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public service, along with these other television providers, giving you a front room seat to -- front row seat to democracy. it is "washington journal" for november 25. disease five between israel and hamas, the release of hostages -- several were released yesterday with several more expected today. president biden expressed optimism about the current pause , expressing hopes that it would continue. israeli officials said it is expected fighting would eventually resume. comments on the state of events between israel and hamas by calling the following lines. 202-748-8000 for democrats. 202-748-8001 for republicans. independents, 202-748-8002. you can text us your thoughts on

the current state of affairs between israel and hamas at 202-748-8003. you can also post on social media. do that at facebook.com/c-span. you can also post on x, @cspanwj . when it comes to expected events today, this is what u.s. news is reporting saying it is expected hamas provided mediators, egypt and qatar, for hostages to be released and the list has been passed on to israel according to a source speaking on anonymity because he was not permitted to talk about the details. a second official speaking on continued anonymity confirmed the details. hamas will release one hostage for every three prisoners freed and israel prison services already set it was preparing 42 prisoners for release -- said it

was preparing 42 prisoners for release. a rundown from the associated press saying it was hamas who released hostages, is really nationals and a visitor from the philippines. at least 150 palestinian prisoners expected to be released. day two with the cease-fire holding. you can comment on the prisoner exchange aspect and the cease-fire taking place and issues related to it. democrats, 202-748-8000. republicans, 202-748-8001. independents, 202-748-8002. text us at 202-748-8003 and you can post on social media. esther day in new hampshire president biden took time to talk about the current state of

the cease-fire, his expectations from it. traveling in vacation to new hampshire for the thanksgiving holiday. he was a portion of the president's remarks. [video clip] pres. biden: today has been the product of hard work. the moment hamas kidnapped these people, my team worked to secure the release. we saw the first result with the release of two american hostages in october followed by the release of two israeli hostages. i have pressed for a pause to accelerate and expand humanitarian assistance going into gaza and to facilitate the release of hostages. over the past several weeks, i spoke with the mayor of qatar, the president of egypt and benjamin netanyahu to secure this deal. i want to thank all three leaders in their partnership to

get this done. i spoke with the mayor and president netanyahu -- prime minister netanyahu to confirm the engagement. today's release is the start of a process. we expect more hostages to be released tomorrow and more the day after that. over the next few days, we expect dozens of hostages will be returned to their families. host: you can see those full comments on c-span. him mentioning the israeli prime minister posted on x saying "we secured the return of our first hostages. each of them is an entire world." going on to say "we are committed to returning all of the hostages. this is one of the aims of the war and we are committed to achieving all of the aims of the war."

commenting on the events of the past couple of days. george starts us off in georgia, democrats line. caller: when i was looking at the whole situation over there in israel and we are talking about they have a lot of -- over there, it is not all hamas's fault. israel has to have some blame. they have the largest prison in the world where they have palestinians locked in there. [indiscernible] the thing we need to do over there is from this time on make sure it is a two state thing. they have those people in prison 50 years. host: what do you think of the

current state of the cease-fire? caller: i think they need to stop fighting over there. israel has all of those tanks in there. host: okay. george in georgia. let's hear from ed in new jersey, independent line. caller: since the beginning of time, the one geological -- geopolitical problem has been wars and the military. the catholic church and conservative present churches and evangelists are hypocrites, they should be against all war. jesus was a pacifist. host: how does this relate to the events of israel and hamas and the current cease-fire? caller: if they did not have a military like costa rica and other nations, this would not be taking place. it is militarism, it is war.

it is people. -- it is people. -- it is evil. host: -- caller: i am glad for the cease-fire. i would like to see more prisoners exchanged. they are only releasing 150 palestinians, i don't quite get. one other side comment i want to make about this is yesterday in new york city there were pro-palestinian protests. they went to the public library and defaced the public library and they glued their hands during the thanksgiving parade. i understand if you want to make your point, there is no point in defacing public property. why are they all wearing masks?

they dress themselves up like hamas who hides their face. if you believe in something, show your face. host: that is sarah in new york talking about the events yesterday during the thanksgiving day parade, the protest took place and the arrest that followed along with that. you can see abc news saying the protesters were demonstrating along 6th avenue when a handful jumped the barricades and ran into the street along 49th street. in a video online, protesters can be seen demonstrating. they chanted. they were holding up palestinian flags that said "genocide then, genocide now." the wall street journal highlights the role qatar is playing in these series of events with the prisoner

exchanges and the current cease-fire. you can find the story online saying it is an improbable role that began to take shape 30 years ago as the small monarchy sought to secure its self by resolving regional disputes while earning the trust and gratitude of the u.s. and western governments. it hosted a military base for two decades and purchased arms from the u.s. and europe. the approach carries peril, it is left open to allegations from neighbors and others that it supports terrorism which it denies. doha opened up a channel with hamas leaders nearly two decades ago which leaders say came at the request of the u.s. and later allowed the u.s. to open -- any office in doha. they fear it could thwart attempts to destroy the group. that is the wall street journal talking about qatar's role. you can weave that into the

current cease-fire going on and prisoner exchanges going on. you can call the lines. 202-748-8000 for democrats. 202-748-8001 for republicans. 202-748-8002 for independents. it was on msnbc yesterday that the israeli advisor to benjamin netanyahu talked about the release of hostages. the cease-fire could be extended. here is a portion of his comments from yesterday. [video clip] >> there are still over 100 in gaza. according to what was negotiated. we have to praise president biden who played a role in making this happen. the next four days, another 37 hostages have to be released and taking the number to 50, that was agreed.

it was also agreed that the humanitarian pause can continue in -- can continue. release additional hostages. negotiated with the help of president biden. we will have an additional day of humanitarian pause for 10 hostages and another day for 10 hostages. this military and pause can stop -- humanitarian pause can stop four days from now or we can extend the military pause with the release of more hostages -- the humanitarian pause with the release of more hostages. host: that is my greg give -- mark regev talking. a post saying not really ideal,

what is the incentive? that said, glad some are negotiating. tom in woodbridge, virginia, republican line. caller: i called in on this issue a couple of times. you have these women talking about these excuses and reasons why hamas went into israel and they had children kidnapped and raped. there are excuses that they are in a prison. i have been studying what people called islamic terrorism all the way since i was a kid when the soviets went into afghanistan, they were bombing. i work in the counterterrorism industry and the intelligence

industry the past 20 years. host: how does that relate to the current state of events? caller: people need to understand that there is no reason for the brutality of what hamas did. because the americans in particular, the last democratic administrations have paid ransoms to get hostages back. all this does does -- all this does is embolden these people to rob, rape, murder. it emboldens them to do it again and again. host: your thoughts on the cease-fire currently? caller: i think there has been a pause in this fighting and i think,'s -- i think hamas realized they would be annihilated if they didn't. there has been this pause in the

hostages are going to be released. i want to agree with the woman who called in before that somehow they get three hostages for everyone. -- every one. i think this is the thing that emboldens them. host: betsy from alfonso in trenton, new jersey -- let's hear from all funds are in, new jersey -- alfonso in trenton, new jersey. caller: hamas was wrong, i don't think they should have done that. look at netanyahu saying the palestinian christian woman murdered by the idf, he is not going to turn over soldiers to face justice. is this what [indiscernible]

it is wrong. i am glad of the cease-fire is happening but both sides have to sit down both sides are guilty -- sit down both sides are guilty. americans should step up for the palestinians. host: that is alfonso giving us his thoughts. looking at the analysis of the cease-fire and president biden's role in it, the washington post writing "he has been under pressure over the bombardment of gaza, especially from the political left. the hostage release not only gives them a chance to declare victory, it offers a respite in the onslaught and the opportunity to say that his early embrace of benjamin netanyahu's. question is how long-lasting it

is -- the question is how long-lasting it is. he acknowledged he does not know the condition of the 10 americans unaccounted for, including whether they are all alive." that is from the washington post on this cease-fire, especially with hostages being exchanged. a viewer saying "peace will hold until the next attack." steve saying "the administration involved in these negotiations, why is it the president cannot offer details? why are americans not part of that deal? our administration is not anything more than mere spectators." you can post on facebook and on x at @cspanwj. taking your calls, democrats,

202-748-8000. republicans, 202-748-8001. independents, 202-748-8002. we will hear from nick. caller: this is not a cause for celebration because israel had to release criminals in order to release a few hostages that were caught on october 7. on october 7, 1400 people were killed, raped, whatever in israel and only 200 hostages. one has to wonder. hamas has publicly declared that they will do what they did on october 7 again and again. they said that publicly. they are monsters. they are not human beings. israel has to react to that.

it was unfortunate they had the cease-fire before they obliterated these monsters with a human face that hamas has. when i hear callers make some moral equivalent that hamas is terrible but netanyahu is not perfect, this is ridiculous. these comments are ridiculous and people should be ashamed if they make them. host: that is nick. the washington post highlights the deal, under those terms that the israeli military will keep forces in place but sees attacks as captives are swapped in small batches. palestinian and qatari officials said -- the transfer of the palestinian prisoners, the reasons for the discrepancy was unclear. three palestinian prisoners are to be released for every hostage freed. that is the summary from the

washington post. day two of this cease-fire and those exchanges taking place. we are asking for your comments on that. north carolina is next, independent line. we will hear from glenn. go ahead. caller: i looked at the history of palestine and i relates to romans gave them that name. i cannot understand why they are called palestinians when it has never been a nation. and why they want a two state solution when they have gaza. they have shown when they get inside israel, they are going to run terrorists. the two state solution doesn't make sense. host: that is glenn in north carolina. michael saying any pause in death and destruction is a step in the right direction. this is a viewer saying good

news is always welcomed. sustainable, it could be if both sides wanted it. darren saying the media talking about how instrumental president biden has been, yet not one american hostage was to be found among them. those are some of the comments from yesterday. there is more from president biden yesterday talking about his outlook, where it is going. this is from yesterday. [video clip] pres. biden: i have encouraged the prime minister to focus on trying to reduce and number of casualties wealthy is attempting to eliminate hamas -- while he is attempting to eliminate hamas. that is a difficult task.

