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anti-system sentiment that the system is rigged against people like me. that is what really bolsters him in the polls today. we have to understand what debates are formed. they expose new candidates to the scene. that is what we should expect to get -- today. trying to look at the economy, climate and immigration, all important, but especially. -- the first crack. i still do not think we know what it is. based on our polling, he has imploded a bit. significant strength over the last month to month and a half.

i think these debates will be very important for candidates to put their imprint on the republican base. host: given historical reference, do debates matter when it comes to swaying opinion? do they move the needle on support for candidates? guest: yes in. people know you are. they heavily candidates are not known. the first debate can be really important for a candidate. we will see. host: for our viewers, if you would like to call in and ask a

question of our guest, you can do so. you can also interact with us on social media. so, the national unemployment rate is 3.5%, which is very low, but first sections of the economy, people are still saying that they do not like the way the economy is going. how do you explain that sentiments, especially among republican voters? guest: it is public opinion when it comes to the economy. it takes time for things to work out, but at this point in time, the american public is very surly when it comes to the economy. they are pessimistic and having trouble making ends meet.

they have gone into their piggy bank and taken some out to pay for things. it will take time to work out. i am not an economist and i do not purport to be one, but we do not know about the economy going forward. will it be enough to improve sentiment when it comes to the economy? we do not know. we are in this state where people are surly and it does not help the incumbent host:, joe biden. -- incumbent joe biden. host: did they feel that there are alternatives or ideas for the economy? guest: it would be trump because he is the best known, but they still do not know. it is important to define different agendas. but yes, once again, the big

issue is the economy. host: has your polling that voters are looking for specific character traits, as far as leadership, empathy, the age of the different candidates, how important that is? guest: it is irreverent sort of behavior that has resonated -- resonated. tom represents that sort of tendency. host: how do you and ramaswamy going up in the polls? guest: ramaswamy -- the fact is that he was in line with this more anti-system base, the messages put forward. he was going more right than trump.

he was that he had credibility issues. taking that whole left by desantis. host: here is your pull with this headline. does little to change public opinion. can you talk about where public opinion is on those trump indictment and if there is any difference? guest: things have gotten more serious. but really, it is about public opinion and public opinion is divided on the issue. really getting his just desserts. on the republican saying, we are

in a holding pattern when it comes to trump's legal saga. it changes things qualitatively, so when we ask whether they would vote for a convicted felon, a vast majority said no, but for now, what we see is what we get. host: i want to ask you about president biden's approval rating. what has been the general trend and what has been happening lately in the last one to two months? guest: he has been at a holding point as well. better than 50-50 chance of winning the election. he has been at this tipping point over the last year or so,

just based on that and nothing else, you would say he is a week incumbent. not much better than that. it has been the economy that has been the damper on his approval ratings. host: i want to show you two campaign and. and then i want to get your reaction to both of them. >> it was the worst pandemic and 100 years, the worst economic crisis since the great depression, but america fought back. unemployment is at record those and our economy leading the world. he knows it is the american people who are the heroes of the story. >> small towns and big cities, we are coming back stronger than

ever. manufacturing jobs are coming back home. america is leading the world in clean energy. some say america is failing. he believes the best days are ahead. president biden: those who vote against america are learning how wrong they are. i am joe biden and i approve this message. host: take a look at president trump. and add released earlier this month when he attacked prosecutors. >> how far will he go? need to cast of unscrupulous accomplices he has assembled. the medical prosecutor who refuses to prosecute violent

criminals. letitia james, the socialist who ran on the promise, i will go after trump, and biden's newest lackey. so tainted. thrown off one case for trying to prosecute a political opponent. so corrupt, she was caught up in a relationship with a gang member she was prosecuting. welcome to the fraud squad. host: what do you make of that? guest: they are both trying to align the public opinion. it starts off talking about covid. why did he do that? because he served the covid ways

for a long time. but he's not very credible when it comes to the economy. he is not rated high. he is in the high 20 and low 30's. he is trying to link covid with the weaker one. but that is not connecting with public opinion today. he was very surly when it came to the economy. they do not get positive points, obviously, but he was trying to counter that and it is a fascinating when it comes to the trump, he is going after his critics. i remember a data probe that we had saying many believe that they are politically motivated. he is reinforcing that belief and doubling down on it.

host: i want to ask you about hunter biden and those. adults are very or somewhat confident that the justice is handling it in a nonpartisan manner. that is only one in three. can you gauge how that might impact the campaign? guest: that is the flipside of the trump add. believe among republicans that the administration is not political. i think these numbers are already baked in. if you are of a publican, you think biden is already corrupt. it will not change much when it comes to the campaign. it is much more of a base issue

than it is a general public opinion issue. host: divina? use the term baked in, so i'm sure there are some people who will just never change their mind, no matter what you tell them. what do you think about the people in the middle? guest: if you are edward. maybe 15 to 20%. trump has lost support among individuals on the margins. it will not help him -- hurt him in the primaries but would have an effect in the general. 15 to 20% trump's issues are attending toys the democrats at this point. host: tony florida.

