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journal", your calls and comments. then, we talk with david mad linda v center foamerican progress about the escalating number of strikescross the u.s. and the overall state of the labor movement. also, california republican congressman kevin kiley on coming government spending deadlines and congressional news of the day. and, real clear politics washington bureau chief carl cannon discusses the 1735 project, which examines americans declining trust in the media and its impact on our politics. "washington journal" starts now. ♪ host: good morning on this friday, july 28. the heat on that punished western and the southern united states was record-breaking temperatures over the past month

is now hovering over much of the midwest and northeast. according to accuweather, overall at least 45 million states -- 45 states and more than 100 million americans will have endured temperatures of 90 degrees or higher at some point this week. this morning, week one to hear from you. is this recent extreme weather due to climate change? if you say yes, dial in at (202) 748-8000. if you say no, (202) 748-8001. if you are not sure, dial in at (202) 748-8002. you can join us on facebook, as well at facebook.com/c-span, a tweet at (202) 748-8003 with your first name, city and state. include that handle. we will get to your calls in a minute. your texts, your tweets and facebook comments, as well.

take a look at some headlines from this week across the country. the arizona republic cited a new study by the arizona state university there is several illnesses related to the heat they have seen in that state. moving on to the daily sentinel in colorado, their headline -- pot, hot, heat. in orlando, the orlando sentinel, the ocean hits hot tub levels in that area. up to minnesota, the star tribune minneapolis, the hottest ally ever on record -- hottest july ever on record. the united states secretary-general yesterday issued a stark warning to the world in reaction to new data declaring july set to be the highest -- hottest month on record. he spoke to the one headquarters. take a look.

[video clip] >> we do not have to wait for the in of the months -- for the end of the months to know this. short of the many ice age, 2023 will shed the record against the board. july has seen the hottest three week. the three hottest days on record and the highest ever ocean temperatures this time of year. the consequences are clear and tragic. children swept away from coastal rents, families running from the flames. workers collapsing in scorching heat. for most part of north america, asia, africa, europe, it is a cruel summer. for the entire planet, it is a disaster. for scientists, it is in equivocal. humans are not to blame.

all of this is entirely consistent with predictions and repeated warnings. the only surprise is the speed of the change. climate change is here, it is terrifying and it is just the beginning. either global warming has ended the -- the era of global boiling has arrived. host: the era of global boiling has arrived. do you agree? let's hear from noris in northern california. north says, yes. good morning. caller: good morning. i agree that global warming is real and to describe it as global boiling, that is accurate. i cannot remember summers ever being like this. maybe it is because of where i grew up, but the fact is, i do

not remember temperatures literally before noon being in the 90's, 95, that is -- it is nothing like it. usually, it would calm down at night. this is ridiculous. yes, i think it is due to global warming. i think it is going to get worse. we are probably a year or two away from some reporting -- some city reporting 130 day temperature. i think that should scare a lot of people to turn around. host: where does this issue of extreme weather, climate change rank or you on issues you would vote on? caller: you know, let's say we got five issues i would vote on that are important to me. right now, because -- from what i understand, it can be turned around, i would rank it three in my pecking order. host: what comes first and second? caller: first is definitely the economy.

second, because i am getting older -- first would be the economy. second, i would say crime. third, i would say the environment. host: and how have you voted in the past? which party? caller: i have voted for a little bit of everybody. it was a situation where i voted for trump in 2016. i did not vote for him in 2020. moving forward, i am going to vote for the party that is going to do something about the environment. it seems like the bidenomics, it looks like it is working. we have a little bit of a slowdown, six weeks ago, in my industry. it changed and turned itself around. everything is back to normal, if not exceeding normal business. yeah, i will not vote for the gentleman. i will not vote for trump again.

i think it is way too much there. i think they are starting to create, they are trying to create a narrative with hunter biden. host: i do not want to go too far down that road. i was just wondering where it rains for you when it comes to voting and how you voted in the past. let's go to larry in iowa. larry says, no. this weather, not related to climate change. hi, larry. caller: good morning. host: good morning. tell us your thoughts. you say no. caller: i think it is due to climate change. local warming. i do not think it has anything to it. i think it is global warming. host: i am confused. you called on the line that says no, this is not related. to climate change. caller: right. host: explain your thought a little more. caller: well, i just go by

everybody trying to do different things. well, i just say no. i got my reasons, but i just say no. host: larry in louisiana, from the new york times reporting -- they note with research showing recent heat waves in the united states and europe would have been virtually impossible without the influence of man-made climate change, many climate experts say mr. biden needed to take a strong stand against new fossil feels. here's a quote, we know almost with perfect confidence we are supercharging these heat extremes by burning fossil fuels. jonathan overpack, the dean of the school for environment and sustainability at the university of michigan added, if we do not stop the burning of fossil fuels, this continues to get worse. wondering if you agree or disagree with this scientist, the dean of this school and that

quote. michael in naples, florida. you say yes this morning. no ahead. caller: hi, thank you for taking my call. global warming is driving this what we are seeing here. as someone who studied the global climate for 30 years, having read first in the balance -- it is tragic and completely understandable. that we are very frightened to face the reality of what the transition to a green economy, a non-fossil fuel based economy, is going to mean for us. being as it may, it is a transition that we must make. that we are seeing just the beginnings as the u.n. secretary

general said, of what climate change is bringing. we have known about this for 30 years. our politicians have been largely responsible, irresponsible in dealing with it. our corporations have been responsible in dealing with it. our populations a totality, both in apathetic state and a -- state. we call out much of our educational system. we have here in florida, where i live, the politicians here, the decision-makers seem to be much more concerned about who is using which toilet then they are about what is happening for our property insurance rates.

they are directly driven by global warming. host: are you able to get insurance in naples, florida? caller: it is -- let's say, it is very expensive. i had a doubling -- actually, 150% doubling of our insurance from last year to this year. host: do you mind sharing for the rest of the country what you pay, to give people perspective? caller: what i was asked to pay from the insurance agency i dealt with for 10 years was $7,500. host: a year. caller: yeah. when i first moved to florida in 2012, we paid $500 for our insurance. we were asked the next year to

pay $6,500. we self-insured for a number of years. then, we moved from the first floor of a condominium that was near the gulf of mexico to the third floor of a condominium that was a mile away from the gulf of mexico. we were able to get insurance, everything on the third floor where we were not able to afford living on the first floor. they reissued it. the previous year -- unit we lived in was completely washed out, the structure they made, by -- everything inside the building was gone as a result of hurricane ian. we got fortunate in the new

condo we moved to. depending upon miracles is a lousy strategic plan. between the reality of climate change and the utter refusal of florida officials -- starting with people like rick scott, who was our governor, to desantis, to address the root causes of what has happened not only in florida but everywhere, it is tragic. it is pathetic. host: we have got others waiting. i one to show you and other ewers this morning a recent poll done by quinnipiac on americans views of climate change. two thirds say they are either very concerned, 42%, or somewhat erned, 25%, about when. 60% think extreme weather events

in the u.s. over the past few years are related to claim a change. 55% think climate change is going to have a significant, negative effect on their world. we are asking you this morning, is this recent, extreme weather, the heat we have seen this month due to climate change? yes, no, not sure are the lines this morning. patrick in chicago, not sure. welcome to the conversation. caller: yes, ma'am. host: we are listening, patrick. caller: ok, very good. the situation that i deal with is, we are in this climate change -- i do not hear anybody talking about, what is the solution, what can we do, what is the process? you are trying to -- if this is

a global problem, what is the solution? i hear no one mentioning solutions, concrete processes we should be solution -- we should be pursuing. it is just complaint, complaint, complaint. where are the concrete studies? what should we be doing now? none of that is being addressed. host: which body of government do you want to address this? caller: the body of government would be -- come up with a plan, show us what the plan is. i do not care what body of government institutes the plan. give us some concrete solutions to this. nobody is saying, they are just saying this is the problem. but, we are not addressing it. host: got your point. the president yesterday, making a public statement about the extreme weather we have seen in this country, saying the threat

we are seeing is posed by climate change. he outlined steps his administration is taking to help communities deal with the extreme heat and its impacts. take a listen. [video clip] >> i have asked acting lever to -- acting secretary to clarify workers have a federal heat related protections. we should be protecting workers from hazardous conditions, and we will. in those states where they do not, i am going to be calling them out where they refuse to protect these workers in this awful heat. second, the acting secretary of labor will work to enforce inspections in construction and agriculture. this is already developing for workplace and workforce heat safety rules. meanwhile, the u.s. forest service will award more than $1 billion in grants to help cities and towns plant trees and in the

long-term will help repel heat and expand access to green spaces so families have a place to go to cool off. to bring down the temperature in cities. the department of housing and urban development's writing billions to communities to make buildings more efficient and more heat resistant, open cooling centers for residential areas and the cities and the communities can go to to be safe. the department of interior is using infrastructure funding to expand water storage capacity in the western states to deal with the impacts of future droughts that are made -- that have made this extreme heat more consequential. host: the president yesterday announcing initiatives to deal with this extreme heat. eric and lisa of the new york times reporting that the kind of measures announced trying to adapt to the effects of global

warming rather than dealing with its source illustrate mr. biden's bind on the climate, even as heat waves smash amateur records on three continents mr. biden has faced a congress that is hostile to limit legislation. republicans unanimously opposed mr. biden's climate law and in recent months have thought to/much of it, calling new solar and wind tax credits enacted through the legislation a gift to china. members of biden's party called for him to be more aggressive in blocking fossil fuel projects. in recent months, he approved a major project in alaska, and through the administration supported behind the mountain valley pipeline which has been the subject of years of legal challenges from environmental groups. folks on the left, not happy with administration on what they have done to expand fossil fuels and those on the right, not supporting with the president

did in the inflation reduction act. susan in newport, kentucky, you say no, not related to climate change, this heat. callergo morning. caller:good morning. ot believe the extreme weather we are having is due to climate change. i think it is something -- it is a phase we are going through. i think every decade, every 50 to 100 years we go through extreme weather changes. i also do not believe in climate change. i think that climate change and all the changes that the elites want, it is a way of taking over our freedoms, exhibiting control and power over us, taking away our choices and beings -- th

ings. i just feel that the media is pushing and scaring people with the extreme weather changes. i just think it is something normal we are going through. i feel that it also may be a way of god letting us know that he is not happy with the way this country is going. thank you. host: ok. john says yes, indiana, virginia. hi, john. caller: good morning. i go back, i am 77 years old and i go back to the 1980's when general hansen, the nasa scientist first started talking about this. maybe he did before. he was talking about what was going to happen. since then, the graph -- if you look at the graph, go back to

the 1930's and look at the graph. that graph starts to go straight up in the 1990's and 2000's. there is no way -- according to core samples they take that look at the climate going way back, there is no time in history when we have had a graph that looks like a mountain shooting up in the last 40 years. i do not know who the people are that want to say this is not related to man-made fossil fuels and the things that we do as humans. at 77, i have grandchildren. i am really concerned about what they are going to be putting up with. my children might be all right,

my direct children, but my grandchildren -- i do not know what they are going to see in 60 years. host: let me ask you, where does this rank in issues when you go to the polls to vote? is this in the top five, climate change? caller: it is -- right with voting, i could put it right with voting as far as the issues. first of all, take care of the voting problems in this country and you'll start to see some progress in the right direction. i am a progressive. i have been on this climate change thing and looked at it for a long time. i have been to protest. i have written my senators and my congressman. i have called the white house. if i am not talking about voting, i am talking about climate change. host: got it, john.

