coming up this morning o washington journal, josh kraushaar from jewish insider talks about the president's drs. and we will discuss preside trump's legal issues with tennessee democratic congressman rep. steve cohen and replin rep. dan newhouse discusses u.s. cha relations. we will take your calls live. "washington journal," is next. ♪ host: former president trump has already been indicted by jack smith into classified white house documents.

it now appears he could face a second indictment for mr. smith relating to the the capitol riot pro. he broke the news on his truth social account but the special counsel has not confirm that. the possibility of yet another indictment of the former president has hardened his allies and opponents on the hill and royal the presidential republican field in response. it is 7/19/2023. this is washington journal. we will spend the first hour talking about that likely indictment. for democrats (202) 748-8000, for republicans (202) 748-8001, for independents (202) 748-8002

you can send a text at (202) 748-8003 tell us your name and where you are texting from we are on facebook and twitter at http://twitter.com/cspanwj. all of the new announced by the president, what are your concerns if you are a supporter and what is this mean for your support of the now republican presidential nominee? does that firm it up or make you consider other candidates. and if you oppose donald trump what is this mean for a third trial going into the presidential year. for democrats (202) 748-8000, for republicans (202) 748-8001, for independentss (202) 748-8002 . former president donald trump is bracing for a federal indictment related to the right

at the capital in his efforts to overturn the election after prosecutors named tim. the target letter from jack smith which trump disclosed did not say which charges the former president would face. investigators have looked into a variety of trump plots to reverse his defeat in 2020. the charges stemming from the riot would be the most serious against president trump. this is the case the government most wants to win and they will pull out all stops to do whatever it takes to win. they want trump to face consequences for january 6. the government wants this case because it is symbolic for them. if the grand jury hands it indictment it will be the third time this year the criminal charges have been filed against

president trump. mr. trump said on true social that his attorneys notified him of the letter on sunday. he says he was given four days to report to the grand jury a prelude to indictment number -- and arrest. trump saying which on biotin wants to arrest his opponent who is leading him in the polls in the upcoming presidential election. such a thing has never happened before the chair of the house democratic caucus chair was asked about the work of the january 6 committee and potential charges facing president trump.

>> i think the committee laid out and you will remember this, we said time and again our focus is to seek the truth and make sure there is accountability. we also said there were tools that could be idolized by the department of justice. we are appreciative of the work and their focus on staying true to finding the facts and holding people accountable. their truck record has been solid when it comes to prosecutions and we expect that the work the grand jury continues to do will meet that threshold of seeking the facts and holding people accountable. host: we want to get to your views on this potential third

indictment. for democrats (202) 748-8000, for republicans (202) 748-8001, for independents (202) 748-8002. we start in lawrenceville, georgia on the republican line. caller: the first thing i would like to say to the democrats is contesting an election is not illegal. it never has been illegal and it isn't illegal now. you can contest an election until you can't breathe anymore. host: on to highland park, new jersey on the democrats line. caller: first of all, thank you for taking my call. and to the previous color and

all of the trump supporters including some democrats who voted for him, this is really outrageous what they are trying to do. they know very well that he tried to overturn, overturn that is treasonous, overturn the 2020 election. that is what i have to say. host: next we have nick from delray beach, florida. what are your thoughts? caller: the first thing i would like to say is democrats like to talk about turning over elections, like when the fbi and the intelligence community get together and say there is a russian collusion hoax when they

knew it was a complete and total lie. a couple of questions c-span wants to look into. maybe someone would like to get an answer to right after seeing on videos encouraging people to go into the capitol building was number 16 on the fbi's most wanted list. i wonder why christopher wray can't answer when he goes before congress. why he can't answer whether or not there were any fbi agents or whether the fbi had hired rioters to be in the crowd that day. christopher wray says it's an ongoing investigation. the investigation could be ongoing forever and you will never have to answer those questions. the last thing i would like to

say is this. when democrats colin, they are the pro-pedophile, pro-sex slave, pro-slave labor and pro-drug cartel flooding this country. host: let's hear from thibodeau, louisiana on the democrats line. caller: hello? host: you are on the ear. -- on the air. caller: he should be indicted and he should be in jail. he didn't even defend his vice president from potentially being harmed. he should be indicted and put in jail, thank you. host: we will go to countries on the republican line. caller: thank you for taking my

call. every time they get ready to go down on the bidens they come in with the trump indictment. let me be really clear. are you aware that have taken the boat, the election, all the way to the supreme court and they have multiple court cases that have taken sides, to the supreme court. one brother got all the way up. they decided the election had

not been investigated. it was an indictment of president trumps rights. host: at what level did they win? an appeals court, a federal court? caller: trump had one. i don't know why they haven't announced it in the states. host: trump rails against january 6. they write the former president railed against the justice department and to his efforts to remain in power after losing the election he said his first on camera comments speaking with sean hannity during the town hall and iowa. here is some of that conversation from last night. [video clip]

>> it bothers me the letter on sunday night. i don't think they've ever sent a letter on sunday night. they are in a rush because they want to interfere with an election. it's never been done like this and it is a disgrace. whatever is happening with this country whether it's borders has become a weapon for the democrats and it seems that every time i poll we are leaving by a lot. and where leading by a lot in places like iowa. not only with republicans but were leaning against biden by a tremendous amount. they feel like they wanted to mean and diminish and frighten people but they don't frighten us because we are going to make.

host: our topic this morning, comments on social media, on twitter says we are a nation of laws. have your day in court. his own hand picked supreme court ruled against him. here we go another morning of truck bashing. it has taken the federal government too long in his role in the january 6 insurrection. we will go back to your calls and go to eddie in atlanta on the democrat line. caller: good morning america and c-span. i don't think we need any more donald trump. he was the worst president when

he got in he didn't do nothing. he is still doing the same thing on tv, complaining about what they did to him. he did everything himself. what is that man say about democrats? republicans are not good for anything. they are always complaining about wanting to give to the poor people. wanting to give to the nation to make it better. republican suck. host: we have peter on the independent line. what is your thought on this news? caller: i am glad it has finally happened. i remember when al khor when the votes in florida were counted.

al khor stood up like a man and did the right thing. this guy lies and cries like my 12-year-old grandson. he clearly lies. the only representation is trump and his lies in the cult of follow him like puppy dogs. host: this is from usa today, the headline trump confirms he is the target of january 6 investigations. he expects charges soon. a few questions posed as an indictment likely to happen this week or next? attorneys familiar with these investigations say a target letter means charges or

imminent. using the mar-a-lago case as a template charges could come as soon as next week. also in the piece they answer what is a target letter? the president saying he received this target letter from prosecutors. it is a document that prosecutor sent to people under investigation inviting them to testify in warning they could be subject to arrest and indictment. he also received a similar noticed on charges of obstruction of justice jack smith also heads up that investigation. on our democrats line in detroit, larry. caller: good morning and

greetings again from motown. in response to the first caller and is typical of these republicans to call in and make excuses for donald trump. they buy into conspiracy theories with regards to the attack on the capital. these were not trump's they were fbi agents or this john sullivan character. the lies that trump said about the national guard saying pelosi turned them down even though she had no authority. this man has been putting out so much for so long. and they keep on putting up excuses to protect and coddle him. there seems to be a myopic,

delusional devotion to him. they think he can do no wrong. with regards to the conspiracy theories, many of them have been thoroughly debunked. donald trump lost, joe biden one and it is over. host: bobby is in hackettstown new jersey on the republican line. caller: there is so much to say it's hard to put it in a few seconds. to that previous caller about us being the colt or little puppy dogs. what really drives me insane is how corrupt the department of justice really is. they continue to go after donald trump. when will we start going after hunter and joe biden and the corruption with the bribery from all the other countries.

the guide jesse waters send a kid on the boardwalk to interview america. how many people know who tony bobilinksky is and why did they censor that story on twitter and facebook just prior to the election. if you don't call that election interference i don't know what is. the democrats get away with everything. did you say chris mary's -- did you see chris ray's interview. and then the worst president ever? our gas prices were two dollars and $.27, crime was down. i have had enough from these corrupt democrats.

host: the line is open for democrats (202) 748-8000, for republicans (202) 748-8001, for independents (202) 748-8002 are opening topic is about a likely indictment announced by the former president. the letter from the justice department he received. but it's a quick look at some of our live programming on the c-span network. the senate judiciary committee is working on legislation dealing with the conduct of the supreme court. the ethics recusal act aims to establish a code of rules relating to the justices personal activities. at that hearing continues this morning coming up at 9:30 eastern on c-span three.

israeli president herzog is meeting with president biden and we will have that life for you as the house and senate come together at 11:00 a.m.. two irs whistleblowers will testify today on the ongoing investigation into the biden family. we will have live coverage from that house oversight committee. that will be alive on c-span3 and on our mobile app. writing about that hearing today. this is the washington examiner. hunter biden investigation. an anonymous criminal investigator will testify revealing his identity for the first time after alleging

politicization of the hunter biden investigation. saying the unnamed irs agent and veteran supervisor special agent gary shapley will appear. it takes a brave person to step forward and challenge the status quo. said russell fry a member of the oversight committee. they both testified that the house ways and committee, had been blocked from charging joe biden's son in a criminal tax investigation in california and washington dc. he also said he was not the deciding official on whether

they could indict on that case. let's hear from honolulu, good morning to thomas. caller: thank you sir, thinking to c-span. you have been doing your thing for 44 years. i will start with my independent observations. i appreciate the fact that you legitimately have people from all points of view even though your viewers think you are biased. i think you can improve your product if you would consider devoting at least one day a week or at minimum one day of month to having experts come on and explain the psychological factors that shape the opinions we form. concepts like cognitive dissonance, the dunning kruger effect, people who think they

know everything they need to know without knowing what they need to know. that happens all the time on c-span but in real life. a big reality online. concepts like propaganda for profit, propaganda techniques that we see every day. especially from the republicans. propaganda experts that can tell us how this is happened together. there are plenty of them. you have probably had the miscast. we need that as a country much more frequently to break us out of the silos we are in making the other side people in our side correct.

seriously consider what day a week devoting discussions to psychological concepts in the history of propaganda. host: great recommendation and we appreciate your thoughts. john is up next from brookfield, massachusetts. caller: my comment is you have mitch mcconnell and mccarthy days after the insurrection and they were all seeing it should be handled by the law and the law will take care of it. now the president is being accused of it and he has a right to go to court and defend himself and if you don't think he can defend himself and other people think he can't defend himself.

we are not all about the law. that is my comment for today. host: we have david in south carolina, a republican collar. caller: good morning, good morning. this is a sham just like everything else is. around sun city and hilton head a lot of people will vote for republicans because they see what is happening. a lot of independents will vote for republicans because they are tired of seeing what is happening. everybody in this country knows it. i love your type. -- your tie. caller: this jack smith, he went

after democrats. there is no deep state because even william barr couldn't find it deep state. you have republicans up on charges and fake collectors. this is not deep state or doj thing. they broke the law. if you break a law you do the time. that is all there is. host: kevin mentioned the michigan case or the new charges i should say of 16 fake collectors with forgery felonies.

the michigan attorney general filed felony charges who acted as fake collectors for donald trump accusing them of submitting false certificates despite joe biden's victory in the state. a democrat announced that all 16 people would face a criminal charges including forgery and conspiracy. the top charges carry 14 years in prison. this includes cap the burden as well as the cochair of the michigan republican party and shelby township clerk. leonard is on the democrats line in houston, texas. caller: thank you for taking my call. the caller from hawaii had it right. i just wish she would call these

people out on their lives. i know you don't like to and let them voice their opinions. it would be nice if somebody would fact-check with these people are saying because a lot of this stuff is rhetoric or propaganda coming from social media. donald trump is guilty. if this was obama that had done all of the things that trump had done which you feel the same? host: what do you think would be different about it? caller: they would've killed obama. trying to take over the presidency and never get kicked out. we keep hearing about election

fraud. all these fake collectors, you better remember. felons can't vote. the next time when he loses, he lost to hilary in the general election and 8 million to biden and this time it will be worse. you keep on voting for trump. host: this is from the hill, the reaction from other presidential candidates. haley slams trump drama after the january 6 pro. this is what nikki haley had to say on fox news. [video clip] >> how does this indictment affect his candidacy? >> it is going to keep on going. the rest of this primary election every reference will be

about lawsuits and legal fees and it will continue to be of further distraction and that is why i am running. we needed new generational leader. we can't keep dealing with the drama and negativity. we have china trying to be at war with us you have the wrong building a bomb you have north korea detaining a soldier. we need to focus on depth and the lack of transparency in schools. we can't be focused on lawsuits over and over again. host: on twitter, jack smith the special counsel investigating americans need to step back and do his job. if he ends up being indicted he can defend himself. our justice department is as crooked as the soviet union.

how is enforcing the law political? if you break the law you pay. i don't care who you are or who you worship no one is above the law. no jury will be able to clearly hear a case against any president. listen to folks from both sides make the most extreme comments. we have blood on the republican line next, good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call. first of all i want to say to the people out there in america, ask yourself this question. where were the police officers? where was the security? and why did they not do their job? their job is to use deadly force

if anyone trespasses against the capital. host: where were what police officers? caller: the police officers, the capitol police. their job is to use deadly force if anyone trespasses into the capital. the first thing they should have done and they did their job. someone busted the door, shoot them. that is their job and someone stop them from doing their job. who? i don't know. they failed to do their job. host: onto gregory and sanford, north carolina. caller: good morning we

appreciate what you guys are doing and all of the callers. i have been retired military since 2008. i watched obama, the primaries. the single thing i think is happening here with political ideology in this country is being formulated by psychological warfare. psychological warfare you could call it propaganda or information operations. i would encourage everybody to understand what psychological warfare is. they are now called information support operations. i feel that disinformation this

used in warfare i would consider this country at war internally with political ideology. i encourage people to understand what propaganda is. michael j waller who teaches at fort bragg taught this course. several days after the incident on january 6. some people call it an insurrection or insurgency. people don't understand these terms. if you take a look at it insurgency structure happening in this country. no insurgency is alike but michael j waller identified it. he identified several groups in this article i think it was

published on the third ninth of january 2021. there is something behind-the-scenes that people are not seeing. something about president trump is not well-liked. if you take a look at the interview in 1988 that trump did with oprah winfrey. the minute he came down that escalator they turned on him. there has to be some dirt on trump and on what people refer to as the deep state. this is global, this is not just within our country. host: this is from politico reporting on ramifications of the presidential field. limning indictment wrenches open the central question, is trump fit to serve.

his announcement that he expects to be a thrice indicted candidate is forcing republican candidates to contend with the fundamental question of the primary is trump fit to reoccupy the office? the field remains uncomfortable going after trump boat would attack him around the edges. ron desantis said trump should've come up more forcefully as writers ransacked the capital but it fell short of criminal activity. others saying they would make very different judgments and nikki haley says the primary is likely to be drowned out. they see a small crack in the deference that they showed his previous indictments and privately they were skeptical

but those modest attacks would have any impact other than benefiting trump. january 6 just gins up the base. next we have anita in pennsylvania. caller: i have so many opinions i could go on for days and days. what i find disconcerting about this one side fusing to hear the other side. when i talk about my feelings as the trump supporter even though i am a democrat. i have people who turn off. a switch to turn off in their head. they won't engage in an open conversation. i was there for january 6. i heard this speech before the national monument. i think there is deep-seated

things going on in the capital and in our government that people cannot comprehend. much like the man from hawaii said earlier. there is something going on and it's all about power not party. and i believe trump is disrupting that power as a successful businessman of the deep state or whatever you want to call it of the government people who like to will their power because power corrupts absolutely and they're all getting rich off of each other. they need to clean house at the lowest level they need to clean house. host: you were in washington on january 6? caller: yes. i was standing underneath the scaffolding the fbi has all my pictures.

you don't hear much about what happened outside. you have plenty of footage of what happened inside. there were not enough police there. there could've been a lot more people there. we think the police officers for their service. and there were some seriously odd people who did not look like they were there for the same reason i was. host: when you came to washington that day for the rally the speech by the president down at the ellipse. were you expecting to go to the capital afterwards? was part of the plan or do you know? caller: i heard through the grapevine we would be listening to a speech and i sat in front of the washington monument and

heard everything he said. we headed towards the capital and i wanted to see congress do their job which is cap the electorate and let them be question. but congress do their job. that is what i wanted to see. i think pelosi was high as a kite knowing people were coming into the building so later on they push the election through and the things that should have been question were not question as is the duty of congress to do. so we will never know who truly won that election. host: thank you for sharing your experience. honey brook, pennsylvania

william is on the independent line. caller: i am just disgusted with our justice department, the fbi and the whole thing. the man said peacefully and patriotically, i heard it over and over. why weren't they listening to what the man said? jack smith is a political hack in the justice department is a bunch of crooks. host: what makes jack smith a political hack? caller: i think he is there to do biden 's bidding. they are trying to get trump. when he was president he did a

lot of great things. i think donald trump was the best president in my lifetime because he did what he said he was going to do. he tried to drain the swamp and this is the swamp fighting back. a bunch of political hacks. host: here are the views of a former prosecutors and former governor chris christie talking about the third indictment. as a former prosecutor i would want to see any potential indictment before speaking. his conduct on january 6 proves he does not care about our country or constitution. this is from don goldman the american people are sick of watching the house to act as donald trump's cheerleader.

the american people -- the congress has the ability to stop election interference and we must. muggle republicans -- maga reb ublicans will do anything to excuse trump. caller: one thing about c-span, i watch you every day and have been since you started. the ignorance of the american people shines through every day but there are some bright stars out there. the guy from north carolina and the lady from pennsylvania. a lot of them know what is going on and it will change. have a little faith. it will change.

i don't think joe biden will be running for president. i think you will see michelle obama up there. host: shirley is in south carolina. go ahead. caller: good morning mr. bill. one thing i want to say first. i know when donald trump came to new york, he was always a bad boy. i don't understand how these religious people can support this guy when they know he had three wives and all that stuff and he ran a variety show and you know what he did on that. i don't want anybody like that representing me.

i hope he goes to jail. thank you. host: this is from the washington post on the documents case. they are skeptical of attempts to delay the trial until after the election. they appeared skeptical about the request to be delayed until after the election. the district judge appeared wary of the prosecutor's request to begin proceedings as soon as this year. they did not set a new date for the trial saying should we consider the decision it. lawyers appeared before the federal prosecutor gathering in the courthouse north of west palm beach. his codefendant was present.

proceedings lasted 90 minutes and highlighted the disagreement between prosecutors and defense attorneys. and jamie raskin had this to say about the delay the trial. [video clip] >> i don't think there should be any delay in existing prosecution otherwise any criminal defendant would declare a run for president or senate or house or mayor. think of it this way, if somebody is running for office and then implicated in the murder or rape or armed robbery would we say no we will hold that until after the election.

he should be treated exactly the way anybody else would be treated in the same situation. there have been hundreds of prosecutions of people on the basis of crime that took place on january 6. why is he special? host: we are talking about a potential indictment in donald trump's truth posting. for democrats (202) 748-8000, for republicans (202) 748-8001, for independents (202) 748-8002. we have joann from connecticut. caller: they say no one is above the law but no one is beneath the law either. look at ken starr investigating bill clinton. they are doing that to jack smith?

he knows that he may have a little bit of a problem with the documents case but he can get a fair trial in washington dc. are they going to talk about joe biden and the documents he had as a senator? we are hearing today about the biden crime family with the irs whistleblowers. under barack obama the first attorney general that was held in contempt. something happened to eric holder. donald trump could have gone after hillary clinton but he knew that wasn't good for the country. he is right, he is standing in the way because they're coming after all of us. you look at the transgender,

immigration. this serves all americans. that is all i have to say. host: in sioux falls, south dakota. we have dan. caller: i love how all these republicans call up as say they used to be democrats and we all know that's not the case. as far as you republicans call in that the independents will vote for trump. i am an independent and i haven't decided yet. if republicans nominate ron desantis they would win. i think i might even vote for him because he is only 44. if you guys reelect biden in 2024 he will be 80 years old. if trump is not disqualified by

2028 after he loses to biden, trump is rated the third worst president of all time. biden is in the top 10. america is going to end up, because trump will run again whether he wins or loses. we will end up with to 80-year-old presidents if we don't get this right. host: here is steve cook's lease with his reaction to the target letter -- steve scalise. [video clip] >> the same week that we see biden's numbers falls we have a whistleblower at the irs trying

to dig into the biden crime syndicate. he was told to stand down. he wanted to dig deeper and told not to. now you see the biden administration going after trump again. is there a double standard? is justice being administered equally? host: on twitter, if trump drained the swamp and this is the swamp fighting back does that mean he did not drain the swamp? trump plan to erase 81 million votes inopes of instituting martial law. while i agree that trump has had good policies both domestically

of with foreign governments. there are two problems with him running for president. number one is his age. it is time to have an age limit of 80. there will never be a stop to the drama surrounding the prior election while he is a candidate. on to arnold in new york on the democrats sign. good morning. caller: c-span listeners i've a question. we watch this president watch our capital destroyed. the other thing i would like to point out, this presidents that

the republicans hail, do not you think it is strange that everyone in the world he is on tape showing secret documents to women and laughing about it. and telling them, i could've declassified up but i can't now. if you think the man is still the rightful owner to the white house after all he has done? he put so many service women and men at risk. this is the president you want to give another try? unbelievable. host: next up is ed on the republican line in new york. caller: equal justice, ted

kennedy. equal law, nothing. hillary clinton, emails, nothing. comey, gave her a break. this is ridiculous, the guy across the river from me talking about the documents. our president has had documents for 40 years. you don't hear nothing about equal law. host: other news this morning. north korean arrest american who ran across the border. he has been taken into custody by north korean authorities. the service member entered north

korea during the tour which straddles the border between north and south korea becoming the latest citizen to be detained by the communist country. the soldier travis king had been released from south korean prison after being arrested on assault charges. he was not authorized to speak publicly. they had planned to send him to fort bliss to face additional disciplinarian actions. instead of boarding his plane he joined hauteur where he broke away from the group -- a group where he broke away. it was seen being taken into custody by north korean soldiers. it was unclear if he plan to defect.

the soldier across the demarcation line into the democratic of korea. in west virginia, boyd is on the line. go ahead lloyd. caller: i would just like to say, the democrats are the one who caused the problem at the capital. with four years of lies they told on trump and trump would have been stupid to trust an election with the democrats and as far as it goes, the democrats caused most of these problems and just like maxine waters said. she said her job was to impeach trump. the democrats are the ones

causing all the problems. more reaction to january 6, a potential indictment and the january 6 pro. former congressman and republican candidate tweeted january 6 was a dark day for democracy. trump's inaction proves he is not fit for office. in a court of law, it will be trump insiders and co-conspirators providing the details of his crimes not his opponents. a few more calls here. we have the in north carolina. -- we have dee in north

carolina. caller: i have received a couple of emails about the 13th amendment and i was wondering why ed has not been enacted? it's quite obvious through the history what trump is done and now he is being held accountable for indictment on january 6 and on documents it is time for the country to realize that this man needs to go up and just as done for the country. on to syracuse new york? michael on the democrats line. caller: i would like to say to

all the banana republicans, what did donald trump do when he first got into office? he settled the trump university fraud case. he is a fraudster. this same with the russian investigation and many went to jail. what do you think the banana republicans are doing every body? they are definitely wrong. donald trump is the worst ever, goodbye. host: that will do it for opening topic. we have plenty more ahead on the program. next, josh kraushaar will be up with us next. we will talk about the domestic and global politics of israeli president herzog. we will talk more about that

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president biden yes -- yesterday. this is his second visit to the white house and yet no visit from prime minister benjamin netanyahu. s help us understand the dynamics between president herzog, prime minister netanyahu, and president biden? guest: president biden and prime minister netanyahu have known each other for a while but it, has been tense in recent months because of mystic politics in israel. israel is in a judicious -- contentious judicial overhaul, which is leading to protests in the streets of jerusalem. herzog opposes wide netanyahu is pushing through an israeli politics. it is notable biden has not yet

formally invited prime minister netanyahu to the white house. there was a meeting where he said he would meet with hem later this year but it is notable. biden has invited many world leaders including from the middle east that have been invited to the white house. host: he just floated this idea of inviting benjamin netanyahu. this is the second visit by president herzog, correct? guest: president herzog is symbolic. he is someone who does not make policy but he represents the state so this is sort of a symbol that president biden was very clear yesterday that the relationship between the united states and israel is very strong and he wanted to make sure that was underscored even if there have been notable differences when it comes to israeli policy. host: do we have any idea what

president herzog will say to the joint meeting today in congress? guest: you will be speaking at 11:00 in the morning, and then he will meet with -- he will be speaking at 11:00 in the morning, and then he will meet kevin mccarthy, the house majority leader. there it is really government is trying to make sure that support -- the israeli government is trying to make sure that support for israel is bipartisan. folks like aoc and a handful of others are very vocal critics of israel. a lot of detractors have called them antisemitic. that has been a big fault line within the democratic party. herzog's mission is to have a big bipartisan show of support. host: it often seems like when the israeli prime minister or

president comes to speak there is some political drama in the house in particular that almost rises above the visit itself but this time comments by congresswoman pramila jayapal about israel being a racist state. guest: that was a big political firestorm immediately in washington. she said israel was a racist state to a group of very left-wing activists at left-wing nation. she later tried to walk back those remarks but house republicans immediately offered a resolution condemning anti-semitism saying israel is not an apartheid state, designed to show a strong so o -- strong show of support in the wake of president herzog's visit. only nine democrats voted

against the resolution. 412 democrats and republicans voted for it. these are some of the most outspoken members of the democratic party. one of that 9 was alexandra oh because you cortez, who does not -- 9 was aoc. she gets lots of time on social media, which is not helpful for the democratic party heading into a reelection year. host: pramila jayapal voted in favor of the measure. guest: she said she was -- she apologized. she said she was trying to say that she was against members of netanyahu's government who are racist. there, is that view and may not

be widespread but views like jayapal have traction in the st progressive areas of the party. host: here is what congresswo jayapal said. "words do matter so it is rtant i clarify my statement. i do not believe the i israel as a nation is racist. i believe net's extreme right wing government has engaged in outricist policies and extreme racists driving th policy within the current government. i think it is the duty of us trying to make the world a more just and equitable place to callout netanyahu's complicity in it." guest: the biggest issue is some of the ministers serving in the israeli government who have a

track record of incitement in israeli politics. they are ministers in netanyahu's coalition. they are not members of netanyahu's party. there are ministers who have said pretty load some things that are part of this current netanyahu government. it is the most right wing government in israel's history. host: i think it is worth calling out benjamin netanyahu came back to power late last year in another one of these coalition governments in israel. they seem to have gone through a whole cycle of them in recent years. guest: there were five elections. it was hard for either side to build a majority, healthy majority in israeli politics. there were elections almost

every year in is rail for some time. benjamin by recent standards received something of a mandate. h got ae healthy majority for his coalition. that has led to overreach. that has led to some of the judicial overhaul proposals. host: josh kraushaar is our guest. he is the editor of jewishinsider.com. you can also read his work on axios.com. we welcome your calls and comments (202) 748-8000, the line for democrats. (202) 748-8001 the line for republicans, and for everyone else, (202) 748-8002. " israelis renew protest against legal overhaul."

" despite the high temperatures dozens of israelis held protests. prime minister netanyahu's plan to limit the power of the supreme court --" what is behind this? guest: one of the things the netanyahu government did when they took power is try to limit the power of the courts. the judiciary and israel is an influential check on the government. it can overrule a lot of political decisions made by the prime minister. it is a source of frustration on the right and israel. the prime minister tried to push through a judicial overhaul package, and that immediately sparked protests in israel. that is pause -- that has paused some of the reform measures, but they are still going through,

and there is still a debate over what will ultimately pass. it is a very tense time in israeli politics. netanyahu has to figure out how far to push. as we have talked about bill, he has received a warning from the president of the united states not to push too far. host: why is biden so keenly interested in this issue in particular? guest: if you talk to israeli conservatives, they think it is quite a bit of interference in what is ultimately a domestic, political issue. biden has given interviews. he said to president herzog yesterday that he cares about israel's future as a, healthy democracy so that is something. the nature of the ally ship. host: i don't want to let you go without getting into our domestic politics. we spent our first hour talking

about the potential, and likely indictment, third indictment of former president donald trump. what you think this means to the republican field? guest: i thought it was notable that ron desantis, trumps leading rival for the republican nomination given interview with cnn before the news of the potential indictment came down and he defended trump, he defended his leading challenger in the republican primary field. i think that tells you a lot about where the republican electorate is right now. this is pretty unusual that one of the leading opponents of president is defending him on one of the biggest issues. host: if he moves the needle at all he moves it in favor of trump on the republican side? guest: the very serious ones, that actually increased -- if you look at the trajectory of

the polls, trump gamed ground after that indictment. in rep -- trump gained ground after that indictment. in republican politics, the more you attack jack smith, the better you do. that has put ron desantis in a very tricky position. host: let's go to chris in boston on the democrats' line. make sure you mute your volume. caller: in 1992, pat buchanan once remarked of israel that the congress -- i have come to the conclusion that pro-israeli pack money flowing through congress is scandalous. how is this not a violation of the voting rights registration act? why aren't people like -- why

are they not included in any kind of prosecution? i will take my answer offline. guest: i wouldn't know it as a student of public opinion and politics. support for israel, even now with these more tense moments in the israel-america relationship has been strong in both parties, even among democrats. a solid majority of democrats view is rail favorably. the one faction that is kind of an outlier has been very progressive and very young democrats. pat buchanan used to be on the right. he was accused of anti-semitism over his political career but there is more concentration of

anti-israel sentiment on the right. that has changed. now the locus of anti-israel views are on the far left. host: to laurel, maryland, kenny, you are on. caller: thank you for taking my call. you just talked about pat buchanan being labeled as anti-semitic. you need to talk about the congresswoman who later apologized. we are having a hard time telling the truth about what is going on in the ground. a lot of people have issues with that. i want to talk about that a little bit, support for israel within the democratic party. it is almost unheard of. i want to talk about a little bit the issues in israel, and

the criticism that anyone in the united states may have about the way we run this country. any criticism of israel is somehow anti-semitism. you need to talk a little bit about that and the issues he brings up all the time. thank you. guest: i think there have been pretty -- has been plenty of criticism of israeli politics in congress. the accusation of anti-semitism comes up when they congresswoman like l hannah omar calls -- like ilhan omar says that opec is all about the benjamins.

policy in israel itself there is a huge protest movement, going on within israel, within the democratic party it is hard to find many supporters of prime minister netanyahu. i don't agree with the caller that there is any support for -- host: do you have any idea of what our level of support for israel, in terms of military aid for example is in the current fiscal year? host: -- guest: it usually receives overwhelming bipartisan support. when you ask questions pew research regularly asks "who do you support more the israelis or the palestinians?"

historically, israel has received support. host: what policies of the trump administration have carried over into the biden administration vis-à-vis that abraham accords, etc., and other efforts towards middle east peace? guest: you just name to big two issues. the trump administration's normalization agreements between israel and many of the gulf states is something the biden administration has also championed, the abraham accords. they are working on a normalization agreement with saudi arabia, which is something the trump administration was unable to accomplish. the, iron dome funding support for israel security that has always been a bipartisan issue. host: the headline from

jewishinsider.com, "herzog continues his peace making mission." you can follow live coverage of the joint meeting here on c-span, and you can follow it on c-span radio. to columbus, ohio, let's hear from bernie on the independent line. caller: jimmy carter wrote a book called israel the apartheid state. the jewish laws shows he was never heard from again. what this man is saying is a pack of lies. explain why the jews exterminated all of the arabs. he is giving us this pack of lies, and we are believing them.

the jewish lobbyist so powerful, they can shut down -- lobby is so powerful they can shut down. host: is it r -- is he right that jimmy carter called israel an apartheid state? guest: that is exactly the type of anti-semitism -- it is a very fringe opinion in congress and among american voters, but you do hear opinions like that. host: here is john in mira beach, florida. caller: my 4 uncles were among the soldiers that eisenhower

walked through in that camp at the end of the war. m fairy -- my family -- when the platform of the party is to execute and make as small as possible the palestinians or arabs into small communities and hope it all just goes away, and also you are getting comments through. " they said some terrible things." what were those terrible things? jimmy carter was right. he says those settlements had in them the very seeds of the destruction of the state of israel. originally, "it is all going to be palestinian land eventually. it will all work out."

where in the hell do get off defending an israeli minister who have to settle -- who incited the young men inside praying on the temple of the amount itself? guest: these debates are popular in israel themselves. that is what we are seeing right now with the traditional policy. you are seeing a vibrant protest movement within israel itself. i can't address every issue the caller brought up. you see some of the fringe elements in our politics. host: dr. the abraham accords, were those intended to make -- back to the abraham accords. guest: normalization with saudi arabia, the saudis have made

clear that they want improved relations with the palestinians to be part of any normalization deal. the same issues that of always been the case, those have always been the outlines of any kind of peace agreement. talk to democrats, republicans, no one thinks there is any chance of a large-scale peace agreement with the palestinians anytime soon. host: next up is jim in miami, florida. caller: glad to be on. i had a question. back in 2016 i was trying to determine who to vote for, and i was doing research to try and find out how much money hillary's fund for aids in africa were going to her, and

every time i did a google search for this, all kinds of nonsense would overload it. it had nothing to do with what i was trying to find. later on i find there are autobots that can do this. they tied the ip addresses to israel and netanyahu and the boughts that -- the bots that netanyahu uses to disseminate misinformation about palestinians. is there any truth to that? guest: i don't know anything about that. host: next cal il don't know why the republican party doesn't callout anti-semitism withiner. caller: their own party -- host: next caller.

caller: i don't know why the republican party doesn't callout anti-semitism within their own party. the palestinian charter calls for nonrecognition, not negotiation, and the extermination of israel. we have many anti-semites calling in. zionism is a disguise for anti-semitism. i would like to know why ill and omar -- why ilhan omar and the others are not being called out. host: they have been called out. guest: after ilhan omar made the comments "it is all about the

benjamins," she was criticized by other leaders and there was a movement censoring that language. look, the vote yesterday, which condemned anti-semitism and said israel is not a racist or apartheid state won 91% of democratic votes in the house of representatives and would win a similar share in the senate as well. despite the loud, outspoken views of a certain number of lawmakers, ilhan omar being one of them, the general consensus is in support of israel. i would say less so among the democrats that it was a decade or two ago, but still positive -- host: sarah, good morning. caller: i just noticed anytime somebody criticizes israel, this guy or other organizations, our

government even are calling those people "anti-semitic," and "fringe." we have a constitution that dictates separation of church and state. israel is a church state. we have freedom of religion. this is a religious war of jews against palestinians. we also have a right to protest. my state governor last week passed an executive order, preventing the executive branch of our state from protesting israel's activities by banning investments in those boycotts. we are being shackled from saying anything. host: to be fair to josh, he was calling out callers who had made anti-semitic comments. guest: there has been heated

debate at times as we learned this last week. congresswoman jayapal, rashida tlaib, they have free speech and there has been a healthy debate over these very issues. the challenge for them as they do not have support within their own party, clearly, within the american public. the challenge is not so much outside interest groups. it is the american public and the votes we saw this weekend congress. host: leading up to this vote, this is steve scully us before the house floor. [video clip] >> we look forward to welcoming president herzog, and celebrating israel's 75th anniversary as a jewish state. many of us have been there personally. we welcome leaders, whether it is the prime minister or the president who come here. you will hear rousing applause for the president. we will pass a piece of

legislation today to continue solidarity to stand up against the anti-semitism that is growing on the democrats' side ultimately to stand up on those who would call israel as a racist state and show that we stand with israel. i think you will see a very full chamber and a very raucous welcome for the president. host: just to point out the washington times, the headline "the house passes and anti-semitism resolution. passing -- resolution, 4 passing12-9 in the house -- "the house passes an anti-semitism resolution, passing 412-9 in the house." guest: you look at the roots of

anti-semitism, a lot of it historically has been on the right. it really evolves over time. anti-semitism never goes away. views against israel have always been part of this country. it has moved from the right to the left. talk about has republican leadership, they have been very adept at figuring out some of the fishers within the democratic -- the fissures on the democratic caucus. the d.c. crime bill they ended up forcing a vote on, that is one thing about kevin mccarthy's speakership that has been turbulent, but where he is able to find these wedge issues,s issue that isolate -- host: in the united states the

evangelical influence on the republican party in particular on issues, is that evangelical influence a greater factor in our relations now with israel? guest: evangelical support for israel is very strong. the christians united first part of israel, christian zionists are meeting this week in d.c.. right now within the republican party it is extremely unusual to find someone who is openly anti-israel. host: here is tyler calling from rare for, pennsylvania -- rare furred, pennsylvania. caller: i think both parties are having a disingenuous conversation and discourse when it comes to israel. basically, i implore people to

watch rashida tlaib's speech on the house floor yesterday. it is not an opinion debate, but it is rather she is stating facts about the u.n. and what other human rights groups within israel have stated about the human rights violations israel has committed. host: josh kraushaar, as the president speaks today, what are you listening foreign his remarks? guest: we have spoken about the tensions in the democratic party over israel, over jayapal's comments, one of the goals for israel is to make sure progressives are fully on board. israel has never been, -- progressives have historically been among the strongest supporters of israel over time, and the of herzog is to make sure that support remained bipartisan, and to make sure

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be indicted, and he will be tried. not in the jurisdiction where he is now with the judge who is giving him -- i think he will be convicted. he is clearly guilty of provoking the insurrection and encouraging it and, let his against his oath of office. host: you come to this as an attorney yourself, a member of the judiciary committee as human -- as we mentioned. do you think these trials can be done in this upcoming political year, this presidential election year? guest: they can be. there is no reason a candidate for president should get any

particular privileges or dates than another individual. if a person is indicted on probable cause that they have committed a crime they should go to trial quickly and justice should be meted out. i am an attorney. i i'm also a person who is in the gallery on january 6 and i feared for my life. it was a serious and dangerous condition. the speakers lobby was breached -- if the speakers lobby was breached there could have been violence done to speaker pelosi and others who were leaving. they were banging on the doors. they are could have been violence done -- there could have been violence done to me and others who were in the gallery. when i walked back into the capital, i look at it with reference. this is the same capitol

people have seen since 1865 and the shame that came on this country when it was attacked in that tragic reagan that ended -- break-in that ended the peaceful transfer of power. host: as a member in the minority on the judiciary committee, how has the tone of the judiciary committee changed under republican leadership? guest: the committee has gone to the worst it has ever been. the judiciary committee is supposed to uphold our civil liberties, and be a committee that people have respect in that defends our constitution. what it has become is a political theater for mr. trump. we invite witnesses who are

complementary t mr. trum -- complementary to mr. trump. he also invites people like robert kennedy junior who was invited on thursday as a witness on the weaponization of government because he is running against joe biden. he is more popular -- i hate to say this because i have known robert kennedy for years -- he is a different man than i have known for all of my life. he is a different kennedy at this time, and he is doing harm to biden. he's mostly liked by republicans because he is against biden, and he has found some of these conspiracy it iss -- conspiracy issues about covid, jews, and asians, and he brings

these people to hurt biden. host: on the issue of anti-semitism, we spent the last half-hour talking with the editor in chief of jewishinsider about the israeli president speaking to a joint session of congress, and the house itself yesterday passing a resolution supporting israel. what did you think of the tone of yesterday's debate? guest:guest: i thought the debate was proper. i understand tlaib. she is of palestinian origin. she has relatives in palestine and she came forward and spoke against israel. i thought it was a mistake for her to do that. if i was in her shoes, maybe i would have done it as well. it showed the diversity of thought that we have. there were 7 or 8 members who

voted against the resolution. i thought that was dangerous, but politically there are people who do not see israel as the country that it is. it is still a democracy, and it is not racist. it is not an apartheid country. it does have some differences with netanyahu. they're trying to change the judiciary, which would change their democracy. hopefully, israel will not fall off a cliff towards autocracy, which netanyahu would like to see. he is in legal trouble himself. he does not want to be put out of office. they will be like hungary, like poland, falling into autocracy. this has happened in europe in several countries. it is close to happening in america. trump almost did it to us.

trump already announced that if he is reelected he will try to put more power in the executive. that is autocracy. that is fascism. he came out yesterday and said "i will get read about the communists and fascists in government." may be he is against all of them. i don't think he knows what it is. fascism is what he tried to put on america, and what he would try to do if he was reelected. he would have the justice department be his justice department, and he would be able to go after -- he will get retribution and go after people who have gone after him. it is all about him. host: we have about 15 minutes with our guest, steve cohen.

the house is coming in briefly at 9:00 ahead of their joint meeting at 11:00 eastern. (202) 748-8000 is the line for democrats. (202) 748-8001 for republicans. and (202) 748-8002 for independents and others. let me ask you about this headline from the hill about jim jordan, the chair of the judiciary committee, threatening the fbi director christopher wray with contempt of congress for what chair jordan said were wholly inadequate responses, compliance to subpoenas that were issued by your committee earlier this year.what is going on there ? guest: kind of ridiculous when jim jordan did not respond to a subpoenaed to testify for the january 6 committee. trump weaponized government by

trying to destroy it and overthrow the government on january 6. jim jordan was one of the people who met with trump prior to that and were part of the planning and asked for pardons, and he wons to indicted rate -- he wants to indict ray for not complying with the subpoena? guest: that is -- host: let's hear from bessemer city, north carolina, we hear from mike. caller: i have seen you on the judiciary committee under democrat majority and under republican majority, and you want to talk about hypocrisy? you like alexander vindman, you were like "we have to listen to the whistleblowers." you have whistleblowers coming up from the irs and fbi about all the influence from hunter biden and joe biden, but these

are all conspiracy theories. how come your opinion has changed on whistleblowers when it comes to you and the democrats but when it is against your president, and you're vice president, oh these are ora can -- your vice president, "oh these are all conspiracy theories!" it is always good when it is again to trump. you talk about kennedy! just because he is a little bit to the right of the left and you want to call it a conspiracy theory. host: mike, we will get a response from congressman steve pellman. guest: first -- from congressman steve cohen. guest: first, informants have

credibility. there's reason to believe them, like alexander vindman, regarding the plots that the president had in order to get information on his opponent. one of the informants they had about hunter biden, and it is about hunter biden, not joe biden, was recently indicted for not registering as a foreign agent, and is getting a quarter of a million dollars. it depends on who your informant is. hopefully, they will be legitimate informants and, if they say something that shows a crime by hunter biden, or a crime by anybody else than it should be looked into. i have no problems with that. i have looked forward to what mr. cole or produces. host: we will have the oversight

committee meeting today to hear from the 2 whistleblowers. we we'll have live coverage on c-span3. it is also free on the c-span mobile app. let's hear from mike in stockton, california on the independent line. caller: good morning. i just wanted to say the conversation earlier about the racism or jewish or not, there are racist people no matter what country you go to, or where you are from. i that he was jewish -- his dad was one of the top criminals over here! not only are there racist people, they are criminals too. $2 billion from the saudis and you don't know why we gave them the money, but they keep talking about joe biden and a couple million dollars or whatever crap. $2 billion! we don't know what type of

damage we will have to pay for. he just walks away with the money. i'm not anti-semitic, but i know there are racist jewish people. quit saying that when everyone says they are racist it is anti-semitic. host: any comments? guest: there are issues about why this saudi prince gave $2 billion to kushner's fund, and his advisers who are some of the top economic people in saudi arabia suggested not doing it because he had no experience having run a hedge fund, and they said not to do it. why would he overrule his advisors? president trump in houses -- helsinki in the president of putin said he did not believe in his intelligence officials. it is the same kind of thing. when i was in the middle east, i

had some secret service folks -- state department, excuse me, who were shadowing us and we always have state department people meet with us. this individual told me when kushner came to saudi arabia, he went out with mbl, whatever his name is he never allowed this state department people to go with him. what were they discussing? they were discussing the future. what was the first country trump went to as president? saudi arabia? where did they move their golf tournament to? trump golf courses. host: malik is on the line, democratic caller from west virginia. caller: the word semite has been overused and misused. semitism does not refer to a religion. it refers to a language.

i don't hear the uproar in this country when awesomes are denigrated -- muslims are denigrated or abused. in the constitution guarantees a right to every citizen in this country. congress is being -- host: congressman? guest: i'm not sure i understand that. anti-semitism is pretty much accepted as a behavior against israel. semites are also other middle eastern people. there were palestinians and the ruling government before netanyahu took over. they are not discriminated against. i don't understand what they are saying about the israeli government host: -- the israeli

government. host: you are the top democrat on the aviation subcommittee. the faa reauthorization bill is set to come up in the u.s. house. what should we know about this reauthorization this year? what is in there that is of political note to you? guest: there are consumer segments of the bill. the public was very concerned when flights, were delayed baggage was lost they got transferred from plane and don't get their money refunded in the appropriate manner. there are a lot of areas we deal with that makes passenger airlines treat customers in a better fashion. there are also issues concerning funding with the faa. there will be a lot of issues -- the biggest controversies will be whether we allow more international flights fr in

and out of reagan airport. that is an issue that will divide the senate and the house. there is not common ground found. there will be issues concerning the training of pilots how many hours they have,, using simulators rather than actual flights. those are issues that will divide members of congress. there is an issue concerning the retirement age for pilots. there is an issue about that. there are other issues also, but those are the three major issues that divide us. we need an faa reauthorization bill. we need a new director. there is a gentleman who has been nominated. hopefully, he will get a quick confirmation and be able to put the faa back on a path that makes it more efficient and more

effective. host: joe is in new jersey. you are on with congressman cohen. caller: how are you doing? i have been listening to you and all of your bs. guest: why didn't you listen the previous 15 years? caller: the election and they can indict trump -- they didn't indict hillary clinton. nothing was done to her. she obstructed, and she had no right to have those classified -- her5 bide -- her, biden, none of them had the right to have those at their home. under the presidential records act, president trump had the right to have those at his home his home.

the fbi would you believe them ? i don't know if you have ever been framed. why would he trust them? third, i don't know if you are jewish, i am a practicing roman catholic, there has not been a president more pro-israel than the guy you don't like. we have a guy in the white house now who is supposed to be, a catholic and he is anti-israel. guest: president biden is not anti-israel. he is very pro-israel. he has concerns with president netanyahu, and his attempt to change the judiciary committee to overrule executive acts and other decisions and the court --

decisions in the courts. the what about-ism i hear from republicans is wrong. president trump hid documents and when asked to give them back by the archivist, not giving them back are sometimes giving some and not all, telling his attorney they have all been given back when they haven't, telling the aide to move them around. he lied and put it off for an hour and a half. they are nuclear secrets they are nuclear secret. . this was totally wrong. everyone around him has been convicted of crimes. he pardoned almost all of them because they had the goods on him. look at michael flynn, look at roger stone, look at his whole team.

they were all involved. his campaign manager manafort were all involved in illegal activities. if it weren't for trump pardoning his friends they would all be in jail. who is this guy? they are all crooks and he is too. host: james from lawrence, massachusetts. make it quick. go ahead. james on the democrats'line? we will wrap it up there with your colleagues coming in briefly for a session ahead of today's joint meeting to hear from the israeli president. thank you for writing us on washington journal. guest: thank you for the service c-span provides our american public. host: we have more ahead huron the program. we will break -- ahead here on the program. we will break away briefly for a