♪ host: welcome to the washington journal on this thursday, november 9. last night in miami, five

republican candidates squared off of the third time and its presidential cycle. nbc hosted the debate. former president donald trump did not attend. he held his own program in miami as well. he held a rally with the arkansas governor sarah huckabee sanders endorsing him there. we want your reaction to both of these events. democrats, you are first. (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. you can join us in a text. include your name, city and state to (202) 748-8003. or, on facebook.com/c-span. in a post on x. the debate last night was supposed to focus on foreign affairs but following up on

tuesday's election where abortion played a central role. the candidates spoke about that. let's start with the headlines in the pers. the washington times, republicans rned by abortion restrictions. cannot shake ban rhetoric from dems. the wall street journal. gop unbind 424. usa today. election lessons. abortion delivers for democrats. from last night's debate, and exchange between senator tim scott and nikki haley, both of south carolina on abortion. [video] >> i would as president of the united states have a 15-week national limit. i would not allow states like california, illinois or new york to have abortion up until the day of birth. i certainly would not allow for governors, the former democratic

governor of virginia who talks about infanticide. we need a 15-week federal limit. three out of four americans agree with a 15-week limit. 47 out of 50 countries in europe agree with a 15-week limit. i would challenge both nikki and ron to join me at a 15-week limit. it is in our nation's best interest and i think it is unethical and immoral to allow abortions of until the day of birth. we have an opportunity in this nation to stop that reckless behavior from states like california, new york illinois. -- new york and illinois. we talked about -- we should support adoption. there are a number of ways we can say to the inspected mother we stand with you. we should not only be pro-life

before the child is born. we should be pro-life after the child is born just as much. >> ambassador haley, your name was invoked. do you support a federal limit? >> i would support anything that can pass because that would save more babies and support more moms. i appreciate that tim keeps calling me out for this. tim, there was a bill last year. lindsey graham sponsored it. you did not even cosponsor the bill. when you are first interviewed on this when you ran you would not even say you were 15 weeks. what i'm saying to the making people, let's see what we can agree on. let's bring people together and decide what we can agree on. i will sign anything where we can get 60 senate votes but don't make the american people think you will push something on them when we don't even have the votes in the senate. host: last night's third presidential debate. five candidates minus the former president. the wall street journal opinion page today.

are republicans tired of all the losing? the sobering message for republicans as they are losing on abortion. the choices are unpalatable compromises or more nights in the political wilderness. the result suggests the gop's nikki haley who set a federal 15-week limit on abortion is political fantasy is right if the gop is going to win among suburbanites and independents. if you agree with the wall stetournal editorial board, let's hear from you. another headline from last night's debate. here is nbc who sponsored the debate. trump rallies supporters his rivals do get out for second place -- duke it out for second place. he received the endorsement of arkansas governor sarah huckabee sanders. he did not mention the gop losses in tuesday's election. here is what he said he would do if he were to win a second term.

[video] >> the economy is floundering. families are suffering and the largest growth industry in our country by far is government. the lay thing that is growing. when i am reelected we will stop joe biden's inflation disaster. we will rebuild the greatest economy in the history of the world. we will do it. unlike ron d esanctimonious, i will protect medicare. he wanted to do bad things to it for our great senior citizens. when i get back into the oval office i will totally obliterate the deep state. we started with comey. we got rid of him and a lot of bad people. we will root out the corruption, bribery and influence in our nations capital. we will start by exposing every last crime committed by crooked joe biden.

because now that he indicted me we are allowed to look at him. he did real bad things. we will restore law and order to our immunities -- communities. i will direct a completely overhauled doj to investigate every marxist prosecutor in america for their illegal racist in reverse enforcement of the law. on day one i will sign a new executive order to cut federal funding for any school pushing critical race theory, transgender insanity, and other inappropriate racial, sexual or political content onto our children. i will not give one penny to any school that has a vaccine mandate or a mask mandate. host: now you have heard a little bit from last night's debate hosted by nbc in the former president's rally, both

taking place in miami. kimberly from illinois, democratic color. you are up first. caller: hi greta. thanks for taking my call. host: we are listening. caller: no one is asking why can't a woman make that decision between her and her doctor? why does it have to be a politician making the decision for us? are we going to have politicians about making treatment for heart disease? this is so ridiculous. in terms of late-term abortions, that is not happening. it is only happening in instances where the woman's life or the baby's life is at risk. it is so ridiculous. you have states now -- i treat -- i'm a nurse practitioner. we treated women that have wanted pregnancy.

they went through all the fertility treatments to get pregnant. oh, now i have breast cancer. now i have to make the decision between two i went treatment for my early-stage breast cancer or wait until i have the baby. this decision should be between a doctor and a woman, not between politicians that have no idea what they are talking about. host: that is the message that democrats hit on over and over and over again. this is a decision between women and their doctors. would you ever vote for a republican, or is there an issue you agree with republicans on but abortion is front and center? caller: i would certainly vote for a republican if they felt it is wrong to infringe on a woman's personal space between her and her doctors.

those decisions should be made -- it frustrates me. nikki haley is a woman who was running to be president. yet she feels she needs to be -- her daughter needs to be a slave to a state. if you are in a state where you are restricting abortion rights, you are the slave to that state from the time you reach puberty until you reach menopause. it's ridiculous. as a woman i feel that is -- with nikki haley, i like her and i think she is incredible smart. that is just wrong. if you are smart enough to become president, but as a woman we cannot make our own decisions about our bodies. that is ridiculous. host: front page of the washington times. from the reporting by susan -- a july ap poll found 51% of adult support keeping abortion legal

up to 15 weeks of pregnancy. virginia governor glenn youngkin campaign on that limit as he sought to define the democratic position as extreme and without any limits at all. the proposed restrictions did not sell with voters in virginia. the on conservative state that mean increasingly docratic -- that has been leaning increasingly democratic. good morning, fred. caller: good morning. i agree with camberley. she said some -- with kimberly. only if there was a problem with the mother's life is in danger or the fetus is not viable. chris christie said abortion in the ninth month. i don't think we need more unwanted babies in this country. i agree with the policy here in

new jersey. no restrictions at all. the republicans really gave themselves a problem when they put three new justices on the supreme court and overturned roe v. wade. the american people are not with them on this issue. host: ok fred. gary, adams, new york. caller: i am a very christian person. i don't believe in abortion. that is life. i feel that we need a president that will stand up and help the american people. i believe mr. trump gets a chance, he can do that for our country. host: the headline we showed earlier said that republicans on the debate stage last night in

miami were duking it out for second place. sounds like the former president is your first choice. who is your second choice? caller: i would think the gentleman from texas maybe. host: the gentleman from texas? who are you referring to? caller: he's a republican. i believe he is running for -- that fellow on tv right there. oh gosh. or the lady. host: nikki haley of south carolina. caller: yeah. she had some good remarks, too. i still think we need a leader in the usa to guard our american people.

keep the borders closed because we have so much crime in the usa. we don't need people coming in our country. that is my belief. we need a president that will take the bull by the horns and get the job done. host: what do you want them to do on border security? what proposals do you like? caller: we -- they started the wall years ago. we should finish that off. get the job done on that. it will cost a lot of money for the american people for taxes. taxes is a big thing. i pay a lot of taxes. i would like to see that come down a little bit. host: sticking with border

security, last night at this presidential debate ron desantis was asked about the fentanyl crisis in the united states. here is what he had to say, mentioning the wall. [video] >> i was speaking to a dad who lost his son to fentanyl overdose. the sun was not a drug addict. he had taken some pill that was laced with fentanyl. it was a fatal overdose. when he told me the pain of losing a child is as bad as it gets but he said what was salt in the wound is that these elites in d.c. don't give a damn about what is going on in the country. they don't care we have tens of thousands of opioid deaths, that the fentanyl is poor again. we are declaring it a national emergency on day one. i'm sending u.s. military to the border. i will stop the invasion cold. i'm going to deport people who came illegally. i'm even going to build the portable and have mexico pay for it like donald trump promised. how are you going to do it? mexico is not going to forgive her money. we will impose fees under

vince's to money they sent to foreign countries. we will designate the cartels to be foreign terrorist organizations or something similar to that. we will authorize the use of deadly force. we will have maritime operations to interdict for chemicals going into mexico. if someone in the drug cartels is sneaking fentanyl across the border when i'm president, that will be the last thing to do. we will shoot them stone cold dead. host: the florida governor talking about what he would do on the southern border. do you agree or disagree? what is your reaction to ron desantis? the debate over our nation's southern border came up yesterday on capitol hill when homeland security secretary alejandra mayorkas testified before senate appropriations committee. he was alongside hhs secretary becerra. they were there to defend president biden's request to congress for supplemental funding.

