>> coming up this morning, jack ewing joins us to discuss the inflation reduction act act and impact u.s. auto industry. then gabe rottman will discuss the recent police raid on a small kansas newspaper and concerns over press freedom. "washington journal" starts now. ♪ host: president biden marks the one of signing into law the

inflation reduction act and touting its climate change initiative. the president has called the issue an existential threat. this morning it get your take. do you consider climate change a major threat? if you say yes, value in at 202-748-8000. if you say no, 202-748-8001. a third line for green energy user, electric car or heat pump, etc., solar panels, your outline is 202-748-8002. you can join the conversation in text with your first name, city, and state at 202-748-8003. or on facebook.com/c-span and also on x with a post to the handle @cspanwj. good morning, everyone. as a reminder of what is in the inflation reduction act act,

clime ivileges include 10 billion in tax cdi to build electric vehicles, solar pans and wind turbines. 7500 tax credit rebate for electric vehicle purchas. when he billion dollars for loans to promote electric vehicle manufacturing and $9 billion for energy efficient home retrofits and a $20 billion to assist farmers and ranchers with climate change impacts and $30 billion for cities and states the transition utilities to clean electricity. if you are utilizing any of these provisions in the inflation reduction act act, you can dial in this morning on our green energy user line 202-748-8002. those are the lines this morning. let's lien to what the president had to say yesterday when he marked the one-year anniversary of signing the inflation reduction act into law. [video clip] >> in 2030, inflation reduction

act act is projected to increase of the power. by 2030, electric -- but just to be deployed through u.s. power grid is expected to be powered by 81% clean energy. imagine the impact on climate and the air we breathe. the world will help meet all the claimant goes by cutting climate pollution in half by 2030. between inflation reduction act and bipartisan infrastructure law we are investing more than $50 billion to build resilience in impacts on climate change. these laws support important priorities to address a historic drought on the colorado river basin. remember when i said we had

concern about colorado river going dry, y'all thought i was crazy but i was just looking down in the grand canyon and guess what? it is coming back. responding to coastal erosion, helping to reduce the effects of extreme he did by investing nearly $1.5 billion to plant trees and expend community parks and forests. there is a lot more. this law is helping families save thousands of dollars every year through tax credit and rebates to bite new and efficient electric appliances -- buy new and efficient electric appliances. it is estimated the consumer will save at least $27 billion in electric between now and 2030. [applause] host: president biden touting

provisions of the inflation reduction act. this morning we want to note do you believe climate change is a major threat. those are the phone lines this morning. he heard the president talk about how the inflation reduction act providing tax incentives for consumers. if you are one of them and have taken advantage of it, your line this morning for green energy users is 202-748-8002. before we get to your cause, axios did a piece recently, climate changes multilevel sticker shock and it is what they write, hidden cost of living in u.s. and u.s. areas particularly susceptible to extreme weather becoming increasingly more obvious and expensive. intense heat, devastating floods, and wildfires, natural disasters caused or worsened by climate change are disrupting life globally. as climate change worsens, july

hottest month on record globally. the cost of living in vulnerable regions could drive out residents. it has potential to reshape local politics, economies, and cultures. extreme weather created multiple challenges for the world's food supply. access reported which may -- axios reported which may lead to food scarcity. in florida, property insurance rates skyrocketing making locals and transplants we life in the sunshine state. in arizona, electricity bills baloney even before a stifling weeks along heat wave broke records in phoenix. in california, health-care costs piling up as research has shown wildfire smoke leads to increase emergency room visit. housing markets in u.s. have yet to fully price in these risk, leaving many properties significantly overvalued

according to one economist. asterisk begin to manifest, housing markets will adjust -- as the risk began to manifest, housing markets will adjust at a little weight on house prices -- housing markets will adjust and it will wait on house prices. kayla in pennsylvania, you answered yes, why do you think it is a major threat? kayla? caller: hi, good morning. host: we are listening, go ahead. caller: one large reason i think climate change is a major it is because of, especially vulnerable countries are the one suffering the most in my opinion human incorporation decisions to

increase fossil fuels such. an idea to help mitigate these effects is to increase the international affairs budget because less than 1% of the federal budget is spent on international aid and i was wondering if congress in general agrees with that idea and why or why not. host: all right, caleb. roger in california. tell us what you think. caller: yes, i think you have to look at the facts when you talk about global warming. for example, crop yields have increased 25% since 2000. global malaria is down 37% free people stay with global warming mosquitoes will be more dangerous, they are not. double life expectancy in 1950 was 48 years old -- life expect

to see in activity 48 years old. fossil fuels have made life and quality of life of most people outside of the united states better, not worse. these arguments are never brought up when we talk about global warming. it has become a politicized issue and it is not based in science and the facts. host: dave in new orleans. you are a green energy user. what have you purchased? caller: i purchased solar panels. the solar panels, you have roof damage, that can be an issue. i wish i had help on that. the other thing when we lose power like the hurricane, the batteries, i need batteries to my garage to power the house and that is an issue, getting batteries, and i wish somebody would work on that.

host: what was the incentive for you to do solar panels? caller: the cost savings. i've been saving about $100 per month. the solar panels for the savings is worth it. when it came out with the batteries come that was the other incentive because if we do have a major outfit, some people lose power for months during a hurricane, and those with the batteries and solar panels, they do not lose anything. host: what about tax rebates? did you get a tax rebate? caller: i did not -- back to talk to my tax person on that. i asked about that but i think -- i know what it was. i forgot the reason why. host: melissa in tennessee. you think climate change is a

major threat. caller: yeah. all you have to do is turn on the news and see what is happening in maui. hawaii is a tropical island. maui is a tropical island. in my lifetime i had never heard of forest fires happening in maui. now we have a fire that has killed hundreds of people and it is apparently caused by drought. that is a major problem. i used to be one of those people like your first caller that answered no. a political issue and all i have done is gone back and look at what is happened in the summer's from when i was a kid to now. and have it in the same place for all my life. we used to never hear people dying from heat related causes unless they were working out

like on a football team or working outside and now you have people dying in their own homes just because of the heat. you have massive flooding. . you have forest fires in california, pretty much year-round now. yes, i do believe climate change has become a major threat. host: front page of the wall street journal this morning, utility new wildfires were a threat in maui but waited years to act. during between 19 wildfire season one of the worst maui had seen, hawaii and electric included in needed to do more to prepare it -- prevent powerlines from committing sparks. started flying drones over the territory and about to take steps to protect its equipment and its customers from the threat of fire. nearly four years later, the

company has completed little such work. between 2019 and a need to invest at less than 245,000 on wildfire specific projects on the island. it did not seek state approval to raise rates to pay for broad wildfire safety improvements until 2022 and it has yet to receive it. glenn in texas, you say, now. we are talking about climate change being a major threat and looking at pictures right now the wildfire devastation in maui. host: -- caller: ok. powerlines are naked. there is no coating on the inesnd when it cl together it is what causes sparks. the biggest threat to climate change is joe biden. all the money he dedicates to the reduction act has to come from the house and they're not

going to give him any money. joe biden is the biggest threat to climate change, him and john kerry both the biggest threat to climate change. climate turns around a year to year. you check your home you will find climate change is a fraud. it is an idea to get more money for political gain. host: do you think house republicans should put up a fight over these inflation reduction climate provisions and is it worth shutting the government down over this spending? caller: well, house republicans have power of the purse and all the money joe is dedicating here is to political gain. it is not for any kind of

problems to solve climate. host: you may be interested in this story in the new york times this morning. carney rights leaders agree stopgap bill necessary to avoid shutting down the government. senator chuck schumer said wednesday that he and speaker kevin mccarthy had agreed a bill to temporarily find the government necessary to stop all possibility of an impending government shutdown on october 1 and keep government funded through early december. but, it's also acknowledgment that congress remains far from reaching -- comments also acknowledge remains far from reaching agreement on spending levels. 12 appropriation bill still needs to be passed to avoid a shut down altogether. the bills cleared the senate preparation committee last month on a bipartisan basis and one of

the smoothest processes in recent years. appearing on television as part of a planned after he left mark one year anniversary of the inflation reduction act, resident biden major climate and energy legislation, schumer caught the discussion with mr. mccarthy a good sign. -- called the discussion with mr. mccarthy a good shine. schumer and mccarthy agree they need a bill while they continue discussing spending levels and climate provisions, energy provisions in inflation reduction act. this morning at their president bidemarked one year anniversary of the bil we are asking you do you consider climate change and mor threat. let's hear from jeff in gaithersburg, maryland. hey. caller: hi. good morning. yes, climate change is such a significant threat that when it comes to pass, when your

children ask, what will you tell them when you hear children so i asked wildfire smoke feels there blue skies -- when you hear children sigh when wildfire smoke feels there blue skies, what will you tell them? when prices are obscene, or your adult children go food shopping, whatilyou tell them? when warm summer breezes deformed fetuses because of mosquito born diseases, what would y tell them? your portfolioshi from your adult children you are skimming, at will you tell them? your gas guzzling suv kills the planet elevate your psyche, children have seen you have no alarm when hearing of fossil fumes harm, what will you tell them? when asthma cases

spike, they saw you ignore the disadvantage play, that disadvantage plight, what would you tell them? all of earth's children's or sacrifice. what words to describe the parents worlds will they choose when they ask, what did you do when climate scientists give you clues? the scientists were such a bore. children's future i had the privilege to ignore. is that what you tell them? addiction to fossil fuels major deliberately obtuse. thousands of years ago, scriptures warrant and showed, do not trust me, look up first corinthians 11: 31. who among us humbly submit to judgment has?

it is not the religious, it is the scientists. the warnings they gave from fossil fuels, we must repent, but ignored science-based alternatives to avoid co2's predicament. will your children think you fell victim to disillusionment because he had nothing about their children's family carbon pollution in? they think your brains are missing because your acceptance of corporate brainwashing? they watched now adults vein, negligent activity that are explained as moral depravity. you are into humanity's future. history will be obsolete. your transgression obscuring will be complete by illuminating the lives in the future of those -- it is that your game? host: i have other colors waiting. david in texas, you say no.

not a major threat. caller: before i get cut off, and he went must have a conversation on climate change needs to read a book unsettled by steve cook, the deputy of the science department under obama. in 2013 and for years he wrote this book. he has -- i've read a lot of books about this. there's a lot of scientists pre- -- there are a lot of scientists. look at what we went through with covid. all of the true, accurate things that were shut down, as far as discussions are concerned under the guise of science.

if you read it you will find it it is the most convincing book ever on this type of topic. as part of the most incredibly complex discussion that can be had and under the different sciences that make up the climate and in that context. people call in and they confuse the weather with climate change. i may change is over -- you calculate over 30 years -- climate change as you can collate over 30 years. science changes. one of the main things he talks about is how the scientific studies which he says are generally pretty good how they are all confuse because they take all these things that have different degrees of certainty and they will combine them.

synthesizer information to put together what they think it is that with an agenda. you end up with the conclusions that are so far off but one they have a study of economic, your total economy will collapse -- you are told that the economy will collapse, you have human change, human caused climate change and natural climate change. i make changes all the time. you do not hear people talk about the warming. ready -- where you had a period where the northern hemisphere was 1.2° fahrenheit warmer than it is now. there are not a lot of cars then that warming. -- warming period because that people ate better and increase population. it was followed by a small ice

age that lasted into the 1700s. you can read about it if you read history about the civil war and revolutionary war about the days it was so cold and these things happen. as far as climate change is concerned. host: eileen in connecticut. yes, you say, eileen? caller: yes. thank you for my call. thank you for the topic and i hope that it is a very -- i know it is but i hope it continues to be a very frequent topic on the show. it is not climate change. as climate destruction. -- it is climate discretion and we are doing it. people are poisoning the air, the land, and the water and that is what contributing to it. yes, there are natural changes in the climate. i agree. but not this dramatic, not this

extreme. it is because we human beings are poisoning the planet. we are not the only life here. we are not entitled to do this. thank you very much. host: do you consider climate change a major threat? that is our discussion this morning. in other news, front page of washington times this morning about the abortion pill. court let abortion pill stay on the market but not in mail. the court ruled the abortion pill to remain on the market for the judges halted recent moves to expand access such as by the administrations plan to make it available to women through the mail. the court said too much time has elapsed to revisit the feud and drug administration certification of the pill. the three-judge panel issued an injunction blocking some of the

changes made since 2016 that relax roles on access to the pill. the court decided the agency but too many corners. from the new york times report -- to washington to post reporting on the story, they write the fda decisions to allow mifepristone to take later in pregnancy be mailed directly to patients and prescribed by a doctor were not lawful. a panel on the court decided. the drug will remain available for now under existing regulations while litigation continues. in accordance to the supreme court ruling this spring, the justice department said it will go to the supreme court to appe al the decision which only partially upheld a lower court judge's ruling in favor of antiabortion challengers. that is the latest on the abortion pill. on the house floor last month, chair of natural resources

committee criticize the inflation reduction act president biden touted yesterday on the one year anniversary of it. this is what he had to say about this legislation. [video clip] >> so-called inflation reduction act around bc is called the green new deal, put money into the economy to push their agenda that is because -- cause prices to increase and our administration's listing species they should not be listed so they can attack american energy more and drive up inflation more. america needs energy, the world needs energy, and attacking domestic energy does not mean the demand for energy is going away, it means someone else in the world will produce it and threw their great idea of the inflation reduction act to build a lot of windmills and solar

farms, they are taking american wealth and exporting it to china so we can buy those solar panels and windmills and components and also china has hoarded the world's resources of minerals and elements that go into all of this technology. we have that here in america but it is not in my backyard policy my friends across the aisle want to implement and they turn a blind eye to what goes on in the rest of the world that affects the climate and want to put all the burden on american and american taxpayers when america is leading the world in reducing greenhouse gas emissions. host: bruce westerman there with his thoughts on the inflation reduction act. this morning after president biden marked the one-year anniversary of the law, we are asking you if you consider climate change a major threat. there that if the lines yes, no, and those who have purchase alternative energy products like

electric vehicles, heat pumps, solar panels, etc. from pew research and recent post they have done about american views on climate change, this is what they cap file -- what they find. the majority of americans support prioritizing development of renewable energy sources. two thirds of u.s. adults say country should prioritize this development such as wind and solar over expanding the production of all you, coal, and natural gas. it also found the americans reluctant to phase out fossil fuels altogether but younger adults are more open to it. bill, we will go to you next in cleveland, ohio. you say no, not a major threat. caller: i am sorry. i did not state not a major threat. i possibly caught in the wrong line. put it to you this way, i am a

republican, old-school and i saw a couple senators proof there is no climate change by moving a snowball onto the senate floor and they said is it so hot outside -- if it is so hot outside, how can i make a snowball? here is what i say for those who do not believe in climate change, go outside. go outside. the leader of my party says did not believe your lying ears and lying eyes. i am an old man. i am a grandpa. why do i know it is hotter, wetter, and everything is kind of messed up? lisa talk about the big blizzards of 1978 -- we used to talk about blizzard of 1978. there is climate change. it is killing us and it is not fair to what we are going to do

to my grandkids. host: what do you think of the economic toll we read about in axios at the top of the program? houses overvalued because they're in flood zones and insurance companies are saying we are not going to ensure that, but housing prices have not caught up to that yet? caller: i was a realtor for a long time. i do believe climate change is a national security -- something very important for national security. we say stop playing politics. stop telling people what you think what they want to hear. be honest with them. did any of you raise your kids the way you talk about climate change? dig any of view denied to your kids -- did any of you denied to your kids the reality they are going to face so you can get by with an afternoon

without having to yell at your kids? yell at your kids. we can take you hurt our feelings but we cannot take a ruined world. host: from that axios article, climate change multilevel sticker shock, i do not read this part of what is happening of housing prices. the threat level, in a paper published in the journal, nature, researchers found u.s. and residential properties exposed to flood risk from 2020 two 2050 overvalued logic 21 billion and 207 billion. flooding poses a threat because some vulnerable areas becoming uninsurable. it includes swaths of florida and california insurers like state farm and allstate stopped offering new home coverage. janet in las vegas. hi. good morning to you. caller: hi.

i'm in las vegas but i am from northern california and we have had a house there and three times. we used to be able to have insurance on it, fire insurance on it, we are not allowed to have it anymore. yet to clear out further away and protect -- you have to clear out further away and protect and hope you have something to come back to the next by your pre--- for the next fire. host: you cannot get any fire insurance? caller: no, not anymore because they discontinued it. you cannot sell your house without having insurance on it because the laws have not kept up with climate change disaster in my opinion. host: what kind of debate is happening in las vegas and in the city or the county to get those laws changed? caller: no, i am talking about

northern california. i've been coming to las vegas for 30 years because i have parents here and i had to move here to take care of my father. but it is never been about as bad -- it is never been as bad as this year. i listen to the news daily and you hear over and over it is never been this hot, it is the hottest in history. we have at temperatures of 115 here. that is unheard of. they're saying it is the hottest day. host: besides clearing the brush and of the trees from the property, what else can you do? caller: nothing. you just have to evacuate. we had to evacuate twice but we had other insistence of it being very close. you just have to pray. if you leave, last time my

husband did not leave, and they stayed there, and everyone else left, but then you cannot get out to get provisions for several days. host: if your house was laws to a -- was loss to a wildfire, what would it do to you economically? host: that would be the end of it. you go back to being a renter like you were in your early 20's. host: how much equity would you lose? caller: you would lose it all. you paid on it but you would lose it all. it was just be gone -- it would just be gone. starting over, period. the laws are not keeping up with it. you cannot sell. you do not have the option to sell because by law you have to be insured to sell it. host: understood.

tony in florida. good morning to you. what have you bought that is alternative? caller: good morning. i miss your statement, your question to me. host: what if you bought that is an alternative energy product? caller: an electric vehicle, i love it. host: did you get a rebate? caller: i guess i will when i signed taxes but i also have gas guzzling truck and a car that uses -- i'm not with just one technology. i'm just trying to make the best choices for my lifestyle. i have a real problem with the claimant alarmist who were climate opportunists. i do not think this is a great threat. we should look at ways to survive it yet still i cannot

find one person, not one scientists. i heard a guy read this doleful art piece of poetry about science who can tell me if we spend $100 trillion what the temperature influence will be 25 years out, 100 years out. no one can say it but i am my great-grandchildren, -- if i impoverish my great-grandchildren and force them to live like serfs, what will that do? if american numbers -- and no applicability, no -- if it is no particular t, it is not science. people are believing what they are told like sheep. giving metrics, give me

producible outcomes and they have never predicted one outcome correctly. host: you're talking about government spending. caller: that is correct. did the recent downgrade not registered with anybody? you cannot ask any questions. does like a salesman. they come to your house and say only make you this price to date . do not answer. sign up. it is stupid. it is lunacy. host: democrats would like to continue. here is "politico", ira, inflation reduction act turns one. many democrats talking about the next climate law. just for starters, they would like to look at green jobs training program, centers for power companies to switch to clean energy and tax credit for electric transition projects and more left on the cutting room

floor went biden signed the inflation reduction act one year ago wednesday. darren in colorado springs, good morning. welcome to the conversation. caller: good morning. i love c-span did not love everybody gets to voice their opinion which -- i love c-span and i love everyone gets to voice their opinion but opinions are like belly buttons, everyone has one there is almost 100% consensus among scientists that climate change is real. yes, the earth has gone through different cycles. it can affect weather patterns but it is a scientific fact that our ocean currents have changed pre-deforestation we have done in places like the rain forces. everything is interconnected on the earth. if scientists -- i understand,

he brought it up earlier with insurance companies with not assuring sing -- not assuring people on the flood zones come there's a reason because they're listening to scientists and i encourage people to do more research. scientific journals. ever since the industrial revolution, you can see it is been an upward spike. we are changing the face of the earth. thank you. host: dennis in pennsylvania. caller: hi. what bothers me is the hypocrisy surrounding climate change and i guess one of the things that caught my eye recently was the -- i am reading this from my chatbot. i want to be sure i had the information correct.

