associated press natna political reporter michelle price talks about the 2024 campaign and we will look at how conflicts in the mideast and ukraine impact u.s. national security with retired rear admiral mark montgomery. "washington journal" starts now. host: it is monday, november 13. we are once again facing the possibility of government shutdown if congress does not

act. last month house republicans spent three weeks trying to elect a new speaker. polls show congress's job approval is the lowest it has been since 2017. we are asking you you are opinion. do you approve or disapprove with the job congress is doing? democrats (202) 748-8000, republicans (202) 748-8001 on the independents (202) 748-8002 stop we have a new number for texts. we are on social media and x at @cspanwj. we will start with that poll from gallup showing congresses

job approval drops to 13%, the lowest since 2017. you can see it visually. this is 2013. this is today. the question to you approve of the way congress is doing its job? if we were to look at party affiliation, here is the percent that approve. this line on the top is democrats and the redline is republicans and the middle is independents. you can see at the end the sharpest drop is from democrats. historically republicans are always lower but here you can see a sharp decrease to 10% in the last month. regarding funding, here is the latest news on that. the speaker unveiled a near-term spending plan saturday.

the wall street journal says the gop proposal would extend funding into early next year to prevent a shutdown. speaker mike johnson unveiled a two step short-term spending proposal that would keep money flowing to federal agencies until early next year in a bid to stave off a partial government shutdown next week which is this week now. johnson presented the plan on saturday a week before federal agencies risk shutting down its current funding runs out. the measure would not impose spending cuts and would not implement tougher anti-immigration rules at the u.s.-mexico border some republicans had said was critical to get their support. any short-term spending deal will need to get through the gop-controlled house which has fought all year overspending, and then when the approval of the democratic-controlled senate and the white house, that sets up a down to the wire fight over

the coming days. democrats have insisted on a pack that keeps spending at current levels while republicans have sought to avoid a deadline around christmas that could leave them vulnerable to arm-twisting by the senate. this is the wall street journal. it continues and says there were already signs of trouble. some republicans have said they oppose any temporary spending extension without cuts and congress should focus on completing individual spending bills for the entire year. it is 100% clean nine 100 said representative chip roy. the proposal them under criticism from the white house with karine jean-pierre calling it a recipe for more republican chaos and more shutdowns. let's take a look from yesterday on meet the press. connecticut democratic senator

chris murphy discussed speaker johnson's approach to the resolution and the future of the cr in the senate. [video clip] >> this is a two tiered bill put forward by mike johnson. will you support it? >> this is no way to run a railroad. we should not been a position to pass multiple continued resolutions. in the senate we have been able to fund bipartisan agreement on a budget that not only funds what the country needs but gets money to our partners around the world in need of american support. we cannot have a government shut down this weekend. certainly not while we are facing these existential crises for our friends in israel and ukraine. i do not like this laddered cr roach, it looks gimmicky. the priority has to be keeping

the government open and this is a big moment where reasonable people in the senate, and that is where most of the reasonable people are, have to make sure we are not making the perfect the enemy of the good. i do not like what the houses talking about but i am willing to listen. >> you say you are not a yes yet but you are not a no. what you need to get to gas? >> we will proceed in the senate on a clean cr. it does worry me that the house process requires you to come back and deal with half the budget on one day and have the budget on another day. that sounds like a recipe for failure. i am willing to listen to the case they are making. i would rather do with the senate is doing and pass a cr that keeps the entire government open. >> does this bill make it more or less likely there will be a shutdown? >> i don't think anyone can predict what will happen in the house of representatives.

that place a political dumpster fire. until we get reasonable leadership that prioritizes bipartisan cooperation in the house come every single day will be a nightmare for the american people. host: that was democratic senator chris murphy. on the republican side on cbs face the nation representative mike mccall was asked whether speaker johnson will be able to pass a package for both israel and ukraine and the possibility of a government shutdown. [video clip] >> i wanted to ask you about what congress can deliver in terms of aid to israel. do you think the new speaker of the house has the clout necessary to move through a package that includes israel aid, ukraine aid, and other national security items? >> our aid to israel is urgent and time is of the essence. we have to deliver this package.

we have offsets and that is fair and i do not think we can play political games with this to support our allies. if they fail and we fail it would have a very bad effect across the middle east. into ukraine, that is vitally important as well. so is taiwan. so is the southern border. if you think about it, all of these threats are tied together. whether we handle it together or separately with ukrainian border security, all of that has yet to be figured out. phase two that the speaker is trying to implement will move the process forward. >> that deadline in terms of government funding is next week. yesterday the speaker made this proposal called the laddered

for term funding deal. the white house says it is a waste of time. will we see a shutdown? >> we have the power of the purse and we need more time. crs always hurt the military and our national security. the first cr could result in the last appropriations bills we cannot pass today. we can pass those and then have until february to negotiate with the senate to put this on the president's desk. >> first you need the votes to pass this. can republicans vote together to pass this short-term funding agreement? >> we will have to. there is no choice. the world is on fire from where i sit. it is too urgent.

we cannot sit back and do nothing. talking to prime minister netanyahu, they needed this yesterday in his words. ukraine needed it yesterday. the border needed it yesterday. we know chairman xi is threatening taiwan in the pacific. the senate will come up with a package after thanksgiving that they will send over to the house. host: that was republican representative mike mccaul. you're asking do you approve or disapprove of the job congress is doing? the numbers are on your screen. some political news that happened last night. tim scott says he is suspending his presidential campaign. this is the headline from abc news.com.

teresa is up first in tennessee, republican. caller: good morning. please give me a minute. this is my one chance to talk to republicans. it is not republicans job to give a clean cr to democrats. kevin mccarthy gave democrats everything they asked for and then they turned around and fired him after they got what they wanted. this built from speaker johnson, he just took kevin mccarthy's name off it and put his name on. we are so tired as voters of not having a republican to stand up to these democrats and their disastrous policies stop we cannot find a speaker willing to fight. everyone wonders why we support donald trump.

it is because he fights. bipartisanship for democrats means republicans across the aisle and give them everything they ever want. you do not see democrats complaining about the cr because they got everything they wanted. republicans got nothing. why can't we find a fighter that will stop them. that is what the two party system means. you stand against the other party, not agree to give up everything they want. why should we vote for the house or the senate? the senate is worse than the house. why should we vote for the house or the senate if they are no different. i am staying home. i am voting for donald trump and i will not vote for a republican ever again. i am sick of my vote being taken

for granted at them not listening to anything we say. the only thing the democrats, this speaker has accomplished is how to set a great vacation schedule for themselves and that is it. i cannot stand it. host: i hear yo and this is what repative thomas massie said. he is a republican from kentucky. he said "i thinkhere is a honeymoon period here. i'm not sure how long it lasts. maybe 30 days, but with what is going on the floor i think that indicates the honeymoon might be shorter than we thought." that is from november 9. edward is in michigan, democrat. caller: good morning. i'm surprised the republicans are already disappointed with mike johnson.

i will have a hard time remembering that name. it is so forgettable. this woman says mike johnson is too weak? my thought was didn't they put in mike johnson because kevin mccarthy was too weak? my thought is one of the just go back to the original budget agreement? johnson was quoted as saying they are ungovernable, one of the headline says the house republicans are ungovernable which is largely true. mike johnson does not know what he is doing. kevin mccarthy knew the basics of the job. i don't think mike johnson knows the basics of the job. why don't they go back to the original budget agreement with biden. the second thought is it looks like they will have to shut the government down and teach the republicans a lesson.

this woman from tennessee -- the south -- when they shut the government down, is social security affected come is medicaid affected come is medicare affected, our workers in washington dc affected, because republicans can pull this every time they do not like what is in the budget and that to me says we have to relearn the lesson from what happens when the government shuts down. i hate to have to inflict this needless dysfunction on washington and on the government programs and government workers. this always happens around christmas. to me it is utterly irresponsible. this is what you get when you have people who do not like the

government, do not know how the government. i'm going on a rant. host: i understand. here is what you had mentioned before. this is nbcnews.com. the headline, we are ungovernable. it says funding to keep the government open is set to expire november 17, there is no deal on how to avoid it. that was an article two days ago. candace is next. host: -- caller: i am proud to be ungovernable. the government of the world has tried to kill us with covid biological weaponry. i hope the government shuts down. they are not protecting me.

they are protecting the bankers digital currency. they have been doing psychological warfare. host: are you on the approve or disapprove side of congress. caller: congress just gave themselves thousands of dollars of raises with our tax money while they have been going along with terrorism with the covid and i disapprove of them. i hope they shut down. i am proud to be ungovernable. they are printing fiat money out of nothing. they are also taxing us. they are intentionally making us poor so they can control is better. they are authoritarians. freddy americans to be for the government at this point shows how brainwashed americans are -- for any americans to be for the government at this point shows

how brainwashed americans are. host: chicago, denise, good morning. caller: i think democrats are at least functional and republicans are discouraging. donald trump wants to destroy the constitution and take away our rights but he spent his whole life living off democracy and the constitution. i don't know why we have an excuse not to elect him. he is not qualified. host: and susie, a republican

and east flat rock, north carolina. good morning. caller: i am totally disapprove of the job congress is doing and i will tell you why. the democrats have absolute no morals. they have absolutely no morals. they ramp up racism, crt, you name it, they are behind it. the republicans cannot get their crab together. they want to fight amongst themselves. therefore when they fight amongst themselves, the democrats are clannish and they will not give into anything. i don't know what will happen. i really don't know. host: how do you feel about your

senators and representatives in north carolina? caller: solely adore our lieutenant governor -- i absolutely adore our lieutenant governor. host: in congress? caller: i am not sure. host: let's take a look at what senator mark warner said on fox news yesterday. he is the intelligence chair and he was asked about continued funding for ukraine and the upcoming government funding deadline this week. [video clip] >> isn't there something between walking away and providing some funding or endless open-ended fund and. there are poles that a lot of americans are growing apprehensive about something that has no end in sight. we are about to run out of money by friday. none of us at home can run our budgets this way.

