abortion on demand until birth. they wanted zero restrictions per but we want to find where most americans are at. it should be state-by-state. at the federal level, you need 60 votes to pass pro-life legislation or pro-choice legislation come and you really cannot do so. i do not think we will beat but to do much of the federal level. nikki haley said a great last night. there's not let you can do on the abortion side at the federal level. host:thank you so much for your. host: michael in georgia. we are going to go back up to capitol hill this morning. congresswoman marcy kaptur, a member of the appropriations committee and cochair and founder of the ukraine caucus, joining us. let's begin with aid to ukraine. we have heard from a couple of viewers this morning. it is something i'm sure you

have heard as well from constituents. cheers, we have people here in this country that cannot afford health care. they cannot afford certain aspects of their life. and they want to see money that is being spent on what they say other countries wars, brought back to the united states to help them. guest: let me say in our country liberty is our most precious gift, and you cannot see it, but it is the glass bubble that surrounds each apostle. -- surrounds each of us. my job is to defend our country against enemies foreign and domestic. the budget is a large one, that is for sure. and there are many people in our country, especially the billionaire class that could be contributing their fair share and are not. and of the ways we find the money to pay for all of the programs and all of the needs of the american people is to make sure everybody is in the boat and they are pushing at the

level they can. and there are just too many freeloaders right now. that is another story, but we live in a very complicated world right now where hybrid warfare is a part of our way of life. i could give you many examples of that recently in france the police there arrested someone, a group of people painting jewish stars on a building, and, guess what? we were listening to iphones and being paid by russian interests, according to the story. the very same kind of intrusion because of modern communications is impacting our country in different ways. with messages and so forth. we are just coming to terms with all of this new technology, but we recognize real enemies, where they exist in the world. there are tearing days. russia, china, iran, and north korea. they are arming one another, as you have heard this morning.

our own forces have had to defend interests to keep some measure of order in the middle east, working with our allies. america's most important allies exist in europe. their form of government is much like ours. in the last century over 500,000 americans died in world war i and world war ii on the continent of europe to give us the political liberties we inherited and which our family and families across this country fought for. we can't see liberty directly, we cannot buy it in the supermarket, each of us benefits every day by that great gift. host: if the new speaker, mike johnson, puts on the floor this week or next week before the funding deadline on november 17th, a continuing resolution that includes aid to israel, possibly a debt commission, would you vote yes? guest: without assistance to ukraine and our european allies? yes.

i would have real trouble with that. i would have real trouble. because i don't think you incentivize people by the absence of your own strength. and right now ukraine sits the eastern bookend of europe. it is the largest landmass of europe, right up against russia. russia is a real enemy. her political values, her military operations globally, third-largest military in the world after china. us first, then china, then her. we are in a world of hybrid warfare right now. it is different than our parents' and grandparents' faced, but it is one we must be prepared for. and we cannot look weak. ukraine is fighting for herself. she is not asking us to fight for her. she is asking for arms to fight. and you might have noticed the european union invited her in for additional talks this past week.

ukraine sits at the eastern edge of europe. she abuts poland, hungary, the baltic states. they are our -- they are all part of nato. they are part of our defense shield. you cannot see it every day, but it is there. our patriot missile batteries protect the eastern edge of nato, and russia is very active in trying to undermine and recredit values not just here at home in the united states, but in europe. we have to understand this. i urge people to read a book called "blood lands" to understand the context in which we exist. we do not exist alone in this country. we are part of a world where there are nuclear ships that are in our oceans every day. we have a nuclear fleet out there as well. there are tensions, globally, and america's defense is the

best in the world. we cannot renege on our responsibilities to our own people, because we know if we do not take care of it over there, we learn from 9/11 it comes here. host: what do you think happens then? it sounds like you are in favor of what is moving in the senate, which is president biden's quest to tie aid for israel, ukraine, taiwan, and the southern border all into one package. what do you think the prospects of that passing in the house? guest: i think the support for that kind of package is very strong in the house. there were some people who disagreed with it. i think they live in a different world than i live in. they have the right to their opinion, but the vast majority of the house of representatives wants to move forward with that bill. unfortunately speaker johnson has a party that is having trouble reaching agreement on many aspects of not just this budget, but others. we need to move forward, because you should have had this

business done by september 30 at the latest it is already thanksgiving, practically, and it is not done. need to get it done. this protracted struggle to do what is ordinary business is not helpful to the republic. host: setting aside that aid package, the republicans are talking about a lathered approach to funding the government. that they would fund some agencies to january 17, they would find others past that day. what do you think of that strategy? guest: i think that they need to go to regular order. when you get this sorted in the house or senate and you cannot conduct the business of the country you are not doing your job. i always say, if they can't do it they should not get paid. they drag everything out to august, through september. they did not make the decisions they should have. i think we have to do our job. let's get the bills here, let's

vote them up or down, let's do the business of the country. host: you may have heard from mitch mcconnell this week saying, yes he is in support of ukraine aid, israel a. he has been consistent on that. but he did say this week that this a package we are talking about needs to include policy changes for the southern border. do you think democrats could get on board with that? guest: i think the democrats have to get on board with that. and i believe that is what is being linked in order to move the bill through both the senate , but the house. we met with senator graham, with other members of the senate this past week. we have been talking about how to do that. i think that if there is a reasonable proposal i think a majority of our people on our side, i assume, could accept it. host: what would be reasonable for you on immigration policy changes? guest: first of all it would have to be legal.

