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shift towards fall with the new school season the cycle seems to be picking it out in the intensity. we had an ex-president get arrested. the speaker of the house talking impeach and -- impeachment against president talks of a shutdown and that's much more -- as in the continental united states. there is plenty of national news for us to talk about sort question is, what will your talk news story b of the week? we will open up our regular lines so that means for republicans (202) 748-8001, for democrats (202) 748-8000, for independents (202) 748-8002, you

can always text us at (202) 748-8003 and we will always read social media on facebook add facebook.com/cspan, follow us on instagram at http://twitter.com/cspanwj. here are some of the top stories we been looking at this week and we want to hear what your top story is. here are the ones we have been looking at. the story everyone is talking about is former president donald trump arrested at fulton county jail in georgia. you have republican cdidates the gop nination candidates in milwaukee without president trump. the wagner group audrey

bogosian was killed in a plane crash. the south carolina supreme court upholds a six week abortion ban. speaker kevin mccarthy says the gop could launch impeachment inquiry years -- inquirs to joe biden and the house freedom caucus rolled out the man's for upcoming government shutdowns. the big story this week, the rest of former president trump and his allies in atlanta courtrooms. the admin a constitution journal and i will read the first paragraph. it took more than 73 hours stretch across four days by friday all 19 defended were challenged with trying to overthrow the election in

georgia have been processed at the county jail. others strode out and spoke to reporter and only one touchdown in atlanta with his own name and provided an escort. it took them ok but with of mugshot for the history books. that's the atlanta constitution journal with president trump surrendering to face charles of trying to affect the 2020 election georgia. president trump came out and spoke to reporters before leaving georgia. we will redo what he said in his -- read you his statement.

[video clip] >> thank you for being here i believe it's a sad day for america. it should never have happened. when you challenge an election you should be able to challenge an election. i thought it was a rigged election, stolen election. i have every right to do that. many people have done the same thing rather -- whether it's stacey abrams or hillary clinton. when you have the freedom to challenge otherwise you will have dishonest election. what has taken place here is a travesty of justice and i have never had success in part. this is election interference, they are trying to interfere with an election. there's never been anything like it. this is their way of campaigning. this is one instance but there are other instances. i want to thank you for being here, we did nothing wrong and

we have every right, every single right to challenge an election we think is dishonest, very dishonest. thank you all very much and i'll see you very soon. >> would you pardon yourself? host: let us start with melissa colling from belfry, montana, democrat mine. caller: i am so grateful for c-span i watch you every morning. you are a shining light in the darkness heading towards democracy and a better union. i have a question for all republicans out there in the u.s. who can vote. i have one question that i hope you answer it. would you leave donald trump alone in the room with your wife? we do leave him alone with your daughter, sister? would you trust this man alone? please answer that question i just want you to know if you

would leave him alone with the female member of your family? could you please do reporting on animal rights? thank you, that is all i have. host: let's talk to robert calling from clearwater, florida, republican line. caller: thank you for taking my call. i watched the debate, i think ron desantis might win the election. caller: i think ron desantis could win the election because he is a military guy and we are at war with putin and i think he is the only one who could settle it. host: do you think they should be honored to get together or those of the last two standing for republicans to choose? caller: yes, i do think that.

host: beth calling from washington state on the independent line. caller: hello there one and all i appreciate c-span vehicle. i am wondering if it might be useful to recognize the top story being trump's arrest down there in atlanta. this is what is unique about it is the fact this is not a state attorney or estate d.a.. this is nothing but a county da who is prosecuting the president or the ex-president. this will open up prosecutions across the country by this president alone. i don't have any respect for

willis. she is looking for a star for her to move into the justice department or the department of justice. i am very disappointed in how this is being handled and how happy the democrats are because this will bite them. i can assure you. every prosecutor can sue an ex-president and this is not going to go well. we need to recognize how unusual this really is. i am very disappointed. host: current president joe biden came out yesterday and spoke briefly with reporters during his trip to lake tahoe about several of the issues in the news today. here is what he had to say. [video clip] >> mr. president, are you

concerned about a potential uaw strike? >> obviously i am concerned. i think there should be a certain jobs should go to uaw members. >> have you seen donald trump's mugshot? >> i did see it on television. >> have you gotten any solid information on yevgeny prigozhin 's airplane. >> i don't have any solid

information as you and i both know. they will try to nail it down precisely. >> have you heard anything about -- >> i have a proposal to present to congress a request for additional funding. tentatively, i have decided it is recommended -- we want to know what you think your top story of the week was a what'd you think of the story? let's talk to sandy in columbus, ohio. good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call. the top story is the booking in

atlanta and instantly afterwords trump still thinks and just telling people be election was stolen. it was not stolen. his comments afterward, it was not stolen because basically what happened his word and deeds energize people to come out like they never did before. in 2020. some people had never voted or voted in a long time. celebrities who had never voted but it was his mouth and what he did that's why he lost the election. it was never stolen and i hear that on your station at least once or twice a week and i just wanted to say, he stood up there after being booked talking about the lie he is allowed to challenge. he challenge the court into the

previous lady talking about the prosecutor. she is only doing her job and she is supposed to do it because he did this in fulton county. that is why it should be, why she should prosecute. thank you would have a good day. host: let's talk to charlie and warren, massachusetts. good morning. caller: good morning how are you doing today? host: just fine. caller: the biggest problem and for the past two years joe biden. he is not up for the job. he is on vacation. , more than he works. and to the lady in montana who does not trust trump with children, how about joe biden sniffing hair and nibbling on young girls? swimming naked in front of

secret service agents. host: let us go to frank calling from texas on the republican line. caller: yes sir. sir, i would like to say, and hillary clinton, she challenge the 2016 election but that was all right and she had a right to do that. al gore challenged the 2001 election then he had a right to do that. stacey abrams, all these democrats challenge the election just a few years ago and she had a right to do that. she did not do anything illegal, it was not anything illegal it's a right to challenge it. but donald trump, but if he

challenges in election he gets prosecuted. by the corrupt department of justice, merrick garland and the democrats. conservatives get prosecuted while democrats walk free. hillary clinton didn't do anything illegal in as far as challenging the election. al gore, stacey abrams and donald trump did nothing illegal by challenging and election. they all thought they one and he said he thought he won but he gets prosecuted and that is what is wrong. the reason the justice system is being weaponized. host: one of the other big topics happening this week is the first republican presidential debate and several republicans came together and

talked about what they would do if they became president and talked about why they were the best person to become president. politico has a story and i want to bring -- read of paragraph for you. >> fox news grow 8.1 2 million viewers during the debate. the viewership number refocused interest in gop candidates other than the front runner, donald trump. did not outpace the 2015 debate during trump's first run for the white house. trump who did not attend the debate appeared on tucker correspondence show on x. trump untruths are so -- trouble on truth social called the

debate a blockbuster. it overtook paramount's yellowstone viewership. during the debate, the candidates were asked if they would support trump is the nominee even if he was convicted of a crime and when asked the candidates with only chris christie and asa hutchinson indicating they would not support him again. here is what christie said afterwards. [video clip] >> whether or not you believe the criminal charges are right or wrong, the conduct is beneath the office of president of the united states.

this is the great thing about this country, booing is allowed but it doesn't change the truth. host: let's see what social media followers are saying was their top story of the week. here is one post that says my top story is the right to shelter law in massachusetts to house illegal aliens when we cannot provide shelter to homeless shelters. greeting from the people's republic. in texas, if they came from biden with no evidence they should worry about shutting down the government. from facebook, president trump refusing to give the fight against the political establishment it looks like he will only grow in strength to be the nominee for the working

class. another facebook post says more than 1100 people are missing in hawaii, 150 dead. that is hurricane katrina level disaster that is received minuscule news coverage in comparison. an ex-president weaponizing its mugshot is a sad abuse of power. we wanto know what your top news story of the week was and we want to know what you thoht about that new story. let's go back to our phone lines and talk to bill from pennsylvania on the democratic line. caller: good morning, how are you? host: fine. caller: i would like to make a stement the maga republicans cannot face up to the fact that humpty dumpty trump has fallen off the wall. this is a democracy.

not a king. host: let's go to bonnie calling from prospect, connecticut, republican line. caller: hi, how are you? i want to say people are really mistaken if they believe that more people in this country voted for joe biden and president obama. i don't understand, this man he has no pizzazz. he is past dead. if trump was with my daughter or sister i am fine with that. joe biden take showers with his daughter. come on? let's be real. let's talk the truth here. host: let's go to georgia

calling from louisiana on the democratic line. caller: good morning jesse. my top story was trump. for some reason we have a problem with telling the truth. we have a problem with bad behavior. we have to remember, god is in control, we have things happening around us that we need to take care of instead of worrying about this man who has caused all kind of heart ache for everyone. all i'm saying is, you should not bear false witness against thy neighbor. if you don't see it for yourself, you don't talk about it. just remember, god does not judge you personally.

he will not judge donald trump he will charge you for carrying bad messages. host: let us go to stephanie calling from new jersey on the democratic line. caller: good morning jesse. i just want to say, i don't understand people who say joe biden is weak and sleepy. the election was not stolen. if it was stolen it was trump trying to steal it. the people that claim al gore and clinton and abrahms they did not go with all we did through trump as far as the

election is concerned. i don't get it. trump is a liar. he admitted to people on his staff that joe biden won the election but he did not want anybody to know that. have a good day. host: let's talk to laurie calling from halifax, pennsylvania, on the republican line. caller: good morning so much to say and how to set it up? america is leaving the concho -- living a cloud show. biden is a cloud getting a pass on his corruption. president trump was targeted from the day he came down that escalator. it has been thing after thing with the indictments. attempting to bring them down

ruining the his presidential run. this is politically motivated. it is election interference and he takes it graciously. anyone who does not understand that the election was rigged will be in for a rude awakening. he is the best u.s. president we ever had to walk the face of this earth and the only one capable of saving america. he did it once and he will do it again. he never walked away and the more the deep state comes after him the stronger he become. it is time to wake up america. host: let's go to susan who is calling from longmont, colorado on the independent line. caller: hello, how are you today? host: just fine, go ahead susan. caller: i am calling about a

story that is barely right now and could boil over it concerns insinuations that his right to free speech is being violated. i say this because the courts have ordered him to refrain from intimidating or threatening jurors or current prosecutors and judges and he simply refuses to stop. i think he finally received a gag order and people will scream first rights are being violated what is actually going to happen he will be treated like a toddler given time outs because he refuses to obey. that is my comment this morning. take you. -- thank you. host: while the republican presidential candidates were

debating on stage donald trump was doing an interview with fox news host tucker karlsson on x. the comments that president trump made was about what was going on in ukraine where he says if he was still in office, the war between ukraine and russia would never have happened. here is what former president trump said on the issue of ukraine with tucker carson on x. [video clip] >> he is supposed to be getting us out of that horrible war that were involved in with russia and ukraine. he could do that. i don't think he could do it because he's a competent. that is a war that should end immediately not because of one side of the other, hundreds of thousands of people are being killed. can you imagine you're in an apartment and rockets are going into the building of blowing it up and knocking it down? why should anybody, russian or

ukrainian, or red ever they are? -- or whatever they were? if i was president it have never started. host: we want to know what your top story of the week was. republicans you can call (202) 748-8001, for democrats (202) 748-8000, for independents (202) 748-8002, we want to hear your top news story of the week. les talk to linda calling from california on the democratic line. caller: can you hear me? host: we can, go ahead linda. caller: i'm sorry. i was just thinking, that mugshot was good.