i don't know how long it will take. my expectation is as we move forward, the rest of the arab region is the pressure on all sides, to bring this to an end as quickly as we can. >> [indiscernible] pres. biden: i think the chances are real. >> there are members of your party [indiscernible] pres. biden: i think that is a worthwhile thought. i don't think if i started with that we would have gotten where we are today. we have to take this one piece at a time. host: the full remarks made by the president are available on our website. you can also see them on our app . we will go to peter in florida, republican line.

caller: i want to draw attention to a few statistics about who these terrorists are releasing. 40% of them attempted a terrorist attack, 4% use smalltalk cocktails, 8% were involved in stabbing attacks. who is israel releasing get -- is really getting -- israel getting? five-year-olds. this is not balanced. i think netanyahu knows the left is coming after him and his days are limited as prime minister. they need to rethink if there is anything humanitarian about this. host: let me ask you where you pull your statistics from. caller: i am looking from a mere -- amir's telegram. host: who is he and why do you trust him? caller: he served in the idf and

he is a credible reporter on things in israel. host: this is leola in texas. caller: i think a two state solution would be a good idea. i do not trust the president of israel. i think they are holding american hostages because they went to get more money out of the u.s. -- they want to get more money out of the u.s. i hope the president does not send him more money until all the americans are home. thank you so much. host: the wall street journal highlights that hamas was expected to release a total of 50 hostages over four days in return for the palestinian prisoners from israeli jails. in light of reporting on the current state of the exchange. more expected today.

you had the president talk about that. you can comment on the lines, you can post on x and on facebook. this cease-fire underway between israel and hamas or you contact about the hostage exchange taking place as part of the cease-fire. in wyoming, republican line, tom is next. caller: the only cease-fire that works is a total surrender of enemy forces. host: why do you think the current one doesn't work? let's hear from joshua. dayton, ohio. also on the republican line. caller: i appreciate you taking my call. what real evidence do we have that this is really taking place? host: only the reporting we have seen on all sorts of platforms, newspaper and televised media. caller: i understand that.

from you guys, i don't trust half of the stuff out of there. i have not seen real footage or documentation from our government that any of this is an issue. why is it our issue in the first place? host: what is it to the larger issue of the cease-fire or the exchange? caller: that is what i am saying. whose hostages? i am confused on what hostages. host: that is joshua. one of the interviews that took place yesterday on the topic was the advisor to benjamin ignition who -- to netanyahu. he talked about the ultimate end of the cease-fire, what it means if israel -- when israel decides to revive war with israel -- with hamas. [video clip] >> given that there is a pause

now, that part may go on four days, perhaps longer depending on how the situation unfolds. how do you restart a war? >> i don't think we have a choice. to leave,'s in power in gaza is an invitation for a number -- for another october 7 disaster. hamas said they were due october 7 again and again, given the capability, given the opportunity. they would once again massacred israeli citizens that butcher our people, once again birdhouses, -- once again birdhouses, brave people again -- rape people again. when israel says no more, we mean it. the people of israel refused to live next to this terror enclave. we do not have to live in

permanent fear of terrorists butchering our children in the middle of the night. no one should have to live like that. getting rid of hamas is also good for the people of gaza. hamas has ruled 16 years and what have they brought the people of gaza? pain and suffering and poverty. the people of gaza deserve better. host: that is mark regev. a viewer on facebook, how about israel releasing the political prisoners, stop the occupation and giveback stolen land? carolyn cook saying, why aren't american citizens being released? iran knows that the president will pay millions to get them back. from facebook saying i am hoping the war does not resume after the hostages are exchanged. no one can strike all of their

enemies without creating an equal or greater number of new ones. facebook.com/c-span if you want to post there. the x platform is available to you, too. from texas, this is margaret. hello. caller: good morning to you. i don't want to waste my time. anti-israeli government is not to be anti-jewish. i am an ex-history teacher. i am aware of the persecution since the establishment of christianity in the western world. i am not anti-jewish people but i do have a lot of criticism for the is really government, especially netanyahu. i can imagine him licking his

lips when the terrible thing happened originally. i could see him thinking this gets read of all of the corruption charges against me because the nation will come together against this enemy and i will stay in power. host: how does this relate to the current state of events with the cease-fire and the transfer of prisoners? caller: the current state of events was brought on by the western world. none of the countries would take the jewish refugees in the beginning. they were ready to take arab lands and establish a homeland for the jewish people. host: this will be from candace in tennessee. caller: i am concerned that we

can't all be in this together. everyone was attacked in 2020. that was the whole world, all of our governments tried to calm -- con us out of our immune systems. host: how does that relate to israel and,'s? -- and hamas? caller: the palestinians and the israelis survived the genocide together when their governments tried to con them out of their narrow -- out of their natural human systems. looking at the current events when it comes to israel and hamas, expected more to play out in the next few days. you can see the president's comments on our platform. we will turn the corner and stopped for a pause and invite you to participate in open form. you can comment on what is going

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challenge to president biden saying he would not seek reelection to the house. his announcement as to a list of house members who said this month they are planning to resign or retire. philip spears the reported -- previously reported whether he would run for election, "he is saying a brand of politics that repairs relationships and improves people lives. we have met those moments." echoing for democrats to choose him adding, it is time to pass the torch. he has represented the minneapolis suburbs since 2019. he is a top democrat on the foreign affairs committee and previously served in democratic leadership, stepping down last month.

that adds to the resignations announced the past few weeks. dicken, and on that during our open forum time. there are the numbers. you can choose that route and social media as well. chris and his syracuse, new york -- in syracuse, new york. caller: i am waiting to see where people enough that the real holocaust that happened to the so-called jews actually happened to african-americans. host: robert is in washington, d.c. go ahead. caller: thank you. echoing what the previous caller said, i want to clarify. there were 12 tribes of israel. the 12 tribes are judah, reuben, gad, asher, --

hamas is not against israel, they are against the jews that are there. those are not the real juice. host: that is robert in washington, d.c. add your voice to the mix. you can do that on our social media sites. other aspects, the wall street journal reporting about details. the case against gaza, you can find online saying the israeli military has stepped up efforts to present evidence that a hospital was a command center. seizure of the hospital has heaped pressure on israel in recent days. the israeli military has released a series of videos and photos from the hospital to show further details of a tunnel

uncovered at the site and security camera footage of the hostages brought in the day militants killed more than 1200 people in israel and took more than 200 hostages back to gaza. a spokesman said troops were still inside that hospital searching for hamas's tunnels. the evidence released was just the beginning. "at the end of our search, we will put everything on display for the world to seek." that is from the wall street journal. you can comment on the previous segment when it comes to the cease-fire or at other political news to the mix. jonathan in ohio, republican line on this open form. caller: how do we know that the weapons --

[indiscernible] i don't believe it. host: why not? caller: i don't trust the israelis. i don't trust them because go to meyer supported the apartheid movement. i don't believe it. you can believe it. host: roger is next in new york. republican line in queens, new york. caller: my name is roger. i would like to say -- host: to their -- to clarify, you are democrat. caller: yeah. war is a terrible way to solve problems. my proposal for stability in that area would be given that

israel is backed by other wealthy countries, to set up a two state in the area and pay the palestinians for a fair amount for their land. not to make any judgments. have the u.s., israel, the human -- the united nations, and the powerful states in the east all help the palestinians over the next 25, 50 years set up a government. after getting a fair. -- a fair payment. host: this is frank in yonkers, new york. independent line. caller: my name is frank, i am coming from yonkers -- calling from yonkers.

i am -- about what is going on in our world. there has got to be a way for peace. the israelis have a right to a state. palestinians also deserve a right. i am curious as to why in 1995, -- did a wonderful job when they brought the two leaders, if i can remove the name correctly, and arafat. between then and now, what happened? nothing. i am disappointed in my current president, president biden, who i am going to vote for next? i don't know.

maybe i will stay home. biden is a disappointment. you cannot go to israel and say to them, go ahead and defend yourself. go ahead. do whatever you want, we support you. what about the palestinians? i am really disappointed. host: that is frank in yonkers. this is a viewer off of fabook adding that the palestinians have to have their own land. they havbeen fighting for their own land for thousands of years. someone has to stop this division. u will bid this fight of hamas and their error to civilians. it needs to be a two state solution. that is from our facebook site. pat is next from california, democrats line. caller: citizens united has harmed us a lot. in order for congress to represent the people, we have to do something about citizens

united, even if that is the supreme court at this moment. i believe both parties are getting nowhere and they are harming our country. our country has so many homeless people out there right now surviving with no toilets and no place to go. it is all over. if we had two presidents and they could work together, they could help our country. it is sad these other places have problems with our own country is suffering with veterans on the street unable to have housing, toilets, water. it is ridiculous. we voted twice in california to give our own mammy and tax ourselves -- give our own money and tax ourselves to help the homeless. the governor of california put it in a general fund. those people were on the street. host: michael in pittsburgh,

republican line. caller: i am calling in response to what i believe is the sad state of journalism in this country. which is why i am so thankful for c-span. your criticism for some of the journalist articles and the different sources you bring out are very good. they are not allowed in places such as my own local newspaper in pittsburgh. i think they had a recent article two days ago, tuesday i think it was, articles above the fold and below the fold about the pittsburgh steelers. not to mention on the sports page. with all of the problems our

world has today, that is no place for sports conversation. they have been writing letters to their newspaper because i dared to question some of the elections we had here in pennsylvania, including the last one. too many of the sources are very biased and not talking about things that are so important to the survival of this great country. host: michael in pittsburgh adding his thoughts. alan in wisconsin, independent line. caller: good morning. i just wanted to wish all of your viewers -- be thankful for their needs and do not wish for

their once -- their wants. i wanted to thank you pedro, john, greta, and everyone. host: that is allen in wisconsin. there is a host of people that work on different aspects of this program. some you will see, some you never see. they all work in tandem to bring this program together everyday. we want to thank them, too, as far as their support of us and our support of them. john, you are next up. caller: i support israel. the solution to this whole thing , before you can get to a two state solution, you have to recognize israel's right to exist and then we can go to a two state solution. as long as arabs want to kill

jews, screw a two state solution. we have to recognize israel's right to exist. wiping up hamas, you can wipe out every one of these and five years from now there will be another organization that wants to kill the jews. there will be no peace in this area until arabs recognize israel's right to exist. that is the first thing that has to happen. you can go onto to a two state solution, but the first thing that has to happen is they have to recognize israel's right to exist. host: the associated press reporting this morning that the officer convicted in george floyd's killing was stabbed in prison. the police officer was stabbed by another inmate answers the injured at the federal prison in arizona according to a person familiar with the matter. the attack happened at the

medium security prison that has been plagued by secured relapses. the person was not authorized to discuss details of the attacks. this book to the associated press on the condition of anonymity. an incarcerated person was assaulted around 12:30 local time friday. the performed lifesaving measures before the inmate who it did not name was taken to the hospital for further treatment and evaluation. that is from the associated press. it is open forum if you want to participate on the phone lines and on social media. those are the phone lines right there. you want to choose the one that best represents you. social media sites, that is facebook and x. let's hear from michael in hagerstown, maryland. republican line. caller: i agree with the guy

that the first thing that has to happen is the arab countries have to understand israel's right to exist. they have got remove hamas. the easiest way to do that would be for the arab countries in the area to take the palestinians in for a few years before they can rebuild the area in gaza and so forth. my question to you and the audience, no one has given me a good answer, why want any of the surrounding arab states like egypt or saudi arabia or syria or lebanon, why want any of them take one palestinian in?

they don't want anything to do with the palestinians. what is the reason? because they are radicalized? i would like to have someone give me an answer. host: a viewer fromexas, did not add the name or location, but as a part of a hosta exchange. ", sneeze to these u.s. citizens held hostage -- "hamas needs t release u.s. citizs held hostage. the u.s. needs to keep terrorist elements accountab. we do not want another intelligence failure tt puts american lives at risk." you can texts at 202-748-8003. we ask that you add your name and where you are texting from. you can add that to a host of things. you can follow along on this open forum. franco in chicago, democrat line. caller: i wanted to make two points.

the arabs and jews have been fighting each other pre-christ. i think it is going to go on and on. it -- i am 70 now. i don't know if i will ever see it but i think it would be a great thing. i think it is an impossibility unless stonewalls are built so high that people cannot crawl over them. the second thing i would like to comment on. i know it is money and money is always power. how could trump pay for all of the free press he gets? he seems to be the most radical person i have ever heard with a mouth i cannot believe. what he says to people, what he does to people. but he acts like is insulting. for him to what to attempt to be our president again is a shame on the country and a shame to me. i won't vote for him and i hope

a lot of people don't. host: the washington examiner reporting that in the most extensive public comments since the ethics committee released a report, george santos of new york remained defiant and lashed out at the committee and acknowledged he would likely be expelled from congress. he spoke for three hours about the ethics committee report released november 16 that alleged used funds meant to support his election to make purchases at onlyfans, get botox, and falsified federal elections. "it was designed to smear me and get me out of my seat. it is not a finding of facts. there is more to that story." you can check out representative soto's's comments -- representative santos's comments

on x. go ahead. caller: i am american born, my mother is a palestinian christian refugee. most of my best friends are jewish. i've been to gaza and the west bank and throughout israel. the issue rooted in the holocaust and the devastation of what happened lead the jews of europe to want to find a home. it was not perfect for the palestinians. there could have been monkeys living there and they still would have sought out a homeland. it seems like the palestinians have been nickeled and diamond rather than given a straight 22% of what was left in the west bank and gaza. the palestinian negotiators were quite feckless. in 1993, we had a moment. rabin was assassinated and was

taken over. hamas had already taken over and was trying to sabotage it from the get-go, as well as hezbollah. arafat was too weak to take the extremists and control them. perez was asking arafat to contain suicide bombers and was too late before he did so. hezbollah attacked from the north. perez and the human -- israeli government hit a site full of palestinians and the arabs boycotted perez leading to the netanyahu era. he won by less than half a percent point. i don't want to beat up on the palestinians per se, they were nickeled and dimed. always these little things instead of getting the small amount of the resolution 242.

host: let's hear from jeffrey in kentucky, independent line. caller: i am calling to state that they keep on talking like we have a problem with the jewish people. i don't have a problem with the jewish people, i have the problem with is nation put into place in 1948. i believe it was a land grab. the palestinian people were going through was the same thing the indians went through. it is a land grab. host: josh is next. democrats line. caller: i want to make a couple of quick points. i will be brief.

the u.s. needs to stop sending so much money overseas, especially in the name of war. all we are doing is killing innocent civilians with money that should be used domestically for programs like health insurance for all or food programs. help the homeless, the needy populations. the international criminal court defined apartheid as inhuman acts committed in the context of an institutional regime. that is what israel is. an apartheid state and gaza is a concentration camp. host: a recent story posted yesterday at the hill, you can find it at thehill.com, calling for conditions and aid to israel. saying the battle among democrats over u.s. policy has found a new front in the form of liberal calls -- any new military aid liver to tel aviv. a number of progressives in the

house have warned they would oppose the aid package that fails to apply -- on israel's engagement to palestinians in the wake of hamas's attack, including strikes in gaza that has killed thousands more palestinian citizens -- palestinian civilians. -- they want to withhold new age to the government unless it agrees to new constraints designed to minimize civilian casualties. "the blank check approach must end." the u.s. must make clear that while we are friends with israel, they will -- we cannot be complicit in actions that violate international law and our own sense of decency. that is from the hill. you can find the story that was posted yesterday. let's hear from wayne in ohio. republican line. caller: yes. i am going to make it short.

about the government and stuff, they don't listen to the people. they dodged questions and they don't care about the veterans. today led to their teeth -- they lied through their teeth. i am a veteran. i lost two wives because of two stupid doctors that killed them. i do believe the law states that would be murder. they lied about what they have done. host: reyes is from tampa, florida. caller: i have just one question. why does israel have a right to exist?

these stories are from more than 3000 years ago. they come from one set of people. host: do you care to elaborate? caller: basically, how i see it is that a story told over 3000 years ago about a certain set of -- everybody wants to be the most popular, the most blessed, etc. host: okay. let's hear from lewis in north carolina. democrats line. caller: i am not going to be long. what the gentleman was trying to get to 3000 years ago, when erin made the ark of the covenant, we went across the jordan.

i am one of the 12 tribes of judah. we went with the ark of the covenant. diverse city we went to was jericho. they don't know who was behind the wall of jericho, the palestinians were behind the wall of jericho. we watched around it -- marched around it. that land belongs to israel and israel and the israelites are the ones who are going to obtain every piece of that land. god promised that land. you can leave it, but i guarantee they are going to get the land. the leader being netanyahu, that is a different story. they have all been in some kind of corruption. i don't think god is going to be pleased with netanyahu. you cut off two of my brothers and you were wrong. host: thanks to all who called

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like. c-span, powered by cable. "washington journal," continues. host: on small business saturday we have asked shaundell newsome to join us. thank you for your time. guest: it's my pleasure to be here on small business saturday. host: what are small businesses thinking about when it comes to retail? guest: this is an exciting time for retail business owners. in november and december they see a 20% increase in sales so it's an exciting time for small business retail operations. host: when it comes to the challenges that small businesses face, what are the advantages in your mind compared to other

retail? guest: small businesses have a special connection with the community. yesterday, i was out and about and i like my small business coffee shops and restaurants and we are familiar. in order to enjoy the brush we go to our local places but there full up because they're familiar with the community and everyone is into supporting local businesses. host: i think people would think mom and pop, is that true? guest: to a degree that's pretty much what it is. at the end of the day when you think of mom and pops her mainstream businesses, we go to our local churches, grocery stores, softball and t-ball games. we are a part of the fiber of the community.

