburbs. it has nothing to do with the color of the child's skin or the size of the brain but everything to do with the educational system the child is enrolled. host: we were fortunate because we grew up in the suburbs and went to a good high school. in your case, you were one of the few black kids in the mostly white high school. so the experience of people

going to schools in the inner-city must've been as alien to you as it was to a white guy like me. guest: yes and i went to an inner-city school in boston and believe it or not, my parents were with the u.s. state department and we had just come back from overseas from assignment and were in boston. i went to an inner-city school at fourth-grade and we had to move to the suburbs because the school was so bad. in fourth grade, the kids were still learning their abcs. i am not joking. host: was that inner-city school in boston mostly black? guest: there were some white teachers and a couple of white kids. integration was still coming in here you had the bussing going on. host: daryl davis is our guest. we are talking about racism in

the u.s. the lines are republicans (202) 748-8001, democrats (202) 748-8000, and independents (202) 748-8002. you made an interesting comment that kkk and groups like it involve the practice of hating people. you have to actually follow rules and those organizations of hating people. what did you learn about the practice of hating people that the kkk teaches? guest: no interracial dating, marriage. you have to have a job to pay your mortgage and bills and you may be working with people outside of your race, but they believe black people, white people, jewish, and others are racist. race is a man-made construct and

there is only one race, man. when you get off work, you don't go to happy hour with them or socialize. you only work with them as a means to an end, to pay your bills. host: you have been in the music business for 50 years or so. guest: you are dating me. host: i am there with you, my friend. guest: i hear you. host: is racism prevalent in the music business? guest: unfortunately, yes it is. host: how so? guest: you look at most of the genres of music in this country that were created by black people. even country music, hank williams senior, who i love, learned to play guitar from a black guitar player. in exchange for lessons, he

would give him sandwiches that his mother would make. hank would go as a teenager and play this man -- watch this man play. rock and roll, chuck berry invented rock and roll. little richard, fats domino and they were popularized by white musicians. rhythm and blues, bb king, robert johnson. but when people think of blues, they think air clapton and many other great names. i am not taking anything away from eric clapton and stevie ray vaughn, but that is where they got it from. unfortunately the eric clapton's and stevie ray bonds get -- stevie ray vaughn's get the

credit for it. the promotion of the music is predominantly pushed towards white artists more so than black ones. host: your calls and comments, (202) 748-8000 is eastern and central time zones. (202) 748-8001 four mountain and pacific. i want to play a little of the documentary on daryl davis, race in america and a little sample of that. [video clip] >> two of the greatest speeches ever given in this country for the gettysburg address by abraham lincoln and the i have a dream speech by martin luther

king. >> lack men and -- but lack men and white men -- black men and white men. >> i call this stepping on the dream. i'm daryl davis. i am a musician, author, lecturer. people always say to me, white to have this and why don't you burn it? you don't burn the history. >> how are you doing? >> you put this on. we have members as young as 18 and junior klan members. >> what can we do together?

>> help further the white race. ♪ >> how can you hate to meet when you don't know me? tell me to my face why you would lynch me. >> this country has been through a lot. >> it has a long way to go. >> we are men we should all be men. >> society has determined that we should fear the black man. >> allow them to air their views. ♪ >> i never set out to convert anybody. in my quest, some ended up converting themselves. ♪ themselves.

♪ >> this is some of can relate to. ♪ host: host: that man is with us, daryl davis. you mentioned the fundamental question -- how can you hate me when you don't know me? what answers do you get to that? guest: the first answer is because i was a criminal, i'm lazy and my brain is small. conversation is the greatest weapon that we have available to us to dismantle racism, yet it is the least expensive and free and yet it is the least used. people spend time talking about the other person, talking at or past the other person. why don't we spend time talking with the other person. i am a firm believer that a missed opportunity for dialogue is resolution. that is the key to how i have these conversations. when the question is asked again, the second answer is, you