he looks like the devil in disguise. that is all i wanted to say. host: let's go to crag from pleasant grove, alabama, independent line. caller: good morning america. i just wanted to say it is a false equivalent between al gore and the maga call. no one said alternate electors to try to overturn the electors. none intimidated poll workers. there was one woman who intimidated a poll worker who had to run to a present to talk to a later. we have to understand the difference. court judges said there was no fraud in that election in 2020.

why are we disrespecting our institutions? we have gone through so much to disrespect our institutions when they are supposed to be the party of law and order? where are you law and order party? host: as we talk about the news we want to remind all of you that today, a celebration of the anniversary of the march on washington will be held in washington dc at the lincoln memorial. rev. al sharpton in the family of martin luther king jr. will join activists and representative from national organizations to celebrate the occasion. live coverage will begin at 10:30 a.m. eastern here on c-span. you can watch it on our free mobile app or online at c-span.org. let us go back to our phone lines and talk to rodney calling from georgia on

the republican line. caller: i was wondering if everybody knew biden, pelosi, they are part of the build a bear group they want to control people. they don't want anybody to have anything at all. host: let's go to kathy calling from hanover, massachusetts on the democrat line. caller: good morning. one of the things i heard this week and i only heard it once. georgia is a state is making moves to be able to pardon federal level criminals. that is one of the thing is federal could be pardon if he

got convicted in georgia. roger stone, as the did the fake electors scheme and he specifically said this is why trump lost. if you find 90 nonlawyers who say you lost in just one that said you won, i still think you lost. he went to court 63 times and he lost. the other thing the caller mentioned about voter workers. he strongly encouraged his secretary of state and ordered to go find vote so he could win. so he tried to plead his case and lost 63 times.

that is what is on my mind this morning. host: let us go to rob calling from port crane, new york on the independent line. what is your top students story of the week -- top news story of the week. caller: ruby freeman and her daughter who kicked everyone out of the place and ran the votes through the tabulator. the election was overturned to stop the count for those five states. these people keep saying 53 court cases, they never made the court because he said he did not have standing. it's not like a judge heard the evidence. thus the third caller who said that. you need to correct these people. as far as joe biden and his son.

fbi whistleblowers and irs whistleblowers, 250 fake statement saying there is fraudulent activity. there is your proof democrats. i am an independent and both parties suck and you are getting on my nerves because he won't cover both sides. host: let's go to angela calling from new hampshire on the republican line. caller: it is lancaster, new hampshire. i just want to say, get biden out of there and we will go for trump all the way. host: all right, let us go to alan who is calling from woodbridge, new york, democrats line. good morning. caller: i don't want to talk about trump anymore. i think they're making too much

occupying everybody's mind. the story that's important mountains cell in switzerland. the permafrost has affected mountains and more will follow. i think it's the tallest mountain in switzerland. i read the report and it's very disturbing. i think these things are so important and i think trump is not. let's stop talking about trump and start talking about the environment and how we will save ourselves. thank you. host: let's go to mike calling from sarasota, florida, independent line. mike, good moing. mike are you there? are you there? let's go to anwar from washington dc on the independent line. good morning. caller: good morning.

i have twos. ja 6 was a lunch bob. i want people to really look at it. they were not just walking around they brought a rope, a scaffold and intended on hanging the vice president and the speaker. they were a lynch mob and there is nothing lower in this country than the lynch mob. i am an african-american man nice should know. donald trump have remained president if he was not responsible for the 700,000 deaths that occurred through covid. he cared more about wall street then he cared about the people. when he found out he could no longer keep that like going

about not taking care of the people he comes up with this fake warp speed. he was elected by republicans, democrats and independents and it is amazing, sheer careless disregard of the human lives that were lost less than two years ago. no one seems to care about one million deaths. no one seems to cares about he told people not to wear a mask, drink clorox, shine the light down their throat. they couldn't even go to their own grandparents, parents, children's funeral. that's on donald trump and the republicans make sure they don't bring out, and neither do you c-span, you don't bring anything up about those one million does and he's responsible for 700,000 when he came on tv and he said

that he knew it was deadly but i did not want to tell anybody. when he got it he ran to walter reed to make sure he got his shot. he had people coming into schools punching principals and teachers, airports fighting, all of this trump is responsible for. host: many topics came up during the first republican presidential debate. one topic that came out was over russia where south carolina governor and vivek ramaswamy had a conversation about the country as haley defended the united states support for ukraine. here's a little bit of that exchange. [video clip] >> ukraine is the first line of defense he wants to hand ukraine to russia. he wants china have taiwan.

he wants to stop funding israel. you don't do that to friends. you have the backs of your friends and ukraine is the front line of defense. putin has said that if russia takes ukraine poland and the baltics are next. look at what he did today? he killed yevgeny prigozhin when i was at the u.n. the russian ambassador died. he is a murderer and you are choosing a murderer over an independent country. >> you 30 seconds. >> i wish you well with your first year on blockade of raytheon. >> you want to defund israel, >> i'm going to address that. you would make america less

safe. you would make america less safe, no foreign policy experience and it shows. host: let's see what our social media followers are saying about their top news stories of the week. here is a post from x, fani willis charges trump with freedom of speech. no one tried to overturn the election but give state to remove illegal ballots. from facebook, there were six people that expressed support of trump even if he was found guilty of felony use. how can they take the office when they're against the constitution? how can they take office when he broke his oath to the constitution amendment 14, section three. here is another post that says anyone who takes pride at what's happening in our country should

be ashamed. i feel stinky things and past election, 2020 was the first time i used mail and voting and received three dollars. the mounting evidence, emails exposed from the disd with ukraine and hunter cced. what was your top news story of the week and what'd did you think about it? let's go to baba from memphis, tennessee on the republican line. good morning. caller: good morning. the new story of the week was how embarrassing joe biden was in hawaii. trying to compare a little house fire he had to what those people went through over there. falling asleep and getting to the debates.

anyone on the republican stage is 100% better than joe biden, the corrupt president we have in there. c-span, nbc, everyone is carrying the water for joe because they don't like trump. he was the best president we ever had. covid came in and the democrats started shutting down everything. we need trump back in there. straighten this out, we are not a safe country right now. these countries are sitting back and laughing at us. host: let us go to michael calling from north carolina on the democratic line. good morning. caller: good morning how are you guys doing today? my story is lawmakers are trying to make speed limit for

commercial truck 60 mph. in texas, the speed limit is 85 mph on the interstates and i want to know, is there anything you guys can do to talk more about it because we have to run 60 and all cars around us are going 70, 80 it will be a mess. host: are you a truck driver? caller: yes i am. host: what do you see on the road now, are the speed limits appropriate for trucks and cars on the interstate now? caller: i think we should be close to the same speed limit. when i go to california the whole state for commercial trucks is 55 mph. i run 55 in these other cars are running 80, 90, 100 mph and is too dangerous and i go to d.c. to the federal motor

carrying meetings. give a 20 panel with licenses and they tell me how to drive a commercial truck. host: i will tell you i spent a lot of time driving i-55 that goes through mississippi and every year i drive i-40 across from d.c. to my hometown of hollis reed mississippi. a lot of those drugs are not doing 60, 70 they are doing 80 and 90. host: that is what they are doing now. caller: they want to make all commercial trucks to 60's so we we are running 60 with cars going 70, 80 and i have to pass another truck and a card comes up and he's running 80, 90 now they are up is because were not passing and getting out of the way and it causes a lot of road rage. host: we will see if that topic

comes up. this talk to donald on the republican line from georgia. good morning. caller: hello, i liked cheap gas when trump was president. i don't like the high gas now on whatever they call that thing in the white house. goodbye. host: let's talk to alfreda on the democrat line. caller: good morning, how are you? host: just fine, go ahead. caller: my top news story with this past thursday, to see a former president be arrested for the fourth time. he has four cases against him, 91 charges. our judicial system, that no one is out to get him.

these are things that he did to himself. we heard him tell the secretary of state from georgia all i need is 11,780 votes that will get me one more than biden. i am grateful that our democratic system is stood up because no one is above the law. it is sad that it's a former president but these are things he did for himself and i will suggest to anyone, look at the facts. no one is get to help. all of these things, he created these things for himself. it is truly something else. and then we had democrats and republicans going against each other. i watched the republican debate

and in my opinion, chris christie, he was the only one up there with integrity. host: speaking of the republican debate, another topic the gop candidates cost over during the debate was the idea of a national abortion ban. here's the exchange from candidates over whether there should be a national abortion ban. [video clip] >> consensus is the opposite of leadership. when the supreme court return this question to the american people they did not send it to the states only. it is not a states only it's a moral issue. i promise u.s. president the american people will have a champion for life in the oval office. can't we have a minimum standard in every state in the nation that says when the baby is capable of feeling pain, and

abortion cannot be allowed? 15 week and is an idea whose time has come supported by 70% of people but it will take out of public leadership, leadership that stands on principle. it will stand by women in crisis pregnancy. >> he called my name and i have to respond to that. it is in the hands of the people when you talk about a federal band be honest with the american people. we had 45 pro-life senators so no republican president can ban abortion any more than the president can ban state laws. don't make women feel like they have to decide on this issue when we don't have 60 votes in the house. host: let's talk to maryland from new jersey on the democrat line. good morning. caller: good morning jesse.

