building 100,000 miles of new infrasucture. >> supports c-span as a public service giving you a front row seat to democracy. >> good morning it's saturday october 14, 2023. here in washington republican representative jim jordan won a secret ballot among house republicans to become the next speaker of the house. but divisions among the g.o.p. remain and a full floor vote is on pause. all this as fighting intensifies between israel and hamas and a million residents of gaza are under orders to evacuate with an israeli ground invasion expected to be imminent. we want to get your thoughts on both of those stories. you can call us at the numbers

on your screen. independents on . and if you like to text us, you can do that if you would like to text us you can do that, just make sure to include your name and where you're from. we'll start with what's going on on capitol hill. an article here from the washington examiner that the house left town for the weekend as jim jordan tries to shore up support for the speaker bid. that written by several of the reporters for the washington xham anywhere and we're joined by one of them this morning reesegoerman who is a congressional reporter for the washington examiner. for the washington examiner. reese, good morning. >> thanks for having me on. host: explain what happened yesterday. guest: yesterday the house went back into a closed-door meeting. a ballot nomination between jim jordan and offer scott of

georgia who got in the race one hour before the candidate form and they tried to nominate a new speaker candidate. jim jordan came out in the top, receiving 124 votes. and so he is now the republican nominee for speaker of the house. but he is not -- does not have the sport to become speaker because it requires 217 votes to get speaker. when asked on the second ballot if he would support jim jordan on the floor, that vote was only 152 to 55. 55 people said they do -- they would not support jim jordan on the house floor. host: go ahead. guest: democrats are not going to be voting for jim jordan so it is up to republicans and he does not have the votes. host: what was the mood among republicans after the vote he did not have enough votes to win this ship outright?

guest: there are some people that call on kevin mccarthy and said jim jordan would be speaker and would get the votes and there were other people, thomas matthew was confident jim jordan would become speaker especially after a weekend to shore up that support. then there were other members, the more moderate marin -- moderate members of the republican caucus not so confident in him as a speaker. they maybe don't want jim jordan to be speaker, especially the older veterans remembering this older jim jordan from 2016 and 2019 and that is how they remember him by or if you are a moderate you know jim jordan as the same kind of way, might not go back in your district especially if joe biden won the district in 2020. host: scott, a republican who got 81 votes after throwing his name with agreement zero

preparation and not much of her to drum up support. what was behind that? why does that -- what does that tell you about where the gop is right now? guest: he got 81 votes and went into conference telling reporters i don't want to be speaker. he was just running as a protest vote for people to vote against jim jordan. he got in an hour before the race began and was telling people he did not want to be speaker so 81 votes he got was protest votes, no pro scott votes there were anti-jim jordan votes. it will be a tough battle that jordan has to climb in order to regain some of that support or get it in general because you need 217 and he has quite a ways away from to 17 right now. host: what are some of the criticism of jordan from those who do not support them? are they all movable in their votes? guest: yeah.

i think it varies a little bit. moderates, especially those who want president joe biden, resident joe biden when their district. jim jordan is a guy who is really well-known, even if you don't follow politics heavily you know who jim jordan is. he i think they don't want to be tied to kind of some of his past policies or whatever and don't want to be tied to that because the districts are purple or blue and boating could hurt them in reelection. they are also worried about some of the votes he might have them take if he is speaker whether -- speaker. that is one of the worries from some of the moderates. talking to the veteran members of the house republican conference, a lot of them will likely support jordan on the floor because they respect the institution but a lot are upset because they see jordan supporters, whether it be thomas mackey, beth miller, however,

steve scully said the nomination, they kind of tainted and said we would never vote for steve scalise, we are voting for jim jordan, he is our guy, we are the -- the guy we want. they see it as jordan didn't come out and endorse steve scalise but he was unable to have some of the fellow colleagues behind that were supportive -- supporting him. he said if you can't get them to follow you on some thing like a speaker race, how are you going to get them to follow you on voting for continued resolution, stuff that matters to the country more so than electing a speaker. i think that is also a fear and worry. host: what does jim jordan's we can look like in terms of drumming up the support he needs? guest: it will be a lot talking to members one-on-one. members have gone home so he will be making calls. his allies will probably make calls trying to rally up that support and then you also have i

think his allies are thinking after they take this weekend, a lot of people know jim jordan and gop grassroots loves jim jordan and that is something he has going for him when these republican members go on to their districts. and they start talking to constituents, constituents might start, especially the republican constituents, might be like talk to jordan, try to get them in the air, vote for jim jordan and i think that is something that going home jim jordan would rally for under this public pressure of a, i think that is something they maybe can see, but again it is still, even if we take the 51 vote, cut it in half because of the private ballots, because some of those will probably still support jordan on the floor, you have 25 people that said they will not vote for jordan on the floor. that is a huge decline.

>> what is the plan for a four book ash for vote. any sense of when that might happen or whether we can expect a multi-round situation like we had with the last speaker vote? guest: it is sounding like it will happen around tuesday. monday is the as they can have a vote but i think what you will see his people back home from the weekend will fly in on monday, probably go to conference, and start talking like do we make any change for this weekend, to have more support, can i take to the floor? after that, even if he does not have the support, i think going to the floor, trying to see where -- who he needs to flip, where he is lacking, and try to hone those people in and talk to them, rally them together. i think that is what we might see so you might see a couple. i don't see jordan not taking this to the floor.

scalise didn't take it to the floor when it was evident he didn't have the votes. i don't see jordan do that -- doing that. i don't think you will see a 15 round situation like january because kevin mccarthy had the support of 90% of the conference. there were a few holdouts that did not want to vote but what you will see what jordan is maybe two to five rounds and then he drops out and he goes -- we will be back to square one or he gets a vote. that is a possibility he will get the votes. he can rally supporters, may be rally the holdouts, and maybe he can get the votes. the math is tough for them are now so there is a possibility he does get the votes on the second or third ballot. once he finds out who cast me, get them on the record. host: where are the democrats in all of this? i look at an article in politico that there are some democratic

centrists reaching out to the speaker pro tem, seeing if there might be a deal to be made. what are you hearing about that? guest: i think this is a legitimate possibility. there are -- there is a realistic chance no one in the republican conference can get 217 votes right now with just republicans alone. that is a really -- four people can take anyone's chances. anyone person could wake up one day and be like i don't a vote for this person. so there's a possibility that republicans are going to have to work with democrats to get a speaker elected. there are already talked about this, we have kind of seen that happen. the republican governance group might try to work through the aisle and talk about candidates and try to get some elected i can get 217 but after a little power-sharing agreement. i think that's a realistic thing we could see. steve scalise can get to 17,

maccarthy got ousted by his own members, so i think we'll have to see probably is some kind of power-sharing agreement and that is a realistic thing that could happen. host: what you wrote -- watching for the next couple days? guest: i will be looking to see if any of the holdouts flip. we know who a couple are, we don't know who all 51 are but i think you could see some of those whether it is reports of people or anything like that, once you start seeing those flip, that is a huge indicator jordans plan is working or even the other way, if people go back and start losing, you got people saying i'm not voting for jordan , one representative said she would have to reevaluate her support for jim jordan and that was a flip there that people are going to have to watch for and start typing that. i think it is seen when members

are saying back in the district and where is the support going. is he losing support? is he gaining support? is this thing the same? come monday or tuesday, especially monday, we will be able to talk to these members in person and see what is going on and see where we are and where we stand and it is possible he could get to 17. host: rhys gorman, congressional reporter at the washington examiner. i hope you can get some rest this morning and thank you very much. guest: i will try. host: we would love to hear your thoughts on this topic as well as the war going on between israel and hamas. our numbers are (202) 748-8001 for republicans, democrats at (202) 748-8000, and independents, at -- independents at (202) 748-8002, and of course you can text us at (202) 748-8003.

we were speaking about the democratic role in all of this and house democrats spoke after the republican counterparts rejected jim jordan as the nominee for speaker or at least for the full floor vote. here's part of what represented hakeem jeffries had to say. >> because we are hair as members of the house of representatives to make life better for everyday americans, not play political games. [applause] house democrats will continue to fight for lower cost, better paying jobs, saver community, reproductive freedom, defend democracy, fix our broken immigration system, protect the rights to vote and build an economy that works for everyday economy -- americans for the middle up -- middle out and bottom up. we want to find a bipartisan task to reopening the house of

representatives. so we can solve problems for the american people. [applause] and with our friends like israel and ukraine and throughout the free world. but the house republican civil war continues to rage on. my ring the congress in chaos, dysfunction, and extremism. house republicans have chosen the triple down on the chaos, triple down on the dysfunction, and triple down on the extremism. house republicans have selected as their nominee to be the speaker of the people's house the chairman of the chaos caucus, a defender and dangers

-- in a dangerous way dysfunction and extremist extraordinaire. host: we are taking your thoughts on this as well. let's hear from tommy in waterbury, connecticut on the democrats line. caller: good morning. let me say i like the new set. it looks very good. i think you are on a higher floor right now and i'm waiting for that little spider to show up on the back window. anyways, i called about the -- i have been listening all week and watching the protests for israel and against israel but most was centered around the protests against israel. and the threat of violence on the calls that come in. i'm a liberal and i don't like any of that stuff, whether it goes for one side or the other. i fought for the last number of years -- thought from the last number of years that it was the

whites of premises's that hated the jews or the jewish regional -- jewish religion. now i see colleges and liberals in liberal towns are writing and the hatred you see in their faces and words i'm sure you are going to get this after i hang up as well but is it maybe they have something in common or does the whole world hate the jews. what is it? i hear on this program and all my other stations i watch, the white supremacists hate the jews and they are out for them but i'm questioning it now. i see these colleges so you have a nice day. host: jonathan in brooklyn, new york, also on the democratic line. jonathan? go ahead. looks like we lost jonathan. let's hear from yesterday in tel

aviv -- actually, never mind, let's go to some tweets here back on the topic of the house dysfunction. we have congressman micah zell who responded with the ongoing war in israel and the chaos on our southernorder, america needs leadership, saying that we shouldot be leaving washington until we have an elected speaker and we get back to work for the american people. then we have represeate jamie raskin, when i came in thiss lated to the fact that some members of the republican pay were saying that they were hesitant for steve scalise due to his cancer diagnosis. jamie raskin says when i came down with cancer, my carcass colleaguesaled around to support me as a rankingemrat on oversight, i am dumbfounded that gop members andrump used

steve scalise his cancer to abandon him -- cancer is a reason to abandon him on -- abandon him after electing over the cause. caller: we got into the israeli, palestinian conflict. all my life i heard the united states has been a supporter of israel. we give them the best weapons, they have the advantage in the middle east over every other army, then a group of prisoners is able to overrun their army. i don't understand that. and we have to give them more help? how is it that they can with the resources they have with an ordinary prison group? secondarily, regarding this idea that people from gaza have to move from one place to the next.

if you have a whole group of people, one point something million people from one part of a country into another part, it is such a small area and you say after we have gone that far because we're looking for hamas and hamas moves in, what are you going to say? you have to move them back into the south or the borders of the society? second and thirdly, israeli military is nothing more than [indiscernible] you have over hundred something thousand in gaza, you have hostages, and just because somebody in gaza has a rifle, they have to stay up in the air and upon the people? that is ridiculous. we can have them go in and rescue the hostages. let's say you have 10,000-30,000, half a million

israeli troops and going underground right now? host: let's go to jack in mississippi, also on the democratic line area did caller: i believe in that -- line. caller: i believe in the constitution and democratic and republican representatives should be working for the good of the government, not of their political powers, of concerning the war in israel, israel is a country. hamas is a religion. this is basically a religious war against israel. we have the same condition in the united states only by

individuals considering what attacking hamas or attacking any other religious group. the third subject i'm interested in is the war in ukraine done by putin. putin is worse than hitler's. host: thank you, jack. roy in at worth, georgia the republican line. caller: listening to the democrats the other day on israel. this has kind of come together. israel has a rich history and we should realize that history and israel had several conflicts, but the thing that happened is that when israel relied on a third country to support them, oftentimes they displeased god.

my thing is this, democrats call themselves christians are believers and we know republicans say they are so this is the time the democrats and republicans need to get together and pray for the country of israel that they will turn and trust that their god will deliver them out of this and not just trust on the united states because we are flawed and we know we are flawed. israel, i hope and pray, their return back to their source, that the country will play not -- pray not that the united states will deliver them but their god will deliver them and if we can do that and if we as a country, the united states, who has those christian values would also pray because we have a history and we know how god works. he showed us how he works in his bible. for those that know how god

works, they need to also pray. host: thank you. donetta on the democratic line. caller: yes. these are all abraham's kids. but still abraham's kids. the thing i really don't want to see is jim jordan as speaker of the house. host: ok. we have tweets here we can look at from a representative austin scot who said hily respect jim jordan. he iansset to the republican partan nominee for speaker. our conference has spoke and now we musune behind jordan wcan get congress back to work. one of many ofheesponses from members of the house in response to what has been happening this week. one more time with the numbers,

you can call (202) 748-8001 for republicans, democrats at -- the same number, (202) 748-8000. independents (202) 748-8002. let's hear from our next caller on the independent line. caller: good morning. i'm a little overwhelmed but by the diversity of opinion but i wanted to mention a few things. when we had a war against isis in the middle east, we had russians, we had syrians, we had americans, we had hezbollah technically on the same side as the united states against the group called commonly isis. hamas is not associated with iran. hezbollah is. hezbollah is working with the russians and hamas is basically

like a pirate group like isis is , and i don't know what anyone thinks in the united states because i get really messed up here -- hearing the diversity of opinions but if this happened in the united states, i swear there would be some crazy people wanting to go around and doing the same thing here to the other side. i do not approve of what hamas did at all. i think in military since they violated every rule of engagement. the only reason i can figure out why they did it was because israel was going to sign an agreement with saudi arabia from what i understand and they wanted to throw a monkey wrench into it. so unless the american people wise up and get beyond this political nonsense and get more of an international perspective of it, where they had a great

diversity against isis, i don't think this is going to be the last of it because they did this intentionally to throw a peace agreement off track. host: we have a headline from the times of israel today where netanyahu is saying we have hit a mosque -- hamas hard but it is only the beginning. let's go to howard in texas on the republican line. caller: good morning. how are you doing? it's a great day. host: good morning. caller: hakeem jeffries, why is he being so divisive and name-calling? what is the deal with that? i wonder why these neighboring countries in the middle east did not help out with what hamas -- letting these people out and stuff. why art the neighboring countries helping solve what is happening over there to --

there? and i can't believe hakeem jeffries is so divisive and name-calling. host: our next colors on the democratic line. caller: -- caller on the democratic line. caller: yes, if we sent a unit from the u.n. into -- host: sorry there, henry, can you turned on your tv, please? caller: yes. host: need you to turn down the volume on your tv and would love to hear what you have to say. caller: ok. now if we sent a unit into the west bank and unit from the u.n., let them assess what's going on between the two and

bring the leaders to the table from both countries, sit down with the u.n. element and let the u.n. make a decision as to what needs to be done and that is to draw a borderline, even build a wall, between the two and promise the east side if they come over the wall for any reason without permission, they will be shot. host: let's go to mark in franklin, pennsylvania on the independent line. caller: yes, thank you for taking my call. i would like, if i may, to quote here just three sentences from

george washington's farewell address when he left the presidency. i am connecting this here with u.s. involvement in the israel/palestine conflict. he said a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. sympathy for the favorite nation facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists and infusing into one the enmities of the other. i will leave it to your listeners to make their own connections there. enke. host: pew research has some

numbers and data about how the united states and americans view israel. in 2022 survey, more than half americans had a favorable view of israel while 41% had an unfavorable view, varying in age, partisanship, and religious affiliation. older people in the united states tend to have a more favorable opinion of israel compared to just 49% of those aged 30 to 49 and 41% of those under 40 republicans more likely than democrats to have a positive view of israel at 71 versus 44%. conservative republicans who are especially likely to express favor at 75%. let's hear from sandy in columbus, ohio on the democratic line. caller: good morning. i am calling to say first of all that i am so upset jim jordan

might be the speaker of the house. he should be in prison here in ohio for the wrestlers and he is also -- he did not submit to the subpoena from the jan six committee. he is not capable of doing the job. he is a hateful man, so as far as the war goes on, when somebody like what we have hamas and we have cells in the united states, hanging people, killing them, whether a large group or a small group, we can't have that in a so-called christian society or normal society. so now, the palestinian people, they are captive. the israel people have been attacked and babies killed.