gaithersburg, maryland. not sure, vincent. good morning. caller: no, i am not sure how high the temperature will get. i am sure that it will drop back down as it has done for hundreds of years. and, i am sure that i do not believe in climate change by al gore's own words. 50 years ago, al gore, the instigator of all of this, came clean and admitted there is no such thing as climate change. he was just doing it politically. he wanted to be president. i am sure that 50 years ago, every single, catastrophic prediction never came true. not one time. everybody google it. this is just a ploy for the

democrat party to control -- the lady a couple calls ago said, she nailed it, she hit it on the head. you cannot politicize god. you cannot vote on god's weather. what you can do is get out of the heat, use a fan or air conditioning, use your common sense. get in the water. wait until it passes. host: let me ask you, what are your top issues when you go to the polls to vote? caller: my top issue is, when i vote, i am looking for the party that will be honest, not treasonous, not sell our country out, will do the right thing for the people. everyone in the government, they are accountable to us. we pay them.

but, they turned it around. i am looking for a party that is supposed to be constitutional, not for crime, all of that nonsense. just to do what they are paid to do, what they were sworn in to do. host: got it. let's hear from pat in pennsylvania. you say no to this question. recent weather due to extreme i met change. caller: that is absolutely ridiculous. three things control the climate. the sun, its rotation and the fact the planet is three quarters covered with water. the earth's rotation is not perfect. it is not circular. we have gone through many years where the entire planet was covered with ice, denny years where it was desert. this has happened over many of years. the arrogance of man that he

thinks he can control the weather and affect the weather with -- we pollute. we have cleaned it up. rivers are no longer burning. we do a good job of that. but, we cannot control the weather. the only way -- the only thing that controls the earth's weather is the son, the rotation around the sun. this is a political game that is being played for economics. they want to change everything every election. we know fuel cars, that is the direction people want to go. let's be honest about it. we cannot change the weather, we cannot mitigate one storm, we cannot change the climate. they say weather and climate are two different things. weather is climate on a minor scale. climate in the long run is controlled by the sun, the earth's rotation. host: got it. pat's thoughts there in pennsylvania. as we said, the president

yesterday making this announcement about actions he is taking, touting the inflation reduction act where he included many climate change -- republicans want to do away with some of them. it has been one year since that legislation passed. the senate republican leader mitch mcconnell came to the floor, taking aim at the inflation reduction act which was signed nearly a year ago. here is what he had to say. [video clip] >> yesterday, senate democrats celebrated the approaching anniversary of their toxic spending spree. as the democrat leader put it, this legislation is paying huge dividends. he is right about that. the windfalls from the day lucia liberal spending -- day lucia -- deluge of liberal spending is

going different directions. last year, senate republicans warned anybody who would listen about the dangers of our colleagues plan. we explained how it drained funds. it would not bring on the industrial renaissance the democrats were claiming it would. the climate schemes that relied on chinese components and raw materials would give american workers and job creators the short end of the stick. and how crucial industries would face even heavier reliance on foreign supply chains. but, washington democrats paid these warnings no mind. they round through their radical spending on a party line basis. host: from the minority leader on the floor yesterday, the

majority leader chuck schumer also was touting the success of the inflation reduction act. here is what he had to say on wednesday. [video clip] >> since we passed the ira, costs are down to families. we are creating thousands of good paying union jobs and we put our country back on track to meet our goals to reduce the harmful impacts of climate. costs are down, jobs are up, the amount of carbon going into the atmosphere is down. this is great stuff. very important stuff. since it was a big deal last year when we announced the ira, it is a bigger deal now -- it is actually happening. in every state, we are seeing it happen. in my state, whether it is green energy, whether it is new research, whether it is becoming

the largest offshore wind center in the country off long island, all of this is happening and in every state, this can be named over and over again. the massive investment in wind and solar and ev batteries and storage is all happening. i am so proud, because we are seeing the american economy transform in a way that it has not transformed since the development of electricity. it is all coming for the good of our planet, the good of the atmosphere, the good of climate. host: the majority leader chuck schumer from new york talking about the inflation reduction act and saying, that is helping with climate change. with the heat don't that punished much of the south and western part of the country, now in the midwest and northeast this morning, we are asking you, is this related to climate change? fair are the numbers on your

screen. we are going to keep taking your calls this morning. i want to give you an update on jack smith's, the special counsel's investigation into the former president. this is the wall street journal, new trump indictment said he ordered mar-a-lago camera footage delete it. this indictment also charges maintenance worker at trumps mar-a-lago resort. that part of the investigation has been expanded and the indictment charges expanded bear. they are also waiting for any announcement from jack smith's team about a separate federal charges over the former president's efforts to undo the 2020 election. let's go to sharon in philadelphia. you say yes, good morning. why do you think this is related to climate change? caller: it is all related to climate change. i am so happy to see the united nations finally doing something about it.

we cannot have china, north korea, shooting off missiles, china burns more fossil fuel then ever imagined. there is it -- they are the big ones. they are the big ones causing climate change. they have to be addressed right away. the earth is on fire. i do not know who these people are that -- it is beyond comprehension that this is made up or politically or monetarily, you know, promoted. this is happening. just wake up and do something about it. but, it has to start with the you in and it has to -- it has to start with the u.n. and start with the big things.

damaged ozone levels, people do not know how to say, yes, this is really happening. america, we are doing good. we are doing good in what we are creating to stop it from happening to get away from fossil fuels. i just think it is a definite yes. host: ok. sharon in philadelphia quoting the u.n. secretary general who held a news conference yesterday , he said the era of global warming is over and we are now in the era of local boiling. richard in las vegas sends us a text to say, in vegas, we currently have had 15 consecutive days of 110 degree plus attempts. in 1942, vegas had 17 consecutive days.

i was not around in 1942, but wonder if any political shenanigans went on then, as well. bob in oklahoma. what do you say about this? caller: i have listened to this for many years. i am a retired control systems engineer and have been in many projects around the world making power plants. if people are really serious about this and whether it is real or imagined is not matr in order to do it effectively, it has to be done for everyone at a cost that they can afford. solar panels and windmills will never produce enough power to supply this country with reliable power, online, 24 7, 365 as we used to say. people, if they want to get serious about this, u are going to have to go to a hydrogen-based power system not

only for nuc but fuel cells or transportation type apications and that sort of thing. just has to be for everyone, timately. host: what about hydrogen, bob? caller: i did not hear you, dear. host: why hydrogen? caller: hydrogen is no carbon. that means the first criteria. there was a paper written by a friend of mine at rice university in the 1970's. basically, it is going to a clean environment which meant hydrogen. we have the ability to make hydrogen in a catalytic manner, where we do not have to have all kinds of emissions and things like that. as far as nuclear goes, the small, modular reactors now very

much similar to what was done with the navy for many years. can the employee and are -- employed and are completely carbon free, if that is what you want to do. but, it has to be affordable. host: i am going to move on to david in indiana. you say no. caller: yes, good morning. i could not agree more with the gentleman that just spoke. very eloquently about the alternatives. i live in southern indiana, 91 degrees yesterday. crops are beautiful, soybeans are great, corn is 10 feet high. years are big -- ears are big. 10,000 years ago where i lived, there was five miles of ice, not a human on the planet. the earth takes care of itself.

we do nothing to affect it. can we stop a hurricane? can we stop a her earthquake -- an earthquake? no. can we stop an asteroid? no. host: how do you respond if someone says, can we stop their frequency of those things, hurricanes -- caller: no, i do not believe in that either. going to the electric or matt, what we have done with the inflation reduction act is send money to china to -- they are the biggest manufacturer of solar panels, solar elements, batteries, etc. and have 60% of the mining rights to the cobalt. we are funding trillions of dollars, children digging in caves, digging up cobalt. it is all set up for these

left-wing cronies to make moneys. it is simple as that. enjoy your day. if it is warm, it is warm. if it is hot, it is hot. do what you got to do. host: jerry, you say yes. what are you doing in martin, north dakota? caller: good warning. this climate change, we are not going to stop mother nature. she is going to do what she wants. a lot of this, we have done in every crevice, lake and water we can dispose of our waste. that has not done us any good. we have a lake from farmers that is contaminated and they smell. we have got to clean it up. we have got to be more careful. we cannot bury all of this crab. instead of burying it, take that time and plant more trees, fill

them mountains back up with green and be more careful with what we do. we are not going to stop the weather. that is going to happen. it is sad the south has had so many storms this year, so much distraction. the heat is going to continue. i am lucky where i live. it has not been that extreme, the crops do look good. we green right now, but we are going to have to clean it up ourselves. we made a good portion of that mess. host: justin is in chicago heights. what do you think? caller: well, honestly, i do not think anybody can have an exact yes and no for this. obviously, everybody remembers the dustbowl if you are an american. we can have an effect on the environment. we can reverse that effect.

i think more so, it makes sense to approach it rationally, not so much politically, making -- if you are on the post, maybe building appropriately for the storms. in the desert area, they can build appropriately for the heat. i think overall, it makes sense to be more humble. we cannot control everything the earth does. we have an effect on things, but it would make sense to hedge our bets against things we cannot control and control the things we can. down the line, i think the last four people who spoke have had great advice. host: just in chicago heights. listening to the president yesterday talking about what he says is the threat posed by climate change. [video clip] >> i do not think anybody can deny the impact of climate change anymore. there used to be a long time when i first got here, a lot of

people said it was not a problem. i do not know anybody -- i should not say that. i do not know anybody who honestly believes climate change is not a serious problem. take a look at the historic floods over this year. droughts and hurricanes are growing more frequent. wildfires spreading a smoky haze or thousands of miles, worsening air quality. record temperatures, i mean record, are affecting more than 100 million americans. puerto rico reached 125 degree heat index last month. san antonio hit an all-time heat index high of 117 last month. phoenix has over 110 degrees or 27 straight days. with el niño and the short term warming of the ocean, that exacerbates the effects of climate change, making forecasts hotter in the coming months. ocean temperatures near miami are like stepping in a hot up.