the republicans don't want to admit that when obama was president the economy was great. he inherited about the economy from the republicans. let's talk about the bush family. when trump came into office the economy was growing and gas was cheap when obama was president. they don't want to admit this. why are we talking about the trump crime family? kushner took 2 billion from the saudis but were talking about biden's son. he is not running for president. it will go to court but i don't understand why do republicans won't admit as far as what he and his family has done. i save talk about. thank you. host: let's go with caroline calling from nashville, tennessee on the democrat line. caller: i just want to express

donald trump really is the dumbest president we have ever had. the people all supporting him our justice dumb as he is. they are jealous and afraid that someone is going to, and take their place and they want to keep everyone else down. as far as migrants are concerned, we need these people in this country to help with farming so we will have food to eat. we are not willing as americans to get out there and work in the fields and work day and night to feed this country. thank you jesse. host: let's go to stephen calling from little rock, arkansas, democrat line. good morning. caller: good morning. my concern is this, i was diagnosed with cancer and after

37 treatments of radiation, chemotherapy, i have been told that i'm in remission. when i was dealing with cancer it was concerning and life mattered. i am afraid my country was so far back. democrats, independents, it's incumbent upon to try and spread love and put us back together. life is so important. i am a veteran and i serve my country and i love the united states. to hear people put our country down is so painful. if you ever put on the uniform

is stood up for this country you can't appreciate the freedom. i am also african-american and is so apparent to me after living for 58 years under a supreme court that gave me my rights that my children will not be able that this country that claims to be a christian country try to get right with the kids so we can move forward. host: republicans are trying to find their presidential candidate to go up against joe biden, he himself is already running campaign ads for his possible reelection. he released a new ad on abortion this week and we will bring it to you. here is the new ad. [video clip] >> reproductive health care

decisions are among the most personal a woman will ever make. they are choices that should be made by you and your doctor in the less people who should be involved are these guys. >> i would get rid of roe v. wade. >> desantis signed into the strictest abortion bad. >> you sign this six-week abortion ban. >> if are the president i would find the most conservative, pro-life legislation. >> you would punish women for abortions? >> there has to be some sort of punishment. >> for the woman? >> yes, for the woman. >> biden will be determined to restore roe v. wade. as on as they're in office decisions will be made by you, not them. host: let's go back to our phone

lines and talk to carry calling from south dakota on the republican line. good morning. caller: good morning, i would like to say people who call len about c-span being this and that and the other. c-span is a real service to the people of the united states. it is the place where you can put across your message. i think c-span is doing a great job of doing that. it is a real service to the government and i want to put that across to people who say, it goes this way or that way out c-span. i don't believe that in c-span is doing a great job and i wanted to put the cross out message and thank you very much. host: thank you barry, let's go to robert from tampa, florida, independent line. caller: good morning jesse, how

are you? host: just fine. caller: my think for this week, i agree with the guy that just called about c-span. some people want you to be fox news or msnbc. my deal for the week is listening to the debate and they said including ron desantis they would allow a convicted felon in the white house. i hope whoever runs the debate will ask ron desantis since he is willing to let a convicted felon in the white house what about all of the people that he tried to arrest in florida, one of them was my cousin that did not know she could not vote. yet, he said his goon squad to arrest all of them. all of the people who are felons or have a crime canal boat.

they don't ask them the right questions when they have on the debate stage. ask all of them now. whoever is listening, now they said they would let a convicted felon of the white house, does that mean everyone now who has been arrested or has a crime or a felon canal boat? -- felon can now vote. host: information brought by jerome powell yesterday. he discussed the economic outlook and monetary policy at the federal reserve financial symposium. he is talking about inflation and the possibility of more interest rate hikes. here's what he had to say. [video clip] >> at last year's jackson hole symposium i delivered a brief, direct message.

my remarks will be a bit longer but the message is the same. is the fed job to bring inflation down to our 2% goal that we will do so. we are tightening policy over the past year and although it's moved out from its peak, a welcome development, it remains too high. we are prepared to raise rates further if appropriate and attend the whole policy at a restrictive level until we are confident inflation is moving down towards her objective. host: listing to our social media followers on their top news story of the week. here is one from facebook that says, india reached the moon. here is another text message, it was not democrats that got him in trouble it was republicans that would not go along with his schemes that have him in this mess. from x, why would ages refused

permission to check the gps of hunter and joe biden when the takedown took place? can anyone explain an explanation? looking for rico, biden, garland , why is go get them. they are trying to jell a good policy if you want to bring your electorate together. and one must post from x, i can't understand the obsession with trump from the left and right. we want to know your top news story of the day but were running out of time so we will go quickly. let's go to james calling from ken moelis park -- pinellas park, florida. caller: when the world got

together to china, russia, india, saudi arabia, ethiopia including venice while it gets together and say they will overturn the new world order or start a new world order they will get rid of the imf, take down the dollar is a global reserve currency. this has to be important but is being downplayed in the media. it is not even being talked about. they got together in south africa on tuesday and what they did was identified a new world order that does not include us. host: let's go to james from west point, mississippi, democrats line good morning. caller: i am calling it to save my top story was the surrender and arrest a mug shot of donald

trump. the former 45th. republicans don't seem to want to tell the truth as the one from memphis who lied about president biden. he did not compare his house fire with the tragedy in hawaii he compared the loss of his wife and children in the autocorrect to the tragedy in hawaii. let's correct that. donald trump with the 14th amendment is and ineligible to run for president and state should refuse to put him on the ballot. he lost is more than 500,000 people dead with his lack of action during covid and he also added to our national debt a trillion dollars. he has no place being on the ballot for president of the

united states. host: we would like to thank all of our callers and social media followers for a great first segment. coming up next you will meet author arshay cooper with matt sharp to discuss how competitive rowing change their lives and how rowing can be used for social change. and later, and our spotlight on podcast daily beast senior columnist and podcast host will talk about campaign 2024 and other political news of the week. we will be right back. ♪

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lived in a community where we saw our fair share of violence. we lost a lot of friends. we were in a school that did not graduate a lot of its senior class every year. it was a chance for us to change our lives. it was used as a place of therapy, a place of wellness. this team was made up of guys from different gangs and different neighborhoods. we raced all over the country. i wrote about that, then we got this amazing film produced by dwayne wade. it has been shot all over the world, the bahamas, south africa. host: tell us about your

background in rowing and how you end arsha -- you and arshay got together? guest 2: i wanted to be the next michael jordan, and then i started running track. i went to school at stanford university. i wanted to do something competitive. somebody grabbed me and said come to this walk on dinner similar to arshay's story there is dinner. i thought maybe you would make me better at basketball. i went the first day and i kept going. i rolled with that and continued it from there. it changed my life. it was probably 2015 or 2014 arshay and i were both in new york doing a fundraiser.

host: most people's image of rowing is this elite, ivy league institutions with mostly white men and women out on the river somewhere in a big, expensive boat with expensive equipment. why or how are you trying to move this sport into high school and into majority african-american schools? guest 1: because of what happened to me and my story, when i first started rowing, it looked like an amazing opportunity, but i said no to the opportunity because no one looks like me. i didn't know how to swim. there was no access to water where i lived in chicago. the moment i started rowing, i learned how to swim. colleges that are looking for talent -- it is a college sport -- we had extra academic support

and that was super important, being able to network with others all of those tools that come with the sport, we started the most beautiful thing inclusion fund so every year we go into 5 cities and neighborhoods like baltimore, chicago, newark, stockton, california, we go into those communities and we give extra support, for college readiness for competing all over the country, and also for coaches of color. we use that as a tool to change lives. this year we have kids going to duke, cal, some of the best schools in the country. host: let's say i am a high school principal in a rural school, and you are coming to me telling me i need to start a rowing team, and i am thinking about trying to find money for teachers and bus drivers.

what is your argument to why they should start a rowing team? guest 2: one of the challenges we face in getting the sport or access -- at the end of the day, it is an amazing sport. it bring so many things together. it is a true team sport. you have 8, four people in the boat. in a basketball game, i could score 50 points. in rowing you are in it together. you win together, you lose together. all of those little things mean you have to show up. everybody in the boat can't row. depending on your teammates, it can change the athlete, one of the challenges, and how

does this sport fit in, you have to get creative and find ways -- it can be a great sport to cross train for your older athletes. if you have injured athletes, if you have athletes who can do another sport, they could try rowing. host: let me take a second to remind our audience that they can join this conversation. we will open up regional lines for this conversation. that means if you are in the eastern or central time zones, you can call in at (202) 748-8001 -- at (202) 748-8000. if you are in the mountain or pacific time zones, you can call at (202) 748-8001.

arshay, tell us about your career specifically in rowing. what type of challenges did you face? you describe a lot of them in your book, but tell our audience a little bit about the challenges you face as an athlete in high school doing a nontraditional sport, and when you go out to come pete against people who do not expect people like you to be at this event? guest 1: i had to navigate 2 worlds. i grew up on the west side of chicago. my mom was a drug addict. she wasn't alive for very long. i had to get to school safely. in high school it was nontraditional sports. i knew inside that the

meditative nature of this sport was changing my life. to go from seeing dirt and concrete every day to seeing water and grass changed everything. finding the water as a place of peace changed everything. that kept me going. to be in a space where you felt like every day was an away game because no one looked like you or the spares, the judgment, being in some of the local papers, but -- at one point she said "we didn't know that we were making history. we just knew that we couldn't give up." that kept us going, being able to be together with those guys from different neighborhoods and navigating that space where no one looked like us kept us going. we knew that we were not just

doing it for us, but for our communities. we did well. it changed our lives. it wasn't just a rowing program. it was paired with entrepreneurship. now they hire people from our community that we grew up in. to be able to pair this sport with economic support yields a powerful return for everybody. host: talk about what it is like to participate in a nontraditional sport. when i was in high school, the three sports offered at my high school were basketball, baseball, and softball. we didn't even have a basketball team! things have now changed. they have archery and all of these other sports that weren't available. what advantage is there for students to break away from the popular national sports? guest 2: you never know what

those opportunities can be, and what could happen when you try something new. i didn't even know what rowing was. it changed the trajectory of my life and that way. you try new things. you just don't know who you will run into and where that could take you down the line. we talk to a bunch of kids at schools. just try something new. you never know what that next day could be. let's say you are a kid who wants to try rowing. if somebody sees someone wearing rowing gear, they will probably go talk to you. let's say you're at a starbucks, grabbing a coffee. someone behind them sees their shirt. "you do rowing?" maybe you need a job!

it opens up a whole new world. host: talk to us about your olympic experience. you participated 2 different olympics. guest 2: it was an amazing journey. it didn't start out that. i was fortunate to some examples early on, so i knew it was a possibility. afterschool, when you are training you are on your own in a sense. i great support from family and friends, but you are representing yourself in away. , when you were selected it is a great honor.you're .are representing your family , your friend -- you are no longer representing just you. you are representing your family, your friends, your

community. the whole experience was amazing. host: i if i ask, our audience will --how did you do? [laughter] guest 1: we finished ninth -- guest 2: we finished ninth place. in 2012 we finished in fourth place by a couple tenths of a second. host: [laughter] guest 2: when you are in it, you are in that tunnel. we got close. we almost got a medal. we will let some of our viewers take part in this conversation.

let's talk to david calling from washington dc. caller: good morning, panel. thank you for bringing this to our attention. i i native washingtonian, a city kid i -- i am a native washingtonian, a city kid growing up. this causes the team aspect -- he made a great point when he said as an individual you can score 50 points and still lose the game. \i ist it is great for team -- it is great for team effort. i want to thank you for bringing this to our attention. guest 2: that is an amazing point. the biggest lesson i learned in an 8 boat is that i can't do the

work of eight people, but if i can -- we use that in the way that we gather people around to build community. we bring together cops, churches, politicians, guys from different neighborhoods who understand what it is like to perform in stressful conditions, but what happens when we work well together? all of those lessons you learn in the boat, we bring to our companies and schools, and things like that. that is one of the things we are doing here. we are working this weekend with unity boathouse, a program that focuses on veterans and adaptive rowers to bring them all together. it rowing can reflect the true diversity of all of d.c.. guest 2: the team is a big part of the sport and that is one of

the ways -- i personally had challenges. how can you build that team and that community everybody has a part to play. we were talking about that last night. everyone can play a part no matter where you are. you can still be a part of that team and make it feel like a welcome place for other athletes who may be new to the sport they were fixing out, helping the dock. every time you have someone there was a friendly face and supportive you are part of that team. that -- host: one of our social media followers wants to know about equity in this sport. "are you promoting girls' teams as well? are we talking about this just for boys?" guest 2: definitely.

men, women, boys, and girls. definitely, both boys and girls. we do a bunch of different schools. sometimes schools are all girls or are all boys or mixed. we went to make sure young women see the opportunity as well. there is a lack of scholarship opportunities in college for young women. we are trying to make sure we reach out to everybody. guest 1: i would say most of the young people we work with out of all of them, more of them are young ladies with college opportunities than young men. it is mostly d1 colleges, d3. some of our programs are all girls or all boys. host: let's talk to tonya

calling from athens, ohio. caller: jesse, i don't believe i am on! this is incredible. this is only the third time i have been able to get through to c-span and i have been watchin ng since its inception. i am almost in tears. you guys are amazing. we have the book. i want to tell you guys that the reason i called is because i am originally from chicago. i am probably just old enough to be your moms. when i was a little kid in chicago, i am a hyde parker, my dad used to take me to see the rowers. that is the most beautiful name, that title "a most beautiful thing," because it was.

i speaking extra quickly because i know my time is limited, but i am a child of color, and my eldest son was instrumental in starting the ohio university creole team. -- university crew team. come down and look!. thank you. i could ramble on and on. it is my favorite sport in the world. it is so amazing. thank you for the time, but wow! i i'm going to buy more of the books because it just occurred to me across the spectrum i should just give it as a gift. thank you for the joy you brought. guest 1: please, by as many books as you want! host: [laughter] guest 1: hit me up! that is amazing.

the last chapter of my book talks about my trip to northwestern university and watching the rowers there. this is what we do. we would love to go to well ohio. one of the things we do with our foundation is we strategize what city we will go to and give kids opportunities to row. thank you for your support and all you do for the sport that we love. guest 2: i'm glad you were able to get through. what you said really highlighted the big part of the access. maybe the fact that you were able to see it so many years ago trickle down to your son. there is some connection there. we can provide that access and those eyes. having to break down those walls , you can walk by and see the

boat and see inside and see people of color that you can recognize as making it more of a welcoming place. host: tonya brought up the movie. we want people to see the trailer. we have the trailer for you here. [video clip] >> in the late 90's the west side of chicago was not a good place to grow up. it was like a war zone. in my neighborhood the question was what gang were you going to join? how do you break out of that? a chance encounter changed everything. >> walked into the lunch room and i. >> it brought guys from different neighborhoods, different gangs into one boat.

>> it takes your mind away from all the problems that you have. >> there was something about the water that gave us a piece and we all needed that. >> now 20 years later, they are back on the water. >> what are we training for? >> the chicago sprint! >> malcolm is doing this to show his son another way. preston is going back in time to undo his mistakes. alvin is racing to celebrate the fact that he is still alive, that he is still here. >> i have the chance to inspire another generation. what are you going to do with it? host: a lot of our social media followers have questions about how expensive it is to participate in this sport and how acceptable is it?

there is a text of that wants to know, if your college has a rowing team, what might be your options? how difficult is it to stop one -- to start one? if there is a high school out there who saw the documentary and wanted to do this, how difficult is it? guest 1: there are barriers. nowadays, i'm not too sure. it is definitely in the thousands of dollars. at the top and if you have about going to the olympics, back in the day it was $60,000 for a new boat. host: but that is at the olympic level. guest 1: it is still a challenge -- guest 2: it is still a challenge regardless. you don't have to start there.

if you want to get on the water, crawl first. there are ways you could find more affordable options and build things out. try to find a network, a rowing networks you can get in there start asking questions. people will help. try to think creatively. start slow and you can expand from there. host: say that you are a high school coach and you want to start a rowing team at your school. what do you say to those basketball players, baseball players, and kids who grew up just thinking about those 3 sports? what do you say to those kids besides food and girls? what do you say to those students to at least give rowing a try? guest 1: you have never been

outside of your city. you surely want to see the country. this is the team for you. i had never been outside of my neighborhood until i started rowing. i went from downtown to the university of wisconsin, to being in delaware. you really get a chance to see the world and travel. if you want to go on vacation or go to the beach, we teach you how to swim. in those sports, there are a lot of people who look like you, but in this sport there is still so much history that has not been made. history could be made by you. give it a shot. it changes everything. i think in the last couple of years, we introduced over 2000 kids of color to rowing.

host: let's talk to jack calling from chattanooga, tennessee. caller:, what a grea -- gentlemen, what a great show. you have already been invited to ohio. how about coming to a better place first? chattanooga! a race attracts teams from all over to chattanooga. the tennessee river floats through the middle of chattanooga. north, south, east, or west you are about 20 minutes away. there are a lot of teams, but minorities are vastly underrepresented, and we have a really bad gang problem. how about coming down here and working some magic? host: chattanooga, tennessee is beautiful! guest 2: i would say first that i was there five months ago.

i spoke at baylor high school and mccauley high school. i want to go back and go to the communities you were talking about! me and david have been -- guest 1: i would say first that i was there five months ago. i spoke at baylor high school and mccauley high school. i want to go back and go to the communities you were talking about! me and david have been there to talk. david took these 2 different guys who were fist fighting before the talk started, took them out on a boat in acquired for an our and they came back laughing. out in that serenity, nothing else matters. you are a little nervous. guest 2: you have to work together. guest 1: in order to get back to

the dock, you have to pull for each other. to be safe you have to pull for each other. conversation started. that was one of the biggest successes we had in the past few years was being able to bring together gangs to row. host: tell us more about that experience, david. guest 2: i went out there on the day before on a friday and a fight broke out. they had to be separated. i came the next day, we got in the boat, we put them together. we went out, and when you get on the water it is an equalizer. you get a little nervous. you get out there and it gets a little tippy and it changes the dynamic. yo have to pull together.

they work really well together. th isa what this sport can dot -- that is what this sport can do. we got off the dock and they were laughing together about the experience. host: i can tell you there are always other high school outsiders who will say "why our highschools wasting money -- why are high schools wasting money on any sports?" we have a social media listener who asks "how will rowing increase safety in substandard neighborhoods?" why should we think about rowing when we have all of these other

problems? guest 1: that is a good point. i grew up missing days of food at the dinner table. i walked to the local church because there was no food. because of all that, i did not perform well at school because of the day-to-day activities, the day-to-day things i was going through. i did not feel well. rowing is not an introduction to sports. it is an introduction to wellness. that was the therapy i needed to be in the right mindset. that is why we believe it is not just rowing. it is academic support, it is mentorship, it is entrepreneurship, and it is teaching our programs to not just support the kid but the whole family.

you do not take a kid to a college campus, you bring the mom. she will do whatever it takes to get her kid there. we want to be the lighthouse to the church, to the community center, to jobs. that is what i am talking about bringing everybody together. that is the model we have. rowing starts with wellness, and from there we do well. our minds, changed, our bodies changed, and we wanted to do more. as soon as we saw what was going on outside of our neighborhood, we knew there was more out there. that is why i believe rowing works. host: why should high schools and colleges spend money on rowing when there are so many other things they could possibly spend money on? guest 2: it is a great question.

there are lots of challenges, and i'm not an expert in those areas. i don't think one sport is going to change the world. it is just another tool. it is another activity. i think across the country, seeing activities get cut, whether it is sports, music, art, it is just another area where you can come together, come to work together, and it is an activity that will build self-confidence, build self-discipline, teamwork, all of those intangible things that you want to have, and it can teach you some new things about the world. will it automatically do this or that? it is a tool to help. it changes how you approach other problems or how you approach academics. there is a strong correlation between participating in rowing and how you are doing academically.

i think those things would probably be linked. it is a tool that can be, done and there are ways you can do it inexpensively. it is another thing for schools to have in their belt to help the kids in their community. host: let's go to barbara calling from blacksburg, virginia. good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call. david and arhsay, i did not see the very beginning -- and arsha y, i did not see the beginning of the program, but you are telling a wonderful story and a wonderful way. rowing crew is a fabulously beautiful sport. i was first introduced to it by my best friend. her boyfriend had an eye injury playing football.

