wow support c-span is a public service, along with other television providers, giving you a front row seat to democracy. coming up on c-span's "washington journal," a look at this morning's headlines in the election day results, and th the latest on the vement funding deadline in the debate over usaid to israel and ukraine with georgia republican congressmabuy carter. then james antal with the washington examiner previews tonight's their gop presidential debate in miami. ro khanna jos us later to continue the cveation on governnt aid. "washington journal" starts now. ♪ host: good morning, it is wednesday, november 8, 2023. the house returns at 9:00 a.m., which means a two hour

"washington journal" is ahead. we will begin with the decision in ohio to support access in the buckeye state. republicans held their governor seat in mississippi. phone lines are open for your reaction. it is split by political parties. democrats, (202)-748-8000. republicans, (202)-748-8001. independents, (202)-748-8002. you can also send us a text, (202)-748-8003. if you do, include your name and where you are from. you can also catch us on social media, on x, @cspanwj. on facebook, facebook.com/c-span. you can start calling in now. we will take you to the columbus dispatch this morning, this is the lead paragraph. ohioans voted to ensuring access to abortion and other reproductive rights in the state constitution on tuesday, pushing

back against decades of gop restrictions and showing up -- shoring up protections more than a year after the supreme court overturned roe v. wade. that is probably the story getting the most attention after yesterday's state elections. here are headlines around the country, the courier-journal, kentucky governor andy beshear, a democrat in a red state, wins another term. to virginia and richmond times dispatch, governor youngkin comes up short as democrats hold the virginia senate and flipped the state house. and then out of mississippi, the clarion ledger, a mandate for governor tate reeves, if he secures -- as he secures a second term over the democrat in the governor's race. those are some of the election results, the most high-profile ones. we would like to hear from you. go ahead and call and give us your reaction.

what was your takeaways from last night? guest: it was a very good night for democrats. earlier this week, they could have been a lot of handwringing about national polls that show that president biden was in a tough spot in 2024. the white house is happy with these results. in kentucky, a democrat was elected. n ohio, voters chose to ensuring the right of abortion in the constitution. in virginia, the republican governor was hoping to secure trifecta, but failed to flip the state senate, and failed to have the statehouse flipped back against him. host: when you talk about a good night for democrats, returned to election 2024 and whether this means election. what do they usually mean, is

momentum something that can transfer over 12 months? guest: this is something that everyone who is starved for election results tries to examine for hints about 2024. i am of the view that these have limited forecasting ability. one, they reflect idiosyncratic views of the state. in kentucky, my home state, andy beshear is the son of a popular governor himself. that explains some of his popularity there. the other democrats who are running statewide, the treasury secretary general lost by about 20 points, just what you would expect. the turnout in off year elections is different than a presidential year, like 2024. people are going to come out to the polls to either support or

not support joe biden or donald trump. the electoral will be different making the ability for these results to transfer to next year. democrats are going to take the victory when they can. there is some element to momentum, but as far as what it tells us about the presidential year, we are pretty sure it will be a tight election and not an easy one for joe biden. host: what does it mean for how much we will be hearing about the issue of abortion the next 12 months? guest: if there is any lesson to be drawn it is the powerful impact that abortion has on voter decision. in ohio, we saw yet again an example of how red states vote on this issue. they want some access. they do not want a complete ban,

that came after roe v. wade was overturned. in ohio, the margin was 14 percentage points, which was large. in wisconsin, earlier this year, a race about abortion also went by lopsided margins. of the referenda side, these are clear victories for democrats. when it comes to candidates running, we also see this has some potential. even in kentucky, andy beshear attacked his republican opponent for the extremity of criticizing the attorney general for his support of a law that did not allow exceptions for rape and incest, and that was a potent attack line. it is one that you will see democrats pitched forward in the your head. host: when it comes to a more immediate impact on a day where we are set to see that the republican debate in virginia,

there was lots of discussion about glenn youngkin possibly being a late entry into the republican presidential primary. what does this mean for glenn youngkin after losing statehouse and democrats holding the state senate in virginia? what does it mean for his electoral process nationwide? -- prospect nationwide? guest: people have been hoping glenn youngkin would be their hail mary to avoid a trump re-coordination. the governor himself -- re-coronation. the governor himself was focused on the same legislative races and the idea was that if he won, he would have some momentum and be able to somehow spin that into becoming the anti-trump candidate that could make a dent, whereas the fact that he

did not do very well last night means that that fantasy for however long it lasted is now over. and republicans are going to have to pick someone who is already announced. given the current polls, it is probably going to be donald trump. host: adrian's cologne -- idrees kahloon, thank you for the early morning with us. host: if you like to join the discussion after last night's results, we are focused on ohio but also basis in kentucky, virginia -- basis in kentucky, virginia. here are the numbers, democrats, (202)-748-8000. republicans, (202)-748-8001. independents, (202)-748-8002. sharon out of glen oak, maryland, line for democrats. go ahead. caller: good morning. how are you doing?

host: doing well. what are your thoughts? caller: i am glad the democrats did well because for right now, the way things are going with the republicans and donald trump, what they are doing is depressing and frustrating. we don't need all of that. i vote for a person who will represent me and look out for my problems and other things going on and straighten things out. i do not want nobody not acting right because the republicans, all those people need to get out and they need to start over fresh and have people who want to do the right thing for the people they are representing. i do not want that because i have children, generations. we do not need those type of people in office echo. we don't -- in office at all.

we don't. i don't want no crook can get around my house. i would call the police. so many people in office are like crooks. they don't have no respect or anything at all for the people they are supposed to represent. host: sharon, i thought you were done. that was sharon in maryland. this is chuck in west virginia, democrat. caller: good morning. before i get to my comment, are you allowed to say what bill scanlon is doing these days? host: bill is enjoying his retirement. i saw him recently. i will let him know you were asking about him. caller: he was a great host. anyway, it has been 36 days since i last called, by the way. i am not the sort of person to say i told you so, but donald trump's three supreme court appointees kept swelling up and

down about how roe v. wade was law, precedent, blah, blah, blah, and as soon as they had the opportunity to do so, they overturned it. an outlook that what a mess we are in the -- and now look at what a mess we are in now. i have talked to a lot of women out there who say they would never have an abortion themselves, they might even publicly describe themselves as pro-life, but with the overturning of roe v. wade, they are a little bit nervous and discomforted by the fact that suddenly you have women in red states that are losing their self-determination in ways that men simply have no frame of reference for. you do not have women legislating against men's reproductive decisions, do you? and now ohio becomes -- ohio was right next to us, virginia, ohio becomes only the seventh state

that the pro-life people have lost when this issue has been put up for a popular vote. i am just wondering, is this the hill that the republicans want to die on? host: that was chuck. this is bill out of massachusetts, republican line. caller: how are you doing? looks like the democrats have stolen some more elections, huh ? if we are not careful, we will just have democrats only in the house, the senate, the presidency. every state will be all democrats. this is the party that is for unborn babies being killed, one. they are exterminating the jews. this is the party of death. if you don't make that much

money, you will have to be put to death, next. this is america? the land of the brave, the home of the free, the land of the brave? this is the party we are going to vote for? the party of death? bye-bye. host: that is bill. this is carl, independent, south carolina. good morning. caller: good morning. i just had some thought about kentucky's governors resend everything -- race and everything. i think people woke up and realized they love very much there attorney general, but i think they had second thoughts about a black guy and a cartesian lady in the statehouse. i think that is what kept them from putting him there.

if he had married a blackley, i think he would have won -- black lady, i think you would have won. host: why would you think that? next. caller: the last caller, the kentucky election has to do with the issue. it is what makes a difference. if people vote on fear and lies, republicans will always win. but if they vote on issue, i mean, try to help student with student loans, or prescription drugs cheaper for everyone, they will vote against them. what is there that the public has to vote on? [indiscernible] one to them to tell me this is what a republican has done to have me go in line and vote for them. thank you.

