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live this weekend on book tv on c-span2. , visit our website booktv.org. from capitol hill, congressman don bacon, who serves on the armed services committee. we appreciate your time. let's begin with the deadline, november 17. the current resolution expires. tell us what you would like the new leadership, speaker johnson, not to do. guest: i know what he is going to do, he will submit a plan today to continue the resolution, perhaps a commission will be put in. we'll see. you will submit a plan, give us some days to debate it, and we will vote on it next week. i do not want to see something very complicated.

we are talking about a laddered cr process, that would be too complicated. while we are working on the appropriations bills, we are trying to work a plan with the senate for extra spending. so, i want something simple. i like to be more bipartisan, instead of working on an agreement with the senate. host: you wanted to be more bipartisan. what do your conservative, more conservative colleagues, want to see and could you agree to that? guest: some of them do not -- they are not worried about a shutdown, which i think is wrong. if you have a should die you are affecting military pay, all government workers, and it is not appropriate government. so, some of them -- they are on the president for cutting spending. in the end you, you have to give

away stuff to reopen the government. the -- but i think that some of them would like to see a continued resolution with 2% reduction in spending. or some kind of reductions while doing a one month or two month cr. our job is to get stability while working on a good budget for next year. but we have to work with the senate, controlled by the democratic party, so we can only do so much. but the emphasis should be on the appropriations bills next year. host: if speaker johnson comes up with a continuing resolution that' mores appealing to those on the right of you, and other moderate republicans, do you think that speaker johnson could get you and other moderates to vote for it? guest: we want to keep the government open. if you get something that is too conservative, or reducing spending too much, you will not

reduce it with appropriations bills, but i. the senate will take it up and we will have a shutdown. we need to do something reasonable that the senate will also agree to. and then pass out a spending bill for next year with 12 a brief -- appropriations bills. host: you were quoted saying you and other moderates need to be more vocal after what you saw with the speaker -- the ousting of former speaker kevin mccarthy and what happened over the three weeks after that. what did you mean? guest: since kevin mccarthy was the speaker in january after 15 votes, most of us were angered we let five people or 10 people, depending on the issue, control the whole house. we were trying to accommodate speaker mccarthy because we knew he was trying to work with the right. and we wanted to have an effective speaker and house.

but we gave away too much to these five or 10 people. and than we saw people vacate the chair. and a small number of stop steve scalise from being speaker. and we saw the bills move their way to the right. the thought is once you get to the senate you get a more sellable appropriations bill. but we are tired of that. we want to do something smart and reasonable. i want to get us center-right, conservative bills passed, but they have to be reasonable. if you think you are going to get a far right bill through the senate, you are delusional. so, we are going to be more vocal. we have been that way on the appropriations bills. we stopped one bill on a vote, and we have others on hold, until they become more reasonable. the pragmatic conservatives are speaking up and being counted. so, it means more than ever in

this congress. there has to be a legitimate compromise. we have to govern, you have to work with the senate and president. you cannot just pass things out of the house and go home. that is not how the system works. host: explain what votes you are talking about mother bill that was -- about, the bill that was pulled. guest: we will start with the agriculture appropriations bill. we have some folks, they were going to cut the farm bill, and the output cultural bill by 25%. -- agricultural bill by 25%. that agricultural people do not like that. so we kept it on the floor. let's make it more reasonable. that is what we are doing with the transportation hud bill. the appropriations for roads, faa, our housing. so, that bill is going to be

defeated, or it was going to be defeated this past week. and my favorite people in congress -- he's making adjustments to the bill now so we can get more people on board and get it passed. host: on aid to israel and ukraine, what is your perspective? guest: we need to support both. israel is our closest ally in the middle east. we have a moral imperative to print -- to protect them. they were attacked by murderers, people have been tortured and raped. 36 americans were killed in that as well. i agreed with the speaker that we should try to come up with -- we have a $33 trillion debt and we'll hit $2 trillion of spending this year. in the end, we have to support israel.

now, i want to support ukraine. it is in our national strategic interests, our national interest, to have an independent ukraine that russia does not control. but we have to be clear, putin has spoken on it publicly, he wants to restore the old order of what the soviet union used to have. so ukraine is only one step in what he wants to do in enlarging his borders. what would be next? the balkans. we have to stand up to putin. we have to help ukraine. i would like the european union to focus on rebuilding and the humanitarian side. but american weapons are defeating the russians, as the ukrainians are fighting. we should continue to do so. host: congressman don bacon is our guest for a few minutes longer. he is kicking off the conversation with all of you in this hour about government funding deadlines, november 17,

next week. and your thoughts on u.s. aid to is real and ukraine. joel in michigan, a democratic caller. good morning. caller: first of all, i want to say that i'm going to be backing up my statements with some expert opinions. so, and there is a guy named bobby coleman, who is a senior director for federal budget policy, and he states that we have -- it's not that we have an economy problem, but we have a tax problem. everyone knows it country runs on taxes. and since we -- as the gentleman said, we are $2 trillion less in collecting taxes. that was the tax from donald trump. we are not taking in money. so what happens? we have to cut social services. if you do not take in taxes, you

