host: good morning everyone it is wednesday, december 6 we begin this morning with the conversation on a test vote in

the senate. a vote on the international aid package for ukraine, israel and taiwan. republicans assist that the package would have to insist changes to immigration policies. do you agree or disagree with these demands? if you say yes it should include changes to border security dial (202) 748-8000, if you say no (202) 748-8001 and border state residents dial-in at (202) 748-8002 you can also text with your city, number and state (202) 748-8003 and on facebook at facebook.com/cspan. front page of the washington times framed it this way capitol hill grid thought rivals ukraine.

republicans demand plan for victory in the democrats say it is a major defeat. chuck schumer of new york urging republican senators to support the supplemental bill that includes aid for ukraine and israel. he would say that republicans would offer the republicans the first amendment to talk about the border. [video clip] >> i will put on the floor of the senate the president's bill. it will have three additions to it but none of them affect ukraine at all. one is the fentanyl that was supported by senators brown and scott. this. the flow of fentanyl coming into the united states.

second we would put in one billion for nonprofit security grants, it was 310 million last year. the amount of damage and desecration has been huge so we need an increase. and a proposal to help with the pacific islands. i will offer the republicans the first amendment on border, immigration and they can put whatever they want. we think there are good proposals that do a lot but if they think it is not enough, i will not interfere with them drawing up an amendment but it will need 60 votes like any amendment. it was the republicans who put

the border on the table. we did not. they have a responsibility if they believe it should be a part of ukraine, let them propose an amendment that can get 60 votes. host: do you agree with him or disagree on this issue of tying border security changes to a two to ukraine and israel. mitch mcconnell insisted that they need to continue ukraine's efforts in fighting russia but recently he said it should be tied to border security changes in the software by the senate majority leader was immediately rejected by mr. mcconnell. here's what he had to say. [video clip] >> nobody on the republican side

has been more enthusiastically supporting of a comprehensive supplemental deal to ukraine, israel and taiwan. we want that to pass. all we're talking about borders, if you don't believe how serious we are i am advocating and i hope our members vote no on the motion to make the point for the final time that we insist on meaningful changes to the border. i designated the lead on this but a number of members have been involved without much success. now is the time to pay attention to our own border.

host: minority leader mitch mcconnell. do you agree or disagree with him? how do you think they should vote? should border security changes be tied to ukraine, israel and taiwan. ? a test vote is taking place in the senate and you can watch our gavel-to-gavel coverage on c-span. thstill unscheduled roll call vote wl be on breaking the filibuster to begin debate on the still unfinished bill. it needs 60 yeahs but it will fall short without

republicans. it will go down in defeat because they say it needs to include changes. you disagree with the republicans on this, tell us why. caller: i disagree. i don't think it should be tied to anything. i think we need to get money to ukraine. i don't mean money, i mean the defenses for them to hold on against putin. it's really important. all of the nato countries are. as far as israel goes, they have so much money i don't know why we should be giving the whole amount to israel that they want.

i think ukraine is very important and i don't believe in tying that up to anything. they need it right away. host: thus the argument the white house has been making. jake sullivan telling reporters that if congress does not pass aid to ukraine the money will run out. here's what he had to say. [video clip] >> beyond what's happening in the region this past weekend there were four attacks against commercial vessels in the southern red sea. three vessels connected to 14 different nations which goes to show you the extent to which this is the source of global concern and a threat to international peace. the uss carney responded to the distress calls and provided

assistance. they detected uavs and took action against those uavs. we cannot assess whether it was a target but the carney took prudent action and taking those down. we have every reason to believe these attacks while these attacks were by the who thieves in yemen were originated by iran. host: on this issue of funding ukraine and how dire it is from a ukrainian official from the institute of peace in washington from the new york times, the

head of the presidential office of ukraine said if congress failed to provide assistance there is a high possibility that ukraine will lose the war. it would be impossible to continue to liberate and win this war. they push back against the u.s. saying they hope to make the last of the aid to last through the winter. ukraine means work ammunition on weapons to turn the tide on the battlefield. southern ukraine has failed to meet its objectives and moscow forces have been going on the offensive in the east. senators have expected that

president zelenskyy would join their briefing to make a personal appeal for more aid but he canceled at the last minute leaving the pitch to officials. the secretary of state, defense secretary behind closed doors with both democrats and republicans. things got heated behind closed doors with republicans blaming democrats with the failure of passing aid to ukraine. no it's the republicans because they insist on the border inclusions. who do you think is right? caller: good morning. host: good morning. caller: this is bill from northcross, georgia. i would like to further this by saying we cannot allow ukraine

to fall. this is going to have to be our top priority. trying to make sure that ukraine has the equipment in the military forces to back ukraine and nato to try and prevent an invasion from russia. i am tired of the republicans trying to play politics with foreign and domestic policies. there are people who i would hate to even have to describe, the republican-led congress. they are not interested in insecurity they just want big tax cuts for the rich.

i think most americans realize that but we have to stay in ukraine. i don't know how president biden can pull it off but is going to have to work hard along with all of our democrat congressman and senators to get a bill passed and continue to help ukraine. host: the president ask of congress, it is at 111 billion dollars that includes money to back ukraine as differences over border policy proved too difficult to resolve. 12 billion to ukraine to keep the government of float with 15 billion for military support and

15 billion for refugees. that's how the money would break down. there is 60 billion in this 111 billion for ukraine. the rest remains for israel, taiwan and other provisions. this is from the washington times, since russia invaded ukraine the u.s. has provided 111 billion to ukraine which is gone directly to the battlefield. including more than 2000 stinkers antiaircraft, artillery rounds, 400,000 mortar rounds, 40,000 artillery rounds and mortar systems, remote anti-mining systems.

you will find what the aid has consisted of. is it money well spent? the western aid has stage-managed pollutants war machine but intelligence officials estimated 50,000 russian troops have been killed since the war began. it has lost more than 11,000 military equipment according to an analysis by the military blog forex. we continue to get your thoughts. should a two ukraine be tied to changes to border security? lowell -- excuse me claire in virginia, you say no. caller: i believe we should have

funding for ukraine and a border security package at the vote should be separate. congress should pass a separate bill. host: that is what you would like to see. all of that separate? caller: you can't negotiate with 435 people. host: this is how the money would break down in this international aid package. 60 billion for ukraine, 13.3 billion for israel, 14 billion in southern border security and 9 billion to humanitarian aid to the gaza strip. republicans are saying we need changes to our immigration policy and they want those changes included in this international aid package.

we are leading you tell the senators how they should vote. doug in new jersey. caller: i think it should be separate. in my opinion, ukraine lost months ago. all the media report outlets have reported on it. this is been over for 2.5, three months. volodymyr zelenskyy is a thai red like putin -- tyrant likr e putin. host: waited to see that? caller: gateway pundit, they say it's a money laundering project

but people are getting rich off of this. they will put this book story out that we have to have troops in ukraine. not really. i think it's wrong. host: joe was in west virginia. caller: absolutely it should be tied to it. our border should be secured first of all and i would tell europe they should be subsidizing this war. if we win in ukraine we will spend five times that amount to rebuild it so let russia have it. host: there is a conversation on capitol hill, the helsinki commission, i bipartisan commission and they are having a hearing at 2:00 p.m. related to

this conversatiouse it's a about using seized russian assets to aid ukraine's defense. they will have this hearing and we will have live coverage at 2:00 eastern on c-span three and on our website. we will also have a boat to end the international aid package. it's not scheduled today but our coverage will begin when the senate gavels and today on c-span2. in kentucky, and, you say no? caller: america's borders should be the first and foremost for our american president.

he has not close our borders and the people need to be rounded up , counted and sent back. we don't have enough money in ukraine and israel needs our fund. host: bobby you say yes? why? caller: i think i got mixed up with the yes and no because i am against giving any more money to ukraine unless we fix our borders. host: no, you got it right. caller: we need to fix our borders. they our number one priority. there are so many people coming into our country illegally and it has to stop. i don't know why the biotin

administration -- biden administration what are we even thinking? it's going to destroy our country. i am so thankful for mike johnson he is the best speaker of the house. he will fight the right battle. host: i'm going to show you what mike johnson had to say. from the wall street journal, there was a bipartisan group of senators working on getting a deal that changes our border security and tying it to this aid package. it seems that they have fallen apart. senate democrats have said they are open to a change to current asylum policy that

would raise the threshold migrants bus pass to claim asylum. senator james lankford dismissed such a change as is sufficient. very few migrants are subject to asylum screenings. they are looking at other options including writing a new requirement that would allow the government to permanently send asylum-seekers to third countries that are deemed safe for them. caller: here is the problem, they are trying to come up with the new policy in the middle of chaos. in order to stop the chaos you need to shut the border down. we have so many illegals in this country we can't keep track of them. christopher wray is saying there

are hundreds of terrorists that come through the border that we can't keep track of. they are right in the way. close the border and let's fix the problem we have now. this is been going on for decades but we cannot just allow people to come in by the thousands every day. this has to stop. host: go ahead finish your thought. caller: when you look at our deficit, this administration has spent trillions mindlessly on things that do not end. i think the goal is to become a socialist country. i think that is what the administration's goal is. host: you did a good job teeing up c-span's coverage of washington over the past few days. this is from the wall street journal illegal crossings have

risen to above 8000 a day. daily numbers have been recorded in migration has become a pressing issue because the migrants have been heading to democratic led cities. mayors and governors of these states in urban cities saying you need to deal with this. you need to deal with this issue. speaker mike johnson of the republican majority in the house has said no on moving forward on international aid. [video clip] >> any national security package has to begin with the security of a murder. -- our own border.

no matter where i am and people are concerned about the southern border. people see what it is doing to our country. it is unconscionable that they would not enforce federal law. we have to affect real quality change at the border and that's necessary to anything we do going forward. we will getting a briefing on ukraine and i told mr. sullivan that there are important questions that must be answered so we can continue with these negