host: this is washington journal on october 3. a motion that is passed by the house would remove representative kevin mccarthy as speaker of the house.

it came after speaker mccarthy passed short-term funding bills also setting other issues. you can comment on this latest move. democrats can call (202) 748-8000. independent can call (202) 748-8003. you can follow the show on instagram. earlier in the afternoon, representative gaetz went to the floor, hinting that he might file this motion to vacate. it was later in the evening when he actually did so. >> mr. speaker, pursuant to to a one -- 2a1.

quest of the gentleman yield back his speech? >> i do. >> mr. speaker, pursuant, i rise to raise a question. quest declaring the office of speaker of the house of representatives, speaker of the house of representatives is declared to be vacant. host: that starts the process to see if speaker mccarthy will be moved from his position. you can comment on what led up to it. text as and you can post on our social media site as well.

joining us to explain what happens next is emily brooks. thank you for giving us your time this morning. what are potential timelines, going from last night, as far as what happened? guest: after the move last night to bring up the privileged resolute -- resolution, they have two legislative days to schedule actual action on this. something could happen today or tomorrow, but what will happen is not necessarily a vote to declare the office vacant. first, they will be some kind of motion to table or a motion to send it to a committee. it would kill the resolution.

it could be a proxy for how people might vote on the final resolution, but it will be likely a multistep process. resolve former representative mark meadows making a motion to vacate move. that was not actually brought up to a final vote on the floor. host: you have been keeping a running list of who is supporting gaetz. can you give us a number of the names? guest: the magic number is five. that is the number that could potentially -- depending on things like absences and present votes, it is tied. they vote in favor of this motion to vacate, and it could

-- that is why this is important. we have a representative from arizona who says he is supportive. representative bobby good of virginia and representative eli crane of arizona. there are a couple other people who might support. dan bishop from north carolina said he would support removing mccarthy. he declined to comment on the move last night. host: will they have some kind of meeting today to discuss their reaction to it? guest: they are having their regular caucus meeting. atlas surely be a topic of conversation because they have a big decision here with that republican support.

it could keep mccarthy in office without democrats having to vote to keep him in the speakership. there is a possibility that people voted for him outright, but a lot of democrats are being -- they are waiting to get a signal from the minority leader. that is what nancy pelosi recommended over the weekend, is to follow the q. reportedly no phones allowed in this meeting. it will probably be a lengthy one as they decide how to handle this. host: is there a speculation that they might want something in exchange for that? guest: there is certainly a

speculation that they might want something in exchange for that. it is sort of up in the air. that is speculation. you know, yesterday, speaker mccarthy told reporters that he had not spoken to leader jeffries. does not seem like those conversations are ongoing quite yet, but he did not rule out making some kind of deal with democrats. host: even if it does not come to fruition, is the speakership of mccarthy in peril, if he manages to survive a app guest: that has been a narrative following mccarthy since the

first week of january. it depends on what side you are sitting on and how you're feeling about speaker mccarthy. he has used the threat as a motion to vacate to boost his argument that he is persistent, that he never gives up. he has latched onto that. right now he is saying the exact same thing. he says bring it on. he is expressing confidence about this. somebody had to be the adult in the room in order to avoid a government shutdown. he is really brushing this off and saying this is something personal for matt gaetz. blaming speaker mccarthy for that, but they have not really gotten along, so there is a lot in the background. the reality is there is a --

there is a distinct possibility that speaker mccarthy has a tough road ahead. host: you can find that online. and lee brooks, thank you for your time, explaining this for us. it's -- you can text us your thoughts. the process of removing speaker mccarthy. as you heard our guest say, after the motion was filed, he just responded, bring it on. that is the state of play.

republican line, thank you for waiting. what you think of this move? caller: thank you for taking my call. i have harsh words. every month i call -- i am probably the most conservative journalist. i am a member, but here is why i say i am conservative. they continue to spend -- they both complained that they are spending too much but no one is filing a bill to eliminate. if they would simply fund the college -- it is only possible -- bankruptcy would force the

department. host: you support what matt gaetz is doing? caller: matt gaetz is headed in the right direction, but he has not employed the tool short of a miracle. student loan bankruptcy would force him to stop -- host: you made your point. maryland -- robert from maryland. go ahead. caller: thank you. i have a first-time college. i listen to c-span every morning. i really do not like kevin mccarthy. i think he does whatever the way -- whichever way the wind blows. in the same token, matt gaetz is -- him and all the other maga

republicans are for themselves. i really think it would be funny if this backfired and we ended up with a democrat speaker of the house. host: giving us his thoughts in st. petersburg, florida. this is david on the republican line. caller: i'm just calling to tell you how disgusted i am with the republican party. they have the wind to their backs, and they could win everything, if they just get their act together. do something right, but instead, they will take this all the way to the door, and it will make them look bad, and the whole time, the democrats know what they are doing when it comes to getting voted back in. my thing is, kevin mccarthy, matt gaetz, both of them are immature.

it does not matter who is the speaker of the house. they just need to get their act together. host: who would he want to see replace speaker mccarthy? caller: i think he would be great. there are several other guys in the party that would be great, but mccarthy? he is to wishy-washy. host: david, there in florida. this is pennsylvania, democrats line. caller: i am completely altering my own political trajectory, particularly when it comes to this unjust war in ukraine, with the looting of our national treasury. over 70% of the money is

unaccounted for. matt gaetz, all the way for speaker. republicans should wake up. we are looking at the complete implosion of our country. we are seeing an invasion on the southern border. we are seeing a pot -- a possible exchange. the republicans standing up against this profoundly unjust war -- they should stand up and vote for matt gaetz. vote for gaetz. you want to talk about the adult in the room, it is mccarthy betraying the fundamentals of being able to look at words with legitimacy. these wars are completely manipulative and they need to be stopped. host: pat in pennsylvania.

you can send us your thoughts. republicans at (202) 748-8001. democrats at (202) 748-8000. stay close to our main channel, c-span, as these matters play out. the washington post offers support for mccarthy. the subhead, yes, really. say, we give one cheer for three reasons. we urge him to reach out to republicans. the timing could not have been less fortunate. ukraine on the counter offensive are struggling. they say the bill funds the

government right before thanksgiving. another possible shutdown looms, but the president to avert a crisis by dealing with democrats. that is from the washington post this morning, in support of speaker mccarthy. let's hear more from matt gaetz about the effort that he is making. >> why don't you go forward right now? are you backing off of your plans? >> i think we will have more people later this afternoon. >> speaker mccarthy said he will survive this. should he be that confident? >> he is probably right. his true coalition partner has been the democrats. he worked with democrats on the debt limit bill. republicans are not campaigning

on the debt limit bill. then we get to the appropriations process. speaker mccarthy purposely delayed us. at the end of the day, he had to utilize democrats to pass a resolution. if kevin mccarthy works for democrats in order to keep power , that would be consistent with everything we have seen from him. for some people, policy values are recast as personal because their own failures are personally embarrassing to them. this is not personal. i can say to you the house rules that have been violated. kevin mccarthy agreed to a rule. kevin mccarthy agreed to a rule that we would not put anything over $100 million on the suspension agenda. he blew past that.

he agreed to the rule that he would never use the democrats to rule a majority of the majority. on the ukraine supplemental? 100 -- this -- does it sound personal to you? i am pointing to specific things that kevin agreed to that he has not complied with. he is trying to put this as a personal dispute, but we are trying to change washington. host: that is from earlier in the day, giving more clarity to the reasoning for the motion that he filed last night. we will see how that plays out. you can follow along on our c-span app. republican line from wisconsin. this is pete. good morning. caller: good morning.

one of the things that he said is de-dollarization is happening all over the world. companies are dumping the u.s. dollar. the digital dollar. taking over bank accounts. that is what people should be worried about. host: how does that relate to mccarthy? caller: these guys are fighting back all the time. what are you going to do? i know that is not an answer. one of the points i wanted to make -- host: let's go to detroit, democrats line.

caller: just to clarify, what we watched happen, the republican party actually passed a resolution to keep the government open. they have managed to do that. of course, that is what most americans want. what you should do is spike the football. look, we can govern. we are in charge. they tried to remove their own speaker. this is a team sport. what are we doing here? all of that is well and good, but the republican party is so splintered. how are we going to progress in the future?

when you look at what we spend and what we are arguing about, only 14% of the entire budget is actually money that will cut into and dollar values do not add up. so, we need adults who are focused on getting the ball over the goal line. host: that is the viewer there. political theater. when someone works with the other side, the stripped of power. this is from cory in pennsylvania. matt gaetz is playing a dangerous game.

i say let them fight. it will be interesting to see who loses the fight. the social media site, this is kevin saying, i am all for inclusivity but this should be republicans only. again, democrats or republican, you can call on the line. independent -- as some of you have done this morning, you can text. this is dave. it's caller: i'm getting -- caller: whatever happened to civility and working with the other side? we are supposed to be americans. we are americans first.

this budget drama has to end. instead of being able to pat themselves on the back, they go after their own house speaker. how is that? they are going to punish him for working with the other side? we are all americans first. congress and the senate, their only job is to pass the senate, and they can barely do that with any year. we demand that they do their job first. host: what do you think about matt gaetz leading this charge? caller: i think it is ridiculous. speaker mccarthy has a hard enough job trying to hold the republicans in line. he does not need people from his own party stabbing him in the

back. they need to work together. they need to work together. host: you can make your comments on the latest series of events. you can also access our social media site. let's go to steve in the dominican republic. caller: good morning. i love watching the republicans beat themselves. this is the ultimate result of the party coming in. they wanted to shut down government and they do not really have a platform. look at the first year that he ran.

yes, they lowered taxes quite a bit for the wealthy, that there was not a platform. you have these people who are in congress simply to shut down government and the man from florida, the republican who just said we are all americans, yes, we are, but we saw this coming. i do believe that mccarthy has a golden opportunity to become an influential speaker. there are sufficient votes. thank you very much. host: giving us a call with his thoughts. the adult in the room. all republicans need to be voted out. apparently mr. gates thought he

had the perfect trick pony and then he got played. mccarthy is not going anywhere. the republican party is out of outliers, talking about the event leading up to yesterday evening. criticizing the republicans for their efforts. here is a portion of that. >> the high school drama about governing the house of representatives. we have some people who are playing with fire and we have watched them at the brink. it happened earlier in the spring, when we were dealing with the debt ceiling, and we are back at it now, dealing with what we are going to do, in terms of funding the government, going forward. we know at this is going to end.

it largely follows the outline of what we all agreed to do. democrats and republicans had an agreement to move forward with the budget. i think the governing wing will, around and work with a unified caucus to fulfill the commitment that we made. whether or not kevin mccarthy is speaker or not is largely irrelevant. the governing wing will come together and i think will do what is right for the american people, based on what we agreed to do months ago. host: if you want to give your thoughts, republicans at (202) 748-8001.

democrats at (202) 748-8000. independent line is (202) 748-8002. an attempt to oust speaker mccarthy from his position. representative marjorie taylor greene saying, i remember the last time they voted with democrats. i did not care about the vote. my friend matt gaetz said it would be better to vacate. delivering strong results. continuing to work to save america. house majority whip saying, the theme -- under speaker mccarthy's leadership, we

continued to champion and preserve priorities that will put our country on a better path. steve scalise was also mentioned by that one caller, assuming the position. a lot of work to do. continuing to work with speaker mccarthy and the entire leadership team. securing the border and fighting for hard-working americans. that was steve scalise. you can give your thoughts or post on twitter and you can text us. a procedure to remove the hous speaker. if a privileged resolution -- it

could be delayed with procedural votes. it would take a simple majority. 200 21 seats for -- 200 for democrats. let's go to the republican line. caller: they gave in to these democrats. they should have never done that. it should not -- the border should not be open another day. they need to close the border. there are thousands of people suffering. we have to shut this down. host: how does that specifically related to kevin mccarthy and if he should be speaker? caller: he should have never given to the democrats on the border.

he should never be given -- giving another dime to ukraine. ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the world now. they are more corrupt than ukraine is. it is ridiculous. 80% of our money cannot be held accountable. who is stealing the money? let's talk about some real issues here. people need to wake up. host: a running report of those efforts. for those supporting it. andy biggs saying he was favorably disposed.

tim from tennessee says he prayed about how to vote. he went support moving him from the post. it's saying, i said repeatedly that we cannot repeat the failures of the past. he said for the speaker to totally surrender and capitulate , 209 democrat votes. it was a bad deal for the american people. highlighting previous mccarthy opponents saying, now they are supporting him. saying on sean hannity's show that it was a major distraction. saying, i think the speaker deserves the opportunity to

honor the commitments that he made. representative lauren boebert from colorado. there are others in that working list. where they are, compared to this effort -- it was after he filed the motion. he went to the steps of the capital. here is part of that from yesterday. >> one of two things will happen. kevin mccarthy will not be speaker of the house or he will be working at the pleasure of the democrats. i am at peace with either result.

plexi made it clear that if this failed, you would try again. >> this will not be the only time. >> who would you be putting up there? >> our number two is steve scalise. i would vote for steve scalise. i would vote for 100 other americans out there. but i am not going to pass over steve scalise just because he has blood cancer and is going through treatment. host: that portion of what he said, see that play out on our c-span now at -- app.

we will go to open forum right now. 8:00. you can comment on the events from yesterday or you can comment on other things as well and it comes to politics. independent -- if you also want to comment on open forum and he went to do it on our social media site, you can do that as well. you can text us as well at (202) 748-8003. bill lee from kansas, on the republican line. what do you think? caller: i am still a little bit confused about it, but what we need to understand is that there is one party that likes to spend and there is another party that

is trying to cut back on spending and not necessarily taxes, but i think that is a point that needs to be made. it seems like we are fighting over those two subjects. host: you said you are confused. can you elaborate on that? caller: yes, i could. i do not understand what mccarthy has done. it seems like she caved in and yielded to the group that wants to end more tax dollars and try to get our government under control. i do not understand why they do not go ahead and pay the money. that is over my head. host: do you think it is worth removing him as some are trying to do? caller: i do not know that much about it. but i do not know what it takes to remove somebody. i do think we need to see 70 and

there he will take a stand for what the party agrees is right, and stick with it, rather than caving in. host: let's hear from tina. democrat line. hello. caller: i was watching the news conference earlier and he was talking about ousting mccarthy because mccarthy had crossed into the democrats and asked for help. my understanding of politics is that it is supposed be working together. i do not see him crossing over to help us keep the country running when they only want to

shut the country down because it makes biotin look bad. they need to stop worrying. host: are you there? i think she got disconnected. she got her point across. other things in this open forum. that's go to the republican line. caller: you are my favorite. i want to talk about the speakership. this is how it is supposed to work. there are supposed to be checks and balances. the republicans always cave to the democrats demands. they just had the media on their side to keep pointing the finger. they have money transfers, according to the fbi reported,

from hunter biden's business deals. this should be the main topic. that is what they are trying to clear up here. host: the process continues on. you can still see that hearing. go to c-span.org. if you go to the front pages of the paper is, side from the story and most papers, there are pictures of former president donald trump in court as that court case looks at potential fraud. that is the picture from the washington post. if you go to the wall street journal, this is the picture that they had come outside of the courthouse.

the former president went before cameras yesterday to talk about his perspective on the events taking place. mr. trump: this is a continuation of the single greatest witch hunt of all time. one 100th. a tiny fraction of what they actually are. we have a racist attorney general who said she was going to get trump, before she even knew anything about me. she failed in her attempt to run for governor. she came back and said, now i will go get trump again, and this is what we have. it is a scam and a sham. my financial statements are phenomenal. they are actually less than the actual net worth.

the actual net worth is actually more. they do not even know why they have to be involved. they cannot believe that they are involved. there were no problems. it was like a perfect client. meantime, people are being murdered all over the sidewalk. host: you can contribute to open forum. in delaware, we will hear from jack. caller: i we still on the topic of the speaker and things like that? host: sure. you can talk about that. caller: i do not understand. all of the problems -- i like to

think of myself as a moderate democrat. some of these republicans in the house -- does no one care about what it looks like to our country? we have a president who was indicted and we are trying to go after the current president. doesn't anyone care? i agree that there are things that have to be done, but why can't they get into a room, compromise and legislate like the were voted to do? this is just where i am at. host: it is because he worked with kratz to pass that short-term funding bill. but that would have been yesterday. go ahead and finish your

thought. caller: it is not anyone party. in order to legislate, they have to compromise. there is a two party system. i'm sorry, whether you like it or not. that is the way it has always been. we have dysfunctional government here. it is no wonder people are divided. they worked together a little bit more. you would see a lot more people. host: let's hear from bob in illinois. caller: going against trump for

different things. he was twice acquitted. as far as men and women, it is absolutely insane. there are only two sexes, male and female. we are in deep trouble. thanks to the media, they are helping and he will win again. host: locally, one of those happening. reporting that she was carjacked outside an apartment thing that houses dozens of members. a spokesman said that there was a report of an armed carjacking in the neighborhood near capitol hill. three armed assailants approached the congressman and stole his vehicle. he was not harmed in -- and is working with local law enforcement.

again, reporting that yesterday evening. colleen in massachusetts, republican line. caller: i had a question about one of the things matt gaetz said about how he could appoint somebody not from the body, maybe they appoint donald trump to be speaker of the house. is that something they can actually do? host: it is not the first time the former president was mentioned for the position. caller: so they can say things, but is it allowed? host: technically, the speaker of the house does not have to be a member of the house. but go ahead and finish your thought. caller: that was my thought. it was a concerning statement and i did not know if it was allowed. host: we will check on that and

we will figure it out. mike in virginia. caller: this is my first time. this is exactly what i wanted to talk to you about. shouldn't james be happy with the summary judgment that she won last week? why are we wasting all this money, new york taxpayers dollars as well as the country's dollars on this political theater? she got what she wanted. let's give it up. go with what you have and be satisfied with that. do not give this man a platform to week. that is exactly what she is doing. host: this was back in 2015,

going back to efforts to remove john boehner. some suggested bringing in and out later like newt gingrich or colin powell. but does the speaker have to be a member of the house? stating simply that the house of representatives shall choose their speaker and officers. the speaker has always been not required to be a house member. most historians and legal experts simply assume that the speaker would be drawn. if you are the -- if you're interested in learning or, doug, the republican line. caller: i think c-span. everybody should be required.

we are stupid to pay these people. if they were working for a regular company, they would be fired for the way that the act. but he and two people, one for the house and one for the senate. if they cannot fix it, bring somebody else in. host: doug in virginia speaking about the court case. going before cameras come here is a statement. >> my message is simple. no matter how powerful you are, no matter how much money you think you have, no one is above the law. it is my duty to enforce it. the law is both powerful and fragile. today in court, we will prove our case.

justice will prevail. thank you. host: let's hear from duty in delaware, republican line. go ahead. caller: about the speakership, ice year that people are upset because he went to the other side of the idol and is working them i think, being independent, i look at both sides. i see that not a lot of times do democrats come across to help to work with republicans, and that is pretty much where the rub is because it seems like republicans always ask what democrats want. it is messy. you want to fire everybody?

happy constituents will be represented? that is pretty much my take on the whole deal. host: that is the location where hunter biden is due back in the courtroom there. he is expected to plead not guilty to firearms charges after his earlier deal collapsed. he lied about his drug use. he acknowledged struggling with addiction but his lawyers -- gun charges like this are very. the ban on drug users violates the second amendment. look for that to play out today. the senator designate of california. chosen by governor gavin newsom to temporarily replace. saying, i'm honored to accept

this. i have made my home and am honored by thisreat nation. setting the gavel out on thursday. let's hear from marion. marion is next in georgia on the democrat line. caller: thank you for taking my call. i have something that has been a question in my mind for a year or two years. every time republicans talk, they always say, well the tax cuts for the rich actually add money to our government. if that is the keys and trump left with 7.8 trillion in debt, does not mean that if he -- if they did not give that 5

trillion to the rich, it would have been $12.8 trillion? i just did not know how they justified that. it seems to me that it would be -- another thing that i want to say is, are they trying to oust kevin mccarthy, so they can put trump a come since they are allowed to put anybody in as speaker? thank you. host: that is marion calling in. we are going to be joined by the co-founder of t party patriots. concerning representative gaetz

and taking a look at the appropriations bill being worked on, in the house. the agreement was made with speaker mccarthy. how those could impact programs. those are interviews you can look out for. also at 10:00, the supreme back in session. they will hear arguments on r the funding structure is unconstitutional. that will start at 10:00. those platforms as well, except for the television side, you can hear from the subcommittee. a hearing taking a look at good, according to the chamber of congress.

500 billion. c-span3 and the website is very can see that happening at 2:30 this afternoon. jackie is next. caller: thank you for taking my call. i will make this very short. there has been a lot of talk about the illegal migrants coming into the u.s. my question is -- i would love somebody on the democrat side or republican side to address this because i have not heard it addressed this is a humanitarian crisis. winter is coming on, in the north, where a lot of these migrants have gone to. they do not have enough housing for them now. what are they going to do? when the days get coldest? what are they going to deal with

these people? they are living on the street now. they cannot live on the street in the coldest days. thank you for taking my call, pedro. host: one of the stories is about coming to the u.s. new data reveals the top destination as roughly 18% of the new arrivals. another 30% went to chicago. they ranked as top destinations. you can read that for yourself. clifford in alabama. good morning. caller: [indiscernible]

it seems -- a shutdown, a standstill, and now the mer. i guess he's supposed to have a magic on, but there is one thing i cannot understand about this country. you say we are united, but we are divided. they just cannot stand it. this great nation is going to fall because we are divided against each other. one party says -- the other party says, you choose. a house divided is going to fall. host: we will hear from mary in

california. caller: i have a question about january 6. i heard that they were told to be unarmed. but he was supposed to have any arms. i'm wondering if they were unarmed, if the capitol police were supposed to be unarmed. host: we invite you to go submit -- one of the many hearings about the events of january 6 that were held by the committee. featuring members of the police and other security involved. you can go to our website if you want to read or see more about that. brooklyn, new york. he would hear from carmen. caller: good morning.

i am ecstatic to see trump where he is at. i am is going on with the republican party. i am -- i cannot be more grateful. host: are you there? she dropped. let's take one more call. republican line. caller: good morning. i hope that they get their act together. other countries are threatening to get rid of the dollar as the standard. the commercial real estate is in big trouble. they have loans and they have to refinance loans within a year.

that will put some of the banks and big trouble. i just hope that congress can get their act together. host: when you reference them, do you mean a specific party? caller: i mean both parties. definitely. i am kind of set up with matt gaetz. it's if they want to cut their spending, that is when they come up for a vote in congress, not shut the government down. host: ok. richard in minneapolis. continuing work on this series of bills to see what happens, regarding the motion to vacate. we will see that play out.

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the troubled asset relief program. a lot of people throw the country were very concerned because it was the bank bailouts and the government deeming business is too big to fail. then president obama becomes president and won the first things he does is pass the stimulus bill moving through congress people are concerned because people continue to see more government spending. on the floor of the chicago mercantile exchange had a grant saying who wants to pay for a house for more bathrooms with you when your neighbor can afford that house. he said we should have a tea party the founding fathers did. about 25 of us or so got on a conference call the next day and decided to have tea parties a

week later. we had 45 tea parties with over 38,000 people in attendance in february of 2009. a few weeks later we had over 850 tea parties is 1.2 million people across the country. we've been standing for personal freedom, economic freedom and a debt-free future since we began. host: you came into this over issues of spending so i want to ask on the house side here we are again facing issues of spending, what you make of the events of the last couple of weeks particularly concerning the funding of the government? guest: it is disheartening. i think a lot of us at this point are very cynical about what happens in washington dc, we had the opportunity all year long since january for speaker mccarthy to keep his promises and move the appropriation bills

through congress is one of the things he promised he would do in order to become speaker. that only happened with one bill , the military appropriation bill and that -- and then last week finally the house voted on four appropriation bills, three of those passed in one did not. so four finally passed but 12 need to pass and only four have passed so far. the house and senate have not taken up any of those. we will be faced with another massive spending bill that continues spending at the current rate for 45 days right before thanksgiving. there will be pressure for everyone to go home for thanksgiving so there will be pressure to continue to pass another continuing resolution or an omnibus that will either extend christmas or maybe just fund the government for the rest of the year. we've seen this play out time and again and people across the

country are wondering why republicans can keep their promises to do what they say they will do and make sure they are getting something in exchange for the majority they were given when they got that last -- in that last election cycle. host: after they pass the debt limit ceiling they agreed on a certain figure, then republicans came back for lower figures. was that a calculation on their part? guest: i don't think it was a miscalculation. if it passed in the house and goes in the senate there will be something that winds up getting worked out in conference, a small group of members of the house and senate to come up with a final bill that has to be voted on one more time in the chamber -- each chamber. that's part of the legislative process, that's how it worked and there should be transparency in what the government is

spending money on, what are they doing taking $32 trillion into debt and i think it's $98,000 per united states citizen right now, of the national debt. we should have transparency and understand what's going on. at the end the day what's happened i guarantee it will not be everything i want that if they are going through the proper procedure and there are amendments on the floor and members can vote on those different amendments and the american people see the legislative process working i think the american people would have a lot more grace with congressman they have now. host: if you want to ask our guest questions, 202-748-8001 for republicans, 202-748-8000 for democrats. 202-748-8002 for independents. if you want to text a question, 202-748-8003. you can always post on social media as well. with everything we've talked

about, talk about the events of yesterday concerning the potential future leadership of kevin mccarthy. guest: matt gaetz filed a motion to vacate so we will watch that play out. i suspect they will be seven to 10 republicans who vote for the motion to vacate along with matt gaetz or six to nine that vote along with matt gaetz. speaker mccarthy may very well face a position where he is -- where his speakership is vacated and what happens after that is still unknown right now if mccarthy become speaker again, to someone else become speaker. i'm not sure how that pans out. what i know for certain is people across the country involved in the tea party movement, involved in the maga movement are concerned about what they are seeing out of the republicans, a concerned by the

lack of leadership in the house of representatives. and they expect more from mccarthy and from republicans in general. they want to see strong leadership and they are just not seeing that right now. host: do you support mr. gates -- gaetz's efforts? guest: he's done a lot of things in the past few weeks a lot of people are upset about but he is shining a light on the issues with congress. we would not of had these bills come to the floor of the house had he and a few other people continued to say no for last week and the week before to potential bills coming to the floor. they pushed to have the appropriation bills come through. so over 400 amendments being voted on in the house of representatives last week, that's how congress is supposed to work. not all in the same week with

four different bills moving through at the same time, the appropriations committee should have been doing the work all year long and bills should have been coming to the floor one week at a time, but that is -- what he did with that is very important, it shows what can be done, within a functioning congress. what he did yesterday, what we may not see play out in the vote but what we know is going on behind the scenes is republicans, whether they are part of the moderate part of the republican conference or the conservative part of the republican conference, there are republicans in congress who are saying speaker mccarthy cannot be trusted and he is not showing the signs of a strong leader and they are frustrated with that in both contingents within the congress and we may not see that play out in the bill -- vote. i know it is happening because

i'm hearing it from members of congress. they are frustrated by that and mccarthy has had the opportunity all year long to show how he can be a leader and he has failed to live up to what people in his own conference would like to see. i think behind closed doors of their public and conference meetings there will be a lot -- you have a lot of screaming and cursing and all sorts of scenes going on. at the end of the day the republican conference needs to get it back together to have a leader and to show a distinct difference between what republicans want for the country and what democrats want for the country. would we saw past on saturday might've been what senator mccain did when he paused his campaign to go vote for tarp. you can tell me the difference between republicans and democrats in that. it was exactly the same.

you have to make sure there is a clear distinction so voters know what they are getting and so we can see there are a lot of problems in this country and there are two different options for how to solve them and which one do you think will be better for you as a constituent. host: albert starts us off in chicago, democrats line. you are on with our guest. noah had with your question or comment. caller: good morning and thank you. good morning miss martin. the team part -- the tea party formed in february of 2009 not even a month into the obama presidency. your guest cited the stimulus bill. that stimulus provided tax relief for 95% of working families, $400 went to an

individual, $100 went to couples. to me, the tea party didn't form in opposition to obama spending, they formed in opposition to the obama presidency. that's my comment. guest: thanks for your insight on that. i happened to be on the phone calls and helped start it and i can tell you we were talking about the spending and a lot of people were expressing frustration even with mccain and what we had seen with him and what you've seen so far this morning i'm talking a lot more about the frustration with republicans than i am about democrats. i hope you pay attention to what i'm actually saying and not just things you've heard other people say about us. host: in new jersey, independent line. caller: good morning. my comments are i keep listening

to the national debt we have and about the democratic party sang the rich have to pay their fair share. my suggestion is right now social security is collected, once you get $134,000 in change, you stop -- they'll have to pay their half of the social security and my suggestion would be social security would never have to worry about anything again, they would triple the amount they are getting. i'm not a mathematician but given a number -- for 10 years, the employees part of social security part. host: his concerns about social security. guest: i couldn't understand

exactly what he was saying in his suggestions are, but i think people are paying into social security, the employer's pay, half the employees play -- pay. i'm not sure exactly what else he was saying there. host: can i get your sense of how -- one of the debates over the past couple of weeks is ukraine funding. in an bills and taken out of bills. how should that be treated? guest: i think it needs to be a stand-alone bill and that's what has happened partially and i think we will see another bill, forward. i would imagine before the end of the 45 days may be i'm wrong about that. that funds ukraine. the senate has made it very clear including senate republicans, there are senate republicans who say this is

their number one issue and there are republicans inside the house as well as democrats who want to do more funding for ukraine. i think it needs to be a stand-alone bill. i think we have a lot of problems in our own country and there are a lot of people who need to put the oxygen mask on america and take care of our problems first like you are in an airplane. put an oxygen mask on yourself before taking care of children. we need to take care of our country first so we can help other countries and when you prioritize other countries above us, it's very alarming to america. host: just to clarify then would you be one to advocate for no longer funding those efforts until other issues are taken care of? are there certain issues question mark would you clarify that? guest: i'm not taking much of a stand on that.

i understand the arguments to support ukraine. i understand the argument not to support ukraine. me personally i think when a country is invaded and borders are trying to be moved, it is an act of aggression, it is an act of war. so i understand the need for ukraine to be able to push back and hold firm on their border. i have to be intellectually honest, china is doing that to taiwan i want to make sure we are pushing back against china as well. so i understand the importance of helping countries defend themselves in that situation. but our own country and our own border we have had over 6 million people enter our country illegally since biden became president and we need to take care of our own border first. host: border security became a driving force particularly on

funding. was that a good move as far as republicans aching that the issue they did? guest: i do think it is a very important issue and i think we need to see hr 2 be taken up and voted on in the senate. the senate should be voting for this. we have major cities in this country, deep blue cities which have said they are sanctuary cities for over a decade. immigrants can come here, they don't have to -- they could have sanctuary in our cities. we are seeing the same cities say wait a minute this is a problem. our country, 6 million people entering our country illegally, that's more than 40 states populations. that is a massive number of people and we have laws for a

reason. we need to uphold our laws and the biden administration is not doing that when it comes to the border. i spent time speaking with sheriffs and border patrol, it is a huge problem. what the sheriff told me over and over again is when people come through usually they have written down on a sheet of paper which city they are going to and which phone number. they tell border patrol, the ngo's and then they are put on a bus or plane and they are sent to those other cities and our government dollars are paying for that transportation. i've seen it happen on flights, people getting on the plane and someone is shepherding them and it appears to be information about each person in their group. they are going all over this country, every state in the country as a border state, every

county is a border county and we need to get our borders secure. the house is right in trying to secure the border, ending a loophole and construct a border wall -- continue to construct a border wall. all of these things need to be happening and the senate, including senate republicans who say ukraine is their number one priority, go visit the border, look at what's happening at the border, a look at what's happening in new york and chicago. look at the voters in chicago saying wait a minute you are overloading our schools and public service system we can continue to do this. it's a huge problem and must be addressed. it will be addressed now or it has to be with the next president. i don't know our country can handle another 2.4 million illegal people coming through

this country in the next year. we need to address it now. host: this is jim, republican line. guest: you really perked up my years. i wanted to say long island is a mess with illegal immigrants. even our schools, marquees are in spanish now. i wanted to ask but rick santelli. he used to get on the air and go crazy about all this liquidity bernanke put out. now he's not talking about that anymore. i'm wondering if rick santelli was quelled by cnbc because he went off on this stuff with the masks and everything.

now they're doing something about that liquidity. now they're not saying about any thing about that anymore. guest: i'm not sure why he isn't saying anything about that specifically. we've been watching this happen now for almost 15 years and you just become a little bit cynical and you realize you were doing everything you can to correct what is going on and what is wrong and you see massive obstacles saying we will just keep doing things the way we keep doing them. yet the people they want to call the children are the ones who are the taxpayers bearing this burden. with the ones who don't live in washington dc we live in other parts of the country and we see the impact of these very bad

policies coming out of washington dc. >> janice up next, independent line. >> i understand you use the phrase the taxpayers are the ones bearing the burden which is true when you did the tax cuts to the corporations, they turned around and they stuck it to the taxpayers again by raising prices. we go to the supermarket now, now it's 38 ounces and are paying a dollar 50 more. so we are being hit and you talk about how the budget and this trillion dollars excess that we are in. make the corporations pay for it. why are we paying it and they are the ones, they pay nothing and they are swimming in profits by sticking it to us.

so if there's a corporation that's giving us that, why do they still tax break. >> i understand your frustration. we are all seeing the exact same thing. paying more the grocery store. we see the same price and were getting a lot less product. that's what happens with inflation. prior to the country shutting down with covid, after the tax cuts were implemented under president trump, the entire economy was growing. businesses were expanding, new businesses were starting and people felt very positive about the opportunities they had. then the government shut everything down and kept on spending money and the more money they spent the more it caused -- it triggered more of that inflation, the prices are increasing, were getting less, that's the direct result of the

government spending too much money. the government cannot make up for what corporations do. it tried to do that during covid and we are paying the price for it. it is taxpayers but it's every single american consumer whether they are taxpayer. whether they are unemployed. every single one of us is paying that price right now, it's part of the reason why it's so incredibly important that washington dc and congress addressed the overspending and stop with this overspending. we should not be spending at post-covid levels, it's crazy we have this dramatic increase and it's supposed to be this once-in-a-lifetime situation because we had this spread, 15 days in 30 days around this country continued way longer than 15 or 30 days. we are paying the price for that and it's time to stop and tell the cut -- until the government

understands that we will continue to have very difficult financial problems and economic problems. host: i don't know if you it a chance to see it but bob english , he has a piece in the new york times taking a look at the last couple of weeks. he entitled it my fellow republicanshe writes in part careers for substantial their accomplishments and expectations , petty disagreements and party rivalry, and my about something big enough to be about. he wonders about leading or following. presenting a clear danger to the republic. what about the sentiment as far as where the republicans, at least the perception of the party might be? guest: i think the grown-up thing to do is to look at the problems we face and try to solve the problems that we face.

to think you can keep doing the same thing over and over and expect different results is one thing. that's what we seem to be getting out of the 45 day spending bill that we just had, the grown-up thing is to make the hard choices and looking at -- and saying we want to cut spending, we want to pass hr two. we want appropriation bills, we want amendments from the floor. we want to to break out ukraine and have it be an extended bill so they're responsible for the boats they take and voters can hold them accountable. that's a hard thing. the easy thing is very simple, it's just to mash it altogether and try to confuse voters to continue to do the same thing over and over and somehow expect different results. that to me is immature and is part of the problem in our country right now.

in the last week and a half i've spoken with three different uber drivers in my travels around the country and three of them lost their businesses in the last three years and are now doing uber as a way to make ends meet. two of them had trucking companies and because of the supply chain problems and because they no longer were able to move product across the country they weren't able to make income. they had to close their company and relinquish the trucks they had. another one had a fleet of cars and had a car service and i think that person had 20 or maybe 40 cars. that's a lot of cars employing a lot of people to make those cars go. he lost all of those cars and is down to one car and his uber driving right now. we cannot keep doing this to small business owners. they were trying to create jobs.

they trusted the government to leave them alone and let them invest their money and create businesses and jobs and the government just quashed it and said no, you are not important. none of it is important. it's ridiculous. we need to address the problems at hand and that takes strong leadership and courage to be able to do that and there are some republicans in the house right now trying to do that and other people to pretend and have the thought they are being an adult when they are really not being an adult. host: democrats line from georgia, this is tommy. caller: my question for you and i been listening to you -- where were you when president trump was in office? where were you when he raised the national debt by eight trillion dollars?

why weren't you on c-span then talking about how much money should not have been spent. i don't understand. you don't have any credibility when you come on now after we went through a pandemic and say we are spending too much money. most of that money went to keep people housed, keep businesses up, keep people to continue getting a paycheck and now you say we spend too much money. i would like to know from you during the whole time donald trump was in office, why you were not on c-span beating the drum about spending too much money? guest: i did complain about the spending under president trump as well. i certainly complained about what we were seeing with the massive covid spending. my organization along with freedom works and a handful of other organizations are saying we need to open the country and we need to let the country get

back to operating their business and let people work and get people back in school. you and i were in georgia during the pandemic and we saw what our governor in georgia did. he reopened and took all sorts of heat for doing that. our economy did much at her because he reopened. he said he did not want people to go broke sitting at home letting their businesses languish. for that, i will always appreciate what governor kemp did with that. needed more of that and we needed that over the rest of the country but that isn't what we went of getting. as far as why wasn't i doing this or why wasn't i holding republicans accountable, i have talked far more about my frustrations with republicans this morning than my frustrations with democrats. i have problems with both sides of the aisle. i am honest enough to highlight the problems even on the side of

the aisle i tend to vote for. host: from twitter -- guest: there definitely is a tea party/patriot party in congress and the house freedom caucus is promoting those same values. they want personal freedom, economic freedom and a debt re-future. -- free future. that's what we stand for and have stood for and we sheet the fact that they are willing to stand up for the same values. host: the process of how they played that out as far as matt gaetz yesterday, you are fine with that approach? guest: what happened yesterday, we will see how that plays out. i'm the most appreciative of what we've seen over the last week.

even within the house freedom caucus, you had two different tranches. matt gaetz and dan bishop and eli crane and matt rosendale were saying we need the appropriation bill to pass and we have to stop doing things the way we have been doing them. then you have byron donalds who is saying we can get a continuing resolution for 31 days and we will have hr2 in it and it will and what's going on in the military. both solutions were good solutions. they both were good solutions and what we saw with the four appropriations bills moving through last week and i don't think that would have happened and i'm certain it wouldn't have happened if matt gaetz and dan bishop and crane and rosendale had not been pushing for it. the same goes for marjorie taylor greene. she was pushing to separate the

ukraine spending from the rest of the spending bills. she was able to accomplish that and get that sorted out. it was good things that happen process wise. it's frustrating and it takes a lot of time of the legislative rosses in this representative democracy we live in is intended to be kind of slow and painful. we don't want to change things on a dime because that creates chaos. it we have a more deliberate process. it doesn't work the way everybody wanted to right away. as far as the motion to vacate goes, i think we will see speaker mccarthy has not inspired the confidence of his conference. he has not inspired, he has not made people see he's a leader. he is not very well trusted right now within the conference. i still think at the end of the day, you will wind up with 7-12

republicans who vote for the motion to vacate. if mccarthy had been doing his job and kept the promises he made in january and brought all the appropriation bills fourth, even if the spending levels were not where everyone wanted, i think he would not be in the position he is in today. host: in new hampshire, independent line. go ahead. caller: thank you for taking my call. more than 1000 people died last week from covid-19. throughout this pandemic, the cdc is made decisions they knew would make the pandemic worse but they made them anyway. the result was that the united states killed more than one million of its own citizens. my question to you is what would cause you to no longer support the united states government? guest: i support the united states government and i support

our constitution most importantly. i am not going to stop supporting our country. i love this country. we have a lot of problems. it will take all of us working and finding a way to get through these problems. i believe we can do it. our country survived a civil war and two world wars. we had people who stood up for civil rights during the civil rights movement. that was the time when a lot of people were working against them. in the end, the right thing happened there. i believe right now, we are still going to get through this time and we are not at war with one another which is a good thing. i don't want that to happen. we are not fighting in the middle of a world war which also is a good thing. i don't want that to happen.