know, i really don't have a reason to hate you. i'm sorry. host: do these conversations continue today? guest: yes, absolutely. host: you continue to do these conversations? guest: absolutely i am, yes. host: nancy in raleigh, new jersey. though ahead -- go ahead. caller: i would like to say that what you are talking about is the promotion of white supremacy which is practiced throughout the world. it is killing the planet. the promotion of white supremacy is killing the planet. this is a white person's problem. you keep bringing black people on to talk about a white person's problem. black people do not promote white supremacy. i am talking to people of color that we have to realize that we

share space on this planet with the most people sin to ever exist on this planet which is white people. they are promoting white supremacy and they are killing the planet. i use to try and talk to white people about how white supremacy works. that was the dumbest thing i could do. they know how white supremacy works. host: how did you try to do that? caller: by saying how prejudice works, how when you keep talking about the inner cities and cut money from certain things and you talk about schooling and how they want to cut schooling where black people live. they want to cut this and cut that. you use a lot of codewords. they steal music from us and they get the credit. host: let's get a response.

thank you for the call. guest: thank you, nancy. obviously the way you communicated with them was not as effective as the way i have been doing it. white supremacy is a problem but it is also our problem, an american problem. let's be our brother's keeper. we all are in this together and nothing gets resolved without conversation unless you want to live in a divided nation. this is the united states of america and we need to become more in a getting to know one another and educate one another. host: let's hear from james, akron ohio. caller: you know, i can -- well, i was a musician as well and spent 15 years in the music business and i remember going

into holes of 3000 or 4000 -- halls of 3000 or 4000 people in their were no black people and we performed. i can understand a lot of the things you are talking about. i have a problem with a couple of things. i talked to people about racism. at least -- i can't say all because i can't prove it, but i would say better than 90% of all the racists in this country belong to the republican party. we have lack people -- black people who go out and do things like you were talking about president biden and they don't like this and don't like that and he is not doing that.

at the same time, they don't realize they are contributing to the racist view and that brings those people out to vote republican and make a lot of black people who would have voted for biden not vote for them because they think it is better not to vote at all. we, as a people, and when i say this black people don't have to vote but we have to vote for the lesser of two evils. it is just too much that black people are not going to get at the present time. it is a little bit at a time to get to where you have to go. host: let's get a response. guest: i would not pay a broad brush against any party.

back in the day, most black people were republicans. in the 1960's we were the party because it was the party of lincoln because he freed the slaves. that changed in the 1950's with racists like barry goldwater and they flipped to the democratic party. it is hard to paint an entire party with a broad brush. the kkk was founded by democrats. it is important that we acknowledge there are racists and every party and deal with people as individuals. host: what is your view on the political debate on critical race theory and states like florida and others limiting teaching of certain subjects in black history? guest: what is happening, i

learned this in 1982 from the head of the american nazi party. i had a couple of run-ins with him and sat down and talked with this guy. what they are fearing is the year 2042, which is 19 years from now, when this country for the first time in history will become 50-50. this country was built on a two-tier society. white at the top and slavery at the bottom. as we progress, we progress never like this. when we were kids the black population was 12%, native americans, 1%, asian-pacific almost 3%. whites were 87%. today in 2020, whites are 59%. this is happening and in 2042,

it is going to be 50% white, 50% nonwhite. between 2045 and 2050, whites will become a minority and people of all different colors will become the majority. there are plenty of white people who say, i don't care, it is evolution and i don't care but there is a slice of population that does care because when you have sat on the throne of power for 400 years, you don't want to get off. our last president was only there for four years and he thinks he is still there. that is the situation and they are trying to stop this flip from happening. when i first started this, i have been doing this for 41 years, there was the ku klux klan, neo-nazis, skinheads. now you have the the proud boys, oath keepers, reaper centers,

national alliance, on and on and they are saying come and join us we are going to take our country back. people, out of fear of having the country taken from them, want to join these groups. you are old enough to remember. anywhere you go there is somebody who doesn't look like you. people say, i don't want my grandkids to be brown. they call it the browning of america. they want to join these groups to take our country back. some of them get anxious and they walk into a black church in south carolina and boom, boom, boom. and then they order people in the jewish synagogue.

