buckeye broadband supported c-an as a public service along with these other television providers giving you a front row seat to democracy. coming up on this morning's washington journal, max stier talks about a possible governnthutdown. we will also have rep. rich mccormick and rep john larson, washington journal is next. host: the washington journal for september 26, the house comes in at 2:00 p.m..

mccarthy is trying to pass a short-term funding bill many think he will have to reach out to democrats to do that. for democrats (202) 748-8000 if you want to talk about congress returning in the possible shutdown, for republicans (202) 748-8001, for independents (202) 748-8002 and for federal workers you can reach us at (202) 748-8003 and that social media you can do that at http://twitter.com/cspanwj and facebook.com/cspan. what to expect when the house

comes in you can follow that on our app, mccarthy says he wants to vote on a continuing resolution later this week. but this includes spending cuts that's a nonstarter for the senate. the procedural vote you can expect later today includes a defense bill. this would be a welcome development for gop leadership after two failed rule votes. failed rule votes. they wanted to pass short-term

cr. they will meet later today to talk about the border security the border security bill. speaker mccarthy showing frustration with hard-liners in his conference. a series of activities expected today in the house and senate to try and keep the government open past saturday. (202) 748-8000 for democrats, for republicans (202) 748-8000, for independents (202) 748-8002 if you are a federal worker you can do that at (202) 748-8003. you can also text us at that number if you wish.

speaking of speaker mccarthy, we have a portion of his interview on the hill yesterday. [video clip] >> my focus is the american people. the administration has done nothing about immigration. i want to see this president, i watched this president have to evacuate -- [inaudible]

i will wake up each and every day with my opinion on what needs to be cut. host: you can call our numbers, our first is marissa. caller: good morning c-span thank you forthank you for beina shining light. i really appreciate you guys. every time the republicans talk about the budget no one ever says anything about natural disasters like the fires in maui and the hurricane that tore through florida. and all of the billions on

reconstruction but no one talks about the budget and how that blows the budget. ii have complete and utter trust in our government and i appreciate them very much. but when they talk about inflation, we're just coming out of a huge pandemic and the problem with supply lines. host: how do you feel about the resolution to keep it funded past saturday? caller: not download. the democrats are showing leadership. must support them so they can come to an agreement. i am so grateful for c-span. host: we have john from virginia. caller: the people that have to

get services, the government workers will get paid eventually. the contractors may have a problem. it's no good. i went through the first one back in 1979 and they got worse in the 90's. one thing thatone thing that isa problem, the biden administration once 24 billion for ukraine tacked onto all of this and quitethis and quite frn though i understand and support the policy in ukraine. there is an increasing frustration that the administration can't control the border and is becoming a huge issue. when they see the total package and not being able to control

the border that's a bad thing. something has to be done about it. host: ukraine money is included in both of the versions of the bill. out of south carolina on the independent line. caller: it's been over a year since i called. i am a veteran. we have a problem, after giving ukraine billions of dollars he was another 15 billions but we don't know how it's been spent. the border is being overrun. over 6 million illegal immigrants are still coming from around the world. 156 languages, they've got

senator menendez that was caught with gold in his house. host: where are you with this bill is passed? caller: that 24 billion should be attached to it. host: bobby is next from oklahoma on the democrat line. caller: i was calling about the shutdown and biden's age. the republicans cannot govern. it's a true fact, they cannot govern and they are listening to trump and he has no sense.

he is an idiot. host: we have a question from facebook. it will be interesting to see which side will be blamed. people remain either left or right. many feel that it would hurt president biden but it won't. it looks to me -- i hope the last four days of this

negotiation will show that bipartisanship will prevail. you can always call in at for democrats (202) 748-8000, for republicans (202) 748-8001 and (202) 748-8001 for independents . host: we have richard from tennessee. caller: good morning tall all and good morning to washington journal. on the shutdown, the republicans and democrats fight like children. this is ridiculous. republicans, democrats and independents this is all our country and our planet.

i don't think it will be affected by anyone except the american people. when they live high off the hog while their people live horribly and that's why rome fell. that's what will happen to america if we don't get our act together. they will have to work together to prevent the shutdown around the country the way it is supposed to. host: you you can continue to me your thoughts known on the falls with federal workers at (202) 748-8003. you can call us on that line. if you're on the phones and on the lines he continued to stay on there.

let's get an update when it comes to the negotiations on keeping the government funded. could she walk us through the actions of the house today? >> is supposed to take a procedural vote so they can vote on appropriations bills and they are close to passing a stopgap spending bill but it seems but t mccarthy is short on the votes. they had a conference call over the weekend and the four bills that they plan to bring to the floor may also have some issues on ukraine funding. they said to get ready for long nights and and chaotic days. host: how does ukraine funding complicate that and issues towards border security

could complicate that? >> security could complicate that? >> in the dod funding security could complicate that? >> in the dod funding bill, they talk to sources in kevin mccarthy laid out procedural issues taking ukraine funding out of the bills. out procedural issues taking ukraine funding out of the bills. they are planning to go through 80 minutes alone on that bill. . with border funding they are hoping to attach to a continuing resolution, the senate senate we up their own stopgap measure to strong-arm the house to bringing a short-term measure before. host: on the senate side what can we expect on the cr? >> is a cleaner cr, the

republicans were pushing for spending cuts. also on the house side there is talk of moderates teaming up with democrats on a bipartisan bill that would include border in ukraine funding. they could use procedural tactics to force a vote on that which would focus on speaker mccarthy. would focus on speaker mccarthy. there are a lot of places can play out. the government shutdown is something that is a strong possibility by the end of the week. host: is speaker mccarthy open to working with democrats on any front in order to keep the government funded? >> they've encouraged republicans to take up the border stuff because they're in a stronger negotiating negotiat.

i think it gets to a negotiatin. i think it gets to a point where he says he needs to work with democrats rather than the group of seven that will block any stopgap measure. host: rather than the group of seven that will block any stopgap measure. host: there was a conference call where one representative said if a shutdown happened he said it happened he said it could work against them. >> as we've seen in the past, republicans are largely blamed for shutdowns. they feel that they will face backlash from constituents if they don't pass a stopgap measure. it will force a bipartisan

measure and we will see if they can pull that off. host: have any representatives of the biden administration gone to try and straighten this out? >> there has been lots of talk gone to try and straighten this out? >> there has been lots of talk between the biden and leadership. it's mccarthyit's mccarthy and s and it will be an uphill battle. host: do you think that's an idle threat or a real possibility? >> i think it's a real

possibility. i definitely think that is the message from hardliners. host: thank thank you for your . again (202) 748-8000 for democrats. for republicans (202) 748-8001, and for federal workers that, and for federal workers that is (202) 748-8003. host: next from chicago on the democratic line. caller: in the last 2.5 months you have months

you have had republicans only ms you have had republicans only to every few democrats. i would like to see you even that out of it. host: what is what is here concs about the shutdown? caller: i won't be affected by it personally. this is republican obstructionism in an effort to get out of what they agreed to perform. they have no interest in the populace as a whole. it will be on their heads. host: chris is from chicago and you can add your thoughts to the mix. to the mix. howard is on the line from indiana. caller: good morning.

in terms of the issue and funding the government but the issue here is congressional leadership, the gop leadership is holding us hostage with this particular issue. this is among the things where the gop shows they are not interested in governing. they are not adhering to constitutional norms. if anyone is a responsible citizen of the u.s., never vote for the gop. they are supporting a rapist who was the former president. host: i will stop you there only

because the issue is the shutdown. caller: i hurt your first caller and i want to try and spend the -- spin that. i am a republican and i was in the military. you have marjorie taylor greene and the freedom caucus and they are holding the entire country hostage. his politics 101. we want to make sure that everything that happens bad when the government shuts down we can have some kind of status for the upcoming election. the party is an absolute chaos.

the days of reagan, the days of , the days of policymakers, they are gone. host: as a republican and they are making this case that it will give them the opportunity to extend some control? caller: i don't think they should shut the entire government down. government down. i have seen no negotiations with the white house, democrats. no invitation on trying to work this out and now it comes down to shutting the entire government down due to a few due to a few discrepancies that you see being made. host: that was david in dallas

and now we have donnie from facebook said if they won't stop overspending shut them down. they should not be continued to be allowed to make these bad behaviors. we are so far and that it thesed behaviors. we are so far and that it will take us 90 years to pay it off. this is from kathy saying that if republicans refused to do their jobs vote them out. facebook.com/cspan it is our facebook connection. now we have jen from florida who identifies as a federal worker. caller: i don't think people understand that when the i don't think people understand that when the government shut down it's not an entire shut down. essential workers have to work. so the other ones are not

so the other ones are not essential and in my opinion, you couldso the other ones are not essential and in my opinion, you could eliminate 80% of government employees and keep the 20% that actually work in government would function just fine. the government is bloated and they are infiltrating every aspect of our life and trying to control us. i think it is disgraceful for either democrats or republicans, whichever tribe you are in. work in government would function just fine. the government is bloated and they are infiltrating every aspect of our life and trying to control us. i think it is disgraceful for either democrats or republicans, whichever tribe you are in. they are not representing the people they are work in government would function just

fine. the government is bloated and they are infiltrating every aspect of our life and trying to control us. i think it is disgraceful for either democrats or republicans, whichever tribe you are in. they are not representing the people they are representing their party. host: if i may ask what do you do for the federal government? caller: i work in security. host: a follow-up, have you warned by your agency or department? caller: a follow-up, have you warned by your agency or department? caller: they already have said to prep for a shutdown. and i agree with the last caller , the republicans want to stop the spending madness. any household that ran that way would file for bankruptcy. someone has to stand up to say stop the badness. biden tracked us into this ukraine/russia war. host: the congressional research service when it comes to civilians work for the federal government and theygovernment aa state breakdown, and employs more than 2 million that work in every state and territory.