additional, multimission law -- multibillion-dollar requests. most of the questions went to the homeland security secretary about the border. look at the washington times fron paget report. senators and all republicans along with some democrats said that the white house needs to be open to some policy changes in exchange for this funding. if you missed this debate or are interested in it and the hearings, go to c-span.org. if you push the play button on the video player you will see the yellow star appear. that will give you an idea of all the key moments, the moments of interest from that hearing. instead of watching hours of testimony, you can watch just a few moments there. c-span.org. you can watch our coverage on the website or on our free

mobile app, c-span now. download it on many mobile -- on any mobile device. james from rutledge, vermont. back to the debate and the former president's rally. what did you think? caller: hi. i tuned the tv in for a little bit of the debate. i want to tell you donald trump makes my blood boil. he makes my blood boil. i practically had tears in my eyes. he is a simpleton. he appeals to people like hitler appealed to people, telling them they will get low taxes, low gas prices, solve the border crisis. he is too much of a -- our country will become hell. it is just the opposite. host: a reminder to you and

others, you have to mute your television. listen and talk for your phone this morning. alan from stanley, virginia. caller: thanks for taking my call. i have a comment to make but i want to start by using the word common sense. i want to try to explain this so people can understand it. one lady was calling in on the abortion issue. i respect other people's opinions. i get all that. 1.i want to make -- 1.i want to make -- one point i want to make. when it comes out of her body it is a person. it is not her body. to treat her body for medical conditions, i get all that. we are talking about killing an individual. that is a person.

my question is, what if your mom felt that way? does everyone have a right to live? i don't care who you are, what color you are, where you come from. it's a god-given right. your caller talked about trump. we have donald trump for four years. look back for four years and look what we got. we had a good economy. we got to get some balance on some things. -- bounce on some things. can anybody tell me what our president has done that is good for this country? immigration. they are coming in. i'm not against immigration as long as they come legal. like mr. desantis said, i would shut it down and get this trash, these terrorists and stuff out of here and keep the good people. they must apply. they have no respect for law. it is millions and millions coming in here.

what's going to happen to social security and seniors and everybody? somebody has to pay for this. these politicians get on the stage and promise everything. nobody can do anything. i want to get back to use a little bit of common sense, friends. host: you bet. richard, minneapolis, republican. caller: yes. good morning. that first lady that was on there talking about nikki haley's opposition to abortion, she had nikki haley all wrong. nikki haley said she was against abortion personally but she says rab decided in the states and she would go along with what is in the states. that first lady misrepresented nikki haley. trump -- you should not let

people come and calling donald trump hitler. that is like a swear word on the air. i think you should cut them off when they start calling people hitler and names like that. furthermore, they are stopping the big wind mill projects on the east coast. new jersey, massachusetts, rhode island. they are stopping those big -- host: what does that have to do with the debate? diane from ohio, democratic caller. caller: good morning. number one, republicans will have to stop telling these lies. we have seen on several times on the show alone people saying the individuals coming into this country that are breaking the fentanyl are americans.

they are not people from the border. they are not. this idea they keep perpetrating the lies that will allow them to think they know better and when it comes to abortion, you mean to tell me you want a woman to die instead of allowing the child to live? who was going to take care of that kid? nine times out of 10 it is not the father. host: diane, for you, when you go to vote in 2024, what do you think of this moment will be the top three issues that will determine your vote? caller: number one, abortion is priority. number two, the economy is pulling back. the people are blaming biden for that. why? it is the people who own the businesses that are making the economy go high.

they are the ones using the united states citizens, not him. he tried to stop the gouging but the republicans allowed that to happen. number three, i want a -- at the border so people can come to this country and help us. security is deftly going to be a problem. the thing of it is, when they bring their economy, they start working, that generates that money. they don't even get it in the end. we do in the united states, even when they become a citizen they don't get social security. host: norma from maryland, republican. did you watch last night's debate or the rally? caller: i did not.

the thing that disturbs me from a political standpoint is the results of the elections. the democrats, they gloated over abortion. what else do they stand for? what else are they going to win on? that is what really concerns me from the standpoint of what they are running on. host: norma's thoughts and maryland. a couple of headlines this morning. the banner page on drudge report. miami fight. the santos and haley battle. empty seats at trump rally. this is axios reporting on the trump rally. supporters showed up as early as 6:00 a.m. for the rally. the republican club in the area says by 2:00 p.m. the line

stretched several blocks. there was little activity outside of the adrian center in miami ahead of the debate. george, st. louis, missouri. independent. caller: thanks for taking the call. let me say i think c-span is the greatest tv channel going. it gives you a perspective from all sides of the political realm. people should listen to everybody, because everybody has thoughts. it opens your mind up to various opinions. i would like to think of myself as a common sense kind of guy. i have to tell you, i have come to the conclusion that the republicans cannot win. the reason they cannot win as they can't get their act together on abortion. they put all these judges in that are conservative.

it has boomerang on theme -- boomeranged on them. now they don't know what to say. when you have that many voters, women, ok -- by the way, the women influence the men. they can't overcome it. they have to come to some common sense negotiate -- negotiate a common sense plan for abortion. obviously there are things there about abortion with incest and rape in the mother's health. how many weeks? how many weeks before you can't get an abortion? i don't know if they can come to that type of agreement. if they don't, they have no chance to win an election. host: you might be interested in

this take on this from the washington post. republicans can blame themselves or what happened on tuesday's election. the abortion issue has proved to be the biggest political game changer in recent memory. regardless of the legal arguments of the conservative justices on the supreme court who voted to overturn roe v. wade in the summer of 2022, this has been enormous political gift to the democrats. it has been a gift in part because republicans had no post-roe game plan or replace the affordable care act after calling repeatedly for its repeal. he goes on to say the results in ohio, a state trump by carried by eight percentage points in 2020 were identical to the results of a similar referendum a year ago in michigan, a state biden carried by three percentage points in 2020. in both states affirming abortion rights into the state constitution was approved with 57% of the vote.

in very red kansas, estate trump won by 15 percentage points, it was 59%. the ohio vote, as much as it helped frame tuesday's result as a defeat for republicans should not be overstated. there is nothing that would suggest the buckeye state will turn blue and next year's presidential election. ballot initiatives a far different than election contests between candidates. georgia in louisiana, democratic caller. caller: good morning. host: good morning. we are listening to you. what did you think of the debate or the rally? caller: i seen the debate. nikki haley can stand on her own. she's doing very well to me. i am a democrat but i don't go along with some of the foolishness. don't call christian people who believe in god -- i don't know

what god they believe in, but what is the difference between having abortion and allowing parents to kill their kids? with the debate, that swami guy needs to go. the foolishness needs to stop. they need to shut the border down. send them back to their country. sooner or later we are not going to have no food for ourselves, nor them because of the drought situation. they need to pray and really pray to jesus christ. thank you. host: that was georgia and louisiana. -- in louisiana. arlene from florida, republican. caller: good morning. as far as the abortion, i think we have more things to consider

other than the right in this country. president eisenhower in 1954 signed a bill. communist control act of 1954. it is illegal to belong to the communist party bar association. there is a lot of political things involved with this right now and our country. communism is conquering. chaos and conquer. we all of our country but please look this up. it is a communist control act of 1954, enacted and approved by president dwight d. eisenhower. we love our country. we love each other but we have had that taken away from us. we have a chance right now. it is against each other but it is curable. host: dan in tennessee, democratic caller. caller: good morning, greta.