according to the number of jets that landed at the billionaires camp in sun valley, idaho, varies depending on the source and ear, but -- source and the year, but recent billionaires camp, 40 private jets flew in the first day and 100 more expected to land. these were guys mark zuckerberg, tim cook, elon musk, bill gates, and on, all these billionaires camp and said attendees are expected to discuss topics such as politics, health care, and the economy, which i'm sure climate change -- these are the big names that accompanies in the whole promoting climate change and -- but they are flying around the world in their private jets gathering together, creating all kinds of huge carbon footprint to discuss

things like how can we tax the poor people more for the air they brief. -- breathe. i'm all for less protect the environment but i'm not for this whole the way we are approaching it through this hysteria climate change. let's learn to manage what we have been given and put money into something like that and the other think is, we can do in america -- the commitment you quoted with the video -- a congressman you quoted with the video earlier, he said basically without china and india cooperating in this, it's pretty much a lost cause. you get the whole pacific rim that is not too interested in this. pretty soon you got more than at least 3 billion people on the

planet that are not going to -- they do not care. host: i will read a text here from florida come as appealing as solar is, especially here, my reluctance is the technology is advancing so rapidly, any system installed will be outdated within one year or so. installing with a 30 year expectancy, you are strapped, contracted coming to an obsolete system. do you consider climate change a major threat? that is our conversation here this morning in our first hour. we will return to it later as well. i want to give you an update on the response and recovery efforts in hawaii. fema administrator spoke at yesterday's white house briefing on those efforts. here is what she had to say. [video clip] >> before i give an operational update, i want to take a minute to portray what i saw while i

was on the ground earlier this week. the stories of survival, the heroic accounts of response, and sense of community that i saw across the island. while i was in one of the shelters, i met with one younger boy who was getting ready to go back to school, that had lost everything and we worked with him to find close in the backpack, school supplies -- clothes and a backpack, and school supplies to be ready to go to his new facility. it is stories like these to let you know it is more than just visual impact of what we see on television. more than the current landscape. it is the level devastation from this fire and the feeling of loss from such a culturally rich community that was really probable everywhere i went. -- palable everywhere i went. in more with the nation -- as we

mourn it with the nation with them, and filled with hope as they begin to take the steps that are needed to recover. i want to commend the heroic first responders. many of whom lost their residence while they were battling the blaze and helping to support those that were fleeing to safety. it is important to remember this is still a very active and dynamic situation and are urban search and rescue teams are working closely with the state to help account for those who are still missing. given the conditions and the need for additional resources, will have at least 40 canine search teams on the island in addition to hundred search-and-rescue personnel with more on the way. we're working to search the areas while respecting the cultural sensitivities. this is a hard disaster. this is a difficult search operation. because of the conditions and

fire debris, the dogs had to navigate heat, deal with issues with their paws, walking through glass and debris, and in these conditions dogs require frequent rest, which is why we are sending in additional dogs argument operation. in addition to them, 30 specialists from the hhs teams are already in maui and will soon be joined by the specialists from the department of defense. these experts are going to be able to help identify loved ones. i want to be honest with everyone. this is also going to be a very long and hard recovery. but our federal, state, local partners working around the clock to help all of those impacted this disaster. host: the fema administrator at the white house briefing yesterday with the latest on the maui response effort. in other news this morning, new york times has a piece about

senator tim scott and his efforts in iowa, his optimism and faith chairman iowa fairgoers. they report that scott who has made heavy media investments in iowa has a pitch that draws on more common sense optimistic message and refers to his faith, not to iowa's evangelical voters. his efforts paid off tuesday as he drew a crowd when the lodges for any of the candidates who spoke with governor reynolds but still he faces an uphill battle as he seeks propel himself from a distant third place, at best. polls found he had support from 9% of likely iowa republican caucus-goers and just 3% of likely voters for public and primaries nationally. -- republican primaries nationally. you can find it on our website c-span.org. he held a town hall in the state

and talk with the brothers and later shook hands, all part of our campaign 2024 -- spoke with the voters and later shook hands all part of our campaign 2024 coverage. there are times with a piece about former president legal bills. the report former president donald trump has become entangled in web of federal and state prosecutions and faces 91 criminal charges and four separate cases. political action committee supporting him has spent more than 27 million dollars on the go cost the first six months of 23 and has recruited -- of legal costs the first six months of 2023. in the new york times, they go through how much these lawyers have charged and how much this pack and how much you donate it, how much it has paid for these

legal bills. some of the highest 5.8 million to christopher kies in the first six months of 2023. he is involved in multiple cases . $3.4 million to evan corcoran. you can read it all if you go to the new york times this morning. you will find the peace there. back to our question, do you consider climate change a major threat? becky in ohio and we have a line for green energy users. she is one of them. hi, becky. caller: good morning. host: what did you buy? what green energy product did you buy? what was your incentive? caller: i wanted to put solar up

for years. last year in april i did a lot of research. there's a lot of videos on youtube about the different panels. i went with a ground mount, 8.7 kilowatt array so that it would face exactly north or south because that is where you get the most son in the south. i would that way so i would not have to worry about -- i went with the sun tower with the micro attach with them. a 25 year warranty. 40 year life and pay for all my electric ever since. it is covered all my electric. during the day i generate enough to probably read other people electricity and in the credit me back, the electric company, so i

what i use at night, so i have no bill at all. this the best investment i ever made. host: is it already paid off? caller: i'm paying all of my equity line. it is paying for itself by me not having an electric bill so it is really pain what i pay on it -- it is really paying what i pay on it. plus, the price of a new car, then i got a 30% rebate on my taxes. host: were you motivated by climate change or were you motivated by the economics, or both? caller: both. mostly climate change. you cannot deny it is changing. 25 years ago we used to have solar fills in ohio -- greece have snow in ohio -- 25 years ago, at least to have snow in ohio. host: rachel in massachusetts,

good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for letting me on. i want to assure people who think climate change so-called alarmists are simply following some sort of woo woo religion, some of us have been studying the subject since we were children in the 1960's. i am pushing 70 now and i know not from reading one book that tells me what i am going to think now, but by reading the work of scientists since, for decades now, and looking at people like greta who is not just out of the blue, her ancestor was a nobel prize-winning climate scientists, who was looking at the impact of the very early

stages of the industrial revolution. the human impact on the climate is real. climate science is not just something we started now. we have been tracking this acceleration of the issues that are destroying the planet since the industrial era began. i will not carry on too much longer. i so want to express my sympathy and greed, for everybody, not just in hawaii, but all the places rubbish -- i want to express my grief and sympathy for everybody that have disappeared to fire, for all the extreme climate events that are displacing millions of people all over the planet in political climate of we do not care about anybody but ourselves and our biggest incentives is how do we

profit. host: let's hear from jeff in missouri. you say no. caller: yes, good morning. hearing all the climate change conversations and i was doing my own research and trying to figure out what is really going on, the only place was through the farmers journal. the biggest draws we have ever experienced was in the 20's during the dust bowl. we were getting 50,000 acres burning every year. more acres burned in 1920s the supposedly the most buyers ever in u.s. in 2019. the idea that hottest months of earth's history was last month may be true, but they do not discuss the earthquake in the

middle of the pacific ocean that is pulling up the sea and releasing hydrogen in the atmosphere. the fabricated consensus by scientists that climate change is definite has to be reevaluated because they are not taking in to consideration the amount of hydrogen release into the air by earthquake that happened underneath the oceans. host: david in san francisco. caller: good morning. by the way i was going to give you a technical think regarding your text on the bottom of the screen, your close captions, when someone says son, it comes out as son, opposed to sun, do

not know if ai will be able to get it right but the issue about -- the previous caller reminded me that in law, people that cause a problem has a vested interest in denying they have caused a problem in this case the glitters have poisoned to such a degree -- have poisoned the oceans and causing greater hurricanes, greater storms and it is causing the death of the coral in the gulf of mexico, the coral reefs, and was all of this in mind, we got to stop listening to the glitters who are demanding -- polutters are demanding the new studies and forced them to clean it up, it is standard torts law and what is one of these curious aspects of it is if a person gets badly

injured in some sort of an accident, it is to the advantage of the cause or to have them die because they've only have to pay 10% as opposed to having to pay for medical problems for the rest of their lives. in the case of poisoning the planet, there is not enough taxable money to be able to do with saving our lives but that does not meet we do not have to save our lives. we simply have to find a way to pay for it and to stop allowing polluters to control the argument, it is a major part of that. host: in washington, good morning to you. caller: good morning. hello to wherever you are at. i would like to address, i wish people would follow science.

follow all the science. people are going to follow the bible, they need to follow all of the bible. follow the science. i have three examples. the first related to hawaii. use gravity. electric pumps fail. so hawaii surrounded by a lot of water. water tanks with non-checkable, tanks or bases in the hill that are filled with water that are never emptied until there is a fire. gravity forces the pressure in pumps they need to firefighters to put out fires. second example has to do with the meltinrm the house -- permafrost that will create massive amounts of ges. what we cannot -- we cannot do a whole lot about that but the

science of people having backyard compost piles, compost piles produce methane and gases produced by permafrost of the suggestion everyone should have their all compost piles to make them feel like they're having the environment, they are not. this is following the science. host: real quick. caller: consumption strictly vegetable diets. if we have a fully vegetable diet, we have measurable ways, more greenhouse gases so we need to follow the science. host: i got to let you go. i want to share a headline in case folks are interested. the former president plunges to 35% favorable rating in dire new poll that says 53% back the

indictments. this was taken before the four indictment came out. you can read more at yahoo! news.com. bobby in taylor south carolina. you say no to the climate question here this morning. not a major threat. caller: for me it was a tough question because i do believe climate change, i'm not too short with the real threat is -- sure what the real threat is. i am thinking more of a libertarian perspective, something, and salute missing, but appreciate you give me a moment to speak. it is really amazing. i call it climate welfare. you have all of these programs,

all of these giveaways, every time it is a disaster, the president goes there and he -- helicopters and billions of dollars. people do not understand -- this is not money sitting in the bank. it is not like we have a treasury anymore. they're printing this. they are monetizing this. we do not have the money to go around rebuilding every disaster that comes through town. republicans and democrats don't have the courage to tell the people that we don't have this. they don't even understand the federal reserve printing all this money, devaluing the dollar. that's what you can't get insurance. yesterday, the mayor was talking about how she got her free water heater and all this stuff.

and she couldn't give an example how that helped the inner-city mother who is struggling to pay her bills. it's complete nonsense. host: president biden planning to visit maui and the damage there on monday. you can read more if you go to new york times.com. we will drill down a little bit on the inflation reduction act, continuing our week long look at the climate provisions in the bill one year ago, it was signed into law. we will be joined by the new york times business reporter jack ewings to examine the impact on the u.s. auto industry and the push for electric vehicles and later, a small newspaper in kansas is at the center of a first amendment fight after a newsroom raid last week by police. we will discuss what happened and why it's important with the reporters committee of freedom of the press. we will be right back.

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the auto industry. thank you very much for being with us. i want to start with president biden and talking about the green job creation, especially for the auto industry and get your thoughts on the others. >> when i say climate means jobs i mean good paying union jobs. [applause] >> a lot of clean energy products that pay good wages and use made in america parts and products. not violating any international trade agreements. it's all in the law. we are re-incentivizing companies to build products in the same committees that power our nation with fossil fuels. whether it's scranton, pennsylvania or west virginia, where ever, they have supplied the fossil fuels we need for

generations. for example, next-generation batteries are being made in an old steel mill in west virginia. solar panels are going to a close coal plant in new mexico. these incentives make clean energy jobs good paying union jobs and ensure the benefits of clean energy economy, reaching committees left behind. they are left behind when they left behind, they lost their pride and their sense of who they were they lost what was going on. to reach communities too often is the focus. we have already seen it happen, car plants building solar farms, ironworkers and operating engineers building wind projects electricians installing solar panels. an electric vehicle charges. 500,000 of those suckers. that's gonna mean a lot and it's a big deal. a clean energy economy should also be a win-win for auto companies and union workers. the big three automakers and

companies with the uaw negotiated a new agreement and i'm asking them to work together to forge this agreement and together we can make this transition to a clean energy future fair and just. that means ensuring that all the jobs continue to be good jobs that can support a family. [applause] host: jack ewing, are the auto jobs good jobs and what is the status of the industry transitioning to electric vehicles? guest: i think the big risk for electric vehicles from an economic point of view is that you need fewer parts electric vehicles and you need different parts come you don't need mufflers anymore, you need batteries. that will mean some companies will either have to adjust, go out of business that will have an effect on communities. it's really a question of where there are going to be new jobs,

and the electric vehicle industry, is not clear yet whether there will be as many jobs there are now in the auto industry. i think part of the bill, part of the aim of the inflation reduction act is to ensure that happens. i wouldn't say it's a done deal. host: he mentioned the big three there. could the landscape of where jobs are currently located for the auto industry changed? guest: it already is changing. there is a lot of new investment in electric vehicle manufacturing and battery manufacturing. it's going to southern states where there is already some auto industry but is going to be a lot more and there is some going to the traditional auto making states like michigan and ohio. it's not so much going to the south so there is a geographical shift taking place. it's not clear that all the jobs that are lost in some of those states will be replaced by new clean energy jobs.

host: is labor following the job? guest: that remains to be seen. people don't like to move but they will if they have two. you have seen that in the past when a car factory closes and people will often drive long distances to somewhere else. of course, people don't like that and it has an effect upon the community beyond just the people who work in the factory. they support lots of other jobs and there are many examples where a car factory closed and had a really devastating effect on the community. there is going to be some of that disruption. overall, it will be positive but there is going to be a lot of disruption. host: a recent headline in the new york times on a story you wrote you probably could have written that headline about our first hour this morning on the

"washington journal." what is the hesitation or concern and what are consumers saying? guest: the first wave of people that bought electric cars tended to be very conscious of the environment and they were willing to pay more for a car they perceived as being clean. now we are getting into mainstream buyers and they are much more looking at it in terms of the traditional things they look at in a car, the price, the practicality, what does it mean for me from an economic point of view. i was listening to some of the commentary earlier and i think one thing that's true in parts of the country is that they believe there's climate change taking place but they don't believe it's man-made and they don't believe there's much we can do about it. if you want them to buy an electric car, you have to make other arguments. host: economic ones, and is the inflation reduction act helping with that? guest: absolutely, there is big tax credits for cars that

qualify, you can get up to $7,500 back on the purchase price of electric cars in many states like california and vermont. it will give you more money on top of that. also, the price of electric cars is coming down because of subsidies in the act that go directly to carmakers. they are producing batteries in the united states so there is a lot in the bill that's pushing down the ultimate cost for electric vehicles which is cheaper to maintain and cheaper to fuel than a gasoline car in the first place. host: you are the president talk about electric vehicles charging stations. give us an idea if you can of all of the auto provisions in the inflation reduction act from the builder to the consumer. guest: there is a lot of money

in the ira to make chargers and in the infrastructure act from a year earlier there was also money for states to build chargers along major core doors. there is money for people who own apartment buildings to put charges in the parking lots, there is a number of provisions that encourage charging and i have to say that a lot of that is coming anyways from the private sector and the automakers who recognize that if they want to settle electric cars, they have to improve the charging network so there is a number of initiatives going on to do that independently of the inflation reduction act. host: you also wrote a story -- tell us about this. guest: there is also a lot of money available from the department of energy to put up these battery factories to do battery research, to put

components that the overall aim is to create an electric car supply chain in the united states with american workers and i think it -- from what we've seen so far, they've been pretty successful at doing that. the important point is that right now, most batteries in most components are coming from china. there is sort of a geopolitical strategic issue here. the administration does not want our car industry to be dependent on china and raw materials or components coming from china. that's deftly one of the big aims of the iras to create a supply chain that is independent from china. host: there is a separate story -- guest: yes, that's yet another issue with some provinces of

china where there is allegedly factories that use forced labor. i'm not aware of any car factory specifically for western car factories that are using forced labor but there may be components of outliers along the supply chain that are using forced labor. that's at least the allegation. that's obviously a concern as well. host: we are talking about the inflation reduction act in the u.s. auto industry. republicans, (202) 748-8001, democrats, (202) 748-8000 an independents (202) 748-8002. if you own electric vehicle, your line this morning is (202) 748-8003. the inflation reduction act in electric vehicles is our conversation with jack ewing. those who have purchased an electric vehicle recently or thinking about it and maybe

interested in this headline -- guest: explain. the text credits that are part of the ira can -- to qualify, the car has to have a certain percentage of its components in a certain percentage of thrown materials coming from the united states or raw materials from trade allies of the united states which includes mexico. the carmakers have to prove that the car they are selling meets these quotas and the quota has become more strict over time. they get stricter with each passing year but when they first passed the law, they said nobody will qualify. as it turned out, the car company has a good selection of electric cars that get the full credit or at least some of the credit. some brands are completely frozen out such as kia and

hyundai from korea because they are not making electric cars in the united states yet. those cars are automatically $7,500 more expensive than operable american made car and the foreign carmakers aren't happy about that. host: does the dealer had to disclose this? how would the consumer know this? just not by a foreign-made car? guest: you can google it and there is a list on the irs website of which cars qualify. maybe the doe website but if you google that, there is a list of which cars qualify. the other thing i should mention is if you lease a car, any car can qualify because it's a quirk in the way the law was written that the dealer can collect the credit even if it's a foreign-made car and pass that on to the customer.

that's a way to buy a kia or hyundai or bmw and still get the credit. host: stephen in marietta, georgia, republican caller, you are a first in this conversation. good morning. caller: hey, good morgan. i did have a question for you. i am at work now, i am union and i've got all my: employees. how come it seems like when you say they are moving to the south is a total dodge to get around union workers. why do you think biden did not insist that if you want these government subsidies that you need to be hiring union workers with good wages? i feel really betrayed by this because biden was supposed to be very pro-worker and as you see

in this country right now, there is worker solidarity. we are tired of this and the idea that between what's going on with the new postal trucks, how they were supposed to be built in wisconsin and they moved it to south carolina to avoid the unions, our tax dollars should not be going to scab wages where people cannot even survive on it. it's really sad to see. i'm wondering what your take on this is. guest: that's a very valid point. one thing that's important to remember is the president didn't control every condition of this bill, it was the result of a difficult compromise with senator joe manchin from west virginia. he is very conservative so i don't think anybody sees it as a perfect bill. the president probably wouldn't have liked to see more labor protections than are there. you are right that a lot of

these jobs are going to the south in states that do not have laws that are favorable to unions as other states and where the rates of unionization are much lower. i totally understand what you are saying. it's a concern but the only way to handle it is to organize and i know labor is doing that. yeah, that's really the story. host: mark and michigan, independent. caller: thank you very much. i was noting that the elderly or people on a limited income cannot get the rebate on buying electric cars. i had a 96, manual transmission. i got in the habit of driving it and setting it up and putting it in neutral and coasting.

i didn't realize my odometer quit working. i was actually turning back my odometer and i didn't know i didn't care, i was having fun. i started using motor quit, oil additive. the concept is, i was able to drive without oil for over six months. i was able to drive 200 miles without oil are actually three years. host: altoona, pennsylvania, democratic caller. caller: i am calling with a concern. i see some tunnel vision going on with going to this. i know we are trying to do -- we are worried about the weather and the environment. are we jumping the gun on not

thinking of the whole picture that everybody needs to have these electric cars. this is the kind of thing i see. what about natural disasters? we won't have the electricity and the batteries are gone and we are sitting in an accident like in pennsylvania in the middle of winter when there was snow and ice and freezing temperatures. people with electric cars had issues with heat and they were stranded there for days. this is a problem that we had to consider. we are relying on something and we are jumping into things and everybody is being forced like the electric stoves. some of this is getting out of hand. host: how do you think people are being forced into buying electric vehicles?

if they are incentivize, you see that is being forced? guest: caller: i see everybody by the year whatever, people are jumping into we got these rebates so let's hurry up and get it but they are not looking at the the natural disasters that happen and how can you keep your car going? host: we got your point. guest: gasoline cars need to be refueled as well when they run out of gas so it's a question of what's the range of electric cars and their charging network. the thing to remember about electric cars is we need more fast chargers when people do road trips for most people charge at home. you can plug in electric car into a normal electrical socket so in that sense, you have more places to refuel than you do with a gas station.

i understand these concerns and i hear them all the time. also the point about being forced, that's very widespread. there is a view that people feel this is something they don't want and it's somehow being pushed upon them by policymakers. i understand how people feel about that. i think it's just a question of people getting used to the new technology and realizing it's not really as difficult a change as many people think. people are impressed by electric cars and how smooth and fast they are. for people like the caller, i think it's a question of getting used to the new technology i think people find out it's not as dark a change as they think. host: david, republican, florida. you have to your television. dave? one more time, you've got to mute the television, you are on

air and we are waiting for you. caller: ok, all right. host:? comments? caller: my question is basically right now, i thought that i was recorded already. i'm sorry. the thing was, mr. ewing, right now, a couple of things, actually -- right now -- host: i will have to move on. we will go to washington state, democratic caller. good morning. caller: yes, i think the inflation reduction act will save the world. as janet yellen said, everything is electric now and we have to switch over to something to get away from this fuel oil and coal

and keep the co2 down. host: jack ewing? guest: there is no question that the money that's part of the inflation reduction act is speeding up the whole transition. the car companies are investing faster than they would have with the push they are getting from the inflation reduction act and we can only hope it all happens fast enough to save us from climate change. host: is there a number or estimation of how much these companies are spending? guest: i can't give you the number off the top of my head, sorry. it's hundreds of billions of dollars, it's a lot of money. host: that's what i was wondering. guest: it's hundreds of billions, it's a lot of money. host: rosemary in new jersey, independent. caller: hi, i'm calling and i'm

talking about electric company that is already going bankrupt. how much money did the taxpayers waste on that? i would like an answer for that, thank you. host: do you follow that story? guest: i don't have an answer in terms of how much money protero might have gotten from the department of energy. one thing about the money that's going to start ups, some of them will fail. that's just the way it works. the idea is that you support tend come out and two are a success and it makes up for the eight that failed. there is been at norma's number of jobs created. it offset any amount of money of companies that might have failed.

