coming uon washington journal your calls and comments live. dinesh d'souza talks about his latest film police state. democratic congressman adam smith joins us to talk about aid going tosrael in ukraine and bob deans of e national resources defense council talks about the impact of climate change. washington journal is next. host: welcome to the washington journal on this thursday president biden in san francisco meeting with the chinese leader

president xi. the first time they have moved -- met face-to-face in over a year. they have agreed to a reopening military communications and battling fentanyl. for democrats (202) 748-8000, for republicans (202) 748-8001, for independents (202) 748-8002 you can also text us with your city and state at (202) 748-8003 or on facebook facebook.com/cspan. after meeting with the chinese leader in san francisco on the sidelines of the asia-pacific economic cooperation summit president biden holds a news conference last night and here's what he had to say about the

resumption of military dialogue with china. [video clip] >> we are re-assuming military to military direct contact. it has been cut off and that is how accidents and misunderstandings happen. we are back to open, clear communication on a direct basis. no miscalculations on either side, it can cause real trouble with the major country. i think we have made real progress there as well. it is important for the world to see that we are implementing the approach in the best traditions of american diplomacy. were talking to our competitors being blown up with one another so there is no misunderstanding as a key element to maintaining

global stability. in the months ahead we will continue to preserve high-level diplomacy to the prc and keep the lines of communication open between president xi and me. if either one calls each other they will be spoken with immediately. the washington post knows that this agreement on communication reestablishes key military panels and communication and a burst of anger over house speaker nancy pelosi's trip to taiwan. they also agreed to strengthen narcotics -- here is the president on that. >> after many years of being on hold we are restarting cooperation between the united

states and prc on counter narcotics. in 20, china took action to reduce the amount of fentanyl shipped from china to the united states but since that time they have evolved from finished fennel to chemical ingredients and pill presses which are being shipped without control. some of these pills are being inserted into other drugs that a lot of people are dying. more people between the ages from 18-49 die from conventional than any other cause. with this new understanding we will reduce the flow of precursor chemical and pill pressers. this will save lives and i appreciate president xi's commitment on this issue. we have test our teams to make

sure that it works. host: president biden on this agreement with the chinese leader on combating fentanyl. it made the business section of the new york times. china to stop the flow of fentanyl. they have stopped more fentanyl from entering the united states than in the prior venous -- previous five years. synthetic opiates may have resulted in over 77,000 overdose deaths in the united states between 2022 and april 2023. the problem with overdoses are acute in san francisco. china was the primary source of fentanyl coming in through the

mail. the chinese government agreed to prohibit the production and sale except through special licenses but that resulted in chinese countries -- companies rerouting through mexico. the main source became mexican criminal organization that use chinese components and money laundering services. we go to joe in georgia, a republican. what you make of this agreement between these two leaders? caller: i love c-span and i've been calling for 30 years. i think that's good to stop the fentanyl but i think biden is an extremely weak president. i am looking forward to getting trump back in office because i think china has been stealing our technology for years.

i think we ought to adopt another approach. i'm happy that they're helping to stop fentanyl but i don't trust biden to be strong enough to deal with the chinese leader. i do trust donald trump. c-span you do a great job keep up the great work. host: thank you for calling in all these years. back to that article u.s. officials have said problems have compounded because many of the ingredients used to make fentanyl our legal chemicals that can be used for legitimate purposes and other industries. in september biden added china to the list of major drug producing countries. this morning, we are getting your thoughts on president

biden's meeting with xi jinping. on the sidelines of the asia-pacific economic summit. the two met there and talked for four hours and their meeting and agreements are making headlines in the papers this morning. democrats (202) 748-8000, republicans (202) 748-8001 and independents (202) 748-8002. text us as well include your first name city, state at (202) 748-8003 you can join us on facebook facebook.com/cspan or on acts with the handle http://twitter.com/cspanwj. the china moved to reopen ties biden

and xi agreed to communications in the world is big enough for both powers. you have the wall street journal as well, biden and xi dial back rancor to stabilize ties. david from mulberry, florida, a republican. caller: good morning thank you for taking my call. i wanted to comment on both of the issues out of the summit yesterday. the communication between china and the u.s. as far as the military, i really don't agree with that. i agree at higher levels the president, vice president but not the military level. we saw this with mark milley

communicating with the russians and whoever else. trump may be crazy enough i'll call you before trump can do anything. any kind of attack i'll call you first. in world war ii, if one of truman's people his head general had called hirohito and said, this guy is crazy and he's thinking about dropping the bomb on you. that should never happen at that level. even the joint chiefs of staff should never be involved in that. host: i went to get your reaction to the reporting on reopening military cooperation. they will likely face disagreements with elections and taiwan.

the u.s. and china have differed sharply over the israel/hamas war as well. caller: i didn't hear that part of it on the wall street journal. the other point i was going to make was on the fentanyl. that is so easy to get around. it's not even meaningful. china kinship precursors to somewhere in europe and they can send it wherever in the world. just to say that he will make sure it doesn't get into north america, that is meaningless. the one thing i've never heard anyone say this only one person has said this, if china is making most of our prescription drugs what is to say they can't

put fentanyl in those? and the legitimate drug supply? those are all my comments this morning. host: thank you for calling and we appreciated. republican senator mitch mcconnell said biden was naive when it came to economic competition with china. [video clip] >> strategic competition with china will decide the next course, but the biden administration has met this moment with weakness, naivete and sacrifice competition on the altar of green climate policy. in the quest to change the

automobile industry electric he has made peace with sending tax dollars to the chinese that dominate battery making input. in pursuit of climate diplomacy, the administration has been left out of beijing, it keeps increasing its carbon emissions and has no plan to cut them for years. host: senate leader mitch mcconnell on the floor yesterday. from the washington post, the u.s. and china will restart talks on climate. the united states and china the largest greenhouse gas emitters are in talks.

the two countries said they would also step up coordination on curbing methane and work together to speed up the transition away from fossil fuels to renewable energy. the announcements were made in a joint statement between john kerry and his chinese counterpart. erica from maryland, and independent. caller: i don't trust one think that the chinese say and i will tell you why. when it comes to the economy, they will steal whatever they can from the united states. they come over here and kill their own dissidents to flee their own oppressive regime. when it comes to their own population in china especially if they are muslim they are in concentration labor camps. when it comes to the fentanyl

crisis, i want to see one country that would have such a devastating crisis in the united states. it comes from china and imported here and comes across a border that is wide open. it's almost an act of war that we haven't country like china that literally exterminates a generation of americans with all of these illegal drugs. i have been watching this for 15 years. and it gets worse and worse. we need to close down the border and there should be some serious consequences for a country like china who supplies all of this stuff so this can happen. this is not an accident i think this is done on purpose which is

why i don't trust them. i think there should be some serious consequences in our government should take a look at this economically. i don't want everything we buy from china i want things produced in america. host: you may be interested, on capitol hill homeland security mayorkas testified about global threats to the homeland and part of that conversation was the southern border. you say that you want to close down then you may be interested in what those officials told lawmakers. go to c-span.org and when you hit the play had the stars will appear in those are the moments of interest you can follow along there.

in jamestown, north carolina, h dale. caller: i am so thankful for c-span which provides a national forum. the first commen am so happy to see equity for the host there are four or five female ersus males. the old set looked like it was put together at a flea market flight. in the third -- and the t president xiiting with president biden, even though united states is a massive country i would like them to declare bankr in, great britainhe

japanese have sand surrounding eir countries. let these countries pounce and as we go and declare bankruptcy d say to all of those countries so we are not s partiality just to china and say, we are bankrupt our debt i 33 trillion we wil you back some of these funds, perhaps 2 the fentanyl has to stop and the purchasing of landing companies in the united states has to stop. this will get china's attention when they see we are not to honor debtswe owe to china, i think the government of ina will we better stop manufacturing fentanyl and we better get our human rights

position and moral character. host: those ideas on how to deal with china. president biden meeting with the leader yesterday and announcing that the two have agreed to reopen military dialogue as well as combat fentanyl coming into the united states. we will take more of your calls on the presidents meeting with the chinese leader in the agreements that were announced yesterday. he held a news conference and will show you more of that on the washington journal along with your calls. joining us now is a congressional reporter with axios here to talk about the ethics committee report on george santos. when will we see this report? guest: where expecting to see this report later today. they said it will not include a

recommendation for expulsion but it should be interesting to see what the committee found there. host: what do we know about this report in the investigation? guest: the investigation has been going on for months in an effort to expel george santos last month the members said the ethics report had not been dropped yet. the report will not recommend expulsion that they will try to force a vote on that. host: what were they looking into exactly? guest: he has admitted to multiple lies and misleading voters in there been allegations of misuse of candidates funds. host: you have mentioned earlier

attempts to expel george santos. who was behind them in do we expect to see that again? guest: it was republican freshman members and they are expected to bring it back up after the report. we heard dan goldman say he is willing to bring a petition forward. we will see how it all plays out there. host: what were the votes like the first time this effort was brought to the floor and do you suspect that changes? guest: some members were saying they were waiting to see what was in the ethics report so we could see an influx of members. but he is a reliable vote for the gop leadership so that

remains to be seen. host: the former speaker kevin mccarthy sent george santos would be removed if the panel concluded he broke the law. what has speaker johnson said? guest: i have not spoken to speaker johnson but he will be reading the report. host: there will be news coming out. if he is expelled what happens to that seat? guest: we would see a special election and a lot of the new york freshmen have been frustrated with congressman santos and would like to see someone else there. he is not the most popular colleague among the new york delegation. it will be interesting. host: they will be watching for this ethics report and you can follow her reporting if you go to axios.com on x.

host: we appreciate reporting. guest: thank you for having me. host: back to president biden and president xi on military dialogue and battling fentanyl. jason an independent. thank you for waiting. caller: first of all i appreciate your interviewing style. it's a breath of fresh air. i appreciate what c-span does. if we are speaking about president xi, are we speaking about the meeting? i think it's a wonderful thing. host: tell us why. caller: as a humanist, a human being, why should we not converse?

why are we so partisan? our differences are our strengths we are a small planet. host: do you trust the chinese leader? guest: i trust joe biden. host: tell us why. guest: i trust him more than donald trump because he has a good heart in my opinion and he has great people around him. i understand that he is aged and i don't proclaim to have ageism so i understand the stages of life. sometimes i think he needs to get out on the campaign trail

and proclaim his strengths. proclaim what he is done. host: respond to the wall street journal as they write this, mr. biden -- president xi and china are buying oil from tirana that helps fund the militias that are targeting israel. chinese leaders smile and toasted the friendship between the two people while they undermine u.s. interests. mr. biden has responded to this with far more solicitous menace than deserved. mr. biden did not want mr.xi

to decline this visit. he goes on to write that mr. she is signing up mr. biden personally contemplating how the 81-year-old president will be as an adversary if relations turned to the worse. we will go to james in maryland. anybody can respond to what you heard from that editorial. caller: sometimes i want to laugh but it's not even funny. everyone is getting played and they always fall for it. you have republican saying this about the democrats and whichever team that you are on

you always think your sides telling you the truth. but this is a capitalist country and everything is about making money. we don't produce anything here everything we ever made is done. we don't make anything. and china takes everything we made and they do it better than they do it faster. for all the people that politicians are going to do something. every company in this country they do one thing, they buy products cheap somewhere else sacrifice american labor and keep doing it because they keep making money. and americans keep voting for the same people over and over. host: do you think president biden should have even met with the chinese leader?