this is federal workforce statistic sources if you want to see how that breaks down state-by-state when it comes to federal workers across the board . we will talk about this shutdown . as always, you can downloadas ar app if you want to follow along. and as always you can go to the website that c-span.organd as ae website that c-span.org. from the democrats line, this is

from washington state, this is january. caller:from washington state, ts january. caller: good morning and thank you for c-span i appreciated every day. i hope that one of the things that congress realizes of the ts that congress realizes is that whether it is two days or two months that they shut down that it will affect our credit rating. that will cost us more money, our interest rates will go up on our debt as it did when we raise the debt ceiling a couple of months or weeks ago. it affected our credit rating with them. it will cost us more money for a much longer time our credit rating. that will cost us more money, our interest rates will go up on our debt as it did when we raise the debt ceiling a couple of months or weeks ago. it affected our credit rating

with them. it will cost us more money for a much longer time than if they pass the continuing resolution and got these bills passed. the other thing, if they ran the government like we ran our ran the government like we ran our household the time to decide your spending too much money is not when you're holding the bills in your hand and deciding you don't have enough to pay it or i choose not to pay it. get this done in the proper order and when they start passing bills, shows how much money we have allocated for the next fiscal year and don't spend more than you have allotted. host: she referenced that moody's analytics report with usa today saying that a shutdown will be a credit negative. oh short-lived shutdown would not disrupt the economy but moody's would underscore the

weakness of government strength against other countries with similar credit ratings. president biden on the state of affairs said this yesterday. [video clip] >> those in congress are willing to shut down the government. just a few months ago ago they k us to the very edge and we still cut the deficit by one trillion. now a small group of house republicans we could be faced and we shook hands and decided this is what we are going to do.

a shutdown would affect the disabled and children disproportionately. the epa would have to stop their work. and there examinations of chemical plants. small businesses would be disrupted. government funding is a basic responsibility of congress. host: that was president biden from yesterday and you can find it again on our app and he is traveling to michigan to strike

with uaw workers. that's expected at noon on tuesday. the economic times reported that john thain is expected to join president biden at the picket line. the unit is not involved -- union is not involved -- according to that same source. rob in new york, independent line, congress returning and a potential shutdown, go ahead. caller: this government should shut it down and burn it down. it is weaponized and we have an irs -- they are coming after us, the american people. you have a justice department who is carrying water for bi

den's family and we have -- who are a bunch of trouble -- criminals. burn it down and shut them down and screw them all. host: democrats line, you are next. caller: hi, this is al and i don't think the shutdown is even based on anything reality because there is no debt problem. the debt that we have is less than the debt i had after world war ii. you showed a huge infrastructure program called the interstate highway system and he solved the problem and we had a wonderful economy during and after his term. eisenhower was a great man and the way he solved it, he taxed the rich 91%. the top marginal tax rate was 91%.

that solved the problem and that is all we have to do. host: if we are clocking at 33 trillion dollars in trust according to the debt clock, that is the way to resolve it? caller: absolutely. in today's dollars, eisenhower had a bigger debt than we did. that is the way he solved it and thank you very much. host: $33 trillion, the debt clock as we want to show you when it comes to issues of debt and spending, one of the driving forces between the efforts of the current passing of the current passing of this sort -- short-term funding bail and the passing of the appropriations bill as you heard our guest from axios talks about -- about -- talk about. you can text us, federal workers, (202) 748-8003. roy in michigan. republican line. caller: first time caller.

i agree with the person on earlier. i don't know why we can't get along. host: what do you think about the issues at play when it comes to spending and funding and the case that republicans are making when it comes to holding up funding of the government? caller: i think if they can get together, they can get something to. host: why do you think that? caller: well, i see people getting elected but they are not doing anything. there are a couple in their holding all the promotions. i am a 25 year -- year military person and that is ridiculous. host: chris in arizona. caller: i am a senior and i draw personal -- social security.

if we don't address social security, and what is going on with that, we will go bankrupt in social security. automatically, there will be a 30% cut in the social security. so, whether we like it or not, we are $33 trillion in debt. when is it going to end? you have a checking book, checkbook, you keep the bounce, do you have a savings account? you put money in it. if you have to make a choice between a corvette or a chevy malibu, what will you choose if you can only afford the chevy malibu? you have to buy the chevy malibu. if you can answer those questions, you're more qualified to be a senator or a house of representative congressperson, then what we have there now. host: do what degree -- to what

degree do you support the idea of a ship out to make a point about the senate -- of a shutdown to make a point about the senate? the larger issue is about spending. do you agree with the idea of a shutdown to make that point? caller: the first example i use it social security and if we don't do anything, social security will get cut 30% when it runs out of money. if we don't do anything, we will go ahead and sow what we believe so if a shutdown goes ahead and makes it easier to go forward, that is fine but is there going to be pain, sure but on the other hand, the example i used was social security -- host: we will leave it there and i invite you to join us at 9:30 easter time for the democrat from connecticut and one of the key drivers in efforts to change

in -- and reform social security and i will be one of the discussions alongside discussions about the potential of a government shutdown this week as congress returns. 9:30, look out for that. isaac is next, in oregon, republican line. caller: this is isaac and i's to see you again -- 10 nice to see you again -- this is isaac. nice to see you again. will you guys remain open and will you have guests in the government? host: we have guests in all areas of government and we are not funded by government. caller: if this government shutdown occurs, i wonder if the people think, if there is any correlation with the individuals who being affected by this --

and potentially farmers, i went to cf people are willing to vote for these particular congressmen who are not willing to make this go forward. host: that is isaac there. two congressman will join us today and you heard about representative lawson. a republican for georgia will join us at 8:30 easter time this morning and asking and taking questions from you about issues especially concerning the idea of a potential shutdown. andrew in new york, democrats line. caller: nice to see you again and thank you for c-span. to answer your question directly, i think we -- we are not just concerned about the certain agenda for 2023, they

are interested in a concert at gender that goes back to fdr. these are folks that will stand back and watch it burn. it is going to have to be the republican establishment getting them -- their extremist -- arch conservatives in line. people talk about be shutdown bills as a minor matter and i don't think they appreciate how much damage it will do across the country and humanity. host: when you say republican establishment, what do you mean? caller: i will say moderates, people are -- who are willing to negotiate with the democrats side to find a deal. that is how the government's support to -- supposed to work. host: a mixup of republican and

democratic legislators with their own version of a plan to keep government open so you may want to also look out for that as the week progresses. laura in spokane, washington. republican line. caller: good morning. thanks for letting me in. the reason why i am calling because i think i am -- we are overlooking the biggest problem, it is not the rich. they are paying enough. it is the spending and the politicians. we have so much fraud. there are hundreds of billions of dollars missing from the covid stuff and no one seems to be able to find it. i think we are not holding our own accountable far spending.

this government is out of line and they have done nothing for his country. this administration is doing everything and we need that border closed you. -- immediately. they are not going to do that unless we hold the stuff over their heads. host: saying that -- by saying that, is a shutdown one of the means to hold it over there heads? the words you used? caller: if they will -- don't want to help us secure the border, but they need to do -- what they need to do their jobs, why do you want to pay for them -- and why would we want to pay a bunch of countries all over the world that hate our guts? tell me the truth, why is this going on and why when we are

paying for them to hate america, did -- to destroy all rights -- our rights? marshall would pay for that -- why should we pay for that? host: one of the pieces from the washington post there, and analysis from the current state of affairs when it comes to capitol hill, a right that more pragmatic house republicans have amended their hardline colleagues are expanding precious time fighting on whether their four year goal is conservative enough without recognizing that failing to past stopgap measures would prevent them from achieving the goal of passing all 12 appropriations bills. some have been equally happy as blunt that their current proposals cannot pass the senate and be signed by president biden. a handful of lawmakers do not appear to recognize this basic principle. this is a representative, a

republican from louisiana. every day we get closer to the end of the fiscal year, the opportunity our leverage to force the white house to cave on issues is waning. he goes on to say, i think it is a huge mistake. that is from the analysis of the washington post if you want to read it there this morning. continue to call in. on our line or honor social media sites -- for on our social media sites. dee, marilyn, democrats line. -- maryland, democrats line. caller: all they have done is -- i will say this about the shutdown. nikki haley at the debate said out of her mouth who is a republican, that the republicans

are responsible for the debts that has incurred. they are acting like, they need to cut spending but those tax cuts are the high and driver of the economy and people are not talking about that. host: you are on, keep going. caller: i would like to say this shutdown will affect a whole lot of people. they don't care and for people to continue to support a party that is trying to extort the government, they have done it with the january 6 situation. now they are talking about if they shut down the government, the white house is going to listen to them. they are dealing with lies and people are losing income. it will be a disaster.

president biden at this economy back on track from the pandemic and other things. when people lose their jobs and livelihoods because some people are living like that. host: she mentioned nikki haley and she will be one of the seven that will participate in the second republican presidential debate -- candidate debate. she will be part of the group including governor rhonda santos, the economic -- the vacant mama's army -- vivek ramaswamy. a qualified -- asa hutchinson did not make the list nor did will hurd or former president trump who met the polling and the donor particularly -- donor criteria will not participate. the former president expected to address uaw workers on

wednesday. that is the other think you can watch out for as the week progresses. in florida, independent line. caller: how are you doing? thanks for taking my call. host: you are on, go ahead. caller: i agree with the earlier caller who said shut it down. burn it down. our government has become so corrupt as to be not only ineffective but a danger to the american people. it is time to shut it down and start over with something different. host: if you shut it down as of wednesday, what does it accomplish in your mind? caller: what it accomplishes is getting rid of government. host: also -- how so? caller: at the government shutdown, we no longer have a government and that is a good thing. host: that is kurds in florida --curt in florida.

let's hear from kay in ohio, republican line. caller: i believe if they should shut down the government, they should not run the military and social security and other people with money they have earned. if up -- we are incompetent and if i was in come today at work, i would not be working and if they get themselves in the situation because of incompetence, it is because they are more concerned about their party winning an american people so it should be congress's paycheck that should be held until they can get together and there should be no backpay and if that was the place, -- the case, we would see a solution today because it is their money and not ours. that shows you how much they care about us. for most of us americans, we have seen how ineffective and how unrelated they are to the public. my question is, how would anyone

ever be able to tell them of the government shutdown will -- them. the government shutdown will affect us? host: reuters has a partial listing on what is impacting -- impacted if a shutdown happens. the 2 million u.s. military personnel will remain at the post and nearly half of the pentagon's sibling employees will be furloughed. -- pentagon park civilian employees will be furloughed -- pentagon's sibling employees will be furloughed. prison staffers will continue to work, criminal prosecutions including the two federal cases against donald trump will continue and most civil litigation will be postponed. it is unclear if google -- the

government's remarkable antitrust lawsuit will be stopped -- congress and lawmakers will collect patriots and even though federal workers do not and staffers do not get paid. those deemed essential will be required to work. host: california, from the independent line, anthony. in pomona, california. hello? one more time for anthony. let's go to pat in illinois. democrats line. caller: i thought this was the support shutdown line. host: we are not breaking it down that way, we are breaking it down by political party. are you a democrat? caller: i am not. host: i will ask you to call in and i appreciate the call and pick the line that best represents you. it is (202) 748-8000 four

democrats, (202) 748-8001 were done -- republicans --for publicans. (202) 748-8002 where independence and for government workers (202) 748-8003. you can text us there as well. [video clip] >> once there is a shutdown, how long can you keep nutrition systems going? >> the snap program, will continue. at least for the month of october. if this shutdown were to extend longer than that, there would be serious consequences to snap. the wic program, for nearly 7 million moms and children, that program stops on the shutdown printer -- occurs.

we have a fund that my continue for a day or two and some states may have left over benefits that may have not been spent and may extend for a week for that state that the vast majority of -- eight but the vast majority of -- for that state but the vast majority of wic participants -- >> if there is any -- is there any system -- scenario where there is no government shutdown, the administration could explore the ability to extend the funding of the program past the one or two days you mentioned? >> there is no authority and unlike the snap program, we do not have that capability at least for a. -- a period of time with snap. if we have a shutdown, wic shutdown and that means assistance to mom and children

-- mothers and children will shutdown. host: i want to -- follow up on the story on why congressional leaders continue to get pay. the reason is because how their pay is treated under federal law. article one and two of the federal constitution -- the ascertained by law and paid out by the treasury of the united states which means they get paid whether or not other parts of the government are funded, pursuant to that section, members' pay rate is set by a -- appropriation since 1983 according to the recent congressional research service report meeting finding -- finding out their pay does not need to be approved annual -- meeting funding, their pages not

need to be approved -- their pay does not need to be approved annually. caller: $1 trillion is 1000 billion dollars. this country is 33,000 billion dollars in debt. it spent $7 trillion a year annually and in overspend by 2000 billion dollars, how long can this go on? plow the republicans that say this has to stop and we have to figure out some way to rein in spending because it is overdone. we are still doing fine so something has to be done and i would appreciate republicans cutting the spending because $1 trillion is too much to waste. $2 trillion is too much to waste every year. host: this is hector in san

diego. caller: good morning pedro. my question is, i am a republican. i know there is a problem on both sides. the only thing that hurts with all the mexicans and americans and all people no matter the color. there are guys -- they have no shame. democrats say whatever. trump is around other people. he is supposed to be in jail. host: that is hector in san diego and the washington post highlights the length of the government shutdown. it goes back to december 1995 with 21 days, 16 days and

september 2013, 5 -- five days in 1995, january 2018, 1990, december 1982 and all of those only lasting three days. someone in alexandria, virginia, republican line. you are next up. caller: [indiscernible] host: we as people to pick the right mind when they call so tried to call in -- the right line when they close to try to call in. starts in san diego, -- scott in san diego, california. caller: good morning my former americans. i'm a former government contractor and i went through a bunch of these inks. we need to look at potentially setting up an amendment to the constitution that says if they cannot pass a bill and get it

signed by the president that all of the congressman, the president and vice president and anyone who is approved by the senate other than the judiciary is no longer eligible to ever serve as that for those positions because they have proven themselves incompetent to run the government. we need to get our spending under control and we need to get our congress under control and get them to do their job, which is to pass a budget which works for the people of the u.s. host: we have set us on line for federal workers, that is chris's situation in virginia. caller: thanks for taking my call. federal workers, i'm not speaking on the behalf of a government but i agree to the previous color about to get -- understanding the balancing of the budget.

with rising tensions in the far east, and ongoing tensions especially concerning ukraine, i think -- not to represent the government in any way but it is irresponsible at this point to not fund the government fully. when we have a looming potential crisis in the far and europe. host: if my -- if i may ask, what do you do for government in a broad sense? caller: i am dod. host: has your agency and for me prepare in any way? -- as informed you to prepare for every way -- has your agency informed you to prepare in any way? caller: i cannot go into that right now. host: chris in indiana, republican line. caller: i am a disabled veteran

wait -- waiting for benefits and unthinkable affect me because the shutdown is going to affect the workers who are looking into that area for me. host: have you received any official notification from your agency that deals with the issue about that? what do you base that on? caller: my attorneys said they can affect me substantially -- said it can affect me substantially for the amount of time it will take them to gear back up and rates my disability rating. host: one more call, this is angie, democrat in virginia. caller: good morning. personally, realistically, we do not need a shutdown.

in order for the economy to come back together, we are going to need this shutdown? --. why? i believe we are in a bad state and if we do not come together, we will become a third world country. right now, everything is super expensive. the gas and food and everything. this government shutdown is a way for us -- it is a wake-up call for us to get our stuff together. host: that is angie in virginia finishing off these calls. to those who participated, thank you for doing so. several guests joining us. here to talk about aspects of the government shutdown. we have the president and ceo of something called partnership for republic services and he will talk about the potential government shutdown and how it might diminish public trust

overall in government and later on, the first of two lawmakers joining us and at 8:30, we will talk to rich mccormick of georgia and talk about the funding and the additional aid to ukraine. those conversation coming up on washington -- just conversations coming up on washington -- those conversations coming up on washington. >> with this year's theme, looking forward while considering the past. we are asking middle and high school students to create 5-6 minute video addressing one of these russians. in the next 20 years, what is the most important change you would like to see in america or over the past 20 years, what is the most important change in america? we are giving away $100,000 in total prizes with the grand prize

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public service is a nonpartisan nonprofit organization. we are dedicated to a better government and stronger democracy. we believe that a effective government is important to our safety and well-being as a nation and it is a critical element of our democracy. we support all sorts of programs to make sure a more effective government, making sure it is well led and trying to make sure the government is trusted as well as trustworthy. nonprofit world is a challenge. we have a double bottom line and we need the resources to make it happen. we get our money from philanthropies, individuals, companies. and we do work for the government where they pay us. much of our leadership is we get support from government. host: you talked about effective

government and trusted government, how do you think the public at large looks at those lenses, especially with the idea of a shutdown might happen? guest: it is terrible. we have data that shows that the american people expect that their government is going to be working for them and a shutdown underlines their trust and those who are leaving the government and the government's ability to deliver on the promise that it owes the american people. we are in very partisan times. there are differences about which direction our country should go. we all need to live together and a government that works well. shutting the government down is one of the worst things you can do for our country.

host: we use the term shutdown, but what does that mean particularly the difference between a partial shutdown and a full shutdown and what might occur in this case? guest: it is rather complicated. when we talk about government shutdown, the reality is that most of the government services will continue. the administration will be doing everything it can to try to prevent americans from being harmed. if you look at the situation, over two thirds of the budget is mandatory, things like social security and medicare. the failure to pass in annual appropriation bill does not interfere with the provision of. those services from government. even the government funding in annual appropriation, there is an exception that permits and requires government agencies to continue helping where there is

a threat. those federal employees that are providing those services will be required to work and not be paid during the shutdown. there is no other group of workers in our country that i am aware of that can be required to work and not get a paycheck while they are working. they will be having to do that. that is terrible for their morality, future recruitment and all other kinds of things will be interfered with, including issues around the future workforce. future heir traffic controllers or benefits like those that go to women and children. small business loans. lots of other services will be interfered with. the bulk of government services

will continue. the american people will not see -- go out and smoke which would in fact happen if all government services ended. host: our guest is here until 830 time. democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. most people when they hear federal employees they think of the white house. talk about the scope. if you ask the american people what do they think about the federal government, do they trusted, the numbers are low. guest: 80 plus percent of the

federal civilians in the d.c. area. they are doing all kinds of things to serve the public. i talked about some of them earlier. they are not bickering. they are spending their time getting stuff done by the behalf of the american people. if you have americans see more of that, their views changed on whether they trust government and what they think about the government. we do not have other critical stakeholders like hollywood and the media but were offering more insight to the public about their civil service workforce. 80% outside of d.c. close to 40% are veterans. in the shutdown context, 2

million civil servants he will either be furloughed or required to work without pay. you also have uniformed service folk who will be in a similar situation, although pre-much all of them will be required to continue to work -- pretty much all of them will be required to continue work without pay. almost 40% of our country could not or would likely have to borrow money. the military is in similar situation, forcing them to work without payment is terrible. it will result in harm to them, harm to the future of our government and the services we see as a country. it will cost us more to shut the government down then to keep it open. not a smart choice. one that we should do everything possible to prevent.

host: 42% said that the federal vement has a positive impact upon the country. 70% says the government is wasteful, too bureaucratic and then corrupt. can you elaborate? guest: this is troubling. to have a healthy democracy you need a rule of law. you need accountability and a defective government that includes the trust of the american people -- effective government that includes the trust of the american people. the news of the day reinforces that narrative. the american people should actually see the people who are really helping them. that is the civil servants who are spread out across the entire country and frankly the entire world. when you probe views about

specific government functions, the numbers are way higher. even the irs, which i think deserves more credit. it has a better reputation than the federal government at large. part of the issue is breaking down what you are actually seeing from the government introducing the public to the real people who are helping them. that attitude changes substantially, but that is not happening right now. the narrative we are here right now is about who is going to win rather than how the american people are going to get help fast. the answer to that question is simple, which is keep the government open. have your disputes about policy direction in the right way but do not buy the house down to make your point. -- burn the house out to make your point. host: how have passed government shutdowns impacted trust and who

suffered mostly? guest: certainly trust in government goes down as well. the morale of the federal workforce declines. the interest of people in public service in the government goes down. it costs the american taxpayer more money to shut the government down to keep it open -- then keep it open. in terms of the political calculus, the first thing i would note is it is not a good way of looking at this. at the end of the day our leaders are committed to the public good. how do we help the american public the most not to is going to win the battle. the truth is, everybody loses. the only winners are enemies.

