guide and i think it is, we will do the right thing and come together and figure this out. host: mark zandi, chief economist at moody's analytics. you can find him on x. we always appreciate your conversation and thanks for chatting with the callers. guest: take care now. host: coming up in about 30 minutes, we will talk about rising crime in the u.s. and having that conversation with the president and ceo of the council on criminal justice. until then, it's our open forum. any public policy issues, any political issue, if you want to return to the question we started with about cameras in the courtroom, we can do that. the phone lines are on your screen and you can start calling it now will get to your calls right after the break. >> live, sunday, december 3 on in-depth, author and uc berkeley

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delaware, democrat, good morning. caller: i found it interesting as i listened to mr. zandi that when he named the drivers of the deficit, he said 9/11, the financial crisis, the pandemic and draconian tax cuts. it's interesting that all of those happened under republican administrations and all of them were bailed out by democratic administrations. i don't know if that's coincidence. it seems hard to believe it would be coincidence but it was interesting to note that. host: thanks for the call. this is vincent in tulsa, oklahoma, republican. caller: uh - i'm going to say something about the television in the courtroom real fast.

i am for it. it doesn't matter to me if it's in the courtroom or not. thank you. host: why are you for it? will you watch if the proceedings and federal courts and criminal cases are televised? caller: i would be more interested in watching it if he was going to jail. host: this is barbara out of california, good morning. caller: good morning. first time caller. i've two suggestions to get revenue for this country. the first suggestion is to tax the huge churches in this country that are nonprofit and don't pay any taxes. also, we have a lot of money that was taken from social security by congress. i would suggest that we garner their taxes until they pay them back. that's all i have, thank you.

host: garner the wages? guest: caller: yes, garner their wages. host: thanks for the call. you can call in once every 30 days we hope you call in again. new jersey, democrat, you are next. caller: thanks for taking my call. i feel like there are tails wagging dogs all over this issue. i'm very much in favor of cameras in the courtroom. i watch all of it and i like to see it all and come to understand everything that's going on. i feel as though the department of justice is doing too many workarounds. i think trump should probably be incarcerated. i think there ending over backwards to not apply the same law they would apply to anyone else who is doing what he is doing. if they were to take that step and i understand logistic problems that might ensue but if they were to take that stance,

they would possibly end the rhetoric and violent threats and that would probably be the correct order for things to happen. it's not happening because the department of justice, for its own reasons is not applying the same law to trump they would apply to any other individual. that's my belief. host: when it comes to putting cameras in the federal criminal court rooms for federal trials, this network is in favor of doing so which is part of the effort to get the judiciary to do that. the special prosecutor's office is arguing they are concerned that the trump legal team or president trump would turn this into some sort of spectacle, playing more for the cameras than the case itself and they make the argument that this case will be highly covered regardless of whether cameras are in the courtroom or not and people will know what happens in this case. it's not like this case will

play out in secrecy when it does. what are your thoughts on their arguments? caller: i think the jack smith initial argument was that he wanted the law applied simply as it's been written in following president. host: that's true as well. caller: however, first thing first, i think right now what the justice department and american american journalist and everyone else are responding to is the fear because of the threats. in the event that donald trump were silenced or at least placed in some kind of incarceration, i think the threats with deescalate and i think the opportunity to have a normal trial would probably grow and i think that's with the american people deserve. first things first. host: thanks for the call. the president you referred to is rule 53 of the criminal rules and procedure.

that's the long-standing rule that cameras are not in federal criminal cases in the courtroom. it dates back to the 1940's. this is john in west or, ohio, independent, good morning. caller: before anybody can speak on these issues, they've got to get independent and truthful information. we will not get that from the fake so-called free press in the united states. i would ask people to check out some truly alternative sources like global research.ca and the great zone.com. test the gray zone.com. the people within the establishment who got disgusted with the lies and furthermore, the fact that their views are totally banned from any of the radio and television and

newspapers in the united states. i have seen people like the second in command israeli military g, generalolan a few years ago, even before the escalation of the israeli killing and persecution of palestinians. he compared with israel was doing in 2016 with nazi germany's treatment of the jews now being practiced by israel against the palestinians. i would ask people to look up cia operation mockingbird controls the media to demonize countries for u.s. attacks against them and look up cia operation northwoods which

exposes -- an insider from the cia released documents which had not been told by the mass media, operation northwoods by the pentagon to mass murder americans host: host:. we got your point. this is robert in tampa, florida, republican, good morning. caller: good morning. i'm a disabled vietnam vet. i live in my apartment complex for 22 years, never missed a rent payment. they are giving me an eviction out of my apartment. i have no place to go. the v.a. told me i have to wait until i am evicted and then they will take action. i don't know what to do.

