♪ host: good morning everyone on this thursday, october 5.

following the ouster of kevin mccarthy as speaker of the house. this morning, we want to hear from you, your message to washington. do you want members of congress to compromise or stick to their principles? when some republicans saying kevin mccarthy compromised too much and some democrats saying he did not compromise enough. that is our question for all of you this morning. republicans (202) 748-8001, democrats (202) 748-8000, independents (202) 748-8002. all of you can text us and include your first name, city, and state. you can join us on facebook.com/c-span or at x with the handle at c-span wj. we stick to the principles, or

compromise, what is your view of congress? the house will return to washington and one order of business will be the election of a new speaker. here are the candidates. republican jim jordan of ohio and scull -- under speaker kevin mccarthy. these two say they are running from the top spot. there are potential candidates, mike johnson, jodey arrington, -- and possible steve scalise and others. let's hear from president biden who yesterday was asked about

working with the new republican leadership. here is what he had to say. >> the rest of your domestic and foreign policy initiative being in peril because of what we saw yesterday area dysfunction in congress and chaos on the house. does that concern you in any way? >> the dysfunction always bothers me. there will be some that try to come in, i am sure. there are extreme mega republicans -- who would like to eliminate everything up done but i do not think that will get they. host: president biden when asked about working with the new republican readership. this morning what you think democrats and republicans should do?

should they work togeth a compromise or stick to their principles? mac in california up early with us ts morning democratic caller go ahead. let me push the button. caller: yeah. can you hear me ok? host: yes we can now. caller: i've been watching you for years. and sticking to the issues, i am from california probably about 100 miles from where speaker mccarthy represents. i am a very active teamster. mccarthy gave too much away. matt gaetz, i have to agree with one thing he says we have to address the $33 trillion.

i'm proud of the democratic members for standing strong and standing united. things will work out, things will settle down. from has the board now, the republicans will find their way. hopefully they will come to their senses and work with the democrats for america. america has always been great, but we are greater when we work together. regardless of what parties and our politics, we have to start putting america first and forget about this lunatic trump. host: two questions you started out saying the former speaker gave too much away. that sounds like you think he compromise and too much. caller: with the 15 votes to get the speakership, one vote to draw him out, how stupid is that? you know what i mean? host: ok so you think, you blame

him because he negotiated the ability. he allowed the conservatives one person to bring emotion -- caller: yeah he wanted. i follow pull -- politics big time. i am a political junkie. he wanted the speakers gavel. he would do anything to get it. some guys want a title and i want a leader that does not want to title that wants to deliver whatever democrat or republican. and i vote several republicans for city council, travel out of the air force base people that i research. and we campaign for them. i could care less what party they are, especially with all the politics. at the national level, the whole world is watching us. come on, i want republicans,

many of them who are great people and they served our country. they keep the other way. supporting trump now is like standing at that -- host: ok i don't want to go too far down that road. the second plate -- point you made is lawmakers need to put america first. how do you respond to the argument that democrats did not do that when they sided with congressman matt gaetz and they voted to oust speaker mccarthy. they could have voted for the institution to keep him in place. ? caller: sometimes to get to the finish line or to the future that will bring us back together, sometimes you have to hold the line. it's going to hurt if you get it. we are definitely in uncharted waters. this is never happened before, but i think they will choose a better leader now whether it is

scalise or jordan you know i don't want to get into personalities. they will work through this. i'm glad they went home to calm down. they got to get their caucus together. but there will be people that come to their senses. i know they will not jump ship to the democrats, we just want them to come back towards the center and let the matt gaetz and desantis from florida, the far right is too far, far right. host: alright mac says compromise. donald u.s. -- florida, republican. caller: well -- host: you have to meet your television. caller: i'm sorry, of got to go. i don't know how to do this. i'm sorry. bye. host: ok, call in, mute the

television, talk through your phone, that is how it is done. we have dave on the line. caller: hello we have a district that will be in place. i want to thank congressman gaetz and the other brave seven from trying to end the shutdown of the biting power of the american people. shutdown cry -- high prices at the supermarket. and all the necessities of life. people cannot afford to stay alive. voting for continued resolution of the biden hello see budget which caused ms. problem, the cr stands for continuing to rob. you are continuing to rob the american people. it is easy for senators to be critical of what the house does because they have a six-year term and they will not get blamed for a bad budget. the house is what will get blamed. democrats and republicans should

work together but the goal should be cost-of-living. this is the key issue now. people cannot afford to live. congress was sent here to do that and if they have to vacate the speaker or your individual voters have to vacate your representative on election day then that is what has to be done because it is about the cost of living. no one has taken any action on this. as far as ukraine funding, the biden budget and ukraine funding has taken the food out of the mouth of tens of billions of american people the way no for an enemy could ever do. no foreign enemy could come and take the food out of their mouth the way the biden budget is doing so. so the bottom line is thank you ralph eight and it is refreshing to see that there are still people in america with a spine. host: ok dave. for you and others listening to the reader in the senate, mitch mcconnell yesterday was talking with reporters about the ouster

of kevin mccarthy as speakers and vowing to work with democrats. >> i would like to start by thanking speaker mccarthy for his service. we had a great personal relationship. we've been trying to lead to very different parts of the american government. i think he has much to be proud of. avoided a government shutdown. we did the inevitable with regard to the debt ceiling. and one person, -- and i am, one person, is extremely grateful for his service. i have no message to give to republicans except for one. i hope to the next speaker is gets rid of the motion to

vacate. i think it makes the speakers job impossible. the american people expect us to have a functioning government. on the senate side, we need to get our, as many appropriation bills passed as possible. the majority leaders indicated that is what he would like to do as well and he will have plenty of cooperation from us in trying to achieve as close to a regular appropriations process as we possibly can. host: the republican leader in the senate, which mcconnell, saying senate republicans will cooperate with democrats on the appropriations assets going forward. do you -- appropriation process going forward. do you agree with him or do you think they should stand their ground?

no ukraine funding, no to other provisions and insistence that order security provision be put into any larger bill or another continued resolution. that's, of course, made its return here in washington id -- in mid-november. what you say on this question? caller: i do not think that democrats realize that mccarthy put out, they voted for the, not to have one person be able to put the speaker out when they had that vote. this is a mess that the republicans have gotten themselves into. ever since mccarthy agreed to that when he went, in order to be elected speaker. so he reached what he sold.

now he's going back and saying the democrats put him out, it is the republicans who put him out. they voted again and again until they put him out. what will happen to the next speaker? you just heard mitch mcconnell he thinks we need to get rid of the idea. it is all on the republican and they in following this guy named donald trump and this is the whole they have been digging the last six years. it has come to roost and now they say we've got to work together. that's all i have to say. host: you are a democrat calling from alabama. matt gaetz after the vote to oust kevin mccarthy as speaker he told reporters that the next round of vote for speaker that he would not sits. the motion to vacate by one person continues to be part of any rules package for the congress. here is one republican from

florida -- jimenez tweeting this out. i'm not appointing anyone for speaker intel there is a reform to the motion to vacate. the coup against speaker mccarthy was despicable and can never happen again. no one can govern appropriately with being taken on by fringe -- process makers. christina calling in. you want to see republicans compromise or stick to their votes? caller: well, really this is all just a big rig. it is a big set up. they -- getting out of the constitution. it is a big set up. there is no one-way or the other. it is already set with what they are doing. the bidens and whoever, the liberals, conservatives who ever you want to call it. they are democrats.

all this is it is about trump, the stocks, and getting the congress did not do their jobs so they can get to new congress over to convert all the currency over to more money. digital money. that is what they are doing, that is what the whole thing is all about. when it is all said and done. whether it is directly or indirectly it does not matter. it is the truth. the bottom line is this, there's a lot of craft going -- a lot of crap going on. and they are doing this with nobody a hind it. they are not asking society at all. host: richelle in san antonio. democratic caller. caller: the woman who just spoke seems to illustrate certain people live in an alternate universe. i do not feel that the blame is

simply for democrats is well-placed. the maga plays by the rules that have been set up and with the cycle of voting record the agreed to. it is crazy, absolutely crazy. now what do we have to do? we will have the speaker -- get mad and slammed the gavel down and then he wants people who were not even there to vote to vacate the office. it is insane. now, as far as the people who are being offered up as candidates, that cannot happen. and marjorie greene wants trump. and there are rules that govern the speaker of the house. scalise

is tainted by his support of kkk and affiliation with them. jordan i have questions about him with legalities and he was a coach. and trump of course he has been indicted so he will never be the speaker of the house. we look at something -- i think it is jim patrick's -- he is embarrassing to the american government. his picture is not even hung in the hall of leadership. mccarthy used the system, no leadership, week, a glory hound and gave everything away and allowed matt gaetz to do this to him. now we will be on another cliff around thanksgiving because i do not believe that the republicans will be able to feel a candidate

is worthy of being the speaker of the house .matt gaetz -- house. again, it is the speaker of the trust. of the people. voting one thing and then going on television and saying another thing. host: new york times reporter covering capitol hill rights in the front page of the newspaper this morning contenders via to find a speaker. mccarthy was undone. in his analysis piece he says he failed to master the art of corralling a deeply divided republican majority that could never bring itself to rally behind him when it came time to choose normalcy over chaos. with gop base increasingly hungry for insurgency and confrontation is -- mr. mccarthy down himself out of step a consequence likely to plague any candidate that concedes him. mccarthy gave concession after

concession to win their vote. the hard right, that is to become speaker. he went back on some one he -- some of the ones he cared about most. it proved it is impossible to accomplish in a divided government. that is the peace in the new york times this morning. don in indianapolis, independent. good morning. what do you think? caller: good morning. i think both sides, really right now at least they are both sticking to their guns. we can try to start making american number one. i think they should stick to their guns. this is the big show so you might as well sit back and enjoy the ride. sit back and enjoy the strange times. host: that is alan, brooklyn. democratic caller. caller: good morning thank you.

i will try to be brief. the republicans arrested under educated about the basics of the constitution but the house and selection of the speaker. and did not do as good a job as c-span does on educating the public there would be less confusion here. we been misinformed about the nature of the speaker and the way he is supposed to be selected. and those that provide for his selection in the house have a mechanism very similar to what was originally established with the revenue by the government which is supposed to be by a majority of the vote of the members of the house. that reflected the majority of the population of the founding era because there were no parties and there was no such thing as gerrymandering.

so that there was no conversion of a majority of the population in the minority of the house. when you had the ability to use partisan gerrymandering to pick house members, you can have a majority of the population having fewer seats. therefore, allowing the majority of those seated to pick a speaker and then they pick someone who represents the minority of the relation in control. there is no way we should be doing the speaker selection in a highly partisan manner that we do now as long as parties and gerrymandering are in existence, we should be allowing all the members, democrats and republicans to have and eat voice throughout the term of any house and not have anything like a hamster ruled that wipes out the ability of the other party

to even have a voice in legislation. that is contrary to the constitutional clause. it reflects so much of what is going on in the last few centuries. we are already non-authored -- government. and in the college they are waiting the vote -- now we make more and more rules that continue to enhance the power of the minority by using things like the filibuster and the senate. host: ok allen in brooklyn there. he missed it at the top -- in case you missed it at the top we give you the latest of the potential candidates jim jordan ,of ohio said he will seek the

speakership along with steve scalise serving -- serving as majority leader. if he runs there will be a race for his slot as well. the potential republican candidates for those who have been mentioned in other as people would like to see in the post is kevin hearns, mike johnson jodey arrington others have mentioned byron donalds of florida and tom emmer of minnesota. those are some of the names being floated. the next potential speaker of the house of representatives. this morning as we wait for the race to get underway next week in washington we want to know what is your message to congress? to compromise? stick to prince oles? steve scalise recently -- stick to principles?

steve scalise recently talking to reporters had this to say about his health situation. >> i, a little over a month ago was diagnosed with why loma as you know, but we had quick decisions to make in the hospital and that was do we go into an aggressive form of chemotherapy, my oncologist in new orleans who would continue to consult with on a regular basis has been phenomenal at walking me through what i need to do to first focus on my health. that has been the main focus. how do we address the cancer because the cancer put in the hospital and was doing a lot of damage to my body. we had to get control over that and have a plan and luckily they had a plan and treatment that have been approved by the fda for many years on this form of cancer that many people have in using for decades. thank god.

and i have made a decision to aggressively pursue it. i am a month into the treatments. the way that it works with this form of cancer is that it goes a little over 3.5 weeks of treatment and then they want to evaluate and see how your body is responding. they make tweaks and then you do another 3.5 week of treatment for a. -- for a period of months until they feel like you don't need treatment anymore. last week i did a full round of evaluations that's where i was. with my doctors running a lot of tests, they came back with the test and the good news is the cancer has dropped dramatically because of the successful chemotherapy attacking cancer. thank god the prayers have been answered. we continue to follow my doctor's advice and my doctor said you can come back to work. host: congressman steve scalise

the majority leader last wednesday talking about his current health status. when he put out a statement to his colleagues abo running speaker, this is what he told them. i firmly believe in the -- confidence -- conference f it was the members of his team that saved my life othfield. i asked myself why aft nearly losing my life i would want to back that it was never a estion for i love this coun i think we are meant to come together and solve the immense challenges we face. now more than ever we must suffer the wounds that exist within the conference of our lives. we have to work together for the millions of people who are counting on it. jim jordan wrote thiss colleagues. we must address rising crime in major cities and reject we need to get our fiscse

in order and reduce spending. so we can leave more to the gene than a spinning de we need to make sure tha bureaucracy works for the american people, not the other way around. we must continue working to secure ther and our national security. problems that we face are in suing but they are not a -- insurmountable. no matter what we do we must do it together as a conference. republicans out there these are two declared candidates for the speakership, which one represents what you want to see. compromise or sticking to principles? brenda in long grove, oklahoma. good morning to you. what do you want from your party? caller: well, i want us all to get back to god. god is the only answer. i hear all this garbage every

day and listen to the news, the only answer for america is to turn back to god. that is what our nation is -- our nation is based upon. it says in god we trust. if we do not turn back to god i really do not know what will happen in the nation. . host: mary north carolina. that is our caller. independent. good warning. caller: hello, -- good morning. caller: hello. good morning. they refused to compromise on anything. kevin mccarthy refused to compromise and that is why he lost his job. to top it off here comes president biden wanting to spend more money yesterday on student loans.

the democrats just will not give up, they will not give up until the country is stone broke. my opinion is i like hearns from oklahoma. i do not think he will compromise and give them their way constantly, that is just what i want to say. i think if they do not get biden out of office, he the country is on its way out. host: let's listen to congressman kevin hearn. he has the republican study committee and this is what he had to say tuesday night. >> i've been asked by many people to consider running. obviously name was brought up in the first of january. it was not the right time to be considered for that role, i did not think based on the current state of affairs. but today with speaker mccarthy no longer ours speaker. it is time to look forward.

we need somebody to unite the party and move forward and work on the appropriations bill. and things that matter to americans need to get addressed. this is one further distraction to the american people. they want real result and i believe i can deliver them if the people want to put me in that place. host: kevin hearn a potential speaker candidate. when the house returns they do more rounds of voting for the speaker. we will see if the republican conference can corral behind one candidate or if it is several and if it is a repeat of january where there are numerous rounds of voting for speaker of the united dates in the house. dale in kentucky, republican. hello. caller: hello. i believe that congress should pass a budget before they do any

amendments to the budget. they seem to go against each other and they need to compromise and pass the budget and lower prices because the american people do not want higher prices on anything. they want to be able to's end there -- to spend their money on health care. we need an answer to the -- well, congress needs to answer to the people and do what they promised and they got elected. past budgets in a timely manner and not go for a short term compromise like the one they are in now to the 17th of november.

it should have been passed. host: got it. earl, lakewood, washington, dimock rap. -- democrat. caller: good morning. i am surprised i have not heard the word woke lately. i grew up in alabama watching people take all kinds of twists and turns to try to hurt like people and hurt their own people. you know, so i say let the good times roll. host: stephen arizona. steve. caller: yes, part of your question is should they stick to the principles? what about sticking to principles, my question is what principles? what ideology are they promoting? what is their end game and what is the end result?

as far as i can tell, matt gaetz and that group have none of the above. their entire purpose seems to be to create chaos. then what? half of the united states -- have the united states rund by armed gangs who murder, steel, pillage? what is their endgame? host: steve, you are an independent, you think matt gaetz and the seven other republicans who voted to get rid of kevin mccarthy as speaker, should they remain in the republican conference? there are rumors there could be an effort to expel them from the republican conference and the house. caller: first of all look at what is there for the republicans. what are your principles?

what are your ideologies? if they accommodate those they should leave the republican already and start their own party. host: steve there. we speak with one of the eight republicans that voted against kevin mccarthy. can barges will join us -- can later and we will ask him about the speakership. the bush administration, many of you know they write in today's wall street journal give matt gaetz the silent treatment. act by 20 80 democrats his group of gop naysayers -- they have 10 republicans and in the process they removed a good man from an important decision one that he earned with hard work by empowering the democrats. the colleagues should make them pay a price starting with mr.

gate -- with mr. gaetz . and, democratic caller in minneapolis. hello. we are listening. -- robert in texas we are listening. are you ready? caller: yes. host: ok we are ready we are listening. please go ahead. caller: yes. all right. host: compromise or sticking to principles? caller: the republicans in congress have no choice they have to stick together and they have to elect the beaker right away. steve scalise is the most logical. they must subordinate their personal feelings to the obligation to retain control of

the house of representatives. they have absolutely no choice. as far as the budget is concerned, they must vote that out. they must agree to a budget. they have no choice there. host: robert, do you agree with what happened this week? caller: no. no. there is speaker mccarthy and he had done an excellent job. he was a good speaker. this is like cutting off your nose despite your face. host: alright robert there in texas republican. evan, florida, independent. we want to hear from you. go ahead. caller: how do you expect the u.s. foreign aid to reduce poverty and make -- more available in developing countries? host: maryland, st. louis

missouri, democratic caller. caller: right. this is maryland. host: hello, maryland. caller:him i think --hi, i think they need to get their act together and have somebody run for office. it is time to get to work. host: do you think they should compromise? caller: absolutely. host: what you think they need to do? caller: they need to put the budget -- get back online and get something done. maryland referencing the fact that the house cannot function when there is not a speaker in that position. stanley and south carolina, republican. caller: yes,hi. i am against this ouster of speaker mccarthy.

south carolina is a very red state and there are certain areas for this compromise, but there's a lot, where there isn't . and, but i think on the budget there is room to compromise. host: one of your own voted to push out kevin mccarthy which was nancy mace in south carolina. caller: that was the most ridiculous thing i've ever seen in my life. speaker mccarthy was not my favorite, but he was, he did what he said he was going to do so far. and he had to compromise basically with the majority. and if you don't you don't get anything done. caller: tim, north carolina, democrat. host: hey, i think you look really cool in blue.

this is a problem republicans had for a long time. gingrich who would not compromise on anything. we, the american people have been conned by the republicans. this is the corporate interest in thinking you can cut taxes forever and increase revenue, that blatantly, obviously, meth -- mathematically is not true. it is mostly done for well-meaning purposes like childcare and health air. the tax cuts have done nothing, but in rich corporations. host: he say -- he said this

dates back to newt gingrich. in the wall street journal this morning points to the key party resolution. it brewed more than a decade. the tea party revolt of 2010 that gave republicans majority and set mccarthy to his path to power -- after the financial crisis and then president barack obama's program. it gave the hint of the populace impulses and eagerness to discard political norms that gave rise to president donald trump. tuesday it gave a small number of republicans to break from their gop colleagues and take the exceptional sp unseating the american speaker. first in american history. greg in green borough, north carolina. hello. caller: good morning. the constitution was born out of

compromise. we would not have one without it. i think it is time to stop this malicious -- of the country's business. thank you. host: christopher in maine, republican. hello. caller: how are you today? host: i'm doing well. caller: let me ask you first who would you like to see as speaker? host: mr. jordan. -- host: let esq first who you would like to see as speaker? caller: mr. jordan. host: why? caller: in a way they shut him down without shutting the government down. mr. biden cannot get his money for ukraine now getting a little bit nervous. i think the democrats messed up. host: but you agree with giving --, you agree with it though --

giving -- you agree with that though? caller: yes i do it will take a long time to get another speaker. the democrats messed up. host: that is your prediction you think it will take a while to get a news beaker -- new speaker? caller: yes i think it will take 2-3 months. host: why do you think it will take 2-3 months. ? caller: they will not get reprieve. if the democrats work with them, they messed up big time with not keeping this guyana. yeah, you wait it's going to happen. no money for ukraine and hey, the border if they have to secure the border it is a national emergency. host: listen to this you will be interested in this headline. washington times this morning build order wall lao -- now says homeland security secretary. they say the u.s. has an acute

and immediate need to build walls in southern order texas. waving the country's most iconic environmental laws to speed up construction. mr. mayorkas identified dozens of miles of border where he plans to build barriers and road and the law would be a hindrance. what do you make of that? caller: mr. trump was right. trump had everything right. he was keeping them down there that that way -- the there are that way they would stay there. mr. biden comes in, god bless him, he wants to change it all. but now we are building a wall again. come on people, you voted for this with trop, you made a big mistake. a big mistake. trump stayed in for eight years everything would have been mine. you ask who would have taken over, everything would've been hunky-dory.

