host: good morning. welcome to washington journal. a third primary debate was how nasty. president joe biden could be in trouble if the nominee is donald trump.

the race is expected to be close despite whose name is on the ballot. our question even today, what is your top issue that will help drive your choice at the ballot. democrats, we want you to call us. republicans, your number is (202) 748-8001. independent line is (202) 748-8002. you can also send a text message to (202) 748-8003. you can find us on facebook.com/c-span. we are also on x and instagram.

let's talk about some of the issues that have been raised by the various tickets going into 2024. let's hear from vice president kamala harris. she shared her thoughts after democratic victories during an off year election. here is a portion of those remarks. >> last night, i think the american people made it clear that they are prepared to stand for freedom. and for the individual freedoms and the promise of freedom in america, and by extension, democracy. if you look at it from the midterms to last night, from california to kansas, ohio to virginia -- the voters said, look, the government should not be telling a woman what to do with her body. i think voters have been clear

whether they are in a red or blue state that one does not need to abandon their faith or deeply held belief to believe that the government should not be telling a woman what to do with her body. it was a good night and we have a lot of work to do to earn our reelection, but i am confident that we will win. host: i also want to pool up the front page. i think the entire front page with various headlines highlights the various issues that are at stake. right here on the front page, it talks about the virginia house nominating at first black speaker. they were able to hold on to the majority in both chambers after that off year election.

right next to that article, you see in article about the israel/hamas conflict. revealing the depth of hamas' firepower. we also have an update on the war in ukraine, you have a library and talking about foot band and how it has affected her ability to do her job in florida. at the very top, there is an article about former president donald trump. again, our question is for you today. what is your top issue, as you consider who to support in 2024.

we are ready to take your calls right now. we will start on the republican line. caller: thank you for allowing me to talk. my biggest opinion is definitely the economy. inflation was about one point 7% and it hit 40 year highs. it is still very high. i used to work in the mortgage industry. now it is 8%. we see insanity going on at grocery stores and gas stations. they say, how can this be? the economy is fantastic. where? those are jobs that came back

that were eliminated due to the coronavirus. thank you and god bless you. host: let's go to the democratic line. caller: thank you for taking my call. i feel everything possible needs to be done to protect us. i'm concerned about social security for the elderly. i'm greatly concerned about republicans who are considering cutting social security for the elderly. host: next is joe dean shandler,

arizona, independent line. caller: my biggest issue is the border. the biden administration has invited all the people who came into the country in the last five years without any exception. there are people being departed. we, as taxpayers are forced to pay for them. i find that to be reprehensible, that our government would allow a and would subsidize it. that is probably one of my greatest concerns, going into the 2024 election.

host: the border and the fentanyl crisis were also a topic in the debate. >> i was speaking to a dad. his son was not a drug addict. he took a pill that happened to be laced with fentanyl and it was a fatal overdose. the pain of losing a child is as bad as it gets, but the salt in the wound is that those in d.c. do not care about what is going on in the country. they do not care that we have opioid deaths. they are not taking the type of action that we need them to. stopping the invasion and even building a portable and having mexico pay for it. mexico is not going to hand over

money. we are going to designate the cartels foreign terrorist organizations or something similar to and authorize the use of deadly force. i will tell you this, if someone in the drug cartels is seeking drugs across the border while i am present, that is the last thing they will do. i will shoot them stone cold dead. host: let's go to eddie now, democratic line. caller: how are you doing, c-span? i think four years of trump again hello? host: we hear you. go ahead. caller: we have to get back

rain. we will have more problems, more than just blaming and bashing our old president. biden helped us out so much. the reason i'm talking about it is because he help. i can look at my bank account and see that -- i just see him back in office. it would be terrible. i'll be here -- all people here is problem after problem. when they talk about it, they took a lot of programs off.

they cut medicaid and social security. i will -- i would vote for joe biden again before i voted for any republican. host: this collar is a pits. , pennsylvania. caller: good morning. my concern is that the u.s. has invested so much and since a much over to ukraine. i file that needs to be trimmed back and eventually eliminated.

i do not think we should be constant the supporting a country, unless we have actually adopted ukraine and they have become one of our states, i do not feel like more investment is needed. we need to start reflecting and pulling our investment back into our infrastructure here in the u.s. there are 70 things that are breaking down and it just needs more attention on us, here in america, instead of possibly focusing on so many other things at one time.

it is not easy to do and it is not possible to do, not with our economy and the condition that it is in right now. host: david, we appreciate your call this morning. kyla is on the republican line. caller: thank you so much for taking my call. i'm calling about gaza and the genocide happening there. a friend of mine brought up a good point, that we could call the consulates from the countries on october 27 two voted in the lane in to call -- i do not want to say a cease-fire, but mexico and a lot

of countries called to into hostilities in gaza, recognizing that israel -- if we could all just call the consulate in the u.n. that was saying this and try to encourage them to invoke a genocide convention, i think that is what i am kind for this month. host: all right. kyla mentioned the war in gaza. there is an article from rolling stone that specifically talks about young activists and how it is causing a risk in their

support for president joe biden, knowing that usually young voters tend to vote for democrats. but here is the article. that is the message from several groups. this as the president continues his wholesale support of the continued assault on gaza. they represent mildly divergent interest groups but many say that the gaza attack is galvan easing young americans on a scale that they have not seen before. biden has an opportunity to listen to the majority of people in this country calling for him to call for a cease-fire. we are seeing immense risk

around whether young people will feel alienated head of the election and risk staying home. the political director for a political action group that advocates around climate policy. that is about the gaza war over u.s. policy towards israel. let's talk to jeannie in kansas. caller: can you hear me? i am 100% going to vote on the abortion issue. i think it was yesterday. she was saying how horrible it was, that it was illegal. and with her. i remember what it was like. it was terrible and i do not know how we survived.

we do not talk about it, but now we do because young people need to know how dangerous this is. you get an abortion but the question is whether you will live or not. when i was young, my roommate was a nice young woman and she got pregnant. i did not know her well but i came home and there was blood everywhere. she was crying and she would not let me call a doctor. she would rather die than to let her parents know that she was pregnant. she lived, but so many other women did not. i had an abortion when it was legal, and the doctor that gave me my abortion said the reason he did is because when he was young and an intern, there was a

young girl who came to the hospital and he could not save her life. he had to tell her family that their beloved daughter and granddaughter was dead, and she was pregnant. can you imagine a funeral? can you imagine the funeral? this is what happened all the time. and i am one of the reasons why -- i mailed 1000 postcards by hand and i wrote out every single one. i said, i am 70 a and i had a legal abortion. when i was young, my roommate almost died from a botched abortion. this is important for women. the. vote democrat. thank you for taking this call. my reputation is ruined and i don't care. host: tracy, on the republican

line in kentucky. you are on. caller: there is plan b. why don't we talk about that? i think if there is an issue in the mall won't make it, i think that is fine as well. host: we appreciate your call. david in rochester, pennsylvania. caller: good morning. i called to give you a complaint. you let that man go on about brandon. host: please focus on what your question is. caller: i watched you for years. host: i appreciate your call,

david. republican line. caller: good morning. my main issue with the government right now is the selfishness of each party. why won't they come together and vote for the majority of the people? the right wing nuts and the right wing -- left wing nuts are not taking care of what should be done in this country. they should be so ashamed of themselves. every time a bill is passed along one-party line, both sides have failed. shame on them. host: all right. let's go to the democratic line. caller: good morning. thank you. my main issue would be

positively engage citizenship. i emphasize that because every day, each of us are in a fight. we are going to fight for our beliefs but by praising this term -- someone who has lived 60 plus years, every day we are either in a fight for something we believe in, we are coming from that fight or reflecting on what impact we had, recognizing that there is something important to our nation and to the global environment that we want to live in. finally, some of us refuse to fight, who just want to sit on the sideline and stay they will

figure it out. we have to remain positively engaged. host: thank you, anthony, for your call. let's look at some of the responses on social media. the top issue is the cost of living. jersey girl says, my top issue is stopping the march of fascism. michael says, the rising rates of health care and property insurance is his top issue. the question for you today is, as you look forward to the election, what is your top issue?

you can also send us a tt message. back to the phone lines we go. connecticut, republican line. caller: i always believed in freedom of choice, then i realized there were 750 to 900,000 abortions a year. when people my age were having abortions -- is there no way to educate people to do something? i asked about the delivery table where they eliminate the child and i think it was planned parenthood's -- parenthood who said it is only 1%.

that is a lot of babies being killed at birth. there are 70 things going on. i just get so tired of the abortion issue. the supreme court gave it back to the states. both parties should leave it there. host: all right. our last caller mentioned abortion. as we heard earlier in the program, that was a winning issue on the ballot in ohio on tuesday. it was also in undertone for democratic victories in kentucky, virginia -- i want to bring up this article by the associated press. it says after ohio votes advocates in dozens of states are trying to put abortion on the 2024 ballet. i'm going to throw down a little bit.

the amendment protecting the right to abortion and other forms of reproductive health care -- those on both sides of the issue are looking at how they can get support on 2024 ballet. the 1973 decision that has protected abortion voted in all seven states to hold access. that includes ohio. constitutional amendments to protect access are already on the ballot for 2024 in maryland and new york. again, for those who have mentioned abortion, it is

something that could be on the ballot in some states, in 2024. let's go back to the phone lines to hear more about your top issue. calling from newport news, virginia. caller: good morning. i have three issues in the first is about abortion. i believe that abortion is the right were concerned, and should be between god and females. secondly, my second one is about the constitution and the ideology that we have. we are here today.