(202) 748-8000, democrats. (202) 748-8001, republicans. (202) 748-8002, if you are a federal worker give us a call. you talked about those public servants. just to show our viewers the research that you have done. 57 percent say that the most federal employees are competent. 50 3% saying they are doing public service appeared to 50 two percent saying they are hard workers. they are getting positive scores. only when people are thinking when they are corrupt, only 30%. guest: i think there's a dichotomy between the view of the federal government, which gets confused with the bickering politicians in washington. the people who are really doing

the work of government day in and day out in communities across the country. that dichotomy is really important when you focus the questions on the people in government. you talk about them want to are serving the public and all kinds of ways. if you talk to americans about their experience of government services it is more positively than the government itself. it is not to suggest that we do not have ways to improve the way our government performs. we really need to focus on the bright spots in order to get better service from our government. this is important work. we do not see lots of questions about the health of the institution and government.

we have political horse races draw all of the attention. at the end of the day, what is meant to matter the most is the services that they receive in the ability of whoever is in charge to managed the future. host: republican line. you are on with max stier with the art for public service. go ahead. caller: i am wondering if you can talk about some of the positives of shutting the government down even though there might be far and few between. there is provisions in there to shutdown the border, or at least slow it down. drug dealers instead of going through. killing hundreds and thousands of americans appeared shutting

down the border would in that. i think that would be a positive thing. the people who are coming from the border are largely criminals, illegal. there is 12 million people waiting to come to this country legally. i do not hear anybody talking about them. wouldn't that be positive and stabilize if they get what they want a biased the government by shutting the government down. these people coming from the border are going to go to the welfare office, they are going to get food stamps. they are going to drain our economy. host: using those -- a shutdown to capitalize on emphasizing those topics.

guest: i think the caller has a important perspective. there are a lot of legitimate differences about how we should be pursuing different issues like immigration or ukraine, whatever it might be. my proposition would be a, those disputes are the regular order dispute not shutting the government down is a little bit like, i'm trying to think of the right metaphor. it is a little bit light, you have differences of opinion about how you want to organize. you compromise, negotiate. you go to the polls and see who wins the election. you can decide then how you want to organize the household. things like shutting the government down are hurtful to everybody.

i do not think those are appropriate choices for demonstrating differences in policies. the people who will get hurt are all of us, the american people. it will cost all of us that, a lot more, billions of dollars more to shut the government down and keep it open. it will undercut the ability of our government to deal with future problems. it will hurt people in the here and now. for the political leadership to figure this out without destroying the underlying asset, which is our federal government. host: sherry is next in north carolina. democrats line. caller: am i on? ok. my concern is the projection

shows that we spent 79 percent of all federal revenue for social security and other social programs. the projection in 10 years 50 percent of the revenue would go for total revenue. total revenue would go to interest on the debt. i do not see any answers about this going on with government that could possibly make that situation tolerable. a few 18 years to try to solve the problem that if you wait 10 years to try to solve the problems that is a big issue in my opinion. guest: the question about the sustainability, our expenditures as a country is a very real one. an increase in interest rate puts more pressure on the budget . this is a issue that is

long-standing and is our general budget as well as health care issues. really important issues for our political leaders to confront. there are different perspectives on how to address them. the choice of shutting the government down is a very full way of addressing it. if you shut the government down you make the situation worse. he hurt taxpayers, you create if we are meant to address our budget issues we need to make choices and prioritize. to shut the government down is one of the counter active things we need to do.

host: we have a viewer off of x that asks what happens if we have that government shutdown for an entire year, what happens if it goes down for several weeks. can you compare what people might see when it comes to the impacts of government services in the works that we talked about? guest: the government is going to be doing everything it can. they are going to try to make sure that critical services are getting to the public no matter what. the damage, which is substantial and real in many ways is going to be hidden and not visible. there will be certain things that will be obvious to the general public, things like the national parks being closed. there are going to be issues that get worse over time. things like the air traffic control system, where you have

-- the workers will be forced to do the work without receiving paychecks while they are working. that is a crazy thing. that is going to have a long-term cost. there will be more attrition. all of that stuff will be shut down. it is going to be insidious in terms of the harm that is done to our government's ability to serve the public the federal workforce will be worn down. we saw that in the last time in 2018, 20 19 where you frankly saw a --tsa security ancients who wants more were forced to work without being paid, security agents who were forced to work without being paid. think about it, having federal

employees go to food banks and then go to work. that is what you are seeing in 2018 and 2019. presumably if the shutdown happens and goes on for an extended time, that is going to happen again. there are longer-term harms. all sorts of things that are important that will take place once more kind of behind the curtains. the longer it goes, the more things will break down and more obvious it will be to the public. you will have federal employees and leadership in the government try to view their job of helping people. the tension between trying to reduce the pain, none the less the government will be faltering. host: the conversation is with max stier. let's hear from julie in south carolina. independent line.

caller: good morning. you talk about the federal employees and how hard they work . that may be true. i own a business, i go to my local post office every week. you know what i see when i walk in, to of the employees on their cell phones. the federal workers are not concerned that they have job security. when i was growing up, they said get a federal job and work for a post office. why? they take care of their own. this holding is out of control. half of the people who called the show cannot complete a full sentence. please wake up, people.

please. guest: ok. i do not work for the government. i work for a nonprofit organization. a lots of legitimate different opinions about what our government should do they gorse small. ----big or small. no organization works right if you shut it down for a political dispute. no federal employees deserved that they need to work and not get a paycheck. there is no other workforce that is dedicated to the public good and keeping us safe. it is entirely appropriate to demand more from our government, to expected to serve the public in an increasingly better way to

root out fraud and abuse. if you focus on good, you will create more good than any other tactic. shutting it down is fully. bullish is two-week of a word. it is going to undermine our country safety in a world with many risks we have today is a huge mistake. we should deal with our differences in right way, not with blowing up the system. host: date viewer says the incentive should be the existing budget carries over for a full year. what does your research show as far as this idea of regular order, that congress is supposed to do in order to keep us from this point of a potential shutdown? guest: very important to talk about congress.

there are a lot of people working. in shutdown, members of congress will be getting their paycheck. the people who will be working for them will not. the members will. the members will not have done their job if they actually do not pass an appropriation. the last time all 12 appropriation bills exist were passed in regular order on time was in 1997. that is a terrible record. we will all celebrate the existence of a continuing resolution. that is a poor way to manage our government as well. that is the congresses responsibility. i think there's some good legislation senators who have proposed legislation that would preclude members of congress of

getting paid and conclude them from being able to apply out on the taxpayers dime. keeping congress in session, having a continued resolution. lots of ideas. i hope it will incentivize congress to solve this for future days. nothing special about the fact that we risk these shutdown . this is a horrible choice that should be taken off the table for the future. host: beverly is in georgia. republican line from max stier. caller: i am frustrated with our government, especially congress because you have the hardliners who are super conservative. they are forcing things through.

they are saying they are only allowing the budget to go through if you impeach biden. they are still not voting to push the bill through. i think our whole congress needs to sit there and talk together, republicans and democrats talk together on how to make a budget and make it go through. we all know how to make a budget when we first grow up and pay your bills. anything after that is bonus. we all need to put on our big boy pants and work together. guest: it is hard to argue with that. this is their job. it is one of their primary responsibilities is to fund our

government. they decide what directions our government should be taking and provide the money to make it happen for those responsibilities that are based on annual appropriations, they need to do it. it is their job, they should get it done. host: the partnership for public service you can find online at their website, max stier, president and ceo. thanks as always for giving us your time. coming up, too guest of congress will join us there at of the morning. you will meet rich mccormick to talk about the latest when it comes to funding the government. later on, john larson, not only to talk about that but the social security and his efforts to change it. those conversations coming up on

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this is going to have to play itself out. i am curious to see. the most experienced people do not have an idea exactly how this is going to play out. host: what do you think are the major hitches when it comes to those --that lack of consensus? guest: as we gained two, we lose to. some people are fixated on ukraine, some people are fixated we have not done enough to cut the deficit. other people have the procedural questions. they do not think we finish the appropriations at the same time. i think some people are a little unfair in their expectations. i think everyone is doing their best to hold everyone hostage over a few people who are doing their best is also unfair. it's going to be interesting to

see if we can come to a consensus. host: to what degree do you support a shutdown? guest: i would rather not have a shutdown. it doesn't help us control the narrative. if we have a shutdown, the president is standing by to make this as painful as possible. i do not think it is going to help us with messaging, the conservatism. it is not good to help us with getting the build on that is good to save the american taxpayers any type of substantial savings. host: where do you stand on those bills as far as your support for them? guest: most of the appropriation process has been exactly how it is supposed to. we have authorized, we voted and it has gone back to appropriation.

that is exactly what we promised people what we are going to do. i do not think i have any problems, particularly then one bill i am waiting on research numbers because i think we have spent entirely too much money on research that is not effective, especially when we know the answers already. host: can you elaborate on that? guest: a question i have on 170 $4 million on researching obesity and diabetes. obviously we know exercise and eating right is the key to solving diabetes. i do not know what we have a continual study that should be done and completed already where we know the answers. this wasn't always a problem with the community.

this problem with the sedentary lifestyle that has been encouraged in the demographic created by the u.s. government. i do not need a study to tell me that, i certainly do not need to spend one 74 million to tell me that. i get we should be involved in concerned about the health care problem, but we do not need to be spending money on research, we need to be spending money on solving the problem. host: our guest with us until nine. democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. does your support stop if ukraine funding is added? guest: no. people understand my position to discuss the history in the context of our support for ukraine.

to support the ukraine in this effort to exist -- resist and evading -- that was illegal. i think not supporting them would be harmful to our relationship with the entire european union. i am not a globalist, i am into global leadership. i feel if we do not do our part, somebody else will step into that. china is stepping into this. host: i want to ask you to follow up with that, your georgia colleague sent out a tweet about that. you can respond to her but also

the sentiment. guest: it is not a blank check. to think that we do not have accountability is ridiculous. i specifically put in ig which was put into the law or something that should be a law soon, that is to make sure we have really good accountability. we have way more ukraine than we ever had in afghanistan. i have seen the government that was corrupt, even though we have so many problems in america into have a government that is pretty functional and accountable he has been on top of this or he wants accountability, he wants to do what is right and when the war. when you talk about voting, i get it, some people do not want has to be in ukraine. i respect it.

we had a controversy on every war we have ever been in. we are not in this war. we have taken out 50 percent of the russian army. two 50,000 russian casualties. this is hurting their efforts way more than ours. this is making sure we do not have something broader. putin has been very specific about not just invading ukraine, also lithuania, he wants the old russian empire. he stated this. we can only secure our borders by expanding them. putin very much believes in that. it is in our interest, america first to protect europe from an invasion. host: representative richard

mccormick here for the conversation. our first call comes from jack. caller: good morning. i think what is happening now shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. we have individuals in congress and every other idiotic conspiracy theory you could think of. they do not believe in government. or they are more interested in performative nonsense and idiotic statements on twitter and stuff. nobody should be surprised. the republican congress do not call these people out, they mainstream these individuals, they give them a voice. here we are. we are at a point where we cannot pass a budget. guest: ok. i will say this. you can spend your entire time calling out congress, quite

frankly it does not help because it does not change their mind, it only galvanizes people. i always said inside of our party, if you want real influence instead of winning an argument, try to win a friend. if you want to change their mind, you really have to befriend them and try to get inside why they think the way they do. that is how you have a real influence. that is how we need to change the political discussion to is have a same conversation about what is meant to happen if we move forward. there's a huge dispute between two parties. what started this is one site does not believe. it is ok to support monetary theory that you can continuing to spend debt and more debt, unfortunately that is not the case. we are the world standard for currency. unfortunately, you have a debt

to gdp ratio. it if that continues we could lose our global position and that would hurt our economy in drastic way. caller: i am concerned about what the republicans are doing here even though i am a republican. i can understand how these bills were not passed in july when they were supposed to be. there is no reason or excuse they should be passed. this is a complete catastrophe. i do not know if you have seen what we spend our money on in ukraine. we spend 20 $8 million on military aid only. it it is nowhere near the 110 billion we spend. $70 billion on running their government and social programs.

if you want to support the military, that is one thing. that is an embarrassment. i do not know where kevin mccarthy is on all of this. why wasn't he on top of this to get the work done russian market seems like he does not want it. --work done? it seems like he does not want it. i am really upset with them. i do not know how you are going to correct this. guest: one thing we want to talk about when we talk about appropriation bills, we are going to get a lot done this year. we have been slow in agreeing but we have not gone through this process in a very long time. you want to talk about what parties are good at what. the democrats have been very good at omnibus bills.

that is why our debt has swollen by a massive amount. which has put us into inflation. if you want to talk about responsibility, that is our responsibility, making sure we do spend the money correctly. then we could really talk about responsibility. when you talk about money for training in ukraine, there is one hundred thousand troops in poland, that cost money. everybody's military has an expense. training is a real part of the expense of ukraine. you cannot forget about the economy. that is where they export their steel and their grain and other exports. if they do not have the ability, which russia has shut down.

remember, they are rail system does not match up to the western rail system. if you starve the we and the government collapses, the military does not matter. you have to support the economy otherwise the government will collapse. they need to do a better job of completing the roadway conversion and making sure they are getting the trade-ins. if you do not support the economy and they collapse, what good is a army anyway? host: how would you characterize speaker mccarthys management of the situation? guest: i think he has done a good job of bringing everyone into a room. every time we have the ability to solve a problem it is --you think we have everyone agreeing but then all of a sudden someone pops up. when someone uses one point that nobody else agrees with and combined with somebody who has another point, we are not really

trying to solve one issue we are trying to softer issues in order to get five people across the finish line -- solve three issues in order to get five people across the finish line. in his unique. i do not know how else you solve this or he has brought everybody into the table and given everybody an opportunity to give their opinion on how to solve this. we have different people in the spectrum of conservativism. to what degree have you reached out to other representatives to try to resolve these issues? guest: i have reached out. some people are dug in on their issues. have you ever been to church and seen people disagree on the bible, you can imagine those questions. we are talking experienced

lawyers disagreed with the constitution ever since it has been written. i tried to do my part. host: cleveland, ohio. independent line. guest: how come we can send money to everybody else --caller: how come we can see send money to everyone else. i cannot just say, i cannot pay my bills. you guys just do not get it. i hope they get rid of all of the people. i'm sorry to say that. you guys got to go. . guest: 70% of the republican caucus has been replaced in the last few years. we have a high turnover rate. the process --it is only going to be frustrating for people

because it was made to be frustrating and slow. incremental change. but as like you have the balance of power appeared the reason why it is inefficient is too great and inefficient government so it will not become too powerful. that frustrates people when they want things done quickly it does not happen. that is by design. it is the magic of our government. it is supposed to be inefficient and hard to make one person the powerful or one particular group powerful. that is what keeps the power of the people pertinent to our discussion. one nation that was founded on people over a government. it is a good thing we are not to efficient. i understand it is frustrating. host: i understand you are doing all of the work to keep the government what is the point of doing it if the government does not pass it? guest: that is the natural

process. it has been very rare when we have an agreement in government for more than two years for the last couple of decades. whenever we transfer presidency over to the other party, it seems there is a natural process that people want or they have been voted on the last couple of decades because they understand. we have that balance, you do not have that much change. drastic change is very hard on a businessperson. i understand the frustration. when you do have control of the house, cement and presidency, things are always tensions and you have to compromise. that is exactly what our government was based on. host: if the senate does fast and sends it over to the house, is that something you would support and he would encourage speaker mccarthy to support? guest: we are not doing a cr, cr

means you are continuing right where you are at. we want to address the problem. the senate and the president do not seem to understand the debt crisis. they do not understand the amount of money we are spending on debt, interest payments are becoming overwhelming and consuming a large portion of our budget. pretty soon everything in our budget is going to be a nondiscretionary. what is the point and coming to work at that point? when you bankrupt the country it is no longer america first. we have to think of america as a global leader, standard of currency and a global impact in florence on the entire economy. right now we are not taking this debt seriously. host: democrats line. caller: i consider myself a blue dog democrat. financially conservative in that respect. i have got three recommendations to save all of this money.

how about auditing the military budget and posting a line by line. don't tell me that this day and age that we can't come whether it is through artificial intelligence or computing, post everything we are spending and posted as far as how much we are spending on the one hundred million dollar plane that just crashed or how much we are spending on contractors, it is not even considered our military the contractors that we are paying to go do whatever. eliminate the pension for everybody in the government. except police, first responders, military, firefighters, anybody that post their body at risk and wears their body out. everybody else, including congress do not need to be seating at the trough and getting pensions. really nice health care that the rest of us have to put our money away for.

also, post your salaries. number three, term limits. i appreciate your response to that. guest: term limits i support. i think there is a very unfair concept of what congress gets. we have not had a pay raise in 16 years. i think it should be linked into a military rank structure and no one can complain about it. it is posted. we know exactly how much we make. one 75,000 a year. it takes a huge paycheck to be in congress. frankly, our retirement plan is no better than anybody else, you got to pay into it, it is a 401. i do have retirement in the military. health care plan is affordable

care act. it is the same thing everybody else has. i know congressman who are required by law who had to pay more for their crappy insurance policy because that is the law. to think that congress has some kind of golden parachute or phenomenal health -- is misleading, not fair. i am not saying that we have it all that hard. we do not. i think it is a great job and has a great responsibility. we still go through hardships your ad do-nothing compensation is the issue. if you want to talk about fairness, there's a ton of --. that is what we are trying to do is line by line go over the budget. there's always going to be fraud and abuse. this is why i say go back to we have our automatic spending, which is largely the biggest problem. almost three quarters is nondiscretionary.

we have almost half a trillion dollars in waste in the health care role. let's see where the real race is in where it is not helping people. anyone who spent 20 years in government service has a pension. just like other people's pension where you pay into it. host: government funding does expire you will still get paid but your staff will not. guest: that is why we will not want to shut down. it doesn't matter for me, it is the people who are living off of paycheck-to-paycheck. i do not do that. i have not done that since i was a marine. a lot of people do.

it is very consequential. that is why we do not want to have a shutdown. host: host: denise on the republican line. --caller: i believe the united states is based on a lot good qualities and values. we always salute the flag and sing to be flagged. i think that is a great thing and we need to continue. why don't we do contracts for these countries that are coming over and seeing we need two trillion for this and two trillion for that? everything is quadrupled the price of what it usually is. and next year's trend is going to end up being 10 trillion. who pays for it? the taxpayers. i understand the profession of people in the higher levels.

the people in the lower levels make exactly the opposite of what you guys are making but we do just as much hard work. we are all type the same human being. we work endlessly for the last pay. i do not think the professions have anything to do with it. we need to make everyone equal as far as pay. if you're willing to stop getting paid for a year or two, that is the way it should go. live off the money you already make because we are over here still making money and we cannot catch up. guest: i am not a socialist. i do not believe everyone should make the same, that is why you go to school, that is why you run for office, that is why you go to residency. that is why you spend 20 years of your life just so you can get a little bit more money to require a higher skill. there is not a country in the world were you pay ever one the

same. that is why you work hard to advance yourself if you want to make more money. not everybody has the same skill. that is life. that is capitalism. even in the military, the better people got promoted and do you have a high rank and higher salary. that is what america has already been based on. there are people who are coming here from other countries who would love america. they can work a 16 -- 60 hour week and get ahead. i do not believe in that. i think when you talk about the trillions of dollars people asking for we spend a small portion overseas, but that's what gives us leverage. our leverage that we have gives

us global leadership and keeps us out of war. that is an important investment. i think i will continue to support that because you are gaining dollars back on your pennies have investment when caller: yes sir. mr. mccormick could you tell the people against us being in ukraine that we brokered an act between ukraine and russia in 1996. that way russia felt better about having nato close to its borders. and also the fact that ukrainians have nuclear weapons.

that was part of the deal. to give up their weapons for russia -- guest: you bring up good points. that accord we signed and it was russia and the united states. it did not just protect ukraine but other small countries. at the time ukraine was the third -- in the world. and then we signed a nonaggression pact saying they were invaded. ironically russia find that also. we find unanimously with nato to ukraine. we have two fractional that few contracts and all obligations. people say it is a war agree but it is not in the writing. when you break the law it does not apply to anything after that. there was a lot to unpack with

ukraine which is why we need to spend more on that. once again if you look at the european union it is 2:1 with aid. they absorb the refugees, they provided an alliance with the military. it is hard to have the counteroffensive if you do not have the weaponry. so i -- to fight the third largest army in the world. we need to do our part like we promised. host: representative rich mccormick thank you for your time. guest: my pleasure. host: a half hour from now we will be joined by democrat john larson. talk about the government shutdownndhe changes to social sy.

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line as an independent. they have a stopgap measure that will not include money for aid for ukraine. that is with sources familiar with the talk. senate majority leader chuck schumer and mitch mcconnell wanted to avoid a government shutdown. and -- the leader is still negotiating. the money for ukraine will be far less than the 24 billion that president biden requested according to the people familiar with the plan. if you watch what happens in congress today on the effort to keep the government from shutting down on the senate side you can go to c-span 2 and follow along. and the house of representatives also coming into take a vote to see if they will pass the appropriation bills. you can follow along on our app or on this channel.

or you can watch at our website at c-span.org. again your thoughts on a shutdown happening, congress returning to work on these issues. democrat line we hear from jason to started off in ohio. go ahead. caller: good morning sir. thank you c-span. i do not think they are serious about passing a spending bill. they were told to just shut down. everything you see is a performance with folks like mr. gates, mr. green, mr. jordan, they are doing a job that is just a scam i think. nothing serious has come out of the house yet this year since the republicans have taken control. host: from cj in madison wisconsin republican line. you are. hello. caller: hello.

thank you for taking my call. i believe speaker mccarthy is in a tough spot he is in a coalition. but i think republicans are serious about addressing our debt situation. i may be born yesterday he is approaching owing $100,000 -- a baby born yesterday is approaching owing $100,000 the day they are born. i believe they are trying to address this issue and it is a political strategy by the president and democrats to not address it. they want it to fall to republicans but i think the republicans taking a stand, a serious stand is something the country finally needs to do. host: so, do you support a shutdown so to speak? caller: temporarily, yes.

until the democrats are serious and not looking at political strategy this will never be addressed. we have serious spending issues in this country and with the amount of illegals crossing the border, it is sad to see. i appreciate your time. host: rudy in san diego, independent line. you are next. go ahead. caller: ok i believe we should not close down the government. the republicans care about the rich and all these people are old, the republicans are struggling like we are. we don't need to because the democrats care about the people. the republicans care about the race. when trump was president, everybody says we were this and that but they ignored obama. host: ok but how does that relate to the shutdown issue? caller: yeah because the

republicans do not care about the people. the people, not just the country are struggling. the world is struggling. we need to get on our feet. the democrats are helping the people get on their feet. we have so much homeless it is unbelievable. we shut down the government we will have more homeless. host: let's hear from john we set aside a line for federal workers to get there comments. here in baltimore. go ahead. caller: hello this is john. can you hear me? host: you are on. go ahead. caller: ok, yeah, so, this is obviously going to affect government workers and we are going to have to basically stop working for some period of time and stop being paid in that period. host: which category would you be with being a federal worker?

would you have to stop working or would you need to keep working and not get paid? caller: stop working and not get paid during that period of time. host: you are a federal worker? caller: i am a federal worker and we are already preparing for a shutdown. the effect of the shutdown is that we do not work, we are not allowed to work. we are not allowed to answer emails or do anything related to work during a shutdown. we are also not paid during that period of time. host: in baltimore one of the people commenting on the current condition of keeping the government open -- particularly as the senate works on the short-term resolution that they send to the house. but the white house press secretary adds to the daily briefing that takes place and you can see it on our website but here is a portion from yesterday. >> i was clear on friday and

secretary vilsack was clear before he walked out of the room. this is something for house republicans to get done. this is a deal that the president made with republicans back in may. and a deal is a deal as we have been saying. this is something they have to fix. they have to get this done, not because of us, not because of even the deal with the president, but because of the american people. we heard the secretary of agriculture lay out what will happen to women and children. 7 million children are part of the wic program across the country. 7 million if the shutdown happens. this is indeed a republican shut down so they got to get to it, they've got to fix it, and they've got to stick to the deal that the president made with them earlier in the summer. host: so when the press briefing takes place in washington dc we record it and we give you the ability to look at it on our

platforms. you have the ability to look at it on our website or the app also. we have martha on the democrat line. hi. caller:hi, how are you? to me they are a disgrace. all the years i've been voting this is the first time i have ever, ever, ever seen somebody be so ignorant. this ain't nothing but ignorant children. there are children, 12 and 13-year-olds can come there and do a better job. it is sickening, very sick ening. and we need to pray because these people do not need to be an washington dc. we need to pray them out of there because they are nothing but a disgrace playing with the

country. playing and everybody is laughing at us. host: go ahead and finish your thought. caller: i just feel sorry for them, i really do because they are just like a bunch of little bitty children. host: ok that is martha in north carolina let's hear from james, new york, republican line. caller: good morning i just wanted to comment on something your previous guest you had on said. with bankruptcy. state governments cannot declare bankruptcy. that man was straight up lighting -- lying to everybody. that is ridiculous and everybody that keeps talking about the fed, my party, the republican party -- they are the one who cut the taxes to make the debt. the democrats are the only ones who have the courage to raise

taxes on anybody. host: let me ask you first and foremost, are you republican? caller: yes i have been voting republican my whole life. and this current house, these last six years have made me seriously question whether or not i want to be associated with them. the republican has become deeply unserious about running the american government. this is all a disgrace. host: that is james in new york. you can continue on the time. if you want to call it is democrats (202) 748-8000, republicans (202) 748-8001, independence (202) 748-8002. and federal workers out there it is the same number you can text us at (202) 748-8003. the debate ever poked -- presidential candidates is

taking place later this week. look out for that on c-span. and washington times reporting later this week of the impeachment inquiry that house republicans are launching, the witness list has been put out. this is what you can expect to hear from. eileen o'connor and bruce skip minsky and -- another witness. lawmakers plan to provide a detail of bank accounts and financial record and witness testimony to show that mr. biden acted corruptly. he is denying any involvement in his son's business dealing. thursday is when it will launch. you can see that live at 10:00 on c-span3. follow along on c-span now or you can follow at c-span.org. patty is next in baltimore, maryland. independent line.

caller: hi, good morning. a couple topics i do not see brought up. you have to have the confidence to negotiate. you cannot have somebody saying my way or the highway for the government. things do not get done. no one is talking about this. yes, federal workers will likely be paid afterwards but the work that they should be getting paid for ins up getting done. so taxpayers end up paying twice because of the work that has not been done and piled up. and then they say this is about redoing the debt -- reducing the debt. if you want to reduce the debt you have to increase revenue. i do not understand why congress -- the best way to get government to increase revenue is to sort the tax code. that cannot be done with the irs -- not being able to enforce the law.

many people take advantage and do not do their fair share. yes individuals do take advantage and do not pay their taxes. the ones that make the most money are the ones that use loopholes and do not follow the law. there is no way we can run a government without that revenue. host: let's hear from michelle, wisconsin, democrat line. hello. caller: good morning. host: good morning. caller: as far as the shutdown. i know the republicans are talking about spending too much money, they forget when donald trump was the president they spent the most money on everything. so, now we have a situation here and yet they think it is ok that they did that under trump. it happens to be the highest spending and our history as far as i know.

so republicans need to get on board and work with the democrats if they are going to sell because it is like playground antics in paradise would be republican -- we are adults not schoolkids. this needs to be done and it does not need to step down to make that shut down to make it happen. people are getting away without paying their taxes. that should not be happening. host: senate and house both making efforts to keep the government from shutting down at the end of the week. a lot of efforts to do that. you can watch what plays out on capitol hill. we would like your thoughts on that. you can call the lines or post on social media. as this happens look out today as well for our network coverage of president biden's visit to michigan today to strike with the uaw workers. they are talking about the business and reminding what the

striking workers are looking for. they say all the lawmakers are offering raises around 20% over four years. they say they constitute their best offered in -- offer in decades. meet all stryker demands but they have the costly transition to electric vehicles. the president will be out there and former president trump will make a speech to those workers thursday. we will look at that how it plays out on the network, on our app and on the website. chris, independent, alabama, hello. caller: hello. i believe with another caller have to balance your check. there is revenue and spending and it seems like nobody is addressing revenue. it is as simple as balancing a checkbook. as far as shutting down the government nobody should be paid including the supreme court

justice, the president, congress, all the staff members they should not be paid for not working and they should not be reimbursed at the end when the government darts backup. -- starts back up. thank you. host: chris independent line from indianapolis. hello. caller: hello. for the disabled to draw social security -- one person said it took me 18 months to get a check. 18 months without no income in my house. i never, i worked all my life and i do not understand how we have social security or benefits and never pay into it. i don't understand that. 18 months without a check. host: in your thoughts on a potential shutdown this week? caller: with the potential of the shutdown i have to balance my budget. i do not understand why they cannot balance the budget.

