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other providers, giving you a front row seat to democracy. ♪ host: good morning. it is wednesday, november 22. thomas to free 50 hostages and declare a four day pause in fighting. 150 palestinian minors and hostages with be released in exchange. give us a call by party, democrat, (202)-748-8000. republicans, (202)-748-8001. independents, (202)-748-8002. you can text us at (202)-748-8003. send your first name and your city, state. and we are on social media, facebook.com/c-span and x at @cspanwj. welcome to today's

"washington journal." here is the wall street journal's headline that says israel-hamas reach deal on hostages. israel agreed to deal with hamas to free 50 civilian hostages held by militants in gaza in return for the release of palestinian prisoners from israeli jails and a series of pauses in fighting. the israeli cabinet approved the deal after a long deliberation that started tuesday and went into the early morning hours of wednesday in jerusalem. eight cap weeks of painstaking negotiations brokered by qatar, egypt and the u.s., arcing the first major diplomatic breakthrough since the war began on. october 7 hamas confirmed the deal in a statement. it will be carried out in two phases. the first, 30 children, eight mothers and 12 other women will be released over four days. the first hostages could be freed as early as thursday. people familiar with the deal said.

in exchange, israel will release 150 palestinian women and minors held in israeli prisons, and there will be a pause in fighting over the entire gaza strip. israel has agreed to forgo drone surveillance in northern gaza for six hours, and in the second phase, up to 30 hostages would be released over three days. in that phase, non-israeli hostages could be freed. israel will also follow additional deliveries of aid, including fuel into gaza via border crossing with egypt. people said ahead of the announcement, prime minister netanyahu said israel would continue to fight the war against hamas despite the pauses. here is the washington post. that says that they agreed to a hostage deal, since the six-week

air and ground assault on the gaza strip after hamas' october 7 attack. key updates include three americans are expected among women and children released in the hostage deal, according to u.s. officials. and that the pause would extend an extra day for the release of every 10 additional hostages. let's hear what prime minister netanyahu said during a cabinet meeting about that, saying that the fight would continue in gaza until all hostages were released. a quick note for those listening on the radio, this is in hebrew with english subtitles. [video clip] prime minister netanyahu: [ speaking hebrew]

[end video clip] host: that was the israeli prime minister yesterday, saying that we are at war. he says there are stages to releasing hostages, but he would not let go until they reach "absolute victory and bring all the hostages back." we are taking your calls this morning on the noon news breaking overnight -- new news breaking overnight that a hostage deal has been reached with israel and hamas. jim, democrat, in new jersey. caller: good morning and thank you for taking my phone call. i bless you happy thanksgiving

to one and all, and let's hope that the war will come to a peaceful agreement of everything. host: happy thanksgiving to you, too, jim. take a look at what president biden said last week at a news conference about the -- what he thinks is the ending for the conflict. [video clip] pres. biden: i made it clear to the israelis that i think the only ultimate war answer here is a two state solution that is real. we have to get to the point where there is an ability to even talk without worrying about whether or not we are just dealing with -- they are dealing with hamas is going to engage in the same activities they did

over the past on the seventh. i am not a fortune teller and cannot tell you how long it is going to last, what i don't think it would be until there is a two state solution. i told the israelis that i don't think it works to occupy gaza. [end video clip] host: president biden from last week, speaking about what he sees as the endgame for the conflict. we are taking your calls this morning on the israel-hamas hostage deal. your thoughts and opinions on that. give us a call. democrats, (202)-748-8000. republicans, (202)-748-8001. independents, (202)-748-8002. you can text us at (202)-748-8003. we are on social media. this is what we got from tracy on facebook. time to release all of the hostages, prayers going out in