host: our next caller. caller: yeah mccarthy was ousted because he compromise with the democrats. the democrats had nothing to do with shutting mccarthy out of this. the call three -- mccarthy compromised in a few of the woke children in the house, they are the ones that decided out with mccarthy because he compromised. as for the border, is just going to be a big problem around the world and i would say -- in i would say five years. there's food shortages, there's floods, the world is on the move. people are on the move to find a better place to live. i do not think any wall is going to stop it.

kudos for trying a wall, but i don't think any wall is going to stop it. host: alright christine let's stick with this idea of compromise and sticking to principles following that vote on tuesday this week to depose kevin mccarthy as speaker. here is new york times this morning about why democrats voted, united behind hitting rid of kevin mccarthy. this is from -- mr. mccarthy promised fair treatment and a role in governing. but then punished intensely -- but then pushed into sleep artisan legislation that they found detestable. he launched a impeachment in the democratic president when he found himself on shaky grounds with his group. he cut the deal with the white house all while saying he is doing what he thought was right

for of a nation. he goes on to say that some dinner rats -- some democrats felt torn over the move to remove mr. mccarthy and they worried about who would come after him and the damage to the institution. now if a speaker can be discarded so easily. he was not happy about aligning himself with matt gaetz. a man most democrats and many republican -- washington, d.c., independent. caller: hello, good morning. host: good morning. caller: i do not think i've ever seen it out of mccarthy. i believe when he came in office was remove the young woman from the committee -- the congresswoman and took her off of the committee. and actually made her i guess step aside. host: congresswoman omar from minnesota. caller: yes, thank you.

and as far as republicans being in office, i do not believe there would be a majority if there were not met -- gerrymandering districts in florida, alabama, and other districts. as soon as the supreme court change the voting acts right they ran, it is like what they are doing now in alabama when they decided they will not go by the supreme to redistrict the area so that they can have a vote. they removed three districts that were majority black. and they moved to one and then they split the other two out. what i am saying is if they were totally honest and true to republicans they would not have a majority in the house. period. they are doing things like this to get them in office. they are gerrymandering and have to redistrict and these kinds of

things. what was your question? host: that is an interesting topic for this discussion. the supreme court was throughout alabama's latest attempt with their map saying this is not what we said we needed to do. and there is another case before the court this term dealing with south carolina's map. specifically nancy mace's district. and did they use, was racial gerrymandering involved in carving out the district that nancy mace won? nancy mace the was one of eight republicans that voted against kevin mccarthy. caller: so does that tell you that they have to, that they -- their policies are attractive? people are actually going behind and doing back room deals and changing laws to actually be in power. host: i don't think it is a question that has been answered

yet. in the supreme court there are so many lawsuit dealing with congressional map around the country. in the supreme court they waited in the last term then they will take up another case this term. it is an interesting question, one to watch. you sound interested in you can follow along on c-span coverage of the court if you go to our website at c-span.org. let's go to a democratic caller. good morning. caller: good morning. host: you've got to mute your phone, television, not your phone. caller: ok, hello -- ok hold on. wait a minute. ok, go ahead. host: no, you go ahead. we are listening to you. i want to see the same thing that i said before. i am a democrat but i like -- he went with people. kevin had a good heart in him. i don't see how in the world they could do that to him.

i have followed mike mccarthy for the longest and i found out on c-span that his name was kevin mccarthy. and i liked him. he got the wrong deal. host: you might not be helping his case because you are a democrat saying he worked with democrats. that is the argument -- that is argument that republicans who voted against him made that he worked with democrats when he said he would not. caller: well i will tell you something, miss, i learned this when i was young girl. i thought that any bill did not have to have but one party own it, but that is not true you've got -- people have to work together. and i do not care whether republican, i used to always, -- by republican back in the day. i tell you the truth, like barbara bush voted for hillary

clinton, i promise you i would vote for republican before i would them, whatever you want to call them back up there in the white house again because i'm telling you, i do not care who takes the country down if you're taking it down -- they could build for on the democrats with the democrats right now is taking the country down. host: maps, texas, republican. -- mapped, texas, --matt, texas. republican. host: i think mccarthy was doing a good job but we will get steve scalise or jordan. and we get right back to business. the main one we have to get out is biden. the corrupt trader -- traitor. he was selling documents. that's why he was taking them to his house for years and years.

and then his son, hunter. host: ok we have talked about that we will not talk about it right now. i would like for you to respond to carl rhodes writing in the wall street journal this morning. he writes about where republicans a right now because of the vote on tuesday this week. he writes gaetz destroyed what little bargaining power they had. mr. biden can now deal with a internally divided gop house caucus. senate majority chuck schumer go play hardball with the republican speaker and the position will be precarious. the time the gop spends electing one and getting him up to speed. pressure vicinity and white house for spending restraint and policy changes to be agreed on before the next budget deadline admin -- in mid-november. but now they write they do not have that, they are not in that

position of power. what do you say? caller: i mean i don't know i did not read the article. carl rhodes is a good man, but matt gaetz is, you know i do not like matt gaetz. we will elect steve scalise or jim jordan and we will get right back to business. host: ok, matt, should the republican conference in the house kick out matt gaetz and others that voted to get rid of kevin mccarthy as speaker? caller: well, i am all for -- you know, i think kevin mccarthy was doing a great job but it gets back to the traitor in the white house. host: don in pennsylvania. hello. good morning in pennsylvania,

independent caller. one last call for donda. larry in georgia, democratic caller. caller: yeah good morning. look, i want to tell everybody that the speaker of the house was a hero for millions and millions of people because it would have shut down, you know, the border ones got paid. kevin mccarthy has a back bone. the speaker of the house, when he become the speaker of the house he was the speaker of the house for all citizens of the united states. he transformed the republican, democrat, and independent. what he did, he is a hero for all the people that would have been out of town here. the ones that were on disability -- and in any case the money would have been lost.

he was thinking about the american people. what he did was the right thing. the american people should know that they know that when he did that he saved a lot of people's jobs. a lot of people are living paycheck to paycheck. remember he is a hero for all the people that would have been furloughed. they should be calling and thanking him. host: john saint augustine, florida. republican. caller: hello. host: good morning. caller: good morning. host: go ahead. caller: oh, i thought you were going to ask me a question about matt gaetz. i don't like matt gaetz but what he did is right. if i stop paying two or three months for a car, with republicans, and independent

democrats with $33 trillion in debt, we are already broke. we have a broken system. you start paying your debt. how do you do that? you have to cut spending. someone said he was a hero, the last caller. i don't know that he was a hero. the pain will come to all of us. we are already in a slight recession now. and that will be by march or april we will be at a forward recession. that will hurt everybody even more. so you kind of have to wake up and say we've got all these concessions and this and that -- what i liked about it was matt gaetz was saying everything has to be separate and voted on independently. host: who do you think should replace kevin mccarthy as speaker? caller: jim jordan. host: why? caller: he's got the

intelligence and number one he knows the constitution extremely well. and if you know constitutional law that will separate what is right and wrong. not paying your debt and having all of these line items aggregated into one thing the american doni -- american people don't even see what is voted on. that is wrong. i was a democrat for years i voted for bill a couple times and barack and then i saw the socialism. and then i had to pay a lot. with obamacare. and i am all for if people are for, if they do not have the ability to work we should help the people. but there are millions of people will and we are paying for them to stay home and that is wrong. host: on jim jordan do you think

you will compromise or stick to his principles? what do you want him to do? caller: the members right now will have to compromise to some degree. but i think the line item has to be broken apart and they have to be transparent with the american people. they have to do this months and months in advance. and with washington journal, why do you guys not start having people on and help people be more responsible. that would help your ratings. host: all right. in virginia. independent. caller: good morning, how are you? host: hello sheila. we are listening. caller: i was just calling. i think the speaker of the house should -- there was no explanation on that one. host: oh no, you have to explain that one. my brother-in-law was talking to me about it and i need to get

more note, when he explains it to me i will call in. but -- host: the former governor of minnesota. caller: correct. about compromise he was talking about how we need to compromise -- and the three cents compromise in 1820 with the missouri compromise and there's a compromise in 1850 and all of it had to do with slavery. the country will compromise when it comes to people of color and treating the nation, they failed to follow through on that. i have to go into work but i just wanted to call in and say we will compromise when it comes to hiring people not when it comes to helping people. good morning. host: sheila on her way into work. thank you for calling in. simon rosenberg joins us to talk about democrats and the role they played in the speakership vote this week and what their

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matt gaetz instead of the institution and they could've protected the institution? guest: it's a silly argument. the republicans have a majority, it's their responsibility to produce a speaker and pass continuing resolutions to keep the government open and they been struggling to do that all year. i think the democrats did what they always do which is no party votes for the other speaker, that never happens, they want their own speakers so the issue here is that the republican party is collapsing and falling apart. we have a broken republican party and that's the story and hopefully they can put things together in the next few weeks and get the government working again so we can pass continuing resolutions and pass the year end budget and get back to the people's business. host: there is a problem solvers caucus in the house, republicans and democrats looking for compromise to move forward on

debate. after what happened in the house, republicans in that caucus threatened to quit writing -- do they? guest: i'm astonished at these arguments. it's so partisan and political in terms of what's happened over the last few weeks. what would have happen, how would democrats have worked with republicans? kevin mccarthy was not offering any deals, there is no negotiation. on the continuing resolution that cap the government open saturday, there wasn't any negotiation.