when he got into college, he tried rowing and he loved it. he succeeded in it very much, and quite by accident. the university i was attending was given a shell, and they formed a crew. i became the manager! it was a men's team but i became the manager. you had mentioned to swimming as being so important. i could not agree with you more. i sure hope that is something that you can manage to pull together, encourage more swimming. crew is expensive, and there are so many benefits from it, but i

would like to see swimming come to the forefront. anything you can manage to get private and public school pools open for kids to have swimming lessons, i think would be very, very beneficial. host: let's respond to her first. guest 2: that is a great question and comment. it is a barrier to the sport, being comfortable in the water, and knowing how to swim. one of the other groups i am part of is called stem to stern. it combines rowing with stem programs, academic programs as well as swimming components. 2 or three times a week the kids will go to the pool first and then to the water, so you are getting exposure to both of those. i think there are some other

creative ways to bring in swimming to be part of the program's activity. it has been a successful program being able to do that, so kids get comfort in the water and the boat. it is a great question. working as a team in the community, what are the resources we can all work together on, building those connections between the pools, lifeguards, and rowing? that is one area we can keep focusing on. host: arshay, we can read about you learning to swim in your book, but i want you to briefly tell our audience by what your experience getting in the water was like? guest 1: terrifying! we got in the boat, and when we pushed off into the water, we didn't move. they had to pull us back in. we had lifejackets on. we for terrified.

they pulled us back in. the swim lessons started after. it was an amazing opportunity. the taughty -- they taught us first water confidence. the word test freaked me out so we call it water confidence. we teach people how to feel confident in the water. we don't even tell them that a swim test is coming up. the word test just freaks them out. there comfortable with the water. we allocate over $150,000 every year to these programs, and a lot of that goes towards swimming.

waco, texas alone over 100,000 have learned how to swim this year. it is important to me to have that relationship with the water. yesterday it was hot! host: [laughter] guest 1: where is the water? i feel comfortable now that i have learned how to swim. seeing families out there, enjoying themselves, we are hoping we can start with this generation and teach kids how to swim. that is an important part of what we do, raising money to make sure we teach families how to swim. host: you thought it was hot here yesterday? yesterday was beautiful! when did you first learn how to swim? i'm asking this because there is a stereotype of african-americans in water. my mom put me in the water when i was five.

i took swim lessons my entire childhood, and i majored to put my children into pools and water when they were young. there is a stereotype of african-americans not being able to swim. how did you -- when did you first learn to swim and how do you get past that stereotype? guest 2: i was fortunate to grow up swimming. i could swim, not very well, but comfortable enough to survive. guest 1: there are reasons why. afghan american -- pools were not available. african-americans could not access safe water. it is one of the great challenges we face. we need to make parents comfortable making sure their kids -- we try to take baby steps. if they can't swim or are not

comfortable, we find a way for them to wear a life vest. it is a matter of making sure kids are comfortable, and again trying to find as soon as possible, where do we go? we set up that relationship. we went to sure kids are safe t oo. you can see the kids grow. you see their confidence when they do start to feel comfortable. it is an amazing thing to see. how can we make sure there are no barriers there? host: let's talk to princess calling from orlando, florida. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i am just thinking back to -- are you there? host: go ahead, princess.

caller: the gentlemen there with the program you are currently running, i want to congratulate them on edge because it shows the value of sports. it shows the value of camaraderie. with everyone helping h other -- there was a book i read called "run in my shoes." after reading it i saw the value. coping with daily stressors -- another value your sport would do is regardless of our background or education, giving

the opportunity to come together as one in support of each other in addition with health, which is your wealth, it gives you better mental -- sports gives you a better track to mentally and spiritually survive. it is important to all of us. it also helps with understanding our culture and the history, the role that each individual plays in society. with your program and also his, academic performances,, which translates into self-worth and positive development, encourages those to be well-rounded citizens. not only that, it helps us enhance our physical fitness, sportsmanship and teamwork.

his book can be found at tech-supports.org. crew is the same thing. i used to come from connecticut and i remember watching the westland teams on the river. we all showed up to support them because we see they are trying, but it is for other people to bring everyone in a positive way. it is about these young ones coming up. host: she had a great comment, but we are going to run out of time. guest 2: sports teaches you to

be well-rounded. before rowing -- guest 1: sports teaches you to be well-rounded. before rowing, i was a d student. the work that you put into sports opens up to academics. i realized i was not the most talented, the strongest on the team but i -- in school i wasn't the most gifted, but i started putting more work in, and i got better grades. it helps us work better together and individually. guest 2: it is a great point. in rowing especially, teaches you a lot about failure, how to deal with challenges and how to overcome them. you do a test on the rowing machine, you fail, you fail, and

then it is the most fit -- the most amazing thing when you do it. if i have a test coming up, you are nervous about it. i have to wake up, eat breakfast, dwell of those things before i get to that test. it teaches you how to approach challenges and to overcome it. host: several sports advertise themselves as things you can do your entire life. can you row crew your entire life and do both of you still actively row? [laughter] [applause] -- actively row? [laughter] guest 1: today we have boathouse on the anacostia

river. the kids and the families come out. guest 2: i haven't rode in a while -- rowed in a while. it is a sport you can do for forever. it is a noncontact sport. you will see people out there, in the your 90 over him the water going after it. it is a sport that can continue for the rest of your life. host: this is debbie from philadelphia, pennsylvania. caller: good morning. i am a swimmer so i was excited to hear. you would never even think to connect rowing with swimming, even though it makes sense.

i saw the interviews the other day with steph curry, and how he has promoted a program with howard university with golfing. i just saw how excited the students were on the teams. great things can come out of new things, and threw sports all of those things can happen. i i'm just excited about this program. i wanted to call in and complement you guys. there is a lot of negative, crazy stuff going on. through it all, these are the things you do to get to them. guest 1: howard, first black crew team in the 60's, we donated a brand-new boat to them for the future of rowing here. it is named after them! the boat is named after them.

we are excited for that. it will take a getting people together like delta airlines,, all of these folks are getting together to give more to these communities. reach out to us. steph curry sponsored that whole golf team! we are hoping to spur more programs like that as well. guest 2: exactly what arshay was saying there. we continue to work together. you can see the changes and impacts in community. it gets everyone involved in the effort in the network. if we can do that, we can do some amazing things like the caller said. host: we would like to thank

arshay cooper and david banks for being with us today and talking to us about the wonderful sport of crew and how it can help. thank you so much for your time. coming up next, we will have our spotlight on podcasts series a discussion on campaign 2024 with matt lewis, but first we will take your comments during our open forum segment. you see the phone numbers there on your screen. stay with us. we will be right back. ♪ >> sunday night on q and a, and her both generations, jean twan

gie talks about the differences between the six generations currently living in the u.s. -- the silent generation, baby boomers, gen x, millennials, jen why, and jen a-- gen y and gen z. >> we have more polarization between democrats and republican on various issues, especially around a race, and i think it is good to know what does this look like overtime not just in a poll at one time, but look at this across decades. >> jean twangie and her both generations on q and a.

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independents, you can call (202) 748-8002. keep in mind, you can always text us at (202) 748-8003, and we are always reading on social media on x @cspanwj. here in washington, there is a major event going on today with the celebration of the 60th anniversary of the march on washington, which will be at the lincoln memorial here on the national mall. the associated press has a story about what is coming up that i want to bring to you here. " martin luther king the third along with his wife, andrea waters king and their 15-year-old daughter yolanda have developed a set of traditions for this time of year. each august to rewatch the reverend martin luther king's rapturous address during the march on washington.

they see march anniversaries as a teaching moment. 'we are like any other family in this sense that we want to teach our daughter about this moment in history. we try to connect it to movements or people doing similar things in the present.' this year the kings will join expecting crowds of tens of thousands of people at the lincoln memorial to commemorate the 60th anniversary of the late reverend's i have a dream speech. that will occur today here in washington d.c.. the kings will be joined by rev. al sharpton. they will join activists and representatives from national organizations to celebrate the occasion. you can see live coverage of the 60th anniversary of the march on washington here on c-span starting at 10:30 a.m. eastern.

you can also watch it on our free mobile app or online at c-span.org. we are in our open forum segment. we want to know what your top political issue is or your top news story of the day. we we'll start with frank calling from minnesota on the republican line. frank, pronounce the name of your town for me. is it coquette? caller: yes. i have been watching the show for a long time now, and i keep hearing people saying how they don't understand how we can be following president trump. when trump was president he made zones for the poor people. the poor and minorities, their wealth has grown $10,000 a year.

to me people follow donald trump because he is very much like nelson mandela. nelson mandela went to jail too. you cannot have a president who went to jail. donald trump has not went to jail yet. him and nelson mandela are fighting for the poor, and following the same path. anyone who does not see that, how much good that president trump did when he was in office, ought to find a mirror and look in it, and say to themselves "i am a racist." host: let's go to dale who is calling from columbus, ohio on the democrat line. caller: i want to say it is amazing how many people really support donald trump. the thing i am so amazed of is

they say the democrats started after him after -- him after he came down the escalator. google how many times donald trump has had lawsuits. over the last three decades for he even thought about becoming president, he had 4000 lawsuits donald trump was affiliated with. another thing i will say, since donald trump has caused so much chaos when he was in office, if he becomes the nominee for the republican party he will come up with the same madness and say, they did it to us again. this is donald trump's nature. it is amazing. so many people have supported this man. after he uses people up, he kicks them to the curb like they

never did anything. all these republicans -- i'm almost finished, i appreciate the time. all these republicans that support donald trump, if you think about it, barr, the generals and all these people, every time he uses them up, he kicks them to the curb and he dogs them and talks about people. what would he do to a person that supports him now? he takes the money and pays his attorneys. he is not putting it with the campaign. google donald trump. thank you. host: let's go to christina, calling from upper sandusky, ohio on the republican line. good morning. caller: good morning. i would just like to say that i do not really get into politics or the details. but, if someone wants listen to trump or what he stood for, then maybe we should just find a way

without fighting with everyone to help what the problems of the country without putting everybody down and putting everything down. we need to give our ideas and the way to help instead of fighting over everything. that is all. host: all right. let's talk to douglas, calling from eagle rock, california on the independent line. good morning. caller: good morning. first of all, i would like to say the people in hawaii, if they had not been partying so much, they would have known that the possibility of fire was bad in that area. i saw all the rooms and everything were flat and it was burned real quickly. it was a lesson they learned real quick over there. but, one thing i wanted to say

politically -- mr. biden has allowed over one million illegals into this country. he should be taken out promptly. without the 350 million people we have in this country, the only ones we have are mr. biden and president mr. trump as a potential presidency. i would think we would have a much better choice, both of them. that is about it. host: let's talk to jill calling from woodward, iowa on the democratic line. good morning. jill, are you there? caller: i want to thank you for taking my call. yeah, i am here. i am talking. hello? host: go ahead, jill.

jill, are you there? i think we lost jill. that's go to ron, calling from texas on the independent line. good morning. caller: good morning, jesse. i would like to first say i appreciate you as a commentator. i think you do a really excellent job. i have a simple, hypothetical question. i can't decide if joe biden is a bumbling idiot, or if he is an international, criminal mastermind. just wish someone would come up with evidence either way on that. host: all right. one of our collars talked about the wildfires in hawaii earlier. i want to bring you a story from the hawaii star advertiser just to update us on what is going on in hawaii right now and where we are on the possible deaths from

the wildfires. here is the story from the star advertiser. 100 people or more have been tentatively removed from the list of those unaccounted for in the aftermath of the deadly lahaina wildfire. authorities said friday. -- continues to scan the nearby waters of people who may have died all trying to escape the inferno, now we officials announced a new leader for the maui emergency agency veteran emergency manager darrell olivia air from hawaii island. maui police chief john pelletier told a news conference friday afternoon authorities received hundreds of phone calls and emails and information about people on the list since it was released to the public thursday. the contacts provided enough information to tentatively strike at least 100 people from the list, says stephen merrill, special agent in charge of the fbi. honolulu division.

they were found safely and recorded to be safe and sound. the names are not being released because officials are still verifying the information and making sure those identified from the list are still alive, they said. that is coming out of the hawaii star advertiser. hundreds of -- at least 100 people who were considered missing from the maui wildfires have been contacted and are found still alive. we want to know what your top political issue, what your top news story of the day is. let's talk to al, calling from winter park, florida on the republican line. good morning. caller: yes, good morning. so, my comment and the biggest story is the previous president donald trump's mugshot. i want to know why everybody is acting surprised. as the ex-president of france

was guilty and put in jail -- found guilty and put in jail, the exit israeli prime minister was put in jail for corruption charges. the president of korea, south korea, was found guilty and put in jail. let me think. italian prime minister, also found guilty. ex-president trump was found guilty by judiciary branch, which we believe is independent and nonpartisan. he should face consequences like the rest of us. it is not the first time in the world that a president or a prime minister or a person in power get into legal problems. he should be treated like everyone else. host: let's talk to billy, calling from crockett, texas on the democratic line. good morning. caller: thank you.

i want to say that, doing the -- during the times we got number -- we got now, america is the number one nation right now because you got joe biden as a president. we are a nation of god. i like to see the way america is standing up to former president trump and all the corruption and things he is doing. he is trying to divide this nation, but he will not be able to do that. we are the world's leader. because we are the world's leader, we get this nation powerful and peaceful. joe biden is a great president. kamala harris is a great vice president. host: let's go to larry calling from cadet, missouri on the independent line. good morning. caller: good morning, how are y'all? host: go ahead, larry. caller: i'm calling about guns. i do not understand why guns got to be a political thing. if you are not watching the news

and cannot see -- first off, a gun is designed to kill. it is used here a lot in the last 20 to 30 years. it is time for the second amendment to get mended and the political part do not have nothing to do with it. let the politicians keep us safe, being able to get out into public, which you cannot do without the fear of being shot. host: let's go to charles, calling from camden, new jersey on the democrat line. good morning. caller: good morning, how are you doing? host: just fine, go ahead. caller: i am going to say something that is going to stop half the crime in america. our young children that come out of high school should have a trade. it should be taught be called cobblers or electricians. so, they try to steal, they try to rob and do things. that is part of women's, too. they need a trade. instead of teaching them sports,

we need to teach them to read and write. we need to line them up, get them altogether and teach them how to read and write again because you have them taught that in school. you have failed our children. host: another story that happened this week i want to bring to you is house speaker kevin mccarthy started talking about the possible impeachment inquiries into president joe biden. nbc news has the story about what kevin mccarthy said and i want to bring that story to you. house speaker kevin mccarthy said tuesday that the house could move forward with an impeachment inquiry into president joe biden if his administration does not provide documents republican say they want to review. in a fox interview tuesday night, mccarthy was asked whether he had made up his mind whether to -- into the impeachment inquiry.

whether we will do an impeachment inquiry, provide us the document we are asking, he said. the whole determination here is how the biden's handle this. if you they provide us the documents there would not be mean -- need for an impeachment inquiry, but they would hold the documents and fight like they have now to not provide the american public what they deserve to know. we will move forward with the impeachment inquiry when we come back into session. mccarthy said republicans are seeking they can credit card statements, but he did not specify which members of the biden family. mccarthy also raised allegations he mentioned in an interview last month with fox news host sean hannity. he told hannity allegations stemming from republican probes into the business dealings of biden family members arising to the level of impeachment inquiries. among the allegations of the biden family members receive payments from ford company and the justice department according to irs whistleblowers has treated the biden family

differentland the investigation into biden's son, hunter. that is coming from nbc news with house speaker kevin mccarthy warning the gop could launch an impeachment inquiry into biden when the house reconvenes. we want to know what your top issue of the day is, or what the top news story you want to talk about. let's talk to susan, calling from worchester, mass on the republican line. good morning. caller: jesse, your great. i like how you keep everybody fair. that is all we want, to have our opinions known. that iconic picture of trump, i loved it. that picture reminded me of someone saying, f you to all of you. i am put in this position. everybody has documents, they can do everything they want, but it is always trump. come on. everyone is against him. it is amazing. one guy and the whole government

goes after trump because he is an outsider. he do not play the same games as a corrupt joe biden. i am so happy that mccarthy -- i think he is weak, jesse. i would rather have matt gaetz than anyone going as speaker of the house than this guy. this guy needs to be start -- needs to start being more assertive about this. this is really serious. host: let's go to ann calling from indian trail, north carolina on the democratic line. good morning. caller: good morning, jesse. i have enjoyed your show today. i was calling because i have a couple of things to say that are not totally political. my father had a speech impediment when he was young. as he got older, people worked with him, teachers and so forth. as he got older, he became a

steelworker. he led the steelworkers union. he was a councilman in our city. he gave speeches all the time. now and again, his speech impediment would come out. he talked just like joe biden. i have heard joe biden talk completely normal and all of his tongue gets twisted. that is how my fathers did. it makes me want to cry when i hear sean hannity and all those fox people and newsmax -- i watch all the stations, i tried to be fair. when they make fun of the way joe biden walks, i am getting older and my knees are killing me. i am walking stiffer. i hear the make fun of his knees. people need to get right with god and understand that it is not right to make fun of people's impediments, because if they think about it, the

republicans would not even want -- in a wheelchair. he would not be good enough to be president. yet, he got us out of -- he was with us during the world war. he was a great president. he was in a wheelchair. i do not understand why people, this is what trump has done to people. he has got a cruel nature. he has got a cruel mouth. bill barr said all these things he is into, all these charges. he brought his own man, he said he brought this on his own self. host: let's talk to eva, calling from columbus, mississippi on the republican line.

good morning. caller: it is columbia. down south. between jackson, new orleans on the pearl river. i want to ask, we hear so much about clarence thomas vacation. has joe pied joe biden paid for all the vacations he has been on>? we know he has not. second, i want to talk about the fires. y'all hollered and cooped about it so much on the news. people say they want trump killed. it was the biden clan that was back and forth at the time the virus come. it was not the trump family. third, i want to know how district attorney of a county down in georgia can bring charges. can our district attorney bring charges against joe biden for taking bribes for opening the border? oh, that is not --if he was paid for the [indiscernible] host: we like to thank all of our social media followers and all of our collars for a great

open forum segment. coming up next in our spotlight on podcast series, a conversation about campaign 2024 and other political news with the daily beast matt lewis. we will be right back. ♪ ♪ >> sunday night on q and a in her book generations, san diego state university psychology professor jean twinkie talks about the difference between six generations, commonly living in the united states. baby boomers, genetics, millennials, gen y and the polars. she argues that technological advances shape generations more than anything else and explores what impacts this will have in the future. >> we can see real division showing up with more people identifying as the extremes of ideology, more polarization

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dozen years ago, way before podcasts were cool or popular. mainly the reason i did it was, i was a political commentator at the time and i felt like i was playing defense. if cnn, fox or nbc invited me on, i had a good day. if they did not invite me on, i had a bad day. why am i reacting? i launched this podcast. it turned out to be great because it forces me to read books, enter you -- interview people. some of it is focused on politics. we did a couple podcasts where we discussed what to expect in these first republican primary debates. some of it is different. i will interview authors. for example, videogame legend john romero who has innovated some of the coolest technology

over the last couple of decades having to do with videogames, he has a book out. i just had him on the podcast. ron sheldon, who is the director and writer of the movie folder --it is a way to keep me entertained and keep me learning things. whether anybody listens to it or not, i have a lot of fun doing it. host: you also have a new book coming up called "filthy rich politicians, the swamp creatures, latte liberals and elites cashing in on america." tell us what the book is about. guest: it is how the rich get elected and the elected get rich. i think both parts of that equation are true. right now, your average member of congress is something like 12 times richer than your average

american household. there is a huge gap between our elected officials and we the people. this gap has been widening the last three or four decades. that is an interesting potential problem. even more concerning is that once people get elected, they almost always get richer. i talk about some of the unseemly ways that happens, including some of the perception of insider-trading. it is a lot of interesting things in the book. you can get it now. filthy rich politicians. it may infuriate you. hopefully, it will also enlighten. host: are you aiming these critiques toward any particular party, or are you saying, this is all politicians? guest: the truth is, it is a very bipartisan phenomenon. it is not exclusive to either political party. so, my book, i mentioned the

perception of insider-trading. we go after some interesting, curious trades that were made i republican senator richard burr when he was chair of the intel committee. we also talk pretty extensively about trades made by nancy pelosi's husband, paul pelosi, which looked very lucky, shall we say. we did have -- i am a center-right journalist, it was a conservative imprint, part of the book publishing family that published it. this book exposes the fact that it certainly looks like the game is rigged and is not one party that is to blame. host: we can't talk about this issue without talking about the conversation around the song, rich man north of richmond.

all the conversations going around it and the republican debate. does that song particularly hit a theme you are hitting in your book, as well? guest: i wish i had called my book rich men north of richmond at this point. he is talking about people in washington, d.c., politicians. in a very recent interview after his video was played briefly during the republican presidential primary debate, he said something to the effect of, the people on that stage are the people i was writing about. clearly, the richmond north of richmond are politicians and washington, d.c., consistent with my book. host: since we brought up the gop debate, what stood out for you from the first gop presidential debate? who stood out? who won?

who lost? guest: it was interesting to watch. obviously, donald trump was ne'er -- was not there. i think fox news decided not to, at least for the first hour, not to let him dominate in absentia. instead, i would have to pick two lanes. i think nikki haley really surprised me. i think she really over perform. i think she had a great night. if we want to call something the reagan republican or traditional republican lane, i think nikki haley won that lane and performed very well. i think the big -- i think the vivek ramaswamy, as much as i found his shtick to be offputting, he did dominate. he was at the center of pretty much every fight, every discussion, every debate.

he is obviously well spoken, even if i do not like everything he says or the way he says it. i think he won what we will call the maga lane. that means, in my opinion, he is -- ron desantis. i realize there was a poll that came out immediately after the bait -- after the debate. the debate poll shows ron desantis won. i do not believe that. we went into it leaving ron desantis was in second place nationally in the polls. although second place behind donald trump. although, i do not think desantis did anything to hurt himself -- he was sort of an afterthought. to answer your question, if i had to assign winners, it would be nikki haley and vivek. host: what about former president donald trump? you in a recent podcast discussed what you call his

counter programming with his interview with tucker carlsen. what do you mean by counter programming, and did it have an actual impact on the debate and the people who watched? guest: i worked for tucker carlsen for six years at the daily caller. it has been interesting for me to see him become this dominant news force. he has been famous as long as i have known him. but, he is now a superstar. i think that donald trump intentionally tries to distract him the debate by doing counter programming, instead of appearing at the debate, trump went on tucker carlson's twitter show and they aired it at 8:55 p.m. eastern, exactly five minutes before the republican primary debate on fox news, tucker's former employer,

was slated to air. i think donald trump generally does suck up all the attention. he is obviously incredibly entertaining. obviously, the next day, the day after the debate, he surrendered himself during prime time, i might add. trump knows how to get attention. i think he knows how to do counter programming. i do not think it works flawlessly. i think this debate mattered to a certain degree. i think that it looks like the ratings were pretty good, not as good as they would have been if trump had been there, but pretty good. yeah, i think donald trump did manage to take some viewers and distract. i do not think he was excess full -- successful and completely gobbling up all the attention. host: we will take a second here to remind our viewers they can take part in this conversation. we are going to open up our regular lines. republicans, call in at (202) 748-8001.

democrats, your line is (202) 748-8000. independents, you can call (202) 748-8002. keep in mind, you can always text us at (202) 748-8003. we are always reading on social media, on x, and facebook.com. i want to read to you one of your recent columns and have you react since we are talking about the republican presidential candidate race. in a recent column on the daily news, you said if recent polls are to believed -- are to be believed, donald trump cannot win a general election and cannot lose a republican primary. it is a weird scenario because the former would normally preclude the latter. are you saying you do not think that armor president donald trump can win against president

joe biden, but you are also saying former president donald trump is almost a shoe into be the republican candidate against joe biden? explain those. guest: i believe that part to be true. the first part is not coming from me, it is coming from a recent poll. about a week or so ago, the ap put out a poll that demonstrated that 53% of americans would not vote for donald trump in a general election under any circumstance. so, that would leave trump potentially with 47% of the vote that he possibly could win, which is enough, by the way. donald trump became president in 2016 with just 46% of the vote because he did not win the electoral college. the ap poll gets more challenging for donald trump. in addition to the 53% of

americans who said they would never vote for him in a general election, there is an additional 11% that say they are very unlikely to vote for him. so, if you are to believe that poll and it seems like a credible poll -- again, polls are often wrong and they are snapshots. i think we have to have a caveat. that poll would suggest that it is certainly an uphill battle against -- an uphill battle for donald trump to win the presidency. having said that, it seems impossible for him to lose the primary based on other polling, including polls from nbc news and the des moines register, where trump both nationally and in iowa is up by double digits. when you drill down into some of these polls, it becomes even harder to imagine trump being supplanted. one of those recent surveys

shows trump's supporters trust donald trump more than they trust their own family, more than they own more -- more than they trust their own clergy. it is hard to imagine you could peel them off or persuade them not to vote for trump. on top of that, they do not tend to value electability. in other words, if you ask these trump voters, would you rather vote for someone in the republican primary who can beat joe biden or somebody who shares your values, they will go with someone who shares their values whether or not they can beat joe biden. you put all that together -- i apologize, it is a long answer. according to these recent polling's, i think it is fair to say if you trust these polls, donald trump cannot win a general election and cannot lose the primary. host: we will let some of our viewers take part of this conversation. we will start with laura calling from new york on the democratic

line. good morning. caller: good morning, thank you for taking my call. matt, it is a pleasure to speak with you, although i am a lifelong democrat. you have been one of my favorite commentators for many years and i am excited to hear about your podcast. i will be tuning in. my question is directly related to what you were just speaking of. i agree. i do not think donald trump can lose the nomination. i wanted to get your thoughts on, let's say it is a biden-trump match and trump were to lose. what direction do you think the republican party would take? would they go stronger towards maga or would that be the time they go to a more centric type of candidate? despite a good performance by nikki haley and other people being out there in the moderate wing, you look at the deck ramaswamy and wonder, if trump were to lose, would they look for a replacement in that fame

or would that be what it takes for them to go into a more centric view? thanks for taking my call. guest: thank you, thank you for my danish -- thank you for the kind words. it is a brilliant question. you could write a book on this topic. first of all, if donald trump were to lose the general election, would republicans then have a come to jesus moment and say, trump does not work -- trumpism does not work. with that force them to change? -- would that force them to change? that is open to debate. my friend, bill share, a columnist at washington monthly, his theory is that if a political party has to ruse three presidential -- has to lose three presidential elections before they hit rock

bottom and reevaluate. he is looking at history. democrats losing with carter, dukakis, mondale. finally nominating bill clinton, a different type of democrat, a more centrist, moderate democrat. again, who knows if that is analogous. right now, donald trump has a sway over the republican party that some would call cult-like. i will go back to the recent poll that demonstrated that trump voters trust donald trump more than they trust their own family, more than they trust their clergy. it is possible that losing does not -- even losing to or three more presidential elections if that were to happen -- does not cause them to change. the next question is, if something were to happen to

donald trump, for example, would republicans replace him? i do not think we are going to go back to a john mccain, mitt romney, bob dole type of republican. i think that ship has sailed. it will be some type of hybrid. the question is, to what degree the mix of traditional republicanism's versus populism. it is going to be some sort of hybrid. is it nikki haley, which would be a little more fee reagan brand? will it be vivek ramaswamy, which i think would be a more maga, naturalist mix? that is a fascinating question and i think to be continued. host: during the gop residential debate, when asked whether they would support former president trump as a party nominee even if

he was convicted of a crime, six of the eight candidates raised their hand. my question to you is, as we go forward in these indictments and trials, do you think that will stand? i want to add in something one of our social media followers added. they want to know, mr. matt lewis, regardless of political theater, isn't it true most of those participating in the debate were performing for trump's gop vice presidential nomination? do you think they will continue to support former president trump, even if he is convicted of a crime, and were they up there trying to convince people they are the best vice president or former president trump? guest: these are great questions today. first, i think one of the problems with these republican primary debates is that the incentives are bad. ron desantis was clearly -- is

clearly running for president. nikki haley, i thought that nikki haley was running for vice president, except when the debate first started, early on she attacked donald trump for his rampant spending and increasing the debt and the deficit. i guess she is actually running or president. i think tim scott is probably -- i do not know if it is vice president, but tim scott, vivek ramaswamy, the governor of north dakota, many of them are running not to become president but to either be vice president or get a cable news distributorship, get a book deal. they are running for some ulterior motive. i think that messes up their incentives. theoretically, your incentive should be to win. therefore, you would attack the front runner, which is donald trump. if you want to be trump's vice

president, the incentives are different. the incentive is to suck up to donald trump. i think vivek ramaswamy, i do not think he thinks he is going to be president this time around. chris christie in fairness is probably not there to win. i think he is there to try to take down donald trump, although he probably thinks he can win new hampshire. i would say the majority of the candidates on the stage are not actually running against donald trump and most of them are not even running for president. they are running for some other reason, to raise their name ids, to get buzz, to get twitter followers, whatever it is to become appointed to an abbasid or ship someday. i think that skews the premise of the debate. host: let's go back to our phone lines. let's start with carla calling from wayne city, illinois on the

republican line. caller: good morning. i am not a follower of you, matt lewis. i never heard of you, actually. this last question you said about vice president and everything. i think a lot of people would go for that. because of the fact he is not a politician. just like trump was not a politician. people want this reform in our government of non-politicians. we are tired of the politicians. that is the big issue. you are talking about how they are getting richer. yeah, that is why we do not want politicians. we want somebody that is going to work for the american people. i feel our government does not do that anymore. guest: i would certainly say at the offer of filthy rich politicians, i can understand. there is a since the game is rigged.

i think because it is reagan and in filthy rich politicians, you will see -- i think because it is rigged. i will say vivek ramaswamy is part of the first part. you are more likely to run if you are rich. vivek is a politician. he is incredibly scripted. he is very good at soundbites. he also has changed his position on a whole bunch of issues. i do not think we should worship at the altar of expertise and elected officials and politicians, but i do not one to to make a virtue -- want to make a virtue out of a tech bro that made $1 billion were something, there is definitely tens of millions of dollars in the

pharmaceutical industry that does not even vote that much and then decides, oh, by the way, i am going to run to be leader of the free world. maybe start with the senate. that is my take on vivek. host: let's go to dj calling from virginia on the independent line. good morning. caller: good morning. i have a couple questions for you. first of all, i am a registered independent but i am certainly leaning towards becoming a republican after the last two years. the bashing you are doing to trump tells me you are a liberal, first of all. if you had watched the news after the debate the other day, 100 million people were watching tucker and trump while 12.8

million were watching the actual debate. that should tell you something in itself. as of yesterday, 230 million people had watched the trum p-tucker. you tell me that man is not going to get nominated and not going to win, you go somewhere else. people are done, done with the democrats and biden. there is nothing, nothing in my lifetime of 82 years that would make me ever vote for him. guest: well, i appreciate that my relatives watch c-span. i wish they would not call in and attack me. i am kidding. i come from a rural area, a very conservative family. i will tell you this because i am not a straight journalist, i am not a reporter. i am an opinion columnist. i try and be transparent about my politics.

i am basically a reagan conservative, but i am not a huge trump fan. but, i think the caller does make a very valid point, which is, we live in a world now where -- the podcast, by the way, check out my podcast -- a podcast like joe rogan's gets way more viewers than probably all the cable news networks combined. right? people are getting information from alternate sources. in some cases, i think that is liberating and good. in some cases, maybe not so good appending on the information. the old days of, if you can get on cable news, you are going to be a rockstar or get elected, those days are over. i worked for tucker for six years.

he and i disagree on a lot of politics these days, but he was a great boss and i think he is incredibly smart and innovative. it does not surprise me he is getting a lot of people watching this video. host: this number about the trump-tucker carlsen interview -- i want to bring information from forbes magazine about that number, the interview was posted on carlson's x account which received 154 .7 million views as of 7:00 a.m. eastern time on thursday. the high view count does not actually mean that people watched the 46 minute long interview or even part of it, as it only refers to the number of views the post-god, meaning the number of users logged into

x that's all the tweet on any platform, regardless if they follow carlsen. it might be misleading saying 150 4 million people watched that interview, but there you go. guest: it could be right that obviously, elon musk is going to serve up that video to a lot of people. you can school passed it on your iphone, but you sort of saw it. maybe that counts. i do not know the exact numbers. i'm sure there were a lot of people who tuned in. i am going to say, anecdotally, the tucker interview did not displace the debate to the degree i thought it might. i thought there really could be competing narratives and that the media, including fox news -- fox obviously had an incentive to promote their own debate -- i thought the media, there might be something that president trump said to tucker that would have gone viral and it is so

interesting the news media, the mainstream establishment media, was forced to cover it. it did not really happen. the debate really dominated the top and the -- the talk and the conversation. although i am sure a lot of people watched the tucker interview, i cannot tell you what was actually said on it. host: i want to play a small piece of it, conversation between tucker carlsen and former president trump about ukraine and get you to respond. here it is. [video clip] >> supposed to be working. he is supposed to be getting out of that horrible, horrible war we are involved in with russia and ukraine. he could do that easily. he is incompetent. that is a war that should end immediately, not because of one side or the other, but because hundreds of thousands of people are being killed. can you imagine you are in an apartment house and rockets are going into that building and blowing it up and knocking it

down? why should anything, why should -- whether russian or ukrainian or whatever they are, it has got to be stopped and can be stopped easily. if i were president, it would never have started. host: was that the viral moment trump hoped it would be? guest: i do not think so. in fact, i would say in this exact same debate took place during the debate. the republican debate. where vivek ramaswamy took the donald trump position and came up against nikki haley and mike pence and chris christie. i think this is a serious debate and a serious schism within the republican party. on one hand, you have trump and ramaswamy representing america first, almost like isolationist foreign policy.

then, you have the nikki haley, chris christie, mike pence. i would argue they are actually advocating a reaganite foreign policy that is peace through strength, but the reagan doctrine was to help those who are resisting aggression. that was the soviet union. we do not have the soviet union anymore. we have vladimir putin, a former kgb agent. he is on the attack. he is the aggressor. i think the reagan position would be to some level, whether moral, financial or whatever, to support those who are fighting for their freedom. if donald trump said --war is horrible. no one wants there to be war. russia has invaded their neighbor. to broker a peace deal the way it seems trump and ramaswamy

want to do, what essentially will reward this aggression? it will lead russia, -- leave russia still in charge of parts of ukraine they have invaded. who knows, maybe a year from now, they will take more. i think it would incentivize aggression and imperialism. so, this highlights a huge debate in the republican party where the party is really divided over this trump-ramaswamy position of wanting to cut a deal with putin to end the war versus the reagan, kennedy, price worldview. host: let's see if we can get more calls and before the top of the hour. kevin is calling from washington, d.c. on the democrat line. go ahead. caller: good morning, appreciate you talking about politicians trying to get rich.

politico had an article this week on september 11 families make emotional plea to biden. they wanted to highlight the -- they said millions, but it was billions that his family got from saudi arabia. they had another article in 2019 called biden inc., how middle-class shows -- family cashed in on the family name. even in this article, the thing they did not get the numbers right. i think the oil companies have a lot to do with war. the wars are about america's share. martin luther king said, we do not need insurrection, we need resurrection. may better candidates could run in both primaries like -- if the current candidates are not going to win against trump, maybe we

need better republican candidates and better democratic candidates. host: your response? guest: first, i will say my book, filthy, rich politicians, i write about joe biden. who, by the way, was for most of his career one of the former members of the senate -- he cashed in during the brief interregnum between being the vice president and running for president. having said that, the biden family has a long, long tradition of trading on joe biden's name. you do not have to be a conspiracy theorist or believe that joe biden is the "big guy." all you have to do is read the atlantic, politico, mainstream media outlets will demonstrate that for decades, biden has been paying his family substantial percentage of moneys raised in political campaigns for various

work. it is not just hunter biden trading on the name, joe biden has frank and james, two brothers who have both even recently used their connection to joe biden. certainly, it is the appearance impropriety they are getting work by mentioning that they are brothers -- that their brothers are powerful. the biden family has traded on the name. at the same time, donald trump, we can talk a lot about donald trump. his son-in-law, jared, literally walks out of the white house and gets a $2 billion investment from a saudi fund. really, what you have is a bipartisan problem where politicians and their families are cashing in off of their perch. i think the american people get the sense the game is rate.

it is hard to argue with them. my goal is with this book is to change things, including banning individual stock trading for members of congress. these reforms i highlight would hopefully restore some trust in our institutions and elected officials. host: let's talk to basil, calling from ohio on the republican line. good morning. caller: thank you, good morning. i am 92. i wanted to give a different sway to this. donald trump is the old man that will stop the federal reserve from bankrupting this country by the interest rates like they did in 1929 to destroy america. be aware of that, american public. be aware, the bankers are destroying this country. thank you. host: your response, matt? guest: he sounds 62, not 92.

host: i agree. let's talk to rick calling from santa barbara, california on the independent line. caller: good morning from california. thank you, matt lewis, for writing a book like this. i just wanted to know, in the book, is it pretty much biden and trump that is looked at? do you look at all the representatives from all the states and how their level of income and wealth before they got in and there trajectory of them through their career? some of the politicians get in, they are valley -- they are very wealthy. some are in there for a lifetime and gain wealth over 30, 40 years working in washington. i was not sure how detailed your book was, to show the different representatives from different

states. guest: that is a great question. i would say that only maybe 5% to 10% of the book is about biden and trump. i did not get -- i did not want to get bogged down. you could write an entire book on biden or trump. i did not want them to dominate this book. it is not about them specifically. it looks at the filthy, rich politicians who are governors and members of congress. one of the things i do -- by the way, it is very difficult to know exactly how rich politicians are, especially members of congress. they write the rules, the disclosure laws. for example, we do not -- number one, they report their net worth in very broad ranges. it could be -- matt lewis is worth between $100,000 and $2 million. i wish. it is difficult to know.

it could be hundreds of thousands of dollars in the case of these politicians. we do not know. they are not required to report things like their spouses income or the value of their home. we do not know. we make estimates. there are reporters and watchdog groups who do a good job of piecing things together. one interesting thing i would say is at the end of the book, i take business insider had ranked the richest 25 members of congress. i went through and did an evaluation. i take their list and explain how they made their money. it is interesting, right? i would say about half of them either inherited their money of the richest 25, the members of congress, about half of them either inherited their money or married into money. the other half earned it. some of these stories are

starving. some of them are kind of inspiring. there is a guy in kevin hearns, a republican number of congress out of oklahoma. his story is fascinating. this guy was born with spina bifida, it took his sister's life. his family is on food stamps. he grows up, he wants to go into space working for nasa. his first or second day on the job, the challenger explodes on the job -- the challenger explodes. he sees the writing on the wall, that industry is no longer a growth industry. within a year, he is out of the aeronautics business. he goes back home to work at a mcdonald's, saves enough money for about a year to buy his own mcdonald's franchise. today, he is one of the richest politicians in america.

some of these stories are interesting and inspiring and others are very frustrating, but yeah, i did not focus primarily on trump or biden. host: we are going to run out of time, matt. you identified the problem in your book third you have a solution? guest: no, i don't think there is a solution but there are reforms that can mitigate the downside and can restore trust in elected officials. and i have a whole bunch of reforms. the most important one is to ban individual stock trading for members of congress, but there's a whole bunch of others including i would recommend a 10 year moratorium on lobbying so you can't finish congress and go into lobbying your colleagues. you would have to have a 10 year cooling off period. it is a boring one but surprisingly, book deals are a way that politicians cash in off of their job. and bernie sanders became a

millionaire because of a book deal. ron desantis just in the past two to three months went from being worth $300,000 to being a millionaire because he was able to kind of parlay his name and attention into a huge book contract. host: well, we would like to thank matt lewis, host of "matt lewis & the news" podcast and author of the book "filthy rich politicians" the swamp preachers, latte liberals and ruling class elite, cashing in on america. matt, thank you so much for being here today. guest: thank you. it was great. host: i will remind everyone that the celebration of the 60th anniversary of the march on washington will happen today at the lincoln memorial. you can join live coverage of the event starting at 10:30 a.m. eastern here on c-span. you can also watch it on our free mobile app he's been online at c-span.org. we would like to thank all of our guests, social media

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