this is what a mom and pop is, basically not. i grew up in brooklyn and we go to the local bodega and 30 years later they still know who i am, my mom and siblings. when we think of small businesses that's what we think about. host: for the average small business, how many employees does it take in and what kind of business is being done under the umbrella of a small business? guest: when you look at it from a standpoint. i will use nevada as a baseline so people can understand how big small businesses are. small businesses in nevada make up 99.2% and we employ 32% of the workforce. most of those businesses have less than 50 employees. some have less than 25 employees

that are making a difference in our communities. when you see those numbers everyone believes it's a large corporation but at smaller firms. under 25 employees there making a big impact. host: and you are a small business operator? guest: we have between 12-15 employees at one time but we do a lot of work. i love the fact that were able to contribute to our population and give our young people internships. host: what kind of businesses are you involved in? guest: i have a small business marketing firm. we do a lot of public engagement and involvement. we do the census when it comes around and engagement when it came to covid. during covid we were out on the streets asking people what they need. we asked small businesses what

they need during the infrastructural law we asked them what are the needs of the community and what type of transit and transportation help do they need? we don't get into social media and marketing. i am not trying to be an influencer is much as making an impact on our community. host: if you want to ask our guest about the state of small business on the small business saturday it is (202) 748-8000 four eastern and central and (202) 748-8001 mountain and pacific. if you are a small business owner call (202) 748-8002 or send us a text at (202) 748-8003 . tell us a little bit about the small business for america, how was funded and what you're involved in? guest: we are a nonprofit and one of the things that's really

exciting is that we advocate for those small businesses. we have 80,000 members and we pull them and ask questions. when i started years ago and you probably know the late senator henry reed. he got me involved in politics and he said if you're going to be anything advocate for what you care about. i met a guy who was the founder of the group and when they came to the west coast they enlisted me to become part of this wonderful organization that is making sure small businesses have a seat at the table. during 2009, we struggled with having a voice at the table and we did not know what we did not know but with the emergence of small businesses around the country, we've been able to be a

voice for many of the nation smaller businesses and set on capitol hill and have conversations with congress. host: you talk about your career and what you hear from people if i am a small business owner and you are asking them what help they were looking for, what would they say to you? guest: lower health care costs. we want to be great employers. nationally, we make up half of the employers in this country. but we want to make sure there is equity whenever it comes to tax law, how we are able to operate and access to capital. we want to make sure everything is equitable for smaller firms and we noticed that even during the global pandemic, we found

discrepancies when it came to access to health care, access to capital. the opportunity to help our employees. we are not selfish people, we are selfless as small business owners but it boils down to helping our employees and community. host: are you talking about when ppp loans, who got them in the size of businesses that got them? guest: there's a new york times article i was interviewed when my company, we've been around 17 years. even though we are a mom and pop, a family owned business. we were scratching our heads that we have been small citizens for a long time and we were funded the second round where other larger small businesses

were funded in the first round and we felt that we are right here with our employees so we want to bring them back to work and we knew there was something wrong and it turned out there was something wrong. we should have been funded in the first round. we did get another round and was compliant with the law and all of our employees came back. small business owners after america's great recession after the recent global pandemic, we always have net gains on jobs. we don't lay people off because we know them and we see them in church and our communities so we make sure that when that money comes back to us we don't split it often shares. host: post-pandemic how is the

strength of small businesses are compared to pre-pandemic? guest: we are very strong even with the inflation challenges that does inhibit us in some ways. but we are resilient to. thanks to a lot of the laws that have been passed and minority development agencies that focus on smaller and minority firms. i'm also a veteran. when we talk about how small businesses are funded and taken care of we are very healthy now and we have to give credit to this administration that poured a lot of money not only in federal dollars but in our communities we can see the impact in our communities to help us recover and advance and

grow. host: what was the genesis of small business saturday? guest: small business saturday is about awareness and impact. when you look at how we have helped out larger corporations when it comes to the holidays small business saturday, it's intent is to make sure we focus and hone in on those job creators and employers that are the ones that not only employee people but fuel the economy. we are always putting back into our community. we are donating to local charities. we are helping give out food during the holidays. we are the backbone, the fuel

that ignites the american economy. host: shaundell newsome is joining us the cochair of the group small business for america's future. (202) 748-8000 four central and eastern coast. (202) 748-8001 mountain pacific. caller: good morning and thanks for having me. i am a small business owner and i have five categories. i am a small, woman, disabled, veteran, minority business and breaking into this market is crazy. i opened up my business and petersburg, virginia, retired

military. i said let me go back and see if i can take my skills that i gained through military service and help the economy there. i kept seeing depression and a depressed state and let me see if i can use my skills to revamp the city. i have the intent of creating the business during covid, april 2020. to train the work for us to take on some of those jobs at fort bragg in the local city area. our town had 33,000 with a poverty rate of 21.3%. i spent three years of my money maintaining my brick-and-mortar building to try to help the city

with hopelessness. to help the city with volunteering and education, awareness. small businesses cannot survive until we work with the schools and get the kids trades. these kids, monitoring and population. they had a paul on incarceration rates. did you help provide them decent jobs? host: mr. newsom, go ahead. guest: i teach boots to business

which is a transitional program that will help small business owners like yourself. make sure you reach out to your veteran business outreach center. the small business development centers. when it comes down to being a veteran owned business one thing i always give advice, never lose weight you learn in the military. and stay on top on all of the things that we learned in the traits we acquired in military service. make sure you use that in your business and all of those problems you just announce, find a way to solve those problems by utilizing other small businesses. host: when it comes to small businesses, is that a general approach with brick-and-mortar? guest: we have a

brick-and-mortar but we have an online service and what you find nowadays, a lot of people elect to have online or virtual businesses. which is lower overhead and the lassie to be more flexible. there is a combination that happens in the united states small business is based on the scale of the business or the intent of the business. host: from nicole in columbus ohio. caller: good morning. i wanted to chime in on this great conversation that we are having. i am a small business owner, retired schoolteacher and i have found that it is difficult to

pour into the community when it does not pour back into us. it's hard to get small business aid in ohio because of all the loops it has to go through only to get through the hoops and find there is no money or support at the end. i was hoping you could provide some of your expertise to help me grow my small business. host: when you say hoops, give us an example. caller: progress reports, business analysis for five years. and i am a start up i have been in business since 2018. it's difficult to get money. you come to the appointment only to find there is no money available after you gone through steps 1, 2 and three. i'm in columbus, ohio which is

our capital and i feel there should be some help instead of having us go through this only to find out the money has run out. host: thank you for offering that. guest: one of my cochairs, and zimmerman is in ohio. the small business development centers, typically they have answers to different type of funding. if you are looking for grant funding, when it comes to grants they are designed to solve a problem in the community. if you are an education and there is a challenge in the school system make sure you reach out and look at it from a problem-solving perspective.

if you're looking for capital to grow or build your business that will be alone. -- a loan. if you want to reach out to us we can give you some ideas and resources. host: you mentioned alone in the wall street journal said interest rates above 9% small businesses slammed the brakes. what's the likelihood of getting a loan in these current economic times. guest: loans are all about timing. during the pandemic, when they were giving economic injury and disaster loans. that was when veterans were giving the lowest rates in

history. we are in the same situation. we want to do a capital improvement and now is just not a good time to borrow money. you have to be patient with that and try to maneuver and make it happen with cash and as little credit as possible. being a small business owner for 17 years, the past 3.5 years have been the toughest but there has been a lot of relief help. it's all about timing. host: what is the impact of high interest rates on small business? guest: it's the same impact that it is for everyone. money becomes more expensive. the secret to a profitable business as a small business owner is making sure you can find the cheapest way to access

money when it comes to lending. it's a major impact when the interest rates are high just like investment 101. you buy low and sell high end is the same with loans. host: from philip in new york, a small business owner. guest: my hometown. caller: good morning. my name is philip walker and i am from the local basketball legacy. do you know them sir? about the local basketball? guest: i'm very familiar with it. caller: thank you man. i'm trying to put my teams

together. i am starting out with people who were beeping with each other and i'm bringing them together. we are growing, we got our basketball court approved by the city. but what i am concerned about is, i need this to become something that can become self-sufficient. you think about nike or something of that nature.

and i need help. host: we can leave it there. guest: i grew up in new york city, in bed sty. one of the reasons i became a small business owner is because my father taught me, i didn't understand what he was doing when he bought a brownstone and now i understand it. he became a landlord and taught us how to be self-sufficient. i'm familiar with how we transition into next-generation wealth as i stated. my daughter is the majority owner of our business right now. i have my granddaughter involved. when it comes down to self-sufficiency is a community, you have to explore the opportunities that keep you from depending on others. we shifted from becoming those

who were in need to those who are giving to those in need that was a great transition for my family. i appreciate all you do for your local community. host: we have ralph from omaha, a small business owner. caller: my name is ralph simpson and i am calling to make a statement. one of the biggest issues for small business people is inflation. inflation we are in right now caused by federal spending causes everything to go up. whether it is boilers for my apartment buildings or materials i have to buy. it pushes increases that you have to implement in order to

stay in business. if inflation was less people would not be asking for raises and contractors like plumbers and electricians would not be asking for these increases in the products you buy that have doubled as a result since the pandemic. if the federal government could reduce their spending and quit pushing inflation as fast as they are pushing it it would be of benefit to the small business person. guest: i think what's important is this current administration has made an effort to get ahead of the inflation with the inflation reduction act. i am a veteran and i am a type two diabetic. at one point prescription drugs

were going through the roof. the inflation reduction act was an effort to reduce those type of costs. when you talk about being a contractor, one way to beat inflation is by increasing revenue. when you think of the opportunities with the infrastructure law and billions of dollars that have been poured out across the nation. in our community, is having a great impact on our small and minority mom-and-pop contractors. until inflation can curb itself, with inflation and high interest rates the best thing is to make as much money as you can with these projects and wait it out. host: a republican senator on the floor talking about the

state of small businesses but leveled criticism at the biden administration. i will play what she has to say and get your comment on it. [video clip] >> i heard the story of a gentleman who runs a bus company. he has 38 buses but not all operational. in addition to elevated fuel costs he could find enough drivers, workforce shortages are everywhere and supply chain issues have hampered his ability to conduct maintenance. he says that even when he gets the bus rolling. when we see a bus stopping for food, the driver is met by the

bus in the parking lot who say that there staffing shortages are preventing them for providing service. this is when interaction but it proves the multifaceted challenges created by bide nenomics the handcuffs being placed on business owners preventing them from doing their jobs. sustained high inflation means operating costs are at levels where even if prices were raised business owners can't reinvest into their business. because they are forced to raise prices those costs are passed on to the consumer who continues to make difficult choices about how they spend their money. host: that's one perspective on the state of small business,

what you make of those comments? guest: when it comes to our 80,000 small businesses, they have the same challenges. but they are looking at congress to come up with solutions and they are not saying it's the biden administration that made it happen. as a small business owner, it's a culture shift during the pandemic. in a lot of ways, the administration inherited things and they had to react in a manner with bipartisan legislation that went out to address it. even right now you think about the irs and how the administration has increased the assets by hiring more people.

we were a part of the discussion while we were sitting at the table. for us, that allows us to have more access to people and helps us with operating a business better. we all have workforce issues but it's not about legislation it was about the culture of the employees. we have had employees come to our office and went through the interview process and they decided i'm going to go open my own business or decided that they want different opportunities. it's more about the confidence of the employees rather than legislation. a lot of the legislation that we advocated and worked with the administration on west to help our smaller firms. when you talk about a bus

company with fuel pricing, no-brainer, that's high. but the workforce issue is more about cultural things. we see that turning a corner right now. our employees feel more loyal and it goes back to what can we give our employees to make sure they can stay and live with us? i think the lawmaker could work hard on both sides of the aisle to make sure she helps her constituents and small businesses in her community. host: next we will hear from jay and south carolina. caller: how you doing pedro and shaundell? i'd like to make a statement.

i am currently studying small business administration. we have a family business which is a property management as well. i am very curious to ask you, were trying to increase the value of properties. some of them need maintenance, if there is any help you can provide me. but this is personal, go eagles. guest: a love eagles fans. god bless them. i hope they can win their elusive super bowl. god bless you if you have a family owned business.

those are some of the toughest to manage because of the relationships that we have to keep intact. as far as property management boils down to investment in infrastructure. i will use my own personal property. our brownstone in brooklyn increased when the infrastructure around it grew in the streets were built back up. it makes a big difference. we deal with environmental justice with the department of transportation and i have to give it up to this administration only because the department of transportation has been adamant about environmental justice.

if you are in a neighborhood that is not getting the attention it needs they are adamant in serving those neighborhoods and making them better as far as access to transportation, curbs, lighting systems and making it a complete street project. look out for those things if you are in property management because there's great opportunity there. host: (202) 748-8000 eastern and central, (202) 748-8001 mountain and pacific, (202) 748-8002 for small business owners. congress managed to find a short-term solution to the government running out of money this will be addressed next year but what is the message to congress when it comes to passing a budget and how that impacts my business? guest: a small business owners you have to operate the same thing we operate.

we can't survive or thrive with short-term solutions. imagine if i said i will fund my business through the next 4, 5 months? that's not gonna work. i have to look out for a year, three years. i have to look at what is going to help your business grow. that gives confidence to my employees? . let's pass a long-term budget so we can keep on doing the business of america. it is nerve-racking and makes you anxious when you think about the fact that we were on the verge of not paying their military are not paying our essential services or taking care of the things they keep america going. not having access to small business resources. that is unacceptable as a

country. the greatest country in the world should operate like the greatest business in the world. when you hear about it from our small businesses, that's what were talking about. if they behave the way the same way we do we have to pass a budget in order to make her businesses go and we think the country should be that responsible as well. host: you're listening to shaundell newsome from the group small business for america's future. next is michael. caller: i'm a veteran myself. what i would like to say to young people these days. think about going into the military for six years. look at all the issues you get when you get out. a free college education. you get health care for the rest of your life.

they will help you as a veteran with your small business. on the vw.gov there is a listing of all the jobs available to veterans and a lot of them are small businesses. i think young people should look at the possibility of joining the service and put therefore, six years and then you have everything you need for the rest of your life. it's a good opportunity. get a college education, health care and resources. guest: thank you for your my father served in vietnam i served in desert storm and two children in operation freedom. i take it from a different perspective. i love your perspective but my dad said if working to make the country better and not be bitter because my father went through things as a black male in this

country and he wanted to make this country better by serving it. we look at it from a different perspective. we want to make sure the country becomes better and preserve all of the rights, especially democracy that seems to be on the ballot. we feel that this water charges. i know my dad would be excited to hear to get young people in the military. the benefit is like what you mentioned, early retirement and benefits but the most important thing i would tell young people is go out and serve because he will make this country better and preserve democracy. host: the majority of small businesses are owned by white

business owners. how can you improve the ratio of minority owned businesses? guest: thank you for that question because that's the work i have been putting in for a long time. getting more veteran businesses involved, getting more women owned businesses and minority owned businesses. it is about experience, exposure and access. when you talk about experience, i'm a first generation entrepreneur so i have to be that experience in that platform that my children and grandchildren can build on. when we talk about exposure. not having exposure to opportunities. i was blessed to work for a local small business. they

expose me to a lot of things that open my eyes and help me to elevate into entrepreneurship. when we talk about access. we have access to capital, resources, education. one of the things that is not looked at when it comes to entrepreneurship is the mindset of the entrepreneur and how we can make sure we elevate those entrepreneurs into becoming solid business owners that can build a sustainable model. with minority owned businesses that's very important that we are given the resources and education like the minority business to agencies, the u.s. blocked chambers of commerce. these organizations help elevate and take minority businesses to

the level we need. host: let's hear from tony in texas, a small business owner. caller: thank you sir for having me on to voice my questions. one of my questions is about educating their customers. when a minority person opens a business they become kinfolk places. i get upset with that and they're not even kinfolk. my next one is, the business development center downtown.

we have one located in lamar university and my problem with them, we went to talk to them about getting a grant because we only received one grant after the major hurricane. we got a $5,000 grant. i knew more about developers grandchildren that i learned about what to do to help me. guest: thank you for bringing that question it issues forward. being a black owned business i tell everybody this. you treat every small business the same way.

you are welcome to shop wherever you go on a shot. but for me, i don't ask for a hook up. i don't ask a black-owned business versus a hispanic business for a hook up. i just paid the price they are based on the value and i encourage everybody that is participating, if you don't find the value but if you're discriminating against the business or take advantage of the business, that's not fair. the other thing you talked about when it comes to grants i will give you the same advice i give everyone. when it comes to a grant, and most cases grants are designed to enhance your community or serve a population or do something. we recently got a grant to help

and serve other small businesses. i think that's what they're designed to do in most cases. during the recent pandemic with ppp that was to bring employees back to work and if we were compliant it turns into a grant because the loan was forgiven. i believe access to capital is always an issue when it comes to minority small businesses and we have to address it with future administrations where we have better access to funding. host: our guest website the group small business for america's future.org. thank you for your time and happy holidays to you. guest: thank you pedro and happy holidays to you. host: nr our spotlight on

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yesterday and here's what he had to say. [video clip] >> today has been the product of a lot of work. from the moment hamas kidnapped these people my team has worked around-the-clock to secure the release. we saw the release of two american hostages in october followed by the release of two israeli hostages. i consistently pressed for a pause in the fighting to expand humanitarian assistance into gaza and facilitate release of hostages. i want to think all the leaders for their partnership to get this done. i spoke to sisi, today is the

start of a process. we expect our hostages released tomorrow. over the next few days we expect dozens of hostages will be returned to their families. host: that was from the president's comments yesterdays and you can see that on our website at c-span.org. on open forum will start in indiana on the republican line, jim. caller: good morning, you should tell people to tell their tv off. it is distracting. i have a few comments. first of all, the average person going to the grocery store and thinking biden is doing such a great job because the prices are low.

please look at the size of the product. i just bought cranberry sauce in the can was smaller and the price was a little bit higher. everything is reduced in size just to make the prices look good. you guys need to wake up. the guy we have been office isn't doing a good job. with israel, israel did the same deal with the weight. period with each other. this pause that they are giving for the people they are buying time for hamas. they will just get more weapons from russia. host: that's jim from indiana and he brought up food prices

there's an article from washington journal highlighting the $16 meal from mcdonald's. someone ordered a smoky double pounder and the price cost $16 and he posted his price but his video will it viral after mcdonald's revenue said the post went viral again picking up the article of the expensive meal. they tracked the meme as one of the exaggerated example of financial woes. inflation has been steadily subsiding in the government

reporting. when it comes to food prices. we have carolyn in texas on the democrat line. caller: good morning, i really appreciate this form you have. my problem is with health insurance in texas. i tried to get health insurance back in january 2023 and i could not get health insurance through united because one supervisor said i was covered and then two weeks later another supervisor said i'm not covered. then i placed an application by phone and they told me i would hear something in eight-10 days and eight days later i received a letter saying i could not be covered because i had a disability or end-stage renal disease. how can you put false

information on file? too many mistakes are being made and there is no accountability for anyone. allstate gave a $15,000 claim check even though i had paid the premiums and the check at my address on it. this same with auto insurance they said i had too many accidents but i haven't had one since 2003. president biden had good intentions giving money to federal agencies but we need a watch. the agencies are hiring people hurting seniors. host: have you tried the state

department of insurance? is there a state division that monitors these things? caller: i have tried everything and everybody seems to think it's not a problem. host: that was carolyn in texas and now we have robert in michigan on the independent line. caller: happy post-thanksgiving. i feel bad for your last caller she is right. the insurance companies, they are not right. we need someone to watch them. i have a question here and i know you can answer it because you're not that way. why don't we have an iron dome system for our troops in iraq? we have an expensive iron dome

system in israel. i would be disappointed when i see these missiles coming into our troops in iraq. that goes for ukraine two. there is no iron don't system over there for ukraine and what they're going through. host: that was robert in michigan. let's hear from dave in florida on the democrat sign. caller: i have to laugh when i hear some of these callers to be on your show and how you keep a straight face. a lot of these people are the same one who's hair is on fire

when mexicans cross the border from mexico into texas but is say ok in 1948 for eastern europeans to drop a few hundred thousand eastern european immigrants into palestine. i wonder what they would do if they dropped a few hundred thousand refugees that declared they would start a new government and if they didn't like it they can get out of town or move into an adjacent state or country and keep their mouth shut. the most dangerous and fatal place to be on the planet is a human shield when israel is on another mass murder campaign. netanyahu, they don't give a

dam. they will all hospitals, refugees camps they will slaughter journalists. host: mark greg who mentioned benjamin netanyahu talking about the factors that would factor into the resumption of conflict between israel and hamas. [video clip] > these 13 people are out but there is still over 100 kept in gaza. according to what was negotiated, we have to praise president biden in his role making this happen but over the next days, another 37 hostages have to be released to take the number 250. that was agreed. it is also agreed that the humanitarian pot can continue if

hamas continues to release hostages. this was once again negotiated with the help of president biden , who says we will give an additional day of humanitarian pause for 10 hostages. this humanitarian pause and stop four days from now and we will be back to where one. or we can extend the humanitarian pause by the release of more hostages. host: that interview on msnbc. let's go to mike in new york. democrats line. caller: my concern from watching your show and other things when you talk about the economy, people do not understand what the economy is. you have some guy blaming joe biden for the price of cranberries. he does not control the price of cranberries, gas, anything.

a lot of these companies are gouging. they got into it late. it all started with the oil companies. we are pumping out more oil now than ever to saudi arabia. they are cutting on one end, we are pumping on the other. it costs more to get a barrel of oil out of the ground. you could get any economist or two, i'm partial, -- unpartial, to explain what the economy is and what the resident has control over. host: illinois, republican line. caller: the japanese and the germans. we hired bomb-topia when these mostly wooden structures killed every man, woman, dog, child, anything that moved.

it killed everything. except the city -- set the city ablaze. the fire bomb in germany killed every man, woman, dog, child. what is this about civilians? the germans backed hitler. we killed him. the japanese back --. we killed him. israel is supposed to set back and say you people who have back thomas r innocent, so we will bomb around you. if you hate the jews, just say you hate the jews. do not come up with these wild stories about innocent civilian deaths. host: from kevin in texas, democrats line. caller: hello.

i am calling about joe biden's age. joe biden and donald trump are basically the same age. i do not hear nothing about trump stage. and they are the same age. the difference between joe biden and donald trump is joe biden is honest. when it comes down to two old guys, give me the honest man. host: in miami, florida, republican line. caller: i still am amazed that the media has been able to cover up the 2020 election fraud. and the media continually sets -- says they have had numerous

courts look at it and there was nothing to it, whereas there has never been any real analysis of what happened in georgia, arizona, wisconsin, pennsylvania. the most blatant proof of it is that all of a seven, they stopped counting around 10:00 in the evening. that has never been addressed. night -- the u.s. supreme court, just like they did not face obamacare, they have never had the courage to address this. i wish the media would start looking into what happened. host: roger in florida, independent line. caller: in q4 c-span, -- thank you for c-span, a fair and impartial voice in the chaos going on.

i want to plug for a no labels ticket. the country does not want donald trump or joe biden. a no labels ticket presents an opportunity for half the country for more to select somebody neutral who is not for themselves but rather for the benefit of everyone in the country. to unite the country, we need a no labels ticket. jon huntsman, senator manchin would be a balanced ticket that a lot of people would vote for. people are talking about mitt romney-joe manchin, i do not think people would vote for romney. host: we have a history of third parties. what is different this time around that makes you think they would be elected? caller: this is like no other time in history. this is existential for our country. this chaos has to stop.

we need to get sanity back. jon huntsman-senator manchin would be the answer. a note labels ticket, which is rapidly getting on the ballot in all states. host: do you think they third-party on the ticket would impact as far as the two main candidates? do you think it sways the election to either of those gentlemen? caller: i think if jon huntsman were at the top of the ticket, it would take a lot of votes away from trump. jon huntsman-joe manchin would be a ticket that would take votes from trump and fewer votes from abide -- from joe biden. i think that is the way to go, no labels. that puts joe manchin the top of the ticket in hurts president biden. host: that was roger. one of the things to look out for as the election season comes

up next year. caret in ohio -- karen in ohio, democrats line. caller: i wanted to talk -- the lady was talking about insurance. my mother recently passed, but she had three life insurances. she paid 14 30 years. -- one for 30 years. these people had cancel the policy and did not refund her anything. you will have a lot of insurance companies down here taking money for 30 years and scamming people, sending her letters saying she needed to send more money. she sent more. they canceled all of the life insurance policies. you have people out here who have spent most of their time

scamming elderly people. they put 30 years paying on these policies and they are scamming them. you have nobody who is willing to stand up and address these big corporations. i have to go back and try to figure out this crap. the torture people, do all kinds of things to people. host: the ring from joe in north carolina, republican line. caller: my name is john. host: oh, john. go ahead. caller: donald trump should never be elected again. he has been put in front of judges all year. we cannot elect somebody who cannot stay out of the courtroom for more than six months without an indictment. host: chris is in indiana,

democrats line. . caller: it is amazing to hear everybody's perspective on what is going on in the world and the united states. plain and simple, whoever is elected, democrat or republican, they do not care about the people anymore. you drive around anywhere, any small or big town, if they saw what normal people saw, then they would react differently, but all they are worried about is their own profits. host: when you say she would be normal people -- oh, hung up. mike, colorado, independent line. caller: i want to read from this article. and newborns feeling the burden of the conflict in gaza. most -- casualties have been

women and children. 3026 women, 3070 children have been killed. this is not war. this is genocide. these are bombs backed by american dollars. host: john is next in oregon, republican line. caller: i want to point out one thing. you never say israel had so many people in prison as part of the reason that hamas retaliated. i would like to know why those people were in prison. nobody asks that question, why were those prisoners in prison in israel? what would they have that many people in prison? i am they were not put in prison for jaywalking. host: the to more from president

biden yesterday, addressing the cease-fire cost is exchange -- and the hostage exchange. he made these comments in new hampshire. pres. biden: i have encouraged the prime minister to focus on trying to reduce the number of casualties while he is attempting to eliminate hamas, which is a legitimate objective. that is a difficult task and i do not know how long it will take. my expectation and hope is that as we move forward, the rest of the arab world and in region is also putting pressure on all sides to slow this down, bring this to an end as quickly as we can. i think the chances are will. >> mr. president, there are

members of your party who would like to see conditions -- what is your view on that? pres. biden: i think that it is a worthwhile thought, but i did not think if we started with that he would have gotten to where we are today. host: those comments were made in nantucket, massachusetts, yesterday where the president is vacationing. you can see the full comments at c-span.org or follow on long -- or follow along on our app, c-span now. from buffalo, new york, democrats line, tony. caller: thank you. a couple of points -- one, the problem in washington is we need to take the for-sale sign off the white house.

clearly, whoever earns enough money wins and buys the position. it is time to get rid of the money and stop letting people by their way into the white house. two, everybody complains about the psychopath trump can be. the problem is 47% of this country shares his views. that is all i want to say. thank you for your time and for the opportunity to speak about this. host: brian, minnesota, republican line. caller: good morning. we have got people hammering both people on both sides. the problem is we've got globalists who want to destroy this country and people on the border, we will have something major happening here. i will tell you what is coming. it is coming.

host: ok. russell, south carolina, democrats line, last call on this open forum. caller: pedro, good morning. the judgment said no one knew with the palestinians were in jail for. last night on pbs newshour, they said most were in jail for throwing rocks. host: ok. russell finishing off our open forum. thanks to all who participated. one more segment to go, our spotlight on podcast segment. we welcome back martin di caro, the host of “history as it happens: the podcast," to talk about current events with a historical perspective in mind. that conversation is. ♪ >> avoid the crazy store rush

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was to have more historical thinking in our current discourse. it is important to read newspapers every day, but my idea is to take a step back and offer historical perspectives, rather than just a lot of political opinions. we have enough political podcasts. history matters. it informs our view of what is going on today. who is responsible for what? who is to blame for what? if we look at these really-conflict, the war, there is a deep history people -- hit deep history there. it weighs on people and it matters in ways in which we are not truly aware. think about thanksgiving traditions. how often have you thought about the fact that the pogroms of the time did not eat turkey and no

one called it thanksgiving? how did these traditions evolve? that is what i am trying to accomplish. i saw a meme this morning online. i try to be the anti-twitter on my podcast, but it does apply. it was a quote attributed to some sage of antiquity -- "the opinions of 10,000 men do not matter much if none knows anything about the subject." my guests are historians, scholars, political theorists who spent decades studying and analyzing the subject that i discuss. recently, i have had terrific scholars about the middle eastern history, origins of hamas, the peace process that started in the early 1990's. the person that i had on was a purchase depend in the 19th -- was a participant in the 1990's.

these people can give us perspective to make sense of our current times. it is historical thinking and not so much knee-jerk, partisan thinking. host: some people say history repeats itself or rhymes more than anything. what is your sense of history when it comes to how it informs current events? guest: i do not believe history repeats itself or rhymes. parham marx said that. -- karl marx said that. history rhymes, does not repeat itself. but it does explain how we got to where we are today. there is no straight line in history. nothing is inevitable. plenty of zigs and zags. we get into the israel-hamas, we can apply this idea of what is the purpose of this? don't you want to know where everything came from? is it important, the claims and

counterclaims that were made to the lands of israel in the early 20th century? that is the root of the current crisis. some would say that is ancient. for centuries, jews and arabs have been fighting. not true. this is a modern conflict. we find in the origins in the early 20th century. it means that now we know where this comes from. how are we going to handle this? are the roots legitimate? host: we are talking about israel-hamas and what the key things to look at as far as historical perspective are. guest: in this narrow case -- i would not call it narrow as far as the origins of the moscow -- of hamas go. palestine would be a homeland, not necessarily a state, for the

jewish people. the foundation of the modern state of israel, in 1948, there was a war that took place that year. after david big varian declared dependence for israel, five. states attacked israel. -- five arab states attacked israel. hamas comes along in the 1980's. they were a counter movement, an islamic movement. hamas is an acronym. in arabic, it is young, college-educated, religiously devout palestinians fed up with the secular, nationalist plo. in the 1980's was the first palestinian uprising, the infad ia. it combined palestinian

aspirations for statehood. that first uprising started off peacefully. i remember these images from when i was a teenager of throwing stones at israeli troops. at first, palestinians ordered the use of knives and guns. there were massive demonstrations, boycotts of the israeli economy, general strikes. the intifada of the late 1980's, hamas grows out of that eventually violent movement against the israeli occupation. they grow out of that with an uncompromising view of how to settle the conflict. i mentioned the plo, more secular, more nationalist. they emerge from this uprising in the early 1990's willing to

compromise. arafat recognizes the state of israel, wants to sit down that your number bill clinton, oslo accords. hamas says there can be no compromise. they are jihadis. an islamic movement. they sacrificed the lands of ancient palestine. there can be no negotiating or secession of these lands to the jewish state. the israeli government, they also had an uncompromising view of what would become known as the two state solution. you have hamas, jihadis, there can be no compromise at all over the lands of palestine, clashing with an israeli government that had a non-negotiating stance and it came to the land of the west bank and gaza.

the causes of one of the first intifada was to stop the jewish settlement. host: if you want to ask gas about -- ask our guest questions, it is (202) 748-8000 for democrats, (202) 748-8001 for republicans, independents, (202) 748-8002. what is it mean for today? how has that morphed? guest: this is an enormously complex situation. you are learning from today that hamas is still trying to use violence to accomplish the liberation of their people. they can give themselves a national liberation or resistance movement. the word terrorism gets politicized. some say one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter about what happened on october 7 was terrorism.

hamas was not created as a political party. but it is now a political party, won the elections in 2006, that was followed by the israeli blockade. they are still committed to violence as a solution to what is going on. as their leaders have set, the new york times interviewed hamas's leadership and members as to what we you doing? why would you do this on october 7? there have been outbreaks of violence four or five different times since 2006. this exceeds all of that. they are trying to break the stalemate, break the stalemate, breakout of what has been a moribund effort to achieve palestinian statehood for 2 million gazans in what many consider an open prison. this is brought on horrible

italian nation by israel with 10,000 or 12,000 palestinians killed already. host: elevator, new york, democrats line. -- alexander, new york, democrats line. caller: let a pleasure to have di caro on. to hear people talk about history, amite, you have to hear -- i am like, you have to bring you this podcast. rejecting what israel and the palestinian conflict, problems in the middle east, chile, the cia -- so much to cover, not enough time. guest: thank you. that is very kind of you to say. host: do you have a question? caller: yes. you said that history does not rhyme or repeat itself, but

looking the current politics in this country, the lack of context which people who call into washington journal show, with all of the information and gas -- guests on like you, we are going down this dark road, donald trump calling people for, situations escalating in the is set at where people work into fist fights, argentina as well, i know there is no parallel lines, but where do you see things going with the far right defendants lack of information erratically in a world in which so much information is out there? guest: i did not need to last. anytime anyone asks me to the dixie future, it is difficult. i do not came up -- to predict

the future, it is difficult. i do not know. we have had populist surges in american history that last election cycle or two. they fade. the positions of the insurgents, i mean that metaphorically but what happened on january 6 was pretty bad, those positions get co-opted by the major parties and they fade. it is like a bee sting. hurts for a minute but the guys and you move on. i think the policies we are seeing now are here to stay. there is a cruel nature to it with donald trump calling people vermin. i do not understand why that is tolerated. most people do not like that but enough people are ok with it. donald trump is still the most

influential and powerful republican politician in the country despite everything. but on the other side of that coin, democrats, liberals, whoever who henan's after trump won in 2016, said this is a slide into ashes of an authority -- into fascism. the insert do that if you look at history is you have to offer people something so they will vote for you. we have forgotten our recent history. the rust belt and the forgotten man and woman. if you look at others areas in swing states who voted to move for trump, summit voted for obama or bernie sanders -- some had voted for obama or bernie sanders. the opioid epidemic, industrialization, we missed that. people who were stunned by

donald trump's victory, we overlooked that. people, some of whom had been voting for democrats for a long time, they did not identify as being really political people like you and i living in washington. for the most part, people are not consumed by politics. they are frustrated by the failures of our institution, our institutions' historical failures, the opioid epidemic, nafta, free-trade, the forever wars in afghanistan and iraq. trump's support has solidified into a permanent protest block. caller: actually, the most popular politician in israel right now is donald trump. main street is named after him. all you have got to do his duty to israeli social media to see

how -- to ninja israeli social media to see how popular donald trump is in israel. it was mark twain who sent history does not repeat itself but it rhymes. but every educated marxist nose, -- knows when history repeats itself the first time it is tragedy, the second time farce. it was henry ford who said history is booked. apollyon bonaparte -- napoleon bonaparte said history is a lie agreed upon. here he as truman said the only thing new is the history do not already know. israel was a gift from one english noble man to another. if you go to israel, you will see everything is named dr. rothschild. the first time i ever heard of,

swiss in the new york times and the late 1980's. it was a small story about the fact that the plo consists of christians, marxist, whatever, was running women's health clinics on the west bank. hamas showed up to encircle these clinics and check them down because they claimed there was abortion going on there. was there to protect thomas? -- hamas? the idf. guest: something i did not mention in my long opening bit, hopefully it was coherent, was the fact that israel did facilitate the rise of hamas. it was a counter to the plo. israel did not see hamas initially as a security threat. that changes in the 1990's when

hamas is sending suicide bombers into israel to kill civilians. it also has a way of dissuading palestinian leadership. you asked me the connection to past and present. that is an issue today and a big reason why netanyahu and successive israeli governments have -- the 2006 election, the blockade, where i do not want to call it a truce, but the part of that equation was there would have to be periodic violence. mowing the grass is what israel would call it. the idea was every time hamas accept, we will go in there, take out terrorist leaders. you look at the casualty numbers and outbreaks of violence between israel and hamas, the casualty numbers are always disproportionate, heavier and

the palestinian side because of the use of force by the idf and a packed urban environment. you have to mow the grass. in a while but we will redo this agreement, negotiated through egypt, allow more palestinians to come through gaza. it works. rip before the outbreak of violence, 15,000 palestinians were left to go to work. this arrangement that israel can have security while having to every once in a while though the grass and meanwhile, 2000 palestinians in gaza with a desperate life under this authoritarian regime of hamas, that fell apart october 7. that mission was destroyed on october 7 forever. we might see a months long campaign. israel had months in a diplomatic context, but to

defeat hamas militarily in gaza would take months. host: our guest is martin di caro, host of “history as it happens: the podcast." helped other the post the website? guest: mike -- my episode every tuesday and thursday, newsletter every friday morning. you can sign up for that at historyasithappens.com. host: kyle is from california. go ahead. caller: i was listening to your podcast last night about turkey dinners. he said he would be on at 6:15 this morning. i made sure i got up to call you and thank you. i listen to all your podcast every week. thoroughly enjoy it. we are different on the political spectrum, but i love

the balance and some of the interviews are phenomenal. guest: it is nice of you to say. thank you. happy thanksgiving. i know you have a question, but i am happy that political differences do not make much of a difference to you. i am trying to educate people and set our political biases aside and learn something. caller: i thoroughly love it. you bring up the guys who were talking about russia a couple weeks ago. russia in the middle east, it was fascinating. i learned so much. thank you. no speeches or questions. just wanted to say how much i enjoy it and i keep listening. host: when you talk to historians, do you pick historians who align with you politically or philosophically? or do you differ on those fronts? caller: -- guest: most historians, at least in the american academy, or liberal,

but that is not what i'm trying to do here. i am happy having a conservative or liberal historian on the show. it is not so much that i disagree with people politically. they challenge my view of things which had been incomplete. i am a student of these issues as well. but i am not historian myself. do not want people who are just going to pontificate and advance a political agenda. i am careful about who i bring on the podcast. when they come on the show, they know we are here to ask historical questions, the origins of political events and not political speeches. host: this is steve, missouri, democrats line. caller: thank you for taking my call. my question is israel and the conflict, the billions of dollars. israel is rich.

