in any of those states where it is legal. i'm sorry. i know you are one of the lawyers up here who is fighting this. the thing to me that jumps out about it and why i think this avenue is so important is not just because we need to increase access to medication abortion. but because of the preemption clause. federal law preempts state law. it allows her medication abortion and federal law allows for telehealth across state lines that is an avenue for women and states have banned abortion to get access to it.

depending upon the draconian measures that are taken in the states. i am curious what your take is on that argument? >> i feel like i may be a bit of a broken record on this. this is all legally unprecedented. we frankly do not know and i cannot speak to exactly how that theory might work. what i can say is this is a perfect example of how when some states have banned abortion and seek to eliminate this it has a cascade of consequences. and i think the reluctance and fear even amongst some of the national welt resource entities that you are talking about, they are afraid. they are afraid for a reason. they are afraid the attorneys and generals of states who have begun abortion are threatening every single person they can

think of with prosecution. even where it is clear these pharmacies could become certified and dramatically increase access. one of the thing experience is abortion is only a reality when you can get it. when you have the funding to get it. when you have the support to get it. and when pharmacies make decisions due to political realities they are denying people access. those people are disproportionately black people of color. and so i encourage those companies and every other national organization to support people's health and their well-being to respond a different way. the fda made those decisions because their copious scientific evidence supporting the use of telehealth to provide medication

abortion. when we make people afraid in this way it does not matter necessarily because it will not be a reality. the fda made the correct judgment is safe, effective it is a huge problem. even threats coming from states have banned abortions or intimidating corporations like that. that is a sign of a legal crisis that we are in. there is absolutely no reason those companies providing medication abortion. >> when you talk about the impacts on states that permit abortion, this is where we are seeing it. these companies have pharmacies in those states and they will not distribute and states that

allow it because they have not gotten their national certification. and doctor you have spoken to this so passionately and sensibly and cogently which is there is a reason the fda is charged with overseeing our scientific prescription drugs and medicine. there's a reason why politicians are not. and there is a reason frankly why judges are not. i'm so i applaud your efforts to bring to light how important it is for the scientists in the room to make these decisions. not the politicians or judges with personal views that are infecting their opinions. the last thing i will say and i know we have been here a while and i appreciate your time.

i agree there is a lot of pressure especially illegal pressure on a lot of these companies. but i think it is high time we start putting political pressure on them too. that is what we were trying to do with this letter and that is what will continue to do. they need to hear from the american people it is long past time they get certified and provide access to this incredibly safe medication that allows women to make their own individual choices about their own reproductive healthcare. i am very grateful we had this opportunity and thank you all for coming. i look forward to continuing the work that we all have to do to make sure abortion is accessible to everyone. >> thank you. that was the end of our

panelists questions for this roundtable. we think every single one of you all for answering and being so open. thank you for that. we are going to go ahead and close. we are going to start brief closing remarks. >> i am going to keep it brief. congressman goldman, really just threw me in alley you put which we tend to do on this committee for one another. because i think what he was getting at is the intersection analogy that exists. and by that what i mean is a lot of people what to act as if this is a fight about pro-choice pro life if you are pro-choice you are not pro-life and all this other nonsense. you all have laid out the disproportionate impact.

if you have laid it out and said it's not just a matter of access it's a matter of financial burden you laid out all of the things that we have talked about the numbers. especially when we start talking about women of color. but one of the things dan was saying it is basically he does not have a uterus but he stands with those of us to do. but the point to be made as this is not a fight at should just be women. this is all of our fight. in the way i want people to understand this is you do not have to have an opinion if you feel like abortion is something that someone should or shouldn't do. because to be perfectly honest it's nobody's business, we can start there. but, in addition to that this is the only healthcare decision we do say is a public decision. otherwise we're used like hippo, view all heard of that?

wartime hippo, hippo, hippo, cannot tell my business. but the government is all up in this healthcare decision. i if you don't understand you sit on the sidelines and believe this is not my fight just to know if they are coming for something that you care about next this is all of our fights but we look at the supreme court the supreme court did not stop every pro rate that is the beginning the supreme court then went after this website situation just to do something to the lgb tq ia community makes them feel as if they are lesser than. they then decided affirmative action, why not? we are doing good right now let's go after more people. so, to be clear it's not whether or not you agree it's whether or not you believe in democracy. you are pro america, pro- freedom then you should be in

this fight. it does not matter if you have a uterus. it does not matter if you feel like that is a decision someone should make. what you have to understand is this a fight is just getting started. and unfortunately it is already getting ugly. the only people it seems to be protecting right now or old white men. if you are not an old white man they are coming for you. that is michael wrapping up beau at this conversation is that it is all of our fights. it is not about whether or not you agree with abortion itself. because half of the people fighting against this do not have an understanding of how a woman's body works in the first place. i know we didn't get on it you didn't talk about how many times a woman actually aborts a fetus naturally. it is literally survival of the fittest.

it is a lot to actually be pregnant. and unfortunately got a lot of women right now specifically in texas that have fought to be pregnant and literally because pregnancies are not just a walk in the park, they are definitely difficult on a woman's body, we have women who wanted their children but because of dumb lawmakers thinking they know better about what a woman should and should not be able to do they will not be able to bear a child. that is a problem. that is not what freedom looks like that is out this country is supposed to look like. so i thank you for being on the front lines and we have got amazing girl power here, i applaud danna for bringing it up. it is everybody's fight. thank you so much for being here. >> thank you. and again to our panelists, thank you for sharing. thank you for bringing forward the resources. i will just say it lastly we

won't allow. we haven't and we won't allow some right wing agenda to get in the way of healthcare. this is healthcare for people. i'm thinking of these five bills again but we say it when i have an asthma attack and i have to go to the hospital, i have a sinus infection to give him a pill packet is bigger than this. it's more pills than this for my asthma attack. five bills, five bills for a human being. five pills for a human being to take care of their own body, eight necessity that should only belong to them. between them and if they have a provider that provided this is the decision of the person who needs it. so every birthing person every pregnant person that needs it, get the care you need if you need the resources listen to this over again and we have people who are available.

we have doctors appear. a specialist that can help you. we have a lawyer's up here. these organizations and these folks are ready and willing to help you regardless of where you live. we want you to know the resources are there. no matter where you live, no matter what attacks have come, no matter what they said you can and cannot do. no matter what they said you can and cannot do. no matter if they threaten jail, any at that get the information to have the right information. because there is miss and disinformation out there. we just sent this organizations are the lawyer organizations? >> if when how lawyering for reproductive justice they are legal help line. yes go there to get the information that you need and where weakening her pills? plan c pills.org to navigate your resources. take care of yourself healthcare

and human rights abortion care is healthcare. now i yield to the ranking member of the oversight and accountability committee. our favorite hero and other than jamie raskin projects think you represent bush. thank you to our great witnesses today a representative bush thank you for place the emphasis on healthcare and representative crockett thank you for putting the issue where it belongs on the question of human freedom. and anytime this country has been on the wrong side of freedom we have had a struggle we have come out on the right side of freedom and that is what the civil war was about and the reconstruction that is what prohibition was about. i am not a big drinker but i would not throw other people into jail for having a drink just because i don't drink, right? it's freedom of people to make their own choices for their own lives. and i do think echoing abraham

lincoln that we are not going to survive as a nation past free choice and half compelled birth that is not going to work long term for us. but in the meantime we are in a very serious struggle is all of our witness has said and cory bush is said to protect people and help them get through this. part of it is we have to act as a federal legislature to do what we can to protect people's choice. part of that is going to be vindicating the constitutional right to travel. a lot of these red states are saying not just that you can't have an abortion and it is a criminal act in the state but you cannot leave the state for the purposes of accessing an abortion. you cannot cross state lines for the purposes of healthcare. they are passing but i would call fugitive women's laws. women who cross state lines are