caller: good morning. i just wanted to say that i do not understand how desantis has fallen so much. i think it is because the media really do not want to get any coverage for his positives. the state of florida, he won it more than anybody else as governor. 55% of the hispanic vote in florida. and his educational background, yale, his military background, the navy. there are so many people i speak to that do not know any of this about desantis. the only negative that i have when i watch him is that he is

not that great of a speaker. he is not charismatic in that way, but i think when you compare his background, he is not even a city councilmember. look at these other guys, failed politicians, most of them. i do not. understand. guest: in my opinion, he has done everything right. he aligned with the base. remember him sending migrants to martha's vineyard as a proof point that he was serious on immigration. he does not get credit for it. i think we have to look at his inherent credibility, his

believability, so when you look at believability scores, he is weaker than he should be. that has shaved off some numbers on him. ultimately, that is how -- he has done many things right and aligned with the base, but ultimately, he is not believable. host: ron is next, a democrat in oldsmar. caller: i listen to you all the time. it is a disgrace what the expose did. i'm going to say it loud and clear. nobody talking about it. he is mad because the american people elected pete did all of

this and i think -- nobody is saying anything. you are not talking about that. it is disgraceful. people i being naive. --are being naive. host: is there anything you want to add about former president obama? guest: i do not think he is really a player today. obviously, race is an important variable to understand, but i do

not -- he is putting much old news. host: good morning. caller: good morning. host: what do you think? we are here. caller: i was watching the ads of biotin and trump, and it is sad. trump does not -- setting it on the debates, he is such a liar, really, he is a liar and people vote for him. it is sad that this country is going to get worse and worse. i think biden is doing the best that he can.

the world is suffering, so people have to look at that. he is doing the best he could to get people back to work. prices are sky high. guest: bia hyper polarized society. we live in our separate bubbles, and that is how we see the world. he is right. we are seeing it in our own polling around the world that this sort of hyperbolic politics is everywhere. host: ron is in greensboro. go ahead caller: ok. is he on? host: everybody is on. caller: i would like to comment that i support desantis and i am

amazed at the great job he has done. nobody ever comments about this, but we have disasters all over the place. things do not get fixed and we have desantis we building a bridge after a hurricane within a week. that is my main comment. host: anything to add on? guest: immigration is a very important issue, perhaps the most important issue when it comes to debate. desantis is aligned with that, but he has not been credible so far. host: i want to show a graph from a pole that he did about what americans say is the current greatest threat to public health.

at the top and 26%, followed by obesity, guns and firearms. talk about the trends and what is happening with those numbers. guest: it is interesting. sentinel is a new thing, well, as an issue, it is. it is, in my mind, that and gun deaths are the thriving factors for public health today. we can sort of fee at every level of government, policymakers are trying to align with that, but it is one of the key issues of the day. host: joe is calling on the independent line. caller: i would like to see some credibility brought back to the office of president. i think they should hold themselves to a higher standard

than the average person. that has been messed -- that has been missing for the last several decades. we see scandal investigation after investigation and it does not appear -- we keep buying into these candidates. you can look at biden or trump, or any of the hopefuls, and bad behavior, lack of morals and ethics, just countless things that these people do and this is all that we have, so i like to see somebody who holds themselves at a higher standard. guest: i do not think -- i do not know of evidence that we are more corrupt than we were before , but approval ratings are lower

than what they have been. that is just frustrated expectation. citizens not getting what they believe they should. host: let's go to missouri, democrat. caller: good morning. i'm calling about the -- he was a good governor, i will say that for him. on the democrat side, there is congressman goldman. we need somebody -- we better have somebody who is going to stand by, right click. that is all i have to say. guest: it is definitely an issue with public opinion. they are worried about his

vitality. maybe you choose an older individual if you think they are better than someone else, but age is definitely an issue that americans say as a problem. host: this is a reuters poll that says about half of u.s. republicans could spurn trump, if he is convicted. what did you find? guest: conviction is qualitatively different. but i would take it with a grain of salt. if he were to be convicted and have problems with independence, maybe not at that level because people are declaring things today, but tomorrow, they actually have to vote between two choices, but it is definitely a problem for trump.

it will have an impact on his numbers. host: in oregon, republican. caller: i wanted about trump. everybody has been bashing him since he came down the escalator . when he was president, everything was better for us. groceries were affordable, housing, biotin came in and he got rid of the pipelines and made everything worse. biden has been in there for what , 50 years? a plagiarist and he lives every day. people hate because policies were his best. i'm tired of everyone bashing him. the democrats came at him about everything. it is disgusting to me. guest: based on the attacks on

something politically motivated -- americans in general believe that biden has not done enough when it comes to the economy. trump, in a direct sort of matchup is typically stronger in the polling when it comes to the economy. a republican is typically stronger in the economy when it comes to the polls. host: good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i would like to ask, whatever happened to the credibility and honesty in our system? they say republicans or democrats do not have to be truthful with the american people and cannot be held accountable for the things that

they say, no matter what it is. that blows my mind. attacking trump, everybody said he was a great president and i was into him at first, but what happened in the last year of his presidency? it seems like he does not have to bear any responsibility for his lack of whatever he did not do. joe biden is being held accountable for everything he inherited from that. everybody wants one dollar gas again, but the reason it was that way is because you could not buy anything. companies were practically giving it away to get rid of it. we have to dig further into it.

there is a widespread belief that the system is broken in the u.s. and that the party does not care about people like them and that the system is rigged. trust has declined over time. notions of corruption. very much a place where there is a lot of anti-system sentiment, especially on the republican side, but pretty much across the board. host: >> c-span's washington journal, discussing the latest issues in government, politics, and public policy. from washington and across the country. coming up thursday morning, tim

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