they topped 100 degrees, 100 degrees and are hitting record highs around the world. host: that was what the president said yesterday about the threats posed by climate change. on the other side, here is from fox news. justin haskins, the director of the socialism research center a the heartland institute,his what he says. when many media olets, left-wing politicians talk climate change data, they almost always selectively choose a range and offers an incomplete picture of the larger available data set. this makes iar as if today's temperatures are historic, when they are actually well within normal, historical ranges. heat waves happen every year, but this is not evidence americans are facing a global warming crisis. when heat wave data are put in their proper context, it i clear everything humans are witnessed in the past. been the ugly truth behind climate alarmism is that much of it is

driveny a radical, ideological agenda seeking to transform the glconomy and american society, not science. the best way to fight back against it is use cold, hard facts and those facts show there is no reason to panic about our ever changing climate. who do you agree with? tom in ohio, you say no, not really did to climate change -- not related to climate change. caller: i was going to talk about the dustbowl a little bit. it is a matter of seven or eight years, the dustbowl went on. several states went a couple years without a drop of rain. that is pretty much things that have happened for a long time. i just heard a man talk about puerto rico. i was in puerto rico when i was in the marine corps, i seen 180 teen, 100 degrees -- 120 degrees

in the 1950's. we ain't no climate change, this is something that happens as a natural phenomenon that goes on and on and on and always will. there is a lot of guys trying to make a lot of money off of it. that is all i got to say. host: manny is in denver, colorado. why you say yes to this question? caller: i think to the degree it is happening globally, you can argue that man participation in what is happening, or his degree to what he is doing about it. you cannot deny something is happening. these folks talking about the dustbowl, then our individual things that happened in particular places. they forget to tell you they plowed all the land, that is why it blew away. you can deny it and you can pretend people are doing it to get rich. but, walk outside. walk around. go up to the mountains. i am an avid hiker and outdoors

person. things are definitely heating up and changing. to what degree, i will say, you can argue about it. people come up with sunspots and orbit, that may be true. you cannot deny that something is happening. host: manny, where does this rank for you as a voter? caller: it ranks high for me. without water, which is becoming a problem in our part of the country, what are you going to do? what are you going to do when you run out of water, it is so hot and people start moving? people think you've got migration now, wait until the water starts drying up. the colorado river, the salt lake, they are drying up. people better understand. you can fight about the politics, but think about it. something is definitely happening. i will be voting for that, people who are for reading energy. i think we should at least try,

even if it is not right. if we are making a mistake and doing the wrong thing, at least we are trying. do not stick your head in the stand and give up. that is a defeatist attitude. host: [laughter] we will go to vince next in pennsylvania. you say no. caller: good morning, good morning. i was in iowa for 23 years and had the opportunity to hear a professor from iowa state university, dr. taylor, he would speak to us. this is 1999. people would always say, dr. owen, what about simon change? he would say, climate is always changing. he would always tell us about, he would say the solar cycle. the iceberg solar cycle is some

89 year cycle that has been proven by tree rains -- tree rings. they have used carbon-14, isotopes and people who have researched this. it is the glassberg solar cycle. you have the 11 year schwab cycle and the health cycle and four times that is the 89 year glassberg cycle. 1847, 1936, which was the dustbowl -- and 2025. what we are seeing today according to this professor who used to teach farm iv cycles, there is the defender cycle, which is a 18.6 year cycle. these are all proven. it is proven. it has to do with the magnetic field of the sun that reverses

every 11 years, glassberg, solar cycle. the dustbowl is back. host: got it, vince in pennsylvania who says no, extreme weather not related to climate change. -- conor says yes in rhode island. caller: good morning. i want to say, framing this as a discussion is disingenuous. it is not an opinion, it is a fact that climate change is happening. there are people who accept that. then, there is more on's. -- there is morons. climate change is happening, actively killing people. we need to accept that and fix it and start fixing it immediately. host: do you think the president has done enough on this? caller: absolutely not. host: what more should he have done or do? caller: he should immediately nationalize the oil industry.

we need to start pumping money into sustainable energy. we need to start disbanding the american military. they are the largest polluter in the world. war is racket. host: from the inflation reduction act, what the president was able to pass about a year ago related to climate change. $3 billion total, 10 billion dollars in tax credits to build electric vehicles, solar panels and wind turbines. credit rebates for electric vehicle purchase. $20 billion for loans to promo electric vehicle manufacturing. $20 billion to assist farmers and ranchers with climate change impacts. $30 billion or cities and states to transition utilities to clean electricity. gloria in north carolina. good morning. tell us what you think. caller: good morning.

i do not think there is any such thing as climate change. the man that called people like us a more on, he is the one that is a moron. let me tell you something. host: please mute your television. please meet your television. caller: ok. i will do that. host: you are getting confused. then, continue with your thought. caller: no such thing as climate change. this has been going on since god created this earth. it has been a cycle. every teen years, the heating of the earth, it gets like this. it is just a cycle. you can't change the climate. i do not care what you do. it is going to be like this and nothing you can do about it. the people need to adjust to it and be aware of it and be

prepared for it. host: ok. james, new jersey. how do you answer this question? caller: definitely yes. but, there is nothing to be done about it. nothing can be explained. we spend hundreds ofillions of dollars in b oil company and everything else. what happens with that, we do not spend nothing compared to -- energy and other things. but, the big company -- they do not do anything. they pour their money doing nothing. nothing going to happen because the power industry controls this company -- this country. host: lester, good morning.

welcome to the conversation. caller: yeah. this morning, i got up and it was 57 degrees. if you put that in with that 100 something degrees they got south, we would be 70 something degrees. where this climate increase comes from, it could be from fossil fuels. in fact, it probably is. the climate across here, to compare to the climate where it is hotter, it is a lot larger here. they are not adding these temperatures into that hot temperature to see the world temperature. you have to add all the temperatures in. i know they are not doing it. i do it watching the weather. host: got it. renée in rochester, new york. what are your thoughts on

climate change in the extreme weather? caller: good morning. i was in rochester -- i live in rochester, new york. the liles fires going on in canada -- the wildfires going on in canada have affected us on days where we have been asked to stay inside because of the air pollution that has been out there. these are things we are breathing in. the amount of just -- dust covering cars is outrageous. and in our lungs now. for people that are talking about the climate not changing and it being a cycle, there are cycles. they are called seasons. what is happening is, the earth is getting warmer from within. it is doing things to our ocean like heating it up and causing the fish that are sharks,

everybody who swims in cold water to come up towards the things are beingd --i am sorry, i am nervous. [laughter] my husband and i were just watching the show last night. we had seen how birds that usually do not fly in climates that are cooler who carry diseases are traveling closer to where the united states is because, yes, it is getting warmer. those tropical birds are becoming comfortable in our area , those birds spread diseases to the fishes to the fish who usually swim at the bottom of the ocean because it is colder water. but, because it is not cold they are coming up to the air where it is cooler for them. they are being bitten by these birds. if you cannot see it happening with the icebergs that are melting at the north pole, i

just do not understand what it is going to take for us to come together. realize this is going on, seeing what we can do to try and make this a better future for our children and grandchildren and that is it. it is happening. the longer we look away, the worse it is going to get. that is how we got here. host: i am going to go to john in new jersey. you say no. caller: no. the reasons i say no is, globally, that is from weather or -- our way down from where they used to be. there's pluses to heat changing. or the axis changing on the earth -- i live on the jersey coast. no one is talking about the windmill farms they are building off the coast. you nature lovers should be outraged. the dolphin watching up on our

-- washing up on our coast has nothing to do with these. they will not do a study on it. there are so many reasons to say -- these things man are doing one of the senators said this is the hottest day in 120,000 years. what an outrageous statement by somebody who knows nothing about whether and -- there is no data that kicks us back 120,000 years, but they make these outrageous statements. this is a money grab. this has nothing to do with trying to improve things. we can clean up this earth ourselves. host: money grab by who? what groups? caller: corporations.

we just gave $1 billion to a company that is going to build these windmills. it is going to cost the taxpayers even more money to have these things built. it is such a money grab by big corporations. people do not know the oil everybody's talking about, how much oil is used to build these things, how much oil is going to take to maintain these things -- in the state of new jersey, we are going to have to pay for the maintenance of them. once they build them, the state is responsible for taking care of them. they do not last more than seven years. what are you going to do after? pile them up? whose backyard are we going to throw them at? it is disgusting. it is not right. the elites, the big corporations and oil is a part of it -- these big corporations just do not give a crap about this earth.

host: john in new jersey. i will hear from chester next in west virginia, hi chester. caller: yeah, when i was younger, my grade school teacher would teach us about the rotation of the earth. she said after so long, after so many years, the rotation of the earth and the actual tilt, we would be closer to the sun. she said that is what caused the ice age and stuff like that. what happened to that theory? host: all right, chester in west virginia. we believe it therefore now. we are going to take a short rake. when we come back, turn our attention to the resurgence of unions in this country. we talk with david madland, the center for american progress. later, kevin kiley joins us to

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guest: wages have stagnated and then you have the pandemic where you solve corporations receiving near record profits. workers called essential, literally putting themselves on the line and not seeing much for doing so. you have pent-up frustration that is exploding, especially now that the labor argot is stronger and workers feel more protected than i might otherwise be because there are lots of jobs available and companies need them. they have a chance to express their displeasure and makeup for the stagnating wages and get what they see is their fair share of the profits. host: they feel at this market is stronger and tighter and they feel like this is time to strike. what legislation has been passed either on the state level or federal level over the past 10

years that has helped or hindered their movement? guest: a law that allows workers to be in a union past many years ago and that has not changed. but it has been weakened now exit hard for workers to join unions. the underlying lot is not that supportive. but most recently -- the underlying law is not that supportive but recently president biden passed some things to make it a little easier, like the inflation reduction act and the infrastructure bill that are having strings on labor standards that are help to drive up the floor in is supporting workers. host: what are some of those strings? guest: prevailing wage laws

where a government is spending money and they need to pay at least the prevailing wage in that market and when unions are strong it can't be the union wage. there are apprenticeship requirements and there are some by america provisions so work is coming on shore and sit up in shipped abroad and these are hoping to facilitate. although much of it is a reaction to the pandemic. workers are seeing companies getting hurt profits and they want their share. host: is this a resurgent of the labor union? guest: absolutely. the stat you put up has the shirt with more strikes than last year and lester was an increase from the year before. you also have more workers trying to form unions than in the past couple of years.

the broadest level, public approval of unions is the 70%, the highest it has been in decades. you have half of all workers said they would like to join a union and these are big numbers of workers that support unions and want to join. unfortunately, a law makes it difficult to raise or you have the big difference between what is the actual resurgence. it is not fully formed in terms of actual numbers of people in unions. host: want to invite viewers, democrats dial in at (202) 748-8000, (202) 748-8001 republican's, independents?