supposed to be sent back or picked up so they can be restored to the rule of their oppressors back in the home state. that is our responsibility as a congress to act as quickly as we can to vindicate everybody's rates under the equal protection clause to travel across state lines to obtain healthcare that's lawful. we have to be serious about that we always have elections coming up in america theoretically elect antichoice majorities that would pass the federal ban on anybody have an abortion anywhere in america and criminalize the women, the doctors, the nurses, anyone who participates. or america could elect a robust pro-choice majorities that would restore the right of women to make their own healthcare choices. i hope it is in 2024 but it is

coming. we will get there to make the choice. in the meantime i'm starting to think around here it's like before the civil war when the proslavery forces past a bunch of rules you cannot talk about slavery you literally could not mention slavery in congress that was a violation of the rules they haven't passed a rule against mentioning it but there are no hearings about it. none of our bills get a hearing. none of our bills get to the floor but none of the mm it's about abortion are heard because they talk about all the time before the dobbs decision abortion was murder, abortion was a genocide it was a holocaust now you cannot mention it because they understand the vast majority of americans oppose the authoritarian agenda against women. they do not want anyone to talk about it for they do not want any legislative action on it they do not want any boats on it. until they can violate an of

voting rights in the country to bring back gerrymandering majorities they would actually past their national law creating a nationwide federal band. what we have to do? we have got to talk about it. so in to commend ms. bush and ms. crockett for taking the initiative in organizing us today to have this excellent hearing so the voices are heard from around america of what is actually taking place in states that have gone down this dark authoritarian road of controlling lives and women to not do anything to help the lives of women not doing anything to help women's families but to restrict their freedom. that is a road those states will come to regret we are going to continue to fight until we restore freedom for everyone in america thank you ms. bush i yield back to you. x thank you. our roundtable on medication abortion number one is done. [laughter]

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of the wall street journal story on that hearing yesterday on capitol hill. a former business associate of hunter biden testified monday to correctional leaders that president biden and his son were in elite communications and the younger biden would put his father on speakerphone on business dinners. the associate said joe biden and his son never discussed business on his calls and only discussed casual conversation but the testimony paints a detailed picture on how hunter biden may have -- and raises fresh questions about how much joe biden was aware that his -- of his son's overseas business practices. we will take you to the reaction to that hearing. we will talk about that in the first hour of the washington journal but the expanding congressional inquiry into the

biden family brings the question this morning, should there be a code of conduct for family, children of presidents? we have lines for those who say yes and those who say no and if you are unsure. it was chuck todd who brought up this specific question. he was talking to chris coons. this was their back and forth. >> you had hunter biden who is profiting off his last name and gerace -- and jared kushner and members of trump's family profiting. should there be a code of conduct? sons and dollars -- daughters of sitting presidents, should they have a code of conduct? >> we have been engaging on trying to get the supreme court to adopt a code of ethics.

they are the only members of the entire federal judiciary not covered by a code of ethics and members of congress have to fully disclose their assets -- >> for presidents of family members be -- come under additional scrutiny? >> jared kushner worked in the white house. >> if you are outraged by hunter biden, you should be outraged by jared kushner. you cannot pick and choose. host: yesterday on the capitol hill, there was a close door hearing. we heard about it -- here is the front-page headline from the washington times this morning. biden played a powerful role in his son's deal.

the lead story in today's washington times. james comer is the chairman of the house oversight committee leading this probe and he is the chairman of that committee where that closed door hearing happened. this was his tweet yesterday, saying -- that tweet from james connor. he was on sean hannity show last night. he has addressed this issue on finding some way to add more scrutiny to children of the family members of the president and vice president and he talked about it in may at a press hearing of the oversight committee. this is what he had to say. [video clip] >> chinese nationals affiliated

with the bidens -- transfer their interest to a chinese company that sent money to the biting --bidens. this is not normal. hunter biden and his associate accorded business with countries that correlate directly with joe biden's work as president. it is not ethical. this is why we need legislative solutions. our purpose here is to provide solutions to prevent this unethical behavior from happening again. this is about investigating allegations of corruption and fraud at the highest levels of the government. this should be eberhard -- a bipartisan issue. specifically the committee is crafting legislation solutions to aim at -- for immediate family members of vice president and the president. these deficiencies place