these are american tax dollars. >> the fact is that combined with our european allies who are doing more on the humanitarian side and matching is virtually dollar for dollar on the defense side, and additional $60 billion for the whole fiscal bang year and the ukrainians that have destroyed half of russia's military capabilities with not a single loss of american soldiers. if we walk away from ukraine, nato, which has been expanded, what faithful will they ever have in us again? i am hugely concerned about china on an economic basis and technology basis and people are flunking geopolitics 101 if they thanksgiving putin -- if they think giving kootenay win -- if they thanksgiving -- if they

think giving putin a win on ukraine does not give china the green ght on taiwan. host: "calling youhe party of limited government means stopping and cutting. the status quo is a fiscal death spiral." linda is next in vineland, new jersey. democrat. caller: i agree with warner. i also believe our new house speaker is nothing but a puppet. i think he was voted in quickly by the congress because he is a puppet. as far as ukraine, what price does anybody put on one of our children in war? lost in a war to death or

disability? i think biden is the smartest person to be running this government. he is the most credible person to be running this government. host: going back to congress, what do you think? do you approve or disapprove? caller: i disapprove with the way three or four people are running this country. not one of them has the experience and integrity or the honor ability that biden has. not one of them. host: got it. steve is in columbus, ohio. good morning. what do you think? approve or disapprove of congress? caller: i disapprove of congress. i disapprove of the presidency. i disapprove of the justices,

clarence thomas is a clown. biden has one foot in the grave. congress is a bunch of jokes. offering to give a bunch of money to israel. our cities are crumbling. it is a slap in the face. what can we do about it? i am very disappointed in everybody in government. host: anything you approve of? it sounds like you disapprove of everything? caller: i disapprove of everything in the government. i approve of the american people. we are going to be ok like we always have been but the people we chose to run the government have led us down. host: what about your representatives in ohio? caller:. brown is not bad. the other guy has a lot of baggage.

joyce beatty is not bad either. that is just local. national i'm very disappointed. i am disappointed that the united states has followed israel as far as they have. the palestinians have the rights to be where they are and it is ridiculous. host: let's talk to jess in nebraska, republican. good morning. caller: i am so disappointed with our government. it is just lost in the sauce. i do not know why these democrats keep calling up and acting like they had a royal checkmark on their side because they are just block voters. they were not allowed to vote in

accordance with what their constituency wanted because nancy pelosi would've said them to the basement. our government is broke. our borders are broke. our military is broke. our police departments are broke. host: and curious to what you mean by the military is broke? caller: week get people to go into the military -- do you really think after watching all of these idiots that go up and down these cities, they do not even know where israel is at, 90% of them. they would never tried to protect this country. they don't care about this country. it is already been in there brain by their professors and their teachers.

our education system is no longer -- they are not learning in school any longer. host: take a look at what pamela said on x. what are they doi? i only see speight in revenge, wasting tax dollars only because they fr trump retaliation and loss of maga votes. is congress approval inverselyys propore to ebt level or wage to gdp ratio or proportional to wage deflation or the value of the u.s. dollar currency relative to the gold standard? and mcd says are they actually doing a job? it seems like all they do are social media posts. john is in indiana.

democrat. caller: they have to do the government shutdown, go ahead and do it. host: you approve of congress? caller: i am a democrat. host: sam in louisiana. independent. sam? ahead. caller: i am just -- i was listening to the guy up ahead of me. i do not think he understood what is going on. both sides for on both sides of the capital than they are on the

israeli war. both of them need to stop and get together and help israel stop the war. if republicans want to find fault with democrats, summit -- saying democrats are not doing this or that they need to erase everything and start all over again fresh and get together on this. from what i heard on the news last night, there are several congressmen that are being targeted by iranian people who

they want to kill them, to wipe them off. host: sam did mention israel. let's take a look at the white house national security advisor jake sullivan said yesterday on abc news this week about the hostages help there. [video clip] >> give us the latest on negotiations or if there are negotiations underway regarding the hostages. >> thanks for having me. i have to be careful about what i say publicly because it is a delicate and sensitive negotiation. the answer to your question is yes, there are ongoing negotiations involving the israelis and the qataris and the united states is engaged in this as well because we want to make sure we bring home americans taken hostage as well as other hostages.

that continues. there are efforts to secure a deal that would involve the release of hostages and the president will not rest until we achieve that deal so every single one of those hostages can come home safely. >> what are the numbers? the israelis say there are 239. is that accurate? how many are americans? >> we do not know the number of hostages. we know the number missing. we do not know how many are still alive. as far as americans are concerned there are nine missing american citizens as well as a missing green card holder. that is the number we are working with, that is the number we are trying to ensure the safe return of and we have been engaging with families. i will be seeing family members of american hostages this week. host: that was the national

security advisor jake sullivan. this is a te we got from drake in rochester, new york who says "i disapprove of e b congress is doing. they are working to get president biden to stop using the termatinx. need to start focusing on the budget." this is from tony iflida who says "i moderately apove of the job congress is doing but i also appreciate that the founde designed it to make the process slow. the fewer laws we pass the better." alan is calling from milwaukee. republican. caller: i am calling in reference to if you notice the states that have not approved president trump, wisconsin, even though we are holding their convention this summer.

my thing with congress is that why haven't they done anything with texas, with the people coming over? you know? we are telling him a chinese, how many this or that, how come we are not dealing with that? host: you are thinking congress needs to deal with the southern border? caller: yes. not only that. you and i know growing up we never imagined you could go into a store and still $900 worth of stuff and not go to jail. you have people that sleep in the tents on the streets. in the last -- 10 years ago we would never of thought that. people were getting arrested. host: what you think congress

needs to do in that respect? do you think there needs to be more funding for enforcement at the border? you think the policies need to change? caller: we know every time one person comes over the border it costs the taxpayer money, correct? we give them food stamps, we give them phones. we cannot do that anymore. we talk about these deficits that comes up in 14 days, that is where we are creating the problems. host: let's talk to david in michigan. caller: good morning. glad to be on. i think the congress we have now led by the republicans is doing an awful job. i believe they are looking forward to shutting the u.s. government economy down.

supporters seem to dislike the united states and want to find a way to shut us down. they are marching by trump's orders. i think the border stuff, i want the border regulated more stronger. i am a democrat but i think it should be regulated stronger. i do not think it is there about the issue like fox news has told their supporters. host: republicans are saying they do not want to shut down the government but they want to rein in spending. what do you think of that? caller: i think it is manufactured. if trump was president i guarantee you republicans would be calling in or republicans in congress would be saying if he

spent every million dollars he could think of. it is only against biden they have something to fuss about. host: frank in new york. independent. good morning. caller: i don't approve of congress at all. both sides. the conflict in the middle east -- the people over there do not belong there. the palestinians are the usurpers. read deuteronomy. it tells who the children of israel is. it says you will be led by yokes

of iron and chains around your neck. thus the blessings and the purses cap that is how the father knows who his children are. everything is immoral and i don't want anything to do with it. the father and his son, our king, will be coming back and he will see the real children of israel is. it is not the palestinians or the usurpers. host: speaking of israel, this is thehill.com. emotional clashes over israel torment house democrats. long-standing frictions over house democrats pitting israel staunch allies against pro-palestinian liberals and

posing the star challenge for party leaders who are raising to ease the tensions. the division surfaced 115 democrats declined to support a resolution declaring u.s. solidarity with israel following hamas's deadly terror attack. they bubbled up again last week over legislation providing u.s. military aid to tel aviv and they were a threat into the spotlight once more on tuesday 122 democrats voted to censure representative rashida to leave of michigan for her harvest criticism of israel -- for her harsh criticism of israel's military response in gads -- of israel israel's military response in gaza. caller: i do not think they are doing what they are doing. as far as what that guy said about marching to trump's orders, i would love to be marching to some of trump's orders. i would love to be living like

we had it when trump was in office. i would love to have him back as president. everything going as smooth as it was when he was there. we don't have any thing like we did. inflation is so high people cannot afford to live. people cannot afford to buy groceries. they cannot afford to buy gas. it is terrible for people that are low income. if we get trump back in there it will go back to being what it was before. host: on fox news sunday gop presidential candidate nikki haley was asked about president trump's lead and her political future. [video clip] >> let's talk about reality. president trump is up 30 to 40 points.