kevin mccarthy changed his mind saturday and went for a vote that day with no discussions with the democrats. they wouldn't have accepted the elimination of the ukraine funding if there had been negotiations. it was take it or leave it. he did that on the government shutdown and he did take it or leave it with no negotiations around earlier this year around the debt ceiling. this was all legislative terrorism. he kept telling the democrats, take what i'm giving you or i blow up the american economy. this is not the way congress normally works. there was no possibility of there being some kind of democrat-republican coalition that does the people's business because kevin mccarthy did not have the legislative running room to give democrats anything they wanted. there was no possibility of a coalition. if kevin mccarthy wanted a

coalition, you need to work for and there was no effort. the republicans are just trying to deflect from what is historic dysfunction in their own party. that's host: host: really the story here. we had a viewer earlier, a republican say democrats made a mistake here because it's going to take months to elect the next speaker. while they are going through that process, the government is essentially shut down and that's what democrats voted for while they wait for the next speaker. no spending can happen and the biden administration cannot push forward their agenda. guest: that's entirely on the republican party who is in charge. republicans are in charge of the congress. they are the ones responsible for producing a speaker and running the affairs of the congress every day. the democratic party is in charge of the senate and the white house but not in charge of

the house. the dysfunction we are seeing is entirely republican dysfunction. what's important to understand is this is going to be in normal sleep challenging for republicans to explain to the american people over the next 14 months. people are tired of republican extremism and republican dysfunction and this is why people keep voting because people are tired about the stuff and republicans have to put their own party back together. they initiated the vote and they removed kevin mccarthy, it wasn't the democrats. they will have to put this all back together and you are right, there will be a week in speaker and kevin mccarthy allow the extremists to weaken the institution of the house, it never happened before in the history of the country because kevin mccarthy given to structural rules that allowed this to happen, gave into the extremists in his own party and now he has weaken the institution.

those of us who have been doing this a long time, it is worrisome the republicans are so intent on weakening so many pieces that are critical to our democracy. they try to overturn an election in 2021, they are attacking the military right now by voting against ukraine and trump is attacking an independent judiciary every day, there's corruption in the supreme court. american democracy is better right now and it's important we understand there is one party doing this, the republican party that's weakening institution after institution critical to our democracy. it's a major issue and something we need to be talking about. host: we want to invite our viewers to join in, republicans, (202) 748-8000 democrats (202) 748-8001s an independent (202) 748-8002 you can tax us -- you can text us at (202) 748-8003.

there are some special elections coming up for vacant house seats, in rhode island, the first district and utah's second district, what you will will you be watching for? guest: it's very important to recognize that since the spring of 2022, there's been one political environment and that is democrats over performing their 2020 results in over performing the partisan lead in these districts, winning elections that nobody thought we would win. it could happen -- it happened in 2022. in 2023, we've seen the exact same environment across the country where special elections, democrats are above their 2020 numbers by eight points which is incredible. these are in dozens of elections across the country. they work mayoralty's in florida

and colorado springs in the wisconsin supreme court's be -- seat. i think what we should anticipate his democratic over performance. we will have a lot of elections one month from now across the country including in virginia. there will be a test of the two-party strength. i like where we are and i think we are doing well and we have to keep going on offense and run up the score is much as possible. host: how do you square that with this nbc poll?

guest: all that is true and joe biden's approval rating in 2022 is in the low 40's and inflation was high and we still had an extra ordinary election. we've seen the same dynamic play out across the country in 2023 because the most powerful words in our politics today is opposition and fear of maga that's what drove 2018 and 2020 and 2022 and 2023. even though the democrats are not where they want to be, there is something bigger than all of that for a majority of voters which is the sense that electing republicans could end american democracy. these are big states and people are acting that way. you see this over performance from democrats across the

country while that polling is playing out. the same was true in 2022. we were told her red wave was coming and republicans were doing well in the polls and democrats over performed all expectations. that same basic dynamic is happening now and what's happening with house republicans will push the republican party further away from the electorate. host: let's get to calls, upper marlboro, maryland, independent. caller: i agree with simon rosenberg. the democratic party, even though it may not seem in a very strong position, the chaos that has happened is really the republicans. matt gaetz really should be expelled from congress and he is the one who ousted mccarthy with democratic support, not republicans. he has caused the division in his own party.

there are two things white mccarthy had a lot of support from the democrats. number one, he pulled the ukraine aid from the bill and then he pushes for impeachment inquiry on president biden when we are 24 hours away from a shutdown. that's not working in favor of the country, really, it's not. they want to divide and rule and be extreme and that will not work. host: are you truly an independent, have you voted for both parties? caller: yes, i voted for both parties. host: what do you make of that from an independent? caller: i'm with sid. i agree with everything he said. tried to present this as something other than the most extraordinary dysfunction in american history and a party that can keep itself together

and do the block and tackle of keeping the government open and using extremist tactics. there is an attempt to deflect and create other stories but it's all deflection. you are seeing it clearly,, sid and i appreciate you weighing in today. host: connecticut, republican, let's hear from you. caller: yes, good morning. my situation is what trump did with the border and i disagree with him because we want freedom back. if they can do for one year, 12 separate bills and vote on that and pass a one bill solution for a law instead of 300 paces or more, if they can make child support tax-deductible, our economy would be so far better

than it is now. you'd have men stepping up to their obligation and saying great, we will support this. host: we will stick to your first comment. guest: on the border, i think both parties have work to do here and i think there will be an opportunity this fall to work together to come up with a longer-term solution to what we are seeing. democrats a been trying to update and modernize the immigration system for almost 20 years and the republicans can need -- continue the block the effort with more tools to manage the challenges of the border. i think democrats absolutely want to come to the table and get something meaningful done here. let's be optimistic about that. people are trying to look for

bipartisan compromise and this is an area that would be doable the next few months. host: the front page of the washington times -- guest: i think it's a demonstration that the administration is trying hard with one arm tied behind her back. there are some things they've tried to do that's been blocked in courts, legislation we feel is critical to manage the border has been blocked by republicans. i think the administration is trying their best. homeland security and the secretary of state are in texas now to work out a better path and dealing with the flow of fentanyl to our border. i think the administration is trying and it would be great if

congress could step up and give them more tools to be able to tackle this. this is not a simple problem, there is no easy solution. this is something we will be managing for a long time. it will be part of our story in our conversations like this for decades to come but we need to do better. . host: louisville, kentucky, democratic caller. caller: yes. host: good morning to you, go ahead. caller: i agree wholeheartedly to what your guest just said. the way they frame the argument is the democrats started this argument which they did not and republicans are saying they voted with the democrats. it was a republican argument. the concern of the economy part of it can go back to history and you will find out how the

republican party how'd just how they diss a mental the -- they dismantled the economy and the democrats had to repair it. i would suggest that republicans have an argument within their own party. it's deafly not the democrats arguing -- argument now and i think hakeem jeffries should be the house speaker. host: what are the chances of that happening? guest: not high. hopefully he will be speaker in 2025. he has incredible grace and capacity since he become the democratic leader. i want to reflect them one other thing. i think democrats field kevin mccarthy did a bad job. he capitulated to the extremist in his party and was unable to keep things on an even keel and did something that was unprecedented and threatening to blow up the economy with the debt ceiling and use another extreme tactic in the last few

weeks of shutting the government down. this was not slow and steady and sober leadership. this was brinksmanship in an unprecedented way and we were disappointed that the speaker was so aggressive about using things that were threatening the how -- the health and safety of the united states. democrats feel he was a bad speaker. that's one of the reasons he was unable to get democratic support. he had not done a good job and didn't deserve their support primarily. host: he did avoid catastrophe on both the examples you gave. he did negotiate with the president guest: i understand that, but there's never been in the history of the country a threat to breach the debt ceiling. even president trump did not contemplate something like this and our credit rating was downgraded over those tactics so there was a penalty to that. it cost the country money for what he did. no democratic congress has ever

threatened to shut the government down. it's only been a republican tactic. the idea that i will pull the pin on the degrade -- on the grenade is not the way congress was set up. the reason why these things don't happen as they are outside the scope of how legislatures are supposed to work. this cannot become normal. shutting the government down and breaching the debt ceiling are dangerous tactics that even donald trump denounced while he was president. i think that's part of the reason why we felt kevin mccarthy had blown it by repeatedly giving into the most extremist elements of his party and destabilizing congress and the united states. i don't think he was deserving of democratic support over the last few weeks. host: arizona, independent caller:. hi, i happened to go by alex wagner's show last night and some of the republicans had said donald trump should be speaker of the house which you don't

have to be a member of the house to be the speaker. rule 26a of the house rules, anyone under indictment for a felony that carries more than a two-year sentence cannot be speaker of the house. the republicans probably have to drop that notion of having donald trump be speaker of the house. host: simon rosenberg? guest: i don't think that will happen. just reading the tea leaves, it looks like jim jordan has got a leg up over steve scalise but we will see. it took a long time to let kevin mccarthy and i think whatever comes out the other side, you will see a republican party where the speaker will be institute -- will be weekend and the institution will be weakened. host: tell us what you are reading that gives jim jordan the advantage? guest: the fact that kevin mccarthy's staff is working for

him not first police is a significant development and that was reported in politico this morning. i read everything i could this morning. i think it was in politico but it felt to me, everything i was reading, that today it seems things are leaning toward jim jordan but we will see. we've got a long way to host: host: go on this one. today is thursday, october 5 and the speaker raises on and they're coming back next week and that is their first order of business. mike in bessemer city, north carolina, republican. caller: good morning and if you allow me time to make a couple points -- your guest there with a straight face can say that the border, the biden administration had one hand tied behind her back. they had both hands open and they just follow the laws and

cap what trump had in place and continuing the border wall and quit giving -- what did they get, 2000 -- 200,000 people coming to this country. do like canada, you can only come into the country if you serve a purpose. it affects americans, black, white and another thing you're talking about maga extremist, what about the democrats? the whole republican party got -- the whole democratic party good demonize. democrats won't step out of line because they are afraid their constituents will right in front of their house like they did in front of the supreme court. guest: i think the case we will make over the next year is that joe biden is a good president, the country is better off, the

democratic is strong and winning elections all over the country, beating republicans even republican areas and we have a strong case to make on reelection. i've been doing this for over 30 years and seeing many presidents going back to bush. joe biden has done a good job and they will have a strong case to make next year. i know there will be lots of squabbles here and other places but at a time of enormous challenge with covid and insurrection and political instability in the united states and an attempt to invade a foreign country and cleat creating global inflation come i think were reluctant just lucky to have one of the most experienced people in the white house to guide the country through. we are getting through to the other side of the challenges we had when joe biden came to office and i think the country is far better off today. that will be our argument we have certain things we want to do. i am confident right now about our position. i feel the president has done a

good job and i'm excited to come back here as often as you can have me over the next few months. host: what are his vulnerabilities? guest: i think his assets are that the country is better off and he still has a lot of things he wants to do and is been a steady leader during a challenging time. the thing we've had to deal with during his presidency have been significant. i am confident that if is -- if it is biden-trump which seems likely today, we be trump and 2020 and i think we should be able to beat him again. i think the court case and everything that will happen to him in 2024 will make -- will push them further away from the electorate. it gives an opportunity to win again and the house as well i hope. host: that was the next question. guest: we need the economy to be strong and we need the war on

ukraine to be successful. those of the two things more than anything else will shape the public's understanding of whether he's done a good job next year. host: roger, fort wayne indiana, democratic caller. caller: thanks for taking my call. i have a couple of comments on the question. could he explain to the american people what is the biggest cause of our debt of the $33 trillion we have? can he explained to the american people what is there that gave us this humongous debt? the comments that i have concerning ukraine -- the only reason these maga folks want to terminate the help in any way for ukraine is because it will only help trump and

trump's friend putin. as far as the border, how about we keep trump on it? he said he can get mexico to pay for the wall so until mexico pays for the wall, the wall should not get built. don't try to stick it to the working class taxpayers to build donald trump's lego wall. stop make us working-class folks pay for your wars and your tax cuts and your wall street bailouts. then you holler about we don't want to do anything. you pay for your own stuff. stop trying to make the working class pay for all of you all things. we are paying enough already. host: simon rosenberg? guest: i will give an answer that is probably not what people expect which is that the debt we have is because of the republican party. the last three republican

presidents it dramatically increase the annual deficit on their watch. the last two, very significantly in the last three democratic presidents have reduce the deficit. the party that is loan the debt through the roof has been the republican, nothing democratic party. we have made the fiscal imbalance we have better every time we been office and every time republicans have been in office, it's grown. there is a lot of bad information out there about what has happened in the time of been in washington. i've been around during these debates. i've been here 30 years. the party of fiscal responsibility is the democratic party and the party of spending too much is the republican party. in part, is because they're so focused on cutting taxes without cutting spending that every time they get into office, the deficit goes through the roof. that's number one. i think we've covered the other two subjects with the exception of ukraine.

we got a strong case to make on ukraine. we need to bring the american people along. the idea that of russia was to be successful in invading another country and taking their territory, the entire system we have today globally is predicated on the idea of independent countries not being invaded by others will be dramatically weakened on our watch. it's not just about ukraine and arms, it's about whether we will have a peaceful and prosperous world mostly over the last 80 years. russia is threatening that an object ukraine, it's an attempt to weaken the international order in america from the 1940's. we like to see our european allies come together in such an unprecedented way to back ukraine. this is a titanic vitamin e to make sure we bring the american people along. i think we are doing the right thing here. host: daniels watching from texas, republican. good morning. caller: i was thinking about

whenever biden got into office, the first thing he did was he quit the border wall and he closed our pipeline and he closed the russian and chinese pipeline. it looks to me like the democrats are turning to the communist side. they call it socialism, it's the same thing. guest: quick answer -- i think there is also a lot of noise around what's happening with energy in america. you hear republicans say biden has made us not energy independent. america's more energy independent than we've ever been. we produce more oil this year and during the trump presidency. we are producing more renewable energy than we ever have. we are producing more of our own

domestic energy this year than any time in american history. under the biden presidency, we become more energy independent, not less. i wanted to say that because i think the deficit and debt, there is a lot of misinformation out there from people. i'm very proud of the presidents energy strategy.i think is been very successful . if you are upset about your gas prices, you should be matted saudi arabia and russia. they raise the gas prices, not joe biden. he's done everything he scans a lower energy costs for the american people. host: the argument by republicans that democrats are socialist, who is the audience for that and how effective is it? guest: under the last three democratic presidents, we've seen enormous strong growth with american prosperity and out of the last three republican presidents, we've seen recession, higher deficits and

decline. the democratic party has been good capitalism and the other parties not so good. since 1989, there have been 49 million jobs created in america, 47 million have been created under democratic presidents. to me, the socialist argument is silly. we have different views have to manage the economy. our views have worked and republicans have not and that's just a fact of the modern era in american politics. host: simon rosenberg, democratic strategist, thank you for the discussion this morning. we will take a break and be joint next by republican tim burchett of tennessee, one of the eight republicans who voted to remove kevin mccarthy as speaker earlier this week. we will ask how quickly he thinks is confident that his conference can coalesce around the neck speaker. net -- after that the poll politico discusses the resumption of student loan

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we need to make a change. we haven't brought up the term limits bill, we stayed home the entire month of august, two weeks in september, there was no urgency to the end of the fiscal year in october and when we did, we passed a 45 day continuing resolution up to the thanksgiving holiday which will force us to pass an omnibus bill then. they told me i needed to pass that so we wouldn't pass anymore continuing resolutions. we have totally abdicated our duties of really one thing, we're supposed to pass a budget and 12 appropriations bills. and we just haven't done that. i prayed about it. my buddy told me, he said your conscience has served you well and that's what's got me through

my political career, if you will. my conscience told me we need to make a change. i voted to make the change. host: who is your candidate for the next speaker of the house when the vote takes place? guest: i don't have one but i'm not as worried about that. we've got a very deep bench. we've got a lot of people that can serve in that position. steve scalise, roger williams at a texas, joey harrington out of texas, kevin hearne, jim jordan. i even asked elise stefanik but she's not interested. some others can do it as well so i'm not as worried about that but they understand the urgency of our fiscal ship. we are taking in $5 trillion per year and spending $7 trillion. i don't care who's on the white house, that's wrong.

as you know, our credit rating was recently knocked down a notch and that has only happened , that's the second time it's happened and they said the reason was leadership, maturity in the leadership and fiscal responsibility. they said that's over the last 20 years. that cuts both ways, that's both parties. host: other than spending, what is your criteria for the next speaker to get your vote? guest: i think they need to have -- it sounds kind of trendy -- but i think they need to have a vision of where the country is going and it's not to put proposals up on the wall and see which one can get the most votes. that's not principled and it's not smart and that's not what our country needs. we need someone who understands the game and is not afraid to go negotiate.

we went weeks without talking to the president of the united states. if i was speaker the house, if it's the devil himself or herself as the president, i would be at the white house every day talking about issues. i would open up those channels. i would go talk to chuck schumer every day. i would be on the phone with him every day talking about things, where we need to become a what we are trying to do. and i would open up those channels of communication. i think -- punch him in the nose on the 6:00 news or on twitter or whatever to me is -- it's good for click bait and raising money but it's not the way to go host: -- to govern. does your candidate need to allow one of you to offer a motion to vacate the speakership? guest: i've been asked that

lately but i'm not really concerned about that. that was the law until speaker pelosi took it out. it had been there since the 1920's. that doesn't really bother me that much. it just says you get a motion to vacate and you take a vote. it's up or down and that's kind of the way it goes. that's democracy. that's in the rules and it served as well since the 1920's until speaker pelosi took it out. if the conference wants to do it, that's not a beach i will die on. host: after the vote took place in the result was known that kevin mccarthy was no longer speaker, what did you hear from his allies after the vote on tuesday? guest: i do videos on twitter and i talked about my decision to do it and it received over one million views because i was

sitting on the steps of the capital and was heartfelt and i talked about how i got to that decision. i expected could possibly cost me my job but i felt the fiscal sanity of this country is worth it. they held over our head this shutdown. they pushed us with leadership right up against the line. on september 30. . it comes around every year about this time, end of the fiscal year. there was no urgency to do that. to get anything done and i totally expect primary opposition, general opposition because some of my more well-heeled supporters, few of them called me and threatened me basically and i made up with some, they didn't really

threaten me but they pulled off of me for good and i totally expect that to happen. host: threatened you? guest: they. are not going to support me they are not going to beat me up or anything. they are just not going to support me anymore. host: guest: no more donations. guest:that's correct. honestly, the chamber of commerce crowd hasn't always supported me. they do after the election is over but they don't always support me to that point. i get that. they have a lot invested in the party and in kevin mccarthy but i'm the one who's there seeing what's going on. i daresay that he would not be doing some of those things if he was running their corporations. host: are you concerned you will get kicked out of the republican conference? guest: yes, ma'am, i am. i don't know about concern but

i'm aware that might happen. i think it would be foolish. we've got a three seat majority or something, there's eight of us, that would not be very wise. i know there is a lot of anger out there but they should try to work with us. this was all avoidable. i had a conversation with kevin the morning of. i've said it many times before, you need to get to 15 or so of us that are concerned about what's going on. get us in a room and talked was about it. that never happens. they tried to individually bring you in and the pressures put on you and it goes from the niceness --host: describe the pressure, what is said to you? guest: this is going to cost you

they say. haven't we been good to you kind of thing. it's just the psychology of it. then you get to the point where they realize you are not there and they get to the berating point and they show your lack of leadership ability at that point. they should have had this in there at the beginning. they knew where we were all along. then they played those same old games. host: i will turn it over to the colas but what have you heard from your constituents? guest: overwhelming support. the base. when i came in last night at the airport, i had no idea. host: people showed up at the airport? guest: there was something else going on there. i'm from knoxville. i grew up here and spent 16 years in the state legislature. i was the county mayor for eight

years. i mowed half the people in this county's yard. i've grown up here and i to the university of tennessee and graduated from there. i've lived here my whole life. i'm known in this community. the thing is, thing i get even from folks who don't support me, the one thing they do like about me is that i do vote my conscience. they know i don't sway. at least i think that's the right way to go. it's not because of some outside influence. host: from lawnmower two member of congress, we're talking to ken burchett from tennessee. caller: republican is a first. . caller:caller: how are you?