i so appreciate you and your fellow moderators. the reason i listen to washington journal with citizens like george calling in, i learned so much about my fellow americans. watching the debate last night i could only take so much brainwashing. i watched trump's rally for a few minutes. i did not think i saw lonnie other -- milania there. was his own wife too ashamed or embarrassed to be at the rally with him? i would like to point out they held that rally the same time as the gop debate. he has no respect for his fellow republicans. he has no respect for his fellow republicans. i will get off here. i appreciate you taking my call. host: athens, georgia. let's hear from you.

taveras? independent caller. one last call for you. moving on to lloyd, west virginia, republican. caller: hello? host: we are listening to you. did you watch the debate? caller: no, i did not. host: did you watch the former president's rally? caller: no, i didn't. host: what are your thoughts on the 2024 election? caller: they are bringing up this abortion. the way i feel about abortion, it is murder. if abortion would be made legal, you are making murder legal. how about all the murderers in the prison? are you going to turn them out? what about the cop that killed george floyd? he did not intend to do that. if they don't want a baby,

how about birth control pills and then they won't have them? they won't get pregnant. then they don't have to abort them. host: where does abortion rank for you and what will drive you to the polls in november of 2024? caller: well, i feel like abortion is a very important thing. there are a lot of other things going on besides abortion. host: what are your top three? caller: i think the border needs to be done something about it. there isn't anything being done. host: border security. what else? what is two and three? what are two and three question ? caller: biden is not capable of handling the problems we've got. the things are just getting worse. i would have to vote against

him. host: who would you vote for right now if the contest was held today? caller: if trump runs, i will run for trump because i like what he done. he got out there and done something -- he's not thinking of himself. he did not even take a paycheck. host: he's running, lloyd. last night he held a rally in miami, the same city as the republican debate hosted by nbc. the headline in the washington times on the debate. haley and ron swami trade barbs over tiktok and shoes. this moment received a lot of attention. >> she made fun of me for joining tiktok. her own daughter was using the app for a long time so take care

of your family first. >> leave my family out of this. >> the next generation of americans are using it. that is the point. propping her up, that's fine. the easy answer is to say we are just going to ban on cap. we have to ban any u.s. company actually transferring u.s. data to the chinese. here is a story most people don't know. airbnb hands over u.s. user data to the ccp. that is a u.s. owned company. this is the problem when you have republicans that temporarily go the way the winds blow and is popular to talk tough on china when she was human ambassador. you called them great friends. get to the root cause. even u.s. companies in silicon valley are regularly doing it. cut the virtue signaling. democrats are on tiktok today. one of the few people putting of content the way the algorithm

works is speaking pro-israel views. more republicans will join it. stop u.s. companies from turning over dated to chinese companies. >> thank you very much. he talks about be praising china, he doesn't know the fact the reason china was praised was because i negotiated with china and russia, the largest set of sanctions against north korea in a generation. that is literally the reason north korea stopped testing ballistic missiles. i said china did good on their part. that was a negotiation -- >> those are your words, not mind. >> you would never be able to get that negotiation. i fought against china my entire career in the united nations. everyday i fought china and i did it by making sure no one could get any agency heads. i made sure we called them out on human rights. i did it by making sure we held them accountable on everything

they did. that is the reason we got out of the human rights council. >> thank you. >> senator scott? everybody else is hanging onto the rules here, mr. ramaswamy. senator scott. [laughter] [applause] >> i appreciate you clapping for me already. [laughter] what we should do is ban tiktok, period. we saw under former president trump that he tried to ban tiktok twice but was struck down by the federal courts. if you cannot ban tiktok, limited the chinese presence on the app, period. we should provide parents the opportunity to give their kids permission under 14 to be on those apps. host: from last night's debate sparring over tiktok. if you missed that moment, nbc hosted the debate.

you can find it on their website. also happening at the same time with the former president donald trump holding a rally. you can find his rally on our website, c-span.org. in mid -- anne in minnesota, reaction from both events last night. caller: good morning. i guess i feel that if abortion is important to me and they did discuss it and they also were a little negotiating. they would negotiate. i'm thinking if we want to negotiate, let's negotiate abortion and gun control at the same time. both kill. i am thinking we could possibly negotiate something there. host: all right. tavaris, athens, georgia. are you there now? caller: i'm here, ms. greta. you are a vision of purple with

a touch of brunette. how much do i love c-span, ms. greta? i love it immensely. let's talk about the republican debate last night. i was blown away by candidate ramaswamy. the statement he made about the people who push the russian collusion moderating, hosting the republican debate when it should be tucker carlson. it should be joe rogan. it should be elon musk. no way with the democratic party allowed greg got field to host and moderator debate. i thought that was brilliant. i was blown away. i have a new level of respect for him because he is asking the questions we out here the general public, if we are on that side of the podium, that side of the dais, those of the questions we are asking. i did not get a chance to see

former president trump's rally. i don't understand how he can have the energy to be in court in new york and be down in florida rallying the troops. host: his daughter was in court yesterday. here is the wall street journal. if ivanka trump takes the stage and her father's fraud trial. caller: he was still summer in the building watching it. i imagine that. he might have been at that wonderful mansion in mar-a-lago. how many times have you changed sets? three times. i went on your youtube page. they have a wonderful five minute video about the progress and the evolution of the c-span sets. my fellow viewers and watchers, go to youtube. it has about 4000 views now. let's bump that up to one million because we love c-span and we love what they do. you guys are truly a value token

of democracy. we need more of it. thank you so much, greta. host: tavaris with a nice phone call this morning. david in georgia, republican. hi david. caller: good morning and thank you for letting me comment. i did not get a chance to watch the debates. i was tired. on the abortion, i think the republicans need to build a strategy. go ahead and give the pill away. if a family does not want a baby or a woman does not want a baby, they should make easy access. don't need to bring a baby into the world. they can give everything else away. might as well. i'm sure it does not cost that much money compared to the

spence of abortion or things like that. thank you for letting me comment. host: a little more from last night's rally held by the former president in miami. here is what he had to say about the pro-palestinian protest happening in the sea over the weekend -- d.c. over the weekend. [video] >> they damaged the fence, damaged police vehicles, desecrated statues of ben franklin and other heroes of our country. they shouted. they were saying martyrs. at times like these you cannot afford to have a president who wants to be politically correct. we have to do things properly. we cannot have it in administration that takes foreign policy advice. [booing]

aoc plus three, right? that is a movement that is growing. on day one we will restore the trump travel ban on entry from terror-plagued countries. we will implement strict vetting and ideological screening for all new entrants into our country. we don't do that at all now. anybody can come in. anybody can come in. people want to go and take the test, where do i learn to take the test? people say to them, you have to take any test. just go to the southern border and walk in. we wanted people to come to our country but we wanted them to come in legally. legally. if you hate america, if you want to abolish israel, if you sympathize with jihadists, we don't want you in our country. we are not going to let you come

into our country. host: former president trump in miami last night. we are getting a reaction to the former president's comments and the five republican presidenal candidates on the debate stage so in miami. there are the nes on your screen. keep dialing in here this morning. in other news, today on capitol hillt 10:00 a.m. eastern time there will be a senate hearing about close calls in aviation. we will have coverage of that honor free mobile app c-span now. also on the app you can find a hearing on the senate judiciary committ's investigation into sueme court ethics. washington post has a headline about this hearing coming up at 10:00 a.m. eastern time today. senate panel plans subpoenas. for thomas and alito allies.

