♪ host: we regularly ask you about your trust or confidence in

institutions, government agencies, individuals, confidence in the military, cdc, irs, and the economy to name a few. but what about organizations who wrote or on that? news media? monday, august 14, many of you have probably by now watched or read if you news stories this morning. do you trust of the news media? that is our question in the first hour of the program. we will look at several stories on that but mostly we want to hear from you. if you say yes, the line to call is (202) 748-8000. if your answer is no, (202) 748-8001. if you are unsure, trust some, some a little less, (202) 748-8002 would be the line to call. you can also send us a text, (202) 748-8003. tell us your name and where you are texting from, first.

we are on facebook and on what used to be called twitter. you can find us @cspanwj. we welcome your posts on social media. we spend your -- the first hour looking at your level of trust and how you get your daily news stories. which organizations you do or do not trust in the media. (202) 748-8000 is the line if you say yes you trust the reporting of the news media. (202) 748-8001 is the line for no maui -- the line for no. and we will hear from individuals talking about trust and media. christian science monitor wrote about of the summer, can americans trust the news? confidence is slipping, a poll finds, saying that when it comes

to the news media the impact it has on democracy and political polarization on americans, they are likely to say it's doing more harm than good, three quarters of adult saying it's increasing polarization and under half say they have little to no trust in the ability of the media to report news fairly and accurately according to the center for public research and robert f kennedy human rights. the poll released this summer says americans have significant concerns about misinformation and the role played by the media , politicians, and social media in spreading it and that many are concerned about growing threats to journalist safety, saying that the news right people up. miss jordan said she now does her own online research instead of going by what she sees on the television news. you are better off googling

something and learning about it. i trust the internet more than tv, that is part of the writing on the ap poll from the christian science monitor. this is from the organization yougov, what news outlets do americans trust for information. scrolling down a look at the results, they are not that great for the media. 2023 americans viewed the weather channel, pbs, bbc as the most trustworthy major media organizations. the question was how trust for the do you rate the news reported by the following media organizations. a bunch of them on there and at the top, as we said, the weather channel. pbs after that, 30%, and it falls from there. the wall street journal, forbes, the associated press and so on. in terms of our own organization, the trust of those

surveyed, the level of trust was at 14%. do you trust the news media? that's our question for you this morning. (202) 748-8000 is the line for those who say yes. (202) 748-8001 if your answer is no. if you are unsure, it is (202) 748-8002. going to show you comments from james brady from the knight foundation, talking about american trust in local news media. particularly local television. here is what he had to say. [video clip] >> the other thing that is fascinating, it hasn't even been close for a long time, most trusted, local television and they are not in the discussion as much and i come from a digital world. i have been in digital so long, i was in it, you and i got into this together 28 years ago now. that said, the future of all of this cannot be digital startups.

there will be people in every county of america starting something digitally. local television with the tools coming out like nexgen tent -- nexgen tv have interesting opportunities to build more trust with the local audience. the reason i find the numbers so surprising is the biggest witticism has been the coverage of black and brown communities, the focus on crime and if it bleeds, it leads and if you look at the numbers the populations that trust local television the most are black and hispanic populations. that said, local tv knows it needs to change on this front in terms of what it covers. i do think that local tv is a bit of an understudied part of the local media ecosystem mostly because we are focused heavily on nonprofits and the philanthropic world but these are all outside of public television for profits. they will play a big role in looking at why they are so

trusted is something we are interested in and i will tell you the one thing i notice having done a lot of consulting for local television, those of us who came up and print media used to love to make fun of it, six on your side, 11 has your back, we are here for you and we would bury the fact that we broke the story in the 14th paragraph because we didn't want to be too upfront about it that there is something to that. people walking around saying they got my back and it's like you fell for that? that's how we felt on the print side but there is value to that. consumer reports where they put someone on the air and it shows how they save someone $500 by standing up for them with the power company. i do think that there are some lessons in there and i wanted to say that because i feel like local tv just gets put to the side, there are lessons there about building trust with an audience that we should pay attention to. host: the opening question this morning is about trust in the media. reaction and text from kevin,

the american press is dominated by left bias. reporters cannot restrain the bias. even if they try they have been caught lying to further it. carl on facebook says i hold them in lower trust then an uncertified parachute packer. they have no affiliation with the truth and can best be described as the media support section of the dnc. derek says i don't trust newsmax or fox news. albert, saying trust one outlet presented version of the truth not a whole. watching several outlets provides a better picture. especially news or mother countries. c-span is good for out of the horses mouth information. let's get your calls. if you say yes i trust the media, (202) 748-8000. if your answer is no, (202) 748-8001.

richard, chestnut hill, good morning. caller: can you hear me? host: we can, go ahead. caller: thank you so much. let me just tell you that my background in education was, i studied at the school of media and public affairs at george washington university. and of course, in this day and age, bill, we have a very, very different evolving media environment. i believe quite frankly that of all of our constitutional rights the most important one is the freedom of the press. if it were not for the freedom of the press, week, none of us, no americans would know, would know about anything. you wouldn't know what your rights were. that being said, ideologically

i'm personally left of center. relatively liberal democrat. i am disheartened by the fact that when this atmosphere of toxicity, people tend to be on the left side of the spectrum, ok, they do not watch fox news. years ago i used to watch it. i enjoyed certain panelists, etc.. now there is a certain former figure, larger than life, charged with federal crimes, if you go to cnn, faction, -- fox news, you can't avoid it. it's upsetting. semi colon and then i will get to my point, thank you so much, i am very, very disheartened. the reason i'm calling to say i trust in the media but i preface that is the environment with so

few large chains that own local television stations or newspapers. i could go on. it's a real shame. there are great metropolitan areas of the country not served by the important principle of localism. there's work to be done. host: do you think that consolidation of media ownership in the broadcast and print out let's has further reduced trust by americans in those outlets? is there a more monogamous view presented in those outlets owned by the fewer and fewer large corporations? caller: to answer your question, i don't know that it's, that it's a particular ideology that

would cause on whatever side of, you know, but i do believe that what it has led to, notwithstanding the current things of current events, to answer your question directly, is that it's all about the bottom line and it's about if it bleeds, it leads. that old phrase. sensationalism and infotainment, all of that. that's what i have to say. host: ron is next, doesn't trust the media calling from california. good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call. i have a short red on the media -- rant on the media. our illiteracy in this country is so disturbing that, sometimes you just shake your imagination. look it up, 21% of our

population in the united states are illiterate. functionally illiterate. they cannot read or write. these people are voting. then you have 54% of the population of the united states that have under a sixth grade education. these people are voting. people have no fundamental understanding of the constitution of the united states. they can't tell you about the amendment, the 19th amendment, or the 21st amendment and its relationship to our country. they should go -- google it, bing it, do something. but they don't. finally, talking about reading, no one reads in this country anymore. our newspapers are evaporating in front of our very eyes. you know, i tell you, when i grew up we went to college.

the first thing i did was i started reading kurt vonnegut. i read three important novels. one was player piano, the third one was cats cradle. the second one was sirens of titan. it tells you everything you would ever want to know about what's going on in our country today. host: local newspapers are disappearing but one could also argue that there are all sorts of other online races now where people can read stories and reporting of all kinds. whether you trust the reporting is another thing. later on we have a survey around local newspapers but you are right about that, couldn't it be fairly said that there are plenty of online and social media outlets in filling for some of what's lost by local papers going away? caller: let me put it in the sports context. i'm a sports fan. i like to read bill lasky.

cover and a covered. try to read that online. try to read that on a 23 inch computer monitor. it's ridiculous. it's time consuming. i want the tactile feel of the newspaper. flip the page over when i get tired of reading three words or 10 words or two paragraphs and say no, that's not right. then i go to the next page. when you do that online it's a different feel totally and you don't get the understanding of what's going on. host: appreciate your input. daniel, germantown, maryland, what are your thoughts on the news media? caller: can you hear me ok? host: here you just fine. caller: i want to make several points. the last time i called was to discuss candidates outside the duopoly. i see the issue as connected

because the way i see it, the media serves the duopoly and by that i mean corporate interests. so you know, one of the colors earlier i heard them say that, the clip that you played before with that panel with a discussion about if the media has a left-wing bias or -- the way i see it, it's a corporate bias. the media provides a service and paying customers, right? c-span is a service of major cable companies. you obviously have an interest in having an audience but it is provided by corporate control so you get a corporate perspective but the corporation wants. the second part is, you know, what is the price that a media organization pays for getting stories wrong or uncritically

accepting false narratives, false political or government narratives? there doesn't seem to be one. again, the, the misinformation that comes from official sources is given in service of this corporate control, this duopoly, which gets to my third point, the discussion about people turning to independent media sources. really, what it is is we understand we have a bias also. our politics are not so comfortably colored as left or right, red or blue, republican or democrat. other people have interests and they don't expect -- except the corporate perspective. it's not that we want to be lied to, it's that a lot of times the whole discussion is being discussed. for example, i'm a veteran of the iraq war.

that war is based on lies. where is, where is the discussion about american leaders, politicians, members of congress being war criminals or abetting war crimes by not holding the bush administration accountable? where's the same kind of accountability on the obama administration for ratcheting up, he campaigned on bringing the wars to a responsible end. that involved holding the bush administration to account, he famously said he would look forwards and not backwards. what happens when the people clearly see something that needs to be discussed not being discussed? host: thank you for that. two pointed out, our editorial project, this program included, is completely separate under the

auspices of the editorial that here at c-span. we are asking you this morning about your trust in the media. do you trust the news media. (202) 748-8000 if you say yes, (202) 748-8001 if you say no, (202) 748-8002 if you are not sure. talking about that a client in newspapers and local recording, -- reporting, here's something on the various aspects of local newspapers and local newspaper sites. the actual traffic of those sites online has increased according to pew in recent years. meanwhile, visitors, people who look at those sites for local papers, dropping off, as is advertising revenue and circulation, way down for local papers across the country. reading you a story out of kansas in just a bit, a raid on

a local newspaper office there. evelyn is next, who says yes, she go ahead. caller: i do trust my news media. except i stopped getting the local newspapers because fox bought them up in our area. i look at pbs, cnn, msnbc. i look at news nation. because i don't need to be entertained. three masters degrees. i want information and knowledge and if i can't get that, i will move on to someone else. i don't need to be entertained going off into left field calling people names. host: all right, thomas, lancaster, pennsylvania, good morning. caller: good morning. i would say that unfortunately

the occurrence, even in the asking of this question, as an immigrant whose parents came to the united states one of the things i learned was the importance of the media. reporting society to society. i learned that a long time ago. when you look at what needs to be adjusted, it's predictable. you listen to fox, you know exactly what you are going to get. likewise cnn, msnbc, you know what you are going to get. as a fundamental rule of educating, entertaining, and informing, it's the role of the media to really go beyond the surface level. although we see now is click a. it's all about the money. the real truth of what the story is, who is buying the story,

it's no longer there. i see an increasing amount of what i call pay the piper. big corporations, politicians, they are the ones running the media and when you do that, you know where they are going to go. we know for the editorial will be. and which stories they are affirming. that in itself takes away the fundamental of accuracy and impartiality. host: you pointed out that you know what you are going to get you listen to certain talk radio. fox, pbs, npr. as listeners and viewers, are we culpable in that we get in our comfort zones in things that we watch and read in certain outlets and would we be comfortable with those outlets

presenting a view that isn't typical of the outlet? a view that we have maybe not heard on that outlet? are those news outlets aware of the comfort level of their audience saying that not the kind of story are audience will tolerate? caller: i feel like the media plays a psychological mind game here. basically tell them what they want to hear. when you look at that, in the interest of the question here, surely people do they go there because they trusted? no, maybe they go by a comfort level where they tell me what they want to hear and to me that's not journalism. i might as well just take the time and go listen to somewhere else. because there is no platform providing that comfort level someone says maybe i listen to that. for me when i listen to the news, i could care less who is involved.