we see much more difficult times in our history. i know we can get through this. host: if i may, the president earlier this week did an interview and he talked about what he would refer to as maga republicans and their influence on the party. this is what he had to say about it. [video clip] >> i'm really worried if that's the case. i want to increase the focus on the fundamentals here, that democracy, literally our democracy is at stake. it's by altering the institutional structures that protect it. i think we are in real trouble. i'm convinced that part of it is communicating to the american people that this is bigger than political disagreement. it's beyond that. when you talk to people, like

for example the speech i recently made him democracy. initially with notable exceptions, people thought what is he talking about? you know, that showed that over 60% of american people were worried, too and that's one of the reasons why 2020 turned out the way it did in 2021 turned out the way it did. it's important to give people some hope that we can get through this. host: that is a portion from that interview earlier this week. how do you respond? guest: a representative democracy, a constitutional republic, it's not just a pure democracy. the next thing is as i watch president biden time and time again, i see he is working very hard to divide the country and pit american citizens against one another. he is not looking for what unites us. he looks for what divides us. his administration and his

department of justice have now been weaponized and are going after the former president and the current candidates for president. yet, we see that he and his own family have taken over according to the house oversight committee, over $20 million from foreign governments and foreign individuals in an influence campaign, and influence peddling campaign while he was vice president. it is a huge problem. i think that kind of influence peddling is -- causes real harm to representative democracy because who are you representing? are you representing people paying you when your family? are you representing the american people you swore an oath to? host: what do you think about a potential rematch between president biden and former president trump? guest: in a potential rematch,

in 2020, you had president trump versus theoretical president biden. you saw what trump did for the country and you heard what biden said he could do for the country. in 2024, you would have the actual results from trump and the actual results for biden. people can look at that and decide for themselves. which economy was better? when were you getting more goods for your money? was it under biden when you got a smaller product for the same price or the same product for more? inflation is going high and interest rates are going high and the economy is suffering and individuals are suffering and businesses are having to close versus what you sow it president trump where the economy flourished. new businesses were starting and people were willing to invest in themselves and in companies in order to create jobs.

i think at that point, you no longer have the theory of what life would be like under biden for the last four years and i think very few people would say they are better off now than when he took office. host: mr. biden would make the case that that has to do with covid and businesses affected by that and then recovering after that. guest: tell it to the hoover drivers lost their jobs last week and are no longer able -- tell it to the uber drivers who lost their jobs last week. they no longer have jobs anymore. i don't think that's the the way the economy is meant to recover. host: let's go to rachel in texas, independent line. caller: yes, i remember when the tea party started. they went after obama. president bush talked about it on meet the press that he passed tarp. all he wanted was somebody like

the tea party to raise money for the republicans. you talk about the constitution. trump has called democrats demoncrats and all kinds of names and you talk about division? didn't you all help set up trump during the capitol riot's? you were getting all those people there. you are a phony. i can't believe you are sitting there talking about the constitution. host: we will let our guest respond. guest: rachel, i think president bush did the wrong thing with fannie mae and freddie mac bailout and tarp and making businesses too big to fail and sacrificing the capitalist system and the free market system to save the free market system. all of that was wrong. john mccain was wrong to go the same way and then senator obama

was voting for it. president obama was wrong, continuing to spend and spend. i think trump to great job with cutting taxes and growing the economy. i would like to see cutting taxes, growing the economy and cutting spending all at the same time. i don't think that has ever happened in my lifetime. i think we would see growth unlike anything we have ever seen before. as far as president trump and his mean tweets, which economy do you think you're doing better under, biden or trump? host: this is a text from karen -- guest: i don't know that compromise is bad. i don't think the money we are spending in ukraine -- we are spending too much money with ukraine and we need to take care

of our borders first. i think that six really important. that's where i am. i do understand the need for a country to defend itself when is being invaded. i sound a little squishy on that but i am a child of the 80's and i know what happened in the cold war. i pay attention a little bit to history there but i also worry about where we are in our own country. even though that's where i stand, look at what just happened. they split it apart and there was still spending that was approved by republicans and democrats in the house and would be in the senate for ukraine. i am outvoted there. the process itself, does it work the way it's supposed to? there was compromise involved in that process and even if i didn't get what i wanted, the process worked. i am opposed to compromise and i'm not going to be screaming

and yelling at every single time i don't get everything i want. we need to get back the right kind of process in congress and we are not there yet. host: the website is tea party patriots. org and thanks for your time today. guest: thanks for having me. host: another perspective on it comes to spending on capitol hill, former omb official with the biden administration is now with the center for american progress. he previews the federal spending battle ahead as congress moves through the appropriation process to avoid the government shutdown in november. bobby cogan will join us next on "washington journal." >> c-span now is a free mobile app featuring your unfiltered view of what's happening in washington live and on-demand. keep up with the day's biggest events with live streams of floor proceedings and hearings from the u.s. congress, white house events, reports, campaigns

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administration is also with the center for american budget. joining us now to talk about how government is funded. thanks for giving us your time again. guest: thanks for having me on. host: can you give is your impression on how things work resolved as far as keeping the government funded for another 40 plus days? guest: sure, with a couple of hours to spare, a deal came together, something that had been off the table before then. we had roughly a cleanish continuing resolution that passed most spending on the discretionary side going to the previous levels. by and large, it kept things going through the end of november and gives congress more time that it will used to then fund full year appropriations. host: on the house side, you are seeing appropriation bills being worked on.

talk about that is a process for the funding of government. guest: each year, we do 12 appropriations bills. they are usually combined into one bill called in on the bus and sometimes a few bills called minibuses. that was called the discretionary portion of the budget and that's about1/3 of the budget. it's the things where we pick the level every year. every year we say how much money will we give nasa or nih this year. and the department of defense so that is the1/3. the house and the senate have been working on the 12 bills that the senate has marked up on a bipartisan basis. the house has marked up 10 of their 12 bills and they passed three of them and of given up on one and they are going ahead on this and it's useful to talk about what's going on. host: go ahead.

guest: one of the backdrops behind all this is coming out of the -- we almost defaulted early in the year and out of that we passed a responsibility act and in there, we had a bipartisan agreement on what level we were going to fund the government. people still have to decide how it was broken down and how much of it would go to epa or nasa and that sort of stuff but the top line that was agreed to. folks were supposed to begin writing bills at that level. part of the reason we are in such a difficult place now is the senate on a bipartisan basis started writing stuff slightly higher but the house wrote stuff significantly low the deal. when we say yes, they are going through the those, it's true but part of the issue is the bill they are writing severely under

fund the deal that was agreed to a couple of months ago. host: part of your analysis, you made some statements and i want to read some of them and get you to clarify and elaborate on them. can we start with $58 billion for nondefense bills? guest: there was a deal that was agreed to with the majority of house and senate republicans voted for it spearheaded by speaker mccarthy. that total level is for government spending. it was already a strict spending cap. it was going to reduce nondefensive discretionary money by $49 billion. then, the house republican appropriations bills cut 58 billion dollars below that for ongoing programs. if you add up the total spending

for nih and cdc and the epa and social security administration, it's 58 ilion dollars below the deal. in addition to that, they cut back a bunch of other types of spending by 94 billion dollars. that's like underfunding the deal by $152 billion. within the last week and the speaker mccarthy has indicated they are planning to do another $60 billion beyond that and they have locked in around five ilion dollars but we will see where the rest comes from. that's why we are in a difficult situation. house republicans have created these massive cuts compared to what the deal was six months ago. host: you can ask about the funding process, (202) 748-8000 for republicans, (202) 748-8001 for democrats and independents (202) 748-8002.

you can text us your thoughts at journal@c-span.org (202) 748-8003. are there differences between with the senate versus the house? guest: the senate has begun its process. it has marked them up and they had major bipartisan support. they were working on moving a minibus and i think they had 89 or 91 senators for a motion for cloture. they have huge agreement in their bills. moving an appropriations bill if everything is working right, takes a while. typically, congress will pass a continuing resolution to buy more time which is extremely common. i would say the senate is working normally in this way. host: the house is offering

lower figures that initially agreed upon, how does that impact what the senate has to do? guest: the senate can and will go ahead passing its bills. where it will matter is if the house republicans and system going significantly below the dealer setting up another showdown in mid-november. i don't think there is any appetite among senate republicans and senate democrats and house democrats and the white house of breaking the deal they did a couple of months ago. similarly, when there were budget caps for 2012-2021, they didn't go below the captain any year. there were bipartisan agreement and all nine years to go above the cap. the issue here is that house republicans are going down a path they know won't become law. to that point, there was

difficulty and they withdrew their ask of funding the department of agriculture and other agencies. they were having difficulty getting enough people to support it speaker mccarthy said don't worry, this won't become lost said don't worry about voting for it. if part of the issue is that the bill they are calling for was extreme. the ag bill is an example and it would ban pharmacies from selling the most common abortion drug while simultaneously cutting a program that helps poor, pregnant women and newborn infants for food. it's only healthy food. it's called wic. this bill would really cut back and underfund this program that helps poor pregnant women and

newborns get food. it's a pretty extreme measure. things like that are littered throughout these bills. that's why they won't become law. host: you said this and you may have reference it already -- can you elaborate on that? guest: any congress can do anything as long as it's constitutional. the appropriations committee is supposed to work on discretionary appropriation. they can pull back things that are mandatory, that are typically funded through other committees. when that is done, it is only done on a major bipartisan basis. there was a deal to do $21 billion of that but now it's $115 billion.

these were programs that were passed by other committees and inside these bills, they said i know this is another committees bill or another committees program funding but we were -- but we will pull it back anyway. host: on your twitter feed, when talking about ukraine, you have a twitter pole. i will read the question but i want to set it up for you. what percentage of the budget has ukraine assistance average? let's start with why you put the pole there in the first place? guest: guest: it was related to whoever was the main character in twitter that day. -- but we look at what percentage of the budget, and it is not enough from anyone. it is not anyone's job, it is not most people's job to be

federal budget experts. so once we have a wrong since of how big the parts of the budget are. people ask how big it is, they say it is 25% of the budget around 1% or yes -- or less. and they say we cannot do these at because of other thing any for it and it is not appropriate. and i did the pool to see what we are spending on things and how much various things cost. the potential -- host: the answers very, what is the answer? guest: it would be around 1%, but it would be under 1%. and yet -- host: and yet this

has complicated things with aid to ukraine in the past couple weeks. i'm sure you have seen that layout as well. guest: to be clear there is a bipartisan majority in each chamber. and even if the majority of everyone agrees sometimes things do not end because very specific people have made it a biggest issue. in the senate, they are continuing resolution. they were originally going to have a -- more for ukraine but they lower that. between the defense side in the department of state side. in the house version, they took out ukraine entirely. i did not know what would happen if we had -- given this all came together the day before we shut

down there was not time for full -- folks to say we did it this way what of we did it this way we were already dealing with the reality of shutting down. they are working through the house may or may not bring up a measure. it's important to a lot of members for various reasons and so we will certainly see it come up. host: lesser start taking our callers to speak with bobby kogan. good morning. democrat line. you were on. caller: good morning. i wish they would be more specific with a talk about what programs they are trying to cut. in the past they do ones that get rid of social security and medicare. when they talk about spending, that is one of the things they want to cut. and then with president trump,

in four years, he spent over $8 trillion. when they did a comparison with all the presidents over the years he is the one that had more spending. he spent over a trillion dollars in four years. and when people realize -- $8 trillion in four years and when people realize that you do tax cuts there's no money there. that's why republicans are always for the rich and the poor people and working class will suffer. and this lady previously on before you she set and said a bunch of lies that trump has not done anything. all he did was give himself and rich people tax cuts. host: ok thank you. guest: thank you for watching and calling in. i totally agree. i think it is important for people like me and everyone to be specific about this.

the thing about government spending you as people should we cut government spending and they answer it that way it would be a huge percentage of americans would say yes, we should cut this. of course. but if you ask them specifically they say not that, and you say what about this? they say not that either. the majority of the people say no to almost everything they talk about. there's a couple specifics. there's 58 billion dollars below the deal that house republicans are going to cut. and i promise i'm going to sound like a buy per --rabid partisan by talking about them with so extreme but i promise with anyone i am happy and -- happy to point you to this right legislation and you can do the work yourself, but they call for nearly an 80% cut to title i education. this grant gives to poor school so they can keep schools in

business. they have 17 or $18 billion a year and they are looking at cutting it nearly 80% leaving it at its lowest level in program history. that is not, when i first was crunching the numbers i had to triple check i worked because i thought i had misread it. and we do this grant that helps local -- states and local areas make sure the drinking water is clean. in the house republican bill cuts the bill by 59%. there was no way no one could support that but they do. to your point, we should do a better job about whipping up the specifics. i will be better about that in the future. host: mark is in south dakota. hello. caller: hello. i was downtown yesterday and i seen, like 200 people in the food line. that is ridiculous. i'm a disabled veteran.

what about our veterans today and social security? i fall for this country two years in vietnam. you know, i am an old man now and every month you've got to stretch the check, you know? it really is, i am really surprised that these politicians, you know, they still get their checks and everything. it is really sad the way -- to what america has came to, you know? host: that is marked in south dakota. let me expand a little bit with safety programs and how they could be impacted. guest: thank you for calling in. obviously i absolutely agree that the government that works to make sure that people are taken care of is the right way to do this. so i am happy to say that social security, veteran stability and compensation and veterans health care are not at risk and not up

for debate in what is coming up here. those sorts of things are totally, totally taken care of which is a great thing. we do special, we have a major housing assistance program called section housing. it is about six -- $46 billion a year giving special preference to veterans, folks with disabilities, and families with children. that sort of thing is up for debate, do not worry about your social security check and do not worry about your bet come checks or your health care. host: robert in wisconsin, independent line. next up. caller: good morning i have a question about government spending on the border and border patrol. host: go ahead, you are on. caller: good morning my name is

robert right and i have a question about the border and border spending. good morning my name is robert. host: you're going to have to stop listening to the television and go ahead with your question please. caller: good morning my name is robert and i have a question about the spending for border patrol. guest: hello thank you so much for calling. i do not have the exact center job the top of my head but my email address you can find it through the website but it is bkogan -- i will get back to you and give you a number but i do not have it off the top of my head. host: ok republican line south carolina you are on that. caller: hello? host: you are on go ahead, please. caller: i just wanted to ask how much do you think would be too much spending? would it be $50 trillion a year or, how much of a debt are you

willing to its apt? you know -- to accept, you know, and have you ever went and had dinner with somebody who works for a live-in -- a living, a middle-class guy. you say you are all for the middle class but i would say you have not talked to one in years. guest: thank you for calling in. a lot of those when we do international comparisons we do look at spending in the percentage of economy. the u.s. budget is about $6 trillion but our gdp is over $20 trillion. and so it is thinking about what we are spending relative to what we have -- it is not a perfect analogy but it is the same way we think. the u.s. relative to other countries is a low spending country.

and part of that there is a weird health care non-comparison. but the u.s. by and large is low spending country it is a lot less than other folks, we do not do much in the way of childcare or in the way of early education. we are not doing that much in terms of postsecondary education. in terms of how big it should be, that is up to congress to figure out what we can do. i would say the build back better which did not happen was about 3.5 trillion or over a decade -- more over a decade. it depends on what version you look at. that would do childcare, preschool, stuff after high school. it would have done more stuff to make it a little bit more like some of the other kind of economic wave in the country. host: it was earlier this week that representative matt gaetz was on the sunday show and he

talked about intention as far as the speaker was concerned but he also talked about the house appropriations bill and particularly their efforts on spending. i want to share what he had to say with the process and then get your response to it. >> as a 12 year lawmaker in the level, the house passes legislation and the senate does and then you work to iron out the differences. i believe that as a way for them to take the most conservative position and then engagement negotiation. where the negotiation has failed all americans of all stripes is when it centers around what you will hang on with a continuing resolution or opposite bill. the sober and adult way it -- to handle this is with the open mmn. and if people do not want to go to the open amendment, they can vote no and voters can hold people accountable. the reason we sit atop a 33

trillion dollar debt is because a system has been designed in d.c. or no one is responsible for the spending. here is what you are missing, mccarthy agreed to this. you may not like this bill and there's too many boats and too much governing. but mccarthy reached it in january -- host: he said a lot about the process, what do you think? guest: [laughter] thanks, pedro. i think some of it is right and some is wrong. we tend to link it altogether for the movement and making sure that no bills are left hanging. there's always a worry that if you fund 10 out of 12 bills what would happen to the remaining two with that part of the government shutdown and there not being enough support to keep that open. i think what i would say is that busy doing -- the hyper majority of the time, not always, but most of the time the stuff under

the hood has already been negotiated. so you have this time beforehand for input from the caucus and the members and everything to make that happen. obviously, if people have not gotten to see that before that would be difficult. i totally agree the house should do one version and the senate should do another version and then figure out what people agree on. what makes this year different is there was very pre-agreement of what happens -- not under the hood but what the total level would be at and they say we are ignoring the level and will do a different level. there's plenty of debate on how the individual programs and agencies will be funded. i do not think there is room for debate on what it totally should be because we already agreed on that. host: marcus join us, maryland. democrat line. caller: we know the money really

came from the congress and the first place. the debt comes from them. from their paychecks. why not go right back to something that used to work it was cutting their pay. why hasn't the president made in order to actually cut their pay? we know the debt is from their pay because it only existed in 1960 or 1970. the debt actually comes from them to keep raising paychecks over and over. they just did it wet, last week? they raise the pay again. minimum wage pay but they do not raise the support. i asked my aunt how much she got paid when she started working she said $3.35 and i am wondering, $3.35 when i started working it was four dollars 25 cents. she started working in 1918. bobby, tell us where it is the debt come from in the first

place? host: that is marcus. and he directs congressional salaries i suppose. guest: thank you for calling in. i wrote a report in march with my staff trying to figure out how we went from balanced budget and long-term projection to lower declining debt. and the clinton era through now. my report which you can look up kind of pins it on tax cuts. they went disproportionately to the rich. and what my analysis shows is that if not for that debt we still have debt right now but debt would be climbing at the -- percent of gdp in the long run. and so, i would encourage folks to look at the. the other point i would make is a lot of people touch on how spending in security and medicare and that sort of kind

of stuff. and we had places where our tax revenue was said to keep up with the ending yes it will go up from the demographic changes but revenue would keep up not because of more tax increases but because we were getting richer as a nation and the richer it is the more it automatically brings in that. tax earnings. and we did too and nora missed tax cuts -- two tax cuts and that we do not have that. host: why not factor that into the debt deficit? guest: for this rescue plan it was a one time debt. it did increase the nominal amounts of that, gdp but it did not change the long term trajectory because that gets changed out in the next couple years. it did not change the long term trajectory. of pay or if we have revenues that outweigh that's.

in terms of the inflation reduction act or i cannot remember, i don't remember if that is what you said. host: yeah. guest: that increased spending in one area and decrease in another area. net spending have more revenue coming in. that when will end up being probably about roughly deficit neutral over the long run. it will increase spending in some areas but bring it more taxes from fewer people cheating on their taxes. host: to what degree is the spending from this administration and previous ones? some say it is this administration. i am skeptical -- guest: i am skeptical when you pump more into the economy it does run higher. we did see an inflation hike all over the advance world and we saw it come down everywhere.

their signs in the country. and right now the u.s. has the strongest real growth of g7 in almost any country. and then we have the lowest inflation. we have the highest wrote in the lowest inflation. so, to me from a starting point, i do not think it makes sense. the other thing i would wait out is that the congressional budget office like congress -- they have a concept called potential gdp where if you're running below potential the economy is under -- it has more room. and if it is above potential they say it is causing excess inflation. if you look at the congressional budget. potential gdp and actual gdp about where the economy is with potential, they would say in one order we ran fairly above potential, but otherwise we were below potential during the

entire pandemic response. that showed that they do not think that we over stimulated the economy. what happened was we had a massive pandemic that disrupted supply chain and completely change people's spending habits i spent differently than i did in 2019. it takes a while for companies to shift their production lines to match. the first change in spending is permanent and then they need to change the production. i -- the house oversight committee. if you google bobby kogan i have a graph on this. and i have one you should check out. host: and we have the national debt sitting at $33 trillion. i suppose the average american looks at that and has concern. what how do you look at the number? guest: thank you for the

question. i tend to use a different number which is still a big number but that number tends to be used by the people who are trying to scare you. i'm not saying you are trying to do that but the people that have been in oh and they -- that includes the number with the debt. and we rewrite ourselves and give ourselves money and then we write an iou in fiction. there is no real change in assets. it does not bring interest. that would be $5 trillion. the better number is 27 or $28 trillion. pretty high. i think the right way to look at it is the percentage of our economy the way the most country looks at it gives us a sense of how well we are able to handle it. that shows us where we are. the question that people have

about long-term debt stability, is it on a path to go up or is it stable or on a path to shrink , regardless of what the nominal amount is. and to be clear the congressional budget things it will go up. i think that is where folks should be focusing. i reiterate my point that -- we have to go down forever. and it is good for me to say in the next question should we do anything about it and what is there to be done about it? first off the right way to look at it is gdp consider aiding -- considering. and tax cuts. host: before we go back to calls are the tax cuts administered by the bush administration are they going to expire next year? if they do, what happens. guest: the trump ones will

expire the bush ones are permanent in the bipartisan basis by the administration -- by the obama administration. the bush ones that were extended were huge and permanent and ongoing. the truck one, the ones for corporations where they were made permanent for individuals will not be permanent. the one for individuals and households are set to expire in 2025. it is about 1% of gdp. and maybe 300 or so billion dollars -- anyway, maybe i should not have been numbers because i did not have them write in my head. how much will be extended is up for debate. we will have to see. but the creates an upward pressure on the long term trajectory. the number i use for the fiscal gap, how much deficit reduction you need, it is about 2% gdp.