i do not understand why people don't see that you can't be on an island by yourself. you've got to have other people and a coalition. now people want to say well don't get involved. as far as the borders, i heard a woman say last week but they could be over here and week -- we should secure our borders. lowe's -- those people came in by air, they glided into israel. they did not cross the border so yes we need security, we need to phase out people here that havey -- hate other people, bombing churches, killing people, because this hate. come on. let's get it together and get people in there and don't put people in there that cause this type of situation. host: next caller in anaheim, california on the republican

line. go ahead, kurt. caller: hi. host: you're on, go ahead. caller: thank you very much. first of all, i want to say thank you for c-span for being online and allowing people to speak their truth or lease their opinion. and i'm comfortable with jim jordan being house speaker. i think he is an honest person and speaks his mind and i look forward to the opportunity of donald trump in your next president again. he did a good job, he ran the company like a business. he is not perfect nor is anybody ever seen in office. i just hope that we can all come together and forgive each other and get along and work things work is not as hard as some people think it is dealing with other people and you need to put

yourself in other people's positions and their shoes and not be so judge mental. just forgive others and have peace. thank you. host: tyrone in new york is on the democratic line. caller: [indiscernible] host: are you there? looks like we may have lost tyrone. let's go to ne-yo in scranton, pennsylvania also on the democratic line. caller: good morning. regarding the chaos in the house of representatives, that is because you people out there voting, jim jordan, kevin mccarthy, marjorie taylor greene, vote these people out. what is wrong with you? you see the chaos, they are not going to govern. they have zero what it takes to be in office. vote them off. vote these people out to get our

government back running normal. these people are just -- they don't know how to govern and don't want to govern. they are just trump stirs. that's another thing, you guys calling to say you want trump to be president again? are you kidding me? just vote these people out. host: we have a comment on x from someone with handle august mom three. m rdan does not believe in democracy. he decided subpoena, he is an election denier, he will be trump's publi--uppet, he is a disruptor and not a leader, has no desire to govern so that is their man. a tear from mary in kandake in illinois on the democratic line. i don't i say the name of your town? caller: kankakee. host: kankakee, thank you. caller: i'm calling because i'm

a democrat, i do not want jim jordan to be speaker. he is responsible for that riot january 6, he is donald trump's puppet, we don't need this. we need america back together again. everyone. we need to join as a country, not as a terrorist or someone acting against us. we had four years of donald trump. we don't need that anymore. we need something that's going to stick with us and be by our side for everyone. and that is what i wanted to say. thanks. host: looks like liz cheney has similar thoughts. a former memr the house on x saying jim jordan was involved in trump's conspiracy to steal the election andei power. he urged pence refused to count lawful electoral votes. if rubcans nominate jordan to be the saker, they will be

abandoning the constitution and will lose the house majority and they will deserve to. let's hear from james in newark new jersey on the independent line. caller: hi. there are two sides of me and that is why i'm independent. i have been saying since 2009 build a wall on the west tip of california and [indiscernible] . now, about israel, i've been saying since 2003 you're not can i have no peace. [indiscernible] thank you. host: ok. frank in pennsylvania on the republican line. caller: i just think this is a

whole coincidence of getting rid of the speaker and now they cannot make any decisions and now all of a sudden this war breaks out. everything just seems suspicious how it works together and how come they have way more dented -- democratic calls on this channel then republican. host: we take the calls in the order that we get them. caller: ok. just don't seem fair. host: we are happy to hear from everyone. those lines are up for anyone who wants to weigh in. let's go to karo in brooklyn, new york on the democratic line. caller: hello. 1948, england and america create -- host: can you please turned on your television, carl? caller: i said 1948, england and america create israel. [indiscernible]

when the israelis say they don't want to go, they want to go where they changed to palestine. when they went in here, people had the money to buy the people stuff and they changed. they are fighting for the land. the whole problem started. no. did biden ever say anything about israelites? israelite is a sham. [indiscernible] so it is not their own. the palestinian is a part of arabia, the israeli is a part of europe so it is a racial war.

but a lot of people just use the bible and because it is a white world, whatever the whites will do is write. host: let's move on to linda in florida on the independent line. caller: yes, i was just wondering, all the people from pakistan here in america or over the world, they don't seem like they get it to why israel is retaliating because hamas is the ones that had started this conflict. i don't understand why the palestinians don't recognize that, that hamas is the one that started this conflict and i feel like the middle east people, they are very judge mental on to

where except everybody for who they are. and i just am praying every day tower god, our jesus, to stop this and to have people accept who they are and the palestinian people have to understand hamas had started this, not israel. israel was giving them peace. i just wanted to say that and i thank you very much. host:e have a comment from just -- jeff williams on facebook who says if your moral compass is attuned to the suffering of only one side, your compass is broken and so is your humanity. let's go to al honey see petersburg, florida on the republican line. caller: yeah, as far as israel and hamas atrocities over there, i really don't have an opinion.

on the house, the problem in the house, with all of your democratic callers, with their hair on fire speaking that they don't one jim jordan in there a matter what, that just tells me yes we need to get him in there. we need somebody to slap back at these democrats once and for all. kevin mccarthy said the reason he made a deal with biden and wanted to keep a deal going to avert the government shutdown but he was afraid that the democrats would blame republicans for the shutdown. i have been through a few shutdowns. they don't affect me at all, maybe they affect other people, that's great. but no matter what happens, they would blame the republicans anyway, so what is the deal? no big deal to me if the government shuts down, fine. all they do -- all that'll end

up doing is harm people anyway. that's all i have to say, thank you. host: jane in dayton, ohio calling on the democratic line. go ahead. caller: i would like to say what a disgrace jim jordan has been for the state of ohio. he has never passed any bills to help any of the americans, he is there for the show and to help trump. it is just a shame because we have a beautiful state here and he has been in the scandal of ohio state and with all of this and helping with the insurrection, it is a sad situation all through the united states when people go before -- work for our government and don't abide by the constitution. thank you. host: on the independent line, will in tulsa, oklahoma. caller: hello. thank you for taking my call. i am going to echo a few comments i heard from some of the republican callers.

how come all of the democrats call in? maybe democrats are little more concerned and involved than some of the people he knows. maybe we are -- i vote democrat on some issues and vote republican on others. i vote for the person, not for the party. i think that is what america's problem is, all along party lines. we get entrenched and defend even though some actions are indefensible on both sides. jim jordan and the late of -- lady from ohio, i echo her sentiments. he is a puppet for trump, a trumper, and that is fine. you want to vote for trump, that is fine but don't vote for the people in the state of ohio. jim jordan cannot say biden was legitimately elected. he says the election of 2020 is

scandalous, is not accurate. and who created this entire doubt, nationwide out on our election system? trump. if he wins in 2016 against hillary, it is a great day. elections went smoothly. if he loses in 2020 against biden, it is a scam and leads down to the government. the gubernatorial races in arizona, all the election is flawed. it is a sickness. it is a malignancy and it is trump that i believe trump is the source of all of this doubt in the election denial is a. jim jordan to this day has not admitted defeat to joe biden and neither has scully's. both of them are in the firm belief election was stolen. host: let's go ahead move to paul in fort lauderdale, florida on the republican line.

caller: hi. just a quick answer to the last call about donald trump and election fraud. there were 1400 affidavits submitted by election officials saying there were discrepancies in the last election. the supreme court of wisconsin and pennsylvania have said the elections were basically a fraud because the signature requirements were changed without passage by the legislature of those things. so i would not be speaking so loudly about donald trump and election fraud. has far as the israeli/palestinian conflict, it has opened my eyes. i was a crusader for equal rights for black people. but i have kind of come to the conclusion that black people hate white people. host: ok, paul.

let's stop that there and moved to john in chantilly, virginia on the democratic line. caller: thanks for taking my call. i want to call that call despicable out. a must and israel, this is not something new. the problem is american people don't know even what because it is let alone what is going on and i understand that but the problem is 19 years old, who lives in gaza, he survived a bomb and is 19 years old and is be getting bombed that area. i am not condemning any violence but the reality is there's no broken deal that both sides will say. the previous leaders try to bring israel and palestine together and every time they get close, somebody broke that deal

but they don't want peace. this is what they want. the reason i also call is i am sick of it, people who are calling themselves republican. how long have you been a republican? was the republican party born yesterday or four years ago it donald trump? let's be clear here, people, i am an immigrant who came here and this is for me, you learn the reality when you vote and when you lose you leave the office but the caller like before us who thinks that if donald trump doesn't get what he wants there will be no america is a despicable and people need to understand jim jordan doesn't deserve to be in congress. that is all i have to say. host: michael in connecticut on the independent line. caller: good morning.

good morning. yes, jim jordan. before that, mccarthy. that did not last too long. before that, nancy pelosi, she ran with an iron fist. little 80-year-old woman, tiny little woman, she had control congress like nobody. steve scalise is out because he did not want to go through the ridiculousness that mccarthy had to go through and now you've got jim jordan. this guy is a bomb thrower. he says trump on the election. there was fraud in the election, how to trunk it one more vote than he did the first election? who got on the bandwagon? who voted for trump that didn't vote for him the first time? that is where the fraud was. trump said they were putting all of these votes through the machine over and over again, they were doing it for him but they just did not do it enough. over in israel, with netanyahu,

how many indictments is he going through? he is indicted on how many -- i don't know how many different charges. sounds just like trump. he's got 91 different charges against him and then yahoo!. i think hamas people have had enough and they cannot take it anymore, getting attacked all the time, having everything cut off from them. it is a horrible situation but i don't know what's going to happen there. it would jim jordan will still never be and republicans elect a democrat for speaker of the house because there is nobody there i will want the job that will be capable of doing it for you and it will be a mass until whenever. you guys are not going to get a speaker. it is not going to happen. host: i think we got your point there, michael p let's move to the republican line with norma in new mexico. caller: hello. my name is norma.

hello. my name is norma. i am calling from new mexico. i do not support jim jordan. i do not support steve scalise. i think the republican party is in disarray. however, as far as the democrats are concerned and to the lady that called and said we are in disarray, we should elect a democrat as speaker of the house, get your own side of the house in order. if jim jordan does not belong there, get rashida tlaib, get the rest of the squad out of the picture. you guys allow that kind of stuff go on, you are so quick to criticize the republicans. i don't think the republican party is giving itself a good look right now. i think it is in disarray. a lot of it has to do with trump.

however, with hakeem jeffries leading the charge on the democrat side, allowing rashida tlaib to fly the palestinian flag outside of her office, i don't think that is a good look for you guys either. let's get everybody together on the same page and stick up for what is right. america, the u.s. of a. host: there have been some democratic reaction to the ongoing speaker fight. eve cohen, a democrat representing the ninth district's in tennessee said on x another watching paint dry day, referring to yesterday, as republicans have not found their spker candidate. hopefully they will coalesce around someone andotngage in efforts overthrow an election, e who will not honor their oath and wk keep government open. you know all americans values. let's move to the democratic line with john in sacramento, california.

caller: good morning my hebrew, israelite, sister. i have a lot of stuff to sail the be -- about all these people calling in talking about israel. none of them know nothing about the bible because the bible is a closed book to anybody who is not an israelite. if you're not an israelite, i wish there was some israelites out there that woke up this early in the morning though call in and tell these people what is going on. there's a veil over these white people's eyes that has been lifted and they are seeing that they do not have any care over anything that they want to have to do with these black folks

anymore because they have given all they can give and they do not want to give anymore. and the reason why they are mad because these black folks can't even come together and get their own stuff. why can't we all come together and get our own thing? because the only way we are going to come together is we have our own nation. just like in the bible. we had our own nation read we were not dealing with no wife folks in the bible. host: thank you for your comments. let's go to david in charlotte, north carolina on the independent line. caller: good morning, everyone. pat buchanan, many years ago, said u.s. capitol hill is an occupied territory. everyone knows both parties have been bought and paid for by special interests. they will do anything to support

israel. same for u.s. media. and where does it in the u.s. constitution? it says we need to have blind support for israel? can we -- can anyone tell me three things that israel has done for the u.s. ever? the war is between two armies and not one army with all kinds of weapons and the other is ragtag people. israel deaf -- desperately want the u.s. to be involved with iran and also another thing, but back ramaswamy and nikki haley are such supporters of israel, why don't they go to israel and fight for them? you guys have a good day. thank you. host: francis in new jersey on the republican line. go ahead. caller: good morning. it is hard to keep up with everybody the way they move around but somebody brought up a

thing about liz cheney and brought me back to [indiscernible] she has no idea what a clavicle is. a clavicle is you grab the back, not the throat. her testimony was -- and if she ever gets on the stand she commits perjury. as far as a moscow's, when hamas took over, they dug up all the borderlines -- water lines and cut the pipes and made their own rockets. so they are not helping their people. they are not helping them at all.

from 1973, i used to work at the u.n. and i came out as a worker and they had the same bullcrap with the palestinians. they don't want anything. if you read the signs they have, they want to deceive. they don't want israel, they want to kill everybody. this is never going to work. host: john in virginia on the independent line. go ahead. john? are you here? caller: john from hampton, virginia? host: yes, go ahead, john. caller: good morning. i want to give kudos to the gentleman from oklahoma, the

independent. he said the most refreshing thing i've heard in a long time a caller set on the station, he said he would vote for the person, the person that would represent what he is looking for he would vote for them regardless of democrat and he called the trumper's out. to the guy in texas, mr. jeffries calling people names. can you remember back in 2015-2016 who is running for president? standing on the stage, would you look at that face? ok, so i will move on. to the people of israel and the people of palestine, everybody in palestine is not a terrorist. there are a lot of people there that do not want hamas in their

country, their neighborhoods, but they have no means of getting them out. they have no means of saying we do not want they these guys and if they do they probably get killed. americans less not to blame every person you see in palestine. to jim jordan, this is a man in the house, who would not commit to a subpoena, -- would not come to a subpoena but they subpoenaed hillary clinton. let them be me are you to get a subpoena and we did not show up, you know what will happen. and they want to put him in front of the house? these are republicans. host: we have more coming up. middle east research fellow at the atlantic castles digital forensic research lab will discuss the growth of

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this is what democracy looks like. c-span, powered by cable. announcer: washington journal continues. host: we are joined by dina sadek, a mideast research fellow at the atlantic councils digital forensic research lab. welcome. can you tell us about what you do at the digital forensic research lab and what has been the focus of your research since the war between israel and hamas broke out. guest: it is on exposing content and incidences of misinformation and hate speech. we do this around the world. i focus on the middle eastern countries and this is on white attacks against human rights centers -- on a wide attacks against human rights centers. we have been monitoring content and statements online from and

about the content from social media users and special sources. but also to understand and analyze the information landscape and narratives at this time. we have looked specifically into the spread of misinformation, disinformation, unverified, and rapid concept of social media platforms and have been looking into the fact of content moderation policies. host: people interested in your work can go to dfrlab.org where some of your recent work is online now about disinformation, misinformation, and propaganda. what were some of the highlights? guest: there is an overwhelming amount of content, difficult to quantify, including on social media platforms.

the main types of misinformation content include old footage from previous escalations. but also other footage from other conflicts like syria. there is a lot of graphic content which includes forms of extreme violence that media researchers and various education entities are still sifting through to determine the veracity of this content. we have seen footage taken from previous things to represent real events. we have also seen a number of old footage from paraglider's from other events and old footage due to hamas using paraglider's in this attack. host: i see this as one of the examples listed, using old videos. this one came from a training video that was egyptian and

french earlier this year and was depicted online now. it is just one of many examples. ultimately, what is the danger of this information going unchecked online, especially given how bad the situation is already? guest: i appreciate this question. the real danger is that it can exasperate the situation further by leading to the rise of hate speech and causing further violence. in rushing to understand what happened, many have shared updated and recycled information. the same thing happened in 20 during the previous legislate -- in 2021 during the previous legislation. research from other conflicts like myanmar and ethiopia and other escalations, and other iterations of this specific

conflict, have shown that online conflict can exasperate conflict and trigger violence further. everyone should share caution when participating in this information or sharing content. host: i do want to hear more from you later on tips to avoid misinformation. we would also like to hear from our audience. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. democrats on (202) 748-8000. dina sadek, x, formerly known as twitter, has received a lot of criticism for misinformation on the platform. i wonder how their policies around content moderation, which have changed since the takeover of elon musk, have affected disinformation and misinformation on the site. guest: it has been, for a long time, a source of real-time

updates and news for many users who rush to get updates. it is understandable that we are seeing a lot of content from there. but with some of the contributions made by social media users, it is misinformation and unverified information, and that chelation about what has taken place and what might happen -- and speculation about what has taken place and what might happen. in terms of what are the difficulties because of the specific changes and differences in content moderation seem to have a correlation to the information and disinformation on the platform. host: in a now deleted post, elon musk recommended two accounts that were known for spreading this information to his followers. can you talk about elon musk's

individual role in this and what specific policy changes people are pushing for in regards to potentially making this not so bad on the platform? guest: in terms of the role, x is elon musk's company. the changes are referred to earlier focused on content moderation and trust and safety were changed as a result of what happened after the change of ownership. the change in these things made it incredibly harder and more difficult to spot and take down this content or an account that may be spreading misinformation or disinformation. it is important to remember that moderation takes a life people and time, which is exactly why these teams are needed.

another factor to add to this is language plays a big role in content moderation. we need to have the rights, qualified people in place. not just from a technical skills perspective but language skills. a lot of people are looking at content in english, but we are looking at content also in hebrew and arabic. many other organizations are doing the same, so social media platforms need to have these types of expertise under teams as well to be able to look at this content and analyze it. host: let's hear from eight caller on the -- from a caller on the independent line. owen from delaware. caller: i have a comment/question about information. not specifically disinformation. i find a lot of people have an opinion about this hamas

conflict but do not understand the origins or genesis. i was trying to tell someone what it was really about and i used this analogy. let's say you have a homeless person who has no money. i see them and feel for them and want them to do better, so i go rob a bank and take a bunch of money from the bank and give it to them. i say this is for you so you can get your life together and be more prosperous. then the bank comes and says, i want my money back. they go to take the money from the homeless person. they did not go after me who took the money. host: do you have a question? caller: i think it is more that people need to understand how this happened, more than why it is happening. because if they understand how it happened, they can really understand why it happened.

so what can be done? host: why don't you talk to the point about people looking for information about the origin of this conflict. guest: that is a good question. in terms of the specific escalation, i think owen was right on the money. or is a lot of information out there. that is caused by the confusion of how things happen. the nature of the hamas attack and the amount of confusion that was caused after, as everyone involved and not involved where trying to understand what happened, how it was planned, and what exactly because the attack because a law of speculation from average individuals on social media who have nothing to do with this. that is part of the danger of

the spread of misinformation and disinformation. the beauty of the internet and social media is anyone can use it and participate in the conversation. at the same time, that becomes the danger. there is a lot of trusted sources of information to get information about the development. there are trusted you asked news outlets and verification working on providing that information -- there are trusted news outlets and verification working on providing this information. if you don't know where someone gets information, it is probably not the right source of information. host: bill from pennsylvania on the democratic line. caller: thank you for taking my call. all i have to say is with the propaganda of everyone saying there were decapitated babies, it is halloween and there is more gore on tv than there has

ever been in any other. people can say, if it is a fact and they show it, then it is a fact. it cannot be propaganda. as everyone will say it happened and never show it, it cannot be propaganda. host: can you talk about these videos? many are quite graphic circulating, especially around the topic of children. guest: there has been a number of footage showed extreme violence toward children and adults. this footage is gruesome to watch and for any media institution to present to this -- to their followers is the main of the cult he of verifying if this information is true, -- main difficulty of verifying is this information screw is because no one can tell what is

actually happening on the ground. but given the misinformation, there has been a lot placed on insuring this content is factual, correct, authentic, and where it came from, and if it is from a pre-this conflict and happens in the course of the past week, where events have continued to develop. a loss of these videos have been debunked to be from previous conflict iterations or a videogame or other completely unrelated events. any media outlet broadcasting the footage you would want to check to come from a place, but also be careful to not show such gruesome footage. host: mimi from new york on the independent line. caller: good morning.

i am a longtime listener here. i wonder if the guest can help us why it is that so many gaza-based news organizations have been taken down by meta. host: first, is that true? guest: i would need to look more into the details. what we know right now is a social media companies have rushed to moderate the large amounts of contents on the platform. there are palestinian groups that have been taken down since this happened. i think that is partially because of the confusion of people trying to decipher which content is hamas propaganda and which content is just coming from palestinians talking about the situation. some of the content ends up

getting taken down by social media platforms. host: how do the social media platforms thread the needle or walk the line of trying to decide what is political speech by interested parties, versus what is dangerous propaganda or violent content? guest: very good question. i think we will all be about to witness that. there are parts of the world that show is how social media companies should react to this type of thing, that there is a role moments of decision-making. each single one of those platforms have policies in place. all of them with regards to what you think about any particular platform, there are some that do not allow distribution of violence and extreme content and do not want their platform is used for the spread of such content.

in terms of how they would react, and what they will do about it, it remains to be in. but there are rules in place. host: i am just looking at some of meta's policies that they posted on their website, saying that in the three days following october 7, with the conflict kicked off, they removed or marked as disturbing more than 795,000 pieces of constant for violating their policies in hebrew and arabic. it later says hamas is dictated by the u.s. government as a foreign terrorist organization and special global terrorism organization and they are banned from their platform and they removed praise and substantive reports when they become aware of it, while continuing to allow social and political discourse. let's get back to some callers

with marvin from iowa on the democratic line. caller: good morning. i want to thank the young lady that is trying to explain what social media does and how this affects us. if we just look at it, it is a puzzle. the puzzle is that now everyone has cameras and a way to show footage to everyone across the world. even if we take time to decide if it is bad or good, this is a very, very bad problem which has also escalated and fueled the hamas-israel situation. it is not war when you come in and kill babies and taken vantage of elderly. that is not war, that is not humane, that is not human. for that purpose alone, we look at this situation and say, maybe they can take time out to try to correct these mistakes and make

them happen even less. we have been through this in my lifetime three times already. of course, we understand the bible says we would not be here if jerusalem and the jews were not here. and i understand the palestinian situation. but listen, we have to find common ground here. if social media can help us get there, let's get there together. host: marvin makes an interesting point about social media having the potential to help people find common ground. but it seems that what we have seen thus far is the exact opposite. guest: thank you, marvin, for that. i appreciate it. right now, social media has become a public square for people from all around the world. it is only understandable that people want to participate in

these types of conversations online, whether you see online sometimes that conversations are happening or they are happening in your neighborhood and people participate really passionately. it is only understandable that people want to participate in the world. but it is a problem when people are not informed or must -- informed enough about the topic or not getting the right information. it is important. another thing i have been saying a lot the past few days is in this particular conflict, it is very, very important to remember this has been long term. the escalations, of course, have their own nuances. and there is going to be further development that we are seeing happening. this has been a long-term

conflict that has a lot of complexities. before people participate in the conversation, it is helpful to be aware of all the nuance is. host: on the republican line. caller: good morning. once this recent war just started, the news when it came on just felt so like the media -- it feels so consistent and homogeneous that war is terrible. brown university did a cost of war study. they came up with 930,000 direct deaths from the u.s.'s war on terror and like 4.5 million deaths caused indirectly. it just feels so propagandish

what we hear on the news. have to wars have, what we have been told, turned out to not be true. i know the dead babies is another level of grossness, but i just feel so propagandized. homogeneous-ness between news outlets that all support one slide -- one side. it is like one side and not the other. like in ukraine, they are covering western ukraine, but nobody is covering eastern ukraine. when people post things on social media, a lot of times, they are being quieted or shadow

banned. what do you think about trust in the media and social media? and also, have you ever heard of the smith act? host: let's allow dina sadek to mainly get to the social media trust question. guest: that is a good question in terms of trust in social media. i trust it just as much is each individual account because social media is all of us. any of us could go post anything right now about an event. in terms of media, just like any average individual, i check whichever news media outlets that i find to be more trustworthy. i see if they have more robust fact checking verification

numbers. i try to place my trust in those outlets and i go to the regularly. but, also, because of how polarized we have become in general toward media, i try to divert my sources of information and read other news outlets in order to see what is also out there, and not be only focused on a few selected media outlets. social media, when you go to it, you have to look at accounts you trust similarly. if you are just going to accounts -- door neighbor may be very nice, but if they know nothing about the conflict and are posting about it, they remain opinions or things they may have found from unverified sources. trust is specific to individual entities and not specific platforms. host: some of these examples are really shocking of the

misinformation, including some on the platform x, where you have the verification batch. i am looking at one from an account with a verification ba dge but it is what of the examples you cited in your report of a video that is not real and comes from a videogame. now, you have context added by readers saying the footage is not real and is from a videogame. how can people sort of figure out what social media sources to trust when you have things like verification that can be very confusing? guest: sometimes you can tell right away when you are looking at first glance. you see something very horrific is happening and this fire is

here and you have no reason to doubt this. and you want to trust the footage in front of you. but you do have to go to a specific account and see if the person has a track record of spreading misinformation and disinformation. the issue of verification -- of verified accounts is not unique to this particular topic we are talking about. in our lab, we tracked this type of thing across the world. we have found over and over networks that engage in a coordination online . onx,'s --n x some spread online. and a lot, because they have verification, some people may trust them more. i know i'd do not.

this has led to a few other things. one of the things we covered in our research and education landscape is how social media accounts take advantage of this by impersonating others. in the case of one individual who has impersonated a bbc journalist and gained a lot of followers while doing so. now they are banned by meta. another account posted a journalism post on x and were able to spread a lot of misinformation, including what they set about prime minister netanyahu being hospitalized. so there is stuff coming from unverified accounts or accounts impersonating other individuals or other entities which are also

part of the problem. host: john in colorado on the independent line. caller: good morning. i want to offer my condolences to anyone who has lost people in this conflict. it is really horrible, brutal, and untenable. i want to say really quickly that, you want to believe what you want to believe. find a trusted source. if they are gullible, they will end up drinking the kool-aid with jim jones. this palestinian conflict with israel -- i just wanted to say they are not fitting in the positive help desk are not getting any real positive -- they are not getting any real

positive help. they need to push hamas out. it is like an independent voter with a silent majority. we show up at polls. the palestinian population needs to do the same thing and push hamas out. if iran with this, if they will do anything positive to support them, they would be helping them and not hurting them by allowing this to happen. host: nixon in fort lauderdale, florida on the democratic line. caller: good morning, c-span. most people get their news from social media because the regular news station they think are biased. if they see scenes -- if they see things on social media, nine times out of 10, they will believe it because that is where

they get their news. in your research, when you come across a site that is, let's say from a palestinian place, that is not trustworthy, how do you go about verifying if the person is telling the truth or if they are doing propaganda? guest: thank you for that question. in terms of how we go about verifying accounts and independent information, we look at the behavior of the account and what other posts they have. we do try to verify who the person is and what are their credentials to be posting about that kind of thing. whether it is someone on x or meta, the main thing that will make them seek information is

their credentials and what they are known for. we try to understand who the person or entity is and where they are getting their information from. if there happens to be trends of sharing information that is unverified or that has been proven to be falls that remains in their accounts that seems to be a trusted social media account. we also see action -- we also try to see the interaction between them and other users or other social media accounts that they get research from or comments on. sometimes that is how we end up exposing that. we see the interactions between each other's posts. most importantly, you have to think, where are they getting their information from because everyone is getting it from somewhere.

if the person is getting the information from their role life, there will be more evidence throughout their account for their behavior. if they are just repeating their behavior, this will also be evidence. host: we have a question from robert douglas on x who asked, isn't information suppression another form of disinformation, or would that fall under the purview of misinformation. how much do we still not know about what goes on in conflicts such as the ukraine war and the israel-hamas war. i am guessing they are talking about social media companies and what they will or will not allow. guest: that is an interesting question. right now, it is still too early to study the patterns of content

removal to speak to any manner. i will hold off on any comment of what is possible that might be happening. but they have to not allow the spread of certain narratives on the platform. it can lead to tipping the scale in some ways. but it is early to judge. let's see what is being taken down. and we will be able to determine whether suppression is happening or not. host: this is an article from a year ago referencing one of the last wars in gaza. this is a story from the washington post where an outside audit said facebook restricted more palestinian posts during the gaza war then it did on the other side. at -- it was a commissioned

audit during the two-week war between israel and palestine. they were publishing arabic speaking users more heavily than hebrew speaking ones. this is from a year ago, not related to the current conflict. i wonder how information like this might factor into how much people are willing trust the platform now. guest: it factors in very heavily. this exact message is something i alluded to earlier. that it had happened before and is probably the reason why people are scared of what is the type of content moderation that might happen this time around. this factors into this the language part, heavily.

because arabic users definitely saw a lot more of the content taken down. this applies to websites saying about the content moderation teams. they need to have the right technical skill to take down content, but also, some need to have language skills, in order to filter content. i think this still has the potential of being -- of changing the conversation when you do not have all the perspective. it is understandable to remove all content that includes extreme and graphic violence. and content that is absolute terrorist organization propaganda. but removing content of people talking about the situation where they are at might be worse -- to be more suppression. host: chris on the republican

line. caller: i am very impressed with the brain map i can draw based on the comments so far. my opinions i have are based on my technical skills in management information systems. my account is wsuchris on instagram and it was banned on instagram. my question is on the term "mal information." guest: yes, misinformation, disinformation and mal information is all different. that is just information that is corrupt. i understand users worrying from it. to understand what is intentional as far as it

confuses users because they don't know how to walk -- how to get through it. host: can you walk me through the differences of those terms? and what tips do you have for people to avoid it online? guest: this information is information that is untrue and is spread unintentionally. think of it as playing a game of telephone. you are just passing on information and may have missed something or added something. or maybe a video comes along that already has untrue information. it causes harm but is unintentional. this information is the opposite. whether i know or do not know, i am just spreading content around that is false. it is false and i know it can cause harm.

i know it is unverified but i am still distributing it around a matter what -- around no matter what. mal information is what is incomplete or has been corrected . that is hard when you do not have the full picture of events. your mind can run wild with all this different ideas of what might be the case. or you start filling the gap with other things that might not be the reality. all these terms are very similar. it really depends on the audience's perception and what they decide to do with the information. host: diane in mansfield, ohio on the independent line. caller: good morning. i am jewish. i am from a very small town. i just wanted to speak to some things that people have been saying. one is the dangers of misinformation is that people

start demonizing jewish people around the world. this leads to serious fear and violence within my community. we have armed guards around our temples and synagogues. i keep hearing the media is biased because it does not show two sides. there are not two sides. i don't care what the hamas thought. i did not care -- i do not care what adolf hitler thought. and i am wondering about why we have so many middle eastern experts. i wonder why they have not all been fixed right now since there are so many experts. i cannot imagine our country is jim jordan becomes speaker of the house. host: any response to any of these points? guest: as we mentioned, this information spread alongside posts containing violent rhetoric that is encouraging further bloodshed by hamas and

colin for collective punishment against palestinians. war is never good. conflict is never easy and straightforward, as a simple two sides. but what we are seeing in term of content is there is misinformation and disinformation from all parties at the moment. host: the last call is from sheila in massachusetts on the republican line. caller: thank you for taking my call. i am sorry you will not have too much time for this. but i would like to know, what and twins artificial intelligence has -- what influence artificial intelligence has on content removal? host: that is an really interesting point and i would like to know on generating misinformation and disinformation on its role in

content moderation. guest: i do not have data on this and have not done research in this area on how ai is being used to fuel such content. but i will look into that and discuss with my calling -- with my colleagues. host: thank you. dina sadek from the atlantic council's digital forensic research lab. thank you very much. in around 30 minutes, in our spotlight on podcasts, we will hear from citizen -- from citizen journalists and self-described taxpayer jennifer briney who will describe her podcast "conessional dish." you can start calling in now about the israel-hamas conflict. (202) 748-8001 for republicans.

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lost, including at least 27 americans. these guys make al qaeda look sore. the are pure evil. the united states stands with israel. [applause] secretary of state antony blinken was in israel yesterday and secretary often is there today. we are making sure they have what they need to respond to these attacks. it is important for me to urgently address the communitarian crisis in gaza. we are working in the region, including communicating with the governments of israel, egypt, jordan and you and to serve support for the humanitarian consequences for hamas. we cannot lose sight of the fact that the overwhelming majority of palestinians i've nothing to do with hamas -- of palestinians

had nothing to do with hamas and are suffering as well. this morning, i spoke with all the americans's families of those who are still unaccounted for. they are going through agony, not knowing what the status of their sons, husbands, or children's lives are. we are doing everything possible to return every american to their families. we are working around the clock to secure them. americans filled by hamas, with close partners and allies around the region. host: we are also following the latest in the house speaker battle on capitol hill. yesterday, tim burchett spoke to reporters right after a secret

ballot vote. here is this exchange. [video clip] >> now, there will be other republicans starting to hit the fork in the road. do you know how far away jim jordan is? >> i do not. >> do you think they will let this play out? >> i do. i think he is. i think when people get home, grassroots, they will realize there is no one stronger. host: tom in illinois on the republican line. caller: thank you for letting me give my opinion. my opinion -- a lot of times you have to look at the platform of the people you vote for and how you want your government to exist. the palestinians voted for hamas

to run their government. which was just like in our country, we voted the democrats in. there should be more penalties for lives. there is no penalties anymore for lying because lies persuade people to do things they should not do. most of the people of the united states now are bought in votes. we get so much revenue from the government that -- when i go to vote for president this next time, i will probably get a $600 check in the mail. you have to look at what the hamas platform is because this is the same deal with the republican and democratic party. have a platform and tell you what they will do. they told us for the last 20 years that they want to push

israel into the sea. no amount of money that we pay them. we paid millions of dollars and the israeli people took all their people off the land of hase -- land of gaza where they have made it into a fruitful place. they got rid of their prime minister when they did that and voted him out, because the people were so angry that they lost all the stuff they put in there and put the palestinians in their. the israelis have bent over backwards to try to have peace with these people. they have not changed their platform. they want to push them into the sea. host: henry in desoto, texas on the democratic line. caller: on thursday, i happened

to be watching washington journal and asked the question, who would you support as speaker? jim jordan or steve scalise. there was an individual that called in and voiced support for jim jordan. they also made remarks concerning steve scalise and him wearing a mask. it is to my understanding that steve scalise has blood cancer. two wear a mask, for him, he probably saw it as a way to keep himself from catching a cold or the flu. maybe not necessarily covid. i got from that caller that he saw steve scalise wearing a mask as some type of thing he did not see necessary. i think this house speaker race

as an! -- race adds an exclamation point on the fact leadership is out of hand. we need to get people into office that is more about helping folks than just trying to score political votes. him wearing a mask is just simple to protect his health. it is just common sense. host: thank you, henry. let's go to james in lancaster, texas on the independent line. caller: hello and thank you for taking my call. a quick, brief comment about the

battle we are having in our country of america with the house and to what is going on in the middle east. what we are seeing, in my opinion, is the wrath of god being dealt on both nations with america, america has always done the same thing we are seeing done in israel, from the inception of america. we were seeing terrorist activity that was there when the europeans came to america. we have chaos in our government which filters out to the people that create the laws that regular citizens are supposed to abide by. we are seeing the same thing happening over and over in the middle where things are being felt over there. i think we need to get back to our understanding of who god is.

but we have left god and be played by the same corruption americans have set up. people get promoted with the same corruption. this is what we are seeing in my opinion. these are lawmakers are supposed to be filling the american government that are making up roles and laws. they are not going to do anything they do not benefit from. there should be things set in place where there are term limits on anyone in our government. host: david in texas on the republican line. caller: thank you. i would like to first characterize and say this is not my opinion and is not misinformation. all this hoohah over the $6

million and whether this has an effect over the current situation is small change. you have to look at the numbers. host: what $6 billion are you referencing? caller: the $6 billion that were in the process of being released to iran for the hostage deal from three or four weeks ago. host: go ahead. caller: that is a distraction. that is not the money funding this. it will help but it is not funding this. at the time joe biden came into office, donald trump have maximum pressure put on the iranian government through sanctions enforcement. keeping iran out of the dollar system so they cannot sell their oil. oil production has gone down from 5 million barrels a day to 400,000. under joe biden, iran has gone

up 50%. that is their overall economy. that is not even taking into account last year. under joe biden, their oil exports are up to 3.5 million barrels a day. that i risoner swap

deal because of what is going on right now. this comes after harsh criticism the biden administration gave iran that freed of other funds to provide support t you cut med that does not matter. host: go ahead. i was just following up to give additional context. caller: i heard that and understand that. the biden administration had to be embarrassed to do that. they opted not just freeze it

but give it to israel. that is not my point. my point is the $6 billion did not fund this. the tens and hundreds of billions of dollars that the biden administration did while allowing iran to pump i'll -- two pump oil. they still allow iran to pump oil because that is the only way they have to help keep the oil prices below $100 per barrel and keep the price per gallon low, like they did during the 2022 election their policy concerning fossil fuel, where they made america dependent -- not independent anymore. trump could do anything in the middle east he wanted to do. move the embassy, go into iraq, iran, and the price of oil never went up.

we control the world oil price. our companies can produce more, the price will come down. we were the swing guys in the world global price of oil. we are not that country anymore. host: ok, thank you, david. our next caller from new jersey, democrat line. caller: good morning. i want to keep my comments narrow, about the israeli-hamas conflict. first of all, it is an objective fact that israel was attacked by a brutal terrorist group, hamas. that is not arguable. it is also objective fact that many gazans, citizen gazans, are in harm's way by the retaliatory movement of the israeli government, which seems to be

justified in response to the attack, but it is not justified to kill innocent people, even though they are, even though hamas does embed themselves and create tremendous logistical problems, being able to respond -- what they are potentially doing is, to many, criminal. host: zach in baltimore, maryland, independent line. caller: hi, good morning. an earlier caller during the previous segment said something about there not being two sides to the conflict -- i agree with them. there are three. there is the right wing terror organization, hamas, the right wing apartheid state of israel, and the ordinary people stuck in the middle of those two, in gaza and israel, being brutalized by either side.