cut social services. that is what the republicans are about. host: how do you respond? guest: after the tax cuts of president trump, revenues went up. the economy was strengthened. there was more business activity and it made this taxes. just because you reduce taxes does not mean you end up with less revenue. if more people invest, we can bring in more revenue. that is what happened. i disagree that the tax cuts resulted -- the problem is spending. one thing that is hard to get their arms around for congress, if you look at the total amount of spending, 30% of it is discretionary. of that, half of that is defense spending. 7% is mandatory. and the rising costs and lengthening -- all these

different factors, spending is going up. so, i support a debt commission of half republicans and half democrats. let's put proposals on the table. it could be for social security. the cap right now is about $140,000 worth of income. so we can look at proposals. and there will be some republican ones and democrat ones, but we need to reduce this massive spending. and it will take some hard proposals. i do not think congress by itself has the power to tackle this stuff. i have made proposals. i have had ads running against me. but i am trying to fix the debt problem. i think you will have to be a commission. we put it all on the floor for an up or down vote. that is the real problem. joel, if you look at federal

spending, county spending, city spending, it is somewhere between 40% to 50% of our income is going to taxes. we are being taxed too much. host: in virginia, a republican caller. caller: hey, representative bobby good. -- bacon. i met you a few weeks ago. i appreciate you standing up to joe doran. i was the marine corps vet that stop due and said thank you. there's been reports that the pentagon has been basically wasting money. "60 minutes" did a good report on it. there is like $100 billion that is completely wasted. and that really never gets addressed when people talk about spending. when you talk about 50% defense spending, half of that goes to

contractors with little to no oversight. and you know that oversight is really your job as a house member. but speaking of the shipment of weapons, i would like you to address the fact we give weapons to the israeli government. and they have reportedly killed 60 hamas members a while killing 10,000 palestinian civilians. so, if you can explain how the u.s. can just give weapons for genocide. and still continue to do that. and how you can sleep at night and continue that funding. guest: i appreciate it. thank you for your feedback, by the way. i thought i followed a principal, and i tried to pursue a speaker. but we should have oversight on the pentagon. we are talking about 15% of our total budget goes to defense,

half of the discretionary spending. and i have come across areas where we need to do more reforms and oversight. but in the end we have to have tanks. we have to have f-35's. we have to replace bombers. we are the world leader when it comes to free countries. america is the indispensable power for freedom. and without their leadership, the world -- china, russia and iran would be more dominant. but we have to work with allies. this should be a shared responsibility. when it comes to israel, i support israel 100%. 1400 people were murdered by hamas. they raped a nine-month pregnant woman and cut the baby out of her while she was alive. so, so many people have been brutally murdered and tortured. and 250 people could not.

-- kidnapped. so israel has no other choice to go in and do as much damage as they can. hamas report on how many people are killed. i think much of it is propaganda. the other day they showed a picture of dead palestinians, supposedly, then these guys got up and walked away. it was fake. there is propaganda here. but as general sherman said, war is hell. hamas, they are putting thei missiler launchers and command centers within hospitals, schools. so this is a tough fight. the war crimes are on hamas. if you put the missile launchers on top of a school, and command center under a hospital, it's war crimes. israel is doing their best. i believe that they believe in

the laws of war. they will try to avoid casualties, but in the end they have to destroy hamas. you cannot have a neighbor in gaza that is dedicated to murdering all of the jews. that is the mission of hamas. they want to kill as many jews as they can. so i stand with israel on this. host: what about the civilians, the palestinian civilians? guest: hamas already put missile launchers on top of hospitals, schools. the hady a command center under a hospital. i think that israel will do everything they can to avoid civilian casualties, but in the end if hamas is embedding themselves into the population, there's going to be deaths. i think israel will do the best they can but they will not avoid attacking hamas. hamas has to be rooted out and destroyed. host: what was your reaction to tuesday's election results? the role abortion played in ohio

and kentucky and virginia? guest: when it comes to abortion, our district in omaha, most folks in my district support restrictions on abortion between 12-15 weeks. less than that you start losing support. we had a 20 week ban in nebraska. the legislature and governor changed to 12 weeks. that is where most people are at in our district. i'm pro-life. i believe life is precious. but i realize that there are realities to how far we can go on this. i think we should be advocates for life, but you have to reflect where your citizens are at and what you represent. and i believe we are doing so in omaha. the republicans should make clear, when you look at the democrats, particularly the leadership, they support abortion on demand until birth.

they wanted zero restrictions per but we want to find where most americans are at. it should be state-by-state. at the federal level, you need 60 votes to pass pro-life legislation or pro-choice legislation come and you really cannot do so. i do not think we will beat but to do much of the federal level. nikki haley said a great last night. there's not let you can do on the abortion side at the federal level. host: