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attack on u.s. capitol january 6 2021. our cameras are live there as are other media organizations, reporters waiting for the arrival of the president later -- the former president this afternoon. we continued the conversation with you and your views on this like indictment, let us arraignment what it may mean for the presidential race next year and more. republicans, 202-748-8001. democrats, 202-748-8000. independents and all others, 202-748-8002. john in wisconsin on the independent line. caller: good morning.

i notice a text message got put up two minutes after it was sent and another critique, i hate to do this, but on such a hot button topic issues like this, i woul >> i am would appreciate the moderators you got -- long time. all i can do is comment. thank you for taking my critiques. i think some of the older viewers will recognize this and get some humor out of it. i think jack smith seems to be playing the part of the great karnak from the old johnny carson's gets on the late-night television before i became political.

-- it became political. donald trump could not -- they cannot bring charges to enforce free speech because you cannot charge against first amendment. now they are saying he not only did all the conspiracy things. i'm not a big trump supporter. i voted for him both times. but how can you read a person's mind? he still believes to this day that the election was not right. this pretty much what i have to say about that. the other thing i have to say about the credit ratings of the country. we just got downgraded. it is joe biden's father because of all be spending the last couple of years. trump did some spending but he continued. i do not have children,

unfortunately, but if it comes down to your children and your grandchildren are going to suffer greatly from all this spending. we need to get the politicians out of the corrupt washington dc area everyone frightfully calls a swamp. i think the majority of american people in the country are in the middle of the road like i am and common sense type people. we need to stop fighting amongst each other and get our country back on the right track. thank you for taking my criticism. host: thank you for giving us the critique. thank you for calling in. we go to louisville, texas and louise on the democrat line. caller: good morning. i think the problem we are having nobody is willing to tell the republican party the truth. the senate, their

representatives, donald trump lied to them on a regular basis. the only way you can tell these republicans that they are living in lala land and donald trump has committed these crimes, do not blame the judge. did not blame the prosecutor. do not blame the people who agree he has committed the crime. look at the facts for yourselves and make the judgment call and stop blaming other people who see the truth. you find the truth and it will set you republicans free. host: alta california, mary on the republican line. caller: good morning and thank you for taking my call. trump was an outsider. he is not a politician. from the beginning they started

complaining about -- now this indictment i think is so ridiculous. why don't we bring up all the things biden has done? the congress is doing the right thing bring out what is going on in the government. i think we need to start getting honest with each other. i think you very much. host: hollywood, florida, pat on the independent line. you're on the air. caller: hi, good morning. i have a couple of things i would like to say. he had a previous caller -- he had a previous caller referring to the acceptance of the evangelicals of trump and i was surprised myself for a group that called themselves to be so

moral to accept someone so immoral for the presidency. there may think i believe was trying to overturn roe v. wade. amongst that as well i think donald trump gets too much credit for roe v. wade because he did nominate the judges and put them in place, but the real person behind all of this is mitch mcconnell. had he not taking the steps he did take, those judges would not be there. i have a question. in terms of donald trump and the so-called nightmare of securities, logistics in prison, if at my job, i do something that causes my termination, i lose my pension, i lose all of my privileges attached to that job so therefore anyone found to be indicted, convicted of

something should forfeit any benefit they had and in this case, forfeit the secret service etc. for what he now currently holds. i would like to know what can be done to enact something like that. host: thank you for the call. next up in michigan, lest there is only democrats line. caller: it is kind of amazing how amazing i am. a couple of things. i want to ask a previous guest if you watch the hearings. i think that is very important. do you know's sent a letter to carmen kolmar about a week ago and he put it on video. it is there for the looking at.

my point really being, my friends and relatives are not a people. they just do not know and i really wish they would focus on the dominican -- that came out. it should have lasted for one month so people know they are being lied to. that is all i got. host: a piece here from the wall street journal. the opinion of david rifkin and lee casey. this trump indictment imperils the presidency. is he that they write, in moore v. harper two 023 the supreme court recognize a parallel constitutional provision, the elections clause which devise authority for setting the rules of congressional elections between the state legislature and congress was sufficiently federal in nature to justify the high court's review of state court decisions involving these

roles, even though it ordinarily has no authority to scrutinize the states court's interpretation of state laws. they write it was trumps constitutional duty to quote take care that the laws be fully -- faithfully executed. he had no power to direct state officials actions but urging them to ensure the integrity of federal elections could fall within the outer bounds of his responsibility. he had no authority to direct the vice presidents discharge of his constitutional duties as senate president, but pleading with the advice president to take certain actions as are complete within the bounds of his authority. presidents do it routinely when the vice president is called on to cast a deciding senate vote. they also say the indictment of trump means the supreme court will almost certainly be called on to determine the scope of a former president's immunity and

whether trumps actions after the 2020 election fell within the outer reaches of his official responsibility. continuing with your calls on this arraignment day here on "washington journal," a view of the media gathered of the courthouse. the capital there in the background. the media has been gathered since early this morning, 5:00 or so east here in washington and our cameras will be out at the courthouse throughout the day. the court the arrival of the president if possible and any other possible comments from folks who are in attendance. we go to north carolina, faye on the republican line. hello there. caller: yes, are you there? host: yes, we are.

you are on the air. caller: on that riot they had, trump said go in peace. maybe everybody forgot that. and obama, he should not have obama's judge. they should change the judge and that is all i got to say. host: calhoun, georgia is next. david on the independent line. caller: thank you. i want to clarify i hear these democratic callers saying the republicans are blind. we live a lie. the democrats have already turned on one of their own because he is a catholic, rfk junior. my point is -- and then your

last guest, he never said anything about biden and he has crimes too. oh this indictment today -- but with this indictment today, trump a break in 1023 -- bring in 10 203. we will see how it all goes and i hope the democrats -- if you are a democrat, just like everybody says if you are a trumper or a republican, you are a racist, well, i hear a lot of african-americans and spanish people, they are going for trump because they are religious. if you are democrat, you cannot be a christian. i hope they understand that. host: why do you feel that, why

can't you be a christian? caller: i mean, it is just like, everybody says you are a racist if you are a trumper or a republican, but that is ok, right? it is kind of the same thing. democrats go against christianity in every case. they go after the catholics. they go after the churches. host: they have at the party, the president himself is a catholic -- the head of the party, the president himself as a catholic. caller: he is not real. he is a crook like the rest of them. host: on to houston, texas, vicki. caller: i would like to say a few things. in relation to the woman who spoke about coming after trump,

there come after you, that is silly. to me, i respect her and i pray for her, because a lot of these people that are following trump, excluding the ones who are doing it for political gain, some of these people are really under spell when it comes to him. it is a sad day. it is a sad day who was a president of the united states would stoop so low to allow this to happen. most people do not speak about this but i am disappointed in the previous vice president pence. i been one to say this for a while. at the time of this was going on, he hadn't said nothing, then all of a sudden he said whatever he said today, yesterday, and of

course he said it under owes, but i think is a vice president he was the second person in command. have something happen to this country, -- i was very disappointed in him. i'm a democrat up at the same time we all have to respect our leaders. i am a democrat. i'm a preacher. i love god. whoever say a democrat is not a christian, that is a lie. that is pretty much all i want to say. also, biden and his son, they are the blank in the world because trying to get off of a drug addict. every person who has a celebrity family member come they all do

the same thing. at the end of the day, that is not make biden a bad person. if you hear people talk, biden's problem is that he is old. trumps problem is that he's a crook. but only thing they come back with is biden is old. i would rather vote for biden if he was 95 years old, a man of integrity, and love and god. people are talking about hunter. ought to be ashamed of yourselves. host: susan on the republican line. caller: hi. thank you very much for having me. can you hear me? host: yes, we can. caller: i am listening to everybody and i watch the news. i am so frustrated because i am a moderate republican. all these republicans that are on the right, i do not

understand. all these liberals on the left, i do not understand. i am a person i would not vote for joe biden. i think he is about president. i think trump has gotten away with murder. i wish there was some way and no disrespect to trump because he did a lot of good things for the country, but i think he needs to step aside. we got really good republican candidates out there i wish could have a chance, a chance to be heard. get him out of the way and clean that out. let them have a chance. one of them is doug from north carolina, the governor of north carolina. host: north dakota, yeah. caller: he deserves a chance. vivek is very good but he's a

bit too pro-trump for me. i wish more moderate democrats be heard and if not, let's get this no labels party going. i hope they can make it because neither of these two men running for president are worth it. they're both bad. that is where my frustration comes from. host: in that vein, here is a piece by hearing the olson in washington -- henry olson in the washington post. trumps legal woes make him a nonviable candidate. his piece, heays,here does not count in politics. facts do. it is a fact trump is already which are only going to getges, worse. trump says he will not drop out