caller: whatever he says will not be truthful. we are just being manipulated and that's just what it is. host: we have an independent in virginia. caller: between covid and fentanyl of these culprits are the cause of all of it and they are monsters. host: jonathan in columbus, ohio. caller: i am calling for the meeting between mr. biden and the chinese leader. why would biden called the chinese leader a dictator when he doesn't say anything.

how can you call another leader, a sovereign state a dictator? while you want to make peace with him? it doesn't sound right. host: at that news conference that biden held in san francisco he was asked about whether or not he regards president xi as a dictator and this is his response. [video clip] >> he is a dictator in the sense that he runs a country that is a communist country. host: president biden responding to a question about the chinese leader is a dictator. joy from new york, a democratic caller. caller: yes, good morning thank

you for taking my call. xi is a dictator because if you don't have elections and one man is at the helm, that is a dictator. he is not wrong. i just want to say that biden is doing an extraordinary job. i am so glad that he is experienced because this is very delicate. there are so many things going on that he is struggling and he can't tell us everything that is happening. believe me, he is working very hard. i am glad that he met with xi. he doesn't trust him, he doesn't trust anybody. he is looking out for us, the

american people. host: he was asked if he trust the chinese leader. he said trust but verify as the old saying goes. caller: but believe me, he doesn't trust him. host: edward in new jersey, and independent. caller: hello, the fentanyl and opioid epidemic started with the sackler family that pushed the opiates on our country. even if they got rid of fentanyl, no country can do

anything on their own. pbs had a great documentary on this. every country needs cooperation to create a high-tech future. the chinese do a lot of things on their own well but they can't do everything that americans do the americans can't do everything that the chinese do and we need to drop all of this nonsense and just be humans and realize we live on one biosphere and we need to make it work for everything. we need a modern civilization if were going to be getting anywhere we need to cooperate and drop all this nonsense. host: an update for all of you on the government funding deadline. the house approved a two-step

continuing resolution put forth by speaker mike johnson in the senate does so as well. there were 10 democrats and one democrat voting in opposition. they approve the continuing resolution. here is chuck schumer talking about it on the floor yesterday. [video clip] >> i have goodness for the american people. this friday night there will be no government shutdown. because of bipartisan cooperation we are keeping the government open without any poison pills. a great outcome for the american people, can we applaud it? i am pleased speaker johnson realized he needed democratic

votes to avoid a shut down. if he is willing to work with democrats then we can avoid shutdowns in the future and finish the work of finding the government. today's cr is a good first step in a very good omen for the future. i hope we see more bipartisanship down the line. every time i have gotten on the phone with the speaker is stressed we needed bipartisanship if he wanted to finish the appropriations process. i hope he continues to choose the bipartisan approach as he commendably has in his first foray. keeping the government open is a good outcome but we have a lot more to do after thanksgiving. we must finish passing the emergency supplemental with aid to israel, ukraine, humanitarian assistance for civilians in

gaza. we will work with leader mcconnell on the way forward. i know both sides care about providing aid to israel and ukraine and helping innocent civilians in gaza so i hope we can come to an agreement even if neither side gets what they insist on. we will also complete our work on the act. i think leader mcconnell, vice chair collins and all of the appropriators. again, no government shutdown. no custom vital programs and no poison pills. host: that was chuck schumer on the floor yesterday on the bipartisan vote 87-11 they approved that two-step continuing resolution.

conservatives in the house signal trouble. republicans tanked a produral vote underscoring the problems republicans are having in e funding process. after the failed procedural vote tom emmer said no photos would be expected in the house until november 28. the chamber was scheduled to hold a vote thursday afternoon. so they went home after they pass the two step resolution but chip roy came to the floor to criticize his arteries leadership over the decision to pass the cr. >> why do you get so animated on

the floor? somebody has to stand up for the people who want to be heard in this town. if i see another bill focused on diversity, equity and inclusion in all of these nonsensical programs that we can afford much less if they're good for the united states rather than figure out how to have bullets, planes and boats. rather than securing the border and making them show up to the border every day outmanned, outgunned and with the mission to usher people into the united states under the name of compassion using false interpretations of the law to allow terrorists and criminals to come into the united states and in danger of people. a police officer that i went to

a vigil for he was killed by someone on the terrorist watch list. what in the hell is wrong with this country? are we not sovereign? do we not believe we should secure this country for the people of the united states? if we were serious we would not leave town without ensuring that we are secure? we would not leave town without foreseeing chuck schumer to the table because republicans control this chamber or at least they say they are republicans. i don't understand how you can go through the trouble of campaigning, raising money talking to people, coming to this town as a member of the party who stands for something. allegedly stands for eliminating debt, securing the border,

strong military, ending the wokeness that is killing our kids and do nothing about it. i want my republican colleagues to give me one thing that i can go campaign on and say we did. if you want to come down to the floor and explained to me one material, meaningful significant theme of republican majority has done besides not being as bad as the democrats. host: chip roy after the body was slated to adjourn because they had passed that continuing resolution and avoided a government shutdown. back to our dialogue about president biden's meeting with

the chinese leader s francisco. the presidentnnnced the two have agreed to open military communications to combat conventional - fentanyl coming into the uniteds. caller: my thoughts on fentanyl, why don't they just t legal. it would se production all over the world that is been done with other drugs. it's a pain rier. they have done it with many other drugs in the world. just stop it. then tuld not have the chemicals to make it. ar republicans always saying to close the border. i don't hear them say anything besides that. what are they supposed to do?

what we do with all those people? i wonder what my grandfather would do if he could not get into the country because they wouldn't let anybody in. host: from washout, wisconsin, a republican. caller: the one thing i found interesting about the meeting between the head of china and bided was the press conference afterward. it was amazing the president took questions. he knew what the questions were going to be and he couldn't get through half of the questions. we have a feeble, doddering president who was so weak and china is going to take advantage of this. china knows they have provided

in their back pockets. this press conference showed china just how weak the president is in my prediction is xi jinping will invade taiwan within weeks. host: we have brian in culver city, and independent. caller: they keep showing president xi and bided they keep talking about the money he sent to biden. biden is embarrassing. i grew up a democrat my entire life and i am beyond embarrassed . they were cool, they were generous and mellow. the republicans were country club and stingy. but the democrats sold out.

the country has been come embarrassing. host: catherine from new jersey. caller: it is a beautiful day here. sunny, cool, lovely. jason from south dakota, i loved what he had to say about the meeting with president biden and xi. it never hurts to talk to your opponents and enemies and we can't tell foreign people what to do. but we can influence their decision-making. there's nothing like and i and i when you're talking to somebody. happy veterans day and happy thanksgiving to all who are

listening into you greta. you guys have a good day. host: in the washington times story about the meeting, president biden and president xi jinping met after a year of silence in a bid to reduce tension and improve lines of communication after months of friction. stephen in tennessee, a republican. what you have to say about the meeting? caller: i think it's fantastic. don't underestimate biden. he has so much experience. they're always looking for something to upset the nation. you can't quit making fentanyl

people need help to help relieve pain. have a good thanksgiving. host: let's hear from anthony in detroit, and independent. caller: i see a strong chinese leader and i think he cares about the welfare of china but bided his feeble, doddering. 20 years ago we set the middle east on fire but now china is coming out and we can't dictate how the world will go unilaterally. the sackler's post opioids on our population needlessly. our enemies are not china, it's an elite class of people. they are in congress, think tanks they appear on your

programs. they run fortune 500 companies. our enemy is internal not external. host: president biden meeting with the chinese leader and they agreed to make an effort to combat internal coming into the united states. -- fentanyl. here's what chuck schumer had to say about his conversation on the floor. [video clip] >> i look forward to the continuing conversation about the spread of fentanyl. i relayed to jake sullivan that the president should be strong on this during his meeting.

we wanted chinese law enforcement to coordinate with u.s. law enforcement and enforce laws on the books to seo precursor chemicals that go into the making of fentanyl. it's an american crisis with roots in china. where large chemical companies openly sell precursor chemicals to mexico where it is manufactured by gangs and sold in the united states. when my colleagues and i met with president xi we were frank about how fentanyl is devastating our communities. i told president xi that if they crackdown on precursor chemicals it would be a great deal for them. they would receive a boost in american goodwill that would

outweigh the cost on their economy. any good businessman would see that this is a great trade. he seemed receptive to our concerns and i believe there is a good chance we will get good news coming out of today's meeting. host: that was chuck schumer on the senate floor yesterday ahead of the announcement by president biden that he met with the chinese leader and they would agreed to combat fentanyl coming into the united states. they also made an announcement on opening military communications and here is the post on x saying military to liry dialogue between the u.s. and china is a good step. we should coexist and avoid catastrophic wars despite the has in congress that upset us on that path. you can join us on x at c-span.