(202) 748-8002. look at union membership numbers according to the bureau of labor statistics, in 1983, 18 million workers in 2022 14 million workers. what do you make of that? obviously there is a reduction but have you seen the numbers go up and did it dip lower than 14 million? guest: the general trend for membership has declined. over the long period of time, five it sector union membership is a 6%. that is lower that it has been in 100 years we are near record lows for private sector membership. public is relatively stable at one third. there is a big difference.

50% say they would like to join and 70% support in only 6% of the private sector is in a union. the biggest is that many companies strongly fight workers in their abilities to join unions. they will fire workers which is illegal but unfortunately the laws are weak and has little penalties. they stall and delay and fight against workers getting what they want. host: sean is in north carolina, democratic caller. caller: thank you for taking my call. i would like to ask david about what he things about the ups deal on the unions and say that everybody should be really happy with joe biden passing the

infrastructure bill and putting in the high-paying jobs with unions. and way to go brandon. great job president. we need all the unions we can get. in 1983 i came here and there were unions. they all busted up. where i worked everybody had a brand-new vehicle and you wanted to work there and had great benefits and everybody was making great wages and the union flows busted up and everything went to argentina. what a great job these right to work states have done for us. they have destroyed the middle class. it is about time we get back. i uld like to praise them for theorke for ups. sh you would take the postal union over and get it to where

it should be. host: let's get a reaction. guest: the first question was about the teamsters deal with ups on the new president of the teamsters union. it looks like a big deal. an important process for how the ups workers got there. they work demonstrating how serious they were about getting a better deal. they were showing that they were committed to getting a good deal. ups drivers embody the story i talkg about. ups dude well during the pandemic. everyone was shipping and they were getting near record profits and workers were feeling they didn't get their fair share and now they can express their frustration. they ultimately cut a deal,

elective bargaining at work. there was tension before him but they cut a deal that the drivers got a lots of looked for, significant wage increases for full-time and part-time drivers. they got rid of a two-tier system that was frustrating those hired in the lower tier jobs. the cap protection from the heat, they have air conditioning coming in some of the vehicles which is a concern for those out there all day. this is a good sign that workers when they stand together and have strong labor market behind them and profitable companies cap an opportunity to do well. host: do you think this galvanizes others and where is the tensions brewing? guest: it will be with the knotted -- the united auto workers and the auto industry.

those who are forming units -- unions are seeking to collectively bargain. i see a lot of chances for this basic idea to say, ups divers did well, we can join together and hold firm if we demonstrate this collective strategy. what it they can succeed will have to wait and see but i do think as your question suggests that the ups on the strike can galvanize workers. it would have been hundreds of thousands of workers on strike and that potential said might be able to do it ourselves. host: what will happen with the uaw and the big three? guest: in september the contract is up and been signs that there's a greater share of profits. the big three have typically been doing well.

they announced new high profits in the last quarter. workers will want to bargain. they are concerned at only about a share of wages today but also for long-term and about the trajectory of the auto industry and the shift to electric vehicles and holding onto good jobs. there is a lot of joint ventures the big three have set up that are electric vehicles that are not unionized and they want to figure out a path for those to have the same deal the workers in the core auto industry have right now. host:. as a text from jim in florida. i was a uaw member in the early teen 70's. they stopped horrible labor practices but the downside is they drive up prices for consumers. the big companies will still

make money as they are priced out of the market. that is why we lost jobs being sent out of the country and detritus in the shape it is because of the. guest: there is a concern that if workers get more they will be not competitive. competitive industries are about how productive the industry. you can sustain high wages by having productive workers that have the latest technology investments. the counterpoint is germany, their workers get paid more and they have been successful over many years because their union had the strength to ensure that the companies were making investments so the workers could be productive enough to enable companies to be profitable at

the height wage rates. unfortunately the u.s. victory said we can avoid paying the high wages, we can move to the south and to other countries and spin off parts. as strong as the uaw was, it wasn't able to organize in the same way and so the union wage continued to get undercut and they weren't able to ensure investments in their factories that enabled the most productive workers to get the high pay they need and deserve. host: will in alexandria, virginia, independent. caller: my question is about the center for american progress and it is appropriate not to have a disclaimer for organization that got so much funding from countries like saudi arabia, the uae and the billions of dollars that from that?

guest: we post donors on our website. we post who funds us and we are transparent. host: people can go to the website. it is americanprogress.org. stephanie, a labour member. caller: i am vice president of my local and part of my statewide executive board for the public sector. basically what has happened is it was said that numbers -- members of unions don't have to pay dues but at the same benefits. what we are seeing is a lot of people want of the benefits of

the union but they don't want to participate in paying. our union was made it stronger due to this and have been able to get over 40% wage increase and we are seeing more members every day. our building back up and the issue is we have the freedom foundation. i don't know if people have heard of that where they will send us mailers often saying to opt out of dues and losing so much money from that and because we are losing so many members we are not able to strike or anything. what i am seeing is that our protections are still strong and

people want to come forward and feet members and they see what we can do to protect the rights and top management, so i just wanted to comment about that. host: if it mad -- david madl and? guest: it harder for unions to have members to be strong but there is this long-standing demand workers to form unions and joined together because they can get higher wages and that her benefits and job security and a whole host of things. the long-term benefits of unions, greater wealth and closure of the wealth gap. we are seeing when they join together they can do better but the law is me it harder and harder to make a full using

forces and in the long run the law needs to be on the side of workers, otherwise it's very hard. in the short run, workers can do very well and they stand together and fight against this. as the caller mentioned, her union is strong and spite of tilting against them. host: renee in arizona, democrat. caller: i guess i just have a question, does he sink -- think the law will change to help workers organize? i was part of company where they basically fired leaders and fired myself. when they got sentient i had to get paid back for the weeks i was out of work but my coworkers were demoralized and were scared to get fired. do you think that will change?

the laws are so tilted against workers and that is why we can't unionize and we finally got it but it took her teen years. you think any legislation will cost to fix that? guest: want to emphasize that you make the point better than i could. how broken the law is, taking her teen years of fighting and being intimidated and law barely protecting you against been fired. becky would have to fight years to the reinstated after being illegally fired and in the meantime we just got back wages, no penalties, no nothing. i think you highlighted how broken the law is. will it change?

that is the big question. the reason for pessimism is the law for many decades and hasn't been changed and congress is broken in many ways and has a hard time passing any kind of deflation. there is 20 of reason for optimism. the public mood toward unions is more favorable now than almost any point in history. you have growing support. the law that would change this is called the pro act. a couple years felt it actually passed the house. the senate is still a major problem, efficient date filibuster, so getting to the super majority needed there is difficult but president joe biden is a strong supporter, both for the pro act and has been making broader statements

about the unions that can change the moon and put pressure and other politicians. if the trends continue the way they are going there is a better likelihood of the proactive and other similar prounion laws passing than there has been in quite some time. host: you wrote about it saying congress it should take an approach to support unions. what would it do? guest: the proactive would do several things, the first would be to raise the penalties for violating workplace laws so if companies illegally fired people there should be penalties for that. it would even once the workers form a union, it is still very hard to bargain the first contracts. companies delay and delay endlessly. you can see that at starbucks where they have unionize but none of them have a collective bargaining agreement.

in other cases they are following the law and just delaying and delaying. the pro act would create a system that would create an arbitration after a set period of time to get to the first contracts. those are some of the big moves that are the most important that you have a way to form the union that is fair and a gets the first contract which is key. once you have the first contract, the natural progression of typical collective bargaining can go but generally workers and bosses find ways to get along and work things out. host: starbucks founder testified before the senate committee about these negotiations. what did you make of his testimony? guest: the fact that a ceo was

brought before congress to talk about alleged violations of labor law was a big step. congress, this is my all about roach but you have to put pressure on companies that you do not think are following the law or at least allegedly following the law. it was a big step they held the hearing. it was important that both republicans and democrats said that they liked unions. if you sent to the hearing that was important. and starbucks was at least having to answer for it. i think they could heaven push more on some from the allegations of violations but they were health accountable and for got the public talking more about these shoes because prior to often they happen been raised

for the public does not see. host: if you go to our website can put starbucks in the search engine, you can find coverage of that hearing if you are interested that both republicans and democrats said they liked unions. you can find it on our website. bill in maryland, a republican. caller: i want to go back to earlier in the conversation where there was an example used of unions in say germany. that to me is what sparked this call. what is missing from this conversation is a discussion of

the society and psychology of say the u.s. and germany and the u.s. and these other countries where our manufacturing has gone. we don't have the same work ethic. we are rich and entitled and we don't work hard. i talked to people in my line of work and i talked to managers, human resource people, you are talking about the good that unions can do. sure, but there is an assumption that the people who are getting this support, this education deserve it, that they are working really hard and getting 110% to their employer and helping the business be super productive and efficient and it

just ain't true in america. host: david madland. guest: i'm sure you can find examples of workers not doing fair share but generally american workers are working longer hours than those in those other countries and they also are not getting the same share of profits they once were. they become more productive over many years if you look at the 1950's to 1970's, workers as they became more productive got 100% of those gains, but over the past 30 or 40 years they have come significantly more productive but that prior less share of that. i think the ups workers just worked to get there cash share, think starbucks workers, mcdonald's, uaw, they are generally working quite hard and not knowing what they think is a fair share.