give me the facts. go into the details. dig deep. tell me who, what, when, why, how. those other questions i want to hear. i want answers to those questions so that i will be able to make an informed decision. there is indoctrination in the u.s. media nowadays. like i said, people find it convenient to listen to fox news because it supports a narrative they've been told. host: good points there. silver spring, maryland. erin is up next. caller: hello, good morning. thank you for having me. i would say i use to have more trust in the media when i was younger, but the trust has been severely damaged, maybe

irreparably destroyed with how the media covered covid. they took a particular ideological narrative and never wavered, regardless of the facts that kept coming out. the best example is in march 2020, "the new york times" ran a very scary article about covid and children and kawasaki disease. the one article led everybody to panic and close the schools for two years and then they would not report for a long time about the damage that was causing to children and different populations. for a long time they would not discuss the very mixed evidence about masking. they would not discuss the questions about the covid origin. it wasn't fashionable. you could not discuss it. it was only when they were faced

with real evidence they could not ignore that they barely covered it on page 17 of "the new york times," rather than page one. to my mind, the media really did the public a horrible disservice with their terrible covid reporting and it continues to this day. they still will not really report on certain aspects of covid that drawl real questions from the public. host: appreciate your call. this is from "the wall street journal" this morning. kansas paper rated by police. the police force of a small town rated the office of a local newspaper in the home of the owner on friday, seizing personal cell phones and computers in a case that legal experts say is likely unprecedented in modern time. one of the owners of the

newspaper collapsed and died the next day according to her son, co-owner of the paper. the search centered on a tip. the news outlet called the marion county record got from a confidential source alleging that a local restaurant tour was driving without a license after an impaired driving conviction 15 years ago. staff investigated the tip using a document the source provided but decided not to publish the story because they had reservations about the motives of the source and how the source got the document that contained personal information. "that is what has all the publishers going wait a minute, we are saying stuff all the time , according to the executive director of the kansas press association and if that's the catalyst for seizing my computers, that's scary. the journal writes that the record is based one hour's drive north of wichita in the 1900 person city of marian and the

meyer family has owned the pham -- paper for 25 years. do you trust the media? that's what we are talking about this morning. (202) 748-8000 if you say yes. (202) 748-8001, no. unsure, (202) 748-8002. shalimar, florida, next up. beth, good morning. caller: good morning. it's funny, i was just talking to a friend of mine that lives in alabama. i'm in the northwest florida area. about our local tv stations. when i moved here in 1964 we had three broadcast stations. abc, cbs, nbc. abc was out of pensacola. nbc and cbs came out of mobile in alabama. today sinclair owns both the abc

local station and the nbc local station. what use to be the nbc station back in the 60's and 80's is now fox outlet for not -- local news. there is a new station in mobile that carries the nbc. abc and nbc are now both owned by sinclair. this weekend i watched the evening news at 6:00 and the people that had been here for 20 years on the abc station, actually 30 years on the abc station, were performing the news on the nbc station and doing the weather. and it was totally different scripts that they were giving.

so the same group of people that are based in pensacola were doing the news on both stations, but doing individualized news. i'm wondering what's happening to our nbc station in mobile. now, they did have their people doing that news this morning. but i just don't know. host: do you think it is a cost-cutting move by sinclair? caller: i noticed that several months ago. i watch msnbc, cnn. i still watch fox news, or a used two until april 2017 and i couldn't take it anymore. started getting over the last few years newsmax and i will

turn over to that on occasion. i was horrified by what i saw on there yesterday when i did a channel check on the greg kelly show and he had judge michael rooted giving his testimony during the january 6 commission and when he came to the point that he made that the maggot people -- maga people were a threat to the american public, they stopped the film and greg kelly came in to say there, he's saying that themaga people, us who support trump, are a threat to america. host: 30 more minutes of your phone calls and comments. taking a look at the forum that was held last week at the university of arizona looking at

trustworthy news, producing trustworthy news. one of the speakers was andrew hayward and he was talking about how recent surveys showed how people are avoiding the news it. he also talked about the role of advocacy and journalism. [video clip] >> one thing is that people are avoiding news. at its highest level, 36% are avoiding news. people don't seem to want to step up and look. it's a bigger challenge tied into the issue of students that were active. if we promote change, it might get people to not avoid us. i'm going to tie those aspects together, people turning away

and then so how do we get them to look? 2 -- >> i think the marketplace will eventually speak on this. personally, i don't happen to believe that that is really the issue. i think that people avoid the news because it doesn't connect with them enough and it focuses too much on sensationalism. the news is really bleak. it's a problem. if you read international news now, there's not a lot to cheer about. i don't think phone cheer and optimism is the answer. i don't think journalists, i don't think that these solution is to advocate for a cause. i agree, leave it to the editorial page two advocate -- to advocate a particular outcome

or action. my view on journalistic activism is to go places others can't go, find out things they can't find out for themselves, hold the powerful accountable, shed light and dark corners. that's activism and i think that that is now thank this spreading and we are listening more to diverse voices to pick the topics and if ultimately the public isn't interested, we are in big trouble. have to be open-minded but i don't like the idea that we have just nothing but cause driven editorializing news organizations. it might build some sort of engagement. it certainly doesn't build trust. host: talking about trust in media. we mentioned a survey earlier in reaction to that on twitter. lisa in baltimore, the top three in that survey, the weather channel, pbs, most trustworthy.

regarding bbc, have very little trust in the media deals with politics. or for spilling over to court a certain audience. fair and balanced, my media didn't get sued for lying about voting machines. on facebook, peter says yes but it is important to know the difference between news and opinion and we are following what you think on social media as well on the former twitter. on the pole so far a majority, 68% saying no, you don't trust the news media. 19% say yes, 12% are not sure. (202) 748-8000 is the s line. (202) 748-8001 is the no line. unsure, (202) 748-8002. ray in pittsburgh. good morning. >> how are you doing? host: fine, thanks. caller: i'd say i'm more unsure

than skeptical. from the local through to the big ones. i blame put the hayward guy was just talking about. they made them into profit centers. it's the first thing they did to screw up the news. now they are not profit centers. they pour in the money and they lose it just to get a political view out. you have it from both ways, they are screwing up the news. another thing they have, you guys, c-span, you say you are down at 14%? i got a pretty good idea why you are that low and what you can do to fix that. if you want to hear, i wish she would let me talk for a minute. host: you have got the floor. you have got the floor, ray. we are talking about media, give us your, your thoughts briefly. caller: first, when you bring on

someone from the right or the left, you only bring them on. they get to spew out their view all the time with nobody to stop them. i can call and ask a question and say you are lying about this, but then you hang up on me and this guy get to talk again. talks about what he wants. i say you have to have both sides when you do these interviews. you got to have someone on with them, a few other people like that. from the left, to. you've got to have both views. you guys either on pullout or won't correct people when they say the wrong things. so you've got to have somebody there to fight back or got to let the people on the phone have the time to question them and go back and forth in the conversation. not just make a statement and hang up and let the guy talk all he wants. that's my biggest thing about what you guys do and how you do

it. i think it's part of the reason you are not trusted, you let people get on there and lie and don't try to stop them. host: two very good points, we appreciate the input. we will take it under consideration as much as possible. where we can we do try to bring on panels of people on opposite sides. it's not always possible. not always possible to fact check and contest what people have to say in real time on this program. the goal here is to hear as many calls as we can and the role of the host is to be the facilitator of the conversation but you are right, there is a level of pushing back on people that perhaps could be introduced. appreciate the input. colleen is up next. minneapolis, minnesota. good morning. caller: morning. the media, i don't really trust the media and here's the reason.

back in the reagan bill clinton eras, we started going into the 24 hour news cycle. which at first was great. but then it became about views. now it is more about views than fact. looking to get the commercial time in, looking to get the view . you know? with sinclair people need to wake up about them. john oliver has a great segment. they read off a script. if you have sinclair in your area it's more likely they are all reading the same script. one station is probably going to have the same thing. i don't trust the media. i trust some media i guess but that would be more like sam cedar at the majority report. you should have her on sometime. when people don't understand the media, they create it. donald trump, we created him by focusing on him too much.

the media created him and now he can't be stopped. in the cycle of profits, it's what we did because he was good for views. we did it for views. all media does that to some extent. but there is some good. like sam cedar. but we are not looking at inflation and where it's really coming from, corporate greed. we aren't doing a lot of that stuff. we aren't talking about ron desantis having a lot of propaganda and fascist right wing stuff, we are barely covering that because we are too busy focused on trump and i'm glad we have c-span because c-span says a lot about viewer interaction but not a lot of news media does that. it's corporate interest with commercials and views. how much views rather than facts. when the media went to radio it wasn't 24 hours, it was breaking

news. you get one new cycle per day. now it's 24 hours and anything is fair game. they will cover anything as long as they can get. hope you have a good morning. host: gwendolyn, detroit, good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call. i'm in my 70's, i remember when i first started watching c-span. you had cabinets in the background back there. the station has all been re-modernized and everything. where you go to pullout news articles and different things. you had both parties. you had both parties there republican and democrat sitting at the table discussing things and brian ladd said wait let's check on this and that. go to the file cabinet and pullout fact and bring it forward. that was when i don't know if

the fairness doctrine was going on at that time were not. that's when i became interested in watching c-span because i saw both sides sitting there at the same time. and brian lamb challenging their positions on what they were saying. but since the fairness doctrine has been eliminated, they don't have to do that anymore. i think that's where the problem is. c-span to me is the only channel that really tries to be fair with republicans and democrats on giving both sides. but it is not challenged. that is where the problem is. we get to say everything we want to say but it is not challenged with the facts. so that's all i had to say. host: another viewer from michigan. this is rob, not sure if he trusts the media. rob, go ahead.