host: what's your comment for the congressman? caller: appreciate your service for tennessee. we are going to have to figure out some way to survive these disasters. we are not going to get a balanced budget but we need to figure out some way to curb these things. president biden was asked about that. he said it's above his pay grade. he is already above his pay grade but thank you senator, appreciate you, greta. guest: that's another thing, disasters. we sent $114 billion to ukraine basically unchecked. it was one of the second corrupt nations in europe. i'm not sure what the first was. and yet those poor people in maui, i think they got $700 per family. they basically had to come begging for that. i think our priorities are out of line.

i think that something we should have articulated better from congress. we are supposed to be this countries -- we are not supposed to be this country's checkbook. host: tennessee, democratic caller. caller: thank you, greta. it's an honor as usual. mr. burchett, thank you for appearing on the show today. my congressman john rose seems to be afraid to come out in the public and answer these questions. i will ask you -- the fact that it was confirmed with john kelly's book that donald trump did not want disabled veterans photo ops, it didn't look good. i just wanted to know since you pray a lot, did you pray about donald trump disrespecting veterans? guest: not specifically. i pray for all of our leaders. i remember when president obama won, i prayed he would be the

most successful president we've ever had. i'm a conservative, i'm not angry about it. john rose is a good man come ease of farmer and a daddy with a couple of kids. i pray about everything. i pray for our veterans and my daddy fought and i have war relics behind me. he actually killed the people that carried those. i know about veterans, i know what they go through and i served with my buddy eli crane who is a former navy seal. my brother-in-law cliff is a former marine corps sniper and my daddy fought in the war and my mother lost a brother. my mother flew airplane during the second world war. my parents were couple of that d

feel our congress and he would bring forth a leader. honestly,guest: we didn't know e vote would go and everybody thinks you have all these statistics but the pressure was incredible. if you cou is the rules provide. these are the rules of congress. no rules were broken when we did this. tanks weren't in the street, we didn't tear the capital down, nobody had a fistfight.

they're almost as been in the past and been in the middle of those. i just pray for the healing of our country because we need leaders, ma'am. congress -- when i was in the state legislature, we had a real strong speaker who was a democrat. he would always tell me that if you didn't want to work, you shouldn't have hired on. we've just gotta get back to work in congress. these long breaks and things we take just, i think it breaks up -- it just breaks it up. we've got people in east tennessee who have been working since the sons been up and when

we come in at 10:30 a.m. or 11:00 a.m. and cater in a breakfast and walk in to a meeting -- walk out of a meeting at 4:30 p.m. with their shirt tie undone until people we worked, they have a hard time believing that. host: are you saying there were more than eight republicans whoe took place? guest: i thought there was a firm 4 may be. i wasn't sure. host: from four on top of the eighth? guest: no, ma'am, just four that i thought would stick to the end. i didn't know if that would be enough because there are worse ple don't make it.

they might've missed a plane. host: you said there were votes peeled off that people were going to vote to oust kevin mccarthy and then changed their minds once they got to the floor. guest: yes, ma'am. they figured out it would go anyway some of it was, can i do

something to change yojust on d. from semi-threatening to threatening to i trust you, i don't agree with you but i trust you, i'a lot more texts now than phone calls which is unfortunate but it's a timesaver as well. afterif you could answer, i would appreciate

it and i will take it off-line. my first question is, do you hor who doesn't believe the president was elected. my third question is do you believe party over country over dish or country over party? host: we believe it there, was not the president. that answers your -- hopefully that answers your question. host: joe in connecticut, republican. caller: are you? i wanted to speak to mr. rosenberg. i was waiting on this line for like 40 minutes so can i talk

about that? host: no, because we are talking about congressman burchett. next is west virginia, democratic caller. caller: good morning, greta, this is chuck. it's been 56 days since my last call. i just want to say i'm going to miss bill scanlon when he announced his departure the other day. i was saddened because he had a huge amount of dignity. to your guests, representative burchett, last week, we came para -- perilously close to shutting down the government and people were calling and saying they wanted to shut down the government because they didn't like the way the government was being weaponized against the american people. this is something i take issue with. when republicans insist the government has somehow become weaponized against the american people, it throws a lot of red meat out to these organizations

out there, these white nationalist groups and proud boys and oath keepers, the sorts of people who strap on ar-15's and go parading up and down the aisles at walmart because they can, these people are salivating over the prospect of another civil war. i really think you want to tone down the rhetoric when it comes to talking about how our government has somehow been weaponized against the american people because it's just driving those right-wing militia groups into a frenzy. host: we will take that point. guest: congressman? guest: i don't agree with any of those so-called white nationalist. i don't actually know any of them. i'm a gun owner, obviously. as far as weaponization, i don't get into those conversations.

that's what people do to sell memberships on both sides. it's unfortunate we cannot sit down and talk about issues. caller: good morning. i would like to represent the folks into are saying that both sides of the party to what happened with the speaker, but without the democrats pushing the agenda, or the c.r., say it is note objectionable to people listening, and republicans against it, it kept the country afloat. but yet the democrats, all of them voting for the removal, this situation would not have occurred.

i saw on one of the news broadcasts -- not fox, not cnn -- she had told her party under no circumstances that was anybody to vote for the speaker to keep him in office. host: congressman? guest: speaker pelosi is not in charge of her party any more. and as far as the shutdown that is the last thing we wanted but three days of shutdown would look like a summer vacation compared to the collapse of our economic system when we devalue the dollar and cause inflation by spending of both parties. we take it $5 trillion and spends $7 trillion.

i heard a.o.c. make a plea for fiscal sanity a couple of weeks ago. she is my friend. i think we need to find the common ground. host: some say the debate destroy what bargaining power is. mr. biden can deal with an internally divided. chuck schumer will play hardball with the new hulk speaker whose position will be precarious. guest: a lot of these guys are not in business any more for good reason. they failed at their jobs, and i guarantee you we will unify around the next speaker because we understand the importance of it. because it was not about permits as portrayed. technical is about -- personality as portrayed. it is keeping your word.

i spoke to the speaker about why we didn't have -- while we were gone the whole month of august and two weeks in accept knowing september 30 was the send of the fiscal year he blamed that on somebody else. i asked why we didn't have a term limits bill, that went to committee. i found out that was not accurate. i think we will get a real leader now and they will all explain what really happened after it happened after we get a strong leader and they will be patting themselves on the back i can assure you and rewriting where they stood in history. host: what is your prediction for how long it will take to elect a new speaker? guest: we will elect a speaker next week. we will have one vote.

on the floor, not in committee. we will decide there. it will go back and forth a while, i'm sure. but when we go to the floor it will be decided. host: and one person will have corralled all the votes he or she needs? guest: correct. i think we will unify hyped -- behind one person. last time it was mccarthy's decision to go to the floor when he knew he didn't have the votes. he thought if it was accurate it went to 15 votes, he thought if we whittled it down on the national stage it would work. but in reality tongue is better off -- i think it is better off if we handle it in-house. host: who is the leading contender? guest: between kalice or jim -- scalise or skim -- jim jordan.

i need to call back but i have not committed. i talked to steve scalise a couple of times. i haven't talked to jim jordan yet. host: what did you say to steve scalise? guest: we are good friends. i think he is an effective leaders. he is one of those guys i pray for because he had blood cancer and that is serious but he is under treatment, he is a fighter and he was shot up on the baseball field when that democrat tried to take a bunch of us out. i talked to him about where i thought the country needed to go and he agreed. host: what is he promising? guest: not promising. i didn't ask him for anything. i just want fiscal sanity. that is the key to whole deal.

he or jordan or coach hearn or any of them can stand toe to toe with the president and chuck schumer. those guys wringing their hands those moderate republicans that your previous strategist talked about running up debt. those are the guys that did it and they always want their finger in the pie and it is time that maybe somebody under the age of 65 started taking some leadership in our party. host: congress tim burchette republican of tennessee, thank you for your time. guest: it has been a pleasure. host: we will take a break. when we come back michael stratford discusses the resumption of student loan payments and announcement yesterday by the white house on student loans. stay with us.

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latest bucket of targeted student debt relief his administration has approved. since the beginning of the administration the education document has been working on making changes to various existing programs that provide debt relief and student debt cancellation to borrowers. those changes have been happening sort of on a parallel track to the broader question of whether the administration can cancel large amounts across the board of student debt for borrowers. what the administration did yesterday is focus on targeted individual groups of borrowers. for example, the administration announced that some number of borrowers will receive debt relief under the public service len forgiveness program which

offers public service workers those working for the government or nonprofit the opportunity to have their debt cancel after 10 years of making payments. that was marred in administrative problems and bureaucrat obstacles and they made it easier to get relief and yesterday a handful -- several thousand of them received relief. there were a couple other buckets of relief the administration announced yesterday, including for borrowers who have been in repayment on their loans for more than 20 years and haven't been able to pay it off in a lot of cases, seeing their balances increase even though they might have been paying because of compounding interest on the loans. then the administration announced that a group of borrowers who have severe and

permanent disabilities would be able to receive left hand discharges. that is an existing federal program, borrowers who develop severe disabilities after taking out their loans are entitled under federal law to have their debts forgiven but that is another program where it was difficult for borrowers to access because of administrative barriers, paperwork. so the administration automatically -- or would automate that for borrowers. the social security administration had determined they were disabled. host: if you are one of those borrowers that fall in the buckets out lined by michael stratford we want to hear from you. if you have student debt dial 202-748-8 to you. if you paid it off 8001 and

others 8002 and you can text us at 202-748-8003. michael, if you didn't fall into the bucket you talked about and you have been getting some relief from your student loans due to the pandemic legislation or ruling, what can you expect now? guest: for the vast majority of federal student loan borrowers payments are resuming this month for the first time since march 2020. at the beginning of the pandemic. first president trump and then congress and president biden enacted a series of pauses and freezes on federal student loans and most federal student loan borrowers haven't had to pay since the beginning of the

pandemic. as part of the debt ceiling deal that president biden and then stpaoerbg mccarthy struck, the pandemic relief program for student len borrowers ended as part of that deal. so this month 28 million federal student loan borrowers will receive bills if they have not already and be required to pay for the first time. so those borrowers, there are various relief parameters -- programs available if they are having trouble repaying including what the administration is promoting sort of at the top of the list which is the new save plan, an income driven repayment plan to lower payments for borrowers. host: saving on a valuable education plan. the save plan as you just said. a few more details about that.