for regions like my own, i have companies every day asking me for workers. both in the agricultural sector and manufacturing sector. they want to expand the j visa to have workers go through normal clearances. so, if we have a regular flow of immigrants, my goodness i am a second generation of polish heritage, and this country is just -- has just been a gift to our country for a century. all going way back. our relatives have fought in every war. not just an easy job, but combat. our family has paid the price of liberties i have been given, and our family has been given, and all of us has -- have been given. i believe in immigration, but it has to be done in a way that the american people have faith in the system and we meet the needs of the country. there are employers looking for individuals who can work and

contribute to this nation. i think that is step one. host: this a package would include money for ukraine. give us an update on what you understand about the war in ukraine, what is happening, and what does it look like for the winter season? guest: the war in ukraine is a very bloody war. the nation of ukraine is the poorest nation of europe. she does not have veterans hospitals. she does not have all of the equipment we are able to give our veterans when they are wounded. ukraine is not asking us to fight for her. but to arm her, to help arm her. along with our european allies. i just met with poland this week. they are increasing their percentage over 2% to 4% of their budget to help arm ukraine. we all have to contribute for the sake of liberty. i think that inside of ukraine today the fight here is such a

terrible message to give to those soldiers fighting. and what a terrible message to give to russia. it is almost like you are sympathizing with russia if you are not supporting ukraine. you have to know which side of the ledger you are on on this one, and i am on the side of liberty. i would urge americans to recommend the book i recommended, "blood lands." setting aside my position as an elected congresswoman, if anywhere in the world deserves liberty, it is ukraine. no place has suffered more in world history. host: we had a viewer say he wants to see the united nations do more for ukraine. how do you respond to that? guest: the united nations could do a whole lot in terms of humanitarian assistance, but it is a hot war in ukraine. in many times the u.n. does not go in with military cover and so forth. have to be careful about the way we make assistance available. we have to make sure that there

are loans for that. sadly i know there have been many ukrainian soldiers who have died because they did not have tourniquet in the field. it is rough and we are heading toward winter. now is the time. they want to win. let's help them win. that's expand the number of free nations that are a part of nato in europe, and let's get a big win for liberty. they have earned it. host: on israel, addressed the disagreements within the democratic party. guest: in terms of israel, how do i say this? the democratic party has a big umbrella, and i support israel. i also support a two-state solution. as long as the palestinians have a homeland. that is controversial in some circles, and others not. i think what is going to happen, if you listen to what secretary blinken said this week and what

is happening with our european allies, with eric nations, many of them meeting, even that yahoo! said that -- netanyahu said that he does not want to remain in gaza forever. it is a moment for diplomats. i work for president carter when the agreement was signed with egypt to recognize israel. i saw what happened with jordan, and we see nations, qatar, places that are helping the saudi's even, were negotiating with israel before the war occurred. you see nations that are trying to reconfigure and provide a peaceful way of life for the israelis, as well as the palestinians. we have to walk down the diplomatic row. that is where we need to go. and we can't be alone. have to work with our arab allies and allies around the world to do this. i think the will will be the --

will be there to do that this time. host: is a diplomatic solution possible with the current prime minister, benjamin netanyahu? guest: we have yet to see that, but he had -- he has said some interesting things during this conflict. particularly on the future of gaza. what i'm doing is, i'm talking with many of the arab ambassadors. i talked with the ambassador to egypt. we have scheduled with the jordanian ambassador. even the vatican ambassador, for a different region. i'm trying to work the diplomatic circle around what is occurring in order to push for negotiations, and perhaps a breakthrough that world history has never seen. host: what are those arab leaders telling you? guest: you know what? they are very open. they are involved in their own discussions, behind closed doors obviously, with other arab leaders. they do not want this war going

on in their region. that is such a blood-soaked region of the world, and i think they are all looking for a path forward. there are many meetings occurring in different countries. the g7 was meeting, and the saudi's have been playing a larger role. i congratulate them all. this is not easy, but perhaps this is a moment in history where they can really be secured. wouldn't that be a gift to our children and grandchildren? host: let's go to domestic issues and tuesday's election. in your state of ohio the abortion ballot initiative, your reaction? guest: my reaction is that people voted for freedom. the freedom to choose what is appropriate for them and for their family. unfortunately the ohio law, after roe v. wade was overturned, was six weeks. that after six weeks no matter what happens to a woman as she

was bearing a child, if she was hemorrhaging or whatever, it made it very difficult for her to get medical services. what kind of a law is that? i think that we ought to let families make their own decisions. those are personal decisions, and no group of politicians in columbus, ohio, or even washington, should make these decisions for any family. i was with a father that broke down in front of me, actually. he and his wife had one child, and it weighed one pound. he made a decision with her that they would let the birth occur, and now after 21 years they have cared for this fragile individual. they made a very noble decision, but that is a decision within their family. it does not belong to the government. it doesn't belong to any group of people outside that family.

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