host: what did you find out? guest: first of all, i think it's hard to answer the question whether the transition is going to create more jobs it destroys. what i saw is that in some communities, is not only creating jobs but like in warren, ohio which was devastated a few years ago when general motors posed just proposed a plan and they now have a battery factory and you are seeing a really dramatic revival in that hard-hit community. i went to to alito where -- i went to toledo where they are refitting a plant to make motors for electric vehicles. that's the positive side of the story. what's hard to see now, because there is the law of gasoline cars being made, as electric cars become more commonplace,

you will see, particular suppliers, the companies that make parts that are unique to gasoline cars, some of them will go out of business. companies that make mufflers or pistons, those types of things that you don't need in electric car. i think the jury is still out. what i saw in ohio was actually quite hopeful that there can be a transition that's good for workers. ron in florida on our for republicans. good morning. question -- is there any provision -- the automobiles will be sold in north dakota, north main and in vermont. is there a provision to heat the batteries at night while you are charging them? guest: yes, i think most electric cars have a feature where you can schedule when you will leave in the morning and it

will heat up the battery before you leave. that's a pretty standard thing now. you raise a good point which is different climates and the batteries lose range. that's something no one has completely thought out. host: south dakota, a republican, welcome to the conversation. caller: i was calling you, you are not addressing electrical generation. this electricity has to be generated. we are closing power plants, nuclear power plants go by the wayside. how are we going to have all this electricity generated? guest: that's a normal question. what i hear from utilities as they are not too worried about it. it's not as much electricity as you might think. one thing to remember about electric cars is they use less energy than a gasoline car. a gasoline car, about2/3 of the

energy in a gasoline car is wasted in heat, exhaust or whatever. electric cars uses almost all the electricity you put into it and it goes into the forward motion of the car so it's much more energy-efficient than a gasoline car. the places where you have a lot of electric cars like in norway, they are almost all new cars and they are electric. they haven't had any problems. they had a put in new transformers and made some adjustments but it wasn't as much of an addition to the total load is you might think. it's true there will need to be some -- improvement to the grid. locally, you may need to put in transformers here or there but utilities i talked to were not worried about this. host: elon musk recently said that the u.s. electricity demand will triple by around 2045. the wall street journal wonders -- is he right? guest: i don't think he's talking about just electric cars. i think he's talking about the

whole electrification of the economy. usually what i've heard elon musk say is that we can generate all the electricity we need from the sun on a small amount of real estate in comparison to the amount of real estate we have. i cannot really address that directly but i can just say from what i've heard from utilities, they are not worried about this. host: robert, cape coral, florida owns electric vehicle. caller: yes, good morning. i have an electric vehicle and i've owned it for about 15 months. i have 25,000 miles on it. i manufactured 17,000 kilowatt hours per year from free sunlight. it has given me zero problems. it is easy and fun to drive and it has a 300 mile range. i never go that far because i usually stop and get out and walk around.

there is over 4 million teslas on the road already. they are basically computers on wheels. host: jack ewing? guest: this is what you hear from people who have electric cars. they are very happy with them. at the new york times, a few months ago, we asked people to share their views of electric vehicle owner vehicles and we got thousands of responses and overwhelmingly, people were very happy with the products. they love them. i think the other point the men made was that he is generating his own electricity with solar and that's also become very common. there are companies that are selling them as a package where you by electric cars and you get solar on your roof or in your yard. yeah, that's also in answer to the grid question.

many people are generating all the power they need for their car. host: charlotte, north carolina, independent. caller: yes, i would like to just say that the united states of america has always given the people a choice in owning their own vehicles or their guests toes or anything and i think is ridiculous, this green energy deal that all the world is not on board with it, why are we the only people? china and russia and india are not creating a green climate. they are using their fossil fuels and everything. i just don't see -- i have a major investment in keeping my old gasoline cars that run when the electricity is out. i can charge my phone and stay warm. electric cars do not do this.

people on fixed incomes cannot afford electric cars. guest: the lady makes a couple of important points. regarding china and the rest of the world, the united states is actually behind. in china, 1/3 of cars produced are electric and they are producing solar panels. we are playing catch up in the green energy. the other thing about blackouts, one thing people don't realize is that the electric cars can actually provide backup in your house ring a blackout which a gas powered car cannot do. gm said a couple of days ago that every car they make in the future is going to have that capability. actually, electric cars can contribute to green stability rather than being a burden. as far as being forced, i think

the question came up before. we are talking incentives. the ira is a caret build, not a stick built. its regulations giving companies financial incentives to produce electric cars or go solar and adopt green technology. host: we will hear from don in des moines, iowa, democratic caller. caller: yes, jack, i appreciate what you're trying to do but is just another chinese take over. i'm sorry you are part of it. host: in what way? caller: what is china doing now? what are the bidens doing? i'm sorry that's the way it is. host: bob in panama city, florida, republican. caller: yes, i have a couple of

questions. first of all, what do batteries cost to replace? where is the material come from to make the batteries? why don't we let mining for this test these materials and why don't we go nuclear? thank you. guest: the raw materials, that's a big part of the ira. and what it's addressing the gentleman raises some important points. lots of the raw materials like refined graphite which you need for batteries, those are coming from china. with the bill is trying to do is create a supply chain that's independent from china. the man mentioned why don't we mind these things in the united states and people are trying to do that. part of the problem is that there is a permitting process in the united states which is probably too slow and they are trying to speed that up.

there are efforts underway to mind lithium in the united states or get it from our allies , countries we have friendly relations with that are not in china. the important point is it's not just the minds, it's also the refineries which are also right now mostly in china. the bill has a lot of money to build those things in the united states which will create jobs. host: you share a byline on this story? where are these materials in the united states? guest: there is lithium in california and there is lithium in north carolina. it's not actually rare. it's all over the place but you have to build the mines and build the refineries. that's going on but it takes time.

a mind is not something you get into production in a couple of months, it takes years. there's also lithium in canada and québec is a lot of lithium so it's just a question of getting it out of the ground and refining it. that's something we know how to do but it will take time. host: bread in springfield, illinois, independent. caller: hi, jack. following up on the mining thing, we are supposed to be saving the environment but we are stripmining all these materials from the ground. it's going to hurt the future of our children. i feel that we use our military and send them off to other countries to remove the resources and leave destruction behind. i am 45 and all i've ever seen in my lifetime is conflict after

conflict. host: let's take the first part of your statement. this mining process in efforts to go electric and for climate change, what is the mining process doing to the environment? guest: first of all, a lithium mind is pretty small. i've been to them and if you compare it to a gold they are not huge. it's true that to make an electric car it creates more greenhouse gases than a gas driven car. you quickly make up that difference because once the electric cars on the road, is not using fossil fuels. on the point about military conflict, there has been former military conflict involving oil then any kind of battery minerals. that's one of the big benefits of electric vehicles is that if you look at the history of the oil industry, all the wars we

fought so often, energy oil has been part of it. we have a chance to illuminate that. host: rick is in altoona, pennsylvania, democrats. caller: i'm wondering what will happen, where do these batteries go after they wear out? that lady on that call, they can't buy $50,000 car. some people look for a $5,000 car which is a hard thing to find out just to make it back and forth to work. there are other ways to get fuel. did you ever hear from getting killed from hemp oil? what comes out of a gas car is carbon dioxide to [speaking foreign language] so why are we looking at this stuff instead of electric? also, you said it won't affect

jobs that much. how about the auto parts stores and the employees that work there? host: i'm going to have jack ewing jump in, go ahead. guest: a couple of points there -- on the hemp oil, i think there was attempts to have biofuel as the answer to the greenhouse gas issue. the problem with them is it's just too expensive. one reason people talk about electric vehicles is it has become clear that's the least expensive option. but the man made a point that they are too expensive for most people and that's true. the average cost is around $50,000 and it has come down a lot in the last year and it will continue to come down. i understand that these cars are too expensive for most people.

part of what the inflation reduction act tries to do is make it more affordable. on recycling, on what happens to a battery at the end of his life, a lot of them can be reused as storage, maybe not be powerful enough to drive a car but still be used for energy storage or they can be recycled. that's already happening. you can really recover almost all of the material from a used battery and use it again and that brings us back to the mining issue because at some point, we will have enough batteries to recycle we don't need to do that much mining because you can get the lithium and the cobalt in the graphite out of the battery and use it again. host: charles in millville, new jersey, independent. caller: yes, you mentioned about the military. most of the fighting in other countries and what they can provide for us.

in the same token, that will not change anything. also, it was already brought up about the cost of these batteries. in the meantime, china is burning coal like crazy and what are we doing about that? guest: on the cost, batteries are getting better. we are not really mass-producing electric vehicles, they are still fairly in each product and when you make them by the millions, the price comes down just from economies of scale. in terms of conflict, the thing about battery materials is if you look at oil, there are's fairly small countries that have a lot of oil. if you look at what goes into a battery, that's very widely distributed. i don't think you will have anybody like saudi arabia having

lithium or graphite more than others. these are materials you can find pretty much anywhere. it's just a question of establishing the minds and the refineries. host: one last question here, indiana, republican. caller: yes, host: we are listening. caller: ok, these electric cars, if you want to go on a long trip, it will take you twice the time an electric car is a gas car and there's a better alternative out there. in the 1960's, chrysler developed a turbine engine made up of combustible material. host: we will take your issue of time for a long trip. guest: it doesn't take twice as long. it takes a little bit longer and you have to stop to charge. i've done many road trips and driven out to ohio and west virginia.

i'm about to drive to west virginia and it's a different way of traveling and you have to build in the traveling time -- the charging time. you learn how to schedule that when you want to take a break. it doesn't make a huge difference, adenauer or two-tier trip in the batteries are getting better in the charging times are going down. i think most people who have an electric car realize it's a big inconvenience plus modes of the time, you are charging at home so you never have to go to a gas station. and that's very convenient host: jack ewing, you can follow his reporting at nytimes.com. thank you for your time this morning. later in our last hour of today's "washington journal," we will talk about how a small town kansas newspaper found itself at the epicenter of a major first amendment fight. that conversation with gabe rotman of the reporters committee for freedom of the press.