american national security and american interest at risk. the committee is considering legislation that would strengthen reporting requirements -- involving senior elector -- elected official family members. host: house oversight -- chair james connor. that was back on may 10. here is a little bit more from that press briefing. [video clip] >> we will look at everything when we get ready to introduce the legislation. if you go back to jimmy carter's brother, billy carter receiving money from lydia, this has been a pattern for a long time.

republicans and democrats have complained about president's families receiving money but the way that the bidens set this up, there is no business, president carter's brother got the money from lydia and joe biden was on the committee that investigated president carter's brother when that took place. the former president trump's son-in-law had business deals. i am not saying whether i agree with what he did or not but i know what his businesses are. what are the biden businesses? what business is what we read in the press that these were legitimate businesses when joe biden was president -- what business are they in? host: that was back in may.

this closed-door hearing took place yesterday on capitol hill and we are talking about it this morning on the washington journal asking you if there should be all code of conduct. if you say yes, (202) 748-8000. if you say no (202) 748-8001. and if you are unsure, that is ok. (202) 748-8002. good morning, what do you think on this question? caller: there is no question about that. this is power and corruption. when i see jared kushner in the white house, and now i see the biden family. it is not good for the country. we need to have legislation. you are the president's son. this is money. i did not know about jimmy

carter son -- cart's son. the bush family -- [indiscernible] weeed to have a bipartisan legislation. when i see ukraine, joe biden's son comes to my mind. it is sad that the president might be directly -- might not be directly involved but he is naming the brand. this is human nature. he should have legislation -- we should have legislation.

host: devon archer was who testified yesterday. this testimony covered that period when he and hunter biden served for the board of directors of the energy company in ukraine and that is a lot of what was being discussed yesterday on capitol hill. asking you if there should be a code of conduct for family members, children of presidents. this is joss -- josh in illinois. caller: there should be for presidents. light president trump's son who has top-secret, slapdash top-secret, classify security and the first day, hip -- him and others leave the white house and go to saudi arabia and collect $2 billion when he has classified, top-secret clearance? host: you are talking about a

senior advisor for the president and there is code of conduct for those who are official members of the white house staff. the question is, if you don't have a official position in the white house and if your position as child of the president and if you are not elected and serving in government, should there be a legal code of conduct that covers you just because you are the child of a president or vice president? caller: this has been happening for years and years and years. why does it have to be a code of contact now. one was joe biden, vice president eight years ago so they have been bringing this up for over eight years? ivanka truck --trump went to the white house -- went to china on

a business trip and got patents for herself. he did not pay taxes. they have pictures up on them on the c-span hearing. i think they have messed with trump for so long, they want to try to biden biden bring -- right to bring biden -- they want to try to bring biden down. host: questions about his connections, let me get back into the c-span archives. this is from august from 1980, questions for jimmy carter about the business connections for his brother. [video clip] >> i am concerned that billy has

received funds from lydia. he may be under obligations to lydia. billy has had no influence on u.s. policies or actions concerning lydia in the past and he will have no influence in the future. our political history is full of stories about presidential families and relatives. other people have tried to use them to gain pay their -- gain favor with incumbent demonstrations. -- i administrations -- incumbent administrations. to keep this problem from recurring, i have asked my counsel to draft a rule that will have any employee of the federal -- that will bar any employee of the federal branch from dealing with any member of

the president's family under any circumstances that creates the reality or appearance of improper favor or influence. host: jimmy carter back in 1980, announcer: we are going to leave this program to keep our 40 year commitment to covering congress. no votes are scheduled. you are watching live house coverage here on c-span. the speaker pro tempore: the house will be in order. the chair lays before the house a communication from the speaker. the clerk: the speaker's room, washington, d.c., august 1, 2023. i hereby appoint the honorable