host: eric, buffalo new york, union member. which membership? caller: the ironworkers. i can't say how great the union was for me. i just recently retired, 30 years. a five-year apprenticeship. getting paid it to the apprenticeship program. my v.a., i got paid for my service when i was going to the apprenticeship program. i don't think the unions are pushed enough. the pension. and throw the 401(k) out there and is garbage. on the stock market. every thing revolve around the stock market some but you are at a bigger loss. young people these days do not

understand the benefits of a union. i think the misconception is union workers are lazy. i was in construction and i worked very hard every day. i have a nice pension and pay. also the ceos and management pay compared to worker pay is totally offkilter. bonuses, got high the head of the hospitals. he is getting a 33 million dollar bonus at the end of the year but the nurses are going on strike fighting for more pay and better conditions. come on. who is at fault here? guest: relationship between a ceo and worker pay has gotten out of control click to 1970's,

the ceo made 30 times what the typical worker made at their firm. today that difference is over 300 times. at the same time, the worker has gotten more productive, help the company do well but they are not getting the same share of the gains as they were. that is where this discussion about unions comes in. how do you ensure that workers get a reasonable share of the products they make. collective bargaining is one of the best ways. it helps them have power with employers and they can negotiate and come to a deal that works for both parties. the firm has to agree to it and the workers have to agree to it. and that leads to things like apprenticeships which are a great way to get into the field that you learn while you turn instead of going into debt. you learn skills and are getting paid. you not only get better wages

but at the end of the career you have the ability to retire was something like pension which is overly secure way compared to the 401(k). the last things of the benefits and that i feel is unreported is with a translate to your children. children of union members are more likely to have higher pay than their parents the non-union members because the unique members are able to provide ways that non-unit members aren't. so it is not just the rich second pass on advantages but union members can also. host: you can find more if you go to americanprogress. org and also his book, reunion hobbled avery reform can repair, revitalize and reunite. we are going to take a short break, when we come back we will be joined by representative

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this is the washington post, seeking to delete security footage. your reaction? guest: i haven't had a chance to look at that but there are oversight efforts going on capitol hill and efforts among several committees now into some of the ways in which the justice department has acted across different cases and whether we have the standard of will justice under law and the hallmark of our form of government. those are moving forward and we are committed to upholding these principles in the judiciary committee. host: what evidence do you have or have you seen that there is not equal justice here? guest: you are seen for example investigations underway.

looking at what happen for the case concerning the president's son, there is some inconsistency there. we are not prejudging. our approach has been let's get the facts and see what conclusions we get. host: the mind lori -- the minority leader of new york yesterday was asked if there is a third indictment, what if there is protesting and safety issues. i want to show what he said. [video clip] >> there is the issue if former president trump is indicted again. how worried are you about issues at the capitol? >> i have full confidence --

confidence in the sergeant at arms and that the police will provide a safe and secure environment for staff and visitors and members of congress ever again should we see a violent -- members of congress. it never again should we see a violent attack. we have every reason to believe it was incited by the former president of the united states of america. it is my hope that former president trump will behave responsibly going forward but i am not holding my breath. it is why it will be important for those republicans who currently serve in the house or senate to walk away from the big lie, from the notion that president trump should be sitting at 1600 pennsylvania

avenue right now. they should walk away from the notion that the election was stolen from donald trump. it was not. host: how do you respond to the minority leader? guest: not sure what thoughts he is trying to say. we are dealing with a criminal justice matter and anyone have state right to defend themselves and make the case. the burden is on the government to prove guilt. i can assure you any of my colleagues no way condoned violence or anything along those lines and i do believe with the minority leader that we have tremendous people here and the capitol police deal with issues every day and do a tremendous job keeping those of us who work here at the capitol safe. host: i wonder where you come

down and where some of your republican colleagues have moved for legislation to expunge impeachments when he was working in the white house? guest: i know the legislation has been proposed but i am not aware of any effort to move that forward. i have not seen the text of the legislation so i won't prejudge anything. host: where do you think republicans should focus their efforts on whether or not you try to impeach the president or his son's financial dealings or is it homeland security, attorney general merrick garland? where should the focus be as a party? guest: my focus is on representing my constituents. what affects the most is getting

the economy back on track. our students many people struggling -- there are still too many people struggling with grocery prices and gas prices. people are concerned about the situation at the border where we have seen a record number of illegal border crossings. i am very much focused on reversing that trajectory. it is incumbent on congress, this is an institutional issue of checks and balances as the framers wanted, it is income upon us to provide proper oversight and hold the executive branch accountable. the ongoing efforts we have right now assure we have equal justice in this country there is accountability and americans have full knowledge of whatever influence were brought to bear. these are not optional things

for us to look at. i believe they have a constitutional duty. host: the u.s. economy grew and remains that there will not be a recession from the fed board. what would the republicans do differently? guest: the economy has been in bad shape for the last couple of years. americans overwhelmingly say they don't think the economy is doing well and are not optimistic about the economy moving forward. we have had record inflation has been a tremendous burden on families in every community. in my state of california, cost of living is particularly bad. we have people living our state and more people -- leaving our state and not coming in more than any time in history.

how do we get to an economy where it is growing and steps need to be taken. number one is raining and spending. ash raining in spending -- rei gning in spending spirit we passed hr one. we need to -- spending. we passed hr1. if you talk to small businesses, they are having a very hard time finding the workers they need to serve their customers. that is another area we are working on. those are the three main things but there are other things we can do to expand opportunity. what we see more and more from

this administration is going down the same path of more regulations and more limits on the ability of people to start small business and hire workers and the things that are necessary to have a vibrant economy. host: springfield, illinois. you are up first. caller: congressman, you just spoke and i think he said was nonsense. our economy is doing better that other g-7 countries. we are the best on inflation and down to 3%. everybody on wall street is looking forward to the next six months because they are not looking at recession. my question is you mentioned crime, gas and immigration. what policy heavy you don't with

immigration? guest: i will say that my assessment of the economy that you are taking issue with is not mine but the overwhelming georgie of americans who say the economy is not doing well in their own financial situation is much worse than it has been. real earnings have declined over the last couple of years. that means people have less ability to provide for their families and pursue the american dream. we have to acknowledge the reality and that has been the push to rename bidens economy. as far as what i have done specifically, we passed the

border security act of 2023, the most significant border security administration we have seen in this country in a long time. if it were to get signed into law, it would go a long way to beefing up border security, more physical barriers, reforming the asylum process and restoring the remain in mexico policy, all the things that were working. we have shattered records as far as illegal border crossings. 20 31 shattered the record and 2022 shattered record. you have 1000 -- 2021 shattered the record and 2022 shattered the record. that is it escalation in order crossings and all the problems

come with that and more more people being victimized and the core of human trafficking. more migrants dying due to the dangerous journey, and the norma's risk to our national security -- and the enormous risk to our national security. introduced leg -- legislation to get rid of the so-called sanctuary policies. in eight hearing, it was agreed that these policies are a threat -- in a hearing, it was agreed that these policies are a threat to the united states. host: will go to robert in greenville, north carolina, independent. caller: form -- good morning.

are you investigating the trump children for the $2 billion that they walked away from saudi arabia? i know you're making a big biden deal but does anybody talk about what was going on with that? as anybody decided to get up of the bandwagon on trump. guest: i have no knowledge of what you are referring to? i have not made a endorsement in the presidential race. host: emily, democratic caller. caller: congressman is right about there being a two-tier justice system. but he's got it all wrong. it is not between publicans and

democrats, it is between the wealthy -- between republicans and democrats, it is between the wealthy and the poor. guest: the issue you raised, it is true that those who have means are often better times able to advance to the legal system. i volunteered when i was an attorney and wanted to help give people assistance and did pro bono cases. it is true we need to look at the ways in which non-eagle -- nonlegal access to the court impacts the ability of folks to

advocate for their interests. there is a growing content in this country about issues related to inequality and the like period can tell you in california we have it as bad there then anywhere. california is a much more advanced stage. and as a result of these policies you have the highest level of poverty in california and the most homelessness in the highest cost of living. you have just about the highest levels of inequality and achievement gaps in schools. i have been an advocate for the policies that will close those gaps by lifting people up and expanding economic opportunity and fighting against policies like the attempts to abolish independent contracting this country that we saw happening in california and we see at the

federal level right now. i am a former teacher myself, i taught public school in inner-city and i was the vice chair of the committee and i've seen first hand how filled policies have actually led to achievement gaps. california has the lowest literacy rate. i support school of choice and more accountability and having high expectations and rigorous standards. i think a lot of the problems you are alluded to our rooted in the failure of our education system to give kids the education they need. caller: brian is in doubt -- host: brian is in albuquerque,

new mexico. caller: i worked construction my whole life and dealt with illegal immigration my whole life to one of the main reasons i am an independent is that both parties are horrible on illegal immigration. for example, we are all yelling about the border but 50% of the problem comes to the airports. it is called visa over stays and other party talks about it. the big one is and i would like the congress and to address this, is all the wealthy american employers that hire the illegal immigrants. if you want, i will help you find the company is hiring them, the golf course, spies, hotels. but go to the construction site and look at all the illegal

immigrants building the buildings. publicans don't want to look at those people, the wealthy republicans violating the law and most of them are violating tax and finance laws that we don't hear about that. host: let's get a sponsor. guest: you brought up the important issues. the issue of visa over stays, there are provisions to make that mean something. this is really important and is related to the issues i brought up before of sanctuary policies. in california, we have statewide sanctuary law, even the homeland security secretary saw that we had a man who was arrested for assaulting a police officer. it turns out he was an illegal.

i contacted the sheriff's office and said we want to take him into custody and the sheriff's office had to say no, sorry, we can't do that because sanctuary law prevents us from coordinating and handing him over into your custody. so the man walked out of jail and went back into the community. the very next week i'll -- the very next week, he murdered his daughters and chaperone when he should have been in custody. on the issue of polemic, there is a provision in the border security -- employers, there is a provision in the border security act for employers being penalized. we have to make sure we have the proper channels in place for people to pursue employment legally. in many ways our immigration

system is broken. you talk to employers who will tell you that in agriculture they need to have temporary employees and away for them to pursue that legally. if you talk to people in the high skills industries, they can have one heck of a time getting through the legalities of bringing someone in filling a critical spot in being an asset to the country. i favor efforts to reform the immigration system and i was honored to have the opportunity to attend and speak at a swearing-in ceremony for 1200 new citizens in my district a couple months ago. host: george is in jacksonville, republican. caller: in two talk about the gold asteroid and what will happen when they start mining it. on education and national security, the chinese are number

one in education because they use positive frequencies on their children. every single person in the united states is being given a few good ones but many of the bad ones from wi-fi, tiktok and the smart electric meters. and about both biden and trump having national security documents in the open. they have already been read because these devices i talked about have been here for 20 years secretly and 40,000 people are civilians knows about it. host: do you have any thoughts on that? guest: sure exactly what he was referring to.

host: paul in arizona, democratic caller. caller: the last guy is nuts. let's just forget him. can you explain why more people are working now more than ever and the unemployment rate is less than 3% why the economy is doing great and you say it is doing ozzie? -- doing lousy? crops in florida are going to waste. explain those to us? guest: i will comment on the general point which again, what i am referring to is not my assessment, it is the assessment of the overwhelming majority of americans. the issue of employment, i live in the state of california that has the second-highest unappointed rate in the country.

california has gone further down the road and we see the results and you have to look at the workforce participation rate, which is something that has gone down and the unemployment rate glosses over that particular issue. we have had people dropping out of the workforce and the primary reason is we simply have given people more of an incentive not to work in many cases then to work. if you want to get a sense of the reality, we have the numbers i referred to but i implore you to talk to small business owners in your community and ask if you are having problems hiring and are you able to get the workers you need and i guarantee they will say they are. then it is not just small businesses but larger employers as well. that is a big obstacle to getting us back on a positive growth trajectory when it comes to the economy and also to

getting inflation back to levels where we don't have the real purchasing power of people's paychecks going down as it has throughout the course of this administration. host: the data inflation from cnbc, key inflation rates called to the asphalt to the lowest in two years. inflation shows further signs of cooling in june. the federal reserve follows closely the personal consumption expenditures price index including food and energy, increased .2% the previous month, in line the dow jones estimate. robin in carlsbad, california, democratic caller. caller: i am a california voter, some familiar with kevin kiley. i know he endorsed a german

named williams -- a gentleman named williams who was a big part of january 6. his name was on the permit for january 6. it is frightening when you are a voter and you start looking at this person that he endorsed liz in our city. i can feel my heart beating right now because the last election was scary for the average citizen. and to watch this representative is upsetting. guest: that is 100% false. i know him and i endorsed his opponent who won the election.

host: we'll get a response from the congressman. guest: the tragedy of the fentanyl crisis is affecting every community in this country. it is affected mind for sure. my guess at the state of the union were a couple who lost their son to fentanyl poisoning. he was a senior at my at a high school in my district. had no history of drug use, took

one fake pill and it ended up being lethal. there are tens of thousands of stories like that across this country. what are we doing about it? the biggest issue is the border situation. anyone who is in law enforcement will tell you that this is where most all of the fentanyl in this country is coming from. so that's why it's so important that we take the measures that we need. take the commonsense measures, measures that have been taken before and worked, to secure the border and stop the flow of fentanyl. there are other things we need to do. one is to continue to raise public awareness. i supported efforts to have parents who lost their kids like the ones i referred to go into schools. work with school districts. put on assemblies. talk about the ways these predators who peddle fentanyl are trying to contact people. they are using social media. raising awareness. finally, i say we need to is

hold the dealers accountable. i'm proud of the work of the county i live in and represent where the district attorney there just brought a ground break being case where he secured the first murder conviction in california for dealing fentanyl. and the theory of the case was that this dealer knew that he was selling a lethal substance. he knew it had the ability, the potential to kill his customers. he did so anyway. that leads to an element of a murder charge. that sends a message to those who seek to profit off this poison to stay out of our communities. i have encouraged district attorneys across the country to look at what we did and use that as a model. the messenger: congressman kevin kiley, republican of california, serving his first term. thank you for joining us this morning. guest: thank you for having me. host: we'll take a break. when we come back we'll hear from realclearpolitics washington bureau chief carl

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us this morning. he's the washington bureau chief with realclearpolitics. and the executive editor of the group as well. to remind viewers what is realclearpolitics. guest: a free website. don't have a payroll yet. you go to it every morning. we aggregate the polls. we aggregate stories, left, right, center. we have original content. that's what i'm overseeing. and original content, my reporters, are supposed to be old school. they tell it straight. gety, you worked at c-span, before that we worked at national journal. and between the two maybe the only news organizations in this country that's still trying to be down the middle. host: this new original content is the "1735 project." what is it? guest: the "1735 project" is -- wrote the first essay. it introduced a project. the project is going to examine what's going on in the news

business. why are we considered partisan? what's happened to our business model? what's happened to our journalism model? what do we do to get back the trust of the american people, and what do we do to succeed? i'm going to examine these things. it's going to be a search for remedies, which is the word that their used when he talked about the goal of american politics. it should not be about accruing power. the point of going into politics is to search for remedies, solutions, we would say. i'm going to try to find some solutions in the process. doing it the rest of this year, process of examining what's going on in american media. host: before we learn more, present those questions that you just asked to our viewers. why is the media considered partisan? what happened to the business model? and what happened to the journalism model? it will be really interesting to see. can you do your own little work here on the set this morning talking to viewers.

get some answers to those questions. i want to invite folks to call in. democrats, 202-748-8000. republicans, 202-748-8001. and independents, 202-748-8002. text us as well, include your first name, city, state, to 202-748-8003. go to facebook.com/c-span. or tweet c-span wj. why "1735 project"? where did the name come from? guest: it's name after the year a printer in new york, of the new york journal, the weekly journal, first newspaper in new york, his name was john peter zanger and he was imprisoned for libel. locked in jail. still managed to put up the newspaper. you wonder why. his wife helped and children helped. also in some sense he was a frontman is the wrong word. he was the printer. he printed the paper physically.

the people behind it were louis morris jr., he was the most powerful politician in new york at the time. and their lawyer, james alexander. they put out this paper. and the paper was critical of the governor of new york, governor crosby. had he been appointed by the king. in those days it was a crime to criticize the appointed representative of the king. and libel was -- truth was not in defense to libel in england. the old star chamber proceeding, the court infamously said, if it's true that makes the libel worse because people are more likely to believe it. libel law in england was considered a way to keep social order. prevent duels and riots. people thinking less of the king. in the colonies that wasn't going to fly. so these guys printed this newspaper very critical of the governor.

john peter was locked in jail. 1735 is when his trial came. and a sensational trial t would make a great movie. acquitted by a jury. essentially nullified the english libel law. his lawyer, immigrant from scotland, alexander -- andrew hamilton, argued that you couldn't be free. free was -- people couldn't be free if they couldn't criticize their elected representatives. inkland was rule by parliament than the king. people bought the logic here. the judge disbarred his lawyer, on the spot, for arguing that in the trial. they went and got this other lawyer. he came up from philadelphia and said, no. we have to be able -- he compared it to murder. here's the murder when you present a defense, the fact that there is a dead body donne

mean -- doesn't mean there is a murder. he said we will prove the truth. they didn't prove that the things they wrote about governor crosby were true. it was the principle established that if you lived -- people need freedom of the press. that was where it comes from. the second part is that, this part people forget, this is what i'm going to focus on. we are obligated as journalists to pursue the truth. host: when 34%, according to the gallup poll, of americans trust in the mass media to report the news fully, accurately, and fairly, and that is essentially unchanged from last year and just two points higher than the lowest the gallup has recorded. what's going on? guest: here's the real problem with that number. it's bad enough, but if you just poll democrats, gallup did, gallup broke out democrats in their poll, the numbers support of the press is high. about 70%.

either a lot of confidence or complete confidence. that's unchanged since nixon was president. what's happened is the numbers have cratered among independents and especially among republicans. 27% of independents press is giving to them straight. half the number of republicans. there is a partisan divide. you want to say new, it's been growing since -- those numbers -- since bill clinton left office, george w. bush came in. it's been increasing steadily. as you said, in this era it's almost a dichotomy. so one half of the electric things we are getting the news straight. the other half doesn't. host: you'll likely hear from independents and republicans say because the mainstream media is liberal. and that's why they are seeking out other conservative sources because they are getting what they perceive as the whole story. guest: i get that. we have been liberal for a long

time. but when -- host: who is we? guest: the mainstream press. not you and me personally, greta. but when bill clinton ran for president the first time, there was a poll, i forget who did it, 89% of the people covering bill clinton voted for bill clinton. over that campaign. he got 43% of the vote. that means we were more twice as liberal as the american people. not a highly scientific poll. the point is, even when journalists identify as democrats, identify as liberals, there was an ethos in the news business to tell it straight. to try to be objective. people -- curves complained about that at the time. curves complained about that at the time. the intent is important. political scientist vs. been saying on college campus for years, nobody is perfectly

objective. fine. but you try. and the question now is whether we are still trying. host: let's get to calls and see what people say. dave in california, independent. good morning. go ahead. caller: good morning. c-span is probably about the only news source that i respect anymore. a democracy depends on a unbiased, honest news media to provide them with complete information so people can make informed decisions and informed choices at the pal lot box -- bat lot box -- ballot box. what we have now is a bias, disruptness, corruptness in the news media to the point they are willing to conceal corruption if by exposing that corruption it jeopardizings their political

atkpwepbd -- jeopardizes the political agenda. how they hid the hunter biden laptop. i watched a video of joe biden bragging to members of the council of foreign relations how he had gotten an investigator that was investigating corruption at the ukrainian gas company, that was paying his son upwards of $50,000 a month for essentially doing nothing, bragging how he had gotten the guy fired. he said if this guy isn't fired by the time i get on my plane in six hours, you are getting your $1 billion aid package. they fired the guy. and the media has shown no interest in this. they have shown no interest in finding out what these other foreign companies, including companies in russia and china, got in return for millions of dollars paid to hunter biden. host: dave, i think we heard your point. carl cannon?

guest: that's a good illustration of the problem. the hunter laptop story was suppressed. sad, historic fact. it was -- the "new york post" broke the story. what happened there after that was that 51 members of the -- former members of the intelligence committee signed it, a letter, saying it had all the earmarks of russian disinformation, which was untrue. it didn't have the earmarks of russian disinformation. but secondly, this was a partisan talking point apparently cooked up in the biden campaign. and it was -- that was covered. it seemed to give permission to kind of reporters this caller is talking about. agenda driven reporters. reporters who didn't want trump elected and wanted biden elected to ignore the story. compounding that problem, twitter apparently under pressure from the f.b.i., we

finally learned, suppressed the "new york post." the caller is right. this is why there is a partisan gap. it's understandable to me why a reporter wouldn't want donald trump re-elected. but in the old days we would -- we follow the story wherever it went. and hope for the best. trust the american people to get it right. there is a perception, this caller is one of them, to me it's a reasonable perception, we no longer do that. host: pensacola, florida, rich is there. democratic caller. caller: having been working for 30 years working for the gannett company, i took a company buyout in 2012. what i have seen changing is the lack of copy editing to where in the past everything was fact checked. we made sure that reporters told both sides of the story. those days are gone. the other thing is, opinion.

papers clearly had opinion pages marked. now you have your fox news, etc., etc. they are all opinion shows. and the average reader really can't tell the difference between opinion and news. thank you. guest: i couldn't say that better myself. the copy editing, we haven't gotten into this yet. the business model cratered. everybody knows this. newspapers used to be -- greta, i worked for the san jose mercury news for 10 years. that paper probably made $75 million in clear profit every year i was there. so you can do the math. now it's a building, the newsroom's gone. there were 350 reporters, editors. big vibrant paper. had two people in washington. i was one. one in tokyo and mexico.