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>> "washington journal" continues. host: do you consider climate change a major threat? that is our conversation this morning as we continue for about the next 25 minutes or so. if you say yes, the phone number is (202) 748-8000 if you say no, (202) 748-8001 and a third line this morning for green energy users, if you bought an electric vehicle or installed solar panels or heat pumps, and you take advantage of those inflation reduction act provisions, we would hear from you at (202) 748-8002. steve in oak ridge, tennessee, you say yes to this question. hi there. caller: thank you for taking my call. i say yes. i started doing signs when i was

eight years old and i'm 74 years old. in 1985, i got interested in climate change because i started to see things change in north carolina. talking about this is been the hottest year of the past 100? what if it's the coolest year of the next 100? carl sagan said years ago that we live in a highly scientific and technological society were very few people understand the science of technology. that's kind of where we are today with climate change. climate is always warming, the major cooling periods like the ice ages were triggered by massive volcanic events. the fact is, you ain't seen nothing yet. thank you so much. host: clifton, new jersey, green energy user.

caller: good morning. host: what did you buy? caller: can you hear me? host: yes, we can. caller: my question is typically, with wind power and the solar power coming on, how do we see charging electric vehicles with wind power and solar power? host: michael in california says no. height, michael. caller: yes, hello? host: we are listening, go ahead. caller: thanks for taking my call. the problem i have is there when it hovered us -- they are way ahead of us in china. it will happen someday but not

my lifetime and not my grandchildren's lifetime. but as a real threat, it's outrageous. we have the greatest scientists in the world and we are in too big a hurry. it goes for medical as well. thanks for taking my call. i've received -- every search you in your kids, i love you. host: you can also join us this morning in this conversation if you go to facebook.com/c-span and you can send a text to (202) 748-8003 and post on x. anthony in sierra vista,

arizona, come running to you. -- good morning to you. you say climate change is a major threat? caller: my apologies, i called past 30 days and i've been working on 45. the reason i say yes and i would actually take it to existential like the sum of all fears. let's let cooler heads prevail. when we get in our cars and it's hot and we turn on the air conditioning and all of a sudden, we're wondering why the air conditioning doesn't seem to work. guess what? the material in the vehicle is hot. and it's going to take a while for that vehicle to cool down. ac will cool it too fast, you will buy a lot of air-conditioners.

let's look at it from a basic perspective -- do you believe in getting sunburned? when we have these he changes like we've had in arizona, governor hobbs just recently declared a heat emergency. you think about it, it's only hot for one day but when it's over a sustainedperiod of days, your body has a psychological effect. i put in triple pane windows in my house 20 years ago. this month, i finally got a bill over $340. in the winter time, i barely turn my heat on. i will let you ask me any questions. host: i was wondering about the heat situation in arizona. electricity bills were ballooning even before a weeks

long heat wave broke records in phoenix. that is from axios that we read in our first hour this morning. host: the amazing thing about it -- let's just look at the highways we drive on. do you know that the heat is affecting the asphalt? you start looking at the lanes you are driving down now, you are going to see a lot of patches. then you start looking at the city like phoenix where they have concrete highways. they will start buckling over time. we've got to understand that when i say existential, if we let cooler heads prevail, we don't lose if we start saying that if i had to deal with the sciences who have thought this can save me if my body is

suddenly stopping because it's in a cold environment or i'm submerged in cold water. i can be resuscitated. universities have done studies. host: i don't want to go too far down that road. we've got other callers waiting. anthony called it an extension threat, that's the word used by president biden recently as well. yesterday at the white house, the president marked the one-year anniversary of the inflation reduction act. it's one year since he signed it into law. he was touting the provisions in the bill that deal with climate. there they are to remind you --

if you or your city or using any of these provisions, we want to hear from you. let's hear from the present yesterday on the inflation reduction act. >> in 2030, the inflation reduction act are projecting to help triple wind power increase solar power by eightfold. by 2030, electrically -- electricity deployed through the u.s. power grid is expected to be powered by 81% clean energy. 81% clean energy. [applause] >> imagine the impact on climate and how we breathe. we can cut carbon pollution in half by 2030, in half by 2030.

[applause] between the inflation reduction act in the by partisan law, we are investing more than $50 billion to build up resilience and the impact on climate change. these laws support important priorities from addressing historic drought along the colorado river basin. we had a concern about the colorado river going dry. guess what, i was just out there and looking down at the grand canyon and it's coming back. responding to coastal erosion, the sea level rise in the gulf of mexico to reduce the exchange of extreme heat by investing $1.5 billion to plant trees and expand community parks. there is a lot more and you've heard a lot today and i will not go into it all. this law is helping families save thousands of dollars every year.

there is a tax credit on rebates to buy new electric appliances and weatherize their home and install heat pumps, rooftop solar. the consequence of this is its estimate of the consumer will save at least $27 billion of electric bills between now and 2030. [applause] host: president biden of the white house yesterday, talking about climate change and we are too this morning. do you see it as a major threat? susan in massachusetts. what do you say? caller: good morning, greta. i certainly do think it is existential. and i am a big supporter of emerging technologies and the embrace of electric car vehicles but i wanted to mention that i am aware that as we transition from fossil fuels, thousands of

oil wells and other wells are abandoned and they leaked out massive amounts of methane gas which i've heard scientists in legitimate media sources, not on the internet, talk about how that negates the transition we are going through globally but it is very expensive, and in the united states, state and federal governments will not force these companies to cap the abandoned wells. secondly, i do believe we have to gear up majorly for public education technical college system to prepare the future generations of mechanics that are computer literate, math literate, and able to repair these vehicles, because you know -- thirdly, we have to prepare for this major disruption that

will happen in traditional auto parts, auto repair businesses, a lot of people will lose their jobs and we have to be prepared to help these people transition. host: you agree with the president making these investments with taxpayer dollars? caller: i do because you need incentives for industry because industry by its nature, because of the strong profit motive, especially with extreme salaries at the leadership levels, you need government involvement. you can't get us to a level where we will start being on parity with the rest of the world. right now we are lagging terribly behind europe, china, and even south america, and we have not even embraced thermal here. host: i will leave it there. this is how some republicans responded to the president yesterday, energy and commerce -- republicans on energy and

commerce committee tweeting out the president is saying the quiet part out loud, the so-called inflation reduction act was never about reducing inflation, it is a massive down payment on the green new deal. then you also have republicans on the house agriculture committee, the so-called inflation reduction act did nothing to address the inflation costs by biden policies and instead this was green new deal priorities, raise taxes and expanded the size of the federal government. donald in kalamazoo, michigan, donald, do you consider climate change a major threat? caller: i do not. host: why not? caller: the major threat is overpopulation. i own 1000 acres personally around kalamazoo that used to be farm ground. it is now covered with buildings. where do you think that water is going to have to go? it goes down the sewers and gets there in a hurry.

a lot of places, that is all there is, there are too many people. you can say it is not true. we talk about the cow flagellation or whatever they call it. there are 500 times more cows than they used to be. no wonder there is more cow parts -- farts than it used to be, it is that way with anything. how much pollution do you think all the immigrants brought over with them? more than we can possibly save. host: richard in arizona. caller: good morning. i'm one of these guys that says all of the above. we need energy to run this country and everything else. my question is i do not believe they have enacted any taxes to

replace our highway taxes that are paid through biden. i have family that is invested in solar on their homes. i have a daughter on her second camry hybrid which i consider a very viable and where the investment she made and everything. she loves it, so i love it. every month on my electric bill i have a charge that is not much, renewable energy surcharge . so i guess i am paying for this stuff which is fine, it is a small amount of money. i personally have checked around my house and i pursley don't use a lot of electricity but i was, my heat -- i don't work anymore

so i don't get a tax credit to buy a car or any of this stuff. what about the highway taxes? when is that rooster going to come home to roost, whatever. host: cliff in pennsylvania, hi, cliff. cliff, good morning in pennsylvania. you say no to this question. one last call for cliff. tony from crownpoint, indiana. tony bought an alternative energy product recently? caller: yes i have. host: what did you buy? caller: [indiscernible] host: what was your motivation. we have had the climate for the past i would say 20 to 25 years. as you remember, back in the

1990's, el niño was being talked about, that was the time when this transitional revolution, whatever you want to call it, was supposed to start and here we are 25 years later, the biggest polluters in the world such as china, the united states , the european union, russia, they have too many conflict of interest. amongst each other. if you are not on the same page, existential threats to humanity. and other countries. for example india. there is any interesting article that talks about maybe india taking a major leadership role in this battle for climate change and becoming a leader eventually and leaving --

leading the way but they will need to help with china, the united states, because these countries have the financial resources and technology to have a country such as india tech this -- tackle this major issue. having a population of 1.4 billion people, they are a major polluter. smaller countries have to be involved from south america, africa, that is part of the world. unfortunately, humanity, because of conflict of interests, for example this ukraine conflict we have right now, are not on the same page. host: loretto, huntersville, north carolina. what do you say? caller: good morning and yes, it is definitely a major threat. i just want to say that i have noticed that, within the last

maybe couple years or so, when the heat gets really high and the atmosphere rains to cool it off, i've noticed recently that the weather feels -- the sky, it is like it is screaming, like it is in pain when it starts thundering and preparing terrain from the heat. it is like the sound is changed. it is like it will groan and grumble and it is like it cannot get out what it wants to say but it sounds like it is in such

distress and pain as it tries to get the rain out. it scares me because it is a different sound from what it used to be. host: all right, paul is an to become a florida and paul says no. climate change, not a major threat. hi, paul. caller: how are you doing? do i have about an hour to ask plane everything? [laughter] just kidding. host: no you do not. [laughter] caller: has anyone done the math on the hottest day ever? i subtracted the hottest day before from the hottest day ever, .26 degrees hotter. that is how much hotter was and a demagogue the whole issue. i don't know if you caught up on this story, this judith curry that came out, the climate scientist, that says you are rewarded if you are an alarmist,

climatologist. she started questioning things and then was shunned but the story came out and you guys should talk about it. she is judith curry and she said she was part of the alarmist group and now she realized they had a lot of data facts wrong. let me give you couple more quick facts. we have hundreds of years to fix this if it is carbon and human. carbon stays in the atmosphere like for 500 years and the fall so it is with the administration, they are trying -- people believe if we just switch to electric cars, carbon will stop and temperatures will drop in like 10 years. this thing takes hundreds and hundreds of years. the other thing is antarctica did not exist 13 million years ago. at one time carbon in the atmosphere was 1000 parts per million and we did not have

runaway heating. right now it is 420. host: i have phil waiting in jacksonville, florida. green energy user. caller: yes, good money. first i would like to introduce the term called self extinction. i think we are on that path, it would be a sadness if the human race completed it. i think the major problem is that bidens plans were not good enough in that we needed to have several manhattan projects to find ways to suck the stuff out of the air and water. one reason why they are kicking toward electric vehicles is because they emit no heat. if you stand behind any combustion car, the tailpipe, you will find it extremely hot or over the edge the heat. that does not escape the atmosphere. it builds up. that is really the major part of the problem.

i agree anything we can do to get it down the better but the manhattan projects i think are our salvation. host: aaron in alexandria, virginia. erin? caller: hi. just wanted to call, this is weird calling on the 8001 line for the democrats but i wanted to say no because i don't think the climate change is a major threat. i think it is the impact of what the major threat is as we all experience the wildfires, canada affecting our air quality, and also since we are consumers, we buy a lot of stuff from countries that don't necessarily have the same policies we do. it is inherent on us to change our practice and i don't believe it is a major threat. we are experiencing the impact of the thing we have been doing for the last 50 to 60 years, buying everything from china. you can't go into a retail store without seeing everything made in china. china is a major polluter.

until we decide to change our practices and policies and change how we live and whatever -- wherever we get our good from -- goods from and farming practices, it will get hotter, elderly people were suffer, the most vulnerable will suffer and it lines other people's pockets. there is a benefit for this happening so that is my point and have a good day. host: tad in hawaii, where are you located? >> i'm on the big island about 140 miles south of lahaina that just burned. host: and what is it like where you live? caller: i am really lucky i'm far enough away that here it is hot, i had a lot of friends there washington state and i've been here 40 years in hawaii and where i live it is staying 68 to 78. i tell my friends i don't ever see 80 or 90 so i am lucky in

that sense, but in terms of climate change, 50 years ago i got out of the air force and came to hawaii and i started a solar business because i thought climate change, solar, good fit. there is something called a tipping point. i hear a lot of your callers calling in and they are radically for or against. there is something called a tipping point, and it is not that many degrees to hit that tipping point. it is like on the edge of the cliff. if it hits the tipping point, it will go over if that makes any sense to you. anyway, i think that is what we're talking about here, we are at a tipping point and it does not take much to make us go over the edge. host: beth in new mexico. beth, your turn. caller: hi, yes. my name is beth and i am from new mexico. thank you for taking my call. i installed two heat pumps in my

house which i'm very happy with but i wanted to say what i believe is causing the problem here. according to the united states methodist church justice website, they said at the time of jesus, world population was 300 million. 1950, when i was born, it was 2.5 billion, and now it is 8 billion. the world has some any people in it and we all need to use energy. i just believe that the major contributing factor -- host: we heard that point. we will take a break and we come back, a small newspaper in kansas is at the center of a first amendment fight after a

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newsroom search is the most intrusive, investigative step law enforcement can take with respect to the press. it does two things, it shuts down reporting entirely. in this case there was huge support for the paper and they were able to continue operations but without that they would have been dead in the water. i think that sends a message to others who may have information in the public interest may want to tell that information to journalists either that or other media in kansas and they will be chilled from doing that. we are still trying to figure out why this happened but what we know for sure is it should not have happened. host: but a local judge issued an affidavit to warn -- for a warrant to authorize the police to see the newspapers files. guest: right. put it this way, on a federal level, these things are so sensitive the attorney general

must personally sign off on any search of the premises of a news entity. there was a magistrate judge who had probable cause affidavit and issued a warrant. though one point on this is that the county attorney afterwards determined yesterday that there was not a legally sufficient access between the crimes investigated and both where was searched and items seized as part of the search. another words, the search should not have happened. host: according to the most recent headline from the marion county records, equipment returned. their computers, their cell phones, returned to them after they say this county attorney general issued this statement. what happens now? guest: a couple things, the attorney representing the paper, bernie rhodes, in kansas city,

said he has commissioned a forensic search of the items returned to ensure they have not been accessed by police and if they had been accessed, that could compromise not just reporting on the story that may have led to the incident but other stories more broadly. there is also i would say the legal show is not necessarily over depending what they decide to do. host: the reporters committee authored a letter, a long with 30 other media organizations, to condemn the raid. in the letter you write the search warrant directed at the marion county records was significantly overbroad, improperly intrusive, and possibly in violation of federal law. what laws? guest: there are couple. the main one is the privacy protection act of 1980. it is significantly limiting the ability of law enforcement at all levels, state, including

state and local, to execute search warrant's have places where journalism is taking place. with respect to what is called work products, which you can think of as draft articles or anything that has the impression of a, that is pretty much unless the report or news organization is suspected of a crime or there is significant threat to human life or safety. then there is documentary material which is pretty much everything else. so raw footage, documents you receive from the source, and all of that you have to get a subpoena first so a subpoena-first rule which does two crucial things, one the news organization has an opportunity to potentially negotiate the scope of the subpoena if it thinks i can do it in some way without compromising its newsgathering activity, or if the subpoena is overbroad or otherwise improper can go to court and try it.

the subpoena first rule for document or material highlights the intent of the law to push law enforcement to the least intrusive means of investigating criminal activity that may implicate newsgathering and journalists. host: this is a statement from the marion police department they write this, a federal privacy protection act requires criminal invesrs tget a subpoena instead of search warrant when seeking work product material and documentary materials from the precept in circumstances including when there is reason to believe th underlying wrongdoing.rt in th marion kansas police department believes it is the fundamental duty of the police to ensure the safety, security, and well-beinll mbers of the public. the commitment musin steadfast and unbiased and unaffected by policee mea influences to uphold the principle of justice, equal

protection in the law for everyone in the community. the victim asks we do all of the law allows to ensure justice is served. they point to that exception. when there is reason to believe the journalist is taking part in the underlying wrongdoing. the police suspected a journalist had conducted an unlawful search of a woman driving record. guest: so they cited in the search warrant two state laws. identity theft and computer intrusion. the facts as we know them and other facts could come out, where that the paper received document, that document, they review the document from a source and they verify information in the document on a publicly available state website . instead of publishing the information because of concern about prerogatives or motivation

of the source providing a, they went to the police. days later, you end up with a search. i would say we acknowledged in a letter over the weekend the chief acknowledgment that the ppa's meant to protect her and the lists. what i would say is regardless of the legal theory they had when they executed the search warrant and regardless of the fact they may have had in their hands at the time they applied for the search warrant, it still should never have happened. these instances are rare. i cannot think of a newsgroup search that is as intrusive and broad as this one where they carted off the papers, computers, cell phones, documentary material. were it not for the fact lots of people in this country realized this is a real problem and threat to a free press and they pitched in to make sure the

paper could put out its position this week. host: i want to invite our viewers to join us in this conversation about press freedom at large. republicans, dial in at (202) 748-8001. democrats, (202) 748-8000. and independents, (202) 748-8002 . if you are a member of the press, we have a line for you this morning, (202) 748-8003. all of you can text us at the same line, the 8003 number, just include your city and state to join us in this conversation. there's also the investigations the newspaper was doing that had not reported on it but they were doing an investigation into the police chief himself. new to the position, had come to that area, and they were not investigating a possible sexual misconduct by this police chief in the past but they had not reported on it. what is the marion record saying

about their investigation and do they believe it is related to this raid on their newsroom? guest: they have talked about the fact they received tips that they were looking into them and they have expressed concern that -- again, why these things are so dangerous. they expressed concern the search warrant was executed awesomely to obtain unpublished material about that investigation. again, this is why newsroom searches are so rare and so intrusive because they sweep up not only potential evidence a crime being investigated but other newsgathering material that could compromise the outlets confidential sources, and give law enforcement visibility into what the newspaper is covering including what they are covering about law enforcement. host: how does this relate to the overall discussion of press

freedom in the united states? according to recent rankings, the u.s. fell, ranked 25 out of 180 countries falling three places from 2022. what is happening overall with press freedom? guest: i would say with respect to this particular incident, it is tragic and i can't state enough, should not have happened. but i think there is a silver lining and that is the whole country has its eyes on a small town in kansas where this press freedom drama is playing out and it is national news and a national scandal. the police chief and county attorney have acknowledged the search warrant was improper, the material will be returned, the right thing is happening with respect to that, and i think it is a lesson for all of us about how much local news really matters. and how incidents like this can

be corrosive to our basic freedoms in america. host: let's listen to bill in new york, democratic caller. hi, bill. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i'm calling to point up another attack on a small newspaper. are you familiar with the wausau pilot and review and what they are going through? guest: in wisconsin? yeah. caller: could you address that and talk about it. it is another attack, a government institution, to try to shut down small town newspaper. our local newspapers are so important, they really are. i live in queens, and no one paid attention to a small town newspaper and we now have george santos. guest: absolutely. there is a simple issue actually in that case which is we really need strong, robust slap laws,

strategic litigation and public participation, effectively meaning a lawsuit brought not to recover damages but tried to intimidate a speaker from speaking. in that case, the effectively what is happening is there was a slapp soup brought against the -- suit brought against the newspaper and because of the litigation burden. two things there. one, slapp laws are important and bring news to the public and it also highlights the financial challenges facing local news around the country. host: brenda, south carolina, democratic caller. caller: i have a quick question in regards to the judge who signed the search warrant. i know a small town, especially in the south, a lot of the

small-town judges are like if a judge dies the wife gets the decision. some of these judges are not decreed lawyers, so i would like him to find out was the judge and employer in the judicial realm of life before, and small-town judges, the police comes in and says i have search warrants, they will just sign it. host: thanks, brenda. we will take that question. guest: thanks. so it is -- i have no reason to believe the judge was not appropriately a judge. what i would say -- and i will go back to a point i mentioned earlier -- at a federal level, these matters are so important and considered so sensitive by law enforcement themselves that the attorney general has to personally approve the search of

the premises of these news entities. so you have checks over and above the ability to go to a judge and swear out a possible cause affidavit and get a search warrant. you have to get the attorney general involved. and that highlights again that it should not happen in the first place. host: what happens next? will there be a lawsuit from the newspaper? guest: i don't know personally. there are legal avenues available and we are waiting to see what happens on that score. host: here is one of our viewers on x, is there a legal definition for the journalist or press? a lot of people out there pretend to be journalists. guest: so this is the eternal question. the best definition of journalism, particularly of talking about in legislation or

in the court, has to make some determination along those lines are functional. they focus on the acts performed , not one's employment status and we have argued as a constitutional matter, the first memo protects those acts, it does not protect a class of professionals. host: here's another viewer on x, house republican jake laturner may be involved in this raid by the powers in marion county, kansas. what is understood about that? guest: from everything i've seen, the representative was not involved in the search or investigation at all. there was apparently the whole thing was catalyzed by an event that the complaint in's and the case had at her coffee shop featuring the representative where members of the marion -- the journalist and publisher of

the marion county record were asked to leave by the police chief. that was the initial part that led to the series of events. host: sharon in pittsburg, kansas. democratic caller. caller: i would like to make a few opinions. one of them is i am represented in congress by jacob lew turner and i have to say he does not represent people in kansas. i used to live adjacent to marion county and there are a lot of good people in marion county. i would also like to point out that in relation to lawyers that may not be qualified, our attorney general is kris kobach and he has been sent back to get some kind of remedial education for court behavior and how to handle himself in court. host: from the wall street journal's reporting, i want to

talk about what prompted this search and seizure because that is one of the questions from a viewer on twitter. the case of mary began august 1 when a local restaurant tour asked myer, a record reporter, to leave a public meeting greet with jake laturner held at one of her establishes. they reached out suggesting he had been driving without a license after an impaired driving conviction 15 years ago. the leader share through facebook messenger a copy of a letter addressed to newell from the kansas department of revenue that outlined how newell could get her drivers license back. the record reporter used the data birth and driver's license but the reporter's own name to find a document on the state website to verify authenticity. the paper decided not to publish an article in part because the source is connected with

newell's husband, with whom she is engaged with divorce proceedings. marty, democratic caller. hi, marty. caller: hello. i'm wondering if this is the paper owned by the older lady that essentially they are saying she died of a heart attack because of the stuff happened? host: she died the next day in her house was rated as well. guest: so the police searched both the newsroom of the marion county record as well as the home of the co-owner and publisher, erica myers, who was there as the co-owner of the paper, joan meyer. after the search friday, she passed away saturday. host: our next caller, washington, dc, independent. caller: it seems like the incidence of law enforcement intrusion against journalists are on the rise. i remember first hearing about this with respect to when the

police raided a man's home in 2019. i was wondering if you could allude to whether these were happening more than they used to and what is precipitating this emboldened this. guest: i actually have a bit of a different take on it. i think these are anomalous. they have certainly been a growing concern about the state of press rights around the country and around the world over the last half decade and decade. i thing newsroom searches are so exceedingly rare and it's hard to say exactly why they happened. they should not happen, but in this case, the last case i can think of was brian carmody in san francisco and at one point, what you see when these things happen, one of the reasons they are so rare is you see broad

public outcry and then also see potentially significant consequences for the agency that conducted the search. the brian carmody case not only where has material was seized and probably return to the him but the city settled with him for a large sum. host: what is the reporters committee for freedom of the press? how are you funded? guest: we are a nonprofit, about 50 years old, our primary services are legal services. we provide legal services to journalists around the country and we have local legal initiative where we have attorneys stationed in various states who are on the ground providing services to local journalists specifically and we receive funding from a broad rube of individual associations and -- organizations and foundations. host: what you watching for next

in the case of the marion county records? guest: it has been an unfortunate roller coaster so i'm not sure. i think the logical thing is whether there will be further legal action and the one thing i would say that i hope will happen -- we know the kansas bureau of investigation has taken over, if i stand correctly, taken over the actual criminal investigation involving the drivers records information. what really needs to happen is officials need to initiate a full transparent and independent inquiry into the police conduct and the findings of that inquiry need to be released to the public. host: our viewers can follow this newspaper. if you go to the freedom of the press website, it is our cfp.org and you can follow them on

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house comeback bid. compared to 30%. the paul was taken after trump's indictment on the federal january 6 probe but before he was charged late monday with racketeering in georgia. the survey revealed a stark divide between democrats and independent voters on the one hand and republicans on the other. some 86% of democrats backed the indictments compared to just 16% of republicans. melissa in virginia, democratic caller, good morning to you. we are an open forum. caller: thank you. i am just very curious as to why no one is looking into jared kushner or donald junior, from their time sliding all over the world, and anything they had to

be doing would've had to be under trump's direction or with his approval. i just do not understand why no one is mentioning this or even looking into it. i find it odd. it is all about biden's son and if his son did something, each be held accountable but so should trump's children. and relatives. host: in jackson, mississippi, independent. philip, good morning. caller: good morning. i have to express the fact that history has proven many things that are current in today's world, we need to focus on history to show people have not evolved mentally, spiritually, or in any way socially. we are still going through race, immigration, jobs, the economy, those things have been covered

before. they get better in some capacity, war, economy or something of that nature, but we need to evolve to a greater spiritual awakening, utilizing our brains for the things important to the environment and life itself. what is wrong with the human race? host: an economic news this morning, from market watch -- marketwatch.com, mortgage rates could hit 8% according to economist citing a worrying sign not seen since the great recession. you can read that when you go to marketwatch.com. dave, a republican. caller: the thing is, we have got perhaps as many as 30 million people in this country who will dashers answer to climate change is the same. "you know the earth has gone through many climate changes over the past million years or so, so this is nothing new and

we should just an forget about it." even if that is true, how is throwing another 100 billion tons of petrochemical sewage into the atmosphere the way to deal with that? i am puzzled by that. the fact -- does that make any sense? these are the same people supporting a guy who tried to overthrow 250 years of representative democracy. yet he is still getting 63% of their votes. what the problem is here is our largest natural resource is stupid people, period. host: we will go to east orange, new jersey, democratic caller, what is your name? caller: mandewa. host: go ahead. caller: i want to remind our public that we were on the pandemic shutdown, and no one was traveling, everyone was in

their homes, our earth replenished itself, the waters came back, fish were replenished , the earth in its totality was blossoming into clean. we had clean-air, etc.. look at the difference when we start traveling and doing what we do naturally with our natural, selfish selves. we have got to dilate back. host: all right. the previous caller mentioned the former president's poll numbers. we cited those, a poll that was just on from yahoo! news. want to read a little more about the pole, trump built a dominant lead in the gop presidential race in recent months, even as his legal woes worsened. successfully using the legal drama to rally republican voters behind him. seven in 10 republicans favor

the president favorably and 60% say he is happy he is -- they are happy he is making a return for the white house. other ripples -- other poll show republicans -- republican donald trump has a lead on other gop leaders but little outside his party. robert in massachusetts, republican. robert in williamston, good morning. caller: good morning. it is williamsto -- williamstown. you are my favorite host. as a lifelong conservative, i feel there are a lot of older people calling in and i had someone challenge me to one day a week watch something other than fox news and, you know

what, it made a world of difference to me. i want to go back to a time where in this country we want to do big things. who cares about china and india. by the way, they are doing way more for the environment than we are. this idea that if china is not doing it, they've got trains, they are way ahead in front of it. why can't we come together and say listen, let's lead the world, let's do a big thing and i'll get behind instead of saying some of these young people are in favor of it so i have to hate it because greg got filled said so. that is insane for me. let's come together, this is a great thing we can get behind and lead the world and these of the jobs of the future. coal mining, that is old news. i don't want that and no one else does let's move onto something clean and get behind it and i just love the coverage you did this morning.

thank you so much. host: thanks, robert. that was robber in pennsylvania. we are an open form this morning . any public policy issue or politics you want to discuss, we have about eight minutes left in the conversation. we shared the story with you this morning in the first hour, lots of coverage this morning about a fifth circuit court and their decision on the abortion pill, washington times coverage reads court lets abortion pill stay on market but not in the mail. the fda's relaxed rules exceed the comfort level on women's safety. this fifth circuit court of appeals said -- the panel issued an injunction blocking some of the changes made since 2016 that relaxed rules on the access to the pill. the court decided the agency cut too many corners. it is the supreme court that is going to weigh in on this.

this is from today's washington post. the fda's decision to allow the drug, mifepristone, to be taken later in pregnancy be mailed directly to patients and by a medical professional other than a doctor were not lawful according to the court. mifepristone will remain available for now under existing regulations while the litigation continues in accordance with the supreme court ruling this spring. the justice said it will go to the supreme court to appeal wednesday's decision which only partially upheld a lower court judge ruling in favor of a coalition of antiabortion challengers. dave in las vegas, independent, hi, dave. what is on your mind? caller: good morning. how are you doing, everybody? america. i have a complaint when open form comes on. open form is open form.

let the people speak, that's only chance to get to talk and these articles cut our time and also i wanted to get that off my chest and what happened to police reform? these police are going crazy, abusing people, abusing our lives, and everything. something needs to be done. why doesn't the media stay on this to help us out? host: to address your first question, we are reading what the decision-makers in washington are reading from these national newspapers, and the goal is to help facilitate a conversation about policy debates that are happening here and that is what we're talking about an open form. it is also a way to allow phone calls to come in, to give you an idea of what some of the headlines are.

jimmy in california, democratic caller. caller: hello? host: hi, jimmy. caller: hi. i'm a scientist and i heard a color earlier talk about follow the science and he did not understand the difference between aerobic and anaerobic digestion when it came to methane production. i am a believer in climate change or global warming. i think c-span would do a service to have some scientists on as guests to talk about principles of for example conservation of mass and the fact it is not created or destroyed but transformed. also, a scientist or talk about the carbon cycles, that all organic life is a function of carbon and we have carbonate chemistry, carbon dioxide, these are all well established sciences. also the geology now, the

anthropocene starting in 1950. people have to recognize human beings, anthropogenic factors affecting global warming and climate change are real and we have to do something about it. immediately. thank you. host: we have been talking about climate change this morning on the "washington journal." the president yesterday marking the one-year anniversary of the inflation reduction act. today at 11:00 a.m., the homeland security secretary, alejandro mayorkas, is leading a news conference on using the inflation reduction act and funds in it to better equip the homeland security department. you can watch that live on c-span, c-span now, our free mobile video app, and online at c-span.org. let's hear from steve next, anaheim, california, republican. >> good morning, greta.

host: good morning. caller: a long day today, aren't you? [laughter] i went to comment on people that call in and criticize you reading the paper. i remember years ago when you did that you got scooped and you did not finish reading the paper but we would not have found out about police invading the paper office in kansas if it was not for bill reading his article on the paper. c-span is more than a talkshow, it is to inform you of what is going on. that is why i love c-span. you just put out the news for us. that is it for me. i wasted my call for the month. host: not a waste. i could not have said it better myself. jerome, independent. caller: thank you for permitting me to speak. this is kind -- this is an

incredible privilege i get to take advantage of being a citizen of this country. i have been around for a while, but 80 years, in most political arenas. it seems to me a powerful independent, nonpolitical, non-republican or democratic individual should come into power in this country to hopefully create some answers to the problems we have. thank you very much for giving me the privilege to speak and you have a good day. host: you too. thanks to all of you for watching this morning and calling in and participating in the conversation. we will have another for our morning 7:00 a.m. eastern time tomorrow. enjoy your thursday. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2023] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org]

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