but it does not mean locked in. as financial legal pe righteous upward, even a man of his willpower will decide to save his own skin then press his own look, if he does not, republican primary voters will have to decide whether they want to risk nominating a man who cannot campaign for himself. that is henry olson, washington post.com. cindy in north carolina on this arraignment day in washington. go ahead. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i watch face -- i watch faithfully and i watched the hearings on c-span. i wish some of the colors would also watch all of that and be more informed but my problem

with the hearings today is that democrats are never going to stop. i was a democrat. i voted for obama. but when that money went to irene in the middle of the night -- iran in the middle of the night, i changed independent. i think a lot of the politicians are corrupt. we are subdivided in the country that now they are attacking christians, your faith, or whatever. the bible teaches us do not try to plot a splinter out of someone's eye we have a log in your own and you cannot see things clearly. i pray for discernment. the lord will lead me in the right way who is telling the

truth or who is this evening. -- who is deceiving. when trump came down that elevator they had it on him constantly. biden family is corrupt and i wish they would put more on their about all of the money they got. i know they are checking into that, congress checking in to bed. there are so many people who cannot see both of them -- i think donald trump is a little corrupt because he was in business and that is why he got elected in because he was not a politician. most of us know the politicians are corrupt.

how can you make as a senator, joe biden, all of those millions of dollars because you should not be making that much we are in the senate. same as nancy pelosi. host: on to terrel in maryland on the democrats line. caller: i used to call the radio, the conservative radio station in baltimore. they keep me off of the radio when chris krebs said that this was the safest and secure selection ever and donald trump fired him. and brad raffensperger told -- donald trump asked him to find him 11,000 votes and right then and there when i was talking on the radio i tell those people at the radio station that donald trump is going to jail. this was two years ago. here we are. we are here because donald trump

made some mistakes and finally someone had the courage, the special prosecuted there to put donald trump in his place because everybody was afraid. mike pence was afraid. he was going to kill his own vice president. who does this here in america? he was going to kill his own vice president. if obama did that to joe biden, obama will probably be in jail right now. your conservatives talk about god put donald trump in office, i tell you what, god took donald trump out of office because that was the safe and secure election. he lost. he cannot take it. he could not take it. i will say one thing about these conservatives, if i asked them,

is that hair on top of donald trump's head real and they say yes, the you know they're going to continue to go with donald trump. host: from the washington times, the headline, trump the defense team cast january 6 indictment as an attack on free speech writing the former president's lawyers are framing the new indictment as an unprecedented battle over free speech that federal prosecutors cannot when. want of the lawyers on trumps defense team is hammering home the message that this is the quote first time the first amendment has been criminalized. he wanted president by this justice department will make it quote criminal to state your position and engage in political activity. it is, speech for this reason, what the president saw in 2020 was all these irregularities going on, affidavits, sworn testimony, examples where rules were changed in the middle of the game.

he had every right to comment on that and i politically -- an act politically. with they would have to show is all the speech was not entitled to a first amendment protection. is going to be impossible for the government to provide criminal and corrupt intent beyond a reasonable doubt. read more on washington times.com. kathy in new york on the republican line. caller: good morning. i grew up in berlin and civil liberties were a big part of everyday life. it was understudied to say -- understood you to say whatever you want. that is what america is about.

he had those expressions, i am robert, i am glued, but we got it. people looking to be mean, they're going to be mean all around the world. you have to accept this. aoc you brought the real meaning to me of what a freedom of speech is when they defended -- it is so upsetting me -- they defend eight nazi freedom to sit with a want to say. they defended the people who burned an american flag. half of my friends were from a different country because we play at the parking you meet people -- the park and you meet people. we believe it is a great country, america, maybe it is not all beautiful to have freedom of speech but it does make us stronger. back to the case against donald trump, yesterday a part of the case was read that starts with -- trump is allowed to. he

does not believe the election results, we know that. it is written in story form, because many people have questions. we agree that is not a crime but we're going to tell you a story and make you believe in this case it is a crime. it upsets me. i guess that is my comments for the day. something is wrong with the way that was presented and i do think something is very wrong with the justice system we have to go through. host: thank you. robert in georgia on the independent line. caller: thank you for taking my call. i never thought you can see a

person were ignorant in the white house than george w. bush, but 2017, proved me wrong. we need a man like eugene debs in the white house and in 2017 we needed a man like charles the tele. i know a lot of you listeners would not know who that is or any of those folks, but that is why instead of reading the bible so much, they should read the history of this country especially the founding of it. read the best piece of the nonfiction ever written. host: we are live here with like cameras outside of the courthouse today for any arrival of the former president,

potential comments from participants today. 4:00 eastern's were the arrangement scheduled for best arraignment is scheduled for. also on c-span networksoday coming up at noon eastern, we cover a news conference ahead of their arraignment. the event is being held by the organization not above the law coalition. made up of a group of organizations calling for accountability for those who oppose certification of the 2020 election results. it is congresses is at noon eastern on c-span. we also stream it live on c-span.org on on our freee mobile app, c-span now. up next on the democrats line, good morning. caller: thank you. i'm going to talk about what is coming up today. i would say to those who are out there, why do we have the rule

of law? why do we have it? i know why we have it. if anybody is convicted of anything, we would say they are guilty until proven innocent. innocent until proven guilty. if trump had not did all these things he'd done, he would be in court today. all of these things happen for one reason only because he wanted it to happen. anybody who is a controlling person, wants to control things to their way of thinking, their

way of acting, and if you do not do what i tell you to do then i am and you go or fire you. if you're here to tell the truth, they do not want to hear that. if you're going to do a scheme, your with me or not. people have choices. why do they choose to do bad things? why do we have the rule of law? if we did not have the rule of law, it would be chaos today. i am thankful we have the rule of law. not everybody is guilty. not everybody is innocent. but today it feels like we are pitting against each other about what is true and what is not true. a lot of people do not know about the rule of law. host: do you have confidence in the eventual jurys and come to

the rule of law in the right decision the former president? caller: yes i believe that because people do not have an agenda for we get into that position of putting your hands in a position of being a jury, that is a great responsibility to know the facts that are given to you and being educated or being knowledgeable enough to know right from wrong if a person do not know right from wrong then they should not be a jury. if they know what he did -- i would go back to the part where they had a rally, why would you have a rally on the day they are giving a count? or can people go in when they

are having the vote count? these are things people should know. host: appreciate your call this morning. i want to share this statement from the secret service regarding today's arraignment the former president about the security preparations going on which says wow the secret service does not comment on specific protective means or methods, we have the utmost confidence in dedication and commitment to security shared by all of our law enforcement and government partners. we are working closely with the police department, u.s. marshals service, u.s. park police, u.s. capitol police, and the federal act of service to ensure highest levels of safety and security for the former president while minimizing disruptions to the normal court process. the arraignment in washington said for 4:00 p.m. today.

cameras are live. tom's nights on the democrats line in virginia. caller: good morning. i love these last couple the callers. it made me think of something creative for all the christians out there that do support president trump and for all of the people out there that do support the rule of law which should be everybody, not just the christians, and we have to have faith in god above and we also have to have faith in our judicial system and our legal system that what is right will come out of this. i know it can be very scary or be used to weaponized the legal system to try and get people to not support president trump but i think i do believe it is going

to backfire. i think trump supporters see the corruption of these charges. they are going to -- he is going to be exonerated. you are reading things from lawyers that are saying this is probably the single greatest attack on the first amendment ever in the history of our country and they are targeting donald trump with that attack. he will, just like the report that came out vested there is no predicate for an investigation -- that said there is no predicate for an investigation, and what it trump call it, the russia hoax, and it was. then the fbi went to leak the investigation during his presidency to damage and further. then we had those investigating

him were compromised. if not for some nefarious organization, but they were personally so bias they cannot get a legitimate investigation. if you look at the election, we know there were unconstitutional elections carried out across the country. the mail in ballots that were mailed out to every single voter. thanks they were done there were not in line with their state legislatures, laws or how to run the elections -- on how to run the elections, those are the things donald trump was supposed to do because they change the roles in the middle of the game and then you have this stuff going on with the fbi, investigations, my favorite is the fbi manipulating the voice

of americans by colluding with facebook and twitter to silence free speech in america. here is the wonderful thing for everybody out there, christians and people who believe in the rule of law, all of this stuff will have to come out. that is donald trump's entire defense. they will all be called. if this goes forward, everybody who colluded against donald trump's administration will be called on the stand and they will be held accountable. i am a man of powerful faith and i believe trump was god's man, he is not a perfect man, but it is very normal for god to not use the perfect christian. usually does not use the person who thinks they are perfect christian. i have profound faith will be exonerated.