.wj. caller: i fully support the meetg tween the two leaders and a lot of these republicans are saying that biden is weak and he's not doing his job. i think he's doing a great job in this meeting was important because republicans don't understand that any kind of conflict with china will be catastrophic not only for us but the whole world because they control so many factors of the world economy. this was an important meeting. we could not adversarial with china we have to be fair and that is what president biden did, be diplomatic about it. that's the only way you can resolve these issues and move forward. i strongly support the man.

host: john in new york, a republican. what you think? caller: not good we have a week president and they know it. china knows it, he's very weak. i think he is in bed with china getting payoffs. secondly, he should worry about open borders. our borders are not secure. he is very weak. host: on your border point something we mentioned earlier on the front page of the washington times, terrorist groups still use the border according to a biden official alongside christopher wray and the homeland security secretary. we covered that hearing on c-span and you can find it if you go to c-span.org.

you don't have to watch the hours of testimony if you want you can press play on the video and just jumped through using those gold stars and that will give you an idea of all the key moments from yesterday's hearing. the chinese are playing the lo ga and their own version of chess. he shifts all responsibility to his staff including antony blinken. caller: i am from philadelphia, tennessee. host: you're right, thank you for clarifying. caller: happy thanksgiving. on this military thing, people have to realize your average

chinese man is a subsistence farmer. the leaders of the communist party believe and oppression. communism has been that way since its inception and it will continue to be that way. it has to be to survive because if everyone has a voice he don't have communism. the caller said we have to dialogue and have cooperation. this is like pushing a rock up the hill. once you get to the top you have to worry about coming back on top of you and crashing you. you cannot continue to be weak with these people because it comes to a point you cannot resist.

china is financing, actually we are financing the war in ukraine because we continue to buy cheap, chinese goods and they take every dollar that we sent to them and they built weapons to destroy us with. or they buy russian oil and stuff like that. all of these agreements that they have made, carbon and all of that. somebody is lying somewhere because they report that china is opening up one new coal power plant every month. if they are not doing that then c-span needs to get out there and find that out. somebody has to stand for the truth in this country.

when you stand back and go i am an impartial observer. pretty soon all you can observe is destruction. host: from bowie, maryland, a democrat. caller: i wanted to say that i do believe that biden is operating from a weak position but from a different reason. you can't negotiate with china when the united states does not have the finest education system in the world. our population is not educated. we don't read, don't engage in critical thinking. we can operate from a position of strength when one political party does not function in this obvious that the republicans won't do anything conducive to

our country being competitive on a global stage. i don't think we can operate from a position of weakness. if we don't secure our borders. there is so much contention on this issue but we need to protect our borders, no other country in the world has open borders. they protect their sovereignty and china knows this and they take advantage of the weaknesses in this country. the united states does the same thing to do with other countries but now we are in a week position. we need to get our own house in order before shipping billions of dollars with other countries. host: another headline to share with you this morning. police and pro-palestinian

protesters were illegally protesting outside the democratic national committee's headquarters in washington yesterday. mike, and florida. caller: good morning, happy thanksgiving. i just wanted to say, i'm 67 years old. this is the worst despair of ever seen. president biden is the weakest president in my lifetime. and mr. trump was the best president of my lifetime since jfk. the pro-palestinian or the pro-israel rally in washington

was really a sight to see. the american flags and the crowd was beautiful. what i would wish would be a crowd like that to go to washington and stand up to close the border. if that were to happen perhaps it would get done. host: yaya, in chicago. caller: all of these maga callers disparaging joe biden did they forget that donald trump started the trade war with china and the american farmers that went bankrupt and on welfare because donald trump lost to china. what joe biden is doing is

bringing china to the table and forcing them to make concessions on fentanyl. why didn't donald trump do that if he so strong? he was only interested in protecting his chinese trademarks. the constant disparaging and projection against biden is absurd. if we want to be china we need to be learning the chinese language. who were the first person to complain about speak english to all foreigners. we should be ramping up foreign language countries in this country if we want to be number one in the world. if we can be china and manufacturing, economics, war. we should be encouraging chinese

language studies in this country. caller: i am so disgusted when i have to see a president of the united states to call on reporters, they have the questions that he gets to answer and he has the answers on a card and has to read it. then he goes to answer the questions and he keeps looking at antony blinken. all of you democrats i think he is so great, our country is going down and it's a disgrace. host: tom is a democratic caller from kentucky, it's your turn. caller: they keep calling about biden looking like a doddering old man.

i've never seen a doddering man with a good brain. our last president draft dodge six times and hugs the american flag. i am 75 and i never saw a president like trump and i hope i never do again. i promise you, i didn't get any money from china and i worked in the coal mine. host: maryland, from tampa, a republican. caller:i would just like to sayl the people that called the president old and doddering, to grow old is a blessing. what do they want to do, just drop dead where they stand? i feel like we also need to address all the drug dealers and addicts that are buying and selling the fentanyl in the united states.

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washington journal continues. host: at air table this morning, producer of police state. why did you decide to make this film? >> i'm an immigrant to the united states. i came to the country as a teenager in the late 1970's. i was exhilarated by the freedom of america, the opportunity, but also the kind of basic rights enshrined in the bill of rights. free speech, freedom of conscience, right to assemble, to partition the government, equal rights under the law. and then we fast-forward and i realized that all those rights today are to one degree or another in jeopardy. and i looked at police state around the world, places like north korea, china, the old soviet union. and when i look at the defining features of these police states like mass surveillance or censorship, ideological indoctrination with schools, the attempt to create kind of a one-party state, lock up the

leader of the opposition party, political prisoners. and i go down the checklist and i go wait a minute, a number of those things are now visible to one degree or another in this country. so that's what the film asks. is america ceasing to be the free society we have been championing for and is it becoming a police state? host: you are asking the question. you answer it? guest: yes, i think there is an alarming movement in that direction. obviously we are not a full-fledged police state. in a full-fledged police state you can't make a movie called police state so we are not north korea, we are not china. but the rapidity of the erosion of our liberties is what has really troubled me. and the pretext has varied. some of it started with 9/11. some of it was covid, some of it january 6. whatever the rationale, the movement has been toward we are

going to be curbing your liberties over here and over here and then you add it up and you say wait a minute, we are not quite the free country that we've always imagined ourselves to be. >> do you feature people who perceive that they've been targeted, or do you present evidence of targeting by the federal government? guest: i present evidence. by evidence what i mean is case after case after case after case. and i want to answer the guy who is going to say to me something like i'm not donald trump, i didn't go inside the capitol and january 6 and i pay my taxes. the fbi will never come visiting me. and they want to argued ob so sure. i profile a lot of ordinary people in the fillmore going about their ordinary business. they may be involved in civic activity, moms concerned about what the kids are learning and then they come face-to-face with the police state. we have a lot of surveillance footage, in some cases

re-creations, even hiring some fbi consultants to make these accurate. host: what is the evidence? guest: the evidence is an accumulation of cases. there's no other type of evidence you can have except this happened to me, this happened to me, this happened to me. we just lay out the statue cases k-fed -- case after case. there's an elderly guy who lives in new york named joke alano's. he's an apartment manager at new york. he came down to washington, d.c. on january 6. he actually just more wanted to be part of the excitement of the day. he takes office video. ecf always going to the capital. he doesn't go in. he sees people climbing the rafters, is like, i'm not doing that. he goes to new york, rounds of his own bodies. he showing them the footage of the event, and a neighbor of has kind of eavesdropped on this and goes, this guy was obviously a i

january 6. he wasn't, but the neighbor called the fbi. this is very police state stuff. someone rats on you, they call the feds, and the feds do a massive raid on his apartment, trashing it. the interesting thing is because he is a high-tech guy, he has hidden cameras in his apartment. so you see the fbi come up, they take the tape and they tried to cover the door camera because they don't want people to see what they are doing. right away, why not? if what they are doing is legal, but they obviously want to block anybody from recording what is happening. you see this. you can see the battering ram, you can see them coming crashing through the door, armored vests, and then they take this guy into a van, they interrogate him for four hours, they tip off nbc, so the media is there. he's humiliated that day on tv, he has a stroke. and for what? the guy did nothing.

just case upon case upon case. again, unrefuted. no one is even challenging that this happened, it is just that this is what they are doing these days. host: you are found guilty in 2014 of voter fraud. remind people about that. did you include your own story, that part of your motivation? guest: not really. it wasn't really voter fraud. i exceeded the campaign-finance limit. the campaign-finance limit is 10,000 dollars, i.e. 20,000 over the limit. the issue with my case is simply this. no american who a first-time offender, no corrupt motivation has ever been prosecuted, let alone locked up for doing what i did. the issue with selective prosecution is not that i didn't do something wrong, i admit that i did, but what happened in my case was it was a little bit of a vendetta because i've made a movie about obama that was 2000 theaters. five weeks later the fbi was at

my apartment door. even then, it was 20. i probably upset obama, he lashed out at me. i didn't see it as a prelude to what would happen to carter page, papadopoulos, michael flynn, now of course, trump. the rapid expansion of the police state has occurred under biden. host: they saw the film, they wrote none of the alleged victim are innocent people like geor floyd or breonna taylor, who literally died at the hands of overzealous cops. activists who are arrested for harassing patients at abortion clinics or people who were busted as part of the investigation into the january 6 insurrection. then there's fairfax virginia schools activists who spent t better part of last year trying to get banne public school libraries. buing is often a hallmark

uthoritarian police states, but she uses her story to claim that the fbi was tracking bombs, like her, who have been speaking out at school board meetings about rumors. guest: let's look at that for just a minute. if a parent is calling for these books are inappropriate, they are pornographic, they should be in the library, that is not a police state tactic. why? the definition of a police state is something that is done by the government. if you or i are calling for this are calling for that, we are not part of a police state, we are citizen speaking out. when they talk about these pro-life guys, we profiled one of them who lives in pennsylvania he takes a 12-year-old kid and they go to an abortion clinic and there are activists who want to talk to women, don't go in there, come talk to us. but on this particular occasion, there is no one there. the planned parenthood counselor comes out of the building, comes up and starts screaming at the kid. your dad's people, your dad is

against women. so he kind of gets agitated and he pushes the guy. the guy falls back and then he runs in the building, he files an assault claim, it goes to court and is thrown out, no merit to it. two months later, a massive raid by the fbi and they accuse him of " violating the face act" which says you cannot interfere with reproductive facilities. but within the deposing himself, blocking women, no. this is an argument between two guys outside the clinic, no women involved. he wasn't violating the face act. how do we know that? he goes before a jury in blue philadelphia. he's facing 11 years in prison. the u.s. government wants to lock this guy up for 11 years for pushing a guy. he goes before the jury, they take one hour, acquitted on all charges. so this is what i mean by case upon case upon case. it is happening far too often. this is not just about -- i'm

not talking about people who got into fights with the cops on january 6. host: what do you say about those people who got in fights with cops and who went inside the capital? guilty? guest: anyone who got into a violent clash with the cops should be prosecuted that. the issue for me is also proportionality. there's violent clashes occurring right now, that occurred last night. i think what really worries me is that when i look at jamaal bowman pulling the fire extinguisher, when i look at others palestine protesters, i don't see any fear in their eyes. it never crosses their mind i'm going to be arrested, i'm going to be locked up, i will be in solitary confinement, it's going to be 46 month before my trial, i could get three years in prison. it doesn't across their mind because they know -- host: are you equating those protesters inside the capital with those that went inside the n january 6? guest: yes, to this degree that

when you look at the specifics -- i'm saying they are different circumstances but when you look at the charges, what are they? parading in a public building, they were doing that. obstructing or interfering with an official proceeding, they were doing that. in some cases clashing with the cops. they were doing that. even the protest outside the dnc, you can see pepper spraying the cops, blows to the police. in the police state, you have two systems of justice. the people who are helping the police state, and the people who are ruthlessly targeted. host: raymond in florida, democratic caller. caller: hey, how are you doing? i'm right with you on the police state, and here is a little

analogy that i have. not really an analogy, the last election was trump and biden, and that right -- right at the end, coney barrett it's in. i said to my brother, you know what, even more so than having trump be reelected, to me more important is getting the extra supreme court justice. because what you're saying is at least i have a good confidence that those things go all the way up to the supreme court. most of them they have laughed at them and sent them down. so i appreciate what you're doing. what has happened to donald trump, i look at every single case. it is so weak. what is that? anyways, just respond to that. i look at this stuff as we've come a long way since you come to the united states and since i've been born because it is kind of embarrassing that we are

basically just allowing the police states to do whatever they want. i they were mike flynn, you're treated one way, or you are the guy out of new york that walked in and got acquitted. host: got it. guest: on trump, i've been following politics since the late 70's, and we have to see that what is happening is unprecedented. unprecedented in the sense that you have the leader -- not only the former president, but the leader of the opposition party facing a kind of shock on indictment. if we can get him in d.c. we are going to get him in florida. if not there, georgia. if not there, new york. one indictment against trump, you're such an obstinate guy, you won't give them back, so this is the only way we can extract them back out of you. but when you see federal and state charges and if we can't

get him on the criminal we will get him on the civil, we will accuse him of overvaluing his properties even though no banks are claiming he never pay back the loans, there is a real element to this. people are like, something is wrong here. if you take the exact same circumstances and put them into another country, the other party which is in power has put 91 charges against him. human rights agencies around the world, the u.s. state department would be screaming authoritarianism, police state. but it is happening here and we are a little blinded to it. host: if he is found guilty in any of these cases, will you accept the outcome? guest: of course, i will accept the outcome as a legal outcome, yes. does that mean it is fair, not necessarily. the problem with our divided country is the jury pools are

litigate it in d.c. vs. texas you are going to get totally different outcomes. that is not what we are led to believe because we have this rhetoric, jury of your peers. but increasingly it is not a jury of our peers. increasingly we are dealing with people who use the legal system as a form of vendetta. i saw this even in my own case with the plea-bargain system when i was dealing with lawyers. they were like, did you exceed the campaign-finance? i said yeah, and i should get the same penalty as everyone else. and they said you know what, we can get you one bank fraud. because you took your money out of your bank account. and i'm like, what? and they are like, we will get you on mail fraud because you put your check in the mail. you are taking the same thing i did and re-describing it for different ways and now trying to put me in prison for years and years because of the same thing? and then they go, all you have to do is agree to this & here.

and of course if i do that, the left will jump up and go see, he admitted it. but i didn't accept the guilt, i'm getting illegal bludgeoning that would force an innocent or guilty person to say it makes sense for me to sign. host: maryann, ohio, republican. caller: hello, good morning. host: yes, hello. caller: i'm like, really amazed and kind of stunned that you even have him on. i'm a woman living in the suburbs. i may never trumper. he's is a convicted felon. i'm not going to call him a complete liar, but he's definitely a conspiracy theorist. also he lies by omission. his movies are just a joke. and he's part of the problem. and i'm just really upset that you even have him on. he's not good for the country,

he's not good for the viewers. he is a liar, and this thing about the fbi and his conviction, the whole thing about the trump convictions, he's not telling the whole truth. there's a whole lot more to it. we haven't heard everything from jack smith yet. host: ok, let's let him respond. guest: look at the mentality of this. what i'm saying is all right, let's say that i am presenting one side, right? host: are you admitting that this is one side? guest: i'm telling you my point of view. obviously i'm making a film, i'm getting my point of view. when you present a film in an intelligent way you always take into account the other point of view. breaded the beginning of this film i say the question is not so much our week -- are we becoming a police state, but who is running the police state? when i talk to people on the left they are like yeah, we are

becoming a police state, a police state run by trump. in other words, the republicans are trying to take away our rights. you've got the mutual sense on both sides of the aisle that there is authoritarianism and tyranny coming from the other side. in the film i go alright, well who is right? how do we adjudicate this? we adjudicate it by looking at what is a police state, one of the definition of it, how did he get started, how is organized, how is it that together, and who is running it? you will know exactly isn't coming from the left are from the right? what i say in the film is all right, the origins of the police state are in the aftermath of 9/11. i will freely admit that the police state was a bipartisan creature at its creation. why? after 9/11, many people, me included said we have to give the government enhanced valence towers, we have to get rid of these distinctions between intelligence and criminal

prosecution because there are foreign terrorist to kill us. in fairness, none of us thought that these exact powers once given to the government could then be redeployed against conservatives, republicans, patriots, christians. that hadn't happened. so the escalation of the police state is not something we are responsible for, but i would take blame for a certain naivete as an immigrant in believing that the institutions of our government could be trusted with enormous powers of surveillance and fracking in the belief, naive as it turns out, that they would not be abused, but they have been. host: all of your examples are of conservatives. guest: yes, they are, for the reason that the police state is today going after conservatives. however, we have profiles in the movie of muslims who targeted after 9/11 and entrapped by the fbi because the entrapment that

we saw, for example, in the witmer kidnapping case and to some degree in january 6 was invented after 9/11. the fbi -- not just the fbi, all of the government getting huge shovels of money from the government. but 9/11 didn't continue occurring. so the fbi figured out how do we manufacture terrorism? that means finding muslims were angry at america and then luring them into a terrorist trap and then busting them and having a press conference, we are amazing, this guy is a danger to america. no, he's just an angry kid at nyu has been talking about jihad but you are the one who put in his mind why don't you join isis, why don't you go to a training camp? we will eat with passport, we will buy you a ticket. then he shows that jfk, arrested those evil schemes, which again started out with the muslims is now targeting many other americans. host: los angeles, independent.

caller: yeah, hi. i'd like to make just a comment and have him respond. i'm going to agree 100% with your previous caller. dinesh desousa's last movie was completely filled with falsehoods, and just to give you one example, he claimed that people were stuffing ballots into ballot boxes in the republican georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger, a republican, examined one of the instances and found no wrongdoing. they investigated i think five ballots that were turned in and they were all for a guy and his family. dinesh desousa is currently being sued for defamation right now from one of the gentlemen, i don't recall his name. secondly, your house of cards is falling. three lawyers just admitted to lying about fraud, three trump

lawyers. ruby freeman won a defamation lawsuit. your whole lie about this election fraud, the house of cards is falling. host: let's get a response. guest: ok, yeah. the one case he mentions i unfortunately can't talk about because it is a litigation. but in the movie we have surveillance video from battleground states, and what you see is this is a typical scene and we show lots of this in the movie, a couple at 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning, a guy jumps up, looks around suspiciously to make sure no one is following him as a backpack chock-full of ballots. he then goes to a dropbox, rips open the backpack, starts dropping ballots in and then having finished that, steps back, pulls out a cell phone and takes photos of the balance going in the box. think about this.

try to put a significant or meaning as to what is going on. we say these are mules, the trafficker of ballots dropping illegal ballots in the box and then taking photos so that they can get paid. no one to this day has given an alternative explanation to what is going on. when you make a movie and you put out a theory like any scientific area, it's open to reputation. go talk to that guy. he's on camera. if you talk to that guy and asking what he's doing, maybe he'll give you an innocent explanation. but no law enforcement authority has interviewed these mules. isn't that suspicious on its face? host: reuters today fact-check on 2000 mules, providing evidence of voter fraud in the 2020 u.s. presidential election. they take issue with your geo tracking that you said in the movie shows evidence of ballot boxes being used in the way that you just described. what they say is that technology

is not as accurate as you claim it is, and they say that drop boxes can be high traffic areas such as public libraries, schools. for example, a map of drop boxes and five metro atlanta counties shows that all are clustered in locations. you can't tell that they are dropping down. plus some people may be dropping multiple ballots because they have collected ballots for family members. guest: right. because if you collected from family members would obviously drop in in one box. the other thing is look. in january 6, d.c. is a very busy area. uber drivers, pedestrians. how was it that the u.s. government can easily track the cell phones of people to went inside the capital with pinpoint accuracy -- in fact, if you look at the charging documents, 20 feet in 5 -- inside the front door, then he moved over here. i mean, think about it.

we live in a time where every burglary, every murder case involves cell phones geo tracking. the case in idaho right now, they are using cell geo tracking to show that they circle around the targets, the people that he's accused of attacking. cell phone geo tracking is considered extremely reliable by judges, by juries, by prosecutors, by defense attorneys, but somehow in the one case, suddenly reuters, we can't tell, this technology is very primitive. it's absurd to get this technology has come a long way. no one is claiming that putting you within five feet of the box that if you go from one box to another to another you have to have same explanation for why the same cell phone is following this male man's route. remember, these drop boxes are not all in one place. some of them are off the road, you got the turnoff to get there. we track more than 2000 mules going to these drop boxes.

something is going on. host: rockville, maryland, democratic caller. caller: i just want to say you are an utter disgrace. you are a magnet like that rapist from mar-a-lago. rot down there with michael -- host: new york, republican. caller: hello, first i want to say how much i appreciate your work and dedication. the second thing is i don't know too much about the cell phone thing, but it is alleged that the fbi strong-armed charge card companies like bank of america to give them the names of anybody who came there on january 6 and shops or collect food or went to a hotel, and that they strong-armed the charge card companies like bank of america to give them the

thousands of people to investigate and put in jail. the standard joke is if you need to buy a gun to protect yourself, don't use a charge card. anchor. -- thank you. guest: it is very troubling that the fbi can go to the banks, bank of america being one of them, and say not just this is a list of people who we found were inside the capital, we want to about them, because it is normal for an authority to look at a crime and then track the activities of the suspect. it is a whole different thing to go to a bank and say listen, give us the entire list of everybody who came to d.c. on that day, or to go to airlines and say give us a manifest of everybody who flew into the country. all the people i then going to go onto a watchlist. to this day right now, we have a whistleblower from the air marshals, and she says that anyone who came to d.c. between

january 3 and january 7, not for the rally, not to go into the capital, but flew to d.c. for any reason, could be a kid coming to see his dad in a divorce or whatever, those guys are now on a list. an air marshals are flying with them to this day because they are of course the nested terrorism suspects. last the whistleblower, was in the air marshal following some kid or some guy came to d.c. for a business meeting? don't they know this has nothing to do with anything? and they go yeah, but what police state bureaucracies do is they create lists because that is how they get funding. host: did she show you list? guest: she didn't show me the list but she is saying and as a public matter, unrefuted that everything a person visiting d.c. in that bracket is followed by air marshals right now. host: we have to leave it there. thanks for coming on. we are going to take a break. when we come back, coming up later on in the program, we are going to talk with bob dean of