governor desantis picked up governor reynolds endorsement in iowa and now has the highest favorables in the gop field in iowa. then this headline from the hill says trump's massive lead in polls deals a blow to the rivals electability case. they talked about polls from the new york times, cbs news, all showing president trump leading president biden. you do better in those polls but how do you convince primary voters to abandon someone who is up by 30 or 40 points when this argument about him being able to beat president biden is being muted? >> first of all, i think trump has strong support. i always said he was the right president at the right time and i agree with a lot of his policies. the problem is drama and chaos follow him. fairly or not it is constantly following him and americans feel it. you can look at that with our elections over and over again.

we pay the price for it. we need to have someone who can win the general election and make sure we have a new conservative leader. republicans have lost the last seven out of eight popular votes for president. the way you do that is you do not get someone in there who does not beat biden by two points like trump does but beat him by nine to 13 points. that way we win all the races. that is what we are trying to do. i can do that. that is the focus we have. people are getting tired of the drama and the chaos and the negativity. they say the wars -- they see the wars they want to prevent, they say inflation, they see a border that is open, and they see our kids are suffering terribly in reading and math and we have to get that right. host: that was nikki haley. we are taking your calls on the

question do you approve or disapprove of the job congress is doing. jackson in michigan, independent line. what do you think? caller: i totally disapprove. the first thing they want to do is money for israel, money for ukraine. they set up these tender boxes and throw the matches and add fuel to the fire. i do not support either of those conflicts. the two parties are the problem. two members of congress who you have mentioned i think are decent. that would be thomas massie from kentucky, and rashida talib from michigan. i think they are the best members of congress although i would not support either of them because they are members of the party and they both voted for ukraine money. the problem is the two parties. caller: have you decided who you

will vote for in 2024? caller: i just saw jill stein announced for the green party again. i voted for her in 16 so maybe again. host: david is next in north carolina. democrat. caller: good morning. i've been listening to you talk. i think congress is doing a great job. they are supposed to pass a bill and they did and sent it to the senate and now the democrats are sitting on it and letting it die in the senate. host: which bill are we talking about? caller: didn't they just pass a bill that the new speaker senator schumer? for keep host: for keeping the government open? caller: that bill they do not even talk about. host: you're talking about the

israel aid? caller: ok. yes. i do feel we should support israel. host: host: the problem it faced in the senate was there were also cuts to irs tax enforcement that the democrats did not like. caller: how many billion dollars, they were going to use part of that to allocate for this, i think they should. we do not need all of the iris people. do not tell me we do. joe biden is a lie. i will say that upfront. host: you're a democrat. had you favor joe biden in the past? caller: let me put it back further than that.

congressman, he went to congress . i thought he was a good fellow. he was going to do what he said he was going to do. i depend on your word. if you tell me something, i depend on that. if i tell you that i mean when i tell you. bill told me something and he did not follow through. i asked him about it, i told him when i saw him i would never vote for him because he is a liar. that is way i felt about joe. he left the people that got him out of afghanistan behind when he was left behind. his own people who saved him. do you think i have any respect for that fellow? no. i am a war veteran. i done my time. hasn't done anything but run around the world taking our

money. that is the way i feel. i have morals he does not have. host: you vote for in 2024? caller: it will not be joe biden. host: let's talk to stan in orlando florida. caller: i disapprove. i think congress has done a lousy job and they spent a lot of time on issues that are totally irrelevant. part of the problem is you have no leadership. i truly think that you should have all of the elected officials watch the c-span segment when you had the book crisis point and they might learn something from that. for his leadership there is no leadership right now. it is sad for the young people because young people have not had the opportunity to see what true leadership is. congress is a joke.

i wish the war ended soon but unfortunately i have a suspicion somebody must be paying up these students to be protesters because years ago nobody cared that much about palestine. thank you. host: and in minneapolis. caller: i want to say something. it is hypocritical that you have these people in congress who keeps saying we do not have money for social security or universal health care but we have war money. we have war money. we have money for israel. our nation come our founding fathers made a nation on genocide and we are continuing their legacy by supporting the genocide in israel. i am an independent.

i will vote for anybody who is against genocide. anyone who stands up for trans rights and is against genocide, i will support them. rashida talib and the squad are about the only people. host: a reminder for everybody that we have a one-month rule on calling into c-span. you have to wait one month after your call to call back. anna in texas. good morning. caller: i disapprove of some of the congressional people. mike johnson is one of them. he has a district that is one of the worst in shreveport, louisiana. i support ukraine and have a mixed one on israel and the

palestinians. texas, the border, since 1836 people have been coming across the border and they have work visas. they still come across the border and they work. they work there behinds off. texas, oklahoma, kansas, all of those areas, these people are coming across, they are not illegal aliens. they are human beings. texas, in september 100,000 barrels of oil was produced in texas. under three dollars. when people talk about people

are poor or on welfare. when people from across the border come in they come in and work there behind soft. they are not the ones coming in with the fentanyl. that is coming off of the atlantic, around florida. i am 75 years of age. nobody knows their history. everybody talks the border. that is greg abbott's problem. not joe biden's problem. kamala harris does not need to go down to the border to clean it up like she is a made. it is pathetic. host: peter in new york, republican. caller: good morning.

this is how i feel. i approve of what the house is doing. i disapprove of what the senate is doing and i disapprove of how c-span is framing the argument. the house has passed eight of the 12 appropriation bills. that is about 80% of spending. the debt is at $33.5 trillion. joe biden wants to add $2 trillion to the debt. this is all borrowed money. chuck schumer and the senate, and even mitch mcconnell, who refuses to take up any of these appropriation bills. for the last 30 years they want to pass these large omnibus bills with all of the spending in it when they are supposed to be passing individual bills. they are not doing it. as far as the bill for israel

and ukraine and the border, they want those bills separately. i believe the house has sent a funding bill for israel to the senate and chuck schumer refuses to take it up. why are they doing this? because they want to cover for their people bill and they do not have to take responsibility. they can say i had to vote for it because i want to the spending for israel. i had to vote for this big bill in order to get that done. this is what is wrong with it. i wish you guys would frame the argument a little bit better. put the facts on the table. a lot of the people that are calling in do not understand or do not know what is going on. that is a problem.

i believe the house is doing a good job but i have no faith in the senate and even mitch mcconnell, four years they passed these huge omnibus bills. last year 18 republicans voted for the huge omnibus bill instead of stopping because you need 60 votes to get any legislation out of committee in the senate. the republicans have a lot of power in the senate but they do not use it because they are the big spenders in the senate just like they were in the house. host: i want to put up on the screen the house repubcan stopgap spending measure. here are the details on that. funding for the agencies covered by military construction, water and transportation, bills would be extended to january 19. covered by agencies would be extended a little bit longer until february 2 and it extends

current spending levels and does not include any of the supplemental funding packages president biden ha reqsted including $106 billion for israel, ukraine funding, the u.s. mexico border, and management. that is according to roll call and nbc news. betty is next in stockton, california. good morning. thank you for taking our call. i disapprove of congress. i wish they would close the border. there is a gentleman that called yesterday that said america is not racist. america is racist. i think they should cut the funding for ukraine because it is a war that cannot be won and ukraine is using america as an atm machine.

they sent money to israel annually so why delay have to send money to them now? i think if you would drive-thru america you would see homeless people sleeping on the bridge. money they send to these countries should be used to give the homeless people a leg up. i think that is where the money should be concentrated. host: let's talk to larry in texas. democrat. caller: thank you for taking my call. i disapprove of the work congress is doing. i do not believe congress has done anything since obama. once he became president they stopped working. like some employees you have people who do the job in due time. i believe congress is just doing

time. if the budget is so important in the border is so important congress should stay in congress until both have been resolved. people keep saying things were better when trump was in office. let me remind people what was going on when trump was in office. we had the pandemic. we had racial unrest. rioting in the streets. all of this was during trump's administration. we were not able to go to funerals because of the pandemic. i am sick and tired of hearing people blaming everybody except trump. he is the reason we are in the position we're in now with the high prices. we cut down manufacturing and the distribution of goods. that is what caused high prices. we are on the right track but we need people that will do the job instead of doing time. thank you for taking my call. one other thing.

i hear people complaining about students protesting in these colleges, about the palestinian and israeli war. remind people that the same people calling in that are my age in their 60's and 70's, back in the 60's and 70's we had people protesting the vietnam war. we had people shot at kent university. it is called freedom of speech. host: let's talk to donna in florida, republican. caller: thank you for taking my call. i agree wholeheartedly with what the man from texas just said. he took the wind out of my sale. -- out of my sail. a lot of people do not care anymore and they do not do their jobs and congress is definitely not doing what it needs to be doing.

we all need to look at it. a few more weeks and they will get it done. a few more weeks. that is not good enough for our country. our country needs to do better. that is all i can say about it. host: that is the time we have for this segment. thanks to everybody that called in. next, politico budget and appropriations reporter caitlin emma previews the week ahead in congress particularly the november 17 deadline and later retired rear admiral mark montgomery talks about how conflicts in the middle east and ukraine impact u.s. national security interests. we will be right back. ♪

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you wrote this article on saturday for politico. here is the headline where are we on the government funding? guest: speaker johnson introduced something interesting. he kind of confused everybody a couple of weeks ago when he floated the idea of a laddered continuing lezz -- resolution. over the weekend, something that is the best case scenario for democrats in many ways is he's proposing funding part of the government through january 19 and the rest of the government including the pentagon and the big domestic programs into early february. he is setting up this two-tiered stopgap funding system to avoid a shutdown at the end of the week, november 17 at midnight.

this is a clip -- a so-called clean cr which doesn't include spending cuts the freedom caucus wanted, an extension of the farm bill through september of next year. in many ways, it's kind of a good outcome for democrats where some are coming out against the idea of this two-step plan but some of them are saying they are reviewing it and it will be interesting to see where democrats shake out on this idea. host: what about the conservative republicans? guest: we have already seen some early pushback from conservatives, marjorie taylor greene, congressman chip roy, warren davidson, several folks who are known as being hardliners. they are saying this is unacceptable. they say there are no spending cuts and this is not with the

freedom caucus had hoped. essentially, it is similar to what kevin mccarthy paired up with democrats to pass and then lost his speaker's gavel. it sort of the same situation. i'm not saying speaker johnson is in trouble but he has more trust in the republican conference right now but it's a similar scenario. i expect to see more pushback from conservatives. host: when does it hit the floor and when we we see votes? guest: the committee meets this afternoon to prep it and that will be interesting to watch because you have a couple of conservatives on that panel who will have two either vote for or against putting this on the floor. mr. roy is on the rules panel. the house is gearing up for a vote tomorrow. it will be really interesting to

see who supports this. over the weekend, we saw how rosa delauro came out and said this is a bad idea. she does not approve of this two-step process. she is upset that it doesn't include any emergency funding for israel or ukraine. maybe speaker johnson will need democratic help to pass this. it may be possible to get that but it will be interesting to watch who in republican conference, who among democrats will support this. host: is there a sense of whether this will pass? guest: we don't know yet. it's the best case scenario for democrats. there was an israel aid bill last week that made that funding conditional on cuts to the irs. democrats so that as picking a fight.

why would you condition something as important as israel aid on cutting funding for the irs? this is not that. it's not picking a fight with democrats. the two-step idea is not particularly popular but the funding deadlines he's setting up, january 19 and february 2 are only a couple of weeks apart. it's quite possible a lot of democrats support this. host: if you would like to ask a question or make a comment about government funding, give us a call, democrats, (202) 748-8000, republicans (202) 748-8001s and independence (202) 748-8002. our line for texting is different,202-7488903 there were problems with two gop

funding bills this last week. explain what happened. guest: speaker johnson took over for mr. mccarthy and he made a promise to blow forward in passing a dozen republican appropriations bills. he had some initial success there on some of the easier bills. as we've gotten through the week, the problems plaguing mr. mccarthy are now plaguing speaker johnson. it's just that you have this really unruly republican conference that cannot coalesce around these bills. the transportation housing bill was supposed to come up for a vote the other week. you had members who work in and around the amtrak northeast corridor saying they couldn't stomach $1 billion in funding cuts for amtrak. on the other hand, conservatives

said they wanted to get rid of amtrak altogether. you had somebody like congressman tom cole who oversees that bill saying i've got eight or 10 members in both sides telling me they don't want to support this. i have to get the two of them to vote for this bill. those problems are still in existence. the financial services bill last week which is typically not controversial ended up falling apart because you had democrats -- conservatives saying this includes gs anda they will fund the new fbi headquarters and we can't have that. there was related abortion issues that moderates at a hard time with. it speaks to speaker johnson's challenge where you just have so many members in different factions of the conference that cannot support some of these bills and it's not going to get easier, the idea passing these

appropriations bill which will never become law. host: what's happening on the senate side? they come back in later today. what are their plans regarding a continuing resolution? guest: the senate will be interesting to watch today. the senate is expected to take its first procedural boat later this afternoon around 5:30 p.m. on a vehicle for a continuing resolution. they don't have one yet but it's getting the procedural gears in motion to pass one before the november 17 deadline. what's interesting is likely, we are just talking about a cr that speaker johnson introduced is kind of palatable for democrats and over the weekend, a senate democratic aide reached out to a number of reporters and left the

door open for senate democrats to support this. they said this is not necessarily a bad thing. he is not looking for any cuts. he is comfortable with handling funding for the pentagon in the second tranche. february be the deadline for funding the pentagon. democrats say they are ok with that. what's interesting today -- does the vote to proceed to the cr vehicle in the senate does it succeed? it's possible it won't and senators will be watching to see what speaker johnson brings tomorrow. if it's clear something will pass in a get sent to the senate, they may not advance their own vehicle. host: are the two sides talking? are senator schumer and speaker johnson collaborating or working independently? guest: i am not privy to any

bicameral negotiations. as we've seen in negotiations, as we so with mr. mccarthy, a lot hinges on what can get through the house. in many ways, senate leaders are waiting to see what speaker johnson can do. if it looks like something acceptable to the senate, that's great and they can move forward. chuck schumer wanted to be prepared with his own stopgap backup funding plan which is why they will take a procedural boat this afternoon. host: i will put up on the screen the house stopgap ending measure. anything surprising that y saw there? we've got funding for agencies covered by military construction, va and energy, water and transportation bills. there is funding for agencies

covered by the other eight bills which go longer, february 2 and extending current spending levels. were you surprised at especially the piece about extending current spending levels without cuts? guest: yes, i was surprised by that. speaker johnson had floated the idea of pursuing some kind of cr with cuts. that is something that is right flank really wanted. this is pretty much -- aside from the fact that he wants to do this in two buckets, this was a pretty straightforward continuing resolution. this is something that democrats would introduce on their own. there is no aid for israel noa for ukraine and no emergency funding whatsoever. that's a big problem for democrats and it's a big problem for many republicans as well who

think every day that goes by that we are not doing something for israel or ukraine makes it less likely congress can get it together. as you said, the first four bills would have a january 19 deadline. that would set aside the house republican conference issues with spending. some of those bills would hypothetically be some of the easier ones to negotiate with the senate and whether that bears out to be true, there are a lot of spending issues right now in congress and that remains to be seen. we are teeing up the first four and giving two extra weeks to do some of the hardest work. it's an interesting structure and it will be interesting to see how it plays out. host: patrick is in florida on the independent line. caller: hi and thanks for taking my call. it's not a republican state in this country that doesn't rely

on funding. the florida budget is 22% federal money. joe manchin comes from west virginia in their state budget is $45 billion, 9 billion of that is federal money. [no audio] [inaudible] israelis were marching through the street yelling death to all arabs. they elected to butcher [indiscernible] host: you are cutting in and out. were you able to get anything from that as far as federal funding for states? guest: it's worth noting that we

have these shutdown fights several times a year over what is considered a pretty small part of the federal overall budget. the funding we are talking about with this particular shutdown deadline is just discretionary funding. it is really like funding for all of the federal agencies across the government. it doesn't include social security spending in medicare and some of the biggest drivers of the debt and deficit. we are having these fights and we are talking about a very small part of the federal budget. i think you are right, a lot of this money ends up going to states for a number of different reasons. you have discretionary grant programs and things like that but we keep having these crazy spending fights over a very small part of the federal budget. host: what is the mood in the gop conference in the house?

people have talked about a honeymoon period for mike johnson. guest: this will be a huge week for him and his ability to pass this on the floor. it will say a lot about his first real big early test of his speakership. mccarthy was kicked out of the speaker's office because he teamed up with democrats to pass a continuing resolution that staved off a shutdown. he said he would do it again and he said shutting down the government is not a way to get what you want. mike johnson is kinda proposing the same thing here but breaking it up into two buckets. that avoids what republicans lo athe which is an omnibus. for years, lawmakers have been complaining about getting

blindsided with a huge piece of legislation they have to pass at the last minute and is no time to read it. by breaking it up into two, he's trying to say we are not doing things as normal. he said this is a his idea of addressing the concerns but not including spending cuts, that will be a problem for conservatives. it will be interesting to see who can support this among republicans and who can't. and whether they will cut speaker johnson some flack. they state they are starting to. some of these spending bills are failing on the floor. it will be interesting to see how they keep the government open. i think mike johnson can move on

and everybody is tired and don't want to keep doing this over and over. famous last words. host: let's take a look at what democratic senator chris murphy said yesterday about the idea of speaker johnson's laddered approach. [video clip] >> this is a two-tiered bill put forward by the newly installed house speaker. will you support it? >> this is no way to run a railroad. we should pass multiple continuing resolutions and in the senate, we can find bipartisan agreement on a budget that not only funds what the country needs but gets money to our partners around the world who are in desperate need of american support. we cannot have a government shut down this weekend. certainly not while we were facing in existential crisis for our friends in israel and ukraine. i don't like this laddered cr

approach but i'm open to what the house has to say. we are reasonable in the senate and that's where most of the reasonable people are these days we have to make sure we are not making the perfect the enemy of the good. >> i hear you say you're not there yet but you are not ano. what do you need to get to yes on this legislation? >> we will proceed in the senate on a clean cr without gimmicks. it worries me the house process requires you to come out and deal with have to budget one day and half the budget on another day. that sounds like a recipe for failure -- for failure. >> does this bill make it more or less likely there will be a shutdown? >> i don't think anybody can

predict what happens in the house of representatives. that places a political dumpster fire now. until we get reasonable and thoughtful leadership that prioritizes bipartisan partnership in the house come every day will be a nightmare for the american people. host: any comments on that? guest: as the moderator noted, he is not a yes or a no. he is an appropriate a nose spending and he knows cr's. he is very steeped in the notion of coming up with supplemental funding for israel and ukraine. he is a key lawmaker to pull on something like this. the fact that he is not dismissing it out of hand says a lot. he said the senate would move forward with his own thing and it will be interesting to see if that goes anywhere.

i get the sense that democrats like senator murphy are potentially open to supporting this idea. host: let's talk to cutler in new hampshire, democrat. caller: good morning. mike comment is we should never be in this situation again. it seems like congress just cannot get their act together. it's still very partisan. history tells us that the republican party which is driven up this national debt we have that's often not mentioned in that they are concerned we're funding others and it's an interesting scenario. i'm disappointed in the whole thing. we should be supporting ukraine and israel but basically our country is broke. we have to realize that.

guest: you echoed the concerns many americans have and many people in washington as well is that it's insane how despite multiple times per year, the federal budget process is essentially broken. congress doesn't follow it and it blows through the end of the fiscal year routinely. with these year and funding fights where everybody think the government will shut down for a couple of weeks and then it doesn't. a lot of folks feel this is no way to do business. .many lawmakers feel this is no way to do business. there has been legislation to the effect of making sure a shutdown should never even happen. that legislation has received amendment votes. it really hasn't gone anywhere.

i think folks are sick and tired of having this fight over and over again. we are not doing anything for israel and ukraine and this is a major priority for members of congress and a major international crisis. this fight will continue even if this legislation to keep the government open passes this week. i think folks are definitely sick of politics as usual. host: these cr's have become the rule instead of the exception. guest: it's been a long time since anything has operated as normal. maybe the last time all funding bills were passed was like the 1990's. i can remember the exact date. it's been long times as the

appropriations process functioned as normal. cr's are sort of the rule. for the last few years, we end up with a giant government funding package that might not bear its of of this year. host: we have attacks text from ddletown, connecticut. guest: that's a great question. the debt is $33 trillion at this point. that has grown enormously over the last couple of decades. nothing serious has been done to rein it in. democrats and republicans have an ideological difference in what is the breaking point.

how much debt is too much debt and when do we hear the tipping point when it becomes a financial problem. we don't know when that is so there hasn't been anything done to curb it. you've had republicans talking about the need for a bipartisan fiscal commission. host: you mean the debt commission? guest: that sounds like there is interest in forming one. right now, some republicans on the house budget committee have formed their own working group to talk about that. this is not a new idea. it's been done before. host: has it worked before? guest: no. in the short term, yes it's helped raked in spending in the short term but

long term, we are looking at decades. . something aggressive needs to be done in the long term. everyone in washington lysed to say it's an easy solution we have long-term issues beyond discretionary spending and social security and medicare insolvency. those have to be taken care of in the next 10 years. that is not really on the table for discussion now. host: republican in florida, good morning. caller: good morning, i hope you can hear me ok.

i've been watching what's going on with the current speaker and the last speaker. it seems that both of them were acting in a responsible and mature manner. i think mr. is doing the best he can. he is satan into consideration in numerous at this going on, trying to fund israel, being rejected by president biden which makes no sense to me. i think mr. johnson is up to now, a pretty good speaker.

i think he is responsible it should be given a break and maybe the representatives themselves should be more responsible and take a consideration that congress is not a monolith where everybody thinks the same. guest: i think that's a good point. you noted that speaker johnson and speaker mccarthy are kind of doing with their supposed to do. . love low -- a lot of folks have to work on the democratic side with republicans to keep the government open. the republicans need help from the democrats as a root. mood

it's reasonable for him to reach across the aisle and work with democrats to keep the government open. that means it's a hyper politicized moment where that kind of thing is frowned upon. never have to lean on the other side to do things like that. in many ways, speaker mccarthy lost his gavel for personal reasons as much as political. this is not just about government funding also about congressman matt gaetz and buried them around -- matt gaetz has admitted around the contrast

between him and speaker johnson. will he work with democrats to keep the government open and will there be repercussions. guest: host: maryland, democrat, good morning. caller: good morning, i wanted to point out for those people that want to make america great again in respect to this budget, back when america was great, two things were at in place. when the taxis were much higher. you guys are probably too young to remember. it was in over 90% tax rate in the 50's. they reduced it down to 70%. it's almost triple what it was now. there are still loopholes but the rates are lower. the other thing that was in place was democrats controlled the house and the senate

virtually 90% of the time. you are probably too young to remember that but there were no shutdown crises or annual threats to default on the debt. in case of the tax thing, there is no discussion of the deficit when i was a child. i was born in 1949. then reagan came in and started slashing taxes. that became a big issue. i just wanted to point those things out. i would ask people to think about that. democrats are in control and you at higher taxes and you didn't have these problems. there were other problems like the vietnam war but you didn't have an annual fight over the budget and debt. there were discussions but not like this. thank you. guest: you raise an interesting point.

a lot of these fiscal issues like funding the government or the debt limit over the last few decades have been increasingly weaponized and it's become something that is routine. as you said, a few decades ago, this was not the norm and now it's the status quote how to operate. if you are looking forward, a lot will hinge on the 2020 for election and who controls the white house and the house and the senate. 2025 is going to be a huge year for some of these issues. we have another debt limit deadline coming out. we have the expiration of a lot of the trump tax cuts that were enacted in 2017. republicans, depending what they control and government, will be

really aggressive about how they handle those issues. it will probably be another big war over the federal budget. if you are tuned into this, 2025 is something to pay attention to. it will just be another iteration of this continual weaponization of these issues were both sides to get what they want. often the republican party has more success than democrats. host: you can find her work at politico.com and thank you so much. later on, retired rear admiral mark montgomery and the senior directory at the defense of democracy will discuss how conflicts in the middle east and ukraine impact u.s. national security interests. up next, more of your calls and comments in our open forum. the lines are open, democrats (202) 748-8000, republicans

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continues. host: welcome back. it is open forum until 9:15 a.m. eastern time so interested to hear what you have to say about policy or politics. there is some political news -- tim scott has suspended his presidential campaign. abc news has reported that last night, he says when i go back to iowa, it will not be as a presidential candidate. i am spending my campaign. i think the voters have been really clear that they are telling me not now, tim. that is the political news. we will go straight to the phones, woodford, virginia, democrat. caller: you look great this morning. i'm just calling in to say i'm glad tim scott is gone.

i want thank you for fact checking these people who come on with these conspiracies and whatnot. you are about the only moderator that does that. i appreciate that. keep up the good work. thank you. host: thank you. dwight is in texas, republican, good morning. caller: hello? host: you are on the air. caller: yes, this is the first time i've call and into the program. i have a couple of things -- they talk about the up coming [indiscernible] . it's absolutely ridiculous that both parties will allow this to happen. they should have their rear ends kicked.

government is supposed to be the protector of the people. it's clearly ridiculous. i think there are way too many candidates already. i don't know anything about mr. scott. it's like going through the variety pack to get to the thing you want. i'm surprised no democrat is running against president biden. i admire him with his government experience. i have mixed ideas. hopefully both of the parties can get together and realize we are in this together. host: who will you vote for in

2024? caller: it's going to be republican. i really don't know. both parties -- i am leaning more toward a republican. host: which republican candidate do you favor the most? caller: i am very impressed with the governor of kentucky. haley. host: she is the governor -- she was the governor of south carolina. caller: i'm sorry. i'm very impressed with her background and her credentials. why can't a professional lady be our president? i think it would mean a change. host: all right, linda in north

carolina, independent. caller: hi. can you hear me? host: go right ahead. caller: i lost my list. the most important thing is they have to listen. i think kamala harris should not be the vice president. i think so that's what people are afraid of. we could take nikki haley to be the vice president and i think should be great. host: we will pause right here on the calls and talk to a reporter about the campaign. this is michelle price from the

associated press. good morning and welcome to the program. guest: good morning. host: we are previewing campaign 2024 and the week ahead. what will be the biggest issues. tim scott just dropped out so i'm assuming that's the biggest news. guest: it was a bit of a surprise. you could see even the fox news host was surprised. now that tim scott is dropping out, we will look to see whether his supporters in iowa and if they will start moving to another candidate. . a number of candidates are

expected to be at a forum on saturday. nikki haley has a couple of events and she might be the natural person for some of those supporters to move to. we will see if there any movement toward her or governor ron desantis. host: west virginia senator joe manchin announced earlier that he will not be seeking reelection for the senate. what are you looking at there? any indication he might run for president? guest: this does not help democrats. they have the very narrow lead in the senate right now. you would have had a hard time winning reelection anyway. it's unclear if he would have been able to pull that off. he made some comments in his video announcing that he wasn't

going to run that he plans to travel around the country and listen to people which is the kind of thing you do when you are running for president. he talked about finding middle ground. this summer, he appeared with the no labels group in new hampshire. he has some flirtations with the third-party run but we don't know if he is serious about it. host: jill stein said she would be running on the green party tickets or remind us of who she is. guest: she ran in 2016. she got about 1% of the vote. she took some blame from democrats.

she was blamed with maybe helping donald trump win the white house in 2016. she is considered a long shot at this point. she's got a hard left platform that is not exactly speak to host: what about the other candidates like dean phillips opposing joe biden for the democratic nomination and also cornel west and rfk junior? guest: we have some challengers for president biden within his party and some running is independence. there is no debate schedule here. the president is running his campaign as the president. these folks are out there trying

to spread a message. they are getting some support but not valuable support later don't expect them to get a real challenge for reelection. host: donald trump made some news regarding his veterans day message. can you tell us about that and what impact that might be having? guest: this is a day were typically there's been talk about veterans and service in donald trump had some of that. he had a rally in new hampshire but largely, his speech focused on what it always does which is trashing his rivals or talking and criticizing judges and prosecutors. he for referred to his opponents as vermin. he has never been someone who has soft his language but it has taken a harder tone in recent months as he's campaigning again.

host: also last week, governor kim reynolds of iowa announced she will be endorsing or has endorsed governor ron desantis. what fallout have you seen from that? guest: this is a big move for the dissent's. governor reynolds is popular in iowa. we have not seen her in past presidential cycle so we don't know how many people that might bring along to governor desantis when voting starts happening. she is well regarded among republicans in that state and it's a big notch for him. host: finally, what are you watching this week for campaign 2024? guest: all eyes are in iowa to see if we start to see bigger crowds showing up for nikki haley or governor desantis. tim scott as yet to enforce --

set is yet to endorse any candidate but there is still some time. host: the national political reporter for the associated press, thank you for joining us. we will go back to the calls on open forum -- surely in new york city, democrat, good morning. caller: good morning. i'm glad to be able to get my call in today. i just wanted to say to the people that maga republicans, why can't they use common sense? we know their leader conned their way in. are we supposed to go through four more years of his revenge?

the only thing donald trump does is try to put a dollar in his pocket. instead of paying his old lawyers, he is always begging for money for his campaign and everything. common sense tells you this man [indiscernible] people say he was a great president? go back to when he started. chapter 11, chapter 11. not paying the people that work for him. he is so corrupt and he is a very evil person.

people still want to move for him the problem is, republicans don't have another strong candidate to really run. so they run trump. we will pay for this. host: let's talk to lou in tampa, florida, republican. caller: ok, first of all, thank you for taking my call. i wish everybody in america happy thanksgiving. i was going to talk about something else but all did trump did was wrong. a lot of the leaders do the same thing trump did. but they are disparaging him. we have to get together. we have to fix our problems because the world is watching us

and a lot of countries that need us are counting on us. ukraine, israel, taiwan and, you know, j but feel they are looking at us and feel we are more parallels -- more powerless. i'm hoping for better times. we are all struggling as you know. we've got to keep airheads up and come together. god bless america. i will call you all again, goodbye. host: woodlawn, tennessee, independent, good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call. a lady called in in the last

section and talked about when we had 90% tax rates and how much better things were. the thing is, she left out that we didn't face the problems we have now. the democrats at all the money they wanted and that's exactly what they did is stand. it always thought the american this money is oh is a spin in rather than getting out of the way. that's all i have to say. thank you for taking my call.

host: let's take a look at yesterday on state of the union. the rnc chairwoman was asked about the gop messages on abortion and the losses in ohio? [video clip] >> one of the big takeaways is that making abortion front and center in elections wins. you said this week that our candidates of lost their messaging on abortion. what should republicans message be on abortion? >> i have been talking about this on your show since 2022. i am a suburban woman i get this. we put a memo out before the elections that it's up to the candidates they take those -- they take those suggestions fear. i will point to a candidate in

virginia that did a fantastic job. he won a senate race and put his daughter in an ad in she was compassionate and understood women. she wasn't coming at them as criminals because they have differences of opinion and she articulated her dad's position which is we should have common sense limitations. why can't the democrats come to that? why out they say a baby feels pain at 15 weeks? wire democrats continuing to double down on 39 weeks? >> you know most democrats don't support abortion until the end. if something like that happens that for long, it meets something has gone wrong. >> that's life as a mother and there are five or six states that have it.

you could safe we don't support that out, let's come to a consensus position and that's with a candidate in virginia did and he did an excellent job. host: that was the rnc chair speaking yesterday on state of the union on cnn. this is on the front page of "the washington post" -

caller: he's doing something fear american people.

donald trump does nothing but for himself so tell the truth and we will be all right, thank you. host: bob in new castle, pennsylvania, republican. caller: good morning, i have a couple of comments about president trump. whenever he gave the tax cuts in january of 2018, they keep saying they went to the rich. that's not true. i'm not wealthy and i got $114 per month more back on my retirement. it's not true they only went to the wealthy. also, a lot of people don't know or don't care that trump donated his entire salary to the veterans organization which is $450,000 per year in four years which is well over million dollars. he is not out for himself. that's all i have to say, thanks a lot for taking my call, goodbye. host: george in st. louis,

missouri, independent. caller: good morning, i really enjoy your show. first of all, we still live in the greatest country in the world. it's still the land of opportunity. with that being said, everybody is entitled to have an opinion. as long as your opinion doesn't cause people harm and injury, then you're entitled to that opinion. it seems to me republican, democrat, independent, i think we need term limits. i think that would be the answer. they've got term limits on the president and they need term limits on the people in congress. instead of getting in their and just being in the area to be elected and they are always

running, maybe they would do some good for the american public if they knew they had a certain amount of time and that was it. independent, republican or democrat, they never seem to get anything done. if they wanted to get something done on the border, they would do it. it cannot be that big of an issue. on this covid situation, i believe if it wasn't for trump and him pushing and pushing, it would have taken months and maybe years to get that vaccine out. he did do something, he didn't create the covid but he certainly pushed through the bureaucracy and got it passed through. thank you so much. host: john in roswell, new mexico, democrat. caller: how are you doing this morning? a few quick words on an overall

view of what's going on. this time next year, please don't pay any attention to these polls. they mean zero. they are the ones that brought you the break -- the big red wave. big red waves. that turned out to be a puddle. they keep bringing misinformation, so do not pay attention to any of the polls. in the meantime, i need to tell you all about this. donald trump was the introductory fascist. he will not be president again. there is no way he ever can be. secondly, gop will be pushing ron desantis. donald trump was simply the introductory fascist and ron desantis is the nazi. we know this. bear this in mind, my fellow

americans. thank you. host: bob and texas. good morning. caller: we seem like we want to get united, but every time we talk about people, candidates or parties, we just get totally divided. one of the few times come the first time we were ever united is written down as the first sentence of u.s. law, if you go to your courthouse. it will give you those things that united us. thomas jefferson and a vast majority of our founders put that first sentence there for a reason.

this is a summary of blackstone's quote. no human life should be suffered and until be united under that mission to not contradict, the laws of nature -- if i say with those mean, it will just cause division, but i pray that they would go to the courthouse can go to their library and start studying the entirety of u.s. law. thank you, very much. host: we are in open form until about 9:15 a.m. eastern time. we are also watching our social

media feed. here is the front page of the new york times. israel presses in on a facilities said to be at the top of the conflict. israel is consolidating its hold and forces are closing in on a medical center that has emerged as a symbol. by israel's account, the hospital has become shorthand to turning people into human shields and sacrificing them as cannon fodder. the militants have spent the better part of 16 years building a vast command complex under the hospital and setting up similar bases in the enclave.

officials agree, citing their own intelligence. hamas denies doing anything of the sort. mike is calling from marietta, georgia. caller: good morning. i hope and pray -- pray that the republicans are not as naive as they seem. they tell us the border is closed and the immigration system is broken. it is not broken. it is a bait and switch. they just want to learn republicans in and declare amnesty for all these people who have been crashing the border. we do not need any more loans or regulations. we need to enforce the laws and regulations that we have and not

debated in to some kind of reformation of the immigration system. it is not broken. joe does it, kamala does it and the republicans -- not to be debated in on such lies that we are being told. and that is what i am hoping for , that we do not buy into it. >> thank you for taking my call this morning. i have been listening in. i try to listen in as often as i can. two things. everybody's attention is on a lot of the basic points. they have some good points, but i do not think -- fighting

ukraine -- fighting in ukraine, the money that we are going to give to israel -- israel has not always done it right. they have not done the things that god has called them to do. money is sometimes not the answer. destruction is seven -- is definitely not the answer. we do not seem to be learning very much in the of wars. the innocent always get destroyed because of greed, corruption and power. host: what is the answer? caller: i think the answer is, we need to have a dialogue. we can have robots dig and succumb -- dig into tunnels. we can keep people from harm's

way, but destroying the structure, when we see money for massive weapons, it has to be bad. it is not the answer. most of the times, it is not the answer. you have to have common sense. sometimes the best politics is not to react. just that down and calm yourself. figure it out by working it out and having a conversation. if you are going -- if you do not have a solution, the problem is not solved. host: an indiana, good morning. >> i wanted to talk about ukraine and all this money that we are sending to ukraine. the president has been buying

yachts -- all the leaders over there turned in multimillionaires and they need to spend some of their money. this president over there in ukraine, he has bought mansions. he has a big mansion over here in florida. host: where you getting this? the president of ukraine is buying property in florida? caller: check out how much money he has got in all of his leaders over there. there had leaders have turned out to be multimillionaires. it is all corruption. they are corrupt over there. they are the most corrupt country in the world. it looks like now the u.s. is right there with them. the u.s. is -- the money never

adds up. how does $100 billion, missing from the pentagon? they never found that. they do not want to find it. there is no accountability for anything. all of this russian collusion, has anybody ever been held accountable for it? host: this is from 2022. ukrainian oligarchs seek to distance themselves from russia by moat -- a man has committed to building back his country but is also entrusting a luxury ship that the rest believes may belong to vladimir putin. the only thing i found about ukrainians owning yachts. next caller, independent. go ahead.

you are on the air. caller: ok. i just have a little different look on this trump campaign. i think it was just as much the democrat's fault as it was everybody else. the democrats hounded mr. trump and hounded him the whole time he was in the white house. that made the trump supporters and others angrier and angrier and i do not care -- they had had enough. it was just the tip of the iceberg. mr. trump is angry and i do not blame him a bit.

if something came up with accusations against me, i would be angry as well. as far as the election results, i think they could have been messed up by the democrats. nancy pelosi would do anything to keep them out of the white house and out of the capital. she said anything. i'm so tired of all these people saying mr. trump lied. if they had dug into the past president's past way they dug into mr. trump's past, they would have found many skeletons in the closet. if they are a politician, they will lie for their cause. thank you for answering. goodbye.

host: buffalo, new york, democrat. good morning. caller: good morning. i am in new york state. i have a cousin who hates trump. she just swears and hates him. i heard earlier that someone called him a nazi or whatever. you look at everything and what my point is, the election. i believe the election was stolen in 2020 and the reason why, they say, show me the proof. well, one of the proof is the hatred. if you hate someone and you are in a position of taking over the election in some despicable way

because he is a tyrant, you are going to do it. there is the first proof right there. if you look at it, you will find proof. they do not want to listen and they do not when to debate. the name trump is hated so much. that is my opinion. caller: good morning. we do not have a supply problem anymore, but joe biden is too stubborn. we just cannot go on like this for another few years. people are getting poorer. i do not care if you do not like him or not, but -- host: are you talking about releasing the strategic energy reserves? caller: no.

the drilling and fracking that joe biden stopped. things were great when trump was president. i do not care if you hate him or not. i know he can be rude and everything, but we are going to lose america, the way things are going now. that is my peace. host: one more call. good morning. caller: i am surprised when i hear some of these individuals say some of the hypocritical things they will say, such as wanting to have a candidate for president who, if he had that she had 91 charges against him. we normally would not elect that person. i do not know why sensible, intelligent people cannot make

themselves recognize that this is not someone who should be running for president. someone says he made 450,000 dollars. that is not correct. the salary is 400,000 that he can use in his office. the third thing that i think is very important and people do not touch it as if it is a hot potato. it occurred to me when we had phillips and when we have people debating and deciding. they are not thinking of the fact that individuals see a person in mind is kamala harris and she would be up for the same office not the absolutely

competent hillary was rejected from. they do not want to say it because it is not politically correct. i happen to be african-american and i sent to an old law school friend of mine that it is hitting me that they hammer on his age because he is 80, but he is only three years older than this pompous person running for president on the other side. they cannot just go in and hammer. why won't people talk about these things? host: that is the last call for open forum. coming up next, the senior director talks about conflicts in the middle east and ukraine and how they impact security

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host: welcome back to washington journal. mark, welcome to the program. let's start with those attacks on iraq and syria. what has been your reaction to that? >> that have been quite a few attacks. we have been extremely fortunate that there have been -- there have been several dozen injuries. they sometimes evidences and sells a little later. what is most disconcerting is the soft response. we had two independent strikes on iranian facilities in syria and iraq.

in my mind, 40 attacks against facilities that have not only killed people -- it warrants a stronger response. i think it is both. most things go hand-in-hand. when you mess with defense systems that have been engaged, we also have mortar systems engaged with shorter ones. but then, someone just comes through with it. we get just enough warning to get people in shelters. host: these have been iran

proxies. some candidates at the last debate were talking very explicitly about attacking iran itself. what is your reaction to that? guest: there are three things you could do. you could attack iran itself. he could hammer the proxies much harder, strike their active troop concentrations and strength to facilities on a persistent basis. finally, we could -- we should have stronger sanctions were imposed on iran. punish the proxies. host: working at the defense department as a secretary for middle east policy, she was speaking at a recent house of

foreign affairs for support for israel and response. >> since october 17, the u.s. basis and facilities have been attacked 41 times. on october 26, at president biden's direction, u.s. forces conducted operations. we will not hesitate to protect our people, to underscore, in response to a pattern of attacks against u.s. personnel and facilities. the continuing threat of future acts. if necessary, it will continue to take action against the irgc

and its ability -- affiliates. with the intention to de-escalate threats against the u.s., our interest and our people. host: what do you think of that, mark? guest: that sounds like we are going to take action, making aggressive action against people , but the reality is that 40 plus attacks were responded to by two singular airstrikes. that is disproportionate in the wrong way. we need to elevate the level of strikes. they are literally firing at us every day and we should be hitting at them every day. the way we deter future data action is to impose punishment

on the bad actors when they do the wrong thing. if we only strike back, we are eventually going to lose service members. host: does that work with iran? does that risk escalation at a volatile time? >> i think it will work. this kind of escalation fear is actually placed in the hands of iranians, who believe that we are not fully committed. they believe we are always looking for an offramp. i recognize that we have to be the adult in the room, but we are not willing the iranian proxies accountable for their actions. we need to be hitting them nearly every day. host: if you would like to call

in with your comments or questions, you can do that on our line. director of the fbi was testifying before congress a few weeks ago and was talking about threats to the homeland of the u.s. it might not just be kinetic that we have to worry about. what are the chances of iran launching a cyberattack against the u.s., especially critical infrastructure? guest: i think iran is our most capable adversary. the likelihood of something happening includes the willingness of the adversary to do it.

iran might be more willing than china or russia to have an attack against u.s. attributed to them. i think there is some potential now. i think they do have a willingness. they have some limited capability. i think it would impact a business or industry. it would impact a small region rather than a large industrial sector. we found a lot of chinese and russian malware in our power grids and telecommunication systems. i think we are finally beginning to report that out. they are talking about what they see adversaries doing.

i do not think they have the toehold of ever systems. that does not mean they cannot do something. we always wondered why russia responded to ukraine but i think part of it is they feel they would be held accountable. there is some likelihood for this. i think director wray was more worried about the long-term impact of chinese and russian installation of malware. they are putting in their hooks. they could begin to signal to us and take down parts of our military. support systems, aviation networks. it says that you will be hampered or harmed in cyberspace

, if you do this fight with us. i do not think we have seen that but it does not mean they cannot have an attack against us. host: congress has not funded that yet. we're not quite sure what will happen, but how urgent is that need, given all of the military aid that they have received from the u.s.? >> i will take the israeli one first. 3.5 billion. fighting to restore what they expected, what they have expended over the last month. 3.5 billion is for a drawdown. i think we are seeing that in small problems, but very

accurate. it is what we want them to use instead of any kind of urban combat. they have systems for engaging. about 1.2 billion to develop the laser version. 14 billion is critical today. israel has a lot of adversaries. ukraine support is a much larger package. it is made up of about $15 billion worth, pulling into our stocks and buying new equipment

in the u.s. i think it is important to understand that i hear complaints about the money that we have given so far. almost 40 billion of that is procurement of systems for u.s. factories. this money isn't going to ukraine. it is going to arkansas, texas, arizona. it is making our army -- they are pushing and buying new equipment. they come back up, but we are modernizing our army.

i am sometimes confused about why they would be opposed to this kind of sport. that is about how much we are spending on ukraine each year. the are doing significant damage. they do not acknowledge that they have territorial aspirations. for many countries out there, they have been brought to their knees but have been significantly impacted. >> is there an ending insight? >> i think they are starting to

land. there has been some movement of the logistics flow that they use for the land bridge, but they have not suffered it. i would say that is disappointing. 110 the size with a smaller gdp. ukrainians held them off. if we could go back in time, we did provide significant support. levered delayed but in hindsight , it opened up the longer-range artillery.

they were significantly delayed. i think next year could be a much more productive year, but they need that military assistance. host: christopher, are you there? caller: can you hear me? i think the national security distorts -- discourse and systems in the u.s., they are on the ground with large protests. i'm sure they will spread to los angeles. also, there has been a serious decline in the public's

perception of doing the jobs that are required to carry out military operations. a bunch of people are ready to sign up for war. we keep talking about the spending bills. the reality is they are at the highest capacity and nobody has idea of where it comes from. i feel like the less has entered an expanded war in the middle east. the security discourse of iran or this i have an/russia/china threat -- we should find it way to de-escalate whatever is happening. focus on the security

competition, which is to raise more capital and build more technologies. carrying out a military operation, the last and they did such a thing was in the late 1980's. host: a lot of issues there. go ahead. guest: he is right that there are a lot of protests. i do not agree with the protesters, but i'm sure -- i'm fine with taking sure they have the right to protest. the army missed by a large number. it has to do with what kind of jobs are available in the economy. the army, the navy -- they have historically struggled to recruit. i'm a little bit worried about

such a high percentage. my son is in. sometimes they get the desire to join because the parent was in the military. i wish we were not drawing from all. most of the factories could have produced 10 times we are producing today. for 20 years, we said, we are only ordering 30. they have produced 30. in reality, it is growing.

it is money that goes directly to building factory production levels. i think that problem will solve it self. host: next caller. caller: they are there without approval. they are also there against the wishes of the internationally recognized government of syria. there has also have bent -- there have also been reports they have been stealing wheat

and shipping it across the border. that is a war crime. thank you. i will take the answer. guest: there is no evidence that the u.s. is stealing oil. we do not have too many farmers in u.s. army and we have very small unit. there is a broader use of military force against terrorism and they are there to protect ethnic and religious minorities. they have been ruthlessly attacked by a vicious government. the u.s. has been delayed in

that war. it is inappropriate to say that we are committing war crimes. i think the posture has achieved a broader stabilization effect and stayed lives. host: they are said to meet very soon. what will you be looking at during those meetings and what should be? guest: we want these meetings more than the chinese. we want to have better national

security communications. particularly since the balloon spying incident last year. the u.s. really wants it, badly. china has supported the illegal invasion. around africa and south africa, china has conducted a harassment of taiwan. china is conducting -- china is the leading intellectual property. we have to to put that into perspective. they control the reports very well. it is a precursor, which kill

upwards of 8000. let's be clear that china is the problem in this relationship. too much looking for something instead of commanding something. i think this could go poorly. host: given how tingly i, it is not like we can cut them off. guest: i once make sure that we do not empower their military. international politics, the idea is, our talks should be with the important allies in the region. that is japan, korea, taiwan, singapore, australia and

indiana. we should be focused on then. we will do some trade review. we will no longer go to these meetings. wanting something from you and taking a minor concession. caller: good morning. my name is nick. i am a lebanese american, christian. i want to pay respect to your guest and i want to thank him for his service. i also pray for our troops everywhere, not just those in the middle east, but i pray for them everywhere. american and lebanese. i am an american first, but listening at the beginning of the program, when you start

referring to the people, we refer to them as the iranian proxies. that is anti-inflammatory. it turns me off and i am a christian. i am as moderate as they come and when i hear that they are attacking sites, we referred to them as iranian. iran has nothing to do with what they are doing. they just give them weapons. we do not call them proxies. we do not call them u.s. proxies. by refraining to those, they are

resistance forces. just call them what they are. use year them saying it, that is into -- anti-semites way. -- that is inflammatory. host: you think organizations like hezbollah or hamas would even exist without ivanna? caller: when israel exists without the support of western europe and u.s.? i can ask the same question. we have double standards. in 2006, they were attacked. the lebanese question -- christians and other factions of lebanon. absolutely no control over hezbollah. they have their own to people.

they operate independently and they are weaponized by iran. same thing with ivan. -- iran. let's go back. since 1897. guest: thank you for your question. they are not firing at u.s. forces. if they did, he would hold them accountable. but definitely, you can have supported organizations who are responsible.

overwhelming intelligence taking direction from iran. when you do your actions and the bidding of another, that makes you a proxy in this case. hamas is not a proxy for anybody. they are doing the attacks themselves. they are a terroristic organization that needs to be held accountable. caller: thank you for taking my call. i have several questions, but i will make it quick. the american people have total amnesia. i had to listen to joe biden

keep saying that no one, no one -- the taliban could take over afghanistan in 11 days. i still cringe when i hear that. and i do not know where they come up with it. anyone in the military would have known. i cannot understand why it is like -- it has been treated like a superpower. guest: thank you for your service. i am also disappointed. whether you support the withdrawal or not, the execution

was poor. they clearly -- part of the administration was hoping for a year. the military was given three to six months. it was absolutely a poorly executed, poorly understood operation. they should be held accountable for that. that does not mean that we are not properly assessing the situation in ukraine or with hamas and israel. the u.s. has spent a significant amount on iran, over the past 40 years. i agree that we have not gotten

-- it has not devolved either. you can see some success in our efforts. caller: hello. i would like to ask, what you think is the real reason that putin is attacking ukraine? they are built on permafrost. couldn't vladimir putin be trying to get more land? guest: what i would say is, while there is some truth to that, russia has a crumbling

infrastructure. living beyond a petrochemical-based economy, gas and oil based economy, i think the actual reason for putin to invade is that he believes in restoring russia to its soviet union borders. he has been working on the invasion. there was an invasion of ukraine where he took crimea. for whatever reason, he decided to try to gain more. he clearly had that she thought this would be a quick in and out and she would have control of ukraine. from my perspective, belarus is a very pliant board estate and

he misjudged it. host: good morning. caller: how are you doing? host: good. caller: my question is, what is the difference between hamas and the terrorists in the u.s. shooting up schools? guest: hamas is between 830 to 40 person organization. there is an organized effort to eliminate the state of israel. it is a palestinian state. what happens are generally low wolf actors who have a problem

or a mental health issue. host: we have a question that came in. he says, ily agree that we should support israel a ukraine. during the obama and biden adrati, the russians and chinese developed weapons. how can we defend ourselves against the weapon? it seems like we should modernize our military quickly. guest: that is a good question. saver is my primary issue. it is an interesting issue. the u.s. is spending money like a drunken sailor, about $4 billion a year and hypersonic weapons to catch up with russia

and china. i'm confident that we will catch up with them over time over the next three to four years. where i am less confident is our hypersonic defense. it is 1/10 of what we are spending on offense. the russian and chinese will have the capability. missile defenses are all at risk. weirdly, during this administration, it has moved to 2034. they are not willing to take risks and push the money rapidly that shows some expectation of success. that lack of risk-taking is important.

with hypersonic weapons, it could be a strategic game changer. host: joseph on the independent lying, good morning. caller: i wanted to quickly say that i do not think we should be playing a game of one upmanship with each other because it just causes the other side to ratchet it up. so, i am sorry to disagree rather than negotiating directly at the table. there are differences that we have. host: what do you think?

guest: thank you for the call. i think china is willing to negotiate on a -- china will not negotiate its belief that taiwan should be fully integrated into china at some point. china -- when a country allows precursors -- they play hardball. please stop. that is how it works. it works from developing a capability and having someone believe that you can use that capability. host: good morning. caller: i have one question.

it is a mess. there is a certain belief that our failure to deal the chinese has somehow caused the division of ukraine and somehow caused the destabilization were furthered established dictation -- further destabilization in the middle east. it has invited were caused destabilization. host: walter, i think we got it. guest: he did it out of nationalistic reasons.

i think he was surprised at the commitment in the aftermath. yes, i think that is not consistent with how we responded in afghanistan. but that is not our problem. that is putin's problem. he conducted an illegal invasion of ukraine. the biden administration led an aggressive attempt to counter it. host: lasquestion from california, does admiral montgomery agree with the assumption that we are moving -- removing hamas in gaza will make it uninhabitable for decades? guest: i think parts of gaza are uninhabitable today.

it will take three things. to destroy 85 to 90% and driving the rest out. and saudi arabia, who is the leader of the arab world in this context. there is economic support to be billed gaza. the palestinians -- i think it could be restored. i think israel understands that they need to be out of gaza. host: the defense of democracies . you can find it. thank you for joining us. guest: thank you for having me.

host: that is all the time we have for today's program. we would be back tomorrow at 7:00 eastern. have a good day. >> today, republican congressman bob good and other antiabortion advocates discuss the abortion pill, hosted by the heritage foundation, live coverage starts at 11:00 a.m. on c-span. c-span now, or online at c-span.org. >> congress return later today, facing a friday de to fund the government and avert

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the book was written in 1980, shortly after developing a television series by the same name that argues for pre-trade, lower taxes, limited government regulation and school choice. free to choose continues to spark debate today. in 1976, milton friedman won the nobel prize for economics and was an advisor of margaret thatcher and ronald reagan, who presented him with the presidential medal of freedom in 1988. laney even stein, author of milton friedman, a biography, will join us to discuss the book. watch books that shaped america, featuring free to choose, tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern on c-span, c-span now our free mobile video app or c-span.org. sure to scan the qr code to listen to our companion podcasts where you can learn more about the authors of the books featured.

♪ >> when you read about the political history of illinois, you often see the word corruption. for instance, from january of 1961 until january of 2009, illinois citizens elected eight different men to be their governor's. four of those eventually went to prison. all convicted after they were out of office. robert e hartley has written 11 books about the politicians of illinois, including one tled power, purpose and prison. mr. hartley writes that these men met their downfall under different circumstans. he asks where did they go wrong and were they able to recover self-respect, in spite of their punishment? >> rubber hartley withower, purpose and prison on this episode of book notes plus. book notes plus is available now on the c-span3 mobile app or wherever you get your podcasts. >> c-span is your unfiltered view of government.

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