hamas committed a terrorist attack, it was very bad and they shouldn't have done that. a lot of people died and that was very sad. but he is weaponizing that to collectively punish the 2 million people in gaza. that's criminal, despicable, and really disheartening to see my government support it so wholeheartedly. i know they have recently come out and said, they should be a little more careful about not killing civilians, but collectively punishing them by turning off water, electricity, food -- that is one thing. having them evacuate to the south of gaza, one million people -- it's really sickening to hear my government support what is happening there and the collective punishment of the gaza people. i don't know. i hope other people can see that as well. host: yes. there is the news, as michael was just referencing, israel ordered one million

gazans to leave gaza. this move may prove calamitous, and that fuel, food and medicine in the territory are already running out as people try to evacuate from the northern to the southern part of gaza. let's go to wayne in south lebanon, ohio on the republican line. caller: good morning. i got a little bit to say about this. i've noticed that the republicans and democrats in this country is fighting each other, just like they didn't civil war times. -- did in civil war times. they are fighting against themselves plus against each other.

they are coming to a -- they are not coming to a decision, like men, the same thing they are doing in the united states. they are killing people by letting doctors act above the law and doing nothing about it. on top of that, not helping to the people themselves, help them straighten out. we ought to start talking to each other, then the country wouldn't be headed the way it's going. host: dave in florida on the democratic line. go ahead. caller: hi. i have to hand it to you for keeping a straight face when many right-wing crackpots call in, like the oil expert a few

minutes ago. if you let people like him get in power, what's going to happen? we are going to invade china and iran? before trump welch on -- welched on the iran nuclear deal, that might've been possible, but they are getting close to a nuclear bomb, so all bets are off on that. host: we want to hear from everyone. go ahead, though. caller: you stare into it the camera like the sphinx while they compare voting for democrats like voting for hamas -- you are just encouraging them. the gazans are trapped in the world's largest concentration camp, which is what gaza is, for decades, and jews also lived there peacefully for thousands of years with christians and muslims until israel came along.

it is populated by people from eastern europe, poland, russia, germany, people who came over from brooklyn. have you ever wondered why the people who they interview in the idf sound like they are from new jersey? the so-called ethnic jewish state could not exist to ignore international law for 56 years and continue the apartheid occupation of westbank and the blockade of gaza -- it looks like the only time a civilian death matters for a u.s. politician or in the media is if it is in her -- if it is an israeli. the palestinian debts have been glossed over or outright ignored by u.s. politicians. nick make no mistake -- it is legal

first civilian -- it is not legal to maintain a legal and military blockade, cut the electricity to the entire population, engage in collective punishments and conduct arbitrary airstrikes on the most densely populated center on earth. host: ok. mark in grattan, massachusetts on the independent line. caller: well, good morning. i guess dave had something to say there. i just wanted to start off by welcoming you, kimberly. you are doing a fantastic job. host: thank you. caller: thank you for joining c-span. it is great to have you. the first reason i am calling was because of the unusual

number of callers earlier today using openly racist words and themes, saying things like black people hate white people and stuff -- i just wanted to tell the staff there, it's great we don't see the host pushing buttons and changing calls and stuff, that you guys are doing it another way, electronically. you are doing a great job there on c-span. the other reason i wanted to call in, as a born-again christian, independent voter, living here in massachusetts, i want to tell my christian brothers and sisters that the republican party does not represent or hold to christian values. the bible tells us to welcome the foreigner in your land and

in the old testament, the new testament, jesus said you gave me a cup of water when i was thirsty, you visited me in prison. the central american refugees have been oppressed by the united states policy and pro-business intervention throughout the whole of the 20th century. continuing now. so the undocumented immigrants at our borders, we christians should be welcoming, they are here to do jobs. host: i want to take it back to our topics today, on the israel-hamas war and on the speaker issue. do you think that is playing into the speaker issue? caller: i do think this racist attitude may be, may have been increased because of the

israeli-hamas war and stuff. if you want my comment on that -- i fear jim jordan being elected to the house speakership , because he's, you know, very, very divisive. i -- he can't really speak the truth, but that is true about all of our politicians. host: let's go to a piece of tape here. republican presidential nikki -- candidate nikki haley was asked about this at an event in new hampshire yesterday. here is that exchange. [video clip] >> when you look at the chaos in congress right now, the inability to elect a speaker at a time of crisis, when urgent action from congress would be needed, how would you bring unity to the republican party from the oval office, and are you worried that this action from the gop might have

consequences for republicans in 2024? >> when i was in a -- when i was governor, and we had or a republican senate and house in the state, i would bring them in and they would but heads. what i will remind my fellow republicans is, you don't fix democrat chaos with republican chaos. get it together. get us a leader. if you look at what is happening in congress, they have one job, and that is to get us a budget. they have only given a budget on time four times in 43 years. we have not seen action from congress on the border, the budget, bringing down debt, trying to make sure we get legal immigration, or dealing with all these other issues. when america is distracted, the world is less safe. we are seeing that play out. get it together. it's not about you, it's about

the american people, and the american people are done with this. they need to get in a room and not leave until they figure this out. host: presidential candidate nikki haley in new hampshire. we will have other candidates at that same event in new hampshire, 20 24 republican presidential hopefuls mike pence and tim scott will speak at the national leadership summit, held in new hampshire. the coverage will begin at00 a.m. on c-span, c-span now, our free mobile video app and online at c-span.org. back to a couple more of your calls. jerry in stuart draft, virginia, on the republican line. caller: hi, julie. man. it will be hard, but i want to say, sorry for the attack on you

for looking like a sphinx. i think the sphinx is beautiful. the war, what is going on over there, i think it's because saudi arabia and israel were starting to become close and we couldn't have that. well, this resident, or this administration couldn't have that. the last five days, there has been so much coverage about what is going on over there -- you don't hear nothing about ukraine, you don't hear nothing about the bidens scandals. you will hear nothing about hunter biden's laptop. as far as steve scalise -- i like steve scully's, i am a republican, but he messed up when he said our number one goal is to fund israel. you mean our country is in decline and your number one goal is to fund another country? we've got to stop this. we got to fix our borders, fix

our country -- i don't understand this. all this money goes to other countries when our country is in decline. that's all i gotta say. host: mary in philadelphia, democratic line. go ahead. caller: yes, good morning, c-span. you know, i am also concerned about -- we have been funding these countries for decades. israel with hamas, ukraine -- you know, and we have been funding them with no oversight. i'm looking at their prosecutors -- prosecuting netanyahu in israel for fraud. we have been funding ukraine, pachinko was listed on the panama papers for fraud. we are spending money after borrowing money to fund these conflicts in other countries,

and we are looking at our country failing. and for us to continue to do this with no results, people are dying more in israel now and gaza, based on we are providing israel with the iron dome and continue to fund them for several decades. yet they have to rebuild the iron dome. and we have to provide more ammunition and supplies to israel? so, you know, we have to start looking at, we are on basically where we are giving our taxpayer funding -- they don't -- a resolution, because you are looking at we will stop funding them if they resolve this situation. thank you and have a good day. host: joseph in diamond bar,

california, on the republican line. go ahead. caller: oh, hi. host: can you turn down your tv, though? caller: oh, yes. host: go ahead. caller: yeah, on the israeli-come off, -- israeli-hamas conflict, americans need to stand with israel because hamas is an evil terrorist group. their only goal is to kill israelis, civilians and soldiers.it's not right. especially, they started the conflicts last saturday and live in new