your reaction to the republican presidential debate and the former president's rally. you can join us on facebook.com/c-span with your first name, city and state. (202) 748-8003. or on x. some of those comments here. nikki made them all look stupid, especially the one that did not show up. you have david hernandez. ramaswamy owned the night. stephanie hilton. trump had another ral. how is vivek still up there? this aunt's and scott are out. christie and haley sounded the best at not sounding unhinged. the candidates nay realized people don't want to hear them argue. trump do n have to come to this debates because people know what he stands. most people either love him

or hate him. darnell cooper, the trump rally was awesome. bennion maryland, democratic -- benny in maryland, democratic color. caller: good morning, greta. which topic do you want to cover first? host: what did you think of the debate? what do you think abortion means for the 2024 election? caller: i don't think abortions need to be in the political round. -- realm. they out to be for a woman's health, not that i don't want to have a baby right now. there are ways to not have babies. don't have sex, take a pill, use condoms. to many different ways to not have a baby. as far as the debates, i did not want either one of them. i voted for trump in the last two terms. if trump was not in the lead i would hook for nikki haley.

i don't really believe what the democrats are about these days. host: why do you like nikki haley? caller: well, because, you know, she is on the topics that trump was about somewhat. trump, he's probably going to be the front runner. no doubt about it. he wants to get our border taken care of. we don't need to keep letting all these foreigners come in for so-called jobs. they are coming in and our government is taking care of them. that is costing us a lot of money. we have a problem with the deficit, right? we don't have enough money for this and enough money for that. correct? that is costing us a lot of money. anybody that can see the sun come up in the morning can see that.

bees democrats say how great our economy is. i don't know where they are getting it from. host: harry from norcross, georgia. independent. caller: good morning. good morning, c-span and america. this is harry in norcross. i usually text but i want to call and talk this time. i did not watch the debates. i have seen the first two. i have ruled about everybody out. i kind of like chris christie. i kind of like asa hutchinson. i really don't agree with a lot of the things that the republicans are doing now. everybody is trying to be donald trump, who i expect to see in an orange jumpsuit eventually. the think i want to talk about was immigration.

host: before you talk about immigration, who would you vote for if the election was today? caller: i voted for joe biden last time. i generally vote republican in my local elections. i have not seen a republican i have admired as president for quite some time. what i was going to talk about, when you hear senator or a representative from the house complaining about immigration, what they are really saying is i have not done my job. in 2017, the senate had a bipartisan immigration reform bill. the republicans in the house would not even take it up. we are a party to the u.n.'s

convention on refugee status. that makes that the law of the land, which means somebody who has legitimate refugee status coming across the border, that is a legal entry. we don't have -- the republicans have underfunded what you called immigration judges at the border. what we need is comprehensive immigration reform. host: got it. tom, hackensack, new jersey. republican. caller: yes. i did watch a little bit of the debate, a little bit of trump. to lose elections with the country in such a mess, i just can't believe it.

the democrats one on abortion. -- won on abortion. does anybody know the platform the democrats have for abortion? it is abortion on demand in all three trimesters, right up to the moment of birth, paid for by the government. host: tom, we lost you. are you still there? go ahead. caller: the republicans have come up with kind of a compromise of 15 weeks. that is plenty of time to decide if you want to get an abortion. i would like anybody out there to google in a baby at 15 weeks. is maybe five inches but it has a face, has ears, a nose, heartbeat and can feel pain.

host: tom, you keep cutting out. james in atlanta, democratic caller. caller: hi. i want people to not be bs. trump is running to stay out of jail, period. if you go for him you are an accomplice. host: james in atlanta. john, new jersey, independent. caller: hi. i would like to comment on the discourse during the debate and get your audience to think about how they would feel if this was a group of doctors discussing how to proceed to save your life. would you like them talking to each other that way? they are doing that to get as mad because they want us to vote. my point of view, i'm trying hard not to get mad and do my

homework the way i would if i made other kind of decisions in my life. and decide who is best based on their records. if i had to choose among these, it might be nikki haley. my beef is that they are trying so hard to manipulate our emotions to get us to vote. you should put as much time into choosing a candidate as we put into looking at baseball statistics or something like that. host: who did you vote for in 2020? caller: i voted for biden. i don't know if i could vote for him again. host: who did you vote for in 2016? caller: i'm generally a democrat but i'm evolving towards wanting better candidates from both sides. i want them to make it hard for me to choose. host: nikki haley makes it a little harder for you? caller: yeah. based on her career, not what

she said. i have some reason to believe she is competent and thoughtful. host: bobby from new alexandria, and surveying -- pennsylvania. caller: good morning. i wanted to say i watched the rally last night. i think president trump has the leadership quality to become our president again. and concerning abortion, this is what jesus said. jesus said if you harm one of these little ones, it is as good as you had a millstone tied around your neck, thrown into the deepest sea. he had no mercy on you. people should think about that, where they are going to spend their internal life. this is just a journey to your eternal home which is forever. host: henry in new york city, democratic caller. caller: my name is henry from

the arc city. thank you for being here. i really wish people would stop talking about late-term abortions. there is no democrat or nobody who is going to allow an abortion after nine months. why do people keep saying that? it is a lie. if anybody can show me proof there is someone doing it, i would be ok with it. however, please answer me what is donald trump good for? the man is being indicted. he has cases all over america. 91 counts. never in the history of america have we ever had a situation like this. what is so good about donald trump? he is a failure. everything he touches, every business, every casino, every

hotel, he is a failure. what makes them so good? that is basically it. there is nothing good about trump. yes, america has the right to choose their president. biden might not be the best but he is the best that we have got for now. with logical sense. host: rich from tennessee, independent. caller: good morning, greta. i will try to talk fast and get as much in as possible. i voted for darrell castle in 2016. i voted for trump. got pragmatic and made a mistake voting for trump in 2020. eileen republican -- i lean republican. i voted constitution party for three straight election cycles. i am disappointed in -- i have been a haley supported for quite a while. as far as republicans go.

i am seeing a shift towards pragmatism and saying abortion is a losing issue. that is what i'm hearing from all the pundits and strategists. even in the calls -- i'm 69 years old. i can recall the time when in 1973 when roe was decided. the vast majority of americans disapproved of abortion. it was a no-brainer. now we have seen the shift. we hear the callers talking about if somebody can't afford a baby, let them terminate it. it is matter of fact. it is like talking about human beings as slaves. you can go back --

host: what is your point, rich? caller: i would like to see the candidates take -- not just say we need to be pragmatic or we need to have a national ban. i would like to see them lay out what actually abortion is. try to be persuasive. host: i have got to leave it there. when we come back we will hear from two lawmakers from both sides of the aisle in efforts to avoid a government shutdown next week the deadline for this continuing resolution right now that the government is operating under expires friday, november 17. we will talk about the continued debate over u.s. aid to israel and ukraine. first, republican congressman of nebraska -- don bacon of depressed. later, democrat marcy kaptur, cochair of the ukraine caucus. we will be right back.

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unfiltered, unbiased, word for word, from the nation's capital to wherever you are. the opinion that matters the most is your own. this is what democracy looks like. announcer: "washington journal" continues. host: from capitol hill, congressman don bacon, who serves on the armed services committee. we appreciate your time. let's begin with the deadline, november 17. the current resolution expires. tell us what you would like the new leadership, speaker johnson, not to do. guest: i know what he is going to do, he will submit a plan today to continue the resolution, perhaps a commission will be put in. we'll see. you will submit a plan, give us some days to debate it, and we

will vote on it next week. i do not want to see something very complicated. we are talking about a laddered cr process, that would be too complicated. while we are working on the appropriations bills, we are trying to work a plan with the senate for extra spending. so, i want something simple. i like to be more bipartisan, instead of working on an agreement with the senate. host: you wanted to be more bipartisan. what do your conservative, more conservative colleagues, want to see and could you agree to that? guest: some of them do not -- they are not worried about a shutdown, which i think is wrong. if you have a should die you are affecting military pay, all government workers, and it is not appropriate government. so, some of them -- they are on the president for cutting spending.

in the end you, you have to give away stuff to reopen the government. the -- but i think that some of them would like to see a continued resolution with 2% reduction in spending. or some kind of reductions while doing a one month or two month cr. our job is to get stability while working on a good budget for next year. but we have to work with the senate, controlled by the democratic party, so we can only do so much. but the emphasis should be on the appropriations bills next year. host: if speaker johnson comes up with a continuing resolution that' mores appealing to those on the right of you, and other moderate republicans, do you think that speaker johnson could get you and other moderates to vote for it? guest: we want to keep the government open. if you get something that is too conservative, or reducing

spending too much, you will not reduce it with appropriations bills, but i. the senate will take it up and we will have a shutdown. we need to do something reasonable that the senate will also agree to. and then pass out a spending bill for next year with 12 a brief -- appropriations bills. host: you were quoted saying you and other moderates need to be more vocal after what you saw with the speaker -- the ousting of former speaker kevin mccarthy and what happened over the three weeks after that. what did you mean? guest: since kevin mccarthy was the speaker in january after 15 votes, most of us were angered we let five people or 10 people, depending on the issue, control the whole house. we were trying to accommodate speaker mccarthy because we knew he was trying to work with the right. and we wanted to have an

effective speaker and house. but we gave away too much to these five or 10 people. and than we saw people vacate the chair. and a small number of stop steve scalise from being speaker. and we saw the bills move their way to the right. the thought is once you get to the senate you get a more sellable appropriations bill. but we are tired of that. we want to do something smart and reasonable. i want to get us center-right, conservative bills passed, but they have to be reasonable. if you think you are going to get a far right bill through the senate, you are delusional. so, we are going to be more vocal. we have been that way on the appropriations bills. we stopped one bill on a vote, and we have others on hold, until they become more reasonable. the pragmatic conservatives are speaking up and being counted.

so, it means more than ever in this congress. there has to be a legitimate compromise. we have to govern, you have to work with the senate and president. you cannot just pass things out of the house and go home. that is not how the system works. host: explain what votes you are talking about mother bill that was -- about, the bill that was pulled. guest: we will start with the agriculture appropriations bill. we have some folks, they were going to cut the farm bill, and the output cultural bill by 25%. -- agricultural bill by 25%. that agricultural people do not like that. so we kept it on the floor. let's make it more reasonable. that is what we are doing with the transportation hud bill. the appropriations for roads, faa, our housing.

so, that bill is going to be defeated, or it was going to be defeated this past week. and my favorite people in congress -- he's making adjustments to the bill now so we can get more people on board and get it passed. host: on aid to israel and ukraine, what is your perspective? guest: we need to support both. israel is our closest ally in the middle east. we have a moral imperative to print -- to protect them. they were attacked by murderers, people have been tortured and raped. 36 americans were killed in that as well. i agreed with the speaker that we should try to come up with -- we have a $33 trillion debt and we'll hit $2 trillion of spending this year.

in the end, we have to support israel. now, i want to support ukraine. it is in our national strategic interests, our national interest, to have an independent ukraine that russia does not control. but we have to be clear, putin has spoken on it publicly, he wants to restore the old order of what the soviet union used to have. so ukraine is only one step in what he wants to do in enlarging his borders. what would be next? the balkans. we have to stand up to putin. we have to help ukraine. i would like the european union to focus on rebuilding and the humanitarian side. but american weapons are defeating the russians, as the ukrainians are fighting. we should continue to do so. host: congressman don bacon is our guest for a few minutes longer. he is kicking off the conversation with all of you in this hour about government

funding deadlines, november 17, next week. and your thoughts on u.s. aid to is real and ukraine. joel in michigan, a democratic caller. good morning. caller: first of all, i want to say that i'm going to be backing up my statements with some expert opinions. so, and there is a guy named bobby coleman, who is a senior director for federal budget policy, and he states that we have -- it's not that we have an economy problem, but we have a tax problem. everyone knows it country runs on taxes. and since we -- as the gentleman said, we are $2 trillion less in collecting taxes. that was the tax from donald trump. we are not taking in money. so what happens?

we have to cut social services. if you do not take in taxes, you cut social services. that is what the republicans are about. host: how do you respond? guest: after the tax cuts of president trump, revenues went up. the economy was strengthened. there was more business activity and it made this taxes. just because you reduce taxes does not mean you end up with less revenue. if more people invest, we can bring in more revenue. that is what happened. i disagree that the tax cuts resulted -- the problem is spending. one thing that is hard to get their arms around for congress, if you look at the total amount of spending, 30% of it is discretionary. of that, half of that is defense spending. 7% is mandatory. and the rising costs and

lengthening -- all these different factors, spending is going up. so, i support a debt commission of half republicans and half democrats. let's put proposals on the table. it could be for social security. the cap right now is about $140,000 worth of income. so we can look at proposals. and there will be some republican ones and democrat ones, but we need to reduce this massive spending. and it will take some hard proposals. i do not think congress by itself has the power to tackle this stuff. i have made proposals. i have had ads running against me. but i am trying to fix the debt problem. i think you will have to be a commission. we put it all on the floor for an up or down vote. that is the real problem.

joel, if you look at federal spending, county spending, city spending, it is somewhere between 40% to 50% of our income is going to taxes. we are being taxed too much. host: in virginia, a republican caller. caller: hey, representative bobby good. -- bacon. i met you a few weeks ago. i appreciate you standing up to joe doran. i was the marine corps vet that stop due and said thank you. there's been reports that the pentagon has been basically wasting money. "60 minutes" did a good report on it. there is like $100 billion that is completely wasted. and that really never gets addressed when people talk about

spending. when you talk about 50% defense spending, half of that goes to contractors with little to no oversight. and you know that oversight is really your job as a house member. but speaking of the shipment of weapons, i would like you to address the fact we give weapons to the israeli government. and they have reportedly killed 60 hamas members a while killing 10,000 palestinian civilians. so, if you can explain how the u.s. can just give weapons for genocide. and still continue to do that. and how you can sleep at night and continue that funding. guest: i appreciate it. thank you for your feedback, by the way. i thought i followed a principal, and i tried to pursue a speaker. but we should have oversight on the pentagon. we are talking about 15% of our

total budget goes to defense, half of the discretionary spending. and i have come across areas where we need to do more reforms and oversight. but in the end we have to have tanks. we have to have f-35's. we have to replace bombers. we are the world leader when it comes to free countries. america is the indispensable power for freedom. and without their leadership, the world -- china, russia and iran would be more dominant. but we have to work with allies. this should be a shared responsibility. when it comes to israel, i support israel 100%. 1400 people were murdered by hamas. they raped a nine-month pregnant woman and cut the baby out of her while she was alive. so, so many people have been brutally murdered and tortured.

and 250 people could not. -- kidnapped. so israel has no other choice to go in and do as much damage as they can. hamas report on how many people are killed. i think much of it is propaganda. the other day they showed a picture of dead palestinians, supposedly, then these guys got up and walked away. it was fake. there is propaganda here. but as general sherman said, war is hell. hamas, they are putting thei missiler launchers and command centers within hospitals, schools. so this is a tough fight. the war crimes are on hamas. if you put the missile launchers on top of a school, and command center under a hospital, it's war crimes.

israel is doing their best. i believe that they believe in the laws of war. they will try to avoid casualties, but in the end they have to destroy hamas. you cannot have a neighbor in gaza that is dedicated to murdering all of the jews. that is the mission of hamas. they want to kill as many jews as they can. so i stand with israel on this. host: what about the civilians, the palestinian civilians? guest: hamas already put missile launchers on top of hospitals, schools. the hady a command center under a hospital. i think that israel will do everything they can to avoid civilian casualties, but in the end if hamas is embedding themselves into the population, there's going to be deaths. i think israel will do the best they can but they will not avoid attacking hamas. hamas has to be rooted out and destroyed. host: what was your reaction to tuesday's election results?

the role abortion played in ohio and kentucky and virginia? guest: when it comes to abortion, our district in omaha, most folks in my district support restrictions on abortion between 12-15 weeks. less than that you start losing support. we had a 20 week ban in nebraska. the legislature and governor changed to 12 weeks. that is where most people are at in our district. i'm pro-life. i believe life is precious. but i realize that there are realities to how far we can go on this. i think we should be advocates for life, but you have to reflect where your citizens are at and what you represent. and i believe we are doing so in omaha. the republicans should make clear, when you look at the democrats, particularly the leadership, they support

abortion on demand until birth. they wanted zero restrictions per but we want to find where most americans are at. it should be state-by-state. at the federal level, you need 60 votes to pass pro-life legislation or pro-choice legislation come and you really cannot do so. i do not think we will beat but to do much of the federal level. nikki haley said a great last night. there's not let you can do on the abortion side at the federal level. host: the republican of nebraska, don bacon. we appreciate your time. we are continuing throughout this hour with your thoughts on government funding, the deadline. it is coming up next week. eight days left to avoid a government shutdown.

we want your thoughts on that, as well as the debate happening on capitol hill over u.s. aid to israel and ukraine. if you are a democrat, dial 202-748-8000. republicans, 202-748-8001. independents, 202-748-8002. you can text us at 202-748-8003. remember, you can also join us on facebook or post on x @c spanwj. this morning, your thoughts on those two debates. what should happen with aid to israel and ukraine. do you want to see those funding streams tied together, or only aid for israel, like some house republicans are advocating for? or do you want to see aid to both? what about aid to taiwan and the

border? that is what some republicans in the senate want to see as well. while we are waiting for you to dial in, here is the senate foreign relations committee chair ben cardin asking the state department's james o'brien at a hearing yesterday about the importance of ukraine aid. [video clip] >> tell us how this impacts ukraine and the international support for ukraine, the further delays in passing the supplemental, and how that is being played by putin and russia? secretary o'brien? >> thank you. i think a couple elements article. three weeks ago, i was with secretary pritzker and with president zelenskyy. the first thing he noted is his

people need to know that we continue to stand by them. at this winter will be difficult, as just mentioned. but if they know we remain with them, he feels they will come through strong and willing to fight. our allies need to know that we are with them. the european union is considering a proposal for 50 billion euros or $60 billion over the next four years of support for ukraine. if we failed to provide the assistance, that will call into question for them what or if their efforts will be enough, and if they should go forward. for our ability to help, we have already spent the money appropriated. secretary austin has spoken about the need for additional funding for the military assistance needed. and we have been brought back to president putin's prediction

that this will end in a week if we walk away. that is what is at stake. host: james o'brien answering a question there to ben cardin about the importance of ukrainian aid. listen to this. here is marco rubio at that same hearing on the questions he is getting about continued u.s. aid to ukraine. [video clip] >> it is my personal belief, and i try to make the argument that the three challenges of what is happening in the south china sea, with taiwan. what is happening with iran building order centered on tyrone. and putin with ukraine, anyone of those could hold a risk of escalation. but the combination of the three are an inflection point that will determine what the rest of the century is going to look like. it is in that context we have to analyze what is happening.

our problem is i am not sure that that argument -- let may be colloquial about it. people say the following, we have 5000 or 6000 people crossing our border, we are running up in enormous debt, now we have to help israel. we stopped building up our military. why is ukraine important in that conversation? i've heard that from people who are not necessarily fans of vladimir putin. but people have questions about the effort in ukraine. i also think one of the dangers we face in these three challenges that i think our definitional for the rest of the 100 years or rest of the century is the trade-offs that will happen. we will have to make policy adjustments. now, i understand and i agree with all the things about we cannot allow borders to be

changed. i know we have to stand with our allies. i am not diminishing those things. but these arguments are too vague. they make sense here. but i think that there is a notion of we need to do whatever it takes for however long it takes, that is misguided. that's not going to be enough people who are asking these questions. host: that is from yesterday's foreign relations committee hearing on support for israel, ukraine. you can find it on our website c-span.org. what did you hear from those moments, do you agree or disagree? larry from maine. you can talk about aid to israel in ukraine, as well as the debate over a government shutdown, the possibility of a government shutdown. hi. caller: how are you doing? host: good morning. caller: i would like to talk about three things.

first of all, the debate last night, they keep talking about a 15 week abortion. republicans or nobody has any right to tell a woman what to do with her body. host: we have moved on from the debate. what about the funding debate, the budget debates happening on capitol hill? caller: ok, i appreciate you letting me have that in there. first of all, i want to remind everybody that the republican party under the trust administration, created 25% of the national debt. they did that in less than four years. they created a debt that was higher than all the other presidents combine. to tell me that they do not want to raise the debt committed they are a bunch of hypocrites.second of all ,, the defending of ukraine is the most important thing right now because we got the house of

putin, supported by putin, and they are telling people that they do not want to support ukraine because they do not support democracy. they are the most anti-american democracy -- the most anti-democracy group of people that have ever been in the house of putin. and i call it that because that is who is controlling that house. i want to say one more thing. i'm tired of the media mobilizing and calling president trump -- he's not the president. president biden is the president. not president trump. he's a traitor. period. host: ok, larry in maine. samantha has sent us a post. "countries should fund their own wars. we are $35 trillion in debt." in west virginia, tim -- what do

you say on the funding debate? caller: thank you. i was calling about the support for ukraine and israel. i think it is essential that we support our allies and those with the most humanitarian need. the international affairs budget is so much to help our allies, and it contains funding for poverty reducing legislation. when we help those with the most need, it is good for national security, american business and the american economy. i'm glad to hear that many are in support of aid for ukraine and israel, but it is also important to be aware of all the other places we can we are leaders of the free world and can and should be leaders in ending global poverty. the act just got passed in the senate. it is one piece of poverty-reducing legislation.

but still needs to make it through the house. overall, there are many ways we can. host: is bobby. republican-run house of representatives spends t much time arguing and not enough time doing. while you study the debt the country will fail due to lack of funding. steve webster, massachusetts republican, steve. caller: good morning, greta. my main question is, where's the united nations in all of this? i don't even know the ambassador, the u.s. ambassador. if you named whoever it was i would say, oh yeah. ukraine, it's a tough one. ukraine, the root word to that is ukra, on the edge in russian. the area was settled by russia, generally speaking. a lot of putin apologists.

but this is a tough one. i would like to pivot to israel. we have two carrier groups off the coast. there is a lot of talk of colonization. the two main colonists in that area are france and england. they are part of the power five of the united nations, so what skin did they have in this game? there are 1.8 billion muslims in the world, and i'm afraid we could be left holding the bag on israel or ukraine, or both. yes, i support both operations, but you really need to get the world involved -- we really need to get the world involved. i talked to pedro and said, could you bring in fiona hill as a guest? i don't agree with everything she says, but we need some experts, not hacks like me talking on the phone. but there are bright people out there. not politicians either, although

i have faith in a lot of politicians. i still have my 2016 rubio for president sticker around here. host: i would not call you all hacks. this is a national conversation, and we want you to be part of it. not just hear from lawmakers and decision-makers here in washington, but you voice your opinion as well. you can do that here on this program. the u.s. ambassador to the united nations is linda thomas-greenfield. have covered her remarks at the united nations just in recent weeks. you can find it if you go to our website, c-span.org, c-span now, our free mobile app. also yesterday we covered a news conference by secretary of state antony blinken, and the headline from his news conference was that he said gaza must be -- must not be reoccupied. excuse me.