these people are called lone wolves. they are trying to stop this from happening. unfortunately, we are going to see more and more lone wolves closer to 2042. this is why it is so important to educate and talk with people and share these things. 2042 is the white supremacists y2k. if you remember y2k, everybody was freaking out over the year 2000. i have to take my money out of the bank, my vcr is going to stop working, of whole nine yards. 2000 role around and it was another day. for white supremacists, 2042 is the end of their world when this happens. host: to nancy calling from cedar falls, iowa. caller: i am one of your biggest

fans. i just wanted to tell you how much i admire you. i have met you several times on the legendary rhythm and blues cruise. i have talked to you and asked about adding your documentary. i can only get it on streaming from amazon so i couldn't use it to enlighten other people about these problems and about what you are doing about them. i would still like to get it. i will be calling you because emails are working. i am enthused about what you are doing and so happy to see you on c-span spreading your word. i will seal on the next blues cruise and i will be on number 40. guest: thanks, nancy. host: can you get it on amazon?

guest: it is streaming but i think it can be purchased but i'm not sure. i don't have control over that. host: to sun city, california, rudy is on the line. caller: good morning. i was -- would just like to say, i am just like you. i lived in sun city, california and what really discussed me the most is reverse prejudice, not racism, maybe not bigotry, but i hate to see black, brown, asian people have this prejudice against each other. it is just foreign to me and it doesn't make any sense. of that group, i have that even

including the caucasian race in my family. there are a lot of things to think about. we are all in the same boat so we all have to use the same quote, get along. if we can address that it wouldn't be too bad in this country. i would like to get your thoughts. guest: i think any kind of bigotry, prejudice and racism and whether it is reverse is equally as bad. nothing goes into reverse unless it is already going forward. like isaac newton said there is an equal reaction to every action. we have to combat them both. you don't fight negativity with negativity. host: darrell davis is our guest. (202) 748-8000 is eastern and

central time zones. it is (202) 748-8001 four mountain and pacific. my producer found out you can buy the dvd available for purchase on amazon. you mentioned europe folks were for service. do you -- did you wind up living overseas in a number of places? guest: i lived in africa for 10 years and in europe as a child. when you take my childhood travel with my parents as an american embassy kid and combine it to my adult travels as a rational decision place all over the world. i have played in every state and abroad. i have been 262 countries on six continents. i have been exposed -- i have been to 62 countries on six

continents. i have been exposed to a wide variety of people, colors of skin, ideologies, cultures, religions and that has shaped who i have become. let me give you my favorite quote by park between call the travel quote -- by mark twain. charitable views of men and thing cannot be acquired by vegetating in one corner of the earth. that is so true. what i have gleaned from the travels is no matter how far i go from our country whether it is right next-door to canada or mexico or halfway around the globe, matter how different people may be for me, it always includes one thing, we all are human beings. and as such, every human being wants these core values in their

lives. ever but he wants to be loved, accepted, heard, treated fairly and truthfully, and we all want the same thing for our family as anybody else wants for their families. if we can learn to apply those core values, a culture and society which we are unfamiliar or uncomfortable, i will guarantee our navigation of that culture will be much more smooth and positive. let me show you this. host: you brought some props. guest: i did. this is the clan -- klan robe of a leader. he changed his 80 allergy -- he

changed his ideology and shut down his clan organization -- klan organization. this guy was a grand dragon in the klan. same thing, conversations, all of these people left the organization and gave me the ropes and hoods. this one is the red circle with the white cross. this guy here was a grand dragon in the kan. two prison -- klan. went to prison for two years for conspiring to bomb a synagogue. he got out and then he went back to prison for three years for insult with intent to murder to