caller: thank you for taking my call. like the altar callers, there's some media i trust and some i don't. the one i'm unsure about is your very own show. that came about some months ago when you had a guest on talking about compact states and explaining what it was all about . he made a statement saying that our goal is to circumvent the constitution and your moderators eyebrows raised high and his eyes got wide but he failed to ask critical question of wait a second, what about the oath's all elected officials take to support and defend the constitution and not try to circumvent it? i don't know if that is a case of your moderator was an advocate himself or he lacked the journalistic experience where he lacked the journalistic integrity. i invite you to pull the tape and review it and respond at a later date.

other than that i'm a big fan of "the washington journal," that surprised me that it actually happened. host: appreciate that. this is from decision magazine and the story about media bias distorting the truth. they quote former fox news and abc news journalist and anchors, brit hume, who said in the interview about that, the trump let -- trump russia colluon fiasco is the greatest unlisted fiasco of mlifetime and even the times said there news out of built on the story and it didn't pan out, didn't pan out because it was driven by bias. they thought it was true because in their view it must be. read more at decision magazine. robert is next in richmond, maine. good morning. caller: good morning. one of you was just talking about the, the candidate for

president. i would like to see "washington journal," instead of anecdotal information gathering, take the five biggest stories in the eight to 10 years and just compare the major news sites, who got it right, who got it wrong. we keep going on about the 51, the 51 officials that lied and the laptop from hell and how it was covered up. who got that right and wrong? we don't really talk about the facts. we know what the facts are. we know how many times the media got things wrong and we know who got it wrong. that's about it. host: carson city, nevada. richard, good morning.

caller: i would like to say that i trust the news media to a certain extent, but i really trust them to sensationalize most everything. it's always the extreme to one side of the other. and they are trying to make a buck when it really boils down to it. they want to be watched. their supporters are paying a lot of money. host: has that gotten worse over the years in your view? caller: yes, yes it has, to a great extent. but news is always sensationalized, don't get me wrong. i do trust our media. or half of it. [chuckles] host: you trust your local media

is what you are saying? caller: well yes, i trust local media to give me my local news. but when it comes to internationally, they speak like either the fox site or the msnbc site or somewhere in between, sometimes. as far as national news is concerned. host: all right. this is some local reporting from the star advertiser in honolulu. the maui wildfire death toll increases to 96, writing that as of 10:15 last night the police department said the number of confirmed fatalities from the massive wildfire tuesday has risen to 396 and it's the worst u.s. wildfire in over a century.

we are going to talk a bit more later in the program about further updates on the maui fire in open forum segments of the program, nine: 15 eastern this morning. a call next from hawaii. tj is on the line. good morning. caller: good morning. it's t.a. the fire is a disaster. what's really, first of all let me answer your question. i don't trust the media. they don't tell the truth. they are owned by the same people. i do watch c-span because i like to see it raw from congress and in the senate but realistically half of the sources are facebook and twitter like everybody else. they either want to push fear or entertainment in a lot of cases. on the maui front, i would say mostly the island, like this island is beautiful, not just

the island, but the community. very supportive. things are, you know, you wouldn't believe the line to donate. lahaina is, it takes a long time to build stuff here. they would rather talk about climate change being an issue versus saying i don't know the whole central valley used to be sugarcane in the growing it. when they quit roaming it, they quit watering it. when they talk about wildfires, and our firemen are awesome, by the way, top-notch. i think people come to train here, they are so good. but when it hit the structure, it's over. nobody's asking like why. i don't understand. the first fire was at 12:22. it was on the highway before you

even get here. in the distance between that -- those places, they were nowhere close. the wind was crazy. they don't even want to ask that kind of stuff and right now you have got a real problem with people not being able to access it because they go elsewhere now . but guess where their kids or grandkids live? host: what is the number of kids -- people displaced by the fire, do you know? caller: i honestly don't know. at least a hundred thousand. permanent residence on this island, there's double inside. there's thousands in the shelters. pretty much everyone has given up vacation rentals to whoever. people want to go to their house.

again this is the real bad part. if the kids were out of school, a lot of them are like, the death toll. three? come on at this point, i don't know, there's only one way out of lahaina and it was blocked quick. they knew that, it happened multiple times. totally preventable. host: thank you for the input on the media topic and an update from your vantage point there in hawaii. utah is next. james, good morning. caller: i wanted to let you know that i do support the news, certain parts of news. when i watch fox, newsmax, c-span and "the weather channel ," i saw your poll a while ago about the news media. when i was in iraq, we had three televisions in three parts of

the mess hall. you had fox, cnn, and msnbc. hardly anybody was sitting at msnbc. not enough to get a baseball team going. cnn maybe had people. fox had, you had to sit shoulder to shoulder to watch fox because fox puts on a lot of retired generals. that's what we watched, retired generals and what they had to say. i started watching newsmax because my cable started airing it. and then the weather channel because we have a lot of tornadoes down here. host: the weather channel, you watch it a lot. are they up to date and speed in terms of the accuracy of predicting tornadoes and telling you where they are? caller: i flit from the weather

channel to a tv station in mississippi just 60 miles away. we've got another coming from the west. so i watch that tv channel the when i watch, to prepare for what's coming. host: kind of on the same thing, in light of what happened in lahaina, folks saying they didn't get warnings at all. do you have an app on your phone, like weather channel app or the weather underground? caller: i'll tell you like it is. i'm a redneck. i work outside. do a lot of bush talk. when i'm on the farm i checked the radar. host: well, stay safe.

there's a lot of summer still left, obviously. main, black field, jimmy. caller: i do not trust the media. every assertion from every source must be examined on its merits. back in the day there was a famous novel in which they said freedom is slavery, war is peace, ignorance is strength. now we must add anti-zionism is anti-semitism. all vaccines are safe and effective. russia's war on ukraine is unprovoked. i see the mainstream media has been in lockstep and in a dishonest lockstep on all three of those things.

pervading everything you nice people are trying to do. it's very sad but your credibility is that. have a good day. host: this is from the ap poll, breaking it down by party. democrats and active news consumers of the most likely to trust the news. 55% overall moderate. 45% a little or none. scrolling up to the republican view on that, a majority of republicans believe the news media is doing more to hurt democracy. 17% doing more to protect democracy. and more to hurt democracy. among the republicans they polled, 40%. david in maryland, up next. go ahead. caller: hey, this is david. i'm just trying to say that when you look most -- at most of the

democratic run cities and how most news agencies portray them, it's just a lie. why would you have a sanctuary city stealing american taxpayer money and then giving it and funding border jumpers? you know? you don't help the people that pay the taxes in your own state? it's democrat run. look at democrat cities, they are the ones falling apart. how can you trust news agencies when they lie? look at all the ones that said russian collusion. for three years they lied. host: so in terms of big cities, your view is that the news outlets in those cities don't tell the truth about what's happening or your view is that national media doesn't tell the truth of what's happening in american cities?

80% -- caller: 80% to 90% just straight out lie, giving their opinion like rachel maddow. they live straight out. host: let's hear from robert in worcester, massachusetts. go ahead. caller: i would like to say one thing, first of all. the american people are beautiful people. all of us. black, white, blue, yellow. i want to start with that. i want to say one thing. donald trump is a pathological liar. he has a disorder.

had to have a psychological half so that we could understand the president who's running. nobody in this state, let me tell you one thing, this is it. everybody has love. if you are going to hate, you're going to love. it's one of those things we all have in common. host: here's the story on the potential legal problems of the former president in georgia. grand jury to hear the case earlier this week. writing that willis will begin presenting the election interference case against trump and his allies to a grand jury this week and the timeline came into sharper for -- focus saturday when jeff duncan and

joy sheedy separately concern -- confirmed they have received notifications they will testify on tuesday. earl is calling from florida. your views on the media, earl? caller: good morning, good morning. in harmony with the lady who called earlier and said she looked at c-span in the early days. i remember when republicans pushed the doctrine, that they didn't want it anymore because they looked at capitalism and you know they got rush limbaugh and the shock jocks. rush limbaugh show them you could make so much money and advertisement. snapple made so much money because of the rush limbaugh advertisement. and they learned from him how you can sell a product. right now the people who listen to these shows, they were

probably working and don't know anything about what's happening. it's the same principle. we can sell our products to a billion people. now china is beating them in a game of capitalism. and you hear them complaining about china now. it's the choices these people made in the past. we spoke about it. it's a famous doctrine. listening to you all i'm seeing the consequences, everybody pick a side, a team. to promote the product they want to sell. have a great day. host: appreciate your perspective. coming up we take a deeper dive into the climate related inflation reduction act. signed into law when you're go this week.