jesus' mighty name. sonja says, simply glad to hear. james says, will the biden administration get any credit for this negotiation or will the media continue to say biden is old? host: james, about that, scott from the new york times says political pressure on biden's health drives secret needs and hostage talks. the deal comes as democrats are divided over president biden's abrasive israel. here is the article. israel's acceptance of the terms for the hostage deal with hamas reflected the intense pressure brought on by the biden administration to reach an agreement that would free some of those held by the armed group and produce potential longer-term opportunities to de-escalate the conflict. the initial approval of the deal by the israeli cabinet came after a "secret cell of top

aides to president biden worked furiously over the past weeks on a web of negotiations involving qatar, egypt, and israel, and effort hampered by communications outages in gaza and disputes that derail the talks." white house officials who spoke on an amenity to discuss the negotiations that led to a deal said the agreement include the release of three americans, two women and a toddler. the officials said they would continue to push for the release of all u.s. hostages. the deal came at a time when, cuts are divided over mr. biden's abrasive israel, particularly as the civilian toll in gaza grows and as polling shows the president receiving low marks on his handling of the crisis ahead of his reelection campaign. mark is calling from florida, democrat. caller: good morning.

first, what is to prevent hamas from getting more hostages? i and 83 and have parkinson's -- i am 83 and have parkinson's, so it takes me a little longer to get out the words, but what prevents them from taking more hostages? ? nothing. and why would they fill up those tubs with water and gasoline? host: where would they get the hostages because israeli defense forces have secured israel at this point. caller: well, not enough to prevent hamas from getting more hostages when they continue the fight. they can take israeli army people as hostages. i do not have to tell you what vermin these people are.

they will get some back and then get some more. stop that. nothing in the agreement about not taking any more hostages. host: all right, mark. let's take a look at what president biden, the statement that he released yesterday evening about this topic. he says, i welcome the deal to secure their release ohostages taken by the terrorist group has during its brutal assault on israel on october 7. i thank qatar and the president of egypt for their critical leadership and partnership in reaching this deal. and i appreciate the comtment that mr. netanyahu and his government made in supporting an extended pause to ensure this deal can be fully carried out and ensurehe provision of additional humanitarian assistance to alleviate the

suffering of innocent palestinian families. in gaza. i look forward to speaking to each of these leaders and staying in close contact as we work to ensure this deal is carried through in its entirety. it is important that all aspects this deal will fully implemented. today's deal should bring home additional american hostages, and i will not stop until they are all released. that is a statement from president biden on the release of hostages or the deal, i should say. they have not been released yet. the earliest they could be released as a starting tomorrow, and we are taking your calls for this first hour, getting your reaction. democrats, (202)-748-8000. republicans, (202)-748-8001. independents, (202)-748-8002. let's talk to tim in wisconsin, democrat.

caller: good morning. you know, i am definitely not an expert on military tactics or hostage negotiations or any of that sort of thing, but i do know when terrorists, when you appease them even a little, they take advantage of this, and i fear hamas and hezbollah will regroup to buy some other terrorist activities. i hope they all get out, and i hope everyone of them gets free, but i am just saying, right now, they cannot do it. i hate to say that because i know those people are waiting for their families to get out of there, but hamas has to be destroyed before any of this can happen because they are going to take advantage. they are not going to cease fire. they are just going to move stuff around.

they're going to move bombs here and there, and devise new terrorist plans somewhere else. thank you. host: here is michael on x that says, getting hostage prisoners released and stopping the slaughter, even temporarily are positive steps. tami says, thank you to israel for fighting terrorism. no cease fire until all the hostages are released. and we take a look at the front page of "the washington pos." . it says israel-hamas which hostage deal. a four day pause and exchange of people. allies hope this leads to more negotiations. i want to show you appease from jon ossoff's, the first millennial and jewish member of the senate from georgia, on the

senate floor last week, speaking about the israel-hamas war. [video clip] >> hamas embeds its military capabilities within gaza's civilian infrastructure. it hides the hind and beneath gaza's civilian population. but the depraved tactics of hamas do not relieve israeli leaders of their obligations to protect innocent life, nor should they harden our hearts against the innocent people who live under their rule. in five weeks, relentless airstrikes and the continuous use of massive munitions in dense urban areas have killed thousands of civilians and seriously wounded many thousands more, including many children. in a territory half the size of