it takes more money to have an outcome in the in. i came in my house and -- in the country. something has to be done with the balance. you cannot spend more money than you have coming in. host: rodney and indianapolis. just to show you the story from the associated rest concerning new jersey democrat senator bob menendez reporting that he defiantly pushed back against federal corruption charges monday see -- saying nearly half $1 million of cash that authorities found at home where his personal savings not from bride. -- bribe. the senate said he believed he cleared the charges and that he had an illegal exchange for helping new jersey business associates. here is a report -- and him yes -- a statement from him yesterday. >> throughout my 30 years i have always worked to hold

accountable the countries including egypt are human rights abuses, repression of -- and civil society and more. those who are attempting to align my actions as it relates to egypt simply do not know the facts. third, for 30 years i have withdrawn thousands of dollars in cash from my personal savings account which i have cap for emergencies and because of the history of my family facing confiscation in cuba. this may seem old-fashioned, but these were moneys drawn from my personal savings account based on the income that i have more that has derived over the past 30 years. i look forward to addressing other issues in trial. 401 to speak directly to the people of new jersey -- four, i want to address the people of new jersey directly. i have worked hard all my life

on behalf of new jerseyans and all americans. some say that i have lost the trust of the people of new jersey. that could not be more wrong. host: more available on our platform. here is cassie in california democrat line. caller: yes, this is cassie, i was looking back and our federal government and it was in the 70's and 80's where we had a chance where they could have been a government shutdown because of [indiscernible] anyway, in all my years -- [indiscernible] --yes the government shuts down

and you give everything you want to republicans. and -- a person who would have -- per capita. i think everybody knows who i am talking about. and i am calling -- [indiscernible] -- january 6 insurrection. and the reason i am calling is because my dad -- [indiscernible] --[indiscernible] --it was all because of trump and trump was telling people to shut down. host: ok that is kathy. a couple things to watch out on the network today. 12:30 this afternoon virginia governor glenn youngkin talking about his priority for the 2023 virginia election and other

topics he will speak in washington dc. the conversation is at 12:30 on c-span 2, c-span now, and c-span.org. and veterans affairs hearing -- the benefits and claims being lost to the hundred thousand of veterans and survivors. that hearing on technology modernization 3:00 on c-span3 and the app and c-span.org. norman is next in new york city. republican line. caller: yes, i just want to say that down -- the billionaires spending more money than -- the federal government. host: shana is next from new jersey. independent line. hello. . caller: hello i noticed the republicans for the last 30

years have caused all of the government shutdowns. i think they are holding our country hostage to avert legislation that could address the budget issues. it is basically going around the legislative process. i think we need to find a way to stop that or at least eliminate it to where it is done effectively. and nothing also when it comes to -- and i think also when it comes to the talks with the country with the taxpayers subsidizing about 20 billion each year on oil i think we can certainly find a way. host: tommy from kentucky. democrat line. caller: yes, i was wanting to say that mr. trump now -- it is like he is president already in telling who needs -- like general molly. that is dictator talk. host: how does that relate to

the shutdown? caller: pardon? host: how does that relate to the shut this week? caller: the shutdown is related because the republicans along to maga and all these other radical groups. my opinion is if they cannot have the money their selves they want to for the half-dozen. so they do this. it is the same thing to me as if trump never had shutdowns. i wonder why they are shutting down biden every time it comes up. they did not do that to trump and maga they make america great, and america has always been great and we always will be. we will overcome this. nothing ever stopped america from being a democracy and they are trying to take it into

fascism. i promise anybody i spent my time in the military. host: ok nbc just to give context when it comes to president influence on the debate of the shutdown, talks about opposing the distorting history of the budget battle and highlights the fact that former president trump became an exception after he had a 35 day shutdown from january 2016 to january 2019 the longest one in history. democrats held firm in the former president back down and agreed to reopen the government without having secured any concessions. it goes to say after monday after the president's calls he wants to have a short-term bill released so that they can resolve differences over a large funding measure. that is from abc news. and polling does when these kind of events happen the morning consult saying they just took their latest poll saying 46% of

voters fighting between republican and democrats is responsible for disagreement on funding the government despite the fighting amongst house republicans. and others say it is due to republicans agreeing to appropriations for federal agencies. 22% say they did not know. there is more at the morning consult website and the hill reporting on it. we set a sign of -- we set aside a line of federal workers so they can give their input on how it could affect them. this is jen from california, go ahead. caller: good morning. c-span and pedro. i am actually a retired federal employee but i have been employed, i was employed for every shutdown starting in the 1990's. all proposed by republicans. [laughter] and now that i am in

my golden years i'm not feeling really golden. i do not like our government being run by two people, matt gaetz and marjorie taylor greene. they are holding us -- a few things against us. it is not right and our credit rating will take a hit. all of our 401(k)s will go down no matter what. it is ridiculous. they put in all that tax cuts under the previous administration and then they wonder why we are lacking in funds. you know, maybe they need to raise taxes on these people that are making hand over fist. host: ok jennifer in california. last call thank you to all who are'tis abated. one legislator -- who participated. one ledger stater -- legislator will join us. we will have a conversation

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people and do a job we are elected to do and govern and take up the appropriations bills and pass them and move on. but as you point out, the senate will deliver a clean -- and by that for the viewers it means that one that is not filled with all what we would say poison pills that prevent people from voting on it. i think that is the right approach. it is the one that should be followed. but speaker mccarthy -- can corral his members into doing so and if not these come across the aisle and give us a clean cr. you may find that it is widely received by democrats. host: there is a bipartisan bill by the problem solvers caucus where they want to use to put a discharge condition on the floor for a vote. do you think democrats will rally behind that? guest: it is possible. the easiest way is to find --

take the clean cr that the fit -- senate finds. but i think it is nice that people are working together where they are they are problem solvers, republicans, democrats, to make sure the government state functions. that helps the american people area there is a lot at stake that is not seen immediately evident. for many it seems like a similar political talk wash table discussion between federal place and police officers, firefighters, israel and it is not a stress they should be going through. they are elected to do a job and have responsibility to run and operate during our time in office. host: you talk about the appropriations bill that are being considered. are you working to move those forward? guest: i have not seen the rule

but as long as it is a clean rule, yes i'm on board. it depends on what they have in a specific bill met in this case we are meeting in connecticut with our farmers as well going back to the flooding that occurred this last spring early summer. we are devastated and we need these emergency funds so that we can provide the relief to so many individuals. host: talking about a clean bill some of those potentially money for ukraine. are you on board with that ? guest: yes despite what marjorie taylor greene would have to say, i think it is important to fund ukraine. the united states has taken the lead i have commanded the biden administration for the way they are handling this and to let

president zelenskyy know that we are on his side. it was shameful i thought that he was not allowed by the speaker to address the united states congress even for that matter meet with members of the health intelligence committee and interested members so that he can explain to them what their situation is. again, ask for our help. host: our guest is with us until 10:00. if you want to ask questions it is democrats (202) 748-8000, republicans (202) 748-8001, independents (202) 748-8002. representative larson over the last couple weeks any on social security have called the program asking if the shutdown happens what happens them can you elaborate what they may accept? guest: they are rightfully concerned. anybody on social security can you imagine, the last time congress enhanced social security was 52 years ago. richard nixon was the president. so people should be concerned in

general. with 10,000 baby boomers a day becoming eligible for social security there will be more than 70 million of our fellow americans who will be relying on their social security. congress has not enhanced this in 52 years. so, yes, there is concern etc. about the federal employees who are already under stress. in fact, there needs to be great thing at the social security administration exactly as stated . 10,000 baby boomers a day becoming eligible the public and budgets? cut continued cuts to vote the administration. and cuts to the program itself. as you go forward.

this is extraordinarily harmful the american people do not need to pay for it nor should congress. we need to have a vote to enhance social security and make sure we are delivering on the behalf of the american people. host: just to clarify if by the end of the week if the shutdown happens, the recipients will still receive money? guest: yes, things will be slower and it will be covered to get phone answers and so on but they will receive money. host: ok representative larson will share about the social security in a bit but we have some colors. david up first. you were on. caller: my baby girl is -- [indiscernible]

bashes are going to help people on that down the line? guest: ok i who -- i had a little difficulty understanding what he said they are. i apologize to you that -- to you. can you repeat that? host: he ask about the issue of social security. guest: those are rightfully so. the social security trust fund is solid. we remain so through 2034 but if congress does nothing which it has not in 52 years, i take that back, 83, they did do something. they made social security solvent but they did so by raising the age and nothing for your listeners out there they need to understand for every year you raise the age that is a 7% cut in benefit. the logic behind raising the age is that well you know people are living longer so therefore should -- they should work longer. if you're living longer does it

make sense that you should live longer unless? because every year you raise the age with a 7% cut. the republican study committee it is called raising the age to 70 that would be a 21% cut. if congress itself does not act the current trust fund in 2034 there will be an across-the-board cut because of the pandemic some said that may move up closer to 2033 in terms of social security funding and a cut. we should be talking about strengthening and enhancing social security. you know, we have more than 5 million of our fellow americans who work all their lives and pay into social security and get below poverty level checks. how is it, only in washington could there be conversation where there are tax cuts for the

wealthy where those amongst us who have paid into a system, social security is an earned benefit, but the congress has not kept pace with where social security and where the people needed to be. that is why we have introduced a bill in the house. bernie sanders, elizabeth warren and -- warren, sherry brown, and others in the senate. there is ample amount of opportunity. these are the things we should be concentrating on. north carolina should not be worried and concerned -- because president biden has said social security has the full faith in credit and sacred trust of the american government to its people. host: let's go to the republican line, maryland this is marcus. go ahead. caller: good morning congressman. let me say i do agree with you that we need to fix social security, there was no doubt about that, the problem is

social security was a scheme from the get go. there is the idea that there would be more people paying into at them would be receiving benefits. it is actually, you know i do agree with you but i have to say there is an exception with one of the challenges you made a few minutes ago about -- about the so-called mega republicans. it leads me to believe that you do not truly understand the constitution. and i will not take too long on this, but i will tell you -- i bring up the historical facts. in 1791 james madison stood on the floor of congress because congress was thinking about sending, i think it was about $17,000 to french refugees. and madison stood on the floor of the house and said i ask any elected official to come up and put their finger on that passage in the constitution that says

our government should be spending the people's money for the purposes of benevolence. and i do not think we need to be spending billions of dollars to send somebody else's border, i'm sorry about ukraine, but we cannot take care of our own border. three parts of our economy is hinged on things doing with benevolence. there is nothing in the constitution that allows that. we move it over that people actually depend on government -- big daddy government for everything. host: ok thank you. guest: it is hard on where to begin but clearly i do not think americans feel that social security is a scheme. more than 40% of all americans on social security this is the only pension they have. mark we do not have to go back to 1929 and the great crash, all

we have to do is go back to 2008 and 2009 when people saw their 401(k) become a 101 k. during that same time social security never missed a payment. not a pension payment, not a disability payment, disability that more veterans rely on than they do the v.a., you can call that benevolent spending, but these are people that actually have paid into a system. it has been the governments's fault that it has not responded and made sure that the program the day had is an insurance program. you look at your paystub and it says fica. that is federal insurance contribution. whose? the contribution of every american who has worked and paid into the system.