raises the amount of income shielded from repayment calculation from 150% to 225% of the federal poverty line. capped payments for undergraduate honest to 5% of income and wapblg interest accrual that exceeds monthly payment and loan forgiveness after 10 years worth for anybody that borrowed $12,000 or less. i want to show our viewers what the president had to say yesterday on these incremental steps he's been making. >> in total my administration canceled $127 billion in student debts for nearly 3.6 million americans. this is life changing for individuals and families. but it is good for our economy as a whole. i have freed millions of americans of the burden of student debt. that means they can get their lives in order and think of buying a house and start a business and start a family.

this matters. it matters to their daily lives. host: the supreme court overturned his first original didn't cancellation plan. how has he been able to do this? guest: it is a little confusing because there was that big supreme court ruling earlier this summer that a lot of student loan borrowers were waiting for and didn't go the way many of them had hoped. the supreme court ruled that the president's first student debt relief program, which had been tied to the pandemic or the pandemic was a justification, feels illegal. that the president exceeded his authority. what the administration had been doing from the beginning is to work on different buckets of student debt relief. i mentioned the targeted segment of borrowers who work in public

service, borrowers who develop severe and permanent disabilities, borrowers who have been paying a long time but haven't been able to pay off their loans after decades. they have also forgiven a lot of debt on a separate program designed to discharge loans when the education department finds that a college has engaged in some misconduct so it misled students two enrolling at their institution or cheated them in some way. that is known as the borrower defense. the administration has forgiven billions understood that program. so the strategy from the beginning has been to work on individual relief programs that are tied to existing programs, aren't a new sweeping program like the one that the supreme court struck down.

at the same time, the administration said it is not giving up on broad based deb cancellation. it is moving through a new regulatory process trying to use a different law than the emergency pandemic related authority the supreme court disapproved of. that process is moving along and slow and part of the regulatory process of the education department needs to go through public hearings, forming a committee to hammer out the details of the proposals. that committee is meeting for the further next week. but that will be a long process and the administration expects it will take months, potentially up to a year to finalize new broad based didn't relief programs. host: sid from burtonsville, maryland. you have student loan debt, is that right? caller: yes, i do. good morning. host: will you see relief or

are you getting ready to start paying those back? caller: well, i got charged $1,030 in the last few days. i'm in my third year of medical school and they just took it out of my account and i am -- i did send them the proof of being in medical school and now i'm trying to reach them and like i have to wait two hours and my call is disconnected. in medical school you cannot work, you just have to study all the time. but now, like i do side gigs just -- like i now have to call them and see if they can return that money because if you are

still in school you should noting charged for it and i sent them the proof like two weeks ago and they still charged me more than $1,000. host: michael stratford? guest: the two-hour call time the caller mentioned is something we are hearing a lot from student loan borrowers as they prepare to make payments this month for the further since the beginning of the pandemic. the education department do not directly collect student left hand didn't. it contracts to a handful of left hand servicers, the management of student loans, and we are turning on the student loan system all at once. it is unprecedented that is happening. at the same time everyone is paying for the first time in the same month and to put it mildly there are some kinks in the system. borrowers are facing long hold

times, some long processing times for paperwork and applications to manage their student loans. in some cases, that is because honor servicers have will to quickly staff up to meet the demands and they are getting paid less than they were before the pandemic. that is part of the budget cuts the education department will to make to the loan servicing contracts because the administration didn't get the funding it requested from congress last year. and that funding over student loan servicing contends to be a situation. host: in houston you paid the student loans off we? ask caller: my husband paid them off. he was in medical school from 1965 to 1969. we borrowed, we were married and we borrowed almost $10,000 at

the time it go to medical school. the first house we bought cost $18,000 to give you an example of how expensive that medical education was at that time. the first car we owned cost about $2,000. these people need to pay these loans back and need to be smart when they borrow the money. that was the idea that they are going to pay the loans back. as far as this station this is another attempt to buy from young people. you need to pay the loan back. host: michael stratford. guest: i think that caller is articulating where a lot of republicans are on the president's student debt relief agenda. republicans to a tee oppose the administration wiping out large amounts of debt across the board for borrowers and in many cases republicans are pushing back

against these targeted debt relief programs the administration is power suing. republicans argue like the caller did that borrowers should have to repay their debt, that it is not fair for taxpayers to bear the burden of wipe clear the debts. and others are making -- other republicans are making the argument that they skew the incentives for colleges and universities and will continue to raise prices as a result of the debt relief. host: steven, lexington, kentucky, you have student loans, steven. how much do you owe? host: i owe $12,000 less -- i started with $48,000. my wife owns $40,000 but i want to say that last caller they had it easy.

$10,000 to go to medical school that is a joke. and a house for $18,000 those baby boomers you had it easy. life is way different now. you are skewed. i do have honest and i pay them off religiously. i graduated in 2012 and never been late, i paid $300 a month before covid then it stopped because of covid. i was saving to get a house and now we ramp up. so let's do the savings program. i did it online. i had to pay $600 now with the savings program because they go after your 2022i.r.s. taxes. the timing is awful. so i called. i waited and waited. i talked to -- they are very nice. i talked to somebody and they helped me lower it to $97.

from $600 to $97. october turns on guess how much they take out of my account. $600. they are not ready for this. the house, senate, should have passed this. they would have made the quality of life for people, young people like me, higher. if you love your grandkids you have to help them out. thank you. host: michael stratford. guest: a few things. the state program in -- the save program in general is the least expensive option for borrowers but it is not the least expensive option for every borrower. so some will want to check on student aid.gov for the best plan. the caller also mentioned what sounds like a serious error that

a loan servicer or the government was making with their loan and in throws cases borrowers have options to seek some recourse. income contact state student loan a.m. buds men, u.s. department of education ombudsman or consumer protection bureau all of who have complaint processes to resolve errors like the one the caller mentioned. host: paul in new york. caller: good morning. i guess my question is clearly it looks like the student loan program isn't working for a lot of people. my question is why isn't there an effort to reform it? this idea of simply trying to pay off people who are behind -- and ican sympathize with their position but it doesn't seem to

have financial education and ask the callers what did you major in? did you think of how much you would make after you got out and stuff like that. it seems like i really don't see any significant proposals by the administration to actually form it and if you are trying to forgive it, it would suggest there's a problem if the premise of you go to school, you make more money and pay back the loan from that, isn't working and something is wrong. and is there any effort to get the educational institutions to kick in some money? these administrators, some of them make well into seven figures. it seems bizarre that there's this launch problem but we are not fully addressing fundamental issues associated with it. thank you so much. host: michael stratford.

guest: one criticism leveled at the administration often that student debt relief is a band-aid on a bigger problem which is the rising cost of college. one thing the administration has done to contain the cost of college or make sure studentsst

college. one thing the administration has done to contain the cost of college or make sure students graduate programs that provide good value is a regulation the administration finalized the gainful employment rule. and that requires career college programs, so most programs and vocational programs it meet certain metrics to continue to receive aid and be eligible for students to take out honest, federal student loans, to go to their programs. it also requires new transparency disclosure requirements which the administration says it hopes it will help borrowers become better consumers and shop around

for a good value when they are selecting a college program. for the first time those disclosures will be made to graduate student borrowers at all types of institutions, nonprofit, public and for profit and the administration hopes that transparency will help students choose the best option and hopefully will allow them to get in a career that is going to help pay off loans. host: vanessa from florida. what did you major in and how much student debt do you have? caller: hi. i'm a graduate of a for profit law school and i have hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt. i want to -- everyone knows that biden's program is not enough for the worst hurt borrowers like myself. that the department of education

closed my school for fraud and i'm on the hook for hundreds of thousands of dollars from a school with a bad reputation. i don't trust the department of education to do the right thing. they sent me a letter that they have until the year 2040 to process my application while interest still accrues. what i'm waiting for is either party to restore bankruptcy rights. it was in the d.n.c. party platform and they had a chance to pass a bill 2598 last year and they broke that promise. host: let's take that point about bankruptcy and student loans. michael stratford. guest: it is exceedingly difficult for student loan borrowers to get their debts discharged in bankruptcy. the standard for being able to have your lens discharged in

bankruptcy proceeding is were higher on student loans than other types of debt lake credit card debt. the biden administration has said it would support changes to the law that would make that process easier for student loan borrowers in bankruptcy. it made the administrative changes to at least not challenge borrowers in court when they are trying to get their debt canceled in some cases. but it would require congress to change the law to change the standard for student loan discharges in bankruptcy. host: we will go to new york. caller: good morning. i'm a graduate of cuny state college in sociology and was able to go back to school for 12, 13, 14 years.

my thought on this is with senator sanders america is supposed to be the richest country in the world. how come we can't give our people a college education and have them for maybe three years after the graduation to in some form or another give back to the community in some way or another? in some foreign countries they do that. for instance, cuba is one. they give free tuition and he promised if anyone from the united states wanted to go to his country and become a doctor they could come back to america and go into community and for three years do some volunteer free work in support of getting the free education. we give actually two hundred and

some thousand dollars a year to the supreme court, we give two hundred and some to the congress and a hundred and some of the congress and senators which is elaborate salaries, then our workers we want to pay them less than $15 in america. i think we should take more consideration and we also, to be friends with other countries, we give them a big pile of money which we could take that and put it in those areas to at least five different countries just to be friends with them. host: what did you hear there? guest: one continuing the administration has been trying to walk a line from the beginning is to provide the student debt relief that many progressives like senator

sanders, elizabeth warren were demanding but trying to make clear that they understand that the amount of money they have to provide is not unlimited. if you look at the first debt relief program they included some income limits to avoid wealthy borrowers to receive relief. and in working through these targeted relief programs i think you heard from the president yesterday they want to focus on borrowers who have been paying for a period of time or who have other reasons that they are not able to pay their debts, making clear that they are trying to find a balance between forgiving everything and programs that are just too small that they don't help a lot of people. host: michael stratford covers education for politico. you can finds his reporting on x