-- he will be exonerated and i believe will be stronger as a country because all this weaponization of our legal system to go after our political opponents, we do not do this in america, and we know they do this in communist countries. we do not do that here. they are trying to do it and i believe, i have profound faith donald trump will be exonerated. all of those that were guilty of the collusion to try and damage his presidency and all the stuff about the impeachment, everything, that will all come out in this court case. host: stamford connecticut on the independent line. mike, you are on the air. caller: good morning. that last guy is out there. he is drinking the kool-aid. hopefully, there will be an aerial view of the arraignment. it may biggest arraignment ever.

comer is always looking for one whistleblower after the of their. he spent how many years looking for people and he cannot find anybody in what he does, they take off. he says we got it all come with a laptop, the crime family. you are all crazy. trump is a crook. raisi being arraigned? -- raisi being arraigned? host: in the new york times from the headline firm the court of public opinion. former president donald j. trump bases 78: the accounts and three different criminal cases including civil lawsuits and trials alleging all sorts of wrongdoing. at least in the court of public opinion, is a defense can be boiled down to three words, what about hunter? from trump steam

to conservative media the republican party leadership, the reaction to the latest blockbuster indictment accusing the former president are nothing short of trying to subvert democracy focused not on the evidence against him so much as the scandals of president biden's son. the real outrage rights peter baker, trumps the vendors maintained his hunter biden is shady's business dealings. the justice department they claim is likely after the former president to cover up for the current president. while hunter biden is a one-man crime by who personifies the washington swamp. the wave of what about is from trump world crested with this week's indictment has been building for months, way of shifting attention from the former president's legal troubles. the strategy provides the former president's hard-core base with the narrative to embrace that absolves him of misconduct

while muddying the waters enough to cause at least some independence of swing voters to throw up their hands out of a sense of well they all do it. tina on the democrats line in north carolina. caller: good morning. this is not about our president biden. this is about trump going to record. and the reason he is going to court is because he has done so many things. any time you tell somebody to go to the capital and fight like hell, who would do that? the president of the united states would never do nothing like that. not only that, he wants to run america like russia. he want to mess with black people. why would you want to take black people's vote? that is terrible. the -- he had the mailman

move the mailboxes. everything is so crooked. who would want somebody to run for president like that? if you want democrats to go down, you better believe the republicans are going down,too. because there are plenty of people saying they are republicans do not have a pot to piss in. host: john on the republican -- joan on the republican line calling from cleveland. caller: good morning. i do not have my notes together. host: it is all right. whatever you want to say is fine. caller: ok. i think president trump was the best president we had. he had everything in order. his personal life, i do not want to go into it, that is his life.

the going to personal life -- if we go into personal life about trump, we should go back to jill biden when he was dating joe before she was divorced. he did not even acknowledge his seventh grandchild. he is not thinking. whoever is giving him the information are putting him on a bad track. every time i turn around he is on vacation. this world is a total mess for what he is doing. our guys locked up in prison have no air conditioning. they have nothing. they are up in their cells. all these illegals coming over and going to the state, they are getting taken care of better than our own people. host: 10 more minutes on

topic, the arraignment of donald trump. and comments on social media this morning about the arraignment today. clint says this, these trials are not just for donald trump. these trials are for the american people to get justice for this country. congresswoman from hawaii, the newest trump indictment is biden's administration's latest tyrannical a -- tactic to distract entering resources from his main political adversary. to not anyone who criticizes how government runs an election is a criminal? george says free speech is not a get out of jail card for engaging in criminal conspiracy. robert said the jury in this case needs to be carefully screened and selected to form an ideologically balanced pool of 13 jurors. why do i suggest 13? the jury foreman.

do not have a balanced jury for six conservatives he says on the jury. there we go with some tweets and comments on the topic this morning. tony in texas on the independent line. caller: good morning. i hope i do not have -- get disconnected. i have some constructive criticism. this is my third call asking "washington journal" has the political writer book on washington journal. you had three books, one from the baker family. run from major garrett and one from the watergate person. nobody wants to put this book on. number two, an article today in the washington times which you always code from susan, that the

transcript is out. in the transcript he is saying that nikolai asked hunter biden to call his father. he said he was not there when the call was made. but the gentleman told him the following day. on november two, there is an email where it is titled levi's contract and invoice proposal. in the proposal it is asking for some senior officials from u.s. government to come over there. what happened one month later? biden went over. he got that prosecutor fired. john lyness the best, all we want is the truth -- john lenon

said it the best, all we want is the truth. host: mentioning the piece by susan available this morning in the washington times.com, we are looking at live video. these are folks outside of the courtroom the federal courthouse here in washington. 4:00 p.m. eastern is when the former president will be arraigned. on the democrats line is sharing in florida. caller: thank you for taking my call. i some of the say the people who keep bringing up joe biden and hunter biden where possibly talk about trumps arraignment, hunter biden has been investigated and he will be held accountable for his crimes. that is already a done deal. i think when you mentioned it that trump said to mike pence you are to on his. i think that sums it up because

trump is a lawyer and he always has been. he cannot run a charity in new york because he had ripped so many people off with the scam universities and the charities. people saying he was sent by god? please give me a break. i guess you can say the same think about jim jones or hitler. trump is made it clear he's going to be a dictator. he's going to end democracy as we know it and our country is going to change per unit he wants to do away with all the checks and balances on the presidency so i can get away with all these crimes he keeps on doing -- he can get away with all these crimes he keeps on doing. this is the tip of the iceberg. i'm sure there are things we do not know about. i want people to read the indictment.

use critical thinking. host: i believe we have a link to the indictment on our website. the chum supporter with the flag -- trump supporter with the flag and there'll probably others out there later. our cameras are there for the potential arrival of the president, potential comments from participants in today's arraignment. christine in oregon on the republican line. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i want to say as far as i'm concerned trump was the first president we've ever had. the biden family is the most corrupt people ever. joe biden, his family has been like that from the very beginning, his dad was involved with the voting machines were the elections that were rigged. joe biden has been doing that from day one. the second he got into the senate that is all he has been

doing for he has been cheating on the elections with the voting machines every time. trump busted him. everything that happened with hillary clinton spying on him. why did she need to spy on him anyways? who cares what he is doing? he's running for president. they are a trump family as well. -- they are a drug family as well. we do not have any say in anything. he does not care about what we are saying. he does not acknowledge as. he knows he is guilty. as far as the 78 indictments alleged indictments for trump that is outrageous. they cannot make the mistake. -- they cannot make that mistake. whatever exposure is coming out

this coming out. the bodies are going to get called. donald trump is every right to defend what he did because he did bring the country back to a better place than we work when he came and into a recession. host: the former president facing four counts of conspiracy and obstruction in relation to the 2020 and the attack on the capital. 1/6/2021. a couple more calls here. in new jersey, brendan on the independent line. caller: hi, thank you for taking my call. the kick off the last caller was just talking about the most corrupt family being the biden's. i would like to reference the caller to go back and look at the kennedy family and come back to meet with that. i would like to say i think there's a lot of misconceptions. this is not about freedom of speech. it is about the actions that stem from the result of such

speech. trump team team a shouting freedom of speech because it is the easiest excuse for them to give in return to all of these charges. it is the easiest think is followers can latch onto. first amendment. they are censoring us. the reality is it is not a freedom of speech issue. as an issue of what happens as a result of you speaking. -- it is a result of what happens of you speaking. when it crosses a line, that is where there is a problem. it has been outlined where you can speak your mind until it crosses a line. unfortunately, donald trump's got away too long with saying whatever he wants. we have put up with it long enough and i appreciate the justice department for not bringing charges about conspiracy or insurrection, but they are bringing charges, real charges that have to deal with what he said and put extent of

it as a result. host: do you think the doj, the prosecutors will be able to prove he in your words cross that line on free speech on first amendment? on january 6 and before regarding the election? caller: there is no doubt in my mind they will get what he said, that is freedom of speech, it is recorded. with the doj to do is slink aid. what was a result of what he said? would he do? i think there is plenty of evidence to see what him and the unindicted co-conspirators day to charge him. i do not think it is something they brought because they wanted to. whether we want to believe it or not, think they did their job and i support the justice department. host: we will get one more call. margaret in wisconsin of the democrat line. caller: thank you for taking my

call. i have some comments. the shelti of the united states -- the fealty of the guy stays has to be to the president, not the man, and i do think so many people have put trump up on a pedestal. it is not that he was a bad president. we should not have to only think he can be the only one that can do what he did. there are many wonderful people in the united states that could do what hehe has ruined so manyh his words. free speech or not. then he hides behind the law. where the average person could not possibly use this stalling tactic of every single time he's called to be accountable he gets lawyers and they go to court and the appeal and appeal and appeal

until finally it just runs out. i feel like people have put the man above the presidency. that is not our democracy. he, to me, is a classic bully. he rules from fear and hides behind the law. just want i would like to see him without his lawyers having to actually be accountable. i have faith in the justice system but i don't have faith that he can be this and we will have a convicted felon as our united states president, which would be a really sad day. thank you so much for letting me comment. host: thank you for your calls>.

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