host: reaction from president biden yesterday. his tweets saying across the country tonight, democracy won and maga last. voters vote, polls do not, perhaps showing that poll showing him down to president trump in election 2024. vice president harris also take into x yesterday with her thoughts on last night. here is about 30-seconds of what she posted. [video clip] vice president harris: request the country, voters are rejecting extremist plans to ban abortion. it proves that not only is it bad policy but by politics. while democrats won and protected reproductive freedom, we still have a lot of work to do. extremist leaders still want a national abortion ban, so that is why we need you.

and we needed to be involved in our campaign. together, let's make sure voters around the country know what is at stake next year. [end video clip] host: vice president harris on x last night. huffington post, the liberal news website, with this headline this morning, crowing about the wins by democrats last night. buckeye blowout, ohio votes for abortion rights. the sub headline saying win after win for abortion rights. democrats hold virginia and flip the assembly. in pennsylvania, democratic governor wins reelection. in kentucky, again, that is the post.com. if you go to the other side of the political aisle, a sum up of what happened on the conservative news website saying this is what happened last night, the country voted in homeostasis.

the left one is the abortion ballot measure in ohio. no surprise there, they say the governor held the one they were defending, referring to kentucky and mississippi. democrats held the senate in virginia and they look like they will take over the house of delegates. so what happens when one state legislator is bluer in a blue battleground state? in other words, on the x platform, previously known as twitter, this is not a big electoral victory for either side but kind of a draw. do not tell the democrats though. let them think that they won big as it might lull them into a false sense of confidence into 2024, in much the same way that the gop's virginia's win in 2021 different republicans. that is how bright box sums up what happened last night. sam in gadsden, alabama, democrat. caller: yes. i was calling about the ohio

abortion thing. i appreciate you taking my call. like i said before, [indiscernible] constitutional scholars, they give women the right to vote. that was 1920's. 53 years before the abortion decision. abortion should never have been overturned. host: this is bertram, maryland, line for democrats. caller: in morning and thank you for taking my calls. i just wanted to point out to

democrats who won in new york city, one of the young man falsely accused of rape, a member of the central park five, his name is yusuf solane. he was elected and is now a councilperson. this young man was falsely elected, accused of rape, and he served time, he along with other four men, african-american, the case is well known, and president trump took out a full-page ad at that time advocating the death penalty. isn't it ironic that they were proven to be not guilty and look who was on trial now for criminal charges. thank you for taking michael. host: -- thank you for taking my call. host: donald trump was called for his execution, now yusef s

alaam will not be on the new york city council. good morning. caller: i can tell you that what i believe, and why governor beshear won again, he had been a good public servant. when we had disasters in western kentucky, the tornado disasters, governor beshear was there with all the help that those people needed. when we had a flood in eastern kentucky, governor beshear was there with all the help he could muster for those people. he is a good public servant. he is not a democrat. he is a party of a democrat, and he has had values. -- and he has democrat values, but he is representing the people of kentucky. that is why i believe he got elected again. he is just a good public

servant. host: that was eric and kentucky. this is john in virginia, republican. what is your read on what happened last night in the common law? caller: uh, i would say that people love their voices. it is a sad day for me as a republican, but it is also sad day for me because i am a christian. as a christian, i believe jesus is the son of god, he died on the cross to pay our sins back. the bible tells us that that is the only way that we get in heaven. i am sad, not only because of the unborn, but i am sad for all the people who may not make it into heaven. because it is hard for me to believe that you can believe in jesus and abortion. so, i mean, that is all i have got to say.

host: that is johnin virginia. in delaware, margie, my free democrats. caller: good morning -- line for democrats. caller: good morning. all these people are really annoying me. i do not know it is going on, but it seems to me the evangelicals are now the new pope. remember when john kennedy was running? oh, he is going to take all this from the pope. the pope is going to rule the country. and what are they doing? evangelicals are doing the same thing. another thing, how come men -- i don't hear one religious leader say anything about that. that is preventing life. but they have the nerve to tell women? please. thank you, john. have a good day. host: in new jersey, independent, this is john.

caller: hello. host: go ahead. caller: i can hear you. host: go ahead with your comment. caller: my comment, i am saying on the abortion, i don't really believe in it, but has anybody mentioned the dollar and cents value? amazon loves it because you don't work on friday, you don't have to pay child care support and the government does not have to pay welfare. who's going to pay younger people social security when nobody's around to work because you have no population? china is having that problem now. we are trying have three babies per family now instead of one. i just saying. i wish them the best of luck. when you look at it moneywise, you have a different angle. that is all i can say. to me as a taxpayer, if i don't have to pay money into the welfare system, that is great for me. host: this is lisa in kentucky, independent. what is your read on why

governor beshear was reelected? caller: i think we are coming together. i think the coronavirus, when we had that virus, i think i see the true andy. host: what did you see in work during the code pandemic? -- covid pandemic? caller: i see that he stood up, he was trying to build people spirits up. i believe that helped a lot. host: would you say it is more about the person who was reelected and not the party, the democratic party on the rise in kentucky? or do you think it is a bit of both? caller: i think he is really for the people. host: that was lisa in the bluegrass state. lake city, tennessee, anne, republican, good morning.

caller: in the last two elections, the democrats have said abortion is there one great hope. the crowing about winning again on abortion. i do not understand it. i don't see any difference in democrats and hamas. just a difference in their method. host: in tennessee, donnie in st. louis, democrat. good morning. caller: i am calling about the abortions. i believe in pro-choice. i think that women have a right to be protected under the abortion law because of medical reasons, and i am like a lady before, why aren't men held accountable, too? they can get vasectomies. they don't have the police chasing them like they did when they wanted to say we could not have abortions, and they wanted

to send them all after us. why don't men, why isn't men held accountable as well as women? and abortion is not just to get rid of a baby. sometimes it is a medical reason to save the woman. so that is what i feel, and thank you for your time. host: that is donnie in st. louis, missouri. taking your phone calls and getting your reaction to yesterday's state election results. a good night for democrats on the national level. coming just days after headlines like this, shocked trump-biden pole unnerves democrats, recent polling showing joe biden down even more than expected tell donald trump in some national polls one year out from election day. it was yesterday at the white house that the white house secretary talked about those polling numbers and responded to some of those headlines from the

press podium. this is what she had to say. [video clip] >> we have to really take these polls with a grain of salt, as we should be mindful here, and one of the reasons why is one year ago, back in 2022, there was the red race that never materialized. in october of 2022, there were multiple stories about how there was going to be a red wave. democrats are going to be wiped out. we are not talking about that. what we were seen in october 2022. in 2011, this time in 2011, we saw senator romney beating president obama. that is where those polls were. our focus, obviously, is doing what the president was elected to do, focusing on delivering for the american people. there are going to be a lot of polls.