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>> "washington journal" continues. host: we are at open forum for the rest of "washington journal." we have about 25 minutes to talk about politics, public policy, debates and the big debate this week over the speaker of the house following the vote to oust kevin mccarthy from that post. here is the head lane in the "wall street journal" mccarthy ousted trigger successor scram believe is. the house remains at a standstill as they try to pick a new leaders. they declared candidates including jim jordan and steve scalise. we can talk about other potential candidates as well during it open forum. the headline washington times the homeland security secretary says the luther secretary wednesday said that the u.s. has an acute and immediate need to build a border wall in texas and

issued a or waiving some of the most environment at protection laws to speed up connection saying there is presently an acute and immediate need to construct physical barriers in the vicinity of the board to prevent unlawful entry in the project areas. in an official filing it was said. to ensure the expeditious construction i have determined that it is necessary that i exercise the authority vested in me by a section of code of the united states. that is the "washington times" front page. there is also this story in the "washington post" below the fold nearly 20 months after russia invaded ukraine bipartisan support has frayed according to a survey by the chicago council on global affairs. post americans still support additional arms to the

ukrainians but more divisions exist over what the best investment has been worthwhile. that is part of the debate and reason why some republicans were voting against kevin mccarthy it remain as speaker. then there is this front major piece of the "u.s.a. today" san francisco honors feinstein's life and legacy with a picture of the former speaker nancy pelosi and husband and others gathered around the casket for dianne feinstein. she lay in state in san francisco yesterday. here in the nation's capitol, the senator appointed to replace dianne feinstein by the california governor, senator butler, had this to say on senator, the late senator's legacy. >> as mayor, she -- much stphrapb, first woman mayor of

san francisco -- to come into the united states senate and the year of the woman, to lead all of the life battles that you have heard and have read over the last few days and just here today, senator feinstein is an example of the gift. she had the courage to run and she worked hard to win and win, she won. she did the work to change the world. to be able to sit in her seat, knowing that i will never be able to fill her shoes is the honor of a life time. i remember when i first met her in 2009 and in her district office in san francisco, she was convening stakeholders to talk about important issues relative

to immigration. and she brought us, a group of community leaders and labor leaders into her districts office. the first thing she did is not tell us what was going on in washington. she didn't tell us the role she was playing in negotiating language or bills. she asked us how the community was feeling. on every story and interaction that i have had with senator feinstein before her passing and even since has reminded me very much of her approach to the work starting with the people of california. it is definitely the example that i intend -- that i have learned from and want to offer my colleagues on behalf of the legacy of senator dianne feinstein. thank you, leaders schumer, for inviting me.

>> thank you. she is the greatest already. host: the senator from california, senator butler yesterday. we are open forum. tim in california, democratic caller. we were talking about student loans before and that is your topic in open forum? caller: yes, thank you for taking my call. host: you bet. go ahead. host: for starters solidarity for the kaiser perform anyone day i work for people and underpaying to them. the caller that called in about how her husband paid off her student loans because she was a doctor. first she didn't pay off her student loans -- host: she was talking about his student loans, not hers. host: what people have to understand the cost of tuition has increased since the 1970's

three times greater than the rate of inflation. education back in those days was very affordable. i went to medical school and unfortunately dropped out because my family was more important than graduating medical school and medical schools are average of $40,000 a year for her husband. i also dropped out because it is a long story but i have to live with that trying to uphold the meritocracy which often doesn't work out. i did everything i can to become a medical doctor and it fell through and i have to eat throws loans. people from older generations needs to understand the cost of everything has inflated for the millennial. she talked about a car cost $2,000. let's not get two cost of home which are on average $400,000 and they bought there's for less than $10,000.

any older generation people want to tell younger generations to pay bills need to understand how much the rate consist has gigantically increased. lastly, no one ever talked about the benefit of canceling student debt. we say do it and everyone whines. what if that huge amount of money is put back into the pockets of consumers to buy home runs and cars and participate in the economy. "wall street journal" in 2019 put out an article that said that if millennials will more money in their pocket and not held back by student debt they would invest. they would invest in green firms and technology. so, people need to understand that it is not as simple as paying off your debt. the cost of everything is insanely, dramatically increased and if we forgive student debt borrowers could participate in

the economy. host: but what about if you do that how are colleges and universities going to respond. why would they have any incentive to change the cost of college? caller: education should not be a for profit institution. back in the 1940's or 1950's, the so far socialist republic were leading in the space race and americans thought we were getting behind in science so they made these amazing incentives it invest in people rather than corporations and for private schools to educate the population so we could have more jobs, new technology, et cetera. and over the last decade certainly sin the reagan administration, and i'm not a member of the biden crime

family, the communists, but gallonism has taken grasps of exploiting people who are pursuing their interest to become educated and contribute to society. host: tim, hrorpls you there. carl in houston, texas, democratic caller. caller: good morning. thank you to the guy that called, and i will try to be quick, the guy that called biden the biden crime family. i think he needs to stop and take a look at what is going on. however, america is making several mistakes. one, if not for the black community, we would to longer be a republic. however, america has more than one problem than just student

loans. why france is going around and with neoclonal slavery and america is backing them and saying it is ok. as long as america keeps taking the sides o -- countries doing that to others, especially africans and african-american americans, america is going to have a lot of problems and they need to take a look at it. because right now you have a lot of african-americans talking about going over to the other side to the republicans. why? because for all of these years america has not honored anything it said it would do for black

african-americans. it has done everything for everybody, but when it comes to african-americans nothing can get done. so, i say that until they change -- host: all right, carl. let's go to rick in nebraska, independent. we are in open forum. rick, are you there? one last call for rick. charlotte, wall deny, fork. republican. caller: i'm calling in regard to speaker mccarthy. i'm glad he is out of office. i don't think he was strong enough to defeat the democratic party. i agree with mr. gates that we've to get back to fiscal conservatism and i agree with the young man from tennessee, we have to start getting back to being fiscally responsible --

i'm a little nervous about talking -- get back to being responsible and that also means putting favorite back in the family because mr. johnson decided that we will keep the blacks down and get the father out of the family along with that with the welfare system. wefare needs to be reformed. every father that has a child should be responsible for the child and we need to get back to basics, which is faith and family. thank you for taking my call. host: campaign 2024 on "u.s.a. today" nicky haley overtakes ronda san it's in new hampshire. according to "u.s.a. today" boston klobuchar a survey likely voters in the first in the nation republican power trump

49% and haley 19% that gap is daunting she has surged ahead of the florida governor. wanda in chattanooga, tennessee, democratic caller. caller: i would like to say you do a great job at c-span. the person you had on of a guest he stirred around what they are saying and i believe they felt like there were still on the line with some of those people that they called to get things resolved. nothing is resolved. as far as myself, i have a student loan of like $50,000. i live here in tennessee and i had a felony in 1984 and i'm not able to use my degree. i'm not mad i got my degree but i'm mad my loan has triple and i borrowed like $15,000 and it is

now $50,000. we somebody has a credit card and they can go to our government and have that credit card have bankruptcy that is a good thing for them, i guess, i don't know. because they can continue to live. but rate where i'm living it is hard to live without a job that pays more than $15 an hour. host: here is an article about paying in the wash times. amtrak executives paid up to $780,000 as the company loses money. the top 10 executives make between $5504,000 and $780,000 according to an audit open the books. amtrak's payroll is taxpayer funded only released a portion of the information. the salaries of 19,000 other employees were not disclosed due to an freedoms of information

exemption that allows them to withhold personal information. it is a government subsidized corporation that runs the nationals passenger train service in the united states. it received $6.6 billion from the federal railroad administration and another $6.8 billion we riding was down it received $1 billion from the cares act and another $1.7 billion from the american rescue plan. even with all of that money there are widespread complaints about the train service. signal problems, mechanical snafus an tkpaour breakdowns. slow and delayed trains have plagued the northeast since the summer with the blame on the heat and aging fleet and attack work. that is in the washington times if you are interested about the amtrak executive taxpayer money

$780,000 then in the "washington post" a study found over 80% of four star military retirees work in the defense industry. already reason in detroi -- lorena in detroit, independence. caller: i'm calling about the college loans. i graduated in 1979 from nursing school at wayne state university and i borrowed money. i was married but i borrowed money for tuition and other spends. i paid it off years later and i was not always really responsible but i did pay it off at $6,500. a couple of years ago they were having protests in england because they were actually making people pay tuition. i guess tv tuition will always been free before that. when i started the loan process

that came through the government, through the college, which was ok except at the used students in the office and it was difficult and they opened it up to savings and loans and i happened to be on an account with my sister and that's where i gotably loan or i wouldn't have gotten it that way. it was very efficient. but this is all very predatory. you live in a culture where it is a predatory culture. they are trying to rip off people for whatever they can and we need doctors and nurses and college graduates and they use it as a way to make profits. host: the caller from illinois, republican. caller: good morning. tphaeufrpg -- thank you and you look great. i thought about there for a few months and i have an idea to

save the american people billions of dollars. when we get a republican president again in the next election and he starts deporting immigrants, instead of using planes to send them back home use some old cruise ships that have kitchens, stop in mexico and venezuela and colombia and drop them off come back and get another load. host: we go to steve in oak ridge, tennessee, democratic caller. host: i want to solve our gasoline crisis here. i was in utah two weeks ago and stayed for five days and 24-7 our 20,000 gallon tankers running out of those refiners in salt lake city.

began there is $4.39. in tennessee it is $3.19 so i don't get that bill but number one, drive the speed limit. cut down your trips and car pool. and once the demand has gone down the cost will go down and one last thing. i takened east tennessee state university fine 67. my tuition and dorm rent for the well year was $450. ok? my grandson is at the university of north carolina which will ming today and his tuition for the year is $20,000. so, any way, just my thoughts and ideas this morning. thank you so much. host: this is from norcross, georgia. independent. caller: good morning, c-span. i want to -- my message is exactly the same as the previous

caller. i win to the university of new mexico in 1971 and it was trimester system, $240 a semester for full class load. my daughter i put through college in -- 24 years ago -- and that cost me -- she had hope grants in georgia the first two years so that was virtually free. i just will to buy her a car to get back and forth. then she work as an e.m.t. at north carolina for a couple years to get in-state tuition there. for the last two years it only cost me a couple thousand dollars. so, the inflation and cost of education has just gone through the roof.

host: richard from verona, missouri, democratic caller. caller: i'm calling, i listen to the program most of the time. the other day a lady from kansas said that michelle obama was the dumbest first lady we ever had. i got to thinking she put up with something she shouldn't have puts up with and the one this we had mrs. trump, what kind of tension -- intelligence she got been married three times or four. and what kinds of woman would put up with something like that having sex with her women while they are married. host: we are talking public policy and politics. john in california, republican. caller: good morning.

what i noticed is a lot of callers saying tuition is really high. from what i recall, academia is run by democrats, and most of the colleges are run by democrats.