that's about it. host: why did they say they are evicting you? caller: they gave a multitude -- some tenants said i was being verbal, i was saying things to them, made noise in my apartment. i live by myself. i have a two bedroom, two bath, big living room, dining room, kitchen and the maintenance man told me it's not that they don't like you, it's that you only pay $861 rent. she wants you out. if you are evicted, then she can up the rent well over $1000. host: you have gone to the v.a.? caller: i called the v.a. and they test i spoke with lawyers from the v.a. and they said they can only do something when i am totally evicted from the

apartment which will be november 30. in the interim, i have the flu and i have to go in to get a defibrillator replaced. i have a defibrillator in my chest for nine years. it's time for a new one. i can't find an apartment. i can't get anyone bedrooms. host: members of congress talk about this, your member of congress in tampa might be good to reach out to to let them know you're a veteran let them know you've tried to go through the v.a.. off the top of my head, that something that comes up often. they try to do these constituent casework pieces of the job. caller: i will try again today. that's all i can do, i don't go out.

my legs went out on me and i have neuropathy in my leg from diabetes which i gotten vietnam with agent orange. i've had too many diseases. i got out of vietnam in 1968. i've been sick ever since. it's one thing after another. the v.a. has been pretty good to me. they've taken care of me but when it got to this, they don't know what to do. host: thanks for sharing your story. call back down the road to update us. caller: most definitely. host: this is brenda in indiana, pennsylvania. go ahead. caller: good morning, it's been a while since we talked. on the subject of donald trump's trial, i am opposed to live coverage. if they want to film it and show it on c-span later, i think

that's great but i'm not sure what the goal is here. donald trump said he could shoot someone on fifth avenue and not lose a single supporter. donald trump t,he maga crowd will not be swayed by anything. they will not change their mind about him by live-streaming the trial. i'm a democrat and i'm pretty convinced he's guilty of what he is charged of after listening to him speak for 15 years and knowing some of his past business history, what is being charged with, the indictments, i'm not surprised so i will not be changed. maybe the swing voters might have a chance to change their mind. as far as i'm concerned, live-streaming the trial, he will just turn into a circus. he will be playing to his crowd. it will make a mockery of the

court. the second part -- host: upon the first part, do you think he has done that in the georgia case or the new york civil case? those have been covered with television cameras. we are showing you the b-roll from the new york civil case. do you think he has been doing that in those cases? caller: absolutely. the judge admonished him about saying things outside the court and he stepped outside and gets up to the camera and talks about the judge being bias and the clerk being this and that. he is pushing the judge as far as the judge can possibly be pushed. there is a fine line. the judge does not want to be overturned on appeals so the judge has to suck up donald trump's circus act. like i said, i think donald

trump would turn this into a circus. that would undermine all the more the judge's authority and everything else. host: thank you for your thoughts. just after 9:00 a.m. on these coast. you can continue to call in. free democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. s, (202) 748-8002 -- independents, (202) 748-8002. a couple of headlines from today's paper. several headlines on the late first of the united states rosalynn carter. how a love story lasted a lifetime for 77 years. rosalynn and jimmy carter built a marriage, a presidency and the legacy together. that is a feature story in today's usa today. this from the new york times. jonathan alter's column saying

the formidable rosalynn carter, the headline for it. the washington post. the radical modesty of rosalynn carter, the headline of her column. usa today. this is paul costello, the assistant press secretary for first lady rosalynn carter from 1977 to 1981. rosalynn carter left her mark on america. rosalynn carter remembrances continuing today at emory university in georgia where she was a fellow in the women's studies department between 1990 and 2018. the motorcade bearing the remains of the first lady, according to axios's wrap up, will travel back to plains, georgia, the carters' home

for a private service where the former president taught sunday school for decades. rosalynn carter will be interned on the grounds of the couple's private residence they have owned since 1961. axios notes they donated it to the national park service to become a historic site after the deaths. back to your phone calls and our open forum. sid in grand junction, colorado, independent. good morning. caller: yeah. i kind of agree with the other people that said the trial should not be televised. i think people get in front of cameras, be at the judge, trump, the attorneys, everybody thinks they will be pre-madonna's. i hate to say it but when ic the c-span hearings on tv they are not trying to learn anything anymore. you have the witnesses bouncing

around their personal political opinions like a ping-pong ball. they are not trying to get to the bottom of any issue or anything. that is my take. host: would you prefer the cameras not be at the hearings? do you think it would get done? caller: i hate to really say this. sometimes i think more got done in smoke-filled back rooms than sitting in front of the c-span cameras and bouncing around political theories rather than trying to find facts. host: do you think there should even be cameras on the floor the house and the floor the united states senate? caller: i had not really thought that through. i think the same principle kind of applies. host: there are some members only first brought cameras that were concerned about that very issue. they said it would change the institution. certainly throughout the years we have had that commitment to

air everything that happens gavel-to-gavel on the floor the house and senate. do you think it has been a good thing? caller: i'm not entirely sure it has. you probably get some instant gratification saying -- seeing something happening on tv. i wonder how much the political players are actually trying to solve an issue rather than play to their constituencies and throw red meat to whatever party they think should support them. host: thank you for your thoughts. to florida, naples, florida. this is henry. good morning. caller: good morning. being republicans, he should be in jail. he is a cocky guy. he is a corrupt, cocky guy.

host: anything else you want to add, henry? caller: that is the l.a. thing i can say -- that is the only thing i can say. for the things that trump is doing, they should be in jail. this guy is so cocky and arrogant. he did so many bad things to the country. my comment is he should be in jail and desantis should be the guy. host: that is henry, a republican out of photo. shirly, a republican in pennsylvania. caller: good morning. i would like to talk about the economist you had on. in pennsylvania, our minimum wage is seven dollars between five cents. -- $7.25. every employer is willing to do that. we have people that are working

40 hour a week plus jobs. they cannot afford the health care that is offered. nor can the employer before the health care. the man made the comment. the biggest thing is medicare and medicaid. those working people that qualify for medicaid, this is the problem. people are working and they cannot afford housing, health care which is needed. this -- when is the answer going to come? he says we are not in a recession and things are better but the town i'm living in, i'm not seeing it. i know for me i have three health cares and i can't afford to use it. out of pocket expenses are too high.

the deductible is a little out of hand now. if people qualify for medicare and they are working people, what are they to do? thank you. host: do you think the government should be spending more on medicare and medicaid and more on social security? caller: i think there should be a more affordable health care offered to businesses, the people that employ people. some employers don't offer it is all. some cut the hours so they don't have to offer it. if a person is working 40 hours, they should be able to afford, the employer and employee. there has to be some money on both sides coming in. i do want to offend anybody but they want to use the term skin in the game.

if you don't pay for it, you don't appreciate it. it doesn't come from free -- for free from the employer. maybe a percent of what you earn. -- 8% of what you earn. a quarter of your earnings should not be for your health care. those who can even get it. if they qualify for it, medicaid is public health care. government-funded health care. this tillman said that is a large portion -- this gentleman said this is a large portion of the problem. host: he was talking about the largest budget items for your for the united states. we spend 1.4 $7 trillion a year on medicare and medicaid. -- $1.47 trillion. just paying interest on the debt

is approaching $34 trillion. we pay $685 billion a year. u.s. debt clock for those numbers. this is dave out of tennessee, independent. good morning. caller: good morning. i appreciate your guest mark. he was pointing to a lot of issues we have. i don't think the $10 million -- 10 million people we have encountered at the border in the last 36 months is going to improve the economic situation. we have fuel that's an average of $3.29 a gallon versus the one dollar $87 -- $1.87 prior to biden. you have to figure out who the hero is. the thanksgiving meal is 25% higher under bidenomics.

1.7 million -- you figure those are terror cells causing us all kinds of problems. nancy's january 6 kangaroos will be investigated, which is high time. since the new video release. and the government cpi calculations are flawed. it is really twice what they have reported. our inflation is 20 plus percent since biden took office and his policies. host: why do you think the numbers are flawed? caller: it was due to a report i saw on the national desk. a gentleman was talking about how a former government employee was talking about how the government uses factors to make the numbers look like the

government is doing more than it actually is. it is skewed the way they use the factors to come up with the inflation numbers. you have biden's overreach on gas stoves, which is like a war powers act. jack smith, he will be exposed for who he actually is and what he's trying to accomplish in his political agenda. i appreciate your time. thank you very much. host: this is collin out of baltimore, maryland. republican. caller: thank you. i came from west africa. i'm not maga and i'm not a democrat either.

i am foreign-born. the election was clearly -- in broad daylight. -- shredded my eyes on tv. the rules were changed. this should not have come up at all. i remember bill clinton and the minsky. remember that -- lewinsky? the emails. biden was probably ukraine -- they are going to put trump in jail. in america? i can't believe these democrats. democracy and freedom are -- here. we are now worse than some third world countries. that is all i got to say. host: this is willie in little rock, arkansas.

the line for democrats. go ahead. caller: when i look at what's going on in the world today, i look at the republican party. i see a bunch of people walking around -- the devil walking around with the bible in their hand. they lecture someone else. the whole world has to talk to them. we got to the point where we realized it. man cannot regulate how another man lives. people will live the way they want to live. i don't give a damn what you try to do. host: that is willie in arkansas. aaron, independent. caller: thank you for taking my question. i mean michael. i don't think it is a binary issue whether cameras should be

in the courtroom or not. i think in this particular case i oppose because to quote an anthropologist jane goodall, "that which you observe you change." donald trump is an actor. a fair compromise would be to just have microphones or radio. it would require the people -- host: we have that now. we have the same day audio recordings. if you watched yesterday, there was the appeals court, the federal appeals court discussing the gag order that the federal judge in the d.c. federal case tried to impose on the former president. you can do that now. the audio recordings. caller: like i say in this

particular case i think that would be good enough for the donald trump particular case. he is the one pushing for cameras, because he will act like a damned fool. he's an actor. i'm not saying he's a good actor. if you just have the audio you don't get distracted by the visual part of it. if you observe him. everybody knows he will start throwing his hands up, sighing, maybe cursing. it kind of distracts from the issues. as an example i thought the george floyd snuff film was important to be viewed as opposed to 9/11. i don't think there was any real good purpose of showing people jumping out of windows, landing on people's he -- landing on

people, heads popping open. in the case of, t -- emmitt till, that was kind of necessary. showing the results of these ar-15 shootings. it is dynamic. it is a -- we have never seen anything like this guy. it is important that we don't let him just -- she even said it. i'm going to run the presidency like a soap opera. we are going to win our timeslot and right now the timeslot is 24 hours. why is this guy texting at 2:00, 3:00 in the morning just to win the timeslot? theater of the mind. if you focus on the words you don't get distracted by the other stuff. it is dynamic. it is not static. i guess that is all i got.

host: thanks for the call. g\re -- greg from plymouth, michigan. caller: thanks for taking my call. my major concern right now is trust in government. i'm 77 years old. i remember elections back to eisenhower. i have never seen it so bad as it is now. one of the telling facts about how little trust there is is that some of the latest polls have donald trump ahead of joe biden in the election. that means that most voters right now -- donald trump has 90 indictments against him. does the american people wanting him over biden trust the judicial system when they have 90 indictments on the person they will vote for as president of the united states?

i don't like joe biden at all. i don't like donald trump very much even though i am a republican. i really don't like him. the trust in government is so poor right now due to i think the twitterfiles that have come out. some of the indictments on republicans as compared to democrats is -- some of the things with respect to confidential information kept in their homes and things of that nature. i have never seen such a lack of trust in our institutions. our department of justice was telling twitter to turn off certain people they didn't like. the cdc was telling twitter to turn off people they didn't want to hear from. the same thing was happening with the fbi. it is an abomination. host: you said you are 77 years old. when did you have the most trust

in government in your 77 years? caller: probably -- host: i lost you for second. caller: eisenhower, gerald ford and jimmy carter. jimmy carter they not have been a good president but he was honest. -- a little bit less because of the iran-contra affair. especially gerald ford. he was honest and so was carter. if you look back to that election between those two, it was the least contentious election i overheard. they were not calling each other names. they were not showboating like they do today. the trust in government is at a rock-bottom. i just don't seeing being worse in our history. maybe it was bad back in the civil war. host: does it take a trustworthy

person to change that? another carter or ford or eisenhower to come along? do you think that trust is broken regardless of whether a worthy person comes along? caller: it takes somebody besides donald trump or joe biden. the first thing someone has to do is admit it is bad. they have to listen to the other side. you have to listen to the democrats. if you're a democrat, you have to listen and say together we have to rebuild trust. we have got to do that. it is not going to work otherwise. who is trusting the fbi these days? who is trusting the department of justice these days? people don't even trust their votes are being counted correctly. the democrats that you should have trusted us. that doesn't work. help the republicans pass a bill. it will make it easier to vote.

we will make sure nobody is voting should not be. they can do that and set of his complaining that the other people should just listen to us. that doesn't work. half the nation doesn't believe in it. i appreciate you taking my call. you guys at c-span are terrific. host: this is riba i -- riva in maryland. caller: thank you for taking my call. on the filming of the trial, i think it is necessary and this is why. the people who were hurt by january 6 where the american people. -- were the american people regardless of whether they support trump or biden or independent. they were the ones that were hurt. their democracy was damaged. their trust was damaged.

i think the american people are -- have a stake in seeing the trial. what they don't have a stake in is a clown show that focuses the cameras on trump while he is sitting out in the basic part of the court. the cameras should be focused on the witnesses as they testify. much like c-span does when there are people talking. they don't pan all over the place. they stay focused on the subject. the thing is people can come away with different opinions but it will be based on what they hear rather than a bunch of people talking about them at a lot of repetition. regardless of what happens, mr. trump will come out saying it is unfair.

other people will come out saying this means this. if you hear it, it might mean something different. i think they should be aired but the camera should be focused on the witnesses. host: one thing the federal cases already do is release same-day audio. caller: right. host: that way you are not focused on a witness over a face. caller: no, i don't. i will tell you what. people will believe or not believe the witnesses based on expressions. i think they need to be able to assess the expressions. i did listen to the court audio yesterday. that was absolutely fascinating. thank you guys for airing it. but i really think we need to see the actual crosses of the witnesses. host: thank you for that call

from maryland. alicia as we turn towards the bottom of the hour. alicia out of columbia, maryland. independent. caller: thank you, john. i have not spoken with you in a long time. a point of interest. when tony bears about -- teddy roosevelt was in office he increased the land that was taken from the navajos. he, you know, brought that land back to the people. and also, this is a trading post in arizona. the name of the trading post. i'm sure a lot of people have been there, the tourists. it is called hubble. he used to visit mr. hubble.

they would go ride all the way to the hopi land and see the dances. that might be a point of interest. host: what can we take from that history today? caller: when jimmy carter -- i'm sorry. i mean biden. when he was born in how much gas cost then? host: i don't. caller: $.10. oh, this is for the native people. when i you going to have someone talk to us about my people? he people talk about your people all the time -- you people talk about your people and all the

problems you have. host: who are your people? caller: navajos. host: what would you like to tell the country about the navajo people today? caller: we are doing a lot better than we have been doing before. there are more jobs. it is not under this administration. we have been working on it for a long time. with the covid the people have really suffered. we lost a lot of people. i even lost my brother. i don't know what else to tell you. host: sorry about the loss of your brother. we have a few minutes left here in our open forum. we want to keep taking your phone calls. linda in west virginia, go ahead.

caller: thank you for taking my call. i would like to talk about the trump trial. i think that it should be televised, because we saw how the january 6 committee ticked and she used what we's -- choosed what we saw on tv. mike johnson released some of that video. i think it is terrible what they picked and what was actually happening then. we have got political prisoners in jail that were at that january 6. some of them on the outside that came to listen to the speech. i think it is only fair. it is only fair to put the trump trial on so it cannot be picked and choosed.

i want it all out there in the public. if you want to watch it, you watch it. if you don't, you don't. host: do you want to watch it? caller: yes, i do want to watch it. host: have you watched any of the georgia proceedings so far? caller: what was shown and what you will have put out there, i watched that. i was not impressed with the judge. i was not impressed with the judge. the skinny one in new york. i was not impressed with that judge at all. he kept putting up the pictures he did have himself naked in the bathroom. i did not like that at all. i just think it seems like they are trying to stop donald trump from running for president. i'm not saying he will win the presidency. i'm saying to stop him from

running for president. we have a country where the young people want us to give you -- fix your problems. the school. going to college. what are they doing? they are doing nothing but protesting. we have a college in west virginia, marshall university. i was told there are kids there from d.c. who are getting a full scholarship. all they do is protest. abortion, against donald trump. they are sold loud the kids in the class -- so loud the kids in the class can hear them. those are scholarships they are giving to kids in d.c. i appreciate you taking my call. i just think we should have fair

elections, honest elections, and people telling the truth. host: that is linda in west virginia. maybe about five and is left. this is cruz in porterville. caller: good morning. i am a farm worker from the central part of california. probably one of about maybe 30,000 or so from sacramento. all of us workers out here were happy to have trump as president because we could buy our gas and have money left over for coffee and donuts on our way to work every morning. that came to an end with biden. we were lucky to fill up our

tent completely. -- tank completely. i was a partisan democrat all my life, from john kennedy to barack obama. every democratic president that ran i voted for, all county, state, city. if it was a democrat, i would go for them. until barack obama. i finally paid attention ot wh -- to what -- to how things are working. having a few pennies left in my pocket every paycheck was very important to me, this specially now that i'm 81 years old -- especially now that i'm 81 years old. i'm retired now.

$800 on my social security and having a good time. host: this is nat in springfield, virginia. independent. caller: i want to comment on something one of the colors from michigan said earlier about the distrust and institutions. -- in institutions. i was born in the early 1980's. maybe there is a generational gap. maybe a gap where we are getting our news source. i don't think the institution has gotten worse in terms of being trustworthy. you can look at the fbi or any kind of agency. i think they have always been what they have always been. they have done shady stuff. back in the 1960's, the 1970's, the 1980's. the only difference is now there is social media, all these cable news.

it's easier to find out now because you have the internet. you have smartphones. the system has been what has always been. it is not that it has gotten worse in terms of being dishonest or untrustworthy. it is just you have these talking heads out there that stir things up and make it seem like -- they spin the truth of where they want to spend it. -- spin it. host: same question as we asked the 77-year-old. what was the moment in your life you have the most trust in government? caller: honestly, i would say i feel like the last time -- well, i would say with the exceptions of the trump administration, at least during most of my adult

years, i have a lot of trust in the government. whether it be during the bush years, obama, biden or clinton years. at least up until the 2000's, for the most part the government, even congress itself, they were trying to work towards something . when the 2000's come out everything becomes work intentions -- contentious. access to cable news and internet, everything just seems like it is easier to be, you know, running the government. not so much running it anymore. it is just more informative. host: 9:35 on the east coast. we will stay an open forum until the end of our program today. we were going to talk with adam gelb from the council on criminal justice about crime

trends in the u.s. we will reschedule him. we had some trouble getting him on this morning. we will have that conversation and continue to have this open forum conversation with you until 10:00 a.m. eastern, the end of our program. always enjoy talking to you. we can talk about cameras in the courtroom. young going effort by news organizations, including this network to have the federal cases against the former president donald trump opened up to cameras for live coverage. right now there is audio that can be released or is released from federal criminal trials. it is a rule of the court system, to judiciary dating back to the 1940's. rule 53 bans cameras for federal cases. this network another organizations have asked for an exception to that rule given the historic nature of this case.

that is what we talked about in the first hour. we can talk about that. we can talk about any subject. open forum until the end of our program. democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. deandre in baltimore, republican. thanks for waiting. the andre, are you with us? -- deandre, are you with this? caller: i want to lay down some facts. house resolution 5736. go look that up. it was passed in 2012. everything in the corporate mainstream. it is all propaganda to find the military-industrial complex in the state department.

in 1957, israel bombed the uss liberty and blamed it on egypt. come to find out they were actually responsible for 9/11 and got us into aware that never ended on their behalf. now the same thing is happening again. they have been bragging about how they snipe and kill american soldiers for sport in afghanistan and iraq. here we are about to send troops over there for this nation called israel. host: you think we are going to send troops over? do you think we are going to be sending troops there? caller: kuwait, iraq and syria. our troops are fighting back militias in iraq and syria. we have many people already caught up in kuwait. the media will not tell you that. since 1971, israel has been the number-one beneficiary of u.s. foreign aid.

$300 billion plus with adjustments for inflation. why? i'm not sure. the majority of the gop under the obama admin assertion was bought up by netanyahu to go fight a war with iran. that is when the jcpoa was in progress. they undermined obama and said forget the iranian nuclear deal. this is how we are going to do it. the entire gop is aligned with netanyahu and israel. they were recruited a long time ago. the defective president of our country right now. -- he is the defective president of our country now. -- de facto president of our country now. caller: i'm listening to the rhetoric coming from several sites.

i got through re-watching the entire impeachment on biden. which struck me odd. the republicans don't want to have any witnesses -- can you pronounce his name for me? host: giuliani? caller: yeah, giuliani. i think it is sad when the republicans have control, they do nothing with it but do these mock trials. they waste taxpayers money. number two, i want to bring up george w. bush took $2 trillion out of social security and never paid it back. they say it is a problem. we earned this money. you brought up social security. you brought up medicare. we earned this money. we earned this entitlement.

i don't understand why the other side is screaming and wants to get rid of the programs. it will not save them any money. we already paid for it. i hope i am making myself clear on that. host: on the hearings that have been criticized by the other side, do you think the select january 6 committee hearings were worthwhile? there was a caller earlier today who referred back to those hearings saying they were so one-sided and criticizing those hearings. do you think that was worth the time and expense by congress? caller: absolutely. if you look at the witnesses, everyone one of them was republican. none of them were democrats. there were only two republicans that sat on the actual committee. it was worth it because we saw the timeline of everything going on. i don't see waste. it was a wake-up call to

americans. sadly, a lot of people are not seeing that. no, i don't see that one is a waste at all. it was very fair and balanced. it showed the timestamp on the video. it showed what was going on. it's important to see that timestamp. if the timestamp is not there, it is a fraudulent videotape. host: this is otis in north carolina, independent. what is on your mind? caller: good morning, john. how are you? this is what i want to talk about. gas here in north carolina where i met is $2.87. i agree with the lady before me about the social security. their godfather ronald reagan said a long time ago don't be with the social security.

getting to the january 6, i'm saying this in a nice way. but if obama would have done half the stuff 45 has done, think about that. everybody is defending this man. he would be ok if he kept his mouth shut but he can't keep his mouth shut. i just don't understand how in the world this man -- indictment after indictment. being with hookers and still being a christian. i don't get it. i just don't get it. if black people was up there in washington, d.c. two years ago, they would still be trying to clean the streets up. host: that was otis. this is cameron in missouri. nevada, missouri. republican.

caller: good morning. i would like to say the state of our country and economy and all the stuff going on with israel has become something that is center stage and should be the main focus as far as what we are dealing with, conflict with other country. after this conflict is over will have to think about a leader that will bring peace over there and bring balance to those nations. i'm afraid -- i'm pretty sure i know exact he was going to happen. just like it says in the prophecy of revelations in the bible. the antichrist will come. after a conflict it will be chaos. he will bring peace to the nations and be the leader. whoever that man is, we don't know yet. host: you think we are in the end times? caller: absolutely.

host: amin in temple, texas. the lifer democrats. am -- the line for democrats. caller: how are you doing? i want everybody to listen to me. i don't know why we are helping everybody else and giving everybody else money for things they did when our people was put on a shopping block, raped, and we worked for 400 years and didn't get a dime. when are we going to get our money? nobody else has suffered as bad as the negro in america. the only people that had it worse than us was the jews because hitler killed them.

people should stop being hypocritical. black people are here. they are staying here and they fought in wars. but no, you did not help. you helped all these other people. israel took the land from the palestinians in the beginning in 1948. why are you helping them? host: this is paul, south lake tahoe, california. independent. good morning. caller: good morning, john. thanks for taking my call. a lot of people calling about whining about how i can't afford food, food, food. i live on $1200 a month. i pay attention to the food ads. just simple food ads. paper food ads. digital food ads. you have to pay attention to the sales and quit whining about not being able to afford prime rib.

host: paul, what are other suggestions for living on $1200 a month in this country? caller: like i said, pay attention to the food ads. many times they also have gas discounts because you bought food. there are a lot of things you can do. quit whining and buck up and be americans and help each other out. pay attention to the food ads. host: is it social security you are on? caller: it is social security. i have medicare and medi-cal. medically i'm ok. with the food i'm good. you don't need a turkey. settle for a chicken. host: this is charles out of louisiana, republican. caller: yes ma'am.

i wanted to give a comment on the bible as they have been trying to prove it wrong for thousands of years, because of what it says. every time they dig up something it just proves it. they have never proved it wrong. what i wanted to say about the bible is that it says god knit us together and our mother's womb. he does that real quick. right at conception. at the moment of conception he knits us together. he does it in a hurry. everything that we need for life is there. what we are going to be, the color arise, the color of our hair, everything. god does that. from then on all the baby needs

from the time of conception is he needs protection and nourishment. i'm 77 years old and i still need that. i need protection and nourishment. i tell you, jesus is amazing what he does. if we would just listen to him then maybe trump could not be wanting to get back at other people so bad. i know that during his years we had the best for blacks, for women, for all kinds of people. yet now we are in -- in kentucky and elections they were bragging about the fact they had won because of abortion. is not horrible? that we want to brag about murdering a little innocent baby? accu. -- thank you. host: earl, lakewood,

washington. about 10 minutes left and we are ending an open forum. what is on your mind? caller: a lot of things. mainly the fact you guys are not going to get cameras into the trump trial. the reason you will not get cameras in there is because it gives america a look at the real two-tiered justice system. the real two-tiered justice system is the fact that rich gangster type people can sit in a courtroom sneering at the judge, calling them names and get away with it. they are totally aloof and apart from the real criminal justice system, which shackles and put you in the orange suit for petty stuff. the rich, the elite, organized

crime which really runs the entire world, what is the judge to them? he is nothing. that is why you are not going to get cameras in their. you will see the real world. host: who wants to keep that out, earl? caller: the elites. the people trump worked for to build his empire in new york. host: donald trump's lawyers say they want the cameras in the courtroom. caller: i don't believe that for a hot second. host: ok. this is roberto in central california, independent. caller: good morning there to you and your listeners. i have one thing weighing on my mind. i have been trying to hear from

discussion on it and no matter how many channels i turned to i don't hear any discussion on who is going to be paying for all the repairs that needs to be done to gaza, the gaza strip and all that destruction israel has been raining down upon that land. i know israel has been receiving a lot of money from us over the years. i heard it was to the tune of $10 million a day since 1968, which is $3.6 billion a year every year since. i don't know if that is true. i guess they have a lot of money. who is going to fix all that destroyed buildings? that land is infested by famine and disease and hopelessness. who is going to fix that? host: who do you think it will become of roberto? -- it will be, roberto?