our paper got rid of ferdinand march coast. we were a robust paper. what happened the subscriptions disappeared. and now we can't even afford copy editors. it's an existential crisis. people have written about it. margaret sullivan, who worked at the near times -- "new york times," she's continued to follow this. they are called news deserts. the office now is half a dozen people. they are heroic. they work hard. probably large than that. a small office in downtown. the newsroom is gone. papers all over country are like this. what's really worse is the demise of weekly newspapers in the small communities. people have written about that. nancy gibbs wrote a piece, former editor of times, how these -- whole counties without newspapers. in states where they have two

senators, 900,000 people, and nobody is covering anybody. the new jersey delegation is uncovered now in washington. there is not one person here in washington has to pay attention to the new jersey delegation. david simon, the writer i worked, he was at the "baltimore sun" when i covered the white house for the "sun" he wrote the wire. i was in a seminar with him on the "boston globe" story since the pryce -- priest, he said there's never been a better time to be a corrupt politician in america. that's a sad statement. true. but what this gentleman talking about that worked for gannett, we can't afford copy editors at the newspapers. a new business model has to come. we can't handle democracy if nobody is covering politicians and fairly. host: what was the old business model? guest: the old business model was monopolies. didn't have competition.

if you wanted to find out what was going on in that city you had to take the san jose mercury news. moreover, if you wanted to do anything, a transaction, sell a bicycle, apply for a job, list your house had you to write these classified ads. didn't cost much. $15, $20. but there were thousands in the paper, 365 days a year. it was a printing press to make money. i realize something was amiss several years ago. i was walking in san francisco. the town where i was born. my friends -- the city where i was born. my friend, steve proctor, he worked at the sun together. he was the managing editor at the "san francisco chronicle." he pointed up the he hill and said craig lives up there. and i said who is craig newmar? you don't know. he's the guy who has taken $50 million out in the newspapers in the ad for the last five years.

that's great. and the guy doesn't even charge for it. there was a building, maybe the whole journalism department at columbia is named after him. if he hadn't done it, someone else would have. but this -- with the click of a mouse you can list or sell anything in the country for free, that crippled newspapers. host: what's the news business model? technology is not going away. guest: there are different models being developed. one of them is the partisan model. that's one business model. that was roger's big idea. fox says, fox news, i think they are in this building here, they famously said when they started we are going to be fair and balanced. what they meant really was, i

don't go around bashing them, they are going to be fair because they'll provide an alternative. the whole rest of the media is liberal, we are going to provide the balance. inside this company they add add joke that say, they were a niche market. half the country. so there was a feeling that people -- not everybody was being served. in those days in the 1990's this give raise to rush limbaugh and his many imitators. these conservative drumbeat hard right stuff, the idea was the mainstream media had sort of sraored -- veered this way. but when the business model goes, then -- it's harder. that's one model. partisan. nonprofit is another. propublica, the investigative site has done great work. none of these models are perfect. the problem there is that original seed money given by liberals.

republicanna tends to investigate not liberals or the other side. i know some of the journalists who work there. they are principled people. at the end of the day there is pressure when you get money from one side. another model is the nonprofit model. we are in transition. i don't have a good answer. if i did i would be rich. but that's where i'm going to be exploring in this series as we go forward. host: ramon in oklahoma city, republican. ramon. caller: yes. host: your turn. caller: good morning. host: good morning. caller: the origins of covid ever come out? or ol stiffer stone to make a movie about it for the truth to come out. host: the covid story. guest: the oliver stone reference. oliver stone made a movie, the

c.i.a. killed jack kennedy. i don't believe that. that's a perfect illustration. if you don't just go with the facts, if you don't just shed light on a topic, conspiracy theories will develop n this case -- develop. in this case, the covid story ts

another one that conservatives point to, rightly, to show the weaknesses in the modern press. the weakness is when you are interested in results or agenda instead of the facts. anthony fauci, who i covered in the old days when aids was a story. i had a great deal of respect and regard for him. the way he handled the aids crisis and growth he showed. and he stood up to both sides. but in this case when he lost credibility relatively early in the process when he told people you don't need a mask. and then the government told you you damn sure do. and you bert wear one or can't

come in our building. it came out he was afraid people would hoard masks. so he said that. you can say it was a light lie. people have written books about lying. that's not a venal lie. it undermined his credibility. so then when people started saying, if you think that this virus escaped from the wuhan lab, a lab of virology, it's the obvious thing. you can't even mention that or you are a racist and conspiracy theorist. when reporters said that, journalists, supposedly straight news journalists, not opinion, when they said that, as it's come out, it's uncertain where it came. most people think that's a possibility, maybe a probability. including now the federal government of the united states think that's the most likely scenario.

but for two years you were denounced for saying that. people were -- platforms used an unfortunate word of our modern time were saying, it was the most obvious theory. again, that cost us in the media, mainstream media. i say yes. i was born and raised in the newspapers. my dad worked for the "washington post." i worked in newsrooms. i'm in the media writ large. host: peter in lakeland, florida, independent. you're next, peter. caller: hey, thank you for having caller line. i think i might give you some great examples. i wanted to know what number was before there was total failure in the media? think about this call. "the new york times" and "washington post" still have pulitzer surprises for the lies that they printed about the russian lie and trump. they got pew hitsers. they haven't even given them up. we are wondering why nobody

trusts the media. look at all your news sources. tell me one that ever came out against the war. we have iraq as weapons of mass destruction. say anything else you get censored. you say something about aoeufr phebg continue and you could cost pfizer billions of dollars and get deplatformed. this is what it is. the money's changed. the oligarchs have a tight noose around everybody's head. we don't have a free media. we have a corporate media. media that billionaires launched. host: take that point. guest: well, he mentioned iraq war. actually there was a very robust debate in this country. i am on capitol hill about the -- on capitol hill about the iraq war. host: after we went to war? guest: before. there were votes. george w. bush put it not just the u.n. to the house and senate. there was narrow votes. he didn't listen, the president didn't listen to ted kennedy. don't go there. there was a thought among

principled democrats that george w. bush was asking them -- giving them a choice they couldn't win on. that they either had to cripple a president with a country that was attacked or not go to war. the media was on all sides of that question. later turned against the war, as the american people did. that's actually an example. that's 20 years ago. march of 2003. fast forward to today. the media, you don't have those internal debates you had. you don't have -- you have that news organization is pro-biden. pro-trim-u trump. that's how the old party system was. zanger was partisan press. in the 19th century it was the same way.

true. you couldn't get the true everywhere. you could get if you went to enough sources. that's the theory. that still holds. except that what we know is people don't go to multiple sources. they tend to want their views re-enforced. facebook, social media. there are algorithms that play into that prejudice. that prey on your fears. go to your computer and do a search you'll see what comes up. the news media is being balkanized and so is the american public opinion. a poll of democrats, i guess a majority would believe that hunter laptop, was russian disinformation. they gone to check this or gone to other sources. likewise, look at the surprising number of republicans. mainstream, grassroots republicans, tens of millions of them, who believe the things trump said about the election. he cited no evidence.

they believe it because they haven't gone to other sources. the problem with having a balkanized news media is people tend to get a parking space and stay there instead of go through the bizarre marketplace of "wall street journal," "new york post" this day, and "new york times," that online. people don't do that as much as they should. most people don't do it at all. host: william is in ohio. democratic caller. miamisburg, ohio. caller: hi, greta. nice to talk to you again. i miss the old 88-year-old tennessean. like i said before, any time that you got crooks, politicians and a government what more do you expect? it's not only in federal. it's in the states. it's a shame. look at our great speaker of the house here in ohio. took $64 million.

his associate, mr. bogus, who is in charge of the republican party, he was a part of it. so he's got seven years now. it's just a shame. until they get big money out of politics, you are going to have nothing but crooks, politicians, and a government. it's just a shame. host: all right. get a response. carl cannon. guest: there is an old phrase from -- comes from york, no man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session. i think our caller is a libertarian-leaning independent who dislikes big government. look, government in my opening essay, which i encourage anybody to go to on realclearpolitics, it's free, "1735 project," easy to find. put it in your search bar. i -- opening essay deals with government dysfunction.

the polls that show a lack of trust in the media. and lack of trust in politics. these two things go hand in hand. i submit to you that that's dangerous. these are two institutions that people have to trust in a self-governing society. or it breaks down. fair point to make. host: south carolina, republican. caller: hi, good morning, mr. cannon. what i'm calling about the biggest thing that should be in every news station is the evidence they are finding that the bidens are corrupt and been taking money from foreign countries. and then about hunter heiden when he -- biden when he went to

court yesterday and thank god, the judge didn't find things right. so the whole plea deal just went kaput. host: ok. the decision behind what an outlet covers. and how much of it do they cover? guest: everybody knows, most people can spot a slanted news story or a biased news story. but the decisions are made earlier in the process. as you know, you worked in the industry. there was a reluctance in the legacy media to cover everything that came out of the hunter biden laptop story. even things like getting $5 million for a no-show job from a ukrainian energy company. hunter biden doesn't know anything about energy policy, doesn't speak ukrainian. it's corrupt on its face.

but we elected to go there. thus reluctance is gradually eroding as you are seeing this week. cbs asked a question about it yesterday at the white house briefing. this is starting to be a story no one can ignore. and to take a step back, i don't know that the press is doing the democratic party any favors at this point by euging -- ignoring the story. if it comes out joe biden took bribes you think he would like to find out before he was the nominee. some can still get on the ballot, this is a story everybody needs to pursue. if the stuff about joe biden, hunter's corruption isn't well documented. but stuff about joe biden being the big guy who took 10%, that turns out to be hunter biden's whiskey talk. or exaggeration, or something he said to people. it's quite possible.

joe biden should be cleared so he can have this election without this cloud over our heads. this is why we don't -- we don't even help necessarily in the long run the people we are trying to help as agenda driven journalists. trust the american people and report the hell out of all these stories. they are not always as sinister as they sound. the ole phrase the cover-up is worse than the crime. that's not always true. the cover-up does leave a bad taste in people's mouth. and it undermines trust in the organization doing the cover-up. whether that's the government or press. host: how does that impact turnout for voting? guest: well, turnout for voting is a different issue. we had an interesting stories, realclearpolitics had one, why did the red wave not materialize. we think now the best theory is that democrats just did a hell of a job on their ground game. they turned out their voters. and republicans have alternately

complained about that. whined about it and said, ballot harvesting is corruption. you are buying votes. they are now saying, all right, we better get in the game. high turnout depends on a lot of things. the point you made is right. barack obama won re-election with fewer votes than the first time. why? he ran an aspirational campaign the first time. second time he ran a nasty campaign against mitt romney. what american voters want is to be inspired. they want positive campaigning. we in the press keep writing the own thing that works is negative campaigning. we know that other things work. one of the things that work is to appeal to people's better natures. to do that i also -- don't mean to sound like a johnny one note, you need a vibrant press that reports good news as well as bad. host: boulder, colorado, max?

caller: hi. good morning. i appreciate the conversation. and your guest. it was brought up earlier about the politization of the mainstream media. and i tend to agree that it's true. i'm about 50 years old. i was able to experience a lot of the news before it got very opinionated. i would have assumed that the liberalness of the media is natural because when you are a journalist out in the field. you see the oppressive nature of media for conservative ideology, you see people suffering through the hand of the government. when you see how people in power tend to abuse power, i just sort of assumed that journalists

would naturally sort of be touring the liberal view of the world. that's how the liberal media sort of be the dominant one. host: max, difficult to hear you. i think we have it. guest: i think i did get it. it's calling from boulder, colorado. i went to school there for four years. great school, great town. where i majored in journalism. he is on to something. traditionally reporters have always favored the underdog. since the early 1900's. you have these crusading reporters. the muckrakers they were called. a lot were women. they were pioneers in more ways than one. how was it put? the purpose of a journalist is to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable. max in boulder that's still his

mantra. i think he's right. and wait that newspapers sort of rationalize for most of the 20th century that reporters were maybe more liberal than the people they covered was that, well, ok, we are liberal. but the republicanner's -- but the publisher's republican. the page is being made more republican. it balances out. it seems like a crude thing. how could that balance out. you know what's interesting about it? there is one newspaper in america that still has that model, the "wall street journal." it has the reporters are -- the reporters are probably more liberal than the country, they play it pretty straight. and the editorial pages is concerned not pro-trump. but conservative. that model works. people like it. maybe we shouldn't have gotten away from it. here's another problem, though. the problem isn't just the reporters are liberal.

because that didn't mean -- it didn't mean during the muckrakers they were democrats. more were republicans than democrats. when the republican party had liberals, moderates, and conservatives, when the democrat party had liberals, moderates, conservatives, they complained about that. ideological coherence in the parties. he complained about it. the american political science association delivered a paper in 1950, landmark paper on this toward a responsible political -- two-party responsible political system. they used the word responsible the way we would use the word responsive. they advocated that we should have coherence. based on the british model. well, 12 million americans who come home from world war ii didn't think europe had anything about how to govern itself. it was front page news in every paper of the country.

laughed out of court in public opinion. but now it's come about. because something franklin roosevelt wanted, not because the american political association, this country has gradually become -- if you are a republican -- conservative now you are in the republican party. if you are a liberal now you are in the democratic party. there are exceptions. the numbers of us in the middle. that's what happened and it turned out it doesn't produce responsive or even responsible politics. it produces gridlock and dysfunction. so the model going forward has to be, i think, i'm getting ahead of myself because i haven't reported this for the essay yet, but i think what we need to do is to pay more attention to how we are perceived. not just perceived by the people in our corner. but by independents. by this guy like max. we probably ought to think that we are not a political party if we have a newspaper. we taout have readers who are

republicans, independent, and democrats, if we don't we are doing something wrong. host: the project is called the "1735 project." first essay is out. you can find it on realclearpolitics.com. how many will there be? guest: i haven't committed yet. more than a dozen. host: follow along on the realclearpolitics website. also follow them on twitter @real clear news. follow carl cannon there @carlcannon. thank you for the conversation. guest: my pleasure. host: we'll break take a break. when we come back we'll be in open forum for the last 15 minutes or so here of the "washington journal." any public policy or political issue on your mind. start dialing in now. a book tv ever sunday on c-span2, features leading authors discussing their lateiers nonction books. at 9 p.m. eastern, freedom fest

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and he wants to straighten out journalism for both sides, kind of thing. and how much he hated the fact that there were no longer local newspaper newsrooms. which is true. i miss those. i miss my own local newspaper. i used to read the politics. maybe under that guy's watch. in 2017 they got rid of all their journalists, so to speak. started sourcing their news from conkhrapl racials like they had -- conglomerations like they had been doing previously with their polls. in fact, right about the time of trump's ascending seat to the presidency, they very much made a right-ward turn. a lot of their articles they come from federalists. that sort of thing.

you allowed this guy to present himself as a voice of reason from the middle trying to get both sides liking journalism, or publications that exist nowadays. he's not. he was gas lighting you the whole time with what he does and what his company does. i could go on and on about it. host: mark. i hear your point. too bad you didn't get in so he could have responded to you. that is why we have a call-in program. so that people like you can call in and ask questions of our guests. challenge them. give them your point of view. and they can respond to it. barbara in st. petersburg, florida, republican. hear from you, barbara. good morning. caller: hello. host: we are listening barbara. you have to mute your television. caller: ok. hold on. i am.

can you hear me better now? host: yes, much better. please tell us what's on your mind? caller: i was watching tv the other day and they had a republican-democrat meetings or whatever. and people are standing around talking on their cell phones and then somebody is making announcements for what has to be happening or did happen. and they wonder why we don't have faith in the government. if you are sitting down and there is somebody talking, you don't need to have your phone on and be talking to other people, not even paying attention to what's going on. host: all right, barbara. wanted to let you know what's happening in washington today. today at 1 p.m. eastern time, on c-span, here on c-span, also on our free video mobile app, c-span now or website.org,

watching a conversation about democracy in israel. sponsored by the skwraourbish democratic council of america. and then at 7 p.m. tonight, there is the iowa g.o.p. lincoln dinner and all of the candidates are descending on iowa f this dinner. we'll have live coverage on c-span, onur video mobile app, c-span now and our website. c-span.org taking place in des moines, iowa. our campaign 2024 coverage continues. george in tkpwrapbville, ohio, independent. hi, george. caller: hi, greta. i just wanted to call back with a little bit, general feedback, on the segment this morning. it's been rather disheartening. as a 33-year-old american with a child on the way. i'm just wondering, what is the value and continuing to platform people like carl, your previous guest here, and his earlier

years he trumpeted propaganda. karl rove, george w. bush. we have seen the direct results of belief in policies like this. can you go ask the hundreds of thousands of dead people in iraq and afghanistan. they would probably have some great feedback on that. do we want more of this? on the other side as an american, we watched our health care system, education, and wages get ravished in the country while we were -- host: watch your language. mason in new york. democratic caller. nathan. caller: thank you so much. i just wanted to say about five seconds who would have thought this circus would come to town. it may not be good for america, it's damn good for cbs. that's all i got to say. host: nathan, your point? caller: the laughter and cynicism you were talking about trust in the media on the

previous segment. when i think about all the money in politics, and then the recent statement by raoupert murdock, it's not red or blue, it's green. i just wonder about the decisions being made at the top of these organizations and how they filter down. you read about paul ryan being on the board of directors of fox. it's like it's his role to seem cool at parties? does he have editorial instphut how does that work at the very top of the media organizations. host: am hearst, new hampshire, republican. caller: i called because one thing i never hear discussed is dr. steven greer's workshop. was the first part of june, first week of june. he had real whistleblowers. one that was the most interesting was this gentleman

named eric hecker, i think, and he was in antarctica. it caught my attention because john kerry went there the day that president trump was inaugurated. and barack obama went down there. and he said -- he was the head of a station maintenance. he had a kwhraoerpbs to go everywhere. what he said was, we have the world's largest directive energy weapon in antarctica. and also he said that we have this planet-based space force that is made by raytheon. these craft that have been doing cattle mutilations and things like that. no one will talk about this. then yesterday -- day before yesterday whenever star watching testimony in congress, that person who was speaking had no

personal experience. and these men on dr. greer's workshop had all personal experience. and they had come out and signed things with the government that there were whistleblowers. i think we are being lied to about this. one of the gentleman said that he was a marine in indonesia and this happened in 2009 or 2010. this group of marines came upon a craft and they found out that they were -- it was another one of these craft that we made that looked like what we see on television as u.f.o.'s. they were carrying drugs. and people when they go into these areas and pick up people. host: ok. referring to the hearing this week on what have been primarily

called u.f.o.'s, now the government referring to it as u.a.p.'s. unidentified, aerial phenomenon. we covered this hearing. you can watch it in its entirety and decide for yourself. you can also, if you hit the play button on the video player for that hearing, watch the key moments to get an idea of the question and answers that lawmakers heard on this topic. here on the "washington journal" yesterday we talked about the republican in tennessee who spearheaded to get that hearing yesterday. if you missed that conversation, find that on our website c-span.org. from news week, threat of government shutdown lingers as congress heads for august recess. if congress cannot agree on top line federal spending numbers by october 1, the united states could face a government shutdown, and time to reach an agreement is running out. funding for federal agencies dry us up on september 30 when the

fiscal year reaches its end. house commanding sharp cuts. heated negotiations loom on the horizon. despite 64 days remaining between now and the september deadline, congress has just 18 working days left on the calendar as lawmakers leave capitol hill today to begin their annual august recess. while some of them believe that it will be sufficient time to reach an agreement, others are preparing for a shutdown if they don't get what they want. ken in myrtle beach, south carolina, independent. caller: hey, greta. how are you? host: good morning. caller: i just got three names to throw out to people. i'm a 59. my dad is a real journalist. he is 97 years old. i grew up watching all of them. walter cronkite, chet huntly, and david brinkley, what do you think those people would think

about the news media today? a lot of people don't realize most of these guys were -- they probably leaned democrat, but they were probably real journalists that tried to get to the point. actually get-d some fact checking. all the stuff that goes on the internet all this stuff we hear. left, right, center, and the other, i wopbder what they would think about the state of journalism today. most people have to understand at that time i guess the vietnam war and everything else was going on, there was so much going on. we didn't have all the information, but it seemed like back then those people actually tried to get to some kind of truth. we have a gray, middle. somewhere in between. i really -- the guys are all dead. what they would think of the state of journalism today. host: iris in poleena, louisiana. democratic caller.

make it quick. the house is going to gavel in for a quick pro forma session. caller: sure. thanks for taking my call. my statement is this, i have been a lifelong democrat. i'm an older woman. and i do watch a lot of the news. my ancestors were all democrats. it's hard for me to think of myself as a republican. but the democratic party has gone so far left that i basically decide upon myself, a christian, to listen to different sides, and i'm made the decision not long ago to become a republican. it's hard to think of myself as a republican, but i am more aligned with the views of the republican party now than i was with the democratic party. and i'm beginning to see a lot of my friends feel the same i