now until the next couple of months, they are going to be dozens and dozens of them. it is not my job or my job from here to look at these polls. folks on tv will be doing that. it is a whole industry out there when it comes to polling. just to not get into it. obviously, we see the reporting like you all. [end video clip] host: that was the white house press secretary yesterday. in this shortened first segment of the "washington journal," it is time to get your reaction on yesterday's results. we will have more on this topic so you can call him refugees to do so. phone lines for democrats and independent and republicans. go ahead. caller: thank you for taking my call. we have a great country. country grade from the beginning, given to us by god --

a country great from the beginning, given to us by god. god has been moving us in that. i suggest we look at each other individually. we have good people and bad people on both sides of the aisle. i think if we get away from incriminating each other and speaking in general to parties, i am a democrat, but i do not believe in abortion. i think some things we have to leave to our conscious. people are getting so much into this abortion thing, and sometimes women do have to get care along that line from doctors because it is going to impede on their health. i am hearing cases where women almost get to the point of death

before they can get help from a doctor. i don't believe that should be the case, you know. but, again, i do not believe in abortion in general, but i think it should be up to the individual woman. we just need to stop pointing fingers and get along and work with each other. we have great people on both sides of the aisle. that has always been the case from the beginning of this country. we just got to learn to work together. host: that is bill in maryland, democrat. here's a comment from social media. joyce on facebook saying america is showing the the gop they made horrible calculations, and unless they turn thgs around, the republican ptys going to go down in flames. th i reel news on twitter,

take the power ay om the federal government as the founding fathers intended, not sure why the democrats are acting like they won, this is a win for republicans in ohioo focus now on real issues. one re, what people do not understand, it is obvious, even women in read states want control over their own bodies. -- in red states want control over their own bodies. this is the line for democrats in michigan, how are you, randy? caller: good. i would like to start with thanking you along with all the other men and women to bring us this program. you are a great service. i believe it is another example of the silent majority that really believe in democracy coming out and speaking. that does not mean we are all going to agree on the same policies. we have already heard that today. how some people feel about abortion, but still believe it is a woman's right. that has never changed and will

not change. but it is the silent majority. we hear a lot of the negative out there all the time, but when it comes to voting, that group seems to come out and speak the loudest. thank you. i appreciate the time. host: that is randy in michigan. our last caller in this first segment of the "washington journal." we are going to change it up to open form to any public policy you would like to talk about, including last night's state elections. the phone lines, (202)-748-8000 for democrats. republicans, (202)-748-8001. independents, (202)-748-8002. we will take your calls and hear from a couple of members of congress as they get ready to begin their day a bit earlier this morning. start calling in now, and we will be right back. ♪ >> monday, watching c-span's

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to a companion podcast, where you can learn more about the authors of the book featured. >> "washington journal" continues. host: back now with our open forum on the "washington journal ." any public policy issue, state or political issue you would like to talk about, phone lines are yours. (202)-748-8000, democrats. (202)-748-8001, republicans. independents, (202)-748-8002. you talked about those state results last night for election 2023. that was going on in several states around the country yesterday. here are some of what was going on yesterday evening in capitol hill, the headline from today's washington post, the house voted to censure her she d to lead over her war comments -- punishing only palestinian woman over her comments to the

war in israel and gaza. the house passed a censure resolution. congressman richard mccormick, who accused the congresswoman of promoting false narratives regarding the hamas attack on israel and october and for calling for destruction of israel, 22 democrats voted for censure and four republicans voted against it. you could have watched it yesterday on c-span, live. here is some of what the congresswoman had to say on the floor of the house yesterday before that vote. [video clip] >> let me be clear, my criticism has always been of the israeli government and netanyahu action. it is important to separate. the idea that criticizing the government of israel as anti-semitic sets a dangerous precedent and it is used to silence diverse voices across

our nation. do you realize what it is like for the people outside the chamber right now listening in agony to their own government dehumanizing them? to hear the president of the united states dispute death tolls as we see video after video of dead children and parents under rubble? mr. chair, do you know what it is like to know how islamophobia and antisemitism makes us all less safe and worry that your own child might suffer the horrors that the six-year-old did in illinois? i cannot believe i have to say this, but palestinian people are not disposable. we are human beings. just like anyone else. my grandmother, like all

palestinians, just wants to live her life with freedom and human dignity that we all deserve. speaking up to save lives, mr. chair, no matter faith, ethnicity, should not be controversial in this chamber. the cries of the palestinian and israeli children sound no difference to me. what? i do not understand why do palestinian cries sound different to you all? [end video clip] host: that was congresswoman rashida tlaib on the floor of the house. also, the washington post notes how johnson marked the one-month anniversary of the attack by bringing some of the jewish hostages to capitol hill to increase pressures to pass the war aid bill. speaker johnson and several of

his colleagues standing with some of those family members. here is a little bit from that press conference that they held yesterday featuring one of those family members. [video clip] >> we are pleading the world to help us. we have no clue what happened to them. we only know that they are in gaza. we do not know if they are injured or if they are still alive. for 31 days, a whole month, my community was butchered. we have been to more funerals in a week than i have been in my entire life. 10 days after october 7, the military came to us and told us both of them are kidnapped. it has been too long for us to

not know anything. to not hear anything. the western world has not heard anything from hamas to act like isis -- who acts like isis. thank you for having this year and giving us the voice to speak to you, the american people, the congress. it is appreciated. we need action now. [end video clip] host: that was yesterday from capitol hill. it is our open forum this morning. phone lines for democrats, republicans and independentss. will out of baltimore, line for democrats, go ahead. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. representative tlaib, the palestinian-american, has every right to speak out against apartheid that the israeli

government is inflicting upon the palestinian people. anyone who does their research of the establishment of the nation of israel will find that history is not on the side of israel. former prime minister and the defense minister resigned as terrorists who bombed a hotel in 1946, and these were the type of terrorist acts that helped lead to driving the palestinians off the palestinian lines. to the palestinian people, do not give up the fight. host: this is teresa in north carolina, republican. good morning. caller: good morning. i just want to say about abortion, i am against it. but, why did they not birth control these people?

these teenagers, keep their legs together. i have raised three, i am 68 years old, and i raised them by myself, and i got help from nobody. there are so many people out there, women that cannot have children, that can love and adore them. in fact, i am raising two of my grandchildren right now. it can be done. host: teresa in north carolina. this is jorge, albuquerque, independent. caller: good morning. i was calling because i wanted to address the drought in the southwest. i actually wrote a letter to the governors of california and nevada, arizona, utah, colorado and new mexico. it is about a proposal, if i could read it real quick, please. host: don't give me the whole

letter, what is the juist? -- jist? caller: pumping water from lake, to lake mead, to lake powell to the rio grande. host: have you gotten any response? caller: it is solar and wind powered. not yet. i just wrote it and sent it out, so i am working with the solar in the wind. host: that is jorge in albuquerque. we will be an open forum until the house at 9:00 a.m. eastern. they are in a little bit earlier than usual. phone lines for democrats, republicans and independents, as usual, as we take your phone calls. we are going to turn to buddy carter, republican of georgia, joining us via zoom. good morning, congressman. let's talk about the budget and

government funding. we are less than 10 days from that november 17 government funding deadline. are you expecting another one of these shutdown showdowns or is there a way to avoid it? guest: there is a way to avoid it. we are discussing that now. there is really two proposals. one is referred to as a lap. we have already passed seven appropriation bills, so why can't we go ahead and negotiate with the senate and get some of these bills passed and then have a continual solution for everything else? -- continual resolution for everything else? you can extend it for the bills we have not had a chance to pass yet and we have not had a chance to work with the senate and compromise. go ahead and have those take effect that we have already passed, but have a cr for everything else. that is one proposal. the other is a clean cr to get

us through whether it be december 15 or january, sometime in january. there has been discussion about january 22. there has even been discussion going as far as april 15. we will see, but i am confident that everybody wants to avoid a shutdown. a shutdown is not good. we all understand that. let's keep in mind, a shutdown is not the worst that could happen. the worst that could happen would be for us to continue the reckless spending of the federal government that has led to us being almost $34 trillion in debt, spending more on the interest on our debt than defense, which is the number one responsibility of our government to protect our citizens. that is an excusable -- inexcusable. host: a cr is short for continual resolution. that is what got us to the october 17 deadline.

you described a couple of options, at what point is the republican conference saying which option you going to back? guest: next week. we are going to have to make that decision next week. obviously, the 17 is friday, and we have got to have something done by then. otherwise, the government shuts down. nobody wants that, that is not a good situation. but that is what we are faced with right now. i am very confident that we will get something done that will carry us through to allow us the time that we need to finish these appropriation bills. i verya proud ofm what we have done thus far -- i am very proud of what we have done thus far. hopefully we will get back to it today. hopefully we will get financial services done. if we can get those two done, then we have nine out of 12 public bills done in the house.