we have come along long way to history. some things that we are talking about should be demolished. the supreme court and the ban on guns -- determining who is dangerous and who is not. danger -- it takes a person coming to a point. that is an anger problem within that person. in the home, with a gun, where the violence takes place. my concern is about gun issues,

abortion and outdated constitution. they argued day after day. next up is joel in austin, texas. my comment is that the top issue for me is abortion, followed by marijuana legalization, followed by gun right and the debt. we have to stop spending so much money, it might help with the cost of living, which is expensive.

next up is robin. robin, are you with us? hello, -- go ahead, robin. my biggest concern -- caller: my biggest concern is the border. we need to do something about it. i'm tired of the talking and nothing getting done. we need to all be independent and able to support what we have in our country. the resources that we have, we need to be independent. we need biden to allow our companies to produce and to havel we need to be

self-sufficient in our country. the other thing is to take care of our people in the u.s. the mental condition of people where they are taking their guns, going into school and bowling alleys. you do not share about this as much as you do in the u.s. it is pathetic that we do not have the right programs in place so that those with mental conditions who need help with different psychologists -- i had a friend who she -- who shot himself. we need to keep care of our own people. we need to pay attention to what is going on with other people, and other countries. look at the men who have served

our country out on the street and how the war has affected them. we need to be self-sufficient and we need to worry about american people. we need to stop being so divided. i'm sick and tired of people in washington. they need to get their act together and need to get along with american people. host: a lot of callers have mentioned economy under president joe biden. let's watch the video of him speaking to autoworkers, touting the economic gains from the administration. president biden: we have the

lowest inflation rate of any major economy in the entire world. we have more to do. but the economy grew 4.9% last year. more people are working today than ever in the u.s. unemployment has been under 4%. inflation has come down two thirds since last summer, and it will come down more. wages are going up. it is a fancy way of saying that medium health -- health weld -- we have more to do. we are building an economy that works. we look at all of you and i see real heroes.

you and the mac -- you are the american worker, the american people. i mean this from the bottom of my heart. host: that was president joe biden speaking to autoworkers about the state of the economy under his administration. we are asking you to weigh in. before we get back to the phone lines, i want to bring up a few more responses that we are receiving on social media.

we will stop right there for now. let's go to andrew in eaton ohio. what is your top issue for 2024? caller: my number one issue is going to be the asia-pacific environment. there is no better time to talk about it right now with the summit in san francisco. we see a bunch of calls for palestinian rights, but we do not really hear much about the genocide happening in china for the last 10 years. when you look at event, the blueprint for event and the occupation, oppression of the murder -- that is a blueprint

that they have followed and we will see that across the entire asian world. they are doing what the japanese army did and saying it is all part of asia. we are dragging our feet. i love seeing strong support for ukraine. i am pro-israel, but we cease to people turning a blind eye to the genocide, and we see corporate sponsors taking money. it is up to our politicians -- it is up to us as workers to stand up for what we believe. america is about democracy, about keeping genocide from happening.

the number one issue will be national security in asia and national security in north america security firms being co-opted in mexico city and order security. host: andrew, i think got your point. that meeting will be happening this week. this is an article about that upcoming meeting as well as leaders from various countries. he is also planning on meeting

with xi jinping on wednesday in san francisco. that is the meeting joe will be attending. in georgia now, and on the republican line. caller: my concern is that everything is going to be like a domino effect. this hasn't happened in many years and it is happening now. all of these things will be affecting us with our children growing up and seeing what is happening. and it is happening now. all the dangerous situations like people robbing businesses and stuff like that.

it will cause us to have to sell our homes. you will have officers outnumbered. the situation with police officers it will be a huge domino effect. schools will be closing, stuff like that. at the same time, i do not feel like it is right for us -- i'm not saying it is not right to help, but why is the responsibility falling on a? maybe let it rotate. people with low money, families

have to be in one household just to make it because tax rates are going up so high that it is hard to buy food. they do not even go by what you are spending on your bills. they do not calculate your mortgage or your rent. you do not qualify for. host: all right, gabriel. let's go to valerie now, calling on the democratic line. what is your top issue in 2024? caller: my top issue is abortion rights. i live in ohio.

i remember as a child, learning and never thinking i would be voting to get some of that back. it is my rights. that is a big issue for me. i wanted to touch on the genocide that is happening with the palestinians and that is another big issue. i'm not even sure that i will vote. but those are extremely important issues to me right now. free palestine. thank you. have a great day. host: valerie mentioned abortion as one of her top issues. abortion was also a big issue discussed at the debate.

>> i would have a 15 week national limit. i would not allow states like california, illinois or new york to have abortion up until the day of birth. i would not allow for governors were former governors who talked about infanticide. we need a 15 week federal limit. three out of four americans agree with the limit. i would challenge them to join me. it is in our nation's best interest. it is unethical and immoral to allow abortions up until the day of birth. we have an opportunity to stop the reckless behavior from

states like california, new york and illinois. we start by talking about funding and resources. we should support and adoption. there are ways to say that we stand with you. we should not just be pro-life before the child is born but after the child is born just as much. >> i would support anything that would save more babies and support more moms. i appreciate that he keeps calling me out for this, but lindsey graham sponsored it. you did not even cosponsor the bill and when you are first interviewed on this, he would not even say that you refer 15 weeks. let's see what we can agree on.

i will sign anything where we can get 60 senate votes, but do not let the american people think that you are going to push something on them when we do not even have the votes in the senate. host: that was an exchange during last week's republican primary debate. more of the cause about what are the top issues heading into the 2024 election. next is melissa in florida. caller: my number one issue is preserving democracy. we have a governor who has forcefully made unilateral decisions that come between parents and their children,

especially parents and their children. it limits our freedoms and also, public money is unaccountable. we have strong sunshine laws in florida. we the people cannot know what is going on. we have basically one-party rule in florida. i understand what it is and the truth is, if we do not support american democracy, all of these other things that we are talking about become a moot point. some strongman and the people that follow him and our

governor, that is what we will have in america. if they are doing the things you like, you will be happy for a time, but if they are doing things that you do not like or to the family -- to the people that you love, you will not like is the much. i will be casting my vote for democracy as an american, with deep love for my country. host: earl is calling on the republican line. caller: i just cannot decide. i know one thing, why does he lie to us? that is what i cannot understand. if anybody can tell -- kill a baby, they can kill anybody. lord have mercy, if they cannot

correct that. host: let's go to the democratic line. geneva is calling from missouri. caller: yes. hello. my name is geneva and i'm calling about keeping donald trump off of the ballot for 2024. we do not need no more dictators in this world. there is enough. abortion, it is our right. it is our body. we have to pay the price for our bodies and it is our right. it is nobody's right to take that away.

host: all right, geneva. calling from oak grove, missouri now, mike on the independent line. caller: i want to say thank you to all the veterans who defended our country and have given us democracy. and like my dad and my brother, my alcohols, and all the other great people in this country, donald tmp says they are idiots and crazy for defending our great country. to all the peo hollering about the economy, dorump inherited a roaring, beautiful economy. joe biden inherited no economy.

if it was not for joe biden in the democrats, we would have no economy at all right now. thank you for taking my call. anybody who thinks that -- host: i do want to try to read a few more of our social media responses that we are receiving today. immigration and the failure to otect our borders. i'm tired of these people from south america who refuse to learn english you still want american jobs and benefit. learn the language or stay home. a text message saying that top issue is partisan politics rendering our government dysfunctional.

the necessitybringing them under control. michael then weiser says a government shutdown is approaching. secondly, we can talk about the rise in anti-semitism in the u.s. and he goes on. one more. joe, says stop the violence in gaza. we want to go back to the phone lines. let's go back. james is on the republican line. james? go ahead. what is your top issue for the day? caller: i would like to know

what our country is doing. about 85,000 children are missing and what are we doing about the people coming across the border that are going to destroy us? if one out of 100 has something on their mind, thank you, joe biden. host: next cent is charles in tennessee. caller: my number one issue is women's rights. number two is social security. and in ukraine, everybody is forgetting about it. russia will control 40% of the

market when they do that, but women better get out and vote. social security and women's rights will be gone. but i appreciate the young women the other day you said, please start doing this. women's rights have more at stake and young girls -- thank you people very much. host: let's go to syracuse, new york now. stephanie is on the independent line. caller: my big issues are corruption and money. the next one would be but is

going on in palestine. a lot of money for warriors, but cannot feed the poor. freedom of speech. a lot of people not being able to express their personal views. the last point would be the price of food, inflation, taking care of big business and not the american people. host: dennis is calling from grayson bill. what is the issue? caller: i think you people are doing -- i think you are giving us a voice.

just to get on some things about the southern border, there are people coming across and then there are terrorists. some of these people are not coming here for the right thing. they are letting them study come. getting $2200 a month. american veterans are sleeping on the street. i just know -- i do not know what biden was thinking about. it is not that good. people are getting two jobs to get by. the price of everything is up.

it is ridiculous that we are footing the bill. there was no war. people were backing up from him. i'm voting for trump. have a good day. host: i want to bring up a usa today article, barely getting by. why the economy is the top issue . i will scroll down just a little bit to get some of the meat of the story. many voters such as mcdonough, who say that the economy is a top concern have raised questions about the ability to lead in the second term. some say he is too old and others say he is out of touch with how americans are struggling. 41% of those surveyed said biden

and 52% said they would bank on former president donald trump almost 50% of those surveyed said they believe the u.s. economy is in either a recession or a depression. that is from usa today on the economy. let's take more of your calls. go ahead. caller: the problem is that we are spending, trying to help them, but what we are not doing is taking care of people at home. host: all right. let's hear from alan in

wisconsin, the independent line. caller: the top issue by far is student loans. everybody out there who does not have student loan, you probably need to forget everything you need -- you think you need -- you think you know about them. $10 billion. it is created as an air. 10 billion a month being sucked out of the states and sent to washington dc. both parties have completely failed the people on this. the democrats pretend that they want to help, but the democrats blatantly betrayed the citizens last session when they had all the power they needed. student loans --

host: let's go to port charlotte, florida. caller: i've been waiting so long to talk to you guys. the only thing i want to say, since i was a little boy, i've been a story about david and goliath. host: all right. let's read a couple more to close out the hour. her top issue is who supports genocide and to does not? we will be ending it there. we are going to come back. political strategists from both parties.