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>> i think it is enormously helpful and important. there are a lot of conflicts. the world is a better, more peaceful place at the u.s. and china can figure out some way to get along. that's not going to be easy. we have clear differences like i and many others have big problems with a lot of what china is doing in the world but these are the two largest economies in the world. we need to find some way to work together. also two of the three largest nuclear powers in the world. to have the not speaking to each other on a military to military bases is frankly dangerous. we want to make sure we don't stumble into a conflict so i hope this dialogue can continue and we can find a way to peacefully coexist. i know we've got problems with china and challenge with china. i don't think anybody wants to go to war with china. it's important that we have a china dialogue. president biden showed incredible leadership by having that conversation and a. host: they know the outcome is

likely to face pressure in coming months with disagreements over an election in taiwan and the chinese navy harassing kids from the philippines, u.s. ally. >> those chinese ships harassing not just u.s. plans, but australian planes and other countries as well, i think that is a real problem. but having military to military dialogue is the first step in trying to make that stop. we will see. no guarantees here but at least we now have a process to have this conversation and hopefully de-escalate conflict. host: has president biden asked for enough aid from congress for taiwan to look tough against china's aggression? guest: probably asked for enough. taiwan needs to develop its defense so that they can have an adequate deterrent. it's not a matter of looking

tough, it's a matter of having that capability. and the one thing that taiwan has going for it, we know from our history, doing invasions on islands is an extraordinarily difficult task. and if taiwan has antiship capabilities, antimissile ships, that makes it that much more difficult. the ultimate goal here is to deter china from thinking that this is a violent takeover of taiwan. at the president by taking the right steps in terms of helping taiwan develop that capability while also opening up dialogue with china as another way to try to convince them that a violent takeover of taiwan is not in their best interest. host: what role is china playing in the ukraine russia war as well as the war between israel and hamas? guest: it's extraordinarily problematic.

i have less specifics on what china may be doing with israel and hamas including providing to this continue to provide significant you -- economic support to russia. we don't yet have any evidence that they are sending specific weapons systems to russia that are helping them on the legal side, but a lot of the technology they are sending to russia is certainly using military equipment and that is a big problem. the degree to which china, russia, iran, north korea and transnational terrorist groups or terrorist groups in general i working together is a real challenge. we've seen iran working with russia and vice versa. we see russia cozying up to hamas. at the dialogue continues with china, we need to talk to them about it. they claim to respect sovereignty. if they respect sovereignty they should be helping russia destroyed ukraine. host: what are the prospects of congress passing additional 80 ukraine? guest: 5050 it is a tough call. we have strong support, strong

bipartisan support in congress for ukraine. if you were to put ukraine a bill on the floor bounce tomorrow it would lead get 300 votes and it would pass the senate no problem. the problem is there is a small wing of the republican party that owes their allegiance to donald trump more than they do to the country, so they have -- therefore they are opposing that aid to ukraine and thus far the leadership in the house has been unwilling to pass it. even though we have the votes. it is actually a relatively small minority of the house and a small group of house republicans who oppose it, so they refused to put a vehicle on the floor. i will say speaker mike johnson has said we are not going to abandon rain. i know that mike turner, chair of the intelligence committee, mike roger and mike -- chairman of the foreign affairs committee -- and yes, it is a requirement

in the house republicans caucus to have been a mike in order to be in the leadership position, all of them are strong supporters of ukraine aid, and they are working to find a way through this impasse. there are bipartisan conversations going on in the house and decided to get that done. that is why i say 50-50. the support is there. will the leadership in the house allow us to have that vote? i don't know for sure. host: adam smith, we appreciate your time. thank you, sir. let's get your calls. you can respond to what you just heard there from the congressman or any of the public policy political issues. joseph, independent. good morning. caller: good morning. thanks to everybody for their work and dedication. it's tough out here, i'm telling you. that last gentlemen, i appreciate his work. i do want to say something beyond this, please. he said bipartisan.

we've got to get to something, the two sides are killing us. and with that all said, one lady called in really upset. we've got to just be patient with each other. if we keep wanting to be mad at george bush or bill clinton, no one chooses their starting point. no one chooses their starting point. we have to get together. we are all upset, but i promise you we can make things better by being nice to each other. that is the biggest thing. you hate trump, you hate biden. that is pain. host: understood your point. let me hear from stephen in washington state, democratic caller. caller: i just wanted to say,

trump is the one who is trying to be keen, not biden. thank you. host: independent. guest: good morning. i just want you to understand when we are listening to you guys -- hello? when we are listening to you guys and you guys have these people come on and they keep denying january 6 and all this, man. i can hear you. host: that's because we are listening to you. caller: ok. what i'm saying is all these people that's testifying are republicans. every last one of them are republicans. and so i'm asking you guys, it's

not about the democrats. all these witnesses from this cabinet all the way down, and the media has been sort of sick right now because they allow these people to come on and they never say anything about them. and one more thing. over there in israel, netanyahu was going through a conspiracy trial and in november -- host: let me move on to donald who is in washington, republican. go ahead. caller: good morning, how are you today? thank you. i was trying to get on with dinesh desousa.

anyway, me and many callers for at least three or better years now have been calling for some type of interview with him concerning 2000 mules. i'm glad you finally got him on there. the people that call that scream at him, that lady, i'm sure she didn't watch the documentary. one of them being what he is trying to explain with the geo tracking. many different things have been caught with the geo tracking. just watch the movie, you will see all the dumps. they just released recently a new judge from a different election, balance being dropped and that election being just redone because of that.

so there's just too much. i wish she wouldn't have been so snide, it came right through the tv. other than that, god bless you guys, god bless him and trump 2024. host: reuters looked into 2000 mules as we mentioned in case you're interested. you can find it if you go to reuters.com. eric and buffalo, new york, democratic caller. caller: good morning, thank you for having my call. i just wanted to say i can't believe you had dinesh desousa on. he's a total conspiracy theorist. he's an educated man and he knows what he is doing. he's a grifter. the american people have been taken advantage of by these people. it's just a shame.

you just see how many people have called in, just like the guy said, we've got to come to an agreement in this country about doing things civil. that's all i wanted to say, thank you. host: part of civility is having a conversation and hearing some people that you disagree with and on this program, at least you get a call in and talk to them and have them respond to the questions and your comments. ronald in new hampshire, independent. caller:caller: yes, thank you for taking my call. i have a comment about c-span's coverage, actually. the coverage of the pandemic. i've called many times to c-span about the pandemic and the coverage, all the way back in january 22. i asked c-span to have someone on who is an expert on

respirators, n95 respirators. respirators in general are the most effective way to prevent the infection and spread of the virus. over 200 people a day are dying right now, today. that's as if we had a mass shooting in a dozen cities across the country all in one day. and c-span has never, ever had an expert on the show to talk about respirators. why people should wear them, how to wear them. the last guy you had on the show with the guy from the public health association on september 14. he did not mention masks, he did not mention respirators until a caller called in, and then the answer he gave was incomplete and i think it was you who was the host, didn't follow-up, just diverted and started talking about vaccines. and i think you own the audience an explanation. why is c-span deliberately

filtering out guests who can talk and inform people about how to prevent getting it covid? host: ronald, it's not deliberate. you've been able to call in, it sounds like, several times and engine this topic and talk about it, so if anyone is interested in what you are saying, they can going to look into the information themselves. that's why we have an open forum, we do a lot on this program. on a weekly, daily basis very ally you to talk about public policy and political issues. speaking of which, yesterday in the senate they passed the two-step continuing resolution on a bipartisan vote following the house doing the same earlier in the week. before the vote happened, here's chuck schumer talking about the way forward. >> i have good news for the american people. this friday night there will be no government shutdown.

thank you. because of bipartisan cooperation, we are keeping the government open without any harmful cuts to vital programs. a great outcome for the american people. i am pleased that speaker johnson realize he needed democratic votes to avoid a shutdown. if the speaker is willing to work with democrats and resist the siren song of the hard right in the house, then we can avoid shutdowns in the future and finish the work of funding the government. today's cr is a good first step and a very good omen for the future. i hope we see more bipartisanship down the line. every time i've gotten on the phone with this eager i've stressed we need bipartisanship if we want to finish the appropriations process. i hope the new speaker continues

to choose the bipartisan approach as he commendably has in his first foray. keeping the government open is a good outcome, but we have a lot more's emergency supplemental with aid to israel, ukraine, humanitarian assistance for innocent civilians in gaza, and funds for the indo pacific. we will keep working with leader mcconnell on a way forward. i know that they genuinely care about providing aid to israel and ukraine help innocent civilians in gaza, so i hope we can come to an agreement even if neither side gets everything they insist on. we will also complete our work on the national defense authorization act for the end of the year. for now, i thank my colleagues for voting to keep the government open. i thank leader mcconnell, chair

murray, vice chair collins and all of the appropriators. again, no government shutdown. no cuts to vital programs. no poison pills. this is a great outcome for the american people. host: the majority leader on the floor yesterday after -- before the senate voted to approve that two-step continuing resolution. 10 republicans and one democrat voted against it. overall the house side yesterday, the hill newspaper with a headline aut conservativesevolting after the cr passed over there. they taint a procedural vote on an appropriations bill. a note, congress had been in session for 10 weeks and tensions had been starting to show just a day earlier. a congressman accused kevin mccarthy of elbowing him in the back, a charge mccarthy denied.

hard-line conservatives joined the democrats in a 225-198 bill posing the rule for legislation funding commerce, justice, science and related these in a separate iraq-voted bill, locking the chamber from considering the measure. after those votes failed, the house then went home for recess. before they did that, though, the congressman came to the floor during special orders and criticized his party over what he says is there decision to pass this two-tiered cr, and he argued that they have gotten nothing accomplished. this is what he had to say. >> the people i represent are sick and tired of it. why do you get a animate on the floor? because somebody has to stand up for the people whose voices want to be heard in this town. if i see another bill, another

measure, another amendment, another office focused on diversity, equity, inclusion, focused on all of these nonsensical programs that we can't even afford, much less if they are good for the united states of america, rather than figuring out how to have all is in planes and votes to stand up and defend this country, defend freedom, rather than giving the border patrol what they need, rather than making them show up to the border every day outmanned, outgunned, and with a mission to usher people into the united states falsely under the name of compassion, using false interpretations of the law, expanses uses of asylum and parole to allow tariffs -- terrorists and criminals to come into the united states and endanger the american people. the police officer in austin, texas that i went to the vigil for on sunday night, he was killed by somebody on the terrorist watch list. what in the hell is wrong with

this country? do we not believe that we should secure this country for the people of the united states? if this body were serious, we wouldn't leave town without ensuring that we are secure. we would not leave town without forcing chuck schumer and joe biden to the table because republicans control this chamber , or at least they say they are republicans. for the life of me i do not understand how you can go to the trouble of campaigning, raising money, going to events, talking to people, coming to this town as a member of a party who allegedly stands for something, allegedly stands for reducing spending, allegedly stands for eliminating debt, securing the border, strong military, ending the wokeness that is killing and corrupting our schools and our kids, and then do nothing about it.

i want my republican colleagues to give me one thing, one that i can go campaign on and say we did. one. anybody sitting in a complex if you want to come down to the or and comics into me -- and come explained to me one meaningful thing the republican majority has done except well, i guess it's not as bad as the democrats. host: chip roy yesterday on the floor. we are an open forum. you can respond to what you heard from the congressman or the passage of that continuing resolution. both chambers yesterday. new hampshire, independent. host: we already spoke about this -- caller: yes, sorry, i'm going to move on. host: douglas georgia, democratic caller.

caller: i can remember in jr. high school listening to president john f. kennedy, ask not what you can do for your country, what your country can do for you. i can remember watching the news in the evening at 6:00 when there was civility from my politicians. i can remember hearing when -- successfully completed the first artificial heart transplant. and when i turned on the television now and i hear congressman talking about other congressman hitting them in the side and presidential candidates saying that they would elect a person even if they were convicted of crimes, it's almost surreal. we need to get back to what the republicans said they used to believe in, which was character counts and the moral majority. i have a 15-year-old 10th grader who watches the news and has

said well, what is going on? it is sad to watch. host: south carolina, republican. caller: i love chip roy, that was pretty cool. anyway, i'm 71 years old, i have been watching politics since the seventh grade. i had some good teachers they got me involved. i think what we are dealing with today is people whose political interests started with donald trump, and they know two things. republicans are bad, democrats are good, because that is what cnn, msnbc tell them every day. and you can't talk to them. i don't know how you can talk to a guy when he knows what your political outlook is and he hates you. and you end up with what ought to be kind of intellectual discussion becoming emotional

abuse just screaming at you. i mean, how do you deal with that? everybody in the united states ought to have to read three things. the georgia -- the farewell address, rules for radicals and the communist manifesto. and then they should have to get a copy of the constitution of the united states. it takes about 10, 20 minutes to read the thing and it is easy to understand. in just know what is going on. what is the rules behind all of this. host: reno in phoenix, arizona, independent. caller: i appreciate c-span giving me a chance. enjoying the show, i actually agree with most of the callers. this is the first i've seen c-span have anything on the austin terrorist attack. i don't know if you guys have covered that it all. it doesn't fit your narrative.

the left narrative, doesn't really fit the narrative, but it is something that is a big story. the austin terrorist attack, and lots of things. the population is finally waking up and they don't want the sanctuary cities anymore. it is sad, cleaning up san francisco before the leader of china comes over. this is where covid came from, it is really strange that they take an interest in cleaning up san francisco to if he is the leader of a foreign country. the administration value these foreign politicians more than our citizens. what is it going to take before biden is out of it. he's a joke. i started the deal with c-span if you could show the video of biden where he's totally lost. biden and company also

responsible for leaving all the weapons in afghanistanment we are starting to see the blowback. those weapons have been used by hamas in israel. ukraine and israel, both those wars is money laundering. our politicians are making money on all of t these democratic callers calling in are clueless. i used to be -- i was a democrat. totally ignorant. host: i'll just mention a couple of things. yesterday on capitol hill as we told you there was a hearing about threats to the homeland. the homeland security secretary testified along with the f.b.i. director, christopher wra*eu -- wray, here he is talking about the potential of overseas groups like hamas planning attacks in the united states. >> on top of the show called lone actor threat, we cannot and do not discount the possibility that hamas or another foreign terrorist organization may

exploit the current conflict to conduct attacks here on our own soil. we have kept our sites on hamas and have multiple investigations into individuals affiliated with that foreign terrorist organization. while historically our hamas cases have identified individuals here who are facilitating and financing terrorism overseas, we continue to kraout nies our intelligence to assess how that threat may be evolving. but it's not hamas. as i highlighted for this committee in my testimony last year, iran, the world's largest state-sponsor of terrorism has directly or by hiring criminals, mounted assassination attempts against dissidents and high range ranking u.s. official including right here on american soil. or hezbollah, which has a history of raising money and seeking to obtain weapons here

in the united states. f.b.i. arrests in recent years also indicate that hezbollah has tried to cede operatives, establish infrastructure, and engage in spying here domestically. raising our concern they may be contingency planning for future operations in the united states. host: if you missed yesterday's hearing, go to our website, c-span.org. watch more of it there. "washington times" reporting on that hearing. the front page of their newspaper. terrorist groups don't use the border. that came from the counterterrorism director before the committee. up next, i want to show you what another leader had to say about the continuing resolution that was passed in the house earlier this week. this is the minority leader in the house, hakeem jeffries of --

hakim jeffries of new york. >> house democrats came into this week with three principle objectives with respect to the continuing resolution. first, no spending cuts. mission accomplished. second, no extreme right-wing policy changes. mission accomplished. third, no government shutdown. mission accomplished. at this point it's important for the congress to come together, democrats and republicans, on a bipartisan path forward to fully funding the government. it should be obvious to anyone who is watching that house republicans are unable to govern on their own. period. full stop. no further observation

necessary. events of today should make that clear. as has been the case from the events of this congress beginning with january 3 all the way through to this moment. from the very beginning of this congress, house democrats have said that we will work to find bipartisan common ground with our republican colleagues on any issue, whenever and wherever possible for the good of the american people. the job of the congress is to solve problems for hardworking american taxpayers. and that's what house democrats are prepared to continue to do. as long as we have reasonable partners on the other side of the aisle who are willing to join us in fighting to make life better for everyday americans as opposed to literally fighting

each other. host: the house democratic leader there talking about that two-step continuing resolution. congress avoid add government shutdown yesterday when the -- avoided a government shutdown yesterday when the senate followed suit when they passed the continuing resolution on a bipartisan basis as well. we are in open forum. talk about that debate over the funding. government funding. as well as the president's announcement from san francisco yesterday that he has an agreement with the chinese leader to reopen military communications while trying to combat fentanyl coming into the country. stephanie in ellicott city, maryland. democratic caller. what's on your mind? caller: hi. i wanted to say -- i wanted to respond to the chip roy clip you played. i feel that what he said that all the people coming across the border is a very racist

sentiment and very sad to hear these types of things come interesting people -- that are supposed to represent us. i was thinking it's unfortunate -- host: steupl in michigan -- tim in michigan, a republican. tim. good morning to you. caller. i was just calling to give my opinion on certain things. everything, actually. since the democrats are doing really good, i think we should have the republicans just kind of bow out of everything in the government. we'll let them run the whole show and just keep running it. they are doing such a great job that if we just back out and do

our own thing and not even worry about what government's doing, that would be awesome. then we could basically just do our own thing and we would be happy in this country. host: bob in georgia. independent, hi, bob. caller: you have been pulled too far to the extremes. a couple subject i would like to talk on is first the support of ukraine and israel. i spent way, way, way too much time in the vietnam war. i'm one of the 1% that's been in the military. we are a lot better off to send money than to send our children, grandchildren to the war. that's all i have to say for now. thank you for taking the call. host: olney, maryland, democratic caller. caller: good morning.

host: good morning. caller: a couple of things. first i have been listening this morning about president biden and president xi. and china is strong and we are ak. these people should read the news. the for the first time in the last god knows how many years, years, they have negative investments. meang companies are pulling out that investing. that's a rult of them applying pressure. at the same time the united states has -- we have the lowest inflatioof developed countries. we are still managing to higher

record number of people eve month. last month it was lower this is a positionf strength. this is not by accident. [indcernible] it comes to the point where president xi is coming to the states to show the respect to president biden and to work out the issue that we have. your previous guest. the expert on the subject. a convicted criminal talking about our legal system would be -- [indiscernible] to talk about bigotry. thank you.

and have a nice day. host: veronica, pennsylvania, republican. caller: yes. i'm calling about i watched the house yesterday. the democrats and republicans. i was quite taken aback by how the man from massachusetts kept calling the republicans maga. when the democrats talk about themselves they call them house democrats. why can't they say house republicans? i think it's disgusting they say that. host: assam in florida, independent caller. hear from you. we are in open forum. what's on your mind? caller: thank you for taking my call. i lived in this country for 50 years. i moved from another country. i always believed in the freedom of speech. i believed in all the basic

principles and ethics of this country. and i started with one party and i went to another party. then i realized that we have a problem in this country. i do believe in the pendulum theory where things swing one side and goes on the other side and it should come to a happy medium. but recently every time it swing on one side, people kick it higher that it will never come back down again. 30-some years ago i believe in independence. we have ralph nader, ross perot, and all these things fizzled out. the problem is it's entrenched in us. and we have to change the thinking about either one party or the other. there should be a third party. we should go back and visit the basic principles of our

constitution. and even if it takes a minimum wage change in the constitution. constitutions are not bibles or koran. no. they are written at a certain time for a certain reason. we have to do that. we have to start thinking about that. otherwise we are going to have civil wars again. thank you for taking my call. host: owings mills, maryland, democratic caller. caller: good morning. and the democrats ought to be proud of joe biden. look, he landed this plane. it was a soft landing. we have a c.r., inflation is down, the g.d.p. is up. he's creating jobs. another thing, here's netanyahu who joe biden went over to sthraorl hug netanyahu to bail him out.

xi is here hugging joe biden, for joe biden to bail him out. you got the president of ukraine who joe biden has been supporting from day one. democrats, we are hot. and we are not going to stop. host: front page of the "wall street journal." economy closes in on a soft landing. inflation eases with no sign of recession. though consumers are pulling back. front page of the "wall street journal." that headline this morning. tom, los angeles, republican. hi, tom. caller: good morning. i would like to comment on mr. desousa. there is an agency that is -- called the environmental -- a person who is unelected, unqualified declare emission is

environmentally sensitive, rare, or endangered. i'm a legislative person, i read legislation. this has been going on for many years. it's been abused. abuse -- they use any issue, actually correct or not, you had to go to court. i had nine people suing the state of california because of constitutional abuses. no one seems -- environmental, oh, dear god, don't say anything. people abuse that. unfortunately desousa didn't pick it up. i think he's a very bright guy. i want to thank you for having him on. i really appreciate that. and if you would in the future, when you have a speaker on, please designate conservative,

liberal. it gives you a better view of what they are saying. some of the people actually i was listening to the previous speak pwer how wonderful president biden was and i'm paying almost $6 a gallon for gas. he forgot that one. discriminate against the american people. because foreigners are protected from our laws and they are treated differently. host: ok. carol in illinois, independent. caller: hi. i'm grateful for being on. i love your show. i would just like to say that this -- the legislators stayed in their offices and did more work instead of taking all of these vacations, maybe some of these problems would be solved. american people do not get that kind of privilege to take off a

week before thanksgiving or other holidays. host: all right. bill, southwestern -- southwest, massachusetts, democratic caller. good morning to you. caller: good morning. can you hear me? host: yes, we can. caller: all right. i want to thank you very much for giving me the opportunity. i'm a democrat. i'm not happy with the republican party. host: is that it? continue with your thoughts. caller: we definitely have to have another party. host: ok. angela in brooksville, florida. republican. caller: hi, my name is angela.

thanks for having me on. i want to make a comment about the chip roy speech on the house floor. i understand what he's asking for. i want to let the american people know. he's half right. ok. i watched all of the amendments in the appropriations committee be passed and approved in the appropriations committee. they come out to the floor and every single one that was brought to the floor the ranking member of the democratic party shot it down. refused it. and those bills by the republicans, all of them, were shot down by her. host: jason in honolulu, independent. jason. caller: hello, greta. how you doing. i just wanted to say -- remind my fellow "washington journal"

jurors that don't blame c-span or you, greta. you guys are doing a great job. there is no more middle down the road than c-span. you folks show footage without comment. you show as much footage of legislation and other activities with us. commentary. you do a great job. some of these callers calling are being unfair to you guys. that's all i wanted to say to you. people, please be fair to c-span. they are fair to us. god bless. aloha. host: tony, california, democratic caller. caller: good morning, greta. i wanted to say, first of all, the last caller, i'm with him all the way. we need to be appreciative of "washington journal" because you are definitely fair.

you can say pretty much whatever you want to say. i wanted to say something real quick to republican listeners out there who call up and are angry and are frustrated and call democrats names. say things like -- act like democrats are crazy people and stuff. your leader, your leader called out people in the united states, his fellow citizens, vermin. vermin. he's denying he lost an election he clearly lost. the big lie is still out there. people believe that he -- people in his party believe he won the election. and we know that he did not win the election. there is no way we can move forward without some unity in believing things. and what the facts are. so we need to drop what everybody is believing in, this big lie, we need to stop believing that our fellow

citizens are vermin. that is absolutely going to destroy any possibility we have of moving forward. thank you very much. host: james in phoenix, arizona, republican. james, your turn. caller: greta, good morning. thanks for taking my call. i you showed the schumer clip. any time i see schumer i just laughed. this is the same senator who sat on the stkort justices staff, verbally threatened two justices, that's irrelevant responsible as a senator. i wish you would show the humor. my comments are going to be on the 2000 -- i did see the documentary, but people are naive. i wish you could have -- when the ballot boxes came up, wish you could have went into your tablet like you to do to fact check things and you could

easily said yeah, there was a case in connecticut. the mayoral primary race was overturned by the judge because of ballot box stuffing. and the lady who was doing t. name was wanda, she worked for the mayor. we should get rid of ballot boxes. and i just am curious was that a one off? or is this the system? it does happen. integrity of our elections is probably our most precious thing. the last caller talked about making derogatory comments about people. we have a sitting president who called half of america nazis. that's irresponsible. host: all right, james. we are going to leave it at that. we'll take a break. when we come back joining us will be bob deans from the natural resources defense counsel. we'll talk about the biden administration's national climate assessment that just came out. we'll be right back.

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atmospheric administration. it's the national science foundation created by congress 70 years ago. the bedrock truth about what's happening in our world. the national aeronautics and space administration, folks who put the man on the paopb. the pentagon, security issue. health and human services because it is a health issue. it's a state department because it's a global issue. 14 federal agencies, greta, about 750 experts around the country within and without the government. a lot of scholars, independent researchers, scientists contribute as well. this consolidates the best science we have about the state -- state of the union of the state of our climate, if you will. host: where does the data come from? guest: the data comes from -- they look at journal articles. pier reviewed science -- peer reviewed identify science. they look at the temperature that we monitor around the world and this country.

satellite imagery. just the full range of geophysics, of spheric chemistry, all the data that go into figuring out what's happening with our climate. host: the white house released this latest assessment. what are the take aways? guest: big take aways here. number one, the climate crisis is inflicting rising costs and mounting dangers on every aspect of american life and every community and every corner of this country. it is threatening our jobs, our homes, our health. it's damaging our oceans, our wildlife, forests, farms. it's widening inequity and injustice because it's pry hairly low-income people and people of color who are on the frontlines of climate hazard and harm. it's not just happening someplace. it's happening everywhere. a couple examples. in the midwest we are seeing more of the droughts that have dropped the mississippi river to its lowest level ever this fall. in the pacific northwest, more

of the kind of heat and drought that created the conditions for wildfires two years ago did $40 billion in damage. in the southeast, intensifying storms like hurricane ian that did $113 billion of damage in florida alone. in the northeast, torrential rains like those that caused the record flooding in vermont this year. and across the country heat waves that exposed 2/3 of americans to the dangerous extreme heat of last summer. we are seeing it everywhere. host: how does this report compare to the last one that was issued? guest: it takes us one step further toward a situation where we are beginning to be overwhelmed. our capacity to cope with this is beginning to be overwhelmed. one important sign, insurance companies, raising rates, pulling out of coverage in states like california, florida, and louisiana. making it harder for folks to

insure their homes or get a mortgage on a home. a few new things. a new chapter this time on economics because it's such an important economic situation. there is a new chapter on equity and justice. and there is a new atlas that's interactive so people around the country can go county by county to see the impacts climate change is having on their county. host: what is the united states doing versus countries like china and india who viewers on this program and others point to and say, we can't -- we can do everything that we want to do to try to address this problem, but if china and india don't do their part, it's useless. guest: a couple points. great question. number one, the united states, while we are not the largest climate polluter right now, historically we are. the united states has historically put more carbon pollution in the air that's driving climate change than any other country. we have a leadership role.

we are also about 25% of global g.d.p. we have a leadership role to play. we are playing it. what president biden has done is what we call a climate triple play. first thing, he helped pass legislation, best climate law in the history of the country last year. that's already driving investment, innovation and jobs nationwide. number two, he is cleaning up our -- the tailpipe emissions from our cars and trucks. number three, he's cleaning up our dirty power plants. together, cars, trucks, dirty power plants, that's about half the problem. host: i want you to listen to the senate leader, mitch mcconnell of kentucky, accusing the biden administration of being naive when it comes to economic competition with china and addressing climate change. here's what he had to say. >> strategic competition with china is going to determine the course of the next century of american history. and yet the biden administration has too often got this historic moment with weakness and naivete

time and time again and sacrifice competition on the altar of green climate policy. in the administration's quest to turn the american automobile industry electric, he's apparently made piece with sending american tax dollars to the chinese industries that dominate battery making input. in pursuit of grand climate diplomacy, the administration's envoys have been literally left out of beijing by state that keeps on increasing its carbon emissions and has no plan to start cutting them literally for years. guest: here's what's actually happened. joe biden met yesterday with the president of china. the first meeting in four years.

and very close to the top of the agenda was what both countries are going to do to combat and confront the climate crisis. that's important. between the two of us, china and the united states are 43% of global g.d.p. 36% of greenhouse gases. these two countries are a third of the problem. we have to be leaders in terms of the solution. what do they do? they put out a kaoupb kay saying we are going to -- communique saying we are going to cut carbon emissions. triple this decade renewable power so we are relacing the dirty fuels driving the climate crisis. three, we are going to cut down on methane, a very powerful greenhouse gas. this is important. so china is the world's leading investor in clean energy. it is also the largest coal user. china burns as much coal as the rest of the world combined. this is the kind of thing we are working with china on. what's very important is that the united states and china are cooperating on climate.

and we can't solve the global problem without that. host: want our viewers to join us this in conversation. bob deans is our guess this morning. talking about this climate assessment. national one done every four years. it also includes solutions. guest: absolutely. it talks about what we are doing. the purpose of the assessment is not to make policy recommendations. but it does talk about what we are doing. we have cut our carbon footprint in this country, 17% since 2005. while our economy has grown 40% in real terms. adjusted for inflation. we are making real progress. here's how we are doing it. we are getting 15% of our electricity nationally from the wind and sun. that's important. we are increasing efficiency in our homes, workplaces. we are moving toward electric cars. that's important. we are going to sell more than a million of them this year alone. that's important as well. and finally, we are investing in a modern, reliable power and

storage grid system nationally so that we can meet the moment. host: this is the business section of the "new york times." heat pump adoption slows and climate goals suffer. and they say biden's plans counted on highly efficient devices. but steep interest rates and confusion over government incentives have curtailed sales. guest: sure. no question that parts of the economy are being impacted by interest rates and other factors. heat pumps are important. people are making the transition. and the climate bill we talked about earlier that the president passed provides people with up to $2,000 of rebates to help pay for those heat pumps. that's important. i think as word gets out more people will be investing in that. that's not the only part of the picture. what we have seen in just the year since that bill was signed are $108 billion in private investment to build factories

all over this country to make solar panels, wind turbines, electric vehicles, advanced batteries. what the president has done is strengthened the domestic sly chain so no longer is the united states going to be dependent on overseas countries for the building blocks of a modern economy. host: get to calls. bill in milwaukee, independent. caller: hi. host: go ahead. caller: hi, greta. you guys have a great show. i'm a veteran from vietnam. i'm getting sort of -- when i hear these people talking i am ashameddy that the way they are talking. both of them. the republicans and the democrats. biden talked about making chips and batteries in the u.s.a. it was trump that sent that stuff over to china with a deal he made with them. i think the climate like mr. deans said is very important. it's what our children and

grandchildren are going to be going up to. if we don't want to bite the bullet on taking some of the bite out of gasoline cars and making -- where we can put up our wind generators. our other form of electric generating equipment it's going to cost us more, but somebody's going to have to pay a little bit more for that. host: i want to go back to the announcement made yesterday by the climate envoy. john kerry, in his talks with his counterpart in china. that they are talking about reducing methane. talk about that and why it's important. guest: methane is very important. it is about 16% of the problem with global greenhouse gases globally. methane is much more potent as an agent of climate warming than even carbon dioxide. it's about 830 times for power -- 80 times more powerful.

the big ones are leaps from oil and gas operations. the biden administration will release any day now final rules to cut those -- that methane pollution from oil and gas operations. greta, the leading companies in the industry are already doing what this safeguard would require. this safeguard will make sure everybody else catches up. host: jim in missouri, democratic caller. jim, are you with us? caller: hi. hello? host: yes. we are listening. caller: you are -- your guest mentioned drought in the midwest. here in northern missouri we are separate interested that drought. our crops have been very poor

this year. i am watching a mature oak tree die this year. it turned brown a month earlier than it should have. mostly because of lack of rain. at one time the sahara desert was green and lush. a drought continues in the midwest, can we turn into a desert? how long before we have wildfires? back in the 1960's air quality in l.a. was so bad they rated it on the news. warned you the air was bad. that led to california emissions which led to nationwide california emissions. there are things we can do. host: pick up on what jim was

saying. guest: the current drought situation, remember it's november. a third of the country is in drought right now. 935 million americans are exhe -- 95 million americans are experiencing drought. 246 million acres of croplands are suffering from drought. this is a real problem. one thing we know from the climate assessment is that parplers -- farmers, ranchers, are on the frontlines of this crisis. that's what the secretary of agriculture said in a statement because the agriculture department was a prime player in this assessment, something like 58 agriculture department scientists participated in this. host: maurice in california, independent. caller: yes, thank you. when i was in college i had to do a speech class. i had to pick a topic. and i found out when i went into the library they had a shelf there with thousands of books, thousands of devices to go check

out every single company that was causing smog. they had a device for them. they did not want to purchase these things because they were too expensive. even the large stacks that pour out junk all day seven days a week had a device called a smoke house. i don't understand this smog thing and the climate change that is so deadly bad while we have the devices. please speak about that. guest: sure. smog, soot, these things cause real heart problems. respiratory ailments. they aggravate asthma, particularly in children. what we know is that by putting in place commonsense standards we can cut the pollution that causes soot, smog, even acid rain. we have cut the pollution from power plants that causes that pollution 90% since we

strengthened the clean air act some three decades ago. what we need to do now is implement strong rules that the biden administration has proposed to clean the carbon pollution out of these power plants so we cut that source of 25% of the carbon pollution in the country right now. host: another headline in the "new york times" this morning. health risks linked to climate change are getting worse. this from researchers. tell us about this. guest: there is no question about that. we saw this summer. people dying. people dying from heat waves. heat stroke. and this affects people who are outside working, construction workers, highway workers, and others who jobs require them to be outdoors in this heat. and so the health risks are rising. they are also rising because disease is carried by mosquitoes, for example. increasing because the range of mosquitoes and the season for mosquitoes is lengthening around the country. so the health risks are very

serious. the university of california berkeley has calculated that if we hugh to the -- hew to the climate goals biden set, we can save $3 trillion in health care costs between now and 2050. that translates into real quality of life improvement and end of premature deaths for a lot of americans. 250,000 premature deaths would be avoided. host: more numbers from "the new york times" reporting. they say this report, different from the national assessment, published in the medical journal the lancet, also tracks estimated lost income and food insecurity globally exposure to extreme heat and resulting losses in productivity or inability to work may have led to income losses as high as $863 billion in 2022. in 2021 an estimated 127 million more people experienced moderate or severe food insecurity linked to heat wave and droughts compared with 1981 to 2010.

carlos in missouri, a republican. carlos, good morning. we are listening to you. go ahead. caller: yes. how do you propose to offset the massive amount of carbon produced by all the materials that has to be processed to manufacture our green agenda? on top of the fact, how are you so pompous to think you can control the weather? guest: sure, thanks so much. i don't think i can control the weather. what i think we can do is take action against an existential crisis here in this country and around the world. in two weeks global leaders are going to meet in due by -- due by for -- dubai for u.n. security talks. we need to increase ambition. we all need to move faster to shift away from the fossil fuels

driving this crisis and toward cleaner, smarter ways to power our future. number two, we need to improve accountability. we make sure countries keep their promises turn pledges into actual progress on the ground. number three, we need to address equity. this report you just mentioned from the lancet points to the problem we are having around the world where the most vulnerable people are paying a price they can't afford for a crisis they did not cause. what we know is that the united states, russia, china, and the member states of the european union are responsible for 63% of the global carbon pollution that's driving the climate crisis. whereas the top 10 most vulnerable countries, countries like pack stein, haiti, mozambique, and seven others are combined responsible for less than 1%. that's global injustice. we need to address it in dubai. host: laverne, california. democratic caller there. welcome to the conversation. caller: yes.

i would like to make two points. for bob, he missed one big thing. that is the weapons that are being used in ukraine and in israel and other places. and their mono phosphorous and all the pollution creating more than probably 100 countries in the world producing. host: take second point is biden made huge mistakes. none of the journalists mentioned that. the first one, decapitating kids. host: we are talking -- climate. guest: loss of life and crisis you mentioned, gaza, ukraine, aou zahn. we could go down a long list we are praying for peace. we are staying with those --

praying for those people looking for peace and looking for the day when everybody can live in dignity, security, and promise. host: pompano beach, florida. sergio, a republican. sergio, good morning to you. caller: yes. i'm fine. mr. deans, how are you? guest: doing well, sir. thank you for your call. caller: thank you, sir. my question is this, particularly climate change, especially in florida. there are a lot of hurricanes. and because of the warm of the waters brings up pressure of having hurricanes. how can we stable that as well? that's something that bothers me. also a couple of other things. the methane. how can president biden lower the methane and keep it at the

level so it won't hurt anybody, especially upon the caribbean like jamaica. they get inject with extreme on climate or weather, how can you solve all these problems, bob? guest: sure. i'll just go back where you started. talking about rising seas. florida will be hit by this. we are going to see sea level rise of at least a foot in less time than it takes people to pay off a 30-year mortgage right now along the eastern seaboard. that's serious. last summer we saw temperatures, ocean temperatures off key largo approaching 100 degrees, in some cases exceeding that. that's like a hot tub. what that water does is that heat amps up the force and devastating power of a hurricane. because it puts more energy in the hurricane and puts more moisture in the hurricane. that's what you have been seeing

in florida. in addition to that, it puts coral at risk. the kind of water temperatures we saw last summer are killing coral. we saw marine heat waves across nearly half the waters of the world last summer. these are happening faster and faster. we have to do something about it. host: vince, idaho fall, independent. caller: how you doing, greta. having another fantastic show. i put on my coffee when i put it on when mr. desousa was on. bob, great to have you on. i am sound really informed. my biggest experience with climate change over the last 40 years since i heard about t i'm retired now. i was an engineer. one of the things i see with people, these are smart people, not getting their heads on

straight about this. they just don't understand the science. it these little things like when you tell them there's so much little co-2 in the atmosphere to begin with on a concentration basis, but how small increases can have a huge effect and how that works. how come it traps some heat and not other heat. the temperature rise the same thing. what's a few degrees? to them that's nothing. i see this somewhat with some of your callers, too, talking about soot and phosphorous. really don't do what we are talking about. they are pollutants. the first point i have is, can we get some sort of better national education going on here on just the basics and why it's real? host: take that point. guest: i appreciate t one of the great strengths of our democracy

is our ability to discern as a society between what is true and what is false. what is meaningful and what is meaningless. what matters and what doesn't. this really matters. the truth is to be found in this national climate assessment. i'm grateful to greta for highlighting it today. i'm grateful to you for the call. anybody who wants to know more about the facts about what's happening, what climate change impact is having in this country i refer you to this assessment. it's sound science in plain english. it's the truth. the bedrock ground truth about what we know about what's happening to our world. host: richard next in srerona, missouri. democratic caller. caller: yeah. i'm an older person. i remember world war ii. gasoline, we couldn't get all we

wanted. out here on i-44 traffic is real bad. there is only so much oil. but diesel trucks. we have to have them. the airplanes. they use a great deal of fuel. and like the cars, don't know if they'll make it or not. i hope they do. how much can we get out of this sponge? something will have to change because you look at the traffic. how much fuel they are using. it's ridiculous the way we waste it. another thing, i'm a carpenter. i built my own house back in the 1970's. we had fuel shortages. we drove 55 mile an hour. republicans really liked that, i guess. i built my house, my ceiling

height is 7'6". that seufrbs about six inches of fuel at the top. my house i can heat it with a little bit of electricity and my one window air conditioner seems to be fine. host: we have have bob deans respond. guest: fantastic. you mentioned how much gas and oil can we get out? it's important to remember that the united states, saudi arabia, russia, and the other 17 of the world's largest energy producing countries responsible for about 82% of the world's oil and gas are on track to produce twice as much oil and gas and coal as the climate can tolerate over the next decade. if these -- if this industry goes forward with these plans, we will blow past any kind of safe level. and we will invite the worst

consequences of climate chaos. these are -- this is an industry that seems just hellbent to squeeze the last penny of profit. it's in a race against a safe future. we have to turn that around. dubai needs to be about doing that. host: will those countries being in dubai? will their leaders be in dubai? guest: somebody will be from those countries. if it's not a leader, it will be a climate envoy. in our case i don't believe president biden is going. he's sending john kerry, our climate en-- envoy. host: jenny in north carolina, republican. question or comment? caller: i have a comment. before i get into climate change, because i was going to say i'm 76 years old. i always remember droughts and storms. i don't feel this is something new. but before i get into the climate change, i tried to call

earlier and i know this isn't on climate change, i was hoping maybe you would be able to put the clips on that people asked for. i would like to see a clip on congressman higgins questioning about ghost -- the ex-f.b.i. agents to january 6. and also somebody asked for the video for biden when they had to pull him and hold him. host: jenny g. to our website c spafplt.org of the moment you are talking about from congressman higgins is from yesterday's hearing with the homeland security secretary and f.b.i. director, christopher wray. an exchange between the director anti-congressman. find it if you go to the link for that hearing on our website. gold or yellow stars will show up. that is one of those key moments from yesterday's hearing.

do you have a question or comment on climate change? caller: yes. i wanted to also say you play a lot of videos. i would like those videos played as well. yes, the climate change we are talking about fires and stuff like that. but yet it's known that with california with the fires they are not cleaning the brush. they are not taking care of anything. i'm thinking how many democrats have -- do they have electric cars? they are hypocrites. they want you to do it. how many are flying wasting fuel. these are holidays coming up. people are just flying like crazy. nobody's concerned. host: ok, jenny. guest: one thing people can do when they are traveling on the holidays if they want is airlines now give you the option of kicking in a couple dollars to offset your carbon pollution from your flight. that money goes to help with strengthening the help of forests or wetlands that can take carbon out of the

atmosphere and lock it away in healthy soils. that's one thing you can do. host: wisconsin, independent. good morning. caller: good morning. i have a comment and a question. the comment is i think this is slush fund, the new green deal. i would like to get $1 million back for each of the buss in wyoming that are electric that aren't working. and my question is, how is biden and this man going to stop the volcanoes. host: bob deans. guest: thanks, donna. i think the big picture here is that we are investing as a country in clean energy because it's going to benefit all of us. this is a national priority. it's exactly the kind of thing we should be devoting national resources toward. it's already having a huge impact in wisconsin. it's having an impact creating jobs there. the climate investments we

talked about earlier that are direct consequence from the climate bill that biden passed last year, these climate investments have created some 90,000 new jobs across the country. right now everyday, 3.3 million americans get up, suit up, roll up their sleeves, and go to work helping us to become more efficient. helping us get more clean power from the wind and sun. we are moving forward. it's strengthening the supply chain here in this country for the clean energy economy of the future. and making the country more energy secure. because every bit of energy that we create here from the wind and the sun on our own soil reduces our reliance on fossil fuels from abroad and the price shocks we can't control or even predict. host: learn more from bob deans go to nrdc.org. he's the strategic director from the natural resources defense council. thanks for your time. thanks to all of you for watching and participating in

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