that assumes the individual portion goes away. if you extend the trump tax cuts, the individual version raises 2% gdp up to 3% gdp. that is a big increase. host: let's hear from colorado the independent line. raymond europe next. hello. yet -- you are up next. hello. caller: hello i have a question what if he cut the subsidies in half to all businesses the industries and forms? and the second comment and a what-if question what we had a 14% tax of everybody, of everything every business in the united states? and in my third comment, the united states border. if we were to have a one tends part in the south, as soon as the people come up and load them

on the plane and send them back to their source country we would save america a lot of money. host: you put a lot out there but we will stick to the first two subsidies and the tax. guest: sure on the subsidies it depends on how broad we are taking the look. the gas subsidies are under $50 billion a year. it is a lot more than nothing, but for the fiscal gap it is 2% of gdp in gdp is over, i will -- i don't have a number in my head but if it is over $20 trillion to scent of that is a lot even -- 2% of that is a lot even if we cut it in half. so my estimate of the bush and truck tax cuts is about a trillion dollars a year. we are talking kind of large, you know, yes, there is a lot to focus on and look at here, but it is a large rather large tax cut that pushes it. and foreign stuff, it depends on

how broad you want to go. in terms of the black tax, i am flat tax. i can say that most that pushed the flat tax due their numbers wrong. and a lot of the, 80% of the income is often the top 10 or 20% of people. so if you, they are paying an effective tax rate significantly over 14%. so if you lower their taxes at 14% they will end up with massive tax cut. on the in -- on the flipside we will do tax increases on the portable -- on the poor folks. and the reason we do a flat tax is that it feels easier we are all doing 10% but it ends up

being a tax increase on those that are poor and an increase on the ash a decrease on those that are richer. and a flat tax may feel fair but we all deal with money differently..think about it if someone is making 40, 30 grand a year and they get a 5% increase pay increase versus someone making 200 grand a year and they get a 5% increase. that 5%, i may get the numbers wrong but the 5% increase on the household making 30 grand a year that will mean a lot more to them then 5% increase in those making 200 year because they need it more. similarly if you're taxing at the same rate, the 14% or 10% whatever percentage you pick, will hit those who are poor harder. it feels fair and equal it ends up being on a utility basis

really regressive because it hurts those most who need the most. host: gabriel a massachusetts. republican line. guest: hey good morning how caller: -- caller: hey good morning how are you guys doing? host: go ahead you are on. caller: ok i want to say thank you to the guest. thank you so much. i was a lifelong conservative. what i really started to switch was as i got older as -- i started to travel and i saw that so many other countries have figured out any of our problems. i think america most -- [indiscernible] host: apologies to the color you are breaking up. apologies for that. caller: let's go to -- let's go to stephen ohio. democrat line. caller: good morning. i have two unrelated questions. one is with this speak of regular order.

i'm not exactly sure what they mean by that. i assume that it means they do each appropriation bill separately, i believe, but then the other related question is the, congress has the power to borrow money. i guess the constitution gives them that power. so, you know, how did they figure out their debts? debate do it on and creation bill basis? each -- appropriation bill basis? debate decide that bill on the amount of taxation related to that appropriation bill and what the negative is and then they come to some agreement on the level of borrowing for each appropriation bill? whether there is a separate threshold for how much they are borrowing versus how much they are paying. host: let me leave it there because we have a few minutes left and you put a lot out there

for the guest as far as the process. go ahead. those are awesome questions. very good questions. regular order means different things to different people. but you basically got it right. some say going through the 12 individually. everyone would agree that that means, the appropriations committee they have the 12 subcommittees one for each of the 12 bills that end up funding the 30% of the government. everyone agrees the 12 committees are supposed to write the bills, mark them up in the subcommittee and then the full committee is supposed to mark them up and send them to the floor. whether they are then passed one bill at a time or done in minibuses i think a lot of people would say i will do minibuses that is fine but everyone agrees the first steps are supposed to happen for it to be regular order. what they want to avoid is we did not bother marking them up in all input.

we just threw them all together in the last second at the floor. a 1000 page bill and we did not get a chance to look at it. that is what they want to avoid. once the house and senate have done that, that is normal. that is with the regular order is. some people fight about how regular it is. your second question, awesome also. we used two, congress used to actively approve every measure of debt. saying ok we will go spend, we will go do these tariffs however or the excess taxes. but they would say we are approving a $50 million bond, it would not be a million back then because everything was molar, but they would approve the amount of debt. starting in world war i we allowed the treasury to approve up to a certain amount. we created the debt limit and we said ok instead of having to roof every single group of debt we will let you issue debt up to

a certain amount. it has been tweaked a little bit but by and large bet is what we do ever since. currently we suspended the debt omit. that is -- limit. that is more than the past decade and typically you can borrow as needed but otherwise you can opt out. what is weird is that most countries do not do it this way, to your point congress goes and says this is our tax spending policy. on the one hand when you have spending and tax policy that create debt and deficit and we have a thing that says theoretically you are not allowed to have the debt. most countries say if you want to address the deficit you just change your budget. we are a country where we simultaneously as with our spending and also our taxes and debt limit. host: -- we have

republican on the line. go ahead. caller: yes there's been a lot of talk about the bush and trump tax cuts. i am a republican from texas. there's been a lot of talk about how those cuts -- the republican party is now the party of the wealthy. bill gates is wealthy, he is not a democrat. bruce springsteen is very wealthy, he's not a republican. dianne feinstein died, tragic, have you taken a look at her billionaire husband? host: those three examples, what is the point, hold on, what is the point you're trying to make only because we are running out of time. you brought up examples but what do you want our guest to answer? caller: -- the claims made or

incorrect as far as the republican party the wealthy card -- party. guest: guest: thank you for the call. in terms of the demographics, for support for various parties, i could not tell you the exact breakdown of support across different wealth bands. i can just tell you that if you look at all independent analyses from the text -- tax policy center or the congressional ones during taxation they all show that the bush tax cuts and the truck tax cuts disproportionately gave tax cuts to folks the richer you got. so that is an example. those making $400 -- $400,000 got a bigger percentage cut than those making $250,000 and they got a bigger percentage than

those making 100 -- $100,000. no matter how you put it the richer you got you got a bigger spending cuts. and i am here trying to explain the actual distributional analysis of this. host: you can find our guest work at bobby cogan.org. he served in the biden administration he is a federal budget policy senior director. thank you for your time. guest: thank you so much for having me on. host: we finish the program with open forum a. you can call in with your comments on matters of politics. republicans (202) 748-8001, democrats (202) 748-8000, independents (202) 748-8002. call in now and we will take those goals in just a moment. ♪ announcer: monday, watch c-span

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for talking points to support him after he fired safe backlash pulling the fire alarm. this occurred saturday when the gop temporary spending bill to avert a government shutdown. that is being voted on. you can see that in the washington times this morning if you turn the page to the new york times we showed you a little bit of former president trump's first day of trial concerning rod. the new -- concerning fraud. the new york times looks at the person responsible to make the decision arthur in garon who is presiding over the trial described as it independent and thoughtful. a quirky juror who has served over 20 years in new york city supreme court. the 70-year-old judge will the deciding the fate of mr. trump new york is mrs.. it makes up a large portion of his real estate empire. the case was brought under the state law -- that there be a

bench trial. the judge not only apprise -- applies the law and also decides the fact. and a task that the jury would otherwise perform. that means that he a democrat will play a prominent and consequential role in the jury not just during the preceding and with the ultimate outcome. that is a little bit of what is going on when it comes to the new york case. eric starts us off on open forum he is in connecticut. democratic line. hello. caller: hello, thank you. i wanted to get as much info as i could especially as far as timing goes from the, based on the motion to void the mccarthy position as speaker. some how much time do we have before we will be worn with the votes coming up? host: it depends.