that is why it is vitally important that we fix and enhance the system because so many several americans rely on this for basic survival. it also happens to be one of the best economic development plans we have. i develop a social security card for every member of congress. it shows how many recipients they have in the district. on average about 145,000. then also but how much money comes in monthly to your district. there is no better economic development plan then people who receive social security. they put the money right back on the district on groceries, heating and cooling their homes, pharmaceuticals, doctor visits. every community thrives and it is long overdue. that congress adjust this and enhance it and the money comes

right back into our system especially during these inflationary times where the gruesome -- group most impacted by inflation are on fixed income. that would be people with social security. host: do you think people who get social security will have to supplement other means of income? guest: i think people who get social security as i said for more than 40% of all americans that is the only pension they will receive. but americans certainly, all americans should think about -- fair social security. the average social security recipient a male gets $18,000 and a female gets $14,000. as i indicated before we have more than 5 million americans who get below $12,500 how do you live on that? it is important, chairman neal

by the ways and means committee, we have to make it easier for people to also payroll and invest where they can in outside resources so they can augment the social security because as you point out, it is not that, in and of itself it is barely subsidence to get by. 40% of americans said that is the only thing they have. host: just to clarify monthly use at 18000 and 14,000 is it that high? guest: no 18,000 a year. i'm sorry let me correct myself. that is the average social security payment to a male is $18,000, a female $14,000, and that is for 5 million americans get less than 12,500 dollars that they receive. host: thank you joe in new york

independent line. caller: how are you doing? this question is for larson. my question is with our going into a government shutdown but i do not understand how we are still going out billions of dollars out of the country taxpayers to help ukraine and all these other places and yet all we have now is a government shutdown and my second question is how could anything be honest when it comes to voting for somebody, i know this is a little off but when it comes to voting for either a president let's say donald trump or joe biden the person who feeds more into who will get elected is the news media. they can build up a person or

knock a person down. that is how i feel. i voted for mr. biden for president and i didn't know it was going to happen when i voted for him even though i did not like trump of course [indiscernible] host: ok you're breaking up a little bit but i think we got your point. go ahead. guest: first and foremost, i think it is vitally important that we support president zelenskyy and ukraine. support is unending -- is not an ending and unlimited, but when you have an aggressor like putin and you recognize around the globe what we have to do yes, it is vitally important we protect our own borders as well and yes it is vitally important that we are concerned about our own economic well-being here but also we are the leader in the world.

we are still the preeminent democracy. and free people all over the globe need our help and assistance. but it is not us alone. i commend president biden for bringing in our allies. when was last time you saw sweden and switzerland standing and coming together against putin? that may be a tipoff just to how critical this is in terms of creating peace into the future and the support that is needed to do this. a lot of good questions, and not the least of which is the border. the border we talked about, again a government shutdown how does that help us in terms of the people who are enforcing the border already? they are under stress and it needs to be comprehensive immigration reform -- and we are focused on the sanchez and the house of representatives as a great bill with respect to that. that is the kind of thing that

should be going on. discussion directly about social security. in comprehensive immigration reform. and making sure that we are getting people back to work and sustaining jobs. and i think he alluded in the election something that we will have to spend a lot of time and that is artificial intelligence in terms of the manipulation that can take place during the campaign or life in general. all of it is vitally important and i think c-span for covering them. host: what you make of poles when it comes to president biden's ability to win over former president trump and questions about eight how seriously do you and the democrats treat that at this point? guest: let's face it age is an issue it is an issue for donald trump and joe biden. americans are going to have to factor that in. they will factor that in based

on, what have they done during their tenure? i think when you look at joe biden tenure and you see what he has been able to accomplish in the last 2.5 years he looks pretty damn good in the eyebs of americans. we do not do a good enough job of what the american recovery act did, what the american rescue plan did or putting infrastructure back in the economy all of which was help will in terms of putting people back to work, getting through the pandemic and making sure that we are rebuilding this country. more has to be done still, but in terms of age there not much difference between donald trump and joe biden. host: former question about the president. he said striking workers and he will strike with them in detroit

at the uaw strike what do you think about that move? guest: i thought it was a strong move on behalf of the president. i'm glad he was out there demonstrating solidarity with the workforce. let's hope that brings everybody to the table and make sure that we get people back to work. we are in global competition. there is no question about that and workers gave up a lot to make sure they help companies together. now it is time where we see a great income of inequality that exist all across the country for people to make sure that for their work and effort they get paid a fair wage. again, where does the money go? they are not out buying stock options they are going right back into the economy where they live and work. i commend president biden for demonstrating solidarity with the american worker. host: jack, virginia, democrat line. caller: good afternoon, sorry good morning. my first thought would be to

listeners who spoke prior. i would like to link on to what they have been saying. it seems as though you and the previous gentleman that spoke seemed to be tongue deaf to the carrying on like a hillary clinton moment where people keep asking you wire you putting in parity the needs and wants of ukraine and foreigners given needs and wants of the real issues occurring here. it seems that this is something that people do not get. i will ask this question, this is my question, what is it do for someone like me who fought in iraq and afghanistan of former military officer who knows for a fact that this target is not about putin, it is about you and redistributing limited u.s. wealth overseas. what do i need to do besides what we have in january 1. we have a whole bunch of people

attacking congress, i was not part of, but what do you need to do to convince you that you are wrong? host: ok i've got to leave it there. guest: first let me thank you to your service for the country. sometimes when dictators stand up and try to overrun a country people do remain quiet and they do not say anything or respond. hitler's was very successful about that. someone who was i assume is a student of history would understand that that is important. not the united states in and of itself of the united states in conjunction with the rest of the free world. with the rest of the united nations. with our allies standing together against aggression. so that we can stop future wars. i understand what you're saying about budgets and money etc. and we have to be careful about those, but do we turn our back

on those individuals and then face even more excruciating problems down the road? for our own country question i think not but -- country western ? i think not. but you can make your own opinion on that. you can stand up for your aggressor or you can let them prevail. host: we have a few more minutes but before we go to the next call what do you think bob menendez political future should be with the charges against him? guest: that is not my decision and that is the decision of the senate. under the law many things he is innocent until proven guilty but many in new jersey have called for his resignation. again that would be an action that occurs in the senate and

one that mr. menendez is going to have to make. host: we have a couple minutes joseph in new jersey go ahead. caller: hey. [indiscernible] i'm in new jersey and i grew up in new york city and have seen you around before on tv. you're a pretty good politician. he put out there you said the republican party they wanted -- social security. you know my guy i am ultra mega, that is the guy in the white house the one who puts social security in fact he sounds a lot like you. -- i agree a want to help ukraine. we are the same country we were in 1950. people coming into the country have to pay -- we have 8 million people coming into the country and we are paying for them. my kid starts school next year and i do not know how many people will be in the school we

had that problem in the 50's and 40's. and third you said about turning your back on ukraine. how many more doors do you want our country to pay for? you not think america has paid the bills? my dad's cousin was killed in 1944 in yugoslavia and they have not found his body. host: ok let's get our guests to respond. guest: he covered a lot of ground. it comes down to is not only our responsibility here at home but what is our responsibility as the leader of the free world? both viewers are right saying we do not have unlimited resources which is why we have to negotiate and bring our other allies and everybody else on board to help bear the cost of

keeping a feeder -- a free democracy opening and functioning all around the world. i think that is in everyone's best interest. it is also something that should be voting on -- voted on in the united states congress along with a lot of other important issues like social security. how about just about on social security so that the american people know where you stand in as much the program has not been enhanced in 52 years. richard nixon was it is long overdue and for your viewers, many people get it when they look at that stuff and understand that there is a lot more that the federal government should be doing on their behalf and by the federal government

specifically, i mean the united states congress should be voting so people know where they stand. host: our guess is the ranking member of the subcommittee on social security, representative john larson serving the first district of clinic it -- of connecticut. watch out for help and senate activity on c-span one and two respectively and talk about it for our program tomorrow which comes your way at 7:00. we will see you then. ♪ [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2023] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] >> c-spanshop.org is our c-span

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expires midnight on saturday. senate leaders are considering a start -- short-term continuing resolution tovert a shutdown that has little or no additional money for ukraine. it is unclear how -- speaker mccarthy will bring that to the house floor. some gop lawmakers requested the weight to reduce spending and some 440 commitmes to the defense and agriculture d state -- that is being considered today and theouse is also expected to debate legislation to blockhe writing adminiration from withholding education funding for publ schools, for funding and archery and other shooting programs and they are expected to reauthorize veteran programs on saturday. there will be left coverage on c-span and on the other side of