caller: the people that do the work will be the contractors and people making money. i don't know who was going to pay the money. who was going to be left with the bill. i don't know. host: this is joe in fremont. republican. good morning. caller: good morning. i think my whole thing is -- let me use my tv. my whole thing is about the voting. i think we should go to thumbprints like everybody else. voting has been going on for two weeks in california. it is ridiculous. you don't even believe about anymore. when it comes to trump, these lawsuits. we are watching them. does anyone even believe them anymore? they go on and on. gag order's on him and his team but everyone else can go want and say whatever they want.

that low your comes out every day -- lawyer comes out every day and has a briefing before he goes on trial. it is really sad to watch and that is about it. host: cedar hill, texas. this is paul. good morning. caller: good morning, america. i think it needs to be televised so they can be exposed. these evangelicals got real quiet as these cases keep piling up on trump. you don't hear too much of them anymore. they got into politics and are writing his bandwagon. we know who he is and what he represents. they keep giving the money to the rich. corporate america runs america now thanks to the republican party. i have not seen one built the republican passed since ronald reagan. host: what would it expose? what will we see you we have not seen in the time that donald trump has been in the public eye?

caller: body language says a lot. you see the body language. it is said. we can tell if our kids are telling the tale looking at their faces. it is the same thing by watching him. he needs to get there and testify. host: that is paul in texas. a few minutes left. toshi in santa clara, california. caller: good morning. two point. my first point is absolutely it should be televised. number two is a little longer. it is why i would never vote for joe biden. there is always too much one-sided support for things instead of looking at the whole picture, especially in israel. seeing the humanity of both

people. there is no real legislation passed for people of color. they have a lot of promises but nothing is ever really passed. under trump i had way more prosperity. i'm not just speaking about money. i'm speaking about opportunities and prosperity as an african-american. that is why i'm a little bit more sided towards trump that it would be for biden. i'm not going to vote for biden. i'm on the fence as far as trump. i have to say throughout the years we had trump there was a lot more prosperity on my behalf. host: what kind of work do you do? caller: it is difficult for me to vote for biden. host: what kind of work do you do? caller: right now i am a dispatcher. host: for what? caller: petroleum company. host: you saw a lot more

prosperity under the trump administration? caller: absolutely. i had a job. i continued to have a job. in 2020 with the covid-19, i lost my job. it took a long time for me to get a job back. when i did get a job back, i got a job for less money than i was being paid during the time that trump was in office. host: that is toshi. maybe time for one or two more calls. joan from rochester, minnesota. democrat. caller: good morning to you. i wanted to say that i think former president trump is happy with the news. whether they are saying something good or something bad, he likes being in the face of people. i also feel like the man in washington that follows him -- men in washington that follow

him, he's like the pied piper. i wish they would get some of their own integrity and fight for what they really know what is right instead of worshiping the man who actually has brought more dismay and sorrow to this country, and fear, then nearly any other president before. as far as being a man, i don't think so. i think he is a puppet who wants to be in charge of everything. it's a sad thing for our country to have people truly think he has done everything wonderful. i wish he would just disappear from the tv every day, all day. then we will see something good about this country. the people who built this country. the blacks and the other people that came to this country as slaves and tilted to be the wonderful place that it is. thank you.

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morning. i want to say a few words. hamas has been holding hostages since october 7 and we have been working on this intensively for weeks and i spoke recently about it with benjamin netanyahu and -- [indiscernible] we are now very close, very close, and we could bring these hostages home very soon, but i don't want to get into the details because -- [indiscernible] and we have more -- and we will, but things are looking good at the moment. now we are here today to talk about fentanyl and how we can do more to save american lives. fentanyl is the number one killer of 18 to 45 americans,

and issue hurting families in every state across the nation. in curbing this crisis is something every american can get behind, democrat and republican. that is why tackling this opioid epidemic is part of my unity agenda working to address this threat from every angle we can pursue. our administration has taken steps to expand access to lifesaving public health services and breakdown long-standing barriers for treatment for substance abuse disorders. we focused on prevention, harm reduction, treatment, and recovery. that has been our focus. this also has roots outside our borders, outside the borders of the united states, a global challenge that demands global action. we are pursuing national coordination to strangle the flow of deadly drugs, as we have and are doing with precu