earlier on we were speaking to a reporter on these things it could take place as early as this week and the next couple days. it could be tabled. there a lot of avenues. once the decision was made yesterday. it is your interest in the decision specifically? caller: i just watch them go through 100 rounds. i thoroughly expect trump to have his name put up. and i just want it for the fun, i know it is terrible for the country, but entertainment. host: ok mark isn't in new jersey. independent line. hi. caller:hi, i'm sorry i was back on the taxes but i guess we are on a different subject. with regard to biz area, it seems that everybody backs the side that benefits them. that is the emphasis of it and we did not know what is behind anyone who is fitted in a particular situation. when a republican backs someone

it is safer for them. people are in jeopardy, their careers are in jeopardy. if everyone got investigated the way trump got investigated if everybody got investigated in the fashion where you find the person who did the crime, that is one aspect to someone's benefit. and so the democrat vote it locks them. i looked at it yesterday or some other time on c-span looking up votes and they vote completely, democrats rather vote down the line and lock stuff. where republicans do not. and i think people vote in terms of what benefit them or what threatens them. and this threatens people in a very pronounced way. people are proud to speak out, parents are afraid to speak out and we are kind of in a police situation. who knows what will come out? host: that is mark from new jersey. the previous caller ask about timing. we had brooke joining us earlier

this morning. you can find the interview online. but she said it vote on the motion to vacate will come up with two legislative dates but is likely the house rather than voting on a resolution it self they will vote on a mechanism to kill or delay it and tabled a resolution. andy biggs of arizona, eli crane of arizona, bob good virginia said they would support gaetz's move. and while he was still, "praying" about it he said that his conscious tells him to vote him out. and that is about having those speaker vacated. and in ohio, democrat line. we have catherine. caller: good morning thank you for taking my call. my call this morning is this. ims dumped -- i am stumped, the have the white house, we have a

house, we have the senate, and the white house is one half of one third. and the half of the republicans have about 20 members who want to rule what is done everywhere. i'm sorry, but i thought that we lived in a majority country where the majority, i am sure kevin mccarthy has promised the 80 normal republicans something otherwise they would not have voted for him. so i do not understand why david 20 who are the foulest people in that house, not only debase a foul things, but they do what we consider, i am 75, if i in my age, if a man sells a woman up in a theater you would be

shamed. but not in this congress, they act like they where that as a badge. host: that is catherine. that is one of the republicans that went to the house or yesterday. he went to push back against removing speaker mccarthy from the speaker chair. here is part of his argument from yesterday. >> faced with an imminent shutdown, we directed the speaker to put a 45 day continuing resolution on the floor without the bs reforms is the only way to avert a shutdown and continue our work to complete the appropriations assess -- process. we cannot wait until november to complete this work. yet now we are faced with the threat that a republican would vacate the republican speaker of the how to -- house.it would require for other republican members to join to achieve this result. the immediate effect would to be to their allies the house indefinitely because no is and is can be taken up until another

replacement is elected. just we are on the verge of completing the appropriations process which in turn will have negotiations with the senate that are vital to maintain the dangerous path that our country is on. i cannot conceive a more counterproductive and self destructive course than that. the supreme irony is that this is initiated by self and drive -- self-described conservatives. did they honestly believe with the democrats side with them with removing the speaker that they would name a more conservative replacement? of course not. the democrats will certainly have the most liberal republican to establish a left and center coalition to run the house. this is exactly what happened in california 1994. coalition speaker will move the administration speaker to the house sharply to the left and effectively end the room -- republican house majority that the people elected in 2022.

i am calling republican colleagues to look past their prejudices, passions, errors of opinion, local interests, and selfish views and to make a wise decision when it is meted -- needed most in this critical time in our country. host: again expect more of that to play out this week in the house. follow on c-span, our app c-span now or the website c-span.org. in the senate as well as they deal with their work they will gavel out early this week to attend a funeral for senator dianne feinstein that passed away last week. in michigan, independent line. go ahead. caller: good morning united states. i would like to take a look at the tax cuts. as far as essential services, i believe that essential services, if anything needs to get a tax

break, however, i think there should be a percentage of economic fairness when it comes to a tax increase as far as a windfall tax on our economy to balance this. slow it down so to speak. so they can figure out what is going on. both sides are really against this, a lot of different things but i think they need to come together and stop looking at -- start looking at windfall profit tax for essential services and even for essential services farming, groceries, health care especially. host: ok that is dave in michigan. when it comes to the matters of health care bbc reporting that major countries -- companies

including johnson & johnson and others heard -- are participating with drug negotiation pricing -- pricing negotiation with the federal government area although there are lawsuits from the drug companies to fight negotiations the prices are not expected until 2024 and older americans will not see and if it until 2026. for care and medicaid services in prescription drugs. you can find the link online. alabama next, democratic line. this is larry, the low -- hello. caller: i don't understand why there is a talking point that seems to be wholeheartedly just swallowed, one hundred percent by republicans. this is concerning the issue with bill gates being the top leader of all democrat and he is the bullseye. what are they not understand what is wrong, what is going

wrong? the tax cuts from bush, the tax cuts from trump really took down the economy. we are suffering is a part of it. that is part of the mix. i did not understand why they will not admit that at all. they act like there is nothing wrong that trump ever did. the other thing is, why is tommy tuberville voting and representing alabama but he is living in florida? how is it that they all follow this guy and he is old enough, military motion for so long. thank you. host: from pennsylvania, independent line. scott, hello. caller: hello. a lot of things i would love to talk about but i will keep it simple, you cannot make everybody in america believe

that, i don't know, i am sorry i just, -- i don't believe that america should be, like the lady said earlier today -- the minority are the ones that are trying to block their -- to stop the government shutdown the government like the lady said earlier. it is a majority that matters, it is not the minority. 20 people, 20 republicans think they can force america to do things. this is a democracy and that is the way it is -- that is the way it is supposed to be. things are supposed to be voted on it is not my way or the highway. and it has been that way from day one. you've got all your callers calling in demanding. you know from the beginning about 5-6 years ago demanding had to be done their way. it is my way or the highway. this is a democracy.

same thing with take your mask off, it is my way or the highway or i will come get you. host: that is got in pennsylvania. the supreme court out of session and they were ordered that justice clarence thomas took a break from his practices in earlier cases and recused himself monday when the court turned down an appeal from a architect of a plant to subvert the 2020 election. as is custom the court gave no reasons for denying the review and the appeal was filed by john eastman of federal lawyer with vice president donald trump. and mr. eastman had served in the long-term, he offered no explanation for his decision and this all of five himself from the case. his wife known as ginny participated to overturn the election and mr. eastman's petition was viewed in the long shot and was eliciting no long shot from the party and he did not file a briefing. laura in kansas republican line. you're up next. caller: hello?

host:hi, you're on. caller: oh ok. number one i -- i have a couple things i want to say. first of all i want to say michelle obama was the dumbest first lady we ever had. and i want to say that matt baker is due bit and a liar. he would not even vote for the conservative bill that kevin brought up. he voted against it. nothing pleases him. he -- he is -- is hurting the republican party. i think the republicans need to oust him. and i think mccarthy is doing a good job and i agree with the last color. about the --caller. about the

democrats. it is my way or the highway, that is the way they are area host: ok democrat line. this is simon in kentucky. caller: hello? host: you are on. caller: i have one comment about gates going after mccarthy. it is sad to see the republicans have splintered from what, from the -- basically you have two parts of the republican party the so-called freedom caucus republicans and then you also have the traditional conservatives. they are going at each other's throats. and i, if i am a democrat challenging one of the seat in 2023 or 2024, this would be the perfect goldmine to take seats back in the house. that is all i have for today. you have a good day. host: simon in kentucky. the washington post has a

picture of the two latest nobel prize winners. they did win a prize for their work that was greatly impacted particularly during the pandemic. if you go to the page of the washington post they write that the power of the messenger rna it is obvious it is the backbone of the covid-19 vaccines that save millions of lives. and the genetic material -- was considered an unlikely possibility but it was their complementary knowledge that help to unravel a way to chemically tweak messenger rna turning biology into useful medical technology ready to change the world. the pandemic struck again and they have a nobel prize for their effort. you can find that on the washington post. independent line. this is hector. caller: yes. i was wondering if you guys could arrange to have -- a

chairperson when you have guest on. the lady you have from the tea party, there were so many lies it is unbelievable. you need to have in fact checked. that is 1, 2, does members of the house and senate get money to maintain their offices other than their salary of $174,000? and three, the ppp loans that were turned into grants, if one could check how many people in the house and senate got money that turned out to be grants. host: ok let's hear from ray. republican line. caller: good morning yeah something i never heard until a while back is that the u.s. department of justice estimates that one in 10 children of a certain group have been sexually molested. that group is estimated that the

people that do that are greater than 100 times -- what catholic priests are accused of. and i never heard anything about this group. and it is shocking to me that this has never been brought out or mentioned anywhere in the news media. and if you look on wikipedia, just look up what priests are accused of sexually molesting children, one out of 10 children they -- more than 100 times and i you bring it up because i'm not going to tell you. . host: ok go ahead and tell us. caller: no, you look it up. host: ok i was just wondering if you want to look it up. caller: ok look it up.

i don't want to tell you. you can check and see. i'm not crazy or something. look it up. host: ok. next caller. caller: last saturday which was the 30th of last month, i was listening to mark levin. he had a guess that was talking on the authority of the people in congress. and the question to him was why are you hearing just the house criticize biden and b's investigations. and he replied, this is what his answer was, he says o'connell which is the minority leader in the senate has a shipping business. and he says the chinese government is funding this

business and he said the chinese government is building the ships and the chinese government is using the ships. and the reason why mcconnell doesn't say anything is because if he does china will pull the rug under his feet. and if that is the case, then i can see why china is buying thousands of acres of land around our military grounds. this government is so corrupt it is unbelievable. have you heard anything about that? host: lana, richmond virginia, you are next up. hello. caller: good morning my name is alana. i wanted to say and speak out against u.n. security council approving -- the enforcing the violent gangs in haiti and the people of haiti do not like their government. and i wanted to speak against

it. i do not understand why kenya villa terry is going to be involved with haiti. i was speaking with my friend ginger earlier and we were discussing how white women buy into white the primacy. the white women who have been feeling hurt about this i am so sorry but it is the history of your group that you are talking against especially women of color and black women's paying you are not or it. host: alana. i forgot the state. let's hear from jesus in florida, democrat line. caller: good morning, pedro. host: good morning you are on we have about two minutes for the house comes on so jump right in. caller: ok i am glad to talk to you. we both know, immigrants, not you, you were brought here probably, but i want to know what people come from and they own this country. this country is created by immigrants and immigrant

workers. and i have been here 56 years and this is the greatest country in the world. why are we bashing the country doing things that got us, i don't know. they should have the house doing some things. thank you. host: ok paul in florida. independent line. you are next up. go ahead. caller: good morning i just want to say america has got a spending problem. i do not disagree that there needs to be some changes to the tax laws, but we've got to get our spending under control. from a budget and point as a family, i cannot overspend my income every year, i cannot do it. the american government is the only thing i can see that just borrows, borrows, borrows and does not have any way to pay it all back. how are we going to get this under control?

democrats and republicans and even independent need to come together. but we've got to get spending under control. host: that is paul in florida. the house of representatives is coming in from the daily session. depending on what happened in the day and next couple days as far as the matt gaetz effort to oust the speaker. you will see that play out and you can continue to follow along on our main channel c-span one that is where we have a coverage of the house and then c-span2 we continue, you can watch on there. and if you're out and about you can download the mobile app c-span now to follow along that way as well. the house of representatives is about to go in. we take you to them now. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2023] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org]