must not be reoccupied and should be run by palestinians. if you missed his comments you can find them again on c-span.org, our free mobile video app, c-span now. steven anderson says this. we should supporth biden bill. it hasun for israel, ukraine, the border, and taiwan. get it over and done with, then concentrate on the u.s. budget. the border. trade. and continued growth in manufacturing jobs. president biden is bringing back to the united states. aaron in florida. independence. caller: good morning, good morning. first, how want to say that i am in favor of biden's efforts to bring spending back stateside. however, i think that we are still talking about it in all of the wrong ways. i feel like we should stop worrying about everyone else in the world. don't get me wrong, i am very concerned about the humanitarian

crises all over the globe, not just in ukraine and israel. but really, our own people are suffering. we are hungry. we are sick. most of us are a paycheck away from being homeless. a lot of us have 2, 3, 5 roommates, kids, you know? when we cannot afford to pay our own bills i feel like our national debt, our inability to pay our own bills, our inability to go to the doctor kind of trumps taking care of everybody else right now. and i feel like if we brought all of our americans -- they were talking in the debate last night, that if you harm one hair on an american head, that is it for you. bring our people back home. post our people in our land and that will bring the spending back stateside. we are paying our troops to spend their money in foreign countries, where we have problems. ring it all back stateside and let everybody know we are not retreating, we are defending

ourselves. in the meantime we are going to take care of our own. i think that is our biggest issue right now and not a lot of people are talking about it. host: christine, rhode island. democratic caller. caller: good morning. i just want to thank c-span for all of the good programs and the callers. i do worry about ukraine, especially with putin. i think congress needs to pass all the bills, and the need to do their job. there is just so much going on. you had a guest on the other day, and i have not heard anybody talk about him. he has a book out, and i forgot his name, so -- host: all right, christine. john, west jefferson, ohio. hi, john. caller: hi, greta.

i watched an interview on a todd low -- larry kudlow, and he interviewed rand paul. they were talking about funding for ukraine. there was the last funding, which was $90 million or $100 billion or something. rand paul said that there was -- they had so much money that they took a bulk of it and funding government pensions with it, and then went ahead and offered grants to companies. and he said there was a $50,000 grant that went to a dress shop. you know, this is our tax dollars that is going over there, and instead of buying

ammo to fight the people invading their country, they are taking the money and saying, let's divvy it up and keep it. so, i'm kind of leery about sending more money to them, because of what they are doing with it. host: ok. john, i want to play for you and others, from the house foreign affairs committee yesterday, this is defense department's dana strohl talking about iran's role in the conflict, and potential u.s. action in the future. >> since october 17 u.s. bases and facilities in iraq and syria have been attacked 41 times. on october 26, at president biden's direction, u.s. forces conducted precision strikes on facilities in eastern syria, used and operated by iran's irgc and its affiliates. we will not hesitate to take further necessary measures to protect our people.

to underscore, in response to a pattern of iranian and iran-backed attacks against u.s. personnel and facilities in iraq and syria, and a continuing threat of future such attacks, the united states has taken and if necessary will continue to take military action against the irgc and its affiliates. this includes the use of force against irgc and irgc-affiliated personnel and facilities in the u.s. central command area of responsibility, with the intention to convince the iranians to de-escalate threats against the united states, our interests, and people. host: from yesterday's house foreign affairs committee. you can find it on our website or our free mobile video app. this is from cnn, just about an hour ago. u.s. aries out airstrikes in eastern syria, targeting iranian-backed groups, a weapon

storage facility in that country. two fighter jets conducted an airstrike on a weapon storage facility in eastern syria used by iran's islamic revolutionary guard and affiliated groups. cnn is reporting a senior military official said the facility is believed to have housed weapons used in many of the airstrikes that have taken place against our forces in the region. there is a headline related to that hearing yesterday that we covered here on c-span. michael in hogan's ville, georgia. independent. caller: good morning. i should call more often. i want to commend all of you for the work you do there. i make sure i get up every morning just to watch you. you are the highlight of my day. that ain't saying much, i guess. i think it is really time. i am a u.s. army veteran. vietnam.

and i think it is time that we shut down -- if we are going to address the budget issue, among other things, a military issue. we have 800 military bases around the world. when we have the ability to transport an entire military in a day, beyond that talk about, unfortunately, [indiscernible] constituted people with abortions and killings. it is important also to realize that the number one killer of children in this world -- excuse me, in this country -- is guns. while we won't address that? why we want to the military budget? thank you so much for your time. host: michael in georgia. we are going to go back up to capitol hill this morning. congresswoman marcy kaptur, a

member of the appropriations committee and cochair and founder of the ukraine caucus, joining us. let's begin with aid to ukraine. we have heard from a couple of viewers this morning. it is something i'm sure you have heard as well from constituents. cheers, we have people here in this country that cannot afford health care. they cannot afford certain aspects of their life. and they want to see money that is being spent on what they say other countries wars, brought back to the united states to help them. guest: let me say in our country liberty is our most precious gift, and you cannot see it, but it is the glass bubble that surrounds each apostle. -- surrounds each of us. my job is to defend our country against enemies foreign and domestic. the budget is a large one, that is for sure. and there are many people in our country, especially the

billionaire class that could be contributing their fair share and are not. and of the ways we find the money to pay for all of the programs and all of the needs of the american people is to make sure everybody is in the boat and they are pushing at the level they can. and there are just too many freeloaders right now. that is another story, but we live in a very complicated world right now where hybrid warfare is a part of our way of life. i could give you many examples of that recently in france the police there arrested someone, a group of people painting jewish stars on a building, and, guess what? we were listening to iphones and being paid by russian interests, according to the story. the very same kind of intrusion because of modern communications is impacting our country in different ways. with messages and so forth. we are just coming to terms with all of this new technology, but we recognize real enemies, where they exist in the world.

there are tearing days. russia, china, iran, and north korea. they are arming one another, as you have heard this morning. our own forces have had to defend interests to keep some measure of order in the middle east, working with our allies. america's most important allies exist in europe. their form of government is much like ours. in the last century over 500,000 americans died in world war i and world war ii on the continent of europe to give us the political liberties we inherited and which our family and families across this country fought for. we can't see liberty directly, we cannot buy it in the supermarket, each of us benefits every day by that great gift. host: if the new speaker, mike johnson, puts on the floor this week or next week before the funding deadline on november

17th, a continuing resolution that includes aid to israel, possibly a debt commission, would you vote yes? guest: without assistance to ukraine and our european allies? yes. i would have real trouble with that. i would have real trouble. because i don't think you incentivize people by the absence of your own strength. and right now ukraine sits the eastern bookend of europe. it is the largest landmass of europe, right up against russia. russia is a real enemy. her political values, her military operations globally, third-largest military in the world after china. us first, then china, then her. we are in a world of hybrid warfare right now. it is different than our parents' and grandparents' faced, but it is one we must be prepared for. and we cannot look weak.