dekalb county, georgia, tens of thousands of homes have been destroyed or damaged beyond use, and more than 1.5 million people have been displaced. clean water, food, and medicine are scarce, and the continued obstruction of aid necessary for sanitation and health care will worsen the suffering disease and death. small children are wasting from malnutrition and falling ill and overcrowded shelters and makeshift camps. imagine the desperation of families with young children just trying to survive. and this, too, mr. president, requires more clarity. the extent of civilian death and suffering in gaza is unnecessary . it is a moral failure, and it should be unacceptable to the

united states. [end video clip] host: that was senator ossoff talking about the israel-hamas war. we are taking your calls on the reaction to the hostage deal reached between israel and hamas to release 50 hostages being held in gaza in exchange for 150 palestinian prisoners. peter is a republican in portland, oregon. good morning. caller: good morning. host: go ahead. caller: i have seen this before, in israel. and the interesting thing is israel has usually given even more palestinian hostages for this kind of a grouping problem, and it has never worked. and this is actually pretty

small, the usual tap for tap for palestinians and israeli held hostages, which is really strange because we should give lives one 41, and nobody in the world has ever done that which is really, really weird. host: so, you are saying that the three for one deal is strange and not typically what happens? is that what you are saying? caller: it is completely improper. it is saying that a life is worth less than another life. it is what the palestinians have always done with israel. this is really, really old news. host: there is also the cease fire, peter or we should call it

, "a positive fighting." -- "a pause in fighting." caller: the pause is good because everybody gets killed, but nobody cares in this area of the government in israel versus the palestinians since 1947 when they said that they were giving the palestinians their own state. so the murder going on between the two states does not make any sense. host: you have got it. grover, democrat in virginia. caller: hi. [indiscernible] president biden and his people need to be congratulated for the effort they are putting forth in order to get the people free. you know the people talking like

a gentleman before me, he talked about it should be 1 for 1. i mean, have faith that let them try to do the best they can. because they can talk because they are not there, if they were there, they would not be worried for one for one. they would just consider getting everyone, every life saved and is important. so things are going to get better. host: also in virginia, this time in broadway, virginia, republican, jerry. caller: good morning. whatever happened to the adage of we do not negotiate with terrorists? that is all joe biden and barack obama did. look what barack obama did.

he traded 15 high-level terrorists for one traitor. joe biden should let israel do what they need to do and keep his nose out. we do not negotiate with terrorists. you are just empowering them. we always wind up with the short stick in these negotiations. host: all right, jerry. let's talk to abdul in woodhaven, new york, good morning. caller: good morning, how are you? host: good. caller: listen. some of your callers, i listen to the guy from florida. he was an old timer. this war started october 7, you should know that. when this war started, it was around the same time, 1946-1947. you know, the president should be using the war funds instead

of congress ones. i am so stick -- sick [indiscernible] these people that had a little nothing, nothing at all, they don't have nothing. thank you. host: abdul mentioned president biden. there is an nbc news poll that came out the last few days, talking about this issue. it says biden standing his new load amid israel-hamas war, and young voters are breaking from biden, helping give trump a narrow lead for the first time an nbc news pulling, although the gap is within the margin of error. you can see majority disapproves of biden's handling of the israel-hamas war. and democrats are sharply divided.

sodalite color approves -- so the light color approves, the colors disapprove. 51% approve, 41% disapprove, and among independents, 31% approve, 59% disapprove, among republicans, 22% in the approval category, 69% disapproval. moses is in florida, independent. caller: good morning. how are you? host: good. caller: excellent. i had a couple of questions. do you agree iran is responsible for the terrorist attacks in israel? host: is that what you think, moses? caller: absolutely.

personally, hamas, hezbollah and the houthi, they will do anything without iran's approval. another question, do you believe that biden's refusal to enforce sanctions of the previous administration have enriched iran's oil sales to finance terror across the world? host: is that what you think, moses? caller: well, i am asking, do you believe if biden's refusal to enforce sanctions that were placed by the previous demonstration has enriched iran and enabled them to finance? host: what do you think, moses? caller: i think so. first of all, the actions biden took, with happened -- what

happened in afghanistan, the botched withdrawal, afghanistan started the whole thing, and then he turns around and tells russia he would not mind a small incursion? that was a green light. host: what do you think of the hostage deal? caller: what i think about the hostage deal? i think that, you know, the fact that they come to the tables to discuss, you know -- i am all for freeing hostages. nobody wants to see people in captivity. it would be nice if they could work something out, but the bottom line is that this all could have been avoided if biden would have enforced the sanctions on iran that would have had them finance these

terrorist groups. host: here's an article from reuters last month. it says that trump pledges to ban muslims from the u.s., it says that donald trump promised that its elected president will bar immigrants who support hamas from entering the u.s. and sent officers to pro-hamas protest terrorist and deport immigrants who publicly support palestinian militant groups. let's take a look at what he said recently about that. this is from an event in iowa from saturday. [video clip] >> i will immediately expand the trump for travel ban on entry from terror play countries, and i will implement strong ideological screening on all immigrants.

i had a trump travel ban on numerous countries, which are horrible in terms of what is taking place within those countries, and countries that hate us. i do not want them in our country. they hate our country. i do not want them in our country. if you hate america and wanted to abolish israel, if you sympathize with jihadists and we don't do exactly what you want, if you do all of these bad things and you have bad thoughts in your mind, you're not getting into the united states of america. you were not coming in. [end video clip] host: former president trump from saturday. we are taking your calls about the israel-hamas hostage deal. chris out of michigan, democrat. caller: good morning. my question is, the keep going on and on, and there are a couple of hostages, and they

continue to use those as employee to keep on killing all these innocent people. how many people does it take to say one hostage? -- save one hostage? it is like a snowball. it is not going to stop. they cannot seem to get their act in order. anyway, thank you. host: bill in orange park, florida, republican. . the morning caller:-- good morning. caller: yeah, i think israel, the parliament or whatever it is, the group of lawmakers over there, they were against the prime minister early. they wanted him out of office. this makes him look bad. this country should never give them another penny to israel.

no money at all. they are dumb enough to go along with this stuff because they're just going to give them a break to build up all the stuff. host: you are against any deal for the hostages? caller: you better believe it. they should just blow them off the map and do not stop them now. do not stop the israel people now because it is going to come back in about six months, and they are going to do another massive killing of israel's. host: israelis are saying they are not ending the war. they are just pausing the fighting. caller: that is all they are doing, giving them time to put more missiles together and iran can get more money. those people in the white house ought to have more brains than that. they have not been in an overseas project for 50 years.

his own guys back when he was running for office told him that. host: told him what? caller: for the last 40 years, that anything overseas requires being knowing something to do with the military or anything else with the government. host: all right. let's talk to ft. pierce, for the, independent, steve. caller: good morning. good to talk to you. i think we need to put the whole thing into context. this war is over a lot of laces. there was a young boy named mohammed who drove into a cave and busted something called the dead sea scrolls. the foundation of the village is that the jewish religion has

perverted the old testament of their scriptures, and mohammed was supposed to correct this. but there they have the dead sea scrolls that were there before palestine existed in all of this stuff, but when he found those dead sea scrolls, it proved that the jewish scriptures has not changed before the time of christ. mohammed lived 600 years after christ, so this whole war is based on a philosophy about our religious profit that has been proven false -- prophet that has been proven false. because we do not address that, this war will continue.

this is a sad situation for the world because the muslim religion believes he was the last prophet. and the scrolls proves the basic premise. so what do we do about that, keep sacrificing people? once the truth is disguised, we have no way to deal with it. host: let's talk to gary next, missouri, democrat. caller: good morning, ma'am. let me say [indiscernible] it is not necessary. when him and obama [indiscernible]

he is doing this is so-called unnecessary. if i was active, biden would not compare. host: wichita, kansas, republican. good morning. re: there? -- are you here? crenford? caller: i heard another voice coming over the phone and it threw me off. the whole situation back to its grassroots, picture that is really parties. would we put up with a country that had such a political party as what is in those eastern

countries today, especially iran? when it started in saudi arabia? we would not have tolerated that. host: we would not have tolerated what? caller: we would not have tolerated that if we still had our war of war spirits. host: what to think of the hostage deal? caller: the hostage deal is terrible. it is a shame it always ends up like that. i am so angry at israel -- and i love that country -- but i am angry at them for not having more people in arms. there was one israeli that had a gun, and he saw all of the bad guys. we are allowed to have weapons in the united states. the hostage deal, we have got to get those people loose, but it is a shame it happened to begin

with. this trigger was a war that has needed to happen. both people are slaves under crooked governments, no different than russia's. host: charles in colorado, independent. caller: good morning. hopefully have some time to articulate this, but in 1947, written -- britain broke up the ottoman empire and gave israel a state. at that time, israel had 24% of the population. since then, the dirty secret that nobody in america uses reporting as the over 2000 settlements that the israelite have gone full dose palestinian homes, putting them basically in concentration camps, and confiscated their land. that is the bottom line of all of this, and that is what israel

is trying to do. they just took 1000 hectors last year, and these palestinians now are living in these concentration camps, so everyone is calling hamas terrorists, and they are, but this is a reaction to a problem. if you look at gaza, it has been under a lucky for decades, and they have been striving the people out, and the people cannot even get food, water, basic needs. it is basically a prison, open air prison. everybody is saying oh, poor israel, but if you have looked at the history of this. right now in the west bank, for instance, they are at this. they are attacking settlers, palestinians, kids, babies, they

are killing them. what really irks me about all of this, too, is that all these bombs, all these planes, all these guns say made in america. and joe biden, bless his soul, but their tail is wagging the dog here, and we will never go against israel and say, we are not going to give you any more until you agree to a two state solution, and the israelites never want to do that because if they did, and we went back somewhere near the 1967 lines, they would not be able to expand settlements anymore. netanyahu has even said they want to occupy gaza? look at hamas. they are 20% of the population, and look what they are doing to gaza. they are not going after hamas. they are just wiping out the

people there. they are done. they are just bombing randomly, taking it out. so when americans start thinking, you know, oh, this is hamas. i will tell you this much, this is the fifth time. this could end, but it will not go away. you might try to kill hamas, which will not be able to do because they will rise up again because of the horrid conditions in gaza and how the israelites are still taking over settlements. you can kill a man but not an ideal.that is a problem here . host: let's take a look at the pole that i mentioned earlier from nbc news. this is regarding israel's actions since october 7 attack. here what it says. among them aquatic voters, 51%

-- among democratic voters, 51% believe israel has gone too far, versus 50% who say their actions are justified. a majority of all voters, 55% support u.s. military aid to israel, but almost half of democrats, 49%, oppose it, and that is from a poll from earlier this week from nbc news. tanya from las vegas, democrat. caller: good morning. host: go ahead. caller: first of all, i am calling from nevada. i have family in lebanon. what nobody is realizing is that this is not a holy war. this goes beyond bombs, missiles, hostages, and the collateral damage in the end, and nobody is taking into consideration that all the points people are making are trivial because when it comes down to it, it is a holy war.

no one is emphasizing their rights or their beliefs in doing so. i am sorry for the hostages and all the people that are suffering because everybody is fanatical over there. i have to be middle eastern, as well, and i was raised to where this is about god, allah versus god, and it astounds me nobody is taking the verses of the bible into consideration with what is happening. host: richard in north carolina, republican. caller: yeah. like the girl just said, you know, use their religion against them. load up 200 of those razorbacks, a fly them over there, and drop

these boys and their titles, and as you come running out, we are going shoot you, and when we kill you, we will wrap you in a pigskin and dario. once we are -- and we will bury you. i bet you they will throw down their weapons and stop. thank you. host: henry in macedonia, ohio, independent. caller: good morning. host: good morning. caller: i would like to say that [indiscernible] host: henry, we are having trouble hearing you. try that again. caller: can you hear me now? host: a little better. caller: i believe joe biden is doing a terrible job. from my knowledge, seems like we are going into a recession. food is so expensive. you go to the grocery store, it is like chicken is five or six dollars.

what i am confused about is, you know, how is it they have money for wars but barely see they can feed the poor. they cut our schools off and everything. they send money to israel every year, $5 billion, they have free health care in israel. we don't got nothing over here. we have homeless people sleeping on the ground every single day. on top of that, it is kind of funny how they was kind of trying to condemn russia, saying basically, putin is wrong for dropping bombs on ukraine, but they turn around and do it to another country. we have not seen no pictures coming out of ukraine of people dying. it is just kind of fake about money, politics, and last but not least, i just believe that it is just here to confuse the

masses as a people. i believe joe biden is doing a horrible job, especially when it comes to this country. all the immigrants. how can you get immigrants places to stay, free rent, you have homeless people living on the street. and the first thing the u.s. says, and his it is the best choice for those who are homeless. host: democrat in north hellenic, good morning. caller: good morning -- in north carolina, good morning. caller: good morning. that is a complicated situation. i think biden is doing the best he can do with the resources he has got. thank god we don't have no person like donald trump will try to mess up because there is no solution to it is going on

over there. it will take a lot of negotiations. thank you for letting me speak my mind. host: robert, indiana, republican. caller: good morning. just have a short comment. i used to be against israel with all the money we were getting them, the $6 billion a year. i used to complain about wire getting israel all this money? then you look around nclb's enemies they are surrounded with and you have incidents like what happened on the seventh, and you have babies being murdered in their cribs. kind of changes the perspective. my son said, you don't really believe they were doing that to the children, do you? absolutely. these fanatics have been going at it for 2000 years. it is just crazy. for them to do the tit for tat trade, no way. i don't agree with that at all. they need to release all the

hostages, get them all back home, and just settle the palestinians someplace far away so this issue will go away. if not, it is never going to end. that is all i have to say. host: neal, boca raton, sort, independent. -- florida, independent. caller: on social media, all they are doing is showing what is going on in isa. they refuse to show the video of what happened on october 7. show the video. that everybody see the atrocities that happened so they understand why israel went after hamas. that is all i am saying. you have got to show the atrocities so people understand in this world, if you do not see it on video, nobody believes it. so it is 24/7, show the video.

i also believe israel is pounding gaza at this point, maybe it created the hostages cities, but it is just [indiscernible] as illustrating, if you take 1400 of ours, we will take 14,000 of yours. what was hamas thinking? what do they think the result would be going into israel, creating these atrocities? full disclosure -- go ahead. host: i was curious what you think the answer to that is? why do you think hamas did that? caller: that is the big question. maybe this is what they wanted to create. ab they knew israel was going to come back hard, and this is exactly what they wanted to create. can anybody else come up with an answer? i have children. you always teach them, what are the results you are looking for when you do this? there has got to be an answer. i don't see an answer here, do you? you deflected.

host: you think they wanted israel to overreact and inflame the rest of the world and essentially turned the world against israel? caller: honestly, it sounds diabolical, all right, but i cannot come up with any other answer. i really cannot. and i have racked my brain. they knew israel would come back and hit hard. they had to have known it. had to. i guess that is the result they were looking for. i guess they succeeded. you know, a question to be pondered. that is all i wanted to put out there. thank you for your time. host: alex in d.c., democrat. caller: good morning. i think neil beat me to it. he hit it on the head. there is no other explanation. i have a lot of jewish friends, and on october 7, and the days and weeks after, there is a lot of pain.

anybody who is listening, please check in on your jewish friends and palestinian friends because at the end of the day, you know, the human toll is the worst, you know what i mean? politics politics, we can speculate all we want, but what we can do is be there for each other. the hostage deal -- i don't know if you already or said this earlier in the program, but the majority of the palestinians that israel is going to release our teenagers. they are mostly male teenagers between 16 and 18 and women as young as 14. what he said before, well, if you take one, i will take 100, that is the basic rule of war of commencement reaction or whatever it is called. that is the one thing i wanted to say. the other is that, you know, i am a democrat and voted for biden. i probably will vote for him again -- well, i am not going to

look for trump. that is the bottom line -- going to vote for trump. that is the bottom line. i am sick of the u.s. having this moral ambiguity and saying we are going to let other countries their own decisions but also say here is six point dollars or however many billion dollars. you are forcing -- endorsing bad behavior and those actions by saying, here is the money but do whatever you want with it. we cannot play both sides here. i think that is -- when people call in and say biden is a weak president, that is where i agree. he is morally weak, especially in this situation where he is taking the side of a country that is committing more crimes, you know, and, like i said, i have -- i feel the pain and those comparisons to 9/11 and what hamas did is so brutal and horrible, and, not but, and what

israel was doing before the attack with the settlements and everything, and what they are doing now by what, 11,000 civilians killed? we cannot endorse either of those things. we cannot justify either of those things. yeah, that is all i have to say. host: all right, alex. let's talk to lori in maryland, republican, next. caller: good morning. i wanted to know, what is the difference in the ku klux klan and hamas? because the klan hung black women by their feet, and stopped their babies. -- stomped their babies. white people would type black people to trees and beat them to death, we have said to black people on fire, and some people now are yelling here in america, we don't like men, and

we would kill some of the jews here. we have terrorists here in the united states. we cannot talk about anybody. we are just as bad. host: can sam in san diego, california, independent. caller: good morning. i think this is a really just very complicated situation that i think needed to be investigated further before rushing into conclusion and action. i think the timing is like, you know, the netanyahu government was basically at the verge of

war with the changing of the judiciary there, to serve his personal needs, and there is evidence surfacing online that the foot soldiers turned a blind eye and allowed it to happen. i am not justifying the action but they could have prevented it to have the most sophisticated surveillance, security we paid for with $350 billion of aid through multiple administrations, and then they reacted without strategically thinking. step one, let's deal with the hostages. step two, let's prevent a humanitarian crisis we don't look more savage than the savages he committed these terrorists attack. step three, let's strategically take out the hamas terrorists.

that would have been a more strategic response. and i just don't think it is good for american interest because then we are viewed as just being so biased and giving unconditional support and the situation where we have already deemed the settlements illegal. and this has just created potentially escalatory environment, and no the time -- the chinese and iranians, and the russians, and this audis all getting together so it is, like, you know, it is putting us in danger, and then notice the response at home. the hate crimes are up and everything. i think this is not dealt with rationally or it was dealt with

emotionally, but i do think -- i am hopeful that maybe this pause, this cease-fire will address the underlying circumstances that fermented is event to occur, and when the former prime minister -- in any normal country, the prime minister would resign the next day on cnn, and he is still running the show. i just think we need to be a lot more objective about this, and a lot more fact-based about this and not let this be an emotional issue with generalizations that make one party right and one party wrong because reality is not that simple. host: let's talk to terry in california, democrat. caller: good morning. when i look at this, i am deeply

conflicted. i say this because i am going to say this and probably get a lot of hate, but there is enough blame on both sides of this. people forget there is an oppression of the palestinians for a long time. and that does not, in any way, justify what they did of coming over and doing those atrocities. however, when you look at both sides of this, there is enough blame to go around. the settlements, the fact that -- look at the fact that palestine, you could cut them off without any fuel, electricity, whatever. and you have got all of this, and i do not know how to fix this. i honestly and truly do not.

maybe there is a two state solution, but i think with what israel has done, it is like, ok, i have -- 1500 people have died, i am going to kill everybody in the room. that is one step too far. and i agree with what one caller said, this is just an emotional attack. i am angry, i am going obliterate everything. and now that you have done this because we don't know how many people are dead because when you bombed buildings and they follow-up on people, you don't know how many people are in there. they don't know. i am quite sure there are just as many babies dead and people did over there. but how are you going to rebuild all of this? and then who has got the money? again, we are going to go in and pay. this part i think we need to

stop. we just need to stop. that is my thought. host: john in mansfield, ohio, republican. caller: hello. i will just make a couple quick points. earlier caller, it was robert gates, defense secretary under four presidents, republican and democrats, who said that in 40 years, joe biden was never correct on any foreign policy. and we had abraham pete's working, and two years ago, biden went to saudi arabia, which made them start talking to china, but, recently, saudi arabia and israel have been talking about it. that is like iran should visit israel to break up that camp. as far as the deaths, hamas is reporting numbers but until this

is over and we can get more accurate counts, i would not take anything at face value. i just want [indiscernible] after that, they can settle it anyway they want. host: debbie in buford, georgia, independent line. debbie, can you hear me? no. maybe somebody can help me with that line. let's try brookshire -- there is debbie. caller: debbie -- caller: yes, i wanted to call because i watched a speech given to the un by a man who was the son of the hamas architect, and he explains the mindset of the palestinian people in gaza are

the actual arabs in gaza from birth, how they are indoctrinated into the hatred and the whole life. the only ambition is to kill jews -- they're only ambition is to kill jews. he explained it to the u.n. nobody has put it on television. i watched it on the internet. and he has written "son of hamas," is claiming how as a child, he was raised from infancy to hate jews, and how even their cartoon characters show cartoons of jews killing their little puppets and they have a mickey mouse, and they have their little heroes, and they have these jewish soldiers attacking them and killing them.

they indoctrinate the children from birth to hate and kill jews . that is their entire ambition in life, and he explained it all in his speech to the united nations, and you do not see that on television. you only get to see that in the internet. i wanted to introduce him to you, and maybe you will take time to put him on your show so people can understand the mindset of the gazan arabs. host: i have heard of him, and we appreciate the suggestion, debbie. let's talk in brookshire, texas, republican line, tiny? uh -- there you are, good morning. caller: good morning. on the israel and hamas

cease-fire. i am not in agreement with that. my feeling on the situation, no. they need to just bomb them out. they are not going to change their mind. there goal is to destroy israel. they do not want a two state solution or anything like that. if you want to blame anything on israel, it is the palestinians that voted hamas and as their leader. they are just as bad as china and russia. and the united states because we have hamas people sitting in our congress, in this united states. we have people here to -- who want to see israel destroyed. israel will never be destroyed because god will not allow it. pray for israel and you will be blessed. you will be cursed by trying to

destroy israel. israel will never be destroyed. and we just have to understand that. hamas is a terrorist organization and they are able to kill anyone. they are raping the women and then they turn them loose. host: that is a time that we have got for this segment. thank you for everybody that called in and participated in this segment. you will have more time to weigh in on this during open forum. coming up, michael tanner of the foundation for research on equal opportunity talks about efforts to fight poverty in the united states and why the federal government's approach needs to be revamped. and then lisa davis from share our strength discusses their no kid hungry campaign to end childhood hunger and food insecurity in the u.s.. we will be right back.

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