black men. i talked to him and he and i got together and we talked. he was violent, anti-semitic and racist. but over time, he began changing. as a grand dragon or any other title, it is just a title. you don't get paid for the title. you have to have a regular job. his regular job when he was trying to blow up a synagogue was baltimore city police officer. he was not an undercover cop in the clan. he was a bona fide klansman on the baltimore city police force. this is what conversation can do when you apply those five core values. the first nancy who called and

out relate to some of that. host: i appreciate you showing those to the audience. longmont colorado, charles, go ahead. caller: how is it going? host: just fine. caller: is a blessing that you are on. guest: thank you for being here. caller: i'm a mortician and work with the deceased. to anyone who is listening, when you pass away, we are all the same. we all bleed red and have the same arteries, veins, and hearts. in death we are all the same. i worked with a black guy and at times he said you are more black than i am. i grew up in l.a. and i wanted views on culture and how does culture affect how we believe?

thank you for being on the show. i really appreciate you. guest: thank you for reiterating that we are all the same. we are all born and die and all turned to dust. i appreciate that. my opinion on culture, as human beings, we share 99% of our dna with each other regardless of what color we are. what we are different about is the cultures in which we grow up but cultures are things that are learned. they are not things we are born with. we are born into it and adopt it and learn it, but other than that, we are all the same and we can learn to respect one another's cultures. his book is clandestine relationships. guest: it is out of print now

but a new book will be coming out at the end of this year, the working title is the klan whisperer. we'll have updates and news stories. host: crystal river, florida, john is next. good morning. caller: good morning. happy father's day to both of you as well. host: thank you. guest: same to you. caller: what i wanted to ask this morning is, you know, like the gentleman said, we are all the same and serving in the military i think helps people to see that on a more clear basis because you are relying on that man to be there for you and possibly save your life.

what i wanted to ask was, it seems like it is always the white man's fault. there is racism across all cultures and races but preferably but in 2023 but it is always the white man's fault but i believe there is more racism in the other races in the united states. look what happened in a predominantly lack -- black society, the police force and the four black cops and assailant and it comes out that it is white racism in the white guys fault after that.

host: your from the guest. guest: there is a lot of blame. every action has an equal reaction. previously everything was the black man's fault. that is why the klan and white supremacy exists. we have to stop giving blame to each other. we are all in this together. any kind of racism whether it is reverse is wrong. let's go to the beginning of the civil rights movement. we made a lot of progress the powers that be looked at the

protests is not an ocean of black people with a few white people mixed in. there are always been white people who supported our cause and wanted to participate but they were always called sellouts. they were there always there. what did the powers that be see with george floyd? they saw an ocean of black people and an ocean of white people marching and protesting together and as a result the needle of progress turned quickly and we saw more progress in that year than we have ever seen in the history of this country. 20 years ago, you never would've heard the name derek chauvin.

you would not have heard about george floyd. today police officers who commit crimes like that are being arrested, charged and convicted and off to prison very quickly. we saw a large ripple effect. the protests were geared predominately towards a police department such as minneapolis but across country we saw a ripple effect. we saw nascar banning the confederate flag. who would have thought. we saw a food brand change their labels, aunt jemima and uncle ben's. what is the difference between the protests of yesteryear and of 2020? the makeup of the protesters. we had a few white people know

you have an ocean of white people for progress. that is the point where we need to work together to advance this country. host: i can't let you go without a music question. daryl's origins as how he met chuck berry and bruce springsteen on the same night was told to us a couple years ago. chuck berry heard the story. you toured with him. have you ever told the story of bruce springsteen? guest: no i have not. i have seen him since then. but i haven't told it. without chuck berry wouldn't have the beatles, the stones, elton john, anybody who plays that and all of their dna goes back to chuck berry. host: we will file you and look

for your new publication later this year. guest: thank you very much. i want to thank the listeners who called in. host: that will about do it for this morning's program. we thank you for joining us and hope you are back tomorrow. until then, have a great remainder of the weekend and happy father's day. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org]