ukraine is fighting for herself. she is not asking us to fight for her. she is asking for arms to fight. and you might have noticed the european union invited her in for additional talks this past week. ukraine sits at the eastern edge of europe. she abuts poland, hungary, the baltic states. they are our -- they are all part of nato. they are part of our defense shield. you cannot see it every day, but it is there. our patriot missile batteries protect the eastern edge of nato, and russia is very active in trying to undermine and recredit values not just here at home in the united states, but in europe. we have to understand this. i urge people to read a book called "blood lands" to understand the context in which we exist. we do not exist alone in this country. we are part of a world where there are nuclear ships that are

in our oceans every day. we have a nuclear fleet out there as well. there are tensions, globally, and america's defense is the best in the world. we cannot renege on our responsibilities to our own people, because we know if we do not take care of it over there, we learn from 9/11 it comes here. host: what do you think happens then? it sounds like you are in favor of what is moving in the senate, which is president biden's quest to tie aid for israel, ukraine, taiwan, and the southern border all into one package. what do you think the prospects of that passing in the house? guest: i think the support for that kind of package is very strong in the house. there were some people who disagreed with it. i think they live in a different world than i live in. they have the right to their opinion, but the vast majority of the house of representatives wants to move forward with that

bill. unfortunately speaker johnson has a party that is having trouble reaching agreement on many aspects of not just this budget, but others. we need to move forward, because you should have had this business done by september 30 at the latest it is already thanksgiving, practically, and it is not done. need to get it done. this protracted struggle to do what is ordinary business is not helpful to the republic. host: setting aside that aid package, the republicans are talking about a lathered approach to funding the government. that they would fund some agencies to january 17, they would find others past that day. what do you think of that strategy? guest: i think that they need to go to regular order. when you get this sorted in the house or senate and you cannot conduct the business of the country you are not doing your job. i always say, if they can't do it they should not get paid. they drag everything out to

august, through september. they did not make the decisions they should have. i think we have to do our job. let's get the bills here, let's vote them up or down, let's do the business of the country. host: you may have heard from mitch mcconnell this week saying, yes he is in support of ukraine aid, israel a. he has been consistent on that. but he did say this week that this a package we are talking about needs to include policy changes for the southern border. do you think democrats could get on board with that? guest: i think the democrats have to get on board with that. and i believe that is what is being linked in order to move the bill through both the senate , but the house. we met with senator graham, with other members of the senate this past week. we have been talking about how to do that. i think that if there is a reasonable proposal i think a majority of our people on our

side, i assume, could accept it. host: what would be reasonable for you on immigration policy changes? guest: first of all it would have to be legal. for regions like my own, i have companies every day asking me for workers. both in the agricultural sector and manufacturing sector. they want to expand the j visa to have workers go through normal clearances. so, if we have a regular flow of immigrants, my goodness i am a second generation of polish heritage, and this country is just -- has just been a gift to our country for a century. all going way back. our relatives have fought in every war. not just an easy job, but combat. our family has paid the price of liberties i have been given, and our family has been given, and all of us has -- have been

given. i believe in immigration, but it has to be done in a way that the american people have faith in the system and we meet the needs of the country. there are employers looking for individuals who can work and contribute to this nation. i think that is step one. host: this a package would include money for ukraine. give us an update on what you understand about the war in ukraine, what is happening, and what does it look like for the winter season? guest: the war in ukraine is a very bloody war. the nation of ukraine is the poorest nation of europe. she does not have veterans hospitals. she does not have all of the equipment we are able to give our veterans when they are wounded. ukraine is not asking us to fight for her. but to arm her, to help arm her. along with our european allies. i just met with poland this week. they are increasing their percentage over 2% to 4% of

their budget to help arm ukraine. we all have to contribute for the sake of liberty. i think that inside of ukraine today the fight here is such a terrible message to give to those soldiers fighting. and what a terrible message to give to russia. it is almost like you are sympathizing with russia if you are not supporting ukraine. you have to know which side of the ledger you are on on this one, and i am on the side of liberty. i would urge americans to recommend the book i recommended, "blood lands." setting aside my position as an elected congresswoman, if anywhere in the world deserves liberty, it is ukraine. no place has suffered more in world history. host: we had a viewer say he wants to see the united nations do more for ukraine. how do you respond to that? guest: the united nations could do a whole lot in terms of humanitarian assistance, but it

is a hot war in ukraine. in many times the u.n. does not go in with military cover and so forth. have to be careful about the way we make assistance available. we have to make sure that there are loans for that. sadly i know there have been many ukrainian soldiers who have died because they did not have tourniquet in the field. it is rough and we are heading toward winter. now is the time. they want to win. let's help them win. that's expand the number of free nations that are a part of nato in europe, and let's get a big win for liberty. they have earned it. host: on israel, addressed the disagreements within the democratic party. guest: in terms of israel, how do i say this? the democratic party has a big umbrella, and i support israel. i also support a two-state solution.

as long as the palestinians have a homeland. that is controversial in some circles, and others not. i think what is going to happen, if you listen to what secretary blinken said this week and what is happening with our european allies, with eric nations, many of them meeting, even that yahoo! said that -- netanyahu said that he does not want to remain in gaza forever. it is a moment for diplomats. i work for president carter when the agreement was signed with egypt to recognize israel. i saw what happened with jordan, and we see nations, qatar, places that are helping the saudi's even, were negotiating with israel before the war occurred. you see nations that are trying to reconfigure and provide a peaceful way of life for the israelis, as well as the palestinians.

we have to walk down the diplomatic row. that is where we need to go. and we can't be alone. have to work with our arab allies and allies around the world to do this. i think the will will be the -- will be there to do that this time. host: is a diplomatic solution possible with the current prime minister, benjamin netanyahu? guest: we have yet to see that, but he had -- he has said some interesting things during this conflict. particularly on the future of gaza. what i'm doing is, i'm talking with many of the arab ambassadors. i talked with the ambassador to egypt. we have scheduled with the jordanian ambassador. even the vatican ambassador, for a different region. i'm trying to work the diplomatic circle around what is occurring in order to push for negotiations, and perhaps a breakthrough that world history has never seen. host: what are those arab leaders telling you? guest: you know what?

they are very open. they are involved in their own discussions, behind closed doors obviously, with other arab leaders. they do not want this war going on in their region. that is such a blood-soaked region of the world, and i think they are all looking for a path forward. there are many meetings occurring in different countries. the g7 was meeting, and the saudi's have been playing a larger role. i congratulate them all. this is not easy, but perhaps this is a moment in history where they can really be secured. wouldn't that be a gift to our children and grandchildren? host: let's go to domestic issues and tuesday's election. in your state of ohio the abortion ballot initiative, your reaction? guest: my reaction is that people voted for freedom. the freedom to choose what is appropriate for them and for

their family. unfortunately the ohio law, after roe v. wade was overturned, was six weeks. that after six weeks no matter what happens to a woman as she was bearing a child, if she was hemorrhaging or whatever, it made it very difficult for her to get medical services. what kind of a law is that? i think that we ought to let families make their own decisions. those are personal decisions, and no group of politicians in columbus, ohio, or even washington, should make these decisions for any family. i was with a father that broke down in front of me, actually. he and his wife had one child, and it weighed one pound. he made a decision with her that they would let the birth occur, and now after 21 years they have

cared for this fragile individual. they made a very noble decision, but that is a decision within their family. it does not belong to the government. it doesn't belong to any group of people outside that family. it is that family's decision. host: congresswoman marcy kaptur, we appreciate your time this morning. thank you. guest: thank you. host: and we have got maybe a minute left here. the house is going to gavel in early this morning at 9:00 a.m. eastern time to begin their legislative business. we will try to squeeze in joe in maine. independent. we have been talking about the funding deadline to keep the government open, as well as usa to israel and ukraine. your thoughts? caller: yeah, i just wish you were last guest answered the question. when they going to do something for the american public? i wanted to ask her if she would list her three contributors to

her political campaign, or the democrats' three top contributors. it is the guns, the jewish lobby, and medicine. they do not care about the american people. they are all screaming about beheaded jewish babies. that is terrible. never acceptable. they could have gone to uvalde and seen kids that had their heads blown off. host: i'm going to try to get in max, who is in san antonio. max, before the house gavels in. caller: definitely find ukraine. if you ask yourself who needs funding more, a country that is getting ready to cease to exist because of external threat, and you compare that to israel, i think you know where the money needs to go first. so that is what i think about it. host: jim, winter park, florida, republican. caller: good morning, greta. i appreciated what that

gentleman just said about answering the question. you cannot get a democrat to answer a question. you asked a simple question. what are you going to do for the people of the united states? she cap danced around it. that is what democrats do. yesterday in the hearing with the senate, may your cups was asked a question. how many illegals, and how many have come across? he was asked that question by jim jordan about a month ago. host: jim, i have to leave it there, but people can watch that hearing you are talking about and the answers from the homeland security secretary if you go to c-span.org or our free mobile video app, c-span now. we are going to bring you into the house of representatives. live coverage here on c-span.