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help support our nonprofit operations. shop now or anytime at she's -- at c-span shop.org. >> "washington journal" continues. host: call this week here on "washington journal," we will be taking a look at the inflation reduction act. it has been when years and's president biden sign that into law and we are looking at different provisions of the climate legislation this week and their effect on areas like clean energy, job creation, electric vehicles and agriculture. to kick us off, we are joined by robinson meyer, the founding executive editor of heat map news and is here to talk about the clean energy provisions in the inflation reduction act and more. york news outlet, what you focus on? guest: we are a new media company were founded earlier this year, focused on what we believe is the biggest story in the world, climate change and

energy. we focus on this great decarbonization story that is happening across every country, across every continent and the political and cultural fallout and ecological fallout. you can find us at heat map. news. host: how are you guest: single investor we are suspicion based. one of the decisions we made as a news outlet is with digital media, the best way to align our incentives and the best way to align how we work as a media company is to get most of our revenue from them. and it's an $80 annual subscription and eight dollars monthly subscription and we think having a pay wall, a digital subscription is the best way for us to reach our readers. host: on a typical day, what are

you reporting on? guest: i cover the policy and politics of energy transition. we might have a new review of an electric vehicle or a story about a court case or a law that goes through congress that will affect energy for the oil market or the. -- solar or wind market. whenever there is a large wildfire like earlier this year with the huge canadian smoke storms hitting the united states , we are covering those things. one thing that i admire about her coverage is that some weather coverage now we try to be quite honest with readers about this factor of this disaster probably had something to do with climate change or another factor didn't. we know disasters like this are becoming more common. host: there are several things

this morning about the wildfire in maui and also the step-by-step guide to wildfire evacuation. we will talk about and focus on the climate provisions in the inflation reduction act. what was the intent a year ago? guest: when we look at the energy provisions in the inflation reduction act, the first was to me america's target under the paris agreement which is to cut u.s. emissions in half by 2030. the law by itself doesn't quite get his there but it gets us close. the second is to revitalize u.s. manufacturing and the u.s. have advanced competitiveness with china which is a focus of a number of biden administration policies including the bipartisan infrastructure law and the chips act but was also a goal of the ira.

the third goal and this encompasses the others but it was to give the united states a climate policy and to give us a starting place from which we could build what the rest of our decarbonization plan and policy would look like. it's important here to step back and say climate policy, climate change became a political issue let's say in 1988 when scientists first alerted the senate that climate change was happening. there was a big u.n. conference in 1992 but for the next 30 years, the united states really did not have not even a climate policy, we didn't have a plan or any way we had to reduce our carbon emissions. we had no consensus on how to go about doing this. with the ira did was create a framework for tax credits r&d

grants and a slew of different physical tools to give us a climate policy. that in some cases is a curse but that's the biggest thing was to have america be able to be a part of his global climate transition and for us to stop being a retro great actor. host: to get to the climate policy in the biden administration, it had to be a vehicle known as the inflation reduction act. guest: exactly, all the tax credits and all the subsidies in the law, those are all focused on this goal of reducing emissions by 2030. host: let's look at the provisions and i will start with the $10 billion in tax credits to build electric vehicles, solar panels and wind turbines. after a year, where are we? guest: where we really see the text credit taking hold is in manufacturing. since the law passed, there have

been 51 new factories for solar alone open in the u.s.. it's all the parts of the solar supply chain, transformers and all the tools you need. we are a think we are early is seeing that money trickle through bringing electricity to the grid. last year, all the decisions for -- preceded the inflation reduction act. wind or solar or zero carbon was the focus last year and i expect that to rise in the years a come but we are not there yet. host: and that bill signed last year, $7,500 tax credit or tax rebates for buying an electric vehicle. have americans bought into that? guest: it depends are -- where you are looking. what's interesting about how it works is that it is divided into

two parts and it's only for first vehicles made in the united states. then it -- then you get half of it if you refine the minerals of the batteries in the united states in the second half is enough of the battery was manufactured in the u.s., the rising percentage over time. again, we are seeing some pickup in the ev market but the goal of that provision which was shaped by senator manchin was to build a u.s. tv manufacturing base and i think we have definitely seen a response there. since the law started, i think 61 new electric vehicle manufacturer facilities are in the u.s. in 56 billion dollars of investment. host: our guest is the founding executive editor of heat map

news. we are talking about the inflation reduction act, particular the climate provisions and some of the provisions that have been implemented over the past year and we welcome your calls and comments that the republican line (202) 748-8001, (202) 748-8000 democrats line and all others, (202) 748-8002. on the electric vehicle tax credits. at the time or shortly thereafter, number of foreign car manufacturers were concerned they were being shut out of the american market because of the tax credits. has that been resolved? guest: it has been somewhat resolved. in some cases, the foreign manufactures just opening factories in the united states they say we have to play along so a have to open factories

here. another provision is a $7,500 credit for releasing an electric vehicle. -- four leasing an electric vehicle. any ev will qualify. i believe hyundai or maybe vw, there electric vehicle sales are happening through leasing. host: there is a $20 billion loans available for promoting electrical vehicle manufacturing. there were battery factories being built in this country. it happened in states like georgia and alabama with huge battery manufacturing. did those plants start because of the provision or are they benefiting from the provision? host: guest: i would say both.

we saw some electric vehicle manufacturing facilities opening in the years before the ira. there has been explosion since the ira. in terms of manufacturers using the credit, ford is opening a large facility in conjunction with battery manufacturing. that facility is going to be entirely paid for by one kind of government support or another including large-scale loans through the ira or other loans. host: in your reporting, where have american consumers receive the biggest benefit out of the climate provisions? guest: so far, american consumers have probably seen the biggest benefit through the ev leasing provision and through

the ev provisions broadly. in the years to come, they will probably see the biggest benefit for renewable tax credits through what i would say many folks associate with meeting electric prices and it will be your dish easier to install renewables. host: our american utilities -- utility companies benefiting from this by converting to clean energy? guest: but they are also fighting it. at the same time, the law has set up subsidies and tax credits to build out renewables and other electricity, the environmental protection agency is trying to put down rules that will actually force companies to do that. many fighting those euros but many utilities are already committed to a zero target either eliminating all carbon omissions from their electricity

by 2040. host: what states have done follow on provisions or laws of their own in the wake of the passage of the climate provision? guest: we have seen some policy in blue states like new york state has passed a law but it basically says if utilities aren't building renewables quickly enough that the state will step in and build some of its own. in the south, what we've seen, it doesn't look like policy per se but we have seen a lot of tax credits local tax incentives extended to manufacturers to encourage them to build their facilities in the sunbelt and now what we call the battery belt. host: do you know the level of employment where these are happening? guest: since the ira past, there have been 37,000 new jobs announced across the country. how many of those jobs would

happen anyway? it's hard to say but it's been such an explosion in investment and this is the biggest take away, the biggest impact of the ira now is that there was no guarantee u.s. was going to develop an electric vehicle supply chain. we have a good internal combustion supply chain there was no guarantee we would dominate electric vehicles as well. it seemed like europe and china were going to excel at that and since the ira past, the u.s. has stepped up and now seems likely we will now meet or exceed our domestic demand for electric vehicles through let's say north american manufacturing. host: your calls are welcome, (202) 748-8001 republican line and democrats is (202) 748-8000 independence and all others, (202) 748-8002. we will go first to maryland on

the republican line, good morning. caller: good morning. i'd like to bring up the fact that whenever there is talk about climate change or climate issues, what is always omitted from the conversation is when you use words like tax credits for electric vehicles or we will subsidize things. that's kind of like a soft way of saying we will soak the american taxpayer for those. what will happen is people in the lowest tax bracket, if you make less than $40,000 per year, you will not be able to buy an electric vehicle but the tax money is going to be forced on people who can't by electric vehicles. the whole thing with climate is i wish you would come out and say what it really is, the people behind this literally believe there are too many people on this planet and went

climate change people make prediction after prediction which they have for the last 70 years, the goalposts keeps changing. first it was global warming and then global freezing and leonard nimoy in 1979 claimed that new york was going to be under a constant snow belt within 10 years. in 1989, there was a washington post article that said the world was basically going to come to an end in 10 years. host: let's look at your point for the tax credits, who's picking up that tap? guest: the criticism you hear from the left, the far left as well as some republicans have said that many incentives in the law do not do enough to help renters. who's buying in ev? it's normally mid to upper income folks.

also there is a lot of incentives and we haven't talked about people buying a heat pump or any these home appliances that emit less carbon. homeowners are the mid to upper income people. the ev tax credit and the home income tax credit or home appliance tax credit or income cap so if you make more than $150,000 a year, you cannot take advantage. host: let's dive in a couple of those additional provisions in the inflation reduction act. signed a year ago this week by president biden, $20 million, $9 million for retrofits and $20 million to assist farmers and ranchers and $30 billion for cities and states to transition utilities to clean electricity and we talked a little about that. touch on the situation for farmers and ranchers. guest: we are at the beginning

of understanding how to do this. we know at 10 of carbon is absorbed by the soil each year and there is more carbon resting in the soil then there may be in the atmosphere. the ideas if we can find a way to get this soil to emit less carbon that we might be able to use farms and ranches as a place to fight global warming. that funding is meant to go out to farmers and encourage them to change their approach in a certain way that may reduce carbon. host: have you seen any examples of that? guest: it's pretty early and what that will come down to is the science unfamiliar with shows is regional. a technique that increases your carbon intake in the bay area of california for the central valley is not the same approach you want to use in iowa in the corn belt.

i think the money should go to making sure we understand every region of the country maybe using the existing agricultural higher education institutions we have to figure out what regions we should be doing to soak up carbon? host: tony in chicago on the independent line, good morning. caller: good morning, everybody. i appreciate segments like these. unfortunately, what's missing from this bill in my knowledge and something i think would help either renters or low income individuals in more urban areas is electrifying lines. there are things going toward the manufacture of ev's.

those things will be priced too far out for workers now have their real wages being completely decimated by inflation and all that. to build out more public transit infrastructure that's electrified and especially electrifying a lot of our rail lines and expanding our rail lines that we have. we've been building electrified locomotives and china is the global leader in this and i would like to say before you get into it, china is a global leader in green energy infrastructure and their emissions are lower than the united states per capita. china's omissions are lower than the united states per capita. they've been a global leader and there's a lot to learn from them in terms of their technology and their usage in the ways they direct the manufacturer of these

products is not true incentives but national planning and national control of the market so the whole country can move forward and accomplish a goal. that's something that's missing here because we rely on private utilities and private manufacturers. we go up the line with incentives in the hope that it will get the job done but that will take too much time with the prices we have now and the crisis we have now will not allow us the time. guest: i think the caller's point is well taken. as i was thinking about that, there is not much public transit funding in the ira. that being said, that is because i believe the administration believes it has put ample funding for public transportation in the infrastructure law. it passed in late december of 2021 and by the time the ira

past, it already topped off on public transportation funding. it's true there is not the same investment in public transit in this law is a thing some folks would say is appropriate. not only to electrify the car fleet that we have in this country but we also need to reduce the number of miles every car driver has to drive. one main way to do that is to roll out public transit. the point about public planning is an interesting question because on the one hand, there is no central planning authority behind the ira. it's a relief to some republicans to say there is no authority behind the ira that says you must hit these targets. democrats look to provisions

that would be heavily encouraged. if utilities don't reduce their missions by a certain amount every year, they should pay higher taxes are a fine. joe manchin rejected those. that being said, i think the u.s. has borrowed more -- has adapted aspects of what the chinese policies are in ways that work in the american system. other things that china does is cluster together lots of high-tech manufacturer so they can rely on the same power resources and rely on the same subcontractors. the u.s. will do that with a number of other technologies. we also have extended credits and making it cheaper to give you access to credit so if you want to open a credit that is a factory, china does that as well. host: you view this is our first real climate policy in the chinese don't have to worry

about climate policy changing every four years. guest: that's true. host: in a situation where a republican is elected president in 2024, what is the chance to provisions in the ira are cut back? guest: republicans in the house of already proposed repealing many of these tax credits including the renewable tax credits. they have already proposed repealing some of those. i think it will be interesting to see if republicans hit a trifecta in 2025 and whether they follow through. therean aca here where republicans talk about how they will repeal this but when push comes to shove, they discover these car manufacturers are opening in their district. the largest solar manufacturer is in georgia and texas and they are benefiting from these provisions. whether they are willing to pull

back the support when they take off is an open question. i think republican rhetoric about the law has focused on the increased funding for the ira. i would expect that to be the norm. host: the caller talked about electrifying rail. is there intention behind the priorities of mass transit with federal and local policy and the growing field of electric vehicles, individual transportation? where do we allocate those federal dollars? guest: the caller is testing my deep knowledge of the transportation funding and infrastructure law. i believe there is funding in the infrastructure law as well for freight rail. that's how we move most rail in this country.