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inside the multiracial, populist coalition remaking the gop." we will also be talking about president trump, campaign 2024. good morning, patrick. thank you so much for joining washington journal. so tell us about your background and your role within the republican party. guest: i started my career about 20 years ago working for the second president bush, and it really i think framed when i wrote this book, i was just as surprised as anybody by the rise of donald trump in 2016. not necessarily that he was able to capture a large chunk of the primary electorate, that didn't surprise me, but the fact that he was able to ultimately win that election. as somebody who came from a more old-school version of the republican party, it caused me to reassess a number of things.

i was part of those discussions around that republican autopsy report that talked about a number of things, that talked about that potter -- parties need to modernize, parties need to appeal to new demographics and new constituencies. and famously i recommended that the party in order to diversify an appeal to hispanic voters and voters of color that it needed to go all in for ideas like comprehensive immigration reform. lo and behold you have donald trump emergence, does the opposite and wins, and he wins with a more diverse type of republican coalition and in a 2020 doesn't win the election but he wins a more diverse coalition. my argument is that there is something that earlier generation of republicans missed

in terms of the appeal of populism to more diverse segments of the electorate. host: and i want to get into that with you but i do want to go ahead and let our viewers know they can start calling in now with questions for our republican strategist who is our pastor this morning, -- guest this morning or comments about the upcoming presidential election. democrats, your line is (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. you can also send us a text message at (202) 748-8003. go ahead and start calling in now. we'll get to those calls in just a moment. so we've been talking about your book. i want to read an excerpt that i think sums up the premise, so you writewe were not as surprised by the outcome o 2020 election. joe biden won in election he was

widely expected to but the margin was much closer than anticipated. the reascame within a hair of a second trump term was an unexpected surge of te voters, particularly hispanic voters his way. suddenly the new republican multiracial one.on was a this was not at all but i had expected in 2016 when i saw trump throwing away the hispanic vote for a generation which is kind of what you just mentioned. but i want to ask you, what is the premise of your book as far as are you suggesting ways to build the coalition? tell us more about how your book builds upon what you've studied and learned about 20 and those results. guest: yes. to take a step back to 2016, we see how trump is able to appeal

to white, working-class voters in a way that previous republicans had not been able to in states like michigan, pennsylvania and wisconsin. many people were surprised in that election, certainly not the surge that we saw with white working-class voters, and he doesn't really do worse with hispanic voters in that election. that suggests to me there was at least an undercurrent in the community. they might prefer a populist republican, antiestablishment republican, the kind that they were getting before trump. and what i would say is in 2020, you see issues like immigration kind of receive -- received a little bit further into the background.

the covid-19 lockdown, policing and crime is a big issue in 2020. and you really see trump make significant progress with hispanic voters and also gain a few points of the african-american vote. and this is after his widely acknowledged mishandling of the george floyd protest. he had a message that resonated more with those. he didn't necessarily win those communities, that is not my argument. but he was able to assemble more and more of them in a coalition that is primarily a working class coalition. you also see the democrats are becoming a more college-educated coalition. that is very different than i think the historical pattern reaching these artist in the 20th century. democrats were this party of the people, the party of blue-collar workers. republicans were seen at this party of the rich and business

and out of touch with many mainstream economic concerns. that is well on its way to being flipped. host: let's get to the phone lines now because we're starting to get calls in. first we will go to david in maryland on the democratic line. what is your question or comment? caller: -- host: david, are you with us? dave, dave. caller: sisi, somebody is -- host: we are going to have to get back to dave in a minute. with go to sydney, new york, republican line. >> thank you very much for taking my call. i would like to ask the republican strategist, i am a republican myself, and i keep telling people, when i the

republicans going to let the women know that the supreme court did not take the rights away from abortion, but they kicked it onto the states? and until the women get to realize that it was not the wicked did it, that did not take abortion away, it is just to the individual state, we are going to keep having problems. i would like to see what his strategy for that would be. host: patrick, your thoughts? guest: he's right that that was a major shift on kicking it back to the states. we are now seeing a number of those states voting to restore russian rights in deep red states like ohio. there is certainly the argument that this is a much more democratic idea, returning the decision to the people. you had different states go in different directions. now we've had seven referenda in the pro-choice side winning

seven of those. so substantively i don't think we've seen as big of a shift as people may have expected in terms of access to abortion. host: i want to ask you a little bit more about that. republicans for years, particularly under the trump administration campaign on reshaping supreme court in hopes of overturning roe v. wade. that happened. it kicked it back to the states. as are publicans of the time wanted, because they hoped in red states were republicans were in control that there would be limitations on abortion. we saw that any lot red states, and what we are seeing now is in states where there were valid referendums to perhaps limit or reverse what some of those conservative states had done, as

ballot initiatives, for example in ohio, were successful. do you think that there is a challenge going into 2024 where there are states where republicans are in control -- look at virginia -- where abortion might soften their power in states where voters are rejecting that? guest: we did see abortion as an issue in the 2022 midterms, but primarily in the states where the actual issue is on the ballot, states like michigan. we did not really see i think a decisive difference-maker in electing democrats in other states. there were other issues like the election denial that certainly way down republicans from making more gains. but the presence of abortion on the ballot in the state, and we've seen this in ohio and other states, there is a real

question as to whether or not a presidential election year, when interest is extremely high and most people are turning out, both sides will have a strong turnout for the presidential election, whether or not democrats for the progressive side would be able to reshape the presidential year electorate in the same way that they've been able to reshape these off your electorates. host: the tear from diane now, calling from syracuse, new york on the independent line. caller: yes, good morning. i am an immigrant from a family that escaped -- during world war i. that basically just because they were from czechoslovakia, they would have been slaughtered like the jewish people.

that is just a prelude to my question and my objection to -- i've been voting republican more than democrat because of how the democrats stand up and hakeem jeffries, they almost treat him like an emperor or a king. and also they review or revisit on c-span the policies on what was happening to the campus, palestine students probably are getting some horrible treatment also, that i was ashamed and appalled at to the democratic -- i won't say what i want to say, when they got there five minutes to ask questions they stood up and our person was censored for this, that, didn't even address these people on the panel,

especially the college students. and then another one stood up and it is just appalling to me that they use that form to get their negative speaking points and to inflame people. it is just so appalling and so i'm just wanting to get that statement out because it is not right. if they are coming to address what is happening to the jewish population, especially the children on campus because they still our children. and they use it. host: let's let patrick respond. guest: there was a number out the other day that showed about 70% of the hate crimes in new york city were now directed at jewish people. i believe that was up from 20% a year ago. so this vitriol that is being

spewed on campus but also off-campus is very sad to see, but i don't think you see this, i think muslims, for instance, were only 8%. there is something very unique and disturbing about what is happening with these hate crimes right now. host: all right, let's hear from ruth now. ruth is calling from illinois, independent line. guest: it is peaking, illinois. i just wondered, america has become so immoral and they do not know anything about god anymore. and donald trump, he did not

pander to blacks, but he had six black pastors that stood up for him, and he also put $10 million the black colleges, which joe biden didn't do, barack obama didn't do. no one has ever done that. host: i think we lost ruth but i think the point of her comments you can get. can you respond to that donald trump coalition, outreach to black voters? guest: you are right that traditionally the republican party has not been seen as a party of five voters and they have a tremendous hill to climb, quite frankly. i right that this is not necessarily like -- there's maybe been a few points of progress in terms of republicans winning a more points here and

there, but it is still kind of the missing piece of this coalition that i think we will see now. specifically, trump and republicans have been doing better among a younger demographic that may be did not come of age during the civil rights era. so you see trump and republicans getting upwards of 20% of the african-american vote among younger black men, so there are signs that they are breaking through in some areas, but it is nowhere near what we see with hispanic voters today. host: so i want to bring up a question and comment we received on twitter that i think is worth exploring. jersey girl writes how exactly is trump a populist? he govern as a plutocrat, he aspires to anutocracy.

that is what we will get if he is reelected. he never once identifi himself as president of all the people. he considers himself to represent only those who voted for him. i think a lot of people, how would you consider him a populist? can you explain? guest: just in terms of stylistically. i write a lot about the fact that while the policies make a big difference, that a lot of the reaction to donald trump was really just in many ways a visceral response to his personality, the way he speaks at rallies and how just completely different that is from what you would hear from any other kind of politician. i think that that has had both positive for him, it has rallied new voters to his side. it has also turned some people

away, particularly in the suburbs, among these college-educated demographics. it is not without this cost. but specifically, people are right to point out that actually, trump pursued a very large tax cut and that cut corporate taxes, that really reflected the priorities of kind of the old-school republican party. and yet did that -- that did not make a difference in terms of either increasing voter support among those higher income voters or decreasing and among working-class voters in the 2020 election. voters were focused elsewhere, focused on cultural issues, focused on perhaps some of the personality differences that they are seeing between the candidate. trump's style, willingness to seemingly blow up the political establishment, but i would say in one issue area specifically,

things have changed in terms of the republican focus, and that is on this idea, the focus on trade and globalization. he has had a very different perspective on it than i think most democrats and republicans before him. host: and when we talk about trump populism which i just think that this is so interesting, i think a lot of people when you hear the word populist, you think popularity. because trump is polarizing in a lot of ways, it's like, how can you consider him a populist? can you explain what that means? guest: historically that has had a variety of definitions but is mostly defined by a really strongly antiestablishment position in both of these parties. you know, you have certain positions that i think let's say

the political elite in both parties has stood up historically for free trade. politically has not really questioned the need for globalization and at least from trump's point of view, that you have these kind of sacred cows, you really see that focus. trump railed against let's say globalism. he rails against kind of the elite in both parties, right? so historically there happen people on the left to have been more populist. bernie sanders is more of a populist and joe biden would be. you've had people historically throughout history, somebody who said i'm going to bring the perspective of the common man into and many ways reflect the common man's disdain for

political establishments. whichever side that is. host: let's go back to the phone lines, continue our conversation. as a reminder, if you are a democrat, we want you to call us at (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independent, (202) 748-8002. you can also text message us at (202) 748-8003. dallas, texas, david is calling on the democratic line. caller: thank you for taking my call. your guest at the implication of the populist personality, was spot on. i'm getting a little nervous here. my concern is how trump can get

all of these people who, in my experience, the average person, specifically what has trump done to help you? the response that i get is he is just the best president that we've ever had. once again that speaks directly to that populist perspective that you got. if your guest could speak to how it is only the poor states, for the most art, alabama, georgia, mississippi, north dakota, south dakota. the states that, as i understand, have very little education level. and then when these people speak to trump, they can't go to specific policies, they take a blanket statement that he is just the best president we've ever had. and i'd just like to make an observation to your caller who mentioned that abortion rights have now been sent down to the state level. well at one point it was

nationwide, and abortion was illegal throughout the united states, so states like alabama and mississippi could take a woman's rights away. so let's just put that right up front and not sugarcoat it. but one more thing, i'm a veteran and i think when you guys have veterans:, it would be a good idea to ask that veteran what unit they were with in the military because i heard one of your people call in saying they were a veteran in the marine corps who was a lieutenant colonel got out a sergeant, and that is just absolutely wrong on all branches of service. thank you for taking my call. host: thank you, david, for calling in. patrick, he gave you a lot to unpack. guest: first of all, thank you for your service. i do think you are spot on about -- i think many voters across the spectrum aren't always focused on the micro details, microscopic details of what

different candidates are proposing. i think trump is somebody who certainly projects a lot of confidence about himself, about his own abilities. not just making statements about everything was great and fantastic when i was president in everything from the middle east to the economy, the two dollar gas. i think it lands to from the. joe biden wouldn't make the same argument. and people by and large haven't believed his arguments about biden now mx.. if part of that is the way he carries himself, these candidates are only separated by about four years in age, so it is kind of a little bit disingenuous to say biden's age problem, but trump's age is not a problem. but not when you look at, i think, the energy level.

and the confidence level that i think trump is able to project. i think he seems like someone who has a lot younger, frankly, then the president is. that is why he has been able to have success, i think, even heading into 2024. host: back to the phone lines, jerry in georgia, republican line. caller: hello, good morning. i have a question about unions, and i'm a little ignorant on this, but i'm wondering why unions have the power to spend all their money to support the democrats when the republicans have a lot of the people that are union members, they get the votes but they don't get the power.

anyway, i hope you understand my question. host: unions, they do typically support democrats. guest: that's right, the union leadership have recently supported democrats. the uaw picket line, joe biden going to a uaw picket line, the first time a president has gone to a picket line. but in some sense, that think more like a throwback to the way the democratic party may have been in the 1970's and 1980's. when the focus was on union members. when union membership was a lot larger in the country than it is now. so in 1979, the uaw peaked at 1.5 million members. during its most recent strike, only about 300,000 members. you saw joe biden go to a picket line and it wasn't this boisterous scene, it was maybe like 20 people around him.

and that just kind of reflects the overall diminished power i think of labor unions in the electorate not just overall, but in terms of their political power. but there really has been emerging a split between the union leadership, which again, still strongly in the democratic camp and the rank and file that has been shifting more and more over into republican camp. host: our next caller is steve, federal way washington, independent line. caller: good morning and thank you for c-span. i wonder if the guest would comment on the project 2025 by the american enterprise institute and a number of other think tanks. and my question would be in light of the number of think

tanks and individuals behind that project, if it matters which republican might become president. and the second question would be, what does he think the impact of the implementation of that plan would be on our country? and my third question, why is nobody talking about it? host: and before i let you respond, just in case there are viewers and listeners who aren't familiar with project 2025, that steve just referred to, i want to read a little bit from a washington post article from a week or so ago. the headline, trump and allies plot revenge, justice department control in a second term?

and then i will scroll down and read a little bit from this article. if this donald trump and his allies have been mapping out specific plans for using the federal government to punish critics and opponents should he win a second term with the former president naming individuals he wants to investigate or prosecute and his associates drafting plans to potentially invoke the insurrection act on his first day in office to allow him to deploy the military against civil demonstrations. it's as much of the planning for a second term has been unofficially outsourced to a partnership of right-wing think tanks in washington dubbed project 2025. the group is developing a plan to include deploying the military domestically under the insurrection act, according to a person involved in those conversations and internal communications reviews by the washington host. the law last updated in 1871

authorized resident to void the military for domestic law enforcement. so that is in the background about project 2021. back to you, patrick, what are your thoughts about this? guest: that might be a narrow view of what that project is about. you go back to 2016 when from assumed power unexpectedly and did not have to republican establishment behind him, did not fully have very much of a policy infrastructure at all going in, and you saw things seeming pretty disorganized and pretty haphazard. so i harken back to the first week of his administration lamenting this very ham-handed attempt to shut down travel, the travel ban. there is really no forethought that went into that. it was chaotic and frankly backfired. they later refined that policy,

but it was something were because they did not have any kind of infrastructure whatsoever, this extended to issues like the health care debate and what to do with obamacare. there was really no plan. republicans have had several votes to dismantle obamacare. there is really no plan whatsoever to do it. they tried to do it and it causes this huge, massive political headache. so i do think that this is in a number of different policy areas , from the economy to health care to a number of different -- at least that is my understanding of it, to have a little bit more about cohesive roach to these issues. host: so you said you are a veteran of george h w bush -- george w. the younger bush president, george w. bush. correct me if i'm wrong, how

unusual is it for this transition plan to be an outside coalition? you said donald trump arrived in office and didn't really have a transition plan in place. was that the same thing that w arrived without a plan, and diddy expect -- it seems different. guest: everything around donald trump in 2016 was extremely chaotic. chris christie with the head of the team but was undercut by jared kushner and a number of other people did not really have the authority and the focus, whereas other democrats and republicans who have assumed the presidency have had an outside focus. i do think that there is a formal presidential transition that is initiated by a candidate or a nominee, and they have a team, but it is not uncommon i think for there to be kind of a shadow infrastructure of think

tanks, the government in waiting, let's say. you had that with the center for american progress on the democratic side. you had it with aei and heritage on the republican side. host: and before we get back to the phone lines, we've been talking a lot about donald trump, populism, his vision. should he be elected to a second term? this is him speaking wednesday in florida, highlighting his plans if you are reelected focusing on ration, education, immigration and investigating the biden family. from: under cricket joe biden the economy is floundering, families are suffering in the largest growth industry in our country by far his government. the only thing that is growing. when i'm reelected we will stop joe biden's inflation disaster, we will rebuild the greatest economy in the history of the world. will do it.

and unlike ron desantis, i will always protect social security and medicare. you want to do bad things to it for our great senior citizens. and when i get back into the oval office, i will totally obliterate the deep state. we started with comey, we got rid of him. we got rid of a lot of bad people. we will route out the corruption, bribery and influence in our nations capital and we will start by exposing every last crime committed by crooked joe biden, because now that he indicted me, we are allowed to look at him. but he did real bad things. we will restore law and order to our communities, and i will direct a completely overhauled doj to investigate every marxist prosecutor in america for their illegal, racist and reversed enforcement of the law.

on day one, i will sign a new executive order to cut that are a funding for any school pushing critical race theory, transgender insanity and other in rubbery at racial, sexual or political content onto our children. and i will not give one penny to any school that has a vaccine mandate or a mask mandate. host: again, that was former president donald trump during his rally on wednesday. let's bring it back to you and your research, patrick. when we hear from trump the way his populist speeches, how does it appeal to the multiracial coalition you talk about in your book? and also, the more traditional, stereotypical republican voter who is kind of white and conservative? guest: i think that you have a number of issues.

from law enforcement, and to some extent, the social issues, where there is a big divide among democrats between the white, college-educated real democrat that holds very down the line, progressive decisions across all of these areas. so you look at the polling on the issue of defunding the police in 2020, and there was a 2-1 majority for reducing police funding among democrats who were white and college-educated. among black democrats there was a 2-1 majority against decreasing police funding, which was a different one than the conventional wisdom about how that issue would play out. so there are just a number of -- the democratic party is really a coalition.

you have ideological liberals and often times, people of color who are more moderate in their political position. and what you saw in 2020 was more people who were moderate and conservative kind of switch as a result because of the issues and the way that trump was talking about the issues. host: let's go back to the phone lines. we are talking with patrick, a republican strategist who also wrote a book. i want to read your book title one more time. the title of the book is "party of the people: inside the multiracial, populist coalition remaking the gop." and you can call with a question for patrick or your comment. democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. let's go to cleveland, ohio.

michael is on the democratic line. caller: yes, good morning. i was going to ask a quick question regarding the ohio question. is joe biden the duly elected president of the united states, no rigging, no stealing? guest: i would agree with that. caller: thank you. now going into ohio, this past referendum everybody knows about, previously a referendum to limiting -- eliminating gerrymandering. republicans before the 2022 republicans in the ohio house and senate had a plan and a matter of fact, they were rejected by a bipartisan

committee to support justices, and get the time ran out, we just went with the last thing. error officials -- are officials really duly elected that they are not following the letter of the law? host: we will look patrick respond. guest: on this issue of redistricting were gerrymandering, used to be something that happened once every 10 years and now we are seeing constant revisions of the congressional maps and constant litigation. there was recently one of the house ratings services this week that the people who handicap where the house stands literally change their view which way the house would go in 2024 based on the redistricting developments in north carolina.

now both sides are actively fighting to create the most favorable maps themselves, so you have states like illinois that for instance, maps are drawn very heavily skewed in favor of democrats and you have states like north carolina where the maps are being redrawn to favor republicans. what i would say is independent of redistricting, we just have much more polarization geographically. people sorting themselves into different communities based upon being republican or democrat. so you have a lot of people moving to florida because it is a republican state, and a lot of people moving elsewhere because they are democratic states. that has really been, i think, the driving force behind why most of these congressional elections are not even close anymore.

that you have just communities that are really almost homogeneously democratic or republican. host: let's hear now from rebecca in fort smith, arkansas, republican line. color: good morning. -- caller: i am voting for donald trump, i pray to god he gets in. i'm praying for israel, we all have to stand behind israel. our country, we are being laughed at now. buying is not a good president. he is a terrible president, and i don't think we would be in this kind of mass with the border, with the wars in ukraine and israel. this wouldn't have happened under donald trump. he was commanding, he was forceful. he was a president to be feared. and he did what he said he was gonna do and all these indictments are just a joke. it's illegal, it is.

it should be. i'm voting for trump and i hope to god he wins. and all these illegal aliens over here, they are taking our social security, our disability, our money that we worked for years for, and i'm convinced there aren't any more people in these other countries because everybody is over here. and they get paid to come over here. post: rebecca, i think we got your point. he did mention in your book about immigration, and also how that seems to not be hurting trump, even though his rhetoric is pretty strong. can you talk a little bit about that? guest: the frustration that your caller just referenced is one that you are not just hearing, you are also hearing it close to the border. i went down to the border to research for this book and have

done a lot love polling, frankly, of the residents. and what you see as particularly close to the border, people are just as upset about what is happening right now in the out-of-control situation that is happening with almost 3 million people per year coming over, overrunning these communities and want a stronger for policy. host: this is anotherpt from your book. you write trump's 2020 search around recent immigrant groups mostly followed a consistent pafrom region to region. hispanics from cuba and miami, puertoans, mexicans, he won more votes with both vietnamesehinese immigrants. black folks trained it his wa by a few points once again. working-class democrats blamed on white racism in 2016 were not as easily explained away now.

how was trump able to build that coalition, particularly among latino voters, even though he's also campaigning against populists, for example, the need to build a border wall at the southern border. guest: sure. the assumption we made even as republican fact in 2012, and after the 2012 election, that particularly that issue of immigration was a toxic one which would prevent latinos from ever coming around and joining the republican party, you have trump now in a couple of elections exhibiting a very strong rhetoric on these issues. i think it is much more nuanced and complicated than what you are seeing. so number one, if you are talking about people who are voting in elections, and i really talk a lot about voting patterns, you are talking about people who are citizens of these other countries, people who have

been here increasingly for a while. prior to the current border surge, actually seen about a decade of relative quiet along the border. now, what is the occasion of that? the implication is that the people who are already here, i think you have people who have been in the country for longer, who have become more established in the country, who don't necessarily think of themselves as immigrants to the country, and you have a majority of people now in the latino zone who are second and third generation who i think probably view the current wave of migration differently, just as immigrant groups in the past have tended to view the newer immigration differently than perhaps their own situation. host: and just to stay on this topic of voters of color and

trump, this is a question we received via textessage from florida who asks at trump rallies he says he will put in a muslim ban. will that create hatred for muslims? but i also want to ask, what is your thought about trump's appeal and support among muslim voters or voters from arab nations and the like? guest: actually, it is surprising in that if you look at the precincts in detroit, the last election, the 2022 midterms, they actually voted republican by a much-increase margin. still more for democrats, but a phone for the republican candidate. there were some speculation that the abortion issue was actually something that shifted them more to the right as a lot of other people were shifting to the left.

so there's also been pulling out recently of joe biden using significant support within muslim and arab communities based upon his policies. so it is not that trump would be any less pro-israel, but it is certainly a lot of dissatisfaction right now within that community as it is very progress particularly in a state like michigan. post: go back to the phone lines again. democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independent, (202) 748-8002. mickey in rockaway park, new york, independent line. what is your question or comment? caller: i just have one comment. my only campaign issue is that

donald trump is never allowed to set foot in the white house again. that is the only issue. fascism is on the rise. fascism. especially krista fascism. -- christo-fascism. the house of representatives wanted to determine what work they can do, they want to tell people who they can love. donald trump, when he came down on a respirator that was the beginning of his destruction. donald trump knew perfectly well what he was doing just like mussolini and hitler's. he knew exactly what he was doing. if you don't have an enemy in

your country, you must manufacture one. a muslim, an immigrant, a woman. that is what i have to say. donald trump, the america and the whole world would be better off if donald trump were dead. host: we will stop there. patrick, your response to that point about donald trump notwithstanding his last comment. guest: yeah. i think he generates very strong, visceral reactions from all, and b for this from both sides. host: florence, south carolina, democratic line. caller: yes, good morning and i want to shout out to all of their veterans thank you for your service. my question is i would like to hear the speaker's thoughts on the new speaker of the house, mike johnson. and his christian, evangelical viewpoint, and his wife stating i believe god has them here for

just this time. and more specifically, i'd like your views on the separation of church and state, and the fact that mr. johnson is an election denier. thank you very much for your time. guest: so i do think that he is a very interesting figure, somebody who most people did not know 24 hours prior to him in elected speaker and third in-line to the presidency is quite an extraordinary situation that allowed him to rise so quickly within the republican party. and a law is written about maybe he represents a certain kind of conservative who very clearly is evangelical, somebody comes from that wing of the republican party. and that is interesting in the sense that donald trump, i

think, has really shifted the party in a different direction. may be made that part of the party a little bit less prominent, a little bit less powerful in shifting the focus on cultural issues from the kinds of issues and in the kind of quotes you've seen from speaker johnson now. i think that he has come in and surprised a lot of people. he has said we can't just let, despite some previous statements, we can't just let them run rampant. we need to kind of look at some support for ukraine. and i think his demeanor and his presence has been steadying and combing for republican party in the house that has been written by internal chaos and division. the way he comes across, i understand there is sort of a public narrative being developed , but the way he speaks and

comes across i think is refreshing for folks who had seen nothing but this sort of chaos coming out of the house of representatives. post: let's go to texas, now. carol is on the democrat line. caller: yes, good morning. first, i just have an observation listening to c-span every morning when democrats call in, they are concerned about people. when republicans call them, they are concerned about money and the fear of losing what they perceive is only belonging to them. and my question is, why does the republican party seemed to refuse to acknowledge that donald trump wants to become a dictator, and will they be happy if he installs himself and completely changes democracy, as he clearly wants to do? why do they seem to ignore that?

some people believe next year will be our last election if he wins. honestly, i share that fear, and thank you. guest: so i do think that this is an undercurrent. it is an undercurrent of criticism and i think that this undercurrent of belief that donald trump is a dictator or wants to be a dictator. there's a lot of misinformation right now, i think really on both sides of the political spectrum. there's no doubt that after the 2020 election, donald trump tried to advance a false narrative that the election was stolen in advance this case through the courts, and certainly with disastrous consequences on january 6 now, what happened after that? what we don't talk about it that we had 40 court rulings ruling against donald trump, and

ultimately congress moved quickly to certify the election after january 6. so you see obviously our institutions have been challenged to significantly over the last few years, but you've also seen a strong immune response from the institutions. and from the court systems, ultimately. including from trump-appointed judges who did not go along with his attempts to overturn the election in certain states, did not go along with the supreme court with the independent state legislature hearing and other things that people were speculating would allow him to win power without being duly elected. host: let's stay right there. this is a guest essay that was published in the new york times under the headline republicans have chosen nihilism. it was written by a senior fellow at the trinity forum, and

here is an excerpt of what he wrote. mr. trump is cruel and rseless, compulsive and vindictive, an accplished conspiracy theorist. d shattering moral codes.tred no other president has been as sdnful of knowledge or as untroubled bbeenade in this. no other has been as intentional not just to lie, to annihilate no other president has explicitly attempted to overtu an election and encourage an angry mob to march on the capitol. with every passing week, the former president statements e getting more deranged, more menacing, and more authoritarian. that is a very strong opinion essay in the new york times, but i want to ask you, is authoritarianism part of the

appeal to the new coalition you described in your book? is it secondary, is it essential to just donald trump populism, or is it an essential part of republican party politics in a wider sense? guest: i don't think authoritarianism is central to the republican party, if you actually look. i believe we are talking about the same person, but another bush republican served in the bush administration, and a very distinguished manner. i think this reflects again kind of a visceral reaction that people have toward donald trump, and i think the argument, we haven't mentioned a sentiment of where we are in the political environment right now. we haven't mentioned any of the other candidates for the

republican nomination. and i think that the argument, partly because donald trump is pretty far ahead in the primary right now, but i think part of the argument would be that we need a republican who can kind of take down the temperature of some of these things, for donald trump clearly galvanizes republicans, but he galvanizes democrats and galvanizes this coalition close to him. so what is going to help us ultimately to win the election is to keep the focus exclusively on the track record of the biden administration, not relitigate kind of the trump administration, and that has been the argument. it has not been one that is yet commanded a majority of the republican vote, but i think that that will be something, just the level of intensity against donald trump that we see from your callers. is that something that nikki

haley would presumably generate? host: we have the line from west virginia. caller: what i can understand is that they on the streets, but yet they treat american people like trash and they take that away from us, giving it to other countries and stuff. they don't even ask us to vote on anything, they just do what they want to do. host: any quick thoughts, patrick? guest: when you go back to the definition of populism, this idea that we are not taking care of our own. certainly, we didn't -- don't

spend very much money on foreign countries, but i think that has been a strong critique, especially now with these concerts abroad. host: republican strategist, author of the book "party of the people: remaking the gop." thank you r joining a this morning. later, the former deputy african-american outreach director in the 2008 presidential campaign for barack obama host: first, after the break, open forum. start calling in now. democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. ♪ ♪

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i will read a portion of it. it says, house republicans on saturday unveiled their stopgap funding bills to advert a government shutdown set to begin next weekend. but with just five legislative days left until the deadline, congress has little room for error. two and a half weeks into the job, speaker mike johnson, republican from louisiana, opted to go with a two-step continuing resolution or cr over a more typical funding extension covering the entire edible government. the untested funding approach is aimed at appeasing far right agitators in his gop conference who despise cr'. the house is expected to vote tuesday to give 72 hours to read the text of the bill. according to two people familiar with the matter. the plan does not include budget cuts or aid for israel. under the two-step strategy,

which johnson and others have dealt a laddered cr but which others have likened to a stepstool, several spending bills needed to keep the government open would be extended until january 19 while the remaining bills would go on a until february 2 -- a cr until february 2. we want to hear from you. what are your thoughts about politics or news of the day? we will start with anna in houston, texas, democratic line. caller: yes, good morning. host: good morning. what are your thoughts? caller: well, i would like to talk about inflation because if we do not control inflation, then we are going to have more abortion. people are not going to be able to afford a child. instead of getting more

inflation, we should have stopped that inflation. that should be the first step we should take toward our nation. host: all right, anna. let's go next to columbus, georgia. lewis is calling on the republican line. caller: yes, good morning. i would like to give a shout out to to all veterans. we thank you and we need you in this country. most of all, we need to set aside all our political differences. republican or democrat. we all american. can we just focus on being american? can you ask your country -- what can we do for our country? that is what we need. what can we do to make america

much, much greater then it is at this present time? there is too much turmoil, too much hatred, too much bitterness. we need to put some love in our hearts and make this a better place to live. god bless you all, and have a wonderful and safe day. host: all right, lewis. next up on the independent line, stopped his calling from los angeles -- scott is calling from los angeles. caller: good morning all my brothers and sisters out there. we are all children of god. it is about time we start treating each other like that. the reason i am calling in particular is because i believe that kennedy is going to be the next president of the united states. the reason i say that is not that i am an overwhelming fan, it is that most of us are in tremendous agreement that donald trump is full of it found joe

biden -- and joe biden has not done right by the american people. now, joe biden this time around has a record. i do not think it is a great one. i believe that all the polling and everything is obviously showing it. i am out here in cali, as liberal a state as it is, all people are doing is complaining about how they cannot pay their bills. there are more and more homeless people around. i do not want to focus too much on joe, because i am quite fond of him. i love a lot of the stories he tells. when you get to donald trump, obviously, he is never going to be back in the white house, ladies and gentlemen. ok? now, kennedy is getting about 22% -- in something i saw, may be a poll i saw. i am saying to myself, he gets no coverage. how do we even know he is out

there? there is going to be a green party candidate running. that is not going to help joe biden. i do not believe this third-party situation is going to really be on the ballot or make any noise, because any time you see mitt romney's name, jon huntsman's name, i do not see a tremendous amount of enthusiasm for these folks. host: all right. scott, i am going to stop you there. we got your point about robert kennedy junior. let's go to beverly in casper, wyoming, democratic line. caller: i think why we have all this chaos is because all the republicans keep saying that trump is the president. now, that makes a lot of confusion for the people that have no honor for presidents.

i have honored the president, but when trump did not get his behind out of office in royalty of giving the rings to biden, this is why all the chaos is happening. everybody have a blessed day. i do not even know if i am being heard on c-span. thank you. host: we hear you, beverly. republican line is next. terry is calling from rogers, minnesota. caller: hi, i have a couple of quick points. first one, thank you, vets, for all you gave. you wrote a blank check and gave your life as collateral. that is something a lot of people should value more than they do. i also think this. i think that the press's

protection underlying laws have to be removed. right now, the press really is the problem. they stopped becoming public in performance, doing their duty of revealing of what is happening, not what they think is happening. just give the straight news, and that is why this country is divided. i am sorry, but look at "washington journal." you set up teams on the line, saying this is it. you call in if you are a democrat, which by the way, sets up the me against them added to the all the time every morning. host: all right, terry. let's go to tony in phoenix, arizona, independent line. caller: all right. last couple of callers i think pretty much nailed the problem. we all got to get along. this thing is going to break up.

can you hear me? host: yeah, we can hear you. go ahead, tony. caller: i think we are sleepwalking into a world war. the country is broke financially. our deficit is in the trillions of dollars. we have got homeless people. the problems everybody knows about is right here. the people keep voting for the same thing. joe biden has been voted. donald trump is tapping into the hatred of the populism. but, all empires do crumble, whether you want to call it a empire or not. we are observing our puppet, israel. that is why you've got the whole hatred of the world. we are losing the ukraine.

it just got published the ukrainians are the ones that blew up the gas line, just reported this morning in the washington post. mainstream. so, i think we better pull it back in and take care of the people here and stop trying to take over the world. the people here are suffering. host: all right. tony just mentioned this morning's washington post. i am showing the front page of this morning's washington post. the headline that tony just referred to says, ukraine is tied to pipeline attack. i will read a little bit from the first paragraph of the article. it says, a senior ukrainian military officer was d tied to the country services, played a central role in the bombing of the nord stream natural gas pipeline last year according to officials in ukraine and elsewhere in europe, as well as

other people knowledgeable about the details of the covert operation. the officers role provides the most direct evidence to date, tying ukraine's military and security leadership to a controversial act of sabotage that has spawned multiple criminal investigations in that u.s. and western officials have called a dangerous attack on europe's energy infrastructure. again, that is from this morning's washington post, tying a senior ukrainian nila terry officer with the attack on the nord stream natural -- military officer with the attack on the nord stream natural pipeline -- natural gas pipeline. cindy, new jersey on the democratic line. what is your comment today? caller: my comment is, women, listen to me. it continues to be that men have ruled this world for a long time. where have we gotten?

problems. we are trying to put donald trump back into the white house. this is a crime family. women, we need to take control. men have been trying to take control of our bodies for years and it is time to stop. women, we have got to take control of what is going on. i am sick and tired of men trying to control everything. the other thing is, when people call in to c-span, we really need to make sure that they are saying the right thing. when someone called in and said that $2200 are given to immigrants each month, that is an outright lie. i do not know why people are saying this. remember, immigrants build this land. as an african-american, my ancestors built this land. as far as immigrants go, we need them. we need to be able to bring them into this country legally. women, we need to take control. do not let me take control of

our bodies and lives. thank you and have a wonderful day. host: all right, let's hear next from jackie from philadelphia, pennsylvania on the republican line. caller: hi. i do not know your name. host: pia. caller: i have a campaign song. it is very short. four donald trump. i hope you will allow me to sing it. host: i can only give you a little bit of time, jackie, but go ahead. caller: very short, thank you. ♪ make america great again. say america out loud again. see merry christmas. say hallelujah. say here is to yeah. anything goes. make america great again ♪ ♪ host: all right, jackie. for your song. let's hear next from reggie in top niche, washington on the

independent line. reggie, can you hear me? reggie in washington. all right. let's go to karen calling from cincinnati, ohio, democratic line. caller: hi, how are you? host: good, good. what is your comment today? caller: ok, my comment is -- as far as a. donald trump leaning toward an authoritarian type government. i think this was before hand. they have a lot of government entities as far as in essay, fbi, cia, police, all of these

other agencies. is felt even before donald trump got into office like a police state to me. i always feel like when you have a police state and you have the citizens that do not have really any say so and that goes along with the police state, we putting our own mail in our own coffin. when you go along with the police, you are saying anything they do goes. we do not really have any police reforms. they can do whatever they want to do to african-americans and to anybody at this point in time. so, this problem did not start with donald trump. it has been in the making as far as creating the police state, way before trump got there. and when people in authority can come after you, monitor you, harass you and do whatever they want to do to you, and the

people go along with it, then we create a police state. host: all right, karen. appreciate your call this morning. let's go to patrick calling from alabama on the republican line. caller: good morning to you. i was calling. [indiscernible] these protesters across our country, levin has a video about it. he explains everything. the fact that the democrat-controlled media, they refused to report it because obama helped set them up in american cities. george washington college put out hamas media in america, brotherhood of america.

they funded by hamas and sent money to over 200 of our colleges. the fbi sent out warnings about terrorist attacks, but they know exactly what it is. host: all right, patrick. finally, let's end on the independent line. alberto in stockton, california. caller: good morning, this is albert. i will only take about 30 seconds. i just hope that we can secure our border. i have many family members that are veterans in iraq. america is great. i am an american hispanic. my whole family does very well. just, basic education. i do not believe there is any racism in america.

that is why we are so strong. last but not least, can we please secure the border? texas took it. america took it. let's act like stars. the gavel gun was the strongest weapon on the face of the earth and was stupid enough to. host: all right, alberto. we are going to take a quick break. coming up, political analyst alaina beverly, former deputy african-american oat reach -- outreach director will be discussing campaign 2024 and political news of the day. ♪ >> this year, book tv marks 25 years of shining a spotlight on leading nonfiction authors and their books with talks of more

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"washington journal." we are joined by political analyst ruffini beverly, the former deputy african-american outreach director in the 2008 obama campaign. thank you for joining us. let's start by getting right into it. joe manchin announced this week that he will not run for reelection in the senate, but he is threatening a possible run for president as a third-party candidate. what do you think the impact of a manchin campaign could have on biden or trump candidacy for president? guest: well, let's start off with manchin choosing not to run for reelection means the democrats are going to be in jeopardy in trying to secure seven seats to when the majority in the senate for 2024. he puts that in jeopardy there. icy manchin as a spoiler -- i

see manchin as a spoiler. those suggest he would be a spoiler for joe biden in that he is a democrat, but from the moderate side. he might pull from independent and moderate voters that are critical to the biden coalition. but, there are those that suggest he might pull from trump. i think biden has more an opportunity to be concerned here with a manchin run. host: we will be getting to your calls in a moment. you can go ahead, start calling in now with your questions for alaina beverly, democratic strategist, or your comments about the political news of the day or campaign 2024. democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. you can also send us a text message, (202) 748-8003. we will get to your calls in a

moment. guest: tia, manchin is not the only spoiler. host: let's talk about the other ones that could be spoilers. tell us about the different candidates and whether you think they are more problematic for writing or trump. guest: ok, very good. jill stein has recently announced she was going to be running with the green party. she brings up consternation for biden and the democrats. people have ptsd from her run in 2016 where she secured i believe 1.4 million votes and secured enough votes not to win electoral college votes, but pulled from hillary clinton. she secured enough votes that were greater than the margin in which clinton lost with wisconsin, pennsylvania and michigan. if she is really leaning in on the dissatisfaction that voters seem to be feeling with both

candidates, but i think her -- she will detract from and potentially siphon off some of the biden votes. there is some concern there. the winning coalition for brydon -- biden that propelled him to victory in 2020 is going to be a critical one for him to realign. that is going to include women, minority voters, youth voters, moderates and independents. she tends to pull from those moderate and independent leaning voters. host: before we get to the phone lines, there has been a lot of discussion this week about that new york times siena poll of voters in swing states. it found trump leading biden in five radical -- critical swing states and also shows trump leading on a lot of the issues, for example economy, foreign policy and immigration. i want to read an excerpt from some of that times coverage of that pole.

the excerpt, democratic groups that act mr. biden by landslide rginin 202 are now far more the electorate sees the thirds country moving in the wrong direction. bynly a single percentage biden point. his lead hispanic voters is down to single digits. his ade inrban areas is half o trump's edge in l reons. black voters long for democrats and for mr. biden are now registering 22% support ithese states for mr. trump, a level unseen in presidential politics for a republican in modern times. number one, i want to ask -- we know a poll is a snapshot in time. guest: it is. host: how much weight should the biden campaign be putting on this poll, and there are a lot

of groups that shows problematic results in this poll. what are some more of your thoughts about the results? guest: i think as you mentioned, it is a snapshot in time. polls are just polls, they do not vote. one year out, there tends to be dissatisfaction with current president in office. that is actually a trend. it was the same thing with clinton. it was the same thing with president obama. around this time in 2011, he was barely breaking 40% in terms of approval and satisfaction. that means there is an entire year to turn these numbers around. it is an important data point, particularly as it pertains to the voters that -- for example, the youth vote only leading by one point for biden. that means, for example what vice president harris is doing and going to the hbcus and galvanizing voters on campus, that is critical. it is important to understand there are pain points voters are

experiencing right now, particularly with the administration's position on the middle east. there is a lot of friction there, they are going to need to hone their messaging and listen carefully to what youth voters are saying. when it comes to the racial realignment, which is part of what that siena poll has inspired for people saying there is a racial realignment in terms of the black vote and the republican party. i think that trend is overly exaggerated. i think it matters who is responding to the poll. i think that we are starting to see some increases, and uppity -- an uptick of black men in support of the republican party. i do not think we are going to see turnout at that level in support of the republican party. i do know this, i know the democrats are crystal clear and the biden campaign is crystal clear about the engagement of voters of color and engagement

of african-american voters as being central to their strategy. they are starting to end have already begun engaging voters of color and persuadable voters, not as the foregone conclusion, but making sure that they are engaging, listening and making clear how these issues of the economy are affecting them at home, how they are effecting us at home. host: let's go to the phone lines. robert is first up, calling from galveston, texas on the democratic line. your question or comment, robert. caller: good morning, ladies. good morning. i want to make a comment. joe manchin has been a thorn in the democratic side forever. people should have been through him away. i just want to say, people turn to god and pray. god will lead us to the right way. if we go the old standard and all this propaganda, o lord, we

are going to be in trouble. god is in control. that is what i want to tell everybody listening this morning. god is in control, turn to god. host: alaina, about manchin, which he mentioned. a lot of people did feel like manchin, he did stand in the way of things president biden wanted to do but was helpful at other times with democrats in the majority. now, not only is he considered a possible third party candidate against biden, but puts the democratic majority in the senate in jeopardy. guest: correct. there were plenty of times in this first term and these first two and a half years of the biden administration where joe manchin could be perceived as having obstructed the agenda. it is important to know -- he prided himself on being in a place where people had to negotiate with him for the outcome. that is why i am concerned about

his role where he says he is going to go around the country and build a campaign for the moderates and for the middle. he likes to be in a position, it seems to me, being able to throw his weight toward one candidate or the other, toward one party or the other. he likes to be the dealmaker. i do not think any campaign he would run right now is in all truism to build on the movement. i think it is to put him in a position to help determine the outcome of the 2024 election. host: let's go to west palm beach, florida now. paul on the republican line. caller: oh, hi. thank you for taking my phone call. i was noticing mr. biden did not know how to turn the page. he had to have a tap on the head to make it go the right weight -- right way.

it looks like the country is being run by somebody else. it is obama running the country now. i was wondering how things would be under obama's fourth term if the democratic party takes over. guest: i am going to say that president obama is not currently running the country. i will say that joe biden did hit very seasoned professionals, many of whom did come in as members of his cabinet and came in to the administration at senior levels. i do not think that is a conspiracy. i think that is an opportunity for seasoned professionals to be supporting and running the government. i think that is part of the reason we were able to pull back from the recession and pull ourselves out of covid with the american rescue plan. you had seasoned agency and executive leadership who were able to pull together policies that pulled our country back

from the brink. also, now we have professionals who are able to think through some of the more forward-looking sort of fdr types of proposals, for the ways in which government can work for the people. everything on the bipartisan infrastructure act to the inflation reduction act to the chips and science act. these are the things that you are able to pull together when you understand and believe that government can work for everyone. when there are experienced policy leaders who are in the administration. host: next up is darrell in charleston, south carolina. independent line. what is your question or comment? caller: yes, my question is, what does the guest think about the possibility of robert kennedy pulling votes away from trump, actually? guest: thank you for that question. i actually do think that he has

a significant chance of pulling and siphoning off votes from trump, in part because of his anti-vaccination conspiracy theories. those tend to resonate with those who are squarely within the trump space. although he is offering himself as running primarily against biden, i actually think he could potentially be somewhat of a spoiler for trump. host: adrian -- adrias is calling from pittsburgh on the democratic line. go ahead. i think we lost adrias. let's start here, alaina. one of the things, there was an off year election just this past tuesday. what are some of your takeaways to what we saw? democrats were happy with what you saw on tuesday. guest: absolutely. tuesday was encouraging. the overarching theme from those election results are that the

antiabortion position of the republican party is a liability for the party. whether abortion access was on the ballot as in ohio or was a central feature of a campaign as in virginia, or was a critical issue in the larger context as in kentucky, democrats showed out and a coalition of larger voters, a larger flock of the electorate showed up in support of abortion access. we saw issue one, the enshrined abortion rights in the constitution of ohio. that was a unique coalition of men, women, voters of color and across generations 18 to 64. that is an important model. in virginia where youngkin was hoping to consolidate the state legislature and the governor's mansion in the gop, based in a 15 week abortion ban that was -- that help democratic secure the

senate and flip the house in virginia. in kentucky, we have andy beshear. he ran in favor of abortion access and showed the conservative approach of banning abortion even in the case of rape and incest. that was part of what helped to secure his victory in a ruby red state that went for trump with 20 points last go around. host: you mentioned kentucky governor andy beshear. let's take a look at a campaign at sheers campaign ran -- beshear's campaign ran. it features a young woman's account of abuse by her stepfather. she calls for -- she says there was leeway needed in the states abortion restrictions. here is the ad. [video clip] >> i was raped by my stepfather after years of sexual abuse. i was 12. anyone who believes there should be no exceptions for rape and

incest could never understand what it is like to stand in my shoes. this is to you, daniel cameron. to tell a 12-year-old girl she must have the baby of her stepfather who raped her is unthinkable. i am out because women and girls need to have options. daniel cameron would give us none. host: now, the subject of that at, the young lady speaking, her name is hadley duvall. on election night after winning the race, governor beshear thanked hadley do fall during -- duvall during his victory speech. here is a portion of that. [video clip] gov. beshear: hadley is here tonight. she is the brave, young woman that came forward to share her story, to speak for so many that could not speak for themselves. and because of her courage -- [applause]