over 83% of the discretionary spending will have been taken care of. that is pretty good. it is not 100%, but it is close. host: why did transportation and housing meant urban development get -- and urban develop and get pulled last night? guest: we are under regular order now, so we are allowing admittance to be offered -- allowing amendments to be offered. many times, members do not commit until they find out what amendments are going to be in or left out. so that has an impact on some of these bills. whether that was the case last night or not, i do not know. i was not privy to that information. but i do know it was pooled last-minute. my hope is -- pulled last-minute. my hope was is that we will get back to it. i do hope we can get financial services done today and

tomorrow. and that we will have at least eight bills done if we can get financial services done. host: staying with your budget committee experts, outside of the appropriations process and the bills we have talked about is the emergency funding go, the house passed their israel support bill last week, speaker johnson talked about a ukrainian support bill tying funding to that with more border security. what happens with that build? what is your expectation? guest: there is a lot of angst right now within our conference on ukraine funding, and it is not that we do not support ukraine. we do. we understand how important this is. we understand the role of the united states. as leader in democracy in the world, that we can ill-afford, we all get that, but there are some things we like to see with ukraine funding.

one, we would like to see europe do more humanitarian aid. we ok, for the most part, sending weapons to ukraine for them to fight. the humanitarian aid really should be handled by europe, and they are doing a good job of that now. secondly, we do not want to see any american boots or troops in ukraine, but, thirdly, and perhaps most importantly, i think what we really would like to see is a plan. house is going -- how is this going to end? what is the light at the end of the tunnel for ukraine? that is what i hear a lot of my constituents and colleagues saying. hiding it in with the border, there are pros and cons -- tying it in with the border, there are pros and cons. our never would issue or securing our border and we understand how important that is to the american people. there are members of our conference who feel that should be separated from ukraine funding.

i think the idea here is to tie them together, and it would give us a better chance at passing ukraine funding. there may be some truth to that. host: final minute on the israel aid bill. if that bill is dead on arrival in the senate and the democrat said it would be because of how it is funded with cuts to the irs, what happens? are there other options to move aid to israel? guest: first of all, i am sick and tired of making decisions in the house based on what the senate may or may not do. what we show with fiscal responsibility as we are not going to continue to spend taxpayer money we do not have an buildup this debt, that is the greatest threat to our country of anything else. if the senate decides they do not want to pass that bill, then show us what you would like to do.

and they lets try to work out something. but we need to stand with israel. we need to get them the funds as soon as possible. host: congressman buddy carter, republican of georgia. we appreciate your time, thank you. guest: thank you. host: back to your phone calls and our open forum, any public policy issue you would like to talk about. we will begin open forum until the end the program at 9:00 a.m. eastern, when the house comes in. we will take you there live for coverage. this is bob in utah, democrat. caller: thank you. [indiscernible] on this abortion thing, i think with people with their nose up there, nobody likes abortion, but life begins at conception. i think we are all a little

guilty for taking birth control pills. plus, people saying i could not kill a mouse, but i don't like putting rat poison out. you know? anyway, i am glad the bill passed because women do have the rights. thank you and goodbye. host: issue one that passed in ohio, on abortion rights in ohio state constitution. there will be a lot of discussion about abortion and how it drives people to the poll s in the days to come. here is a headline, abortion rights proves to be a powerful driver once again at the polls, from the washington post this morning. here is miguel out of el paso, texas, republican. caller: good morning. i am calling to say every time hamas attacks israel, i

mean, palestine should be waiting for israel to attack them back. what i am trying to say is that palestinians are the ones who should be fighting hamas. that is the only thing i wanted to say. thank you. host: derek in massachusetts, independent. good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for having my call. i agree with the gentleman who just called. it is like a two point thing. one, it was not particularly, you know, obviously, palestinians have rights. they are human beings. everybody knows this. it was particularly the style that they invaded israel. if they were going to attack military installations and attacked the israeli military, that is one thing, but they went for innocent civilians and they killed women and children. i don't think any palestinian

who supports freedom would agree with killing women and children. secondly, to conclude, i think that israel, even though they are very upset, should be careful not to, you know, if you have a hamas leader in a group of 50 people, maybe you do not call in a balm to kill one man -- a bomb to kill 50 people. they should be more surgical with their warfare. i believe palestinians deserve to be happy, but i also think that israel is right to be upset. obviously, if you invade a country, your neighbor, you have to expect there will be repercussions. thank you. have a good day. host: derek in massachusetts. out of iowa, dennis, good morning. caller: good morning. i would just like to remind the republicans who are against abortion it was when republican

nixon was president in 1973, abortion became legal. there was a republican supreme court that made it legal. most of the judges on that call were appointed by nixon and eisenhower back then. so stop blaming the democrats for it. and donald trump, who cheats on women, is the reason why women have the abortion. this is what joe biden does. thank you very much. host: on the issue of abortion and on donald trump, the washington post, one of their conservative columnists, writes this headline, donald trump is undermining his two greatest accomplishments from

when he was president. donald trump won over a lot of conservative voters in 2016 by promising he would defend the rights of life of unborn children and move the federal courts legwork. some conservatives like me were skeptical he could follow through on both, cementing a conservative super majority on the supreme court, one of his greatest compliments as president, and as is the end of roe v. wade, that doing so helped to bring about. as he campaigns for another term, he writes, he is undermining both accomplishments. in recent months, trump precise putting a ban on abortion after six weeks of pregnancy, which makes exceptions in the case of rape and incest and threats to the mother's life, calling it terrible. the comment inflicted collateral damage on the pro-lifers who passed similar laws for one to protect -- that protect even more unborn children in other states. since abortion became a national issue in the late 1960's,

republicans have never run a president shall candidate who opposed abortion policy. if donald trump is nominated, that streak will come to an end. if you like to read more, his column is in today's washington post. one other story on donald trump and his family, the headline from the washington times, the new york attorney general nears the end of their civil case against the trump organization he ivanka trump, the daughter of the former president on deck to testify in that case. that testimony is expected today. and then donald trump's defense team, which starts its defense work likely next week, the former president's lawyers say they expect their defense to wrap up by early to mid-december in that civil case. that is the latest out of new york. back to your phone calls. fred in maryland, republican. caller: good morning. i am shocked at the state of

affairs. the democrats --behind the scenes, they are controlling the media. they are hobbling donald trump's campaign for 2024. the one thing on abortion, i have to say this. how many choices do you get? get to have sex, you get to not use contraception, and the third choice is to kill a baby. and the men never have any say. the ladies want the man to pay for everything, but they have no say whether the baby lives or not. host: why do you think that passed in ohio yesterday? ohio is a state that voted for donald trump and has become increasingly red, conservative, why do you think that issue won and now it is going to be enshrined in the ohio state constitution? caller: i mean, it is a scare

tactics. we do not know where it is coming from. i believe it is from george soros. why would anybody vote for higher taxes, killing babies, defunding police? it makes no sense at all. the abortion issue. that started with margaret stagner to eliminate the black population, and here they are, african-americans, they cannot wait to vote for the abortion pill. everything the democrat party stands for is against basic morals. host: that is fred in maryland. got your point. this is pete in pennsylvania, democrat. good morning. you with us one more? -- you with us? think we have you know, pete, go ahead. caller: military veteran here. and, um, i don't know, the

fellow who just called, i don't understand his point of view. it was a great night for the democrats. what do the republicans stand for? there are no policy issues. it is just hate, bio and donald trump -- hate and donald trump. i don't understand military veterans, knowing that donald trump thinks we are all losers and suckers, i don't know how you can put your foot behind that. i think mcconnell and all of them are so smug about the abortion issue and it backfired on them. host: pete, some state elections in pennsylvania, were you paid attention to any of those last night? caller: yes, there was one out in the west, county executive, a democrat won, not by much, but, yeah, i was because she will at least have some election integrity, and we know that one of trump's accolades would have gone in there and they would

have been trouble. i think it was the supreme court, democrats had a 5-2 majority now? those were the basis i was. looking up -- those were the basis i was looking at. i will say, i would really like to see biden removed from the ticket. bashir cannot do it this year -- andy beshear cannot do it this year, but that is the kind of youngkin up and comers you need, people like him. people like jeffries, wittner, newsom. schapiro even in pennsylvania, down the road. inwe have to get a new generati, honest to god. host: do you think that would be time to do that? caller: i do not know, i do not know what the rules are anymore. everything seems to be backwards. we used to pick people at conventions. i do not know. i would think that the dnc has

alternative plans going on, maybe somebody warming up in the bullpen, how about roy cooper, the twice elected to my credit governor of a purple state. there are people out there who are younger and just as experienced in their own state governments. so, i do not know. all i know that is this country is going to be -- host: did i lose you there? caller: i was going to say if -- that we will be in trouble. the polling makes you nervous and biden is not my aspirational candidate, i think you realized a lot of people voted for him because of the dislike of trump. and that is not always a great thing to win an election because of that. host: harrisburg, pennsylvania. mark out of bakersfield,

california. the line for republicans. mark: good more -- mark, good morning. caller: since this is open forum this goes to the subjects that will be coming up. hate breeds hate. yes, we can disagree and have a good debate, but hate breeds hate. one picture that i wish you can show is the gentleman who was killed in thousand oaks, the woman that was giving him aid and comfort while he was on the ground was a muslim. i wish that could be shown more. and, just remember, hate breeds hate. thank you. host: what is your level of optimism over the next 12 months? to avoid hatred in this country? caller: to avoid it? have a reasonable discussion.

i understand one side and i understand my side. but, you have to put away your anger and hate, tell me what you think and i will tell you what i think. and together, we can find a compromise. i know that sounds maybe a little naive, but it is not. i have had political and otherwise discussions even about abortion. and, what i believe and what you believe, but for me, lacking the wisdom of solomon, i cannot make that decision. but maybe together we could get the wisdom to make a decision. whether it is what is going on over in israel, what is going on in this country, all we have to do is talk to each other, not at each other.

host: as you were talking, i pulled up the picture about the investigation of the jewish man's death. the image showing paul receiving medical aid after suffering a head injury at that protest. that is over the war in gaza. there is that picture that you were asking for. caller: yes. that is probably the most powerful picture. look at the woman on the left. that is the most powerful picture that this country could see to not hurt each other. she is giving comfort to a man, and all he was guilty of was carrying an israeli flag. that woman needs to be celebrated. in other words, she did not have hate. she was comforting a man who was injured, and like i said, hate

breeds hate. that woman should be celebrated and we should all celebrate that woman. host: thank you for the call. crofton, maryland. independent. you are next. caller: good morning and thank you for taking my call. i agree with that gentleman that just spoke. i am calling about the important thing for me, the war in gaza. i applied for a home mortgage and as soon the war started the loan process, i paid for the evaluation, everything is set. and it is coming monday.

as soon after the war started they started denying calls, no answer and they are denying me and they are giving no reason. i asked if you are denying me, why did you accept my loan? finally there was no answer. host: why do you think it is because of the war in gaza? caller: yes, sir. that is the only reason i can come up with. i have a 30% down payment and 800 plus credit score, me and my wife. we both have good jobs. there is no reason to deny me. in the beginning they said you do not qualify, i am more than happy to take that. there is no reason. as soon as the war starts, things started falling apart. host: let us know the end of the story and what happens when you

call in next month, it is a 30 day rule here. so follow up with us on an open forum and we will continue the story. thank you for sharing this story out of crofton, maryland. more phone calls coming up in this 8:00 a.m. eastern hour. any public policy issue or political issue. many of them will be discussed tonight in the third republican presidential debate taking place in tampa. we are joined now by jim and till -- and till --autle, what will you be watching for tonight and who is this debate among the five among the stage that it will be the most important one for? guest: i think it is important for all five as to whether there really is a brace for the republican nomination. on the one hand these have been an opportunity for them all to get out from under the shadow of

former president donald trump. his absence from the debate stage has given them all a chance to show what they can say and do without a disproportionate focus on the former president. at the same time, the previous debates have not moved the needle overall in the race. maybe in the first 48 to 72 hours there is some negative consequences very marginally for trump or not participating and ultimately it resets and continues with him having a massive lead. the two people that need to do the most will be florida governor ron desantis, who is debating on his home turf and has up to this point has been a runner up for the presidential nomination, and nikki haley, the one person who i think has seen some benefits and some positive

momentum in the polls from the debates to the point where she is threatening desantis for that runner-up status. i think the two of them will probably cross swords a good bit tonight. host: you mentioned and what of your recent pieces desantis had an iowa comeback plan asking whether it could work. what is that plan and what does he need to do to further that plan to stop this slide in the polls for the florida governor? guest: desantis is spending a lot of time in iowa, trying to visit all 99 counties. he is believed to have a pretty good operation and has the endorsement of kim reynolds. i think the hope for the campaign is they can outwork and hustle the trump campaign in the caucus system of iowa, which is

different than showing up for a few minutes to vote. it requires a certain level of commitment. there are questions about whether trump has made mistakes in his pitch to iowa voters, not the least his feud with governor reynolds. so, what would the scientist do to help tonight? probably continue to have outreach to iowa evangelicals and evangelicals throughout the country, social conservatives. the risk of that is that is not the constituency that he would need to follow up, a strong showing in iowa with a similar performance in new hampshire, somewhat less socially conservative and secular state to the degree it is more religious it is more catholic than evangelical. he has his work cut out for him. iowa is a state where desantis is focusing a lot of his resources. host: we were talking about the

war in gaza, several callers have brought it up. how much is foreign policy going to play into this debate tonight, and specifically on the war? where are we going to see the dividing lines? guest: i think it is big. we already saw an ad released to the republican jewish coalition where all five of them took a strong stand in favor of israel. there have been foreign policy divisions among them in the past. haley and scott, definitely represent a more pre-trump foreign policy perspective within the gop. desantis and vivek ramaswamy have tried to be less interventionist, sort of more in line with trump has called the america first foreign policy. i suspect that israel is much more of an emotional issue for a lot of americans than ukraine

and a lot more direct connection for many republican primary voters. so, i think you might not see as much daylight. but any disagreements, even marginal, i would look about the exchanges between haley and vivek ramaswamy, they will get paid up. host: desantis, scott, kristi, haley and vivek ramaswamy, who doesn't make it to the fourth debate stage? guest: they are all adamant that they will make it. a lot of eyes are on tim scott to prove that he still has a viable campaign. he was moving into a place where maybe he might be competitive with desantis in iowa, but haley has since stolen a certain amount of thunder. chris christie will have staying power, the question is whether he has a path to the nomination

and whether he can do anything then have a respectable showing. it does seem that he has the requisite appeal to probably stay on the stage to the end, which is important for him because the debates are a big part of why he is running. he can make his case against trump directly to republican primary voters, and he would love to get trump on the debate stage and have a one-on-one moment with trump himself, but i do not think that is likely to happen. host: from tonight till last night, what were your takeaways from the elections across the country last night, ohio, kentucky, virginia, and mississippi. guest: it was a bad night for republicans so that is what i am interested in hearing in, -- hearing tonight, what the republicans have to say. do they blame donald trump? do they use this to make the case for some kind of change in

leadership? a generational change or simply a change in the person leaving the party? what are their explanations for why republicans underperformed last night and what it will mean for 2024? that is going to be a very big thing for republicans. a think -- i think a lot of voters are experiencing whiplash. they have seen very bad poll numbers for president biden and that takes them feel good about 2024, and then they look at real-world election results and feel less optimistic. so what do the candidates really have to say to them? host: washingtonexaminer.com is where you can go to read the work of him and his colleagues. we always appreciate his time, thank you so much. and back to your phone calls. it is open for them, about 45 -- open forum, about 45 minutes left.

we will take you to the house for gavel-to-gavel coverage when the house comes in. mike, thanks you for waiting in bradenton, florida. democrat, good morning. caller: i used to be a republican for 32 years but trump was elected and i worked with ronald reagan personally and nancy, they were friends of mine and i have been to their branch in marquette. i was in their first political campaign to run for president after he finished his term as governor. host: is that where you met ronald reagan? caller: yes. they were good people, they had good beliefs, good moral values,

they believed in america and the american system and justice and freedom, and the constitution. they believed the constitution was for everybody, democrats, independents and republicans. host: what do you think of ronald reagan -- what do you think ronald reagan would think of you becoming a democrat? caller: we were such good friends he would not care. he would be disappointed because of beliefs that i am not gonna get into right now. especially abortion. i am the kind of guy that went around for decades marching against abortion clinics. and planned parenthood and i found it disgusting. and now i found out that it was me that was wrong, i am the one

that was wrong. they have the right that they want to do with their own body and life. and i will not tell them what to do. host: when did you change your mind on that issue? caller: well it is kind of personal. i will say it anyway. a friend of mine, a very good friend of mine, had that -- and a man who had been with her. she had two children and he got her pregnant, but came to find out that he had raped both of her daughters. and after he was arrested she did not want to have the baby. and first of all she did not have the financial funds to care for it and give it the life it should have. and secondly she was afraid it would turn out like him. so she asked me to go to planned

parenthood with her and i said no i could not stand it. and she asked me and i said i would. host: are you still with us? i think we lost mike, or i can hear you back there, could you hold the phone closer to your mouth? caller: i am sorry. anyway. so after hearing that, i thought, i am wrong about planned parenthood. i was wrong all of these decades, and all of the nasty things i had done to these poor women trying to get an abortion for whatever reason. it is not me to tell them what they can do or how they can do it. how they live their life. they have the right to freedom and do what they want. secondly, i would vote for mark

for president. a very honest person. a good republican. host: thank you for the call from florida. the phone lines if you want to join the conversation, 202-748-8000 for democrats. 202-748-8001 for republicans. independent, 202-748-8002. jennifer, republican. south carolina, you are next. caller: hello. host: go ahead. caller: hello, i was watching the election results last night and with a democrats winning abortion and the marijuana legalization it is just really upsetting that our country has gone against everything.

we were inspired by life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. with abortion, it is actually everything against who we are. and with marijuana with the fence and all and f --entenyl and everything going on, it just seems like it does not make sense that those things would be on a ballot. it is against everything that should be going to a moral country. host: what would you say on the marijuana issue, recreational marijuana to the folks who argue that that is part of their pursuit of happiness? caller: i mean, i believe everybody is at liberty to do the things that they wants to do. and i am ok with that. but, with the cartels on the border and fentenyl and

everybody dying of that, it seems like a bad time to start making more money for the cartels. it seems counterproductive and what is going on today. host: jennifer, south carolina. chad, in monro, north carolina. democrat. go ahead. caller: good morning. we just had our voting. host: we will go to huntington, pennsylvania. tina. independent. good morning. caller: that was a way to answer a call. host: sorry about that. caller: it just caught me off guard. i have 1,000,005 things running through my head, so please bear with me. i just want to say to everybody listening to the sound of my voice, gen x wake up. our world is upside down and i have a theory, and i am not a

psychologist and i do not have a masters or a doctorate. it was about 2020 -- 20 or 25 years ago that we were told to not spank your kids, shove a pill in their mouth. and then 9/11 happened, they took the footage off of the tv because it was traumatizing. it was very traumatizing. i lost family. very traumatizing. what is bothering me by looking at these crowds that are gathering in our streets, it is young people. it is, and i do not know if i am right, but is it the participation kids? donning the black with the masks? waving a foreign flag on our homeland with an open border,

god only knows who is here. have we forgotten what 9/11 did? and why are we allowing still allowing people to tell us how to raise our children? we made this generation, and i'm going to say, we made a generation of addicts. it has been proven that those drugs, they messed up their brains. your brain did not mature as it should have. i just wonder if that was our downfall. and i pray to god every day that it was not. on another note, i was raped at the age of 17. i went back and forth to the abortion clinic.

and i said to myself this is a gift, i am going to raise him and love him like he was my own. and with abortion it should not only be the mother's right, but the father's right. he should have a say. and i am sorry i scrolled off in many different directions. but if we do not come together as a nation as we did on september 12, we are going to lose our country and the war is going to be here. we are already under threat from what i understand in many cities. i would just hope that every american takes to heart what i am saying. prepare your mind, get out your bible and remember nine/12. host: that is tina in huntington, pennsylvania. it is about 8:30 on the east

coast, about half an hour left. taking your phone calls, any public policy or political issue. this is larry from albany, georgia. democrat. good morning. caller: hello. i want to talk about, there was a gentleman who called earlier and said that he did not know why we voted for president biden. well i will tell him why. the reason we tell -- we voted for president biden is because of his wisdom, knowledge, and experience. and for this day and time, and for covid and all of the wars that we have, we need somebody with a level head, somebody with integrity and somebody that stands for the united states and the world. that is number one. number two, i would like to say this about president biden's son , hunter biden. hunter biden was never a senator

or governor. he was only an international lawyer. and right now we are getting ready to pay the senate $5,000 a week, $15,000 a month and $82,000 a year to try to find out some dirt on president biden. and let me say this one more thing about abortion. abortion, i believe that women should have their right, and they have them because i had an experience about the abortion clinic. i am a security officer, and i had to take a young lady to the abortion clinic in atlanta, georgia. the reason i had to take her there is because the doctors in albany, georgia, she had a pregnancy that the baby head was not forming and the hospital

here did not have the right procedures to perform that abortion so i had to take her to the abortion clinic and they were able to do that procedure. so for the american people who say that president biden has not done anything or is too old, you are going to lose big time when you vote for a person where you cannot even tell me what his policy was or what he has done for any of us. and that as -- and this is what i had to say this morning. thanks you for taking my call. host: boise, idaho. republican. you are next. caller: i am a registered republican, but i am wondering why all of these people who support trump. i am not a trump supporter, period. what will they do if he goes to prison? this country if he gets back in

office is in deep trouble. i do not necessarily agree with biden, but i tell you what, i day and well do not agree with trump. this deal on abortion, i cannot say that i am happy about it. but i also fathered a child that died in a premature birth. to stand there and watch the child die, the only time its mother gets to hold it is well its heart stopped beating, if you want to have a feeling, that is something you do not want. i will never forget it. i am the one who unplugged the machine who said she would be in a mental hospital before she was 18 months old. me and her mother agreed on it. but it well was not an easy decision.

with that, thank you, i really enjoy c-span because it tells us the truth. have a good day, sir. host: elizabeth and millsboro -- in millsboro, delaware. independent. good morning. caller: my comment is going to be on hamas and israel. i am 80 years old, and since i was 20 years old i have been studying this situation. and i have to tell you, if americans knew what israel has done since 1948 to the palestinian people, what they are doing today is nothing but pure genocide. the only reason he is doing all of this is to stay out of prison. now, the babies, i am getting pictures from a teacher in the

west bank who is going around taking pictures at the hospitals. when you see the babies, i am talking months old baby is screaming and bleeding, white phosphorus burns. by the way, israel flies over with white phosphorus which if you -- if it hits your skin. caller: this is from the west bank -- host: this is from the west bank, not gaza. caller: and the things that are going on in the west bank and the checkpoints. it is inhumane what is happening over there. for the person who called about gen x, let me tell you something, we better understand that our young kids today are not stupid and ignorant. they know what is going on. they will be our salvation. we old people, we need to shut up. we do not have much time on this

earth but young kids have the rest of their lives to deal with climate change and the people in industries all over the world. you have to see the millions and millions of people in the street in every country in the world against israel. it is about -- host: we have your point. this is james, walden, new york. republican. caller: three quick points. the last caller i kind of agree with. second point, the central park kid that was accused of rape, they were that night had warrants against them and were running firm -- from the can -- from the police. third thing, in the kentucky race, andy beshear won. interesting, daniel cameron was

a black guy who lost. so i guess the democrats in kentucky are racist. caller: this is lindsay out of ohio. line for democrats. caller: i am a proud member of gen z, it was great to see the results. i know a lot of young people who were super engaged and there are a lot of -- and there was a lot of misinformation about issue one. so i am proud that ohio pulled through. host: when you talk about young people being involved, how and where did you see it? and what do you think the national message should be to folks outside of the buckeye state? caller: sure. i saw it on my college campus as well as tons of social media messages that i have graduated or met with. people who just turned 18 and this is their first time voting. people all across the state were

passionate about this issue. on the national level, i think republicans need to change their strategy because we have seen in seven states that it has passed and is enshrined in constitutions. i think it is time to move forward with other issues and enshrine abortion as much as you can. host: you said your college campus. do you mind, which college do you go to? caller: i graduated from higher college. host: it is an ongoing issue for a a while now, obviously. what was the reaction on your campus thinking back over a year ago to roe v. wade being overturned? caller: yes. that is a great question. i know a lot of students were upset and we were trying to figure out how in ohio it will impact students. now looking at it, i think the important thing is just making

sure that students are aware of the issues going forward and that this is now in our constitution. host: lindsay, in ohio. a lot of focus on ohio and the abortion issue. yesterday, this is virginia beach, virginia. a state that got a lot of attention. the legislature election, the democrats holding the senate and then taking the house of delegates. david, independent, what did you think about those results? caller: i just have a question for your viewers. is it safe to say that virginia women would rather have crime-ridden streets, pornography in schools, boys and girls bathrooms, crt-die, than give up the ability to kill their babies? host: what do you think the answer to your proposed question is? caller: it is rhetorical. i know the answer.

it is shocking to me that they would rather kill their babies than all of those other things. host: david, virginia. joe out of connecticut. republican. in morning. caller: good morning. how are you? host: doing well. caller: i just want to say that the mainstream media, and c-span, they are destroying the country. they do not tell the truth about anything. i hear these people saying god forbid if trump gets in the country will be destroyed. i could not destroy this country anymore. this country is being destroyed in every direction, but it is the mainstream media. you keep talking about trump because he inflated properties.

biden is being accused of bribery, and you never talk about it. never. and the mainstream media never does the same thing. you're going to shut me up in about a second. host: i was good to say we have done a couple of segments on the republican investigations into the biden family. caller: you have not. and if you do it for a couple of seconds, it would be as bad as trump. you would be talking about it 24/7. all you talk about is if -- is trump and if he inflated properties in new york city. that is why people call up and say what a great job biden is doing. but it is not him, it is obama. obama is on his third term and destroying his country. host: go to c-span.org and you can find some of those entire segments we have devoted to those issue and we have had

republican members of congress, and talk about the investigation. we gave you a chance to talk, but thank you for the call from connecticut. this is steve from michigan. democrat. good morning. caller: good morning. i love the show, and so many people are so proud to demonstrate. the last time pedro was working there is a guy called lloyd graham who talk about deceptions and mitts of the bible and i have a copy and i would like to recommend it to anyone who is interested in how the bible originated. host: steve in michigan. if you are looking for book recommendations, i would recommend booktv, 20 four hours of book programming, c-span.org if you are looking at other books. caller: i love it and watch it

on a regular basis. host: steve in michigan, about 20 minutes. about keep calling in for democrats and independents. as we call in we will take you up to capitol hill. congressman ro khanna joining us. it will be another busy day on capitol hill and we are less than 10 days from a possible shut down once again. what do you think it will take for democrats to get short-term funding? guest: as long as it is in line with what president biden negotiated. it should fund the government through all of 2024, but at least we should have the

continuing resolution based on that. we are going to have cuts and the epa from clean air and clean water. cuts in education for public schools, cuts in cancer or medical research or childcare. host: we had buddy carter on the program earlier and we talked through the idea that proponents are calling it a ladder approach. funding some programs for a shorter amount of time and some government agencies for a longer amount of time as part of this continuing resolution. what do you think of that approach? is that something you have heard of before? guest: it is a washington accounting gimmick to lower the top line number. at some point all of these agencies need to be funded. i rather we do what the deal was and fund the government and not put people in a situation where they do not know if they are going to get a paycheck or put

them in a situation where they will not get services on education, health care, or childcare. we need to fund what the deal was. host: outside of the yearly funding bill, the agency itself, there is the emergency funding request for israel and ukraine. what do you think happens with those proposals and how quickly do you think some of that legislation gets moved? guest: well, it is the responsibility of the house speaker to tie the funding of israel to drastic tax -- drastic cuts in enforcement. that is why it did not get bipartisan support. my belief is that the senate is likely to act on the president's request, there needs to be a bipartisan bill that emerges from the senate and take up a senate bill. it will probably fall on senator schumer to provide that

leadership. host: speaker johnson talked about tying ukraine spending to border security, is that something we desert -- you disagree with? guest: i think we need american leadership to make sure putin does not succeed in taking over sovereign ukraine. the ukrainians have done a tremendous job and it is also providing a deterrent from xi jinping invading taiwan. we need to make sure that we do not snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and give president zelenskyy what he is asking for. i am hopeful that the senate will do that. host: going back to israel, defeat, and victory. how do you think israel is defining victory? how close is the line between defeat and victory? guest: the attacks on october 7 were brutal, 1400 innocent civilians were killed. and then of course hostages.

the first thing is we need to make sure that the hostages are released. the perpetrators of that attack and hamas need to be brought to justice. but we also have to have extraordinary regard for palestinian lives. understanding that most palestinians in gaza have nothing to do with hamas. in many ways it is subjecting them to awful conditions. we need humanitarian aid get into gaza. water, food, fuel. we need a humanitarian pause to do that. the bombing in gaza should not hit dense civilian sites, schools, churches, mosques, and hospitals even if hamas is using people in gaza as human shields. we have to be -- israel has to be targeted in going after hamas.

they can track them if they are in residential sites and make sure that they are only making attacks that do not have huge civilian casualties. host: is there more the biden administration could be doing the push for humanitarian pauses and to push israel to be more careful and more surgical? guest: i believe antony blinken is doing that. he has pushed for humanitarian pauses. he has explicitly talked about being surgical and making sure that care under international law is being taken for all civilian life and that you do not have bombings of refugee camps, hospitals and civilian sites. we all see those images of children being killed and i understand that it is complex and that hamas often has its operations in these civilian places, but you can track those folks and get the terrorists in

the tunnels. there just needs to be a surgical approach. host: i know it is a busy day, but i want to shift years. we showed, i think yesterday, part of your recent debate. remind voters how that came about and how you ended up on the debate stage with a republican presidential candidate. guest: he was going to my alma mater and so they reached out and said what i have a conversation in a civil former -- forum with vivek ramaswamy. i'm always open to talking to people on the other site. he said i'll do it but i want to do it in new hampshire which makes sense given that he is running for president. we went to saint and some college and to his credit we kept it simple. it was a subnet -- substantive exchange with two very -- two people with very different images of the future of america. host: do you think america will

see that at the third republican debate? guest: i doubt it. he may have more zingers tonight dan with me. what the country needs more of is the conversations like saint anslem, which is not based on rhetorical point but articulating the fundamental differences we had about the role of government improving lives and the need to have policy that does not give breaks to the wealthy and american leadership and foreign policy. we had very different views. and i hope that some of your viewers will get to watch it to see those differences. host: they can see it on c-span.org. do you watch the republican presidential debate? guest: i do and i usually see the social media clips. i do not often have times to watch the whole thing. but tonight we have votes at the time of the debate and i certainly tune in to see the best moment. host: i think of -- i

think the verse -- the first votes are taking place in half an hour so we appreciate your time. back to your phone calls. it is 202-748-8000 for democrats. republicans, 202-748-8001. independents, 202-748-8002. we will take you to parachute, colorado. independent. good morning. caller: i would definitely concur. i do listen to also the republican debates because you want to know who is out there. nikki haley was fine and great in putting out her initial platform in saying that she wants to focus on all of the money being spent by the republicans every time they get into office. more importantly i am 100% behind biden. i am out here in the

middle-of-the-road and i can see the infrastructure happening across the country. the recession is coming back. our economy is growing, the shelves are full. and we are producing oil and gas at a higher rate than we ever have. and it is higher now. those costs will come down in a matter of time. host: with what you are seeing, what did you think of those national polls that came out that got a lot of attention showing joe biden losing significantly to donald trump in 2024? caller: well, i stand by -- i never gets a call. nobody ever calls and asks me. and i hear this over and over again. i believe and i am only speculating that it is possible that they are only reaching out

to certain individuals in certain groups based off of what they are already saying what they stand for and that is where they are getting their info. it is just like the abortion thing, we have seen it as clear as day every time something comes up, people want the freedom of choice. it is not for somebody to say to another person, and it is right there written. she should not be telling other people that what they are supposed to stand for and how they stand. it should be their choice, which is why it is a freedom. this is our country, it is a choice and freedom. and i love america. i think america has been strong and will always be strong as long as we have bipartisan-ism and we have to have that in congress. congress cannot keep going back and saying we are going to do it this way and this is the only way it is going to fly and then pushing the bills forward.

and we are saying it has to be in bipartisanship. i would love to have the border done. let us have a bipartisan agreement. both parties get together. that is the one thing about the issue with the border. the issue with repealing back what it is we are spending. great. i do not see any billionaires standing on the corner, i do not see them hurrying to buy a new car. but i see people struggling. peel back the bush and trump tax incentives for the super wealthy and let us get that money back in the coffer. host: we appreciate the call from parachute. if there are folks like you who are not getting calls from pollsters, they can always call up at c-span. they always have the call -- we always have this program every day and viewers can call in. this is kathy, lemon grove, california.

republican. good morning. caller: good morning. i have not heard too much but we need to concentrate on the orbit -- on the open border. they say the border is closed and that is not true. i live close to the border. my concern is that they are helping the open border people, but we have a lot of homeless people. i feel that we need to concentrate on our homeless people here, get them off the street, get them a job. i know some of them will reject it. but i myself have taken blankets out and given them to them. and the thing is, this abortion. let the women make their own decision. this abortion is not really a concern. we need to -- our government right now is awful. we need to change the policy --

the people in the white house. they are arguing, and the young generation needs to -- they see all of this. it needs to be changed. we need to really work on this open border stuff. it is really bad because now from watching the media, they are not being tested for covid or anything like that. or weapons. they are just coming in. we do not know. host: kevin. plano, texas. democrat. good morning. caller: is actually evan. the first point has to do with abortion rights. i am 32 years old and i have a daughter who is three years old, a covid kid and i believe it is my responsibility to fight for her rights for the entirety of the time that she cannot vote. and so that is extremely important to me.

the second thing i want to point out is people talk about inflation and how it is affecting their wallets. we live in an area of greedflation with corporations raising rates but i think people need to pay up attention to in the ira the 1% tax on stock buybacks is one of the biggest drivers of the increase of the cost of goods. that is something biden did, the democrats have been effective at legislating and putting meaningful love is -- legislation through the relatively broken system. i am in full support of biden. i do not see the republicans having any coherent platform to begin with apart from trying to push us towards theocracy. host: in your support of joe biden, the bad news earlier this week and national polls, the democrat seeing good news last night in ohio, kentucky and virginia.

how do you read that? caller: i mean, if you look back in 2016 and the 2020 election, the polling idea that the way that people do polling is inherently super broken in either direction. you cannot trust them. even a year out, they are just not meaningful at this time. maybe in six months they will start being more meaningful. the biden campaign put out in email talking to the media outlet saying there is a bunch of different polls coming in, but all the media outlets are talking about two that show biden unfavorably in just -- in my opinion, just to get extra views. but i think that happens on both sides. i disregard all polls and take everything i see in polling with a huge grain of shot. -- of salt. host: before you go one paragraph in the "wall street journal" where he writes "it

would make more sense that democratic analyst conceded that it is a snapshot of to date rather than eternity in politics. in november 2011 the job approval was in the low 40's and he trailed bit romney as late as october 2012. several show -- survey showed mr. romney leading and the average polls taken between october and the election gave mr. obama a 48.8% chance of a popular vote, 2.3 points less than his winning total, 51.1%." so william gholston's analysis. your thoughts? caller: my thoughts are that i think in six months it will be more meaningful. but we also cannot predict what is going to go on in the israel-hamas war or ukraine, with iran.

nobody could have predicted those things prior to them actually happening. so there is a lot of uncertainty , and i think that polling is effectively useful this far out. host: thank you. you mentioned israel and hamas, he me mention programming later today on c-span3, a hearing on u.s. support for israel, officials from the state and defense department will be testifying before the house foreign affairs committee at 2:00 p.m. eastern on c-span3 and c-span.org and the free app. the house comes in in five minutes and we will take you to the house floor when they do. your phone calls until they gavel in. this is jane, independent. good morning. caller: good morning. i am not a very good speaker but i will tell you that i looked at the history of israel.

and it is going to take forever for them to get together. around 635, that is when the arabian/islamic took over israel, the jews and christians. what they did to them was they gave a poll tax. host: bring me to 2023, and what is happening today. caller: ok. what i am trying to say is it is going to be -- it may never be where the two countries or people get together because it goes back so far, the hate. host: that is jane, missouri.

florida. robert. republican. good morning. caller: i just want to make a point. just think about this. when the biden administration took over, they made the country not energy dependent. where are we getting the oil from? iran. we are making them rich. do you really think there was an iran nuclear deal? we gave a powerful country $150 million, 200 billion in unmarked cash that was sent to politicians to keep quiet to not be able to have nuclear weapons and to give 27 days notice before the inspectors come in.

it is mind-boggling that people think that. you think about this, our military troops and the bases got hit 40 times. what did we do? we hit two empty warehouses. joe biden is compromised by iran , and it all started out with the osama bin laden where sticks were not in and did not kill osama bin laden. host: we will hold off on the conspiracy theories we will go to atlanta and jack. good morning. caller: i just want to respond to the guy, when the u.s. gives money back to afghanistan or iran, it is their money. we are a financial giant and we are able to take other country's money and freeze it, we are not

taking -- we are not giving country's money. we are holding it as a penalty. one thing about your question about republican, why the polls are so bad for biden. i think it is marketing. the republicans seem to be better at marketing. they have a whole news channel, fox news. donald trump comes on. donald trump has always been great on marketing. he puts his names on buildings and he does not own the building. i just want to point out to all these republicans that you should not put people who hate government in charge of government. that is when things go wrong. you should not put somebody who hates cars in charge of general motors. you would not want somebody who hates ibm in charge of ibm. host: what was wrong with republican marketing on the abortion issue -- in ohio and what was wrong with republican marketing in the kentucky

governor race or virginia where democrats picked up the house of delegates. and give me a quick answer? caller: ok. i do not know what was wrong with republican marketing, the marketing about the border, they tell lies about the border. you remember the whole benghazi thing was alive. abortion in ohio, the marketing was not good. but on a national level, their lies are good. the borders and the guy who just called about the u.s. giving money to iran. where does he get these? these are lies and republican voters believe them. host: we will leave it there, the house is coming in and we will take you to gavel-to-gavel coverage and we will be back here tomorrow morning on washington journal. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2023] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] a communication from the speaker. the clerk: the speaker's rooms, washington, d.c. november 8, 2023.