there is -- i don't think we will hit that for the next decade. i think of a lot cities can do to increase public transit options. one thing cities are focusing on now is it's much more expensive for a mile of subway than it is in china or europe. we have many of the same environmental laws but they are figuring out how they can build public transit cheaper and they are building out that system and encouraging more within cities. the same time, most americans live in suburbs or beyond. in those areas, there is something to do to improve public transit but those are car dependent transportation systems we have and the focus is on single family homes and what they can do and what policy will focus on their. host: the executive editor, the

founding executive editor of heat map. news and we have a florida caller, good morning. caller: good morning. i would like for linux and tob do more networking. eta. caller: they need to remove themselves from my cellular phone. i am not pleased with that situation it doesn't make any sense. no more manufacturing. [indiscernible] please remove all those off my

cell your phone. host: it sounds like an individual issue. we will go to dominic from ontario, canada, good morning. caller: hey, how is it going, good mordant? you've got to nationalize your gas and energy industries, that's the first thing that has to happen. that is a base thing. next, you can work that into your rail infrastructure so you can move people from -- people and things from one place. once you do that, you build off of that and you get some social housing in there and get then you get some people may be surviving. then maybe you have a function in society. i don't know.

host: what are the energy company reaction to this in terms of their transition in some cases partial transition, to green energy? have they generally embrace the provisions of the ira? guest: they have not. no, at the tail end of the trump administration, there were ambitious plans to not just be in oil and gas anymore and we will be part of this transition and invest in renewables. than the ukraine were happened. gas prices went up in the oil market spiked in oil is a profitable business again. one thing you saw oil executives realize is that probably oil come as long as we needed, it will remain a more profitable business than the low-margin and

value-based renewable poor utility base structure. they have pulled back some of their plans. you do see oil companies in a company like occidental based in texas, you see it with others as well, occidental is the strongest example, but they are talking about their business not as oil and gas but as energy management. you take the carbon out and you burn and and later we bring it back in. in order to meet -- in order for the world to keep on with global warming, we have 2d carbonized the energy system and significantly reduce our use of fossil fuels and it won't be enough to have us all burned gas and have these big factories in texas that pull the carbon out of the air and put it back in the ground. we do think we will need a little bit of carbon removal from the air which is hard to

do. it's quite early. host: barely a car company exist these days that doesn't offer an ev. has that push been accelerated by the climate conditions? guest: absolutely, there were some car companies that were just that went quite hard on ev's and some like tioga that was not. -- like toyota that was not. most every car company has pretty robust support. that means the car companies look around and eeev transition will happen but they can see a world 10-15 years away where you can get a better car for less then you can now. the cost of batteries will clear the threshold at which point it will become cheaper not only to

run an e but also to buyv one and then they will say ev's host: let's hear from randall in ohio. caller: yes, good morning. i was goinga to purchasen ev strictly because of the tax credit. i'm retired and live on social security and savings. i found out the tax credit is much more complicated than what it sounds like. you have to have earned income. if you don't have a income, you don't get the $7,500 as i understand it. if you are low income or in my case, social security and living on savings, it was a surprise to me. i was wondering why is it a tax credit and not a straight out rebate? that's how it seems to be advertised.

i thought the dealer would knock out the $7,500. i chose a hybrid plug-in. could you explain that, please? guest: absolutely, the caller is right that it's a tax credit and not a rebate. you do need what they call tax equity to take advantage of this. what that means is when you look at the income cap, you can't -- you can't make more than 150,000 dollars per year and then you start generating enough tax equity or tax liability to use the rebate around $45,000 per year. there is actually an income bracket where it works. why it's a tax credit and not a rebate, it's cheaper. it's easier to score.

host: that means in relation to the deficit? guest: yes, the caller may be able to take advantage of a manufacturing credit. then you don't own a car, you are leasing. host: does it require a certain amount of years? guest: i do not believe it does. you see these automakers rolling out deals. you can lease for $399 per month and lee's credit is included. there is a change and this has not yet been implemented but there is a change coming where the dealer will be able to take advantage of the rebate or the tax credit on the sale. i don't believe that changes a tax equity question where if you don't have a next -- enough tax income, you basically can't use

the credit but it may but that will not be implemented until next year. i don't know exactly how it will work. host: here is a question on tax -- guest: are we going to have enough charging infrastructure that the ev owners, will they be able to go on road trips? there is an of money in the provision with the charger buildout.

a lot of automakers are using the tesla charging standards because they have the superior charging network. as we add more renewables, that will be in certain places where is the best -- where there is the best renewable resources. we still use the grid and it works on the thomas edison model where you stick a coal plant in the middle of a city and run power lines from it. that's not how the grid will work if we have solar panels in the sunniest or windiest parts of the countries. y. that would help to clean up the grid and bring more electricity onto the grid. there will be more demand from all the electric vehicles. host: charlie in north carolina on the independent line. caller: thank you for taking my

call this morning. i want to ask the gentleman there, can he explain what happens to the bus plant that is gone out of business and the taxpayers of the united states have lost $6 billion and up -- and nobody knows where it went? the solar panel thing you're talking about down in georgia, what happened to the solar panel business in california that was started by president obama that where we lost $5 million within three months? how can you explain how all of this is changing over from combustible vehicles we use and is it saving us any money? host: where was the bus plants? ? caller: wasn't it in upstate new york somewhere?

it's the one kamala harris went to and she was promoting this plan. guest: i believe the caller is referencing a company calledprotera which went out of business. i think companies go out of business. i can speak a little better on the solar. it's true the obama administration, coming out of the financial crisis was trying to bring back the economy. the recovery act of 2009 spent a lot of money to build up solar manufacturing in the united states. at the time, the assessment was made where they looked around and said we will invest in the most advanced solar technology so we can bring them to market.

a number of investors went with the government on that theory. at the same time, china was trying to come back from the financial crisis. entrepreneurs were part of the story but in 2010-2011, china significantly scaled up its manufacturing of what we call conventional solar panels, the normal technology that existed at the time, because they scaled it so much and basically got so good at making so many solar panels, they brought down the cost significantly. that undercut the american solar panel manufacturing. by that point of 2012, control of congress had flipped over and there is no interest in protecting these investments americans had made. many of the solar manufacturers went out of business or license

their technology elsewhere. the interesting question that the caller raised is we have a capitalist system and you invest in businesses and sometimes you lose money. one thing i think many americans have felt in the biden administration -- you hear senator rubio talking about this -- the system of financing in the financial system we have now is not very good at supporting next-generation technology and supporting manufacturing because those technologies take 30 years to pay off and you need a long-term view and that's not something our kind of system can provide. they suspend this they sustain that by extending tax credits. u.s. is now trying that with

manufacturers and investing in places where private finance is not willing to invest. on the one hand, that's good, that's competing with china but that bubbly means the u.s. will make riskier investments that normal banks would make that may mean some dollars lost. host: one more call in sussex county, new jersey, go ahead. caller: i'm calling about -- there are solar farms all over the place in my area. you bite an electric vehicle and there's absolutely no place to charge one. charging it from your house is a chore. even if you can afford to do it, it will take all day to charge her car to go 50 miles to charge it for whenever it is, 20 bucks

to charge it up. host: we talked about the increase, the slow increase in terms of charging places. what about charging at home, what has to be done about that? guest: if you plug your ev into a wall outlet, it will take a long time to charge. one thing that needs to happen is that homeowners in some states support this a but when you buyn ev sometimes there is support for this but you need to upgrade, you almost put in like a dryer or laundry machine line in your home in order to charge up. host: is there money in the climate act for this? guest: i believe there is but we are now at the edge of my knowledge.

i believe there is one thing that's interesting is that will require a lot of act electricians. one thing you see states doing in all this money comes at the state level is to say we need to build up the electricians in the state because no matter what, the grid will get greener and that will mean we are using more renewables and people will put in ev charging and we will need folks to go to homes. that will require more electricians. host: we are following these stories and more at heat map. news. rob meyer is their executive/founding editor at heat map. news. thanks for being with us. we will look at a discussion the climate provisions in the inflation reduction act. we will talk with bloomberg news and she will look at various energy efficient home improvement tax credits and incentives included in that legislation. that's coming up next.