gov. beshear: because of her cartridge -- her courage, this commonwealth is going to be a better place and people are going to reach out for the help they need. host: that was kentucky governor andy beshear. he is a democrat, but kentucky is a red state. alaina, what lessons would you say for another democrat or president biden, how to run on the abortion issue and win, even in places that are not heavily democratic? guest: i think what we are seeing across the country is that women are starting to feel the direct impact of these antiabortion laws. it is no longer theoretical. it is no longer just the supreme court having overturned roe. hadley's story is an example of what it means in real life of what it means to not have control over your body, not having access to these rights. when abortion is on the ballot, when abortion access is on the

ballot, it wins. it was helpful to stifle the midterm 2022 red wave. it has been winning in ballot initiatives across the country. ohio is now one of six states that have passed a ballot initiative to enshrine abortion into the constitution. i think that the lesson here for biden is that it helps to galvanize voters around this issue. that is why advocates are seeking to put out action -- are seeking to put abortion on the ballot. the larger issue here is that this is no longer a hypothetical argument. this is about how not having access to abortion is affecting the real lives of women. host: we are going to go back to the phone lines now. as a reminder, if you have a question or comment for democratic strategist alaina beverly, you can call us right

now. democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. we are going to go to the republican line right now. koda is calling from pleasanton, california. caller: hi, thank you. i just wanted to say, the reason that the people are moving towards a liberal governor such as in kentucky and it is a red state is because of the modernization act and the ability of corporate media to use propaganda to lie, and lie about these lies and say things like antiabortion laws. you forget about the children that are being terminated. we see it here in california. they do the same thing as far as

taxation. we have the highest sales tax rate in the country. the propaganda is helping children for the education, that is a big like. in california, they do that consistently. the voters are ignorant enough to believe the taglines and the commercials that they watch, because they are brainwashed by television, basically. it is unfortunate, but we are fighting the globalists. when they get these globalists into office, they suffer the repercussions of the policies that come along with it such as being beholden to china and being beholdened to soros-marxist da's that are criminals. we have had break-ins and carjackings that have gone up 50% in this county. we have been calling our da. that is in a highly democrat county.

we are fighting the globalists and people need to wake up and see this. this is exactly what we are fighting, not each other. host: all right, i am going to stop you there. alaina, your response. guest: as a general matter, i think that the polls have demonstrated that voters are in favor of abortion access for women, either squarely in favor of abortion or in favor of abortion with some minor limitations. i do not think -- that is not propaganda. you can tell it is not propaganda because voters are turning out in support of this issue. for example, issue one in ohio won by double digits. these are not small margins. these are both organizers coming out and voters coming out in support of the issue. host: ethel is our next caller in louisiana, democratic line. caller: hi, good morning.

ms. beverly, i want to make a quick note. i think joe manchin is definitely jealous of our president biden. two, it is possible to keep president biden's accomplishments in five words or less, or even constantly on the move and not quite sure what all the accomplishments that he has obtained in the short period of time. three, if you can put it on the radio and on t-shirts for the young people that are constantly in the move. their communication is definitely through social media and on the radio and the bj's. they love their t-shirts and hats. all of the a compliment that president biden has acquired. on the last note, abortion.

i had a classmate in 1969 who became a mother before she was 13 years old. i am 67 years old and i am still scarred knowing that my grandkid cannot get an opportunity to be a young kid, going to college. she became a mother due to the forced pregnancy she had to have in 1969. thank you so much. my prayers are with president biden. he is our moses for today's time. have a great day, thank you. host: the five words or less is hard. guest: the five words or less is hard. that is always the challenge for the democrats to try to crystallize the messaging. if i had to pull it down to five words or less with biden against trump, i would say democracy, abortion rights, 14 million

jobs, because that has what has been created since the beginning of this administration. i think that was five words. host: she talked about reaching younger voters. she mentioned the radio, which made me think younger people, it is not even radio these days. it is podcasts or streaming. my question to you as a democratic strategist, how should -- what would you recommend for reaching out to young voters? guest: this is where i am encouraged. i am not the social media person. you know this about me. however, i do know that the biden campaign is being surgical with technology and with influence and relational engagement of voters this go around. they are going to reach out to young voters and meet them where they are. so, not just focusing and chopping up block by block and

knocking on doors, but thinking of ways to engage through technology and not just technology, but social media and through the telephone and through affinity groups reaching out to young voters through the groups that they consider themselves to be members of. i think that is encouraging. it is ground organizing 2.0, if you will. host: there have been concerns raised about turnout and whether that could be an issue for biden in 2024. again, the new york times worked on an article based on those recent polling numbers that came out. as part of that article looking at black and brown voter turnout, they quoted obama poster cornell belcher. here is a portion of what he saidn at article. he said, i am not worried about trump doubli h support with black and brown voters. when i'm worried about is

turnout, but that is what campaigns are for. we built a campaign to solve for that problem. what would you suggest would help solve any turnout concerns? guest: well, turnout is in part a factor of enthusiasm. , as i mentioned your relationships with individuals who are also part of your community. so, i think part of turnout is engaging voters of color in the african american boating community early. we are seeing that. we are seeing that on part of the democratic party and on the part of the biden campaign. i am enthusiastic about that. i know there are also organized groups like black men vote, like collective hat who are also engaged in making sure that it is not just a push and pull operation one month before election day or the week before election day. it is informing voters early and making sure that voters of color

understand the ways in which the biden administration agenda has the potential to affect their lives and has already affected their community. host: back to the phone lines. wherewith democratic strategist alaina beverly. democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. we will go to san diego now. rudy on the independent line. caller: oh, hello. mi here now? host: yes, go ahead, rudy. caller: i just wanted to let you know that biden has done a very good job. he has struggled like everybody has been struggling through all of this coronavirus situation. he has done very well at his job. you know, i know his age. if we had another candidate that thinks like joe biden, that would be great.

we really do not need to worry about it, because i saw the debate of the republicans. i do not see not one that is really qualified for the job. they do not have good ideas. they just like trump. so, you guys are doing a good job. we wish biden that he would win again. ok. thank you and god bless you guys. guest: thank you, rudy. i think that it is so important that you raised that he pulled us back from the covid disaster that we were in, where the other candidate was suggesting that we should drink bleach as an opportunity to heal ourselves from covid. that our country was pulled back from the brink of the covid-19 crisis, pulled back from the brink of recession with the american rescue plan, but also had proactive legislation like the bipartisan infrastructure

act and like the chips and science act and like the inflation reduction act that includes historic investments in climate and energy alternatives that are going to help propel our country into a new economy and broaden it for everyone. i think what we are seeing now is the interest in trying to return biden to office so he can finish the job, so we can continue to move on these historic investments, that we continue to grow the economy. also, try to get through legislation that we have all been looking for. there were some places where he was not successful, like voting rights and like a limits of gun reform. he did make a historic executive order on gun reform. there is more that can be done. i think what the proposition is to reelect him so he can finish that job. host: i want to ask you, alaina. we have been talking a lot about president biden and his support

among voters. i want to bring up some video. this is last months minnesota democratic rep dean phillips. his candidacy for the 2024 democratic presidential nomination after vowing to appear on the new hampshire primary ballot. he talks about why he is running and his views on president biden. [video clip] >> i think president biden, my daughters who are behind me who are in their early teens when the president came to my home for an event. he spent time with my daughters answering questions on the couch. remember that? and would take time for the president to speak. it was my job to introduce him. we could not find him in my own home. we look around, i went into our garage and found the then vice president sitting on a chair eating ice cream with the

catering staff. he is a man of its ordinary empathy. the tragedy that he endured in his late 20's when he lost his wife and daughter is something that nobody would ever want to go through. he is a good man. that is not why i'm doing this. i am doing this because i am listening to people around the country who say they want a new generation, that it is time to go to the future. the problems and challenges that we are facing are so clearly ones that can only be addressed by not just my generation, i am talking younger generations. i want to be the first president to employ ai to reduce costs for americans, to embed it into the federal government and use it to produce better outcomes, and deliver better service to americans. we invented this. it is united states technology. we have people waiting to do so,

but we do not have people in positions of power who understand this could be the most transformative, positive transformation in american history, also cognizant of the risks. there are differences, not because he is not a good man, but because i am part of a new generation looking ahead. people are really struggling and they need to be heard. there are actionable ways to reduce costs for people. host: what do you make of the phillips campaign, but also, what you say to those voters who are raising concerns about president biden's age? guest: i think the phillips campaign, his approach is naïve. i do not think he has the capacity to get to 270 electoral college votes. he is simply just frustrating the process. i do understand the desire for a next-generation form of leadership.

but, right now, we are going to be in an existential fight for our democracy and for our country. we are going to need a seasoned leader to be able to fight back against trump. i do not think phillips has a path. in terms of biden's age, this is baked in. we do know that he is a senior, but he is three years older than trump. they are both of the geriatric class, if you will. [laughter] but, in this moment, i do not think it is time to turn the page to a next-generation leader without the experience to get our country back, to keep our country on track. host: let's take another caller. tom in san jose, california, democratic line. quickley, tom. caller: oh, ok. i think the only reason that trump is doing well in the polls is because -- and getting away

with making a mockery of our government is because his followers allow him to get away with anything. they do not have no line in the sand. i think their loyalty is blinded by their anger and hate for the other side. this anger and hate is religious. it is not much different than the middle east, what is going on there. i really think that it is based upon this anger and hate being blinded by their own religious war that they want to declare on everybody that does not agree with trump. host: all right, we are going to stop you there. final thoughts, alaina? guest: the support for trump is crystallized. so, now it is the job of the democratic party and the biden campaign to think through how best to mobilize not just our base and not just the historic coalition, but also to get engaged more, even lower purpose in the voters -- lower

propensity voters to make sure we as a democratic party to fight back those who look to trump as the messiah. host: we have been talking with democratic strategist alaina beverly. we will be back tomorrow morning at 7:00 a.m. ♪