hamas, palestinians, what do they need the $14 billion for? hamas will not defeat israel like russia would defeat ukraine if we did not support them. guest: that is on a lot of people's minds these days. we have noticed more criticism of israel in mainstream american politics than probably in a generation. war is expensive. that may sound like a glib answer. what is it for? it is for the idf to replenish its stocks of weapons. the u.s. administration has said that israel does not need this money but we will give it to them anyway. people have a right to question what that is, for when. the violence is asymmetrical. hamas will never defeat israel. maybe hamas does not understand

that they do not care. their goal in this attack on 20/ -- 10/7 was to bring down the house. something that came to mind as i listened to the question about what does israel do with the money, one of my recent guests was andrew roberts. he just came out with a book called conflict. when the changes in warfare since 1945 has been counterinsurgency, or state violence against nonstate actors. it is massive violence. we see this all the time -- u.s. in vietnam, u.s. in iraq, soviets in afghanistan, french in algeria and indochina. they are not on the same. israel and hamas have a

different historical relationship than some of the others that i mentioned, like an intimacy, living right on top of each other, whereas france is far away from indochina. this is something i brought up with dirk moses, a historian, scholar of genocide, a recent episode entitled the question of genocide, that word is being thrown around on social need you. people are accusing hamas of genocide on 10/7. some human rights lawyers are questioning what israel is doing. if not genocide, it could be an atrocity or a work crime. dirk moses said look at this in the context i just mentioned. states trying to put down threat to their security defending itself against a persistent threat. that is legitimate. what most -- moses sent has not

been legitimate but -- is the quest for permanent security, which is the sinister and utopian goal that not achievable without enormous amounts of violence. you look at the u.s. response after 9/11. in the moment when we are angry and feeling vengeful for what happened on september 11 and you look at the george w. bush speech that he gave to congress on september 20, 2001. he talks about defeating any and all terrorists, anywhere in the world, as well as the states who friended them. that is a global war against a poorly defined enemy that could go on years. we were in afghanistan for 20 years, iraq about the same. the idea of a global war on terrorism was to eliminate the

possibility of this ever happening again. how are you going to do that without killing large amounts of people? if you listen to the episode about genocide, dirk moses explains permanent security better than i just did. host: you can find that on the website. jacob, new york, independent line. caller: it is great to have someone give input on history. i enjoined the fact that you mentioned intifada. it seems like the news here in the u.s., it -- he mentioned the declaration, 1948. recently, palestinians --

increasingly, palestinians are turning to violence. in the intifada, they were just throwing stones. more serious. guest: in the end, 1000 palestinians were killed by the time the first intifada war owore down, the second intifada, which broke out when the oslo peace process collapsed, was bloodier, from 2000, several years after that. and announced what we are seeing today dwarfs in violence and fatalities. caller: why is here in the u.s., the news media, it seems like they are only taking one side, not looking at facts and the truth? guest: i think he believes it is one-sided in favor of israel. why?

israel has been, since 1948, american friend and ally. i cannot answer for other members of the media. i do think it is changing. you are seeing more of a palestinian perspective because of social media as well, and the iphone and smartphone. people are able to see what is going on. but going back to that first intifada and the violence that workout and resistance to israeli occupation policies, for instance, administrative attention. israel increases that in the 1980's against palestinian activists. these are the years where israel is putting an end to plo's militancy. plo was a violent group during these years. it is not like this is new. when i was a teenager, i remember images and video on the

news of palestinian teenagers throwing stones at israelis. people are aware of this, but as to why, in his view, it is been one-sided in favor of israel. that is difficult to answer. host: what are you interested in history overall? guest: it surprises us all the time. also, i believed a lot of myths as a younger person, did not understand the origins of current day grievances. i think understanding why palestinians feel the way they do without agreeing or justifying anything, but understanding why, makes me happy more clear view of the issue so on my podcast, i can present all sides of the story so people are informed. it is vitally important to be informed as citizens. one way of doing that understanding history.

that is what i am trying to do here. and i think people should still read newspapers, not just history books. host: virginia, john, independent line. caller: i love that historical context you just set out on live tv. it is accurate but one thing you failed to put in is the matter of 948 -- 1948 when one hundred 50,000 palestinians were expelled from their land. this is necessary to understand the palestinian-israeli conflict. i think what a let in the u.s. say to inform ourselves about what actually happened leading up to this conflict, you have 750,000 palestinians who were displaced. they left their belongings,

everything, went to lebanon, jordan, egypt. i think this is vital for us to understand what happened in 1948 and before, although the declarations, mass immigration to palestine. i think americans need to be more informed about what happened in 1948. guest: i -- this is a perfect example of what i just said, trying to understand, without agreeing or justifying, understand why people feel the way they do. that is important when you approach is -- history, not what i think should have happened or wanted to happen according to my modern sensibilities, but what did happen? why are we in this situation?

for jews throughout the world after the holocaust, and for the zionist movement, which goes back to the late 19th century, the creation of israel in 1948 with a massive tramp -- try of. for palestinians, that was a catastrophe. as the caller mentioned, the majority of arabs who'd been living there were driven or fled. some had left because of the civil war between jews and arabs. the jewish military units were better organized, better quipped . the arabs had been militarily, essentially, destroyed in the 1930's. some of them were driven from their homes. as ian lustik mentioned, displacement happens in all

wars. the legacy we are living with today was not that palestinians fled their homes but that they were not allowed back in afterwards. many arabs just trying to get back into israel. israeli authorities believed that they were potentially dangerous to israel's existence. early in the u.n.'s existence, late 1940's, there was a resolution passed that is still on the books that provided the arabs that returned from gaza to live peacefully within the state of israel. this was before the modern two state solution comes around, but the partition of palestine in 1947, this is the yuan resolution to partition palestine, did create on the map and arab and the jewish state. they were not particularly happy with the borders. the arabs boycotted it, the jews said yes. thinking more territory in the

war in 1948. israel was attacked by six arab states. there was a war in 1956, 1967, the yom kippur war of 1973, and other wars in between. while it is important to point out that the palestinian point of view has been elected in mainstream american discourse, remember that israel has been repeatedly attacked by its neighbors over the last 75 years, hamas being the most recent example. host: kathleen, florida, democrats line. caller: i have a two part question. one, why is palestine separated into gaza and the west bank? two, if all palestinians can see

that there are rockets on the next to their housework soldiers coming out of the tunnel next to their grocery store, or doctors see soldiers running around in their hospitals, why do they allow it? they know they're going to get bombed and back. guest: thomas is an authoritarian and violent proof that does not allow political opposition of any kind. two has a second one. the first, why is israel divided? after the 1967 war, a preemptive war by israel but justified because arab states announced they are coming to clobber the jewish states once and for all, they were on the borders of pre-1967 israel, it's nine miles wide at its narrowest point, the

preemptive war israel fought in 1967 to destroy the red army before they could destroy, israel wound up occupying the west bank, gaza, the golan heights, other areas. and parts of jerusalem. those are the two areas i believe israel still occupies as part of the aftermath of the 1967 war. going back to the 1947 partition, you can see the west bank and gaza on that map to answer the question about why it is divided. as the arab state. the jewish state was where we have seen most of israel today. host: pham, columbus, ohio, republican line. sam and ohio, hello? caller: hello. i am shocked that the demonstrations that are broken out in the u.s. violently

against the jewish people. why has it been from antiquity until present time that the jewish people are held either in haines or, at the minimum, -- in hate or, at the minimum, distrust and suspicion? guest: i am not surprised, maybe by the degree of it, but i was not surprised by violence on 10/7, but i think all of us were stunned by the scale of it. the caller is asking about the roots of anti-semitism. not all of it is anti-semitism. i think some people are introduced when they believe palestinians are victims of oppression and they deserve to have their aspirations achieved. they would say we are not anti-semitic but we oppose the policies of the israeli government.

the man asks why for all time? that is the story of anti-semitism. host: one you talked about in the -- domestic issue you talked about in the podcast, biting onyx -- bidenomics. guest: next year's election will not be decided based on the middle east. very rarely do foreign affairs or international events determine the outcome of an american election, maybe into thousand four with the iraq war. but americans are not fighting and dying in ukraine or israel. how does that work? residents are like quarterbacks. they get too much credit when things go well and hope a much blame when things go badly. bidenomics is not catching on. reaganomics, the reaganomics --

the reagan economy was not doing well until the monetary policy on inflation was nipped. inflation came down in 1983. inflation -- there was a sharp recession in 1922. reagan got the in a landslide. thanks look better -- things look better after the horrible end of the 1970's with high inflation and high unemployment. after reagan's first term, things are getting better, but to answer your question, pedro, how does this normally work out for them? if you trust polls at this moment, it it is still early, it is not working out well for president biden. why is that? where is a disconnect between what he says is bidenomics and what average people view as the economy?

we experience the economy differently when we see elevated prices. prices are still elevated. unemployment is low. people have jobs but how many jobs are fulfilling? how many economic problems have resolved when it comes to the lack of universal health care? we have obamacare but not mercil health care. -- but not universal health care. president biden does not have 75 senators, like fdr had to get his programs early. but when biden talks about bidenomics, he talks about the infrastructure bill, the chips act, spilling more semiconductors in the u.s., china. some people equate this with green new deal proposals, credits for clean energy. i do not think average people

relate to that. host: martin di caro is the host and producer of “history as it happens." historyasithappens.com is the website. guest: thank you for letting me talk so much. on my podcast, and let my guests do the talking. host: that is it for today. another edition of washington journal comes your way tomorrow at 7:00 a.m. see you -- -- see you then. ♪