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tech. guest: thank you for having me. host: we had a caller asking about the home charging. if one were to improve one's home charging, are there tax credits available for upgrading your home to be easier to charge your electric vehicle? guest: yes, my understanding is there is a tax credit. homeowners can update their garages but i'm not sure what the credit amount is for that but it is an option. host: give us a broad view of what's covered in this clean energy tax credit. guest: which one a particular? host: let's start with the electric vehicles. guest: the electric vehicle tax credit is up to $7,500 for individuals. it depends on your income so there are thresholds whether --

filing jointly, it needs to be under $200,000. if you are under that threshold, you can potentially qualify for electric vehicle tax credit. on the company site, they need to make sure their cars meet the requirements of the tax credit. taxpayers want to make sure the car they are buying is qualified for this. host: people were able to take advantage of that tax credit last year and saw some results from that. what do we know so far about americans and the tax credit? guest: we probably won't know until the filing season early next year in terms of the amount of people that claim the credit. it's early in terms of interest in the credit. host: are you seeing any anecdotal reporting on how people are doing? guest: there is definitely interest. i heard a caller expressing interest in it.

they are trying to figure out how it works. the irs and treasury is not giving guidance for companies and taxpayers and how they can use in how people can qualify. it's still very much early stages but we will know more when the filing season comes around next year. host: what covered under the energy efficiency tax credit guest: guest: for home improvements? that's a 30% tax credit on that's making home improvements on your home. it can be replacing doors, windows, you can get a home energy audit, you can also have certain limits to how much will be covered for each of those different categories. for stores is like 5 -- for doors is like $500 and windows are like $600. there are different levels of what people can install to improve home energy. host: is there any sunset on

those provisions? guest: that will sunset i think in 2032. there is eight cap on these credits. there is not a lifetime cap so that means each year, the cap will start again. for this first group of projects like windows and doors, that has a cap of $1200 each year. then biomass, heat pumps, that has a $2000 limit each year. once you hit that limit, that's it. host: you mentioned an energy audit, what would be included in that? you could get a tax credit for getting that done by a utility or an electrician? guest: a home energy audit, you think of it like going to the doctor to get a physical but for your home.

you bring in an energy auditor to see how energy-efficient it is and they make a diagnosis of where you can go from there to be more energy-efficient. the irs has recent guidance on who exactly can be one of these auditors that come to your home. the department of energy has a list of qualified energy auditors but there is a transition rule for the first year. taxpayers do not have to necessarily have someone come from that list. it can be someone that is essentially qualified but doesn't have to be summoned on that list and it gives taxpayers some flexibility. host: any idea typically what that would cost for a single-family home? guest: it would be between $200-$700. host: the tax credit would offset that? guest: it would help offset that cost. host: we are talking about the

tax credits available under the inflation reduction act. (202) 748-8001 is the line to call for republicans, (202) 748-8000 democrats and everyone else (202) 748-8002. you can also send us a text if you want. (202) 748-8003. we will look for some of those as well. are there other tax credits and provisions or do all of the tax credit are provisions under the inflation reduction act have a sunset? guest: yes, all of the provisions will have a sunset. on the corporate side, that was something they were excited about. the tax credits would roll over every two years depending on the

shape of congress but now they have a 10 year runway on the corporate side. on the individual side, those credits also have a 10 year runway. some of them like the residential clean energy tax credit, that tax credit amount will decrease over time like two years before it expires in 2024. it will go to 26 percent, than 24%. host: what sort of history do we have with the use of these tax credits particular in the energy field in the u.s. over the past decade or so? have they been effective at getting people to change behavior? guest: my understanding is people are already looking to add these energy efficient tools , these projects to their homes which is an extra incentive. i don't know if this is that much of an incentive to now decide i want to be more energy-efficient.

host: we were talking about the tax credits forev's. the income level was $150,000. someone was complaining that it really doesn't help people in the low income strata. our guest said there is a leasing provision where you can get a tax credit for leasing. what do you know about that? guest: i'm not as familiar with that but for a lot of these tax credits, you need to have a tax bill to benefit from tax credits. these are not refundable tax credits. if you don't have a high enough tax bill to use the credit, you can't get cash and make up the difference for some of these credits, you can carry them forward what's left over from the text credits to next year you really need to see how that. applies. host: have some states followed

suit with energy tax credits? guest: some states have but i only cover federal tax credits. host: we will go first to jim in orlando, florida on the independent line, good morning. caller: good morning, the only reason i would think of buying an electric vehicle would be. long distance driving i'm wondering why they should give you a j dad take -- give you a gigantic discount to rent a car when you take long trips? it should be like 75% off and i would do it in a heartbeat. ia would getn ev for local traveling and i would have a discount when i go on vacation. guest: i can't necessarily speak to why they wouldn't have an

incentive like that. the inflation reduction act has a focus on infrastructure to have a greater ev infrastructure all over the united states of the charging stations would be everywhere. it's still early stages of the law and we will see more within the next decade of what the actual impact of the incentives are. host: let's go to erie, illinois, go ahead. caller: i was at a car rental place not too long ago and they will practically give you an electric vehicle and money if you will finally rent one from them. the idea that we will have electric vehicles in this country, i'm 76 years old and is the most unbelievable thing this green stuff we are purchased -- pursuing down a rabbit hole with tax money and tax breaks. my goodness, there are some

people that still have their faculties about them that realize we don't control the weather. we never have. we never will. we are bankrupting the country because of a bunch of leftists have convinced this president that we should do away with the energy that we have and put up more windmills and stuff and get -- people big tax breaks and have people pay for that. taxpayers like best just like that they're not insane realize we don't control the weather and put up all these windmills and solar panels -- host:host: he and a previous pen talked about car rental firms. have they been incentivized to add ev to their fleet? can they take advantage of this? host: i am not sure.

i'm not familiar. host: to gabriel in new hampshire, democrat line. caller: i am wondering how giving the refunds to people that go directly to corporations and businesses, if that is ad effective -- as effective as -- a lot of corporations are still just out there to make money even if they might be green. it worries me that we could push out some good innovative small companies when the big ones get all of the money from the incentives. thank you. host: he is talking about rebates. these are not rebates, these are tax credits. guest: these are not rebates, they are tax credits. i am less familiar with what a rebate is in this context. the tax credit is something that

depending on the credit, there is an unlimited amount. i know the joint committee has done an estimate of how much the tax credits in the inflation reduction act would cost the government entities over six under $60 billion. so the cost is great, we will see what the impact will be. host: so the attacks credits included in the inflation reduction act include credits to build electric vehicles, solar panels and wind turbines. and tax credit rebates for electric vehicle purchases and initially $20 billion in loans to promote the manufacturing. do we know yet, is it too early to know how much of this has been taken advantage of by companies? guest: it is early to know.

i know the biden administration and many democrats are touting, in honor of the anniversary of the inflation induction act, how many projects have been announced. but when i talked to states and companies, those were in place before. and they have their own manufacturing capacity as a reason why people are investing in those states. we don't know specifically who is claiming the tax credits unless they publicly say because it is taxpayer information that the irs would not release. but i have seen public announcements about interest in tax credits. host: ron calling from illinois, republican mine. go ahead. caller: hello? host: you are on the air. caller: i was calling about this tax credit. i am retired and have been for some years.

we were given a house that was headed down, an older house, and i think the tax credits, maybe i would get an electric car. i found out five years ago i was not feeling so good, turns out i got cancer. i am dying. i wanted to leave my wife something. but since biden took over the white house, we have been unable to save any money. i don't apply for a tax credit. what i have had for two years, two generations now is going down the drain. i am afraid when i die my wife is going to live in a cardboard box. host: so you don't qualify to take advantage of the tax credit?

caller: they just said you have to have an earned income. i am living on social security so i don't have a technical income. how can i do that? host: ok, we touched on this earlier, you do have to have it reported income and social security income does not count? caller: i don't think social security income does count. but the home improvement tax credit and the residential clean energy tax credits are two that you can be a homeowner, a renter and as long as you live in a house, you can also be a second home, you might qualify for that. it is not the vehicle credit but it is a different one. host: what type of credits does the law provide for clean energy manufacturing? guest: there are about a dozen different types of clean energy incentives and many of them are not for companies. one i have heard a lot about is

the investment tax credit under section 48 c, which you mentioned there is a 10 billion allocation for countries -- companies interested in the tax credit. that is something where companies have to apply. in the first round of funding, the application process has already started. the way it works is once a company applies, the department of energy will rank the project and they will send it to the irs. the irs will go down until there is no funding left. this is not a new program. the obama administration did have this program, around $2 billion. they received like $8 billion in applications so it is suspected to be -- expected to be oversubscribed. another tax credit is for solar, wind, battery, critical minerals. and people are attracted to that credit because there is no limit. but it is a tax credit based on

the amount of energy you produce. so company executives have to make sure they have the financing upfront to get the project off the ground to produce and get that clean energy tax credit. host: an article from the las vegas review journal, solar operation in nevada. a person calling earlier from new jersey talked about the extension of solar farms. in the solar industry in particular, what has happened based on the credits? guest: it is still early to tell how beneficial they will be. but based on conversations i have had with companies, there is a 10% bonus credit related to your materials. it is a huge incentive for companies to add to the credit you already have domestically. the treasury did release rules

on that bonus credit and they are restrictive. so there is not going to be many companies that can qualify for the added credit. host: what was behind the idea of sourcing domestically? why was that made a provision in the law? guest: for many of the materials for those products, manufacturing is with competitors like china and the east. the biden administration and democrats want to bring made fracturing back to the u.s.. but there is a transition period, it does not magically appear. it takes time so the administer agent is hoping these intent -- incentives will encourage manufacturing coming back to the u.s.. host: mike has the specific question, do companies qualify for the credit? guest: the irs has an faq

section and i would refer you to that. host: kurt on the independent line from florida. caller: good morning. i am a mechanical engineer and i design and rebuild large hvac systems for large scale buildings. the government did not need to step in to get energy efficiency. the tax credits. because the owners of these buildings are already buying the equipment that is energy efficient. it lowers the overall cost of the building lifetime ownership. and when you bring up the residential, there are company changes that have been made due to the protocol back in the 80's

and it has done a great deal of good for our ozone layer. we have already taken huge steps to improve the environment of this world. and that is never brought up, our ozone layer within another four years will have generated itself because of these measures. so we do need to take steps forward. the other point i called about was this reduction act. with all of the green energy proposals and tax breaks, it seems like it is nothing more than a tax break for the wealthy. and our democratic side of the aisle has already said they never wanted to give tax breaks to the rich. host: ok. erin slowey, your thoughts. guest: guest: guest: on the

electric vehicle tax credit, there is a threshold that you need to be below. the ultrarich would not be able to benefit from the tax credit. and i know the biden administration and the irs has already pledged that they are not going to increase the audit rates for middle america and they are focusing on wealthy americans and large corporate complex partnerships. host: bill calling from wisconsin, you are on with erin slowey. caller: i wanted to clarify a couple of things about the tax credits. you talked about leasing and that you can get a tax credit on a lease. that is because this bill is largely a made in america bill as well as an energy bill. the loophole is commercial enterprises can get a tax credit for their cars. so they can lease a car made in

japan and still get the tax credit and pass it on to you. after the last man, there is a tax credit for used electric vehicles. i think it is $2500. for people that want to buy a used vehicle, there is a limit on how much of the vehicle can cost as well. i don't number that at all. thank you. host: a couple points there. guest: i am not as familiar with the used-car plan. but in terms of the making and enforcing in america, that is the main point of the law. i think over time --host: jack on the republican line.

good morning. caller: i just wondered how with africa not selling us anymore lithium or cobalt to make batteries if that is going to affect all of this. are we going to start mining lithium and cobalt here? host: good question. any thoughts? guest: if we are talking the amount of projects that have been announced since the inflation reduction act, does not mean they are announced because of the inflation reduction act. but 40% of those projects are battery related. infrastructure is coming to the u.s., it is just a matter of how fast. host: next, in minnesota. on the independent line, go ahead. caller: i had an electric hybrid

vehicle about 10 years back. in minnesota we have problems with temperature appeared. -- up here. and they talk about the energy factor, if it is 10 below zero to try to get those going. host: was there an incentive or a rebate in the state of minnesota for buying it when you got it? caller: not at all. host: host: thanks for calling. in terms of the electric vehicle tax credit, he said you did not know about whether the one person said about used cars. but help us to find -- what does the law say about which foreign cars can be taken advantage of, can be used? which once can one purchase and

still get the credit? what is the stipulation? guest: my understanding is they need to be a trade partner with the u.s.. that is the extent of my understanding. i know over time in terms of domestic manufacturing overall, not just specific to electric vehicle tax credits, over time the restrictions will get tighter. it will only bring the requirements to mainly u.s. companies is my understanding. host: you said we won't know a lot of the dates until the filing season happens. what stories are you going to be following? guest: we are looking to see the project announcements. we know it is not necessarily in light of the inflation reduction act but as we continue to announce the years passed, we will know how much and how valuable these incentives will be for companies as they make announcements. host: erin slowey is the corporate tax reporter for

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hawaii residence to call on a separate line, (202) 748-8003. an update on politics the week ahead of campaign 2024. we are joined by the deputy politics editor for the washington post. this morning, your publication is leading without donald trump tried to undo his loss in georgia in 2020. this is washington post.com and a lot of the trial news this week is expected to be focused in fulton county, georgia. what are we hearing? guest: thanks for having me. we are expecting some news this week, fulton county d.a. has said there are expecting to bring charges to what would be his fourth indictment. a very busy week as you can tell. his legal scandals and alleged crimes are mounting. we are expecting to get that

news as early as possibly tomorrow. we will be following this very closely. this is one of the biggest possible indictments we will see in regards to the 2020 election, specifically in georgia because this has been a contentious case. prosecutors have began to collect evidence in the case, connecting allies and really enforcing that this was a top-down effort to not only tamper with the georgia voting databases but relate subvert democracy. host: the legal woes seem to boost his campaign. each indictment continues to boost his campaign fundraising. it appears he was the popular favorite at the iowa state fair over the weekend. tell us more about the problem that poses for other candidates in the field.

guest: it emphasizes the hold we are hearing not just from voters but also from republican strategists that trump has over the republican party. he is the high polling candidate and second is desantis, still significantly behind him. we have seen the way that his entrance, previously he landed in a helicopter years ago and this time you could notice his presence was there. even though he state may be a few hours at most, there were certainly operatives from florida who had endorsed him that he brought along with him who were passing out taunting media saying be more likable, ron. even the voters we talked to in iowa, a lot of them have said

they are still with trump. some quotes were he is not -- this is not how we do things in iowa. we want someone more professional. but they are still in the trump corner, feeling like he has gotten a lot done. it has been interesting to see that dynamic unfold even with the gop field. host: is he under more or less pressure to appear at the debate nine days from now, next week? guest: we will see. we are watching a kind of spectacle and we have been following trump for some time. we know he likes a show. he does like having that attention focused on him. so we will say. he has not revealed his decision and will not until we get closer to the debate, august way third. but i do think whether he will or will not be there, it will be

interesting either way. his presence will be felt. it is up to the voters to say you are attending to see what your policies would be on anything that many other -- stage with other candidates who have qualified. host: we have been talking about the one-year anniversary of the president signing the inflation reduction act. is he planning a ceremony to mark that? one of the accomplishments they would tout in the campaign of his ministration. guest: absolutely. if you have heard of biden on x -- bidenomics, they are pointing at the inflation reduction act. it also has other plans, the american rescue plan and the financial payments and stimulus

that were meant to revive our economy after the pandemic, even safety nets expanding food stamps. we will think about some of the policies that have been help, student loans, that was blocked by congress. and faced a lot of resistance -- excuse me, by the supreme court and faced opposition from republicans in congress. host: breonna taylor is deputy politics editor at the washington post. she is on twitter. thanks for joining us with the update. guest: thanks for having me. host: open forum, let's get your calls and go to michigan, mariam on the democrats line. thank you for waiting and go ahead with your comment. caller: i'm calling about the media that you had in the

discussion earlier. i have a big complaint about my local pbs station. i am in northwest michigan, lower peninsula. the station comes from cadillac, which is central michigan. but these are both rural areas, traditionally very conservative. always electing republicans locally. my complaint is that often when there is a sensitive or democrat campaign going on that is being covered on pbs, there have been blackouts or preventing information to be seen by the public with public emergency warning systems. the minute long public emergency warning system interfering at a

very informative part of the program. or some kind of white out on the station. masking. host: how often do you think that happens? caller: i first noticed it -- i moved here in 2011. for that, i was not in this conservative area. but i first noticed it with president obama, his political campaign coverage. they would white out, distort the sound or the picture when president obama was on a show. also, these public emergency warning systems would come on, which happened again last night during the pbs newshour. sorry, i think it was pbs.

the half-hour show on sunday night at six clock. host: the news hour. whatever. caller: i'm sorry, i'm a little nervous. host: have you called the station to ask them what is the deal? caller: yeah. i call the station twice in the past -- host: maybe you need to record that. thanks for calling. garden city, missouri. jamie on the republican line. caller: good morning, how are you? host: fine, thank you. caller: i want to know why nobody covered this deal dossier

-- the steel dossier. the durham report unveiled it. it is kind of a big deal. a really big deal. the student loan forgiveness, you can ask people that are paying first dust for student loans to pay for other people student loans. my daughter does not get that kind of help. i don't understand the inflation reduction act. it won't reduce inflation at all. i am 60 years old, my husband is 62 and we are struggling. we don't qualify for any aid or help. i don't understand the indictment for trump but nothing happening with biden and $20 million out of multiple companies from overseas, illegal trading. nobody covers that. the clean energy, america has the cleanest energy.

we are getting our fuel from venezuela. we have to refine it. china has the dirtiest energy if you look on the carbon map. in india. everything is just upside down. host: alex in new hampshire on the independent line. you are on open forum. caller: good morning, i am in new hampshire and undertaking a small renovation, about 20 feet by 30 feet. as i've gotten into it, i had a chuckle when i took the stealing -- ceiling down and a lot of this fell down. i had to take a picture. but when i took that looseleaf inflation and just cleaning it has been a nightmare, when i took it to my transfer station, it was about five dollars a bag.

my question for the previous guest was whether or not there was anything in the inflation reduction act for any type of transfer station. i will leave that for the audience to think about. host: there is an faq page on the irs -- the tax credits for those bills. you can check there. it is open forum, a chance for you to weigh in on news items and topics you are following. (202) 748-8001 the line for republicans, (202) 748-8000 four democrats and four independents and others, (202) 748-8002. a line for hawaii residents, we will go to honolulu next and hear from jason, good morning. caller: good morning, aloha.

i wanted to mention think you for the rest of the nation for the support. i don't know the extent to what is being distributed but we are getting help from oprah, who is a part-time maui resident. president obama just did a message. i think right now the concern is the messages going out from hawaii. we are open for business. tourism is still here. i am on oahu. honolulu where magnum pi is films, where president obama was born. we are intact. parts of maui are -- most of maui is still open. maybe the hotels might be filled

a bit right now, but you've got people, luminaries like jason momoa, are saying don't come to maui. and that is translating into don't come to hawaii. hawaii is still reeling from non-tourism from covid. so don't come to hawaii -- it is just irresponsible. fred to come from a current celebrity, he is have -- having the aquaman movie coming. it is irresponsible. we still want you to visit, we love the rest of the nation and the world. come on down. come to honolulu where everybody comes to. it is tragic. lahaina is right on the shore and the question is if what

happened to the government warning, what happened to it? hawaii, the emergency management department did test sirens every first of the month. host: thanks, that same point was made by the congresswoman who represents maui. she was on face the nation yesterday and had this to say. >> we walked through the streets of lahaina yesterday and it was heartbreaking. it was shocking, surreal. we have heard all of these words, but to walk the streets and still see fire smoldering, cars melted, puddles on the road, it has been searched for signs of casualties. we are not at a point where we can say a timeframe in terms of

one people will be allowed back into the area. but what i can tell is i feel the anger and angst, people want to go home, everyone wants to go home. there are so many of our friends and families that never left and that is what we have to remember. we are trying to make sure that every person unaccounted for, we are praying for safety, but we know that too many are in buildings. we were talking about the cadaver dogs brought on-site that are going to make the difference. yesterday when we were there, we met the dogs, the handlers. we were talking about the system and one of my aides mentioned, we are the dogs barking, she said when she turned to look at them, they were sitting in front of a building and barking. i think we know exactly what that means when a cadaver dog sits and barks toward a point. every moment, every day right now we have frontline workers doing so much to bring them home. >> the state claims to have had

one of the largest hazard warning systems out there, something like 80 sirens in the maui area. how did the system failed to warn those people to flee? >> everybody who has ever lived in hawaii knows the warning sirens. it is our first line of defense. this situation, the sirens likely did not go off. the warning signals on cell phones, we had no coverage or electricity in some areas. those warning signs tell us to look on our phones or the radio. with how fast this burn was, you can see it in the video, the wreckage. if you turn down your phone, if you even could, remember, things were out at that point. you would not know what the crisis was. might think it is a tsunami.

you would run toward land, which in this case would be fired. host: a quick update from the star advertiser in honolulu. maui families provide dna to id remains of fire victims. the death toll from the lahaina fire, the deadliest in his entry, was at 96 on sunday while families visited a newly created maui county family assistance center to document the missing and provide dna swabs to identify the dead. that and more, reporting on the scene in hawaii. ralph is in ohio, republican line. good morning. caller: good morning. ima that and -- i am a vet and i'm frustrated, i can't do anything. our department of justice is

compromised. the president is a crook. he should be impeached. he should be shot. i am so fed up. there's nothing i can do. i can call different people and complain. and the democratic system, the democrats are crooked. they are all over. they have been on president trump forever. and sometimes i feel like it is time to lock and load. host: karen in connecticut, independent line. caller: good morning. i wanted to talk about i wish that voters would read our government website pages that are secure and also if a

republican talks about a democrat, how about finding from that democrat come out of their mouth, what is really happening? having the far right, fox news and whatnot, they just bring on their own party. not the democrats are innocent of anything. we have corporate democrats that stand with the republicans and they want to privatize absolutely everything. they are putting out the socialism, communism, marxist scared. for the third time. and people are going to suffer. everything is privatized. now you have profit. how is it going to cost last -- less? and president trump paid the farmers off, billions of dollars, which kept the food prices down. it was an election year and he

wanted to look as if his plan was working and it cost americans a lot of money. not paying them off, we are still paying what it would have been coming out of the pandemic, making prices rise as well. the taxpayer is still paying either at the grocery store or with their tax money to pay off the farmers. as we take away all of our social democratic safeguards, it is going to get more and more expensive for the american taxpayer. if we privatize all schools, what do you think is going to happen? they are going to take the kids they want and have nobody to account for. all of these charter, corporation owned schools, i just can't see privatizing absolutely everything is going to cost is less. really want a teacher paid minimum wage at a private school

or do you want an intelligent teacher teaching your child? host: thanks for that. next to michael in temple, florida. democrat line. caller: i will be brief. i have a comment about wire keep hearing about tommy tuberville casting votes in florida where he lives when he is a senator in alabama. i don't hear much of that. that is it. thank you. host: you've on next, in kennesaw, georgia. publican. caller: good morning. --republican. caller: good morning. i wanted to talk about two important things. trump is not exempt from the law. he is a narcissist. and for the life of me, i can understand how one individual can have that much control over millions of people's minds.

look how many people are going to jail over his lies. come any family members are getting killed. look how many rapists -- racist riots he is started. he needs to be in jail for everything that he is done. he is a narcissist and he should never set foot in the white house again. my second saying is this. it is alright for our black children to go into the schools and learn about the white history, which is a lie, but it is not right for our black history to be taught into the schools for our children to learn when these countries were built off my ancestors backs? this is crazy. and who gave this government the right to control our bodies? i never gave my right to this government to control my body and what i do with my body. host: paris, ohio.

edward on the independent line here in open form. caller: hello. i am concerned about the republican party. those running for president in the republican party, i have never seen such a field. if you should not even be in there. it does not seem like the republican party as a whole has any indication of representing what they used to represent. justice and law and order. they supported the fbi and our intelligence people. but now it seems like they have lost their way. i would like to see a candidate like mitt romney and elizabeth

and i know she was taken out of the republican party, but liz cheney, for vice president and mitt romney for president. it would really help the republican party. or people like them. it doesn't have to be them. someone sensible and has the value of what the republican party used to be. host: thank you for your call. apiece in the washington post about the lahaina fire in hawaii and more. why have wildfires become so deadly is the headline. jennifer writes that some 59 alien homes in the lower 48 have been built within a kilometer of a past wildfire because of where we are building homes and how we are building them. you're putting people and their property at risk without thinking much about the odds or outcomes. humans start the vast majority of wildfires that threaten our homes. in hawaii, 98% of wildfires are

human caused. global warming means the scale of the wildfire problem is growing beyond our capacity to respond. under the terms of the bipartisan infrastructure law, nearly $81 million will go to reducing hazardous fuels and to sting restoration efforts. it is a worthy undertaking, she writes, and it sounds like a lot. but only 200 acres of wildland this year, a fraction of what remains untreated. she writes that as these challenges mount, it is not too soon to begin debate about a national fire insurance program and to bolster the science that provides risk maps just as the federal government ensures our farmland from erosion and our communities from floods. we need to increase access to insurance for populations that are now in the path of wildfires. open forum, we will hear from lawrence calling from maryland

on the democrat line. caller: good morning. i'm calling in regards to the woman that called about the pbs station in michigan. apparently subverting and blocking the signal of more liberal candidates. my point would be that she should contact the fcc and file a complaint. with regards to this. and perhaps if enough people from that area do this, perhaps they will look into this and investigate what is going on. if what she is saying is credible, and can be corroborated, that seems to be a violation of fcc rules. host: thanks for that, i hope she is still listening. some good guidance. randy is next in falls church, virginia. republican line. go ahead. caller: yes, i was wondering if

it was possible regarding hawaii or -- for c-span to look up how much have other countries contributed to our recovery and it is a huge disaster, every time anything happens anywhere in the world, we cut a check, no questions asked. we are $32 trillion in debt. i don't see other countries jumping to our defense and writing checks. thank you. host: headline from the new york times on aid coming to maui. maui residents say they have been left to fend for themselves. local volunteers set up supply lines for people without homes, power or food after the wildfire. sam on the line from michigan in open forum. >> good morning, c-span audience. i would like to bring everyone's attention to an interesting program i heard called the divided dial. it chronicled the rise of the am

radio and talk radio, conservative radio. what they noted was the fairness doctrine was initiated because in the second world war when the nazis were giving out all of those radios to their population, they were putting state propaganda. our government said you're going to have frequencies here, you have to have public frequencies might you have to offer left and right on your radio station. that would've been great for television as well as for all of social media because everyone goes down the hall. but reagan put the can wash on the -- stop that and the most progressive's work against it. they enjoyed the fact that there was an open forum. what is allowed is an entertainment atmosphere. a network like fox, where you can push your opinion, which could be propaganda, which can be propaganda, but there is no

contrarian opinion against it. they are very huge and they feel it is even bigger with the stations like rush limbaugh. he had 1200 stations and would go to stations and say you can have my program for free, just give me add rules. it was very economical and now we see sinclair, they have such huge areas. they are buying up newspapers and putting in the conservative opinion across the country you are losing local coverage. thank you for your attention. host: in madison, illinois, good morning. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org]-- caller: good morning. i would like to see liz cheney as president. she might straighten up this publican party. the next thing is, i have never thought about anybody throwing

over the government. i have been in the service. i have seen it in other countries. but not in this country. and the republicans and trump better wake up. this thing is going down the drain. host: you are the second when this half hour mention they would support liz cheney. why is that? caller: because she has done a terrific job on that counsel about getting rid of trump and everything he has done. just overthrowing, with the coup, that is all it is. this guy has got powers that you

would not believe. host: more from hawaii, a senator from hawaii was on state of the union on cnn yesterday. another article and comments about aid to hawaii, to maui in particular. here is what the senator said on state of the union. >> as you know, fema and other government agencies are there. my colleague is reporting from maui and he is hearing from people who are still desperate for more help from the government. people wondering where is the navy, the army? why isn't the military flooding into the region? are you satisfied that everything possible is being done to ensure that the hawaiians are getting the help they need from the government? >> i can understand why there is frustration. we are in a period of shock and loss. the agencies are there and they

are going to set up areas where people can get their drivers license, all of those things. but yes. they're going to need a lot of help. and there is a pledge. president biden called me to pledge his support. we know that recovery will be long and resources will be necessary. i've also heard from my senate colleagues. chuck schumer and others, pledging support. we take a lot of resources and the focus right now is on the recovery. there are still people unaccounted for. we need to be identified. there is a call for people to come in, to provide dna. we are still in the initial phases. but we are going to do everything we can to provide the kind of support that people will need. host: about 10 more minutes and

are open form segment. paul calling from texas. good morning. caller: good morning. i think we are going down a rabbit hole and we are wasting taxpayer money and time for lawmakers when right now they want to try to impeach president biden. we see what happens. nothing really happens. we have more stuff to worry about, inflation, national security. at the end of the day i think we are just wasting time and money going after the president and his son. nothing is going to come out of it. we know they have done wrong. but the right-wing media has brainwashed -- correction, the left-wing media has brainwashed people, where they don't understand, they don't see it. and at the end of the day, we are wasting time and money.

host: i want to circle back to a story about trust in the media, the rate of the offices of the newspaper in kansas. the marion county record. we're looking at the online version. marion record.com. illegal raids contribute to death of newspaper co-owner, stressed beyond her limits and overwhelmed by hours of shock and grief after illegal police raids on her home and the record newspaper office friday. the 98-year-old newspaper owner, otherwise in good health for her age, collapsed saturday and died in her home. she had not been able to eat after police showed up on friday with a search warrant. she watched as police not only took her computer and rotor used by an alexa smart speaker, but dug through her son's personal

bank and investment statements. electronic cords were also left in a pile on her floor. this is at marion record.com. there is also reporting on a number of other major news outlets about this raid of the newspaper offices in kansas. howard is on the line from salisbury, north carolina. a democrat. caller: this is a good topic. i will be quick with this. did you hear a white man say that biden needs to be shot? it seems like it just went over everybody's head. to me, it seems as though they want to kill something every day. but that is not what i called about. i called about artificial intelligence. it would do a composite of what christ looked like in biblical times. if you asked ai to give you a

description of what christ looked like, it was show you a black man. i know a lot of people are not going to accept that, but jesus christ was and is a black man. now they want to take all african american history out of schools. which it considers jesus christ as a black man. do white people hate black people because they're the ones who crucified christ on the cross? that is a lot of hate for black people. host: we will go to stephen in illinois, independent line. caller: hello. i just listened to the previous colors. i don't think jesus was black or white. i think he was jewish. he was a nazarene. so whatever color nazarene czar, that is what jesus was. the reason i called, has anybody -- you would think our

government would be looking at china for maybe starting the fire in maui? why not? probably the hawaiian islands are going to be the first target. china comes after taiwan. host: marcy on the independent line. >> when we are talking about news media, i look at the news from a christian perspective. in the beginning was the word, w. so the secular perspective change the definition of the word, small w. like the supreme court change the definition of marriage. we now call abortion, the killing of babies health care. equality has been replaced by equity. mutilation of bodies is now called gender affirming. if you are a christian you need to look at the news from a person -- christian perspective.

there is washington watch with tony perkins, news watch, save the nation, christian world news, stark parker, cal thomas, bob woodson. if you are christian, even in our pulpits they have changed from preaching grace, forgiveness and restoration to retribution, vengeance and social justice. if you are not a christian, not a true believer, these things are offensive to you. because you have a totally different set of rules. a christian's moral values are determined by god. a nonbeliever has exchanged the truth of god for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the creator. host: clifton, new jersey,

democrat line. caller: thank you. what happened in hawaii is so outrageous. the people there, they should get rid of all of the people. all of the people who were charged with providing water and fire services. there were so many reports issued and predicting what happens. they asked them, it is their jobs. not only should they get rid of all of them, they should get rid of all of the offices and start anew. that is what those officials quote unquote deserve. they did not do their job. host: that will do it for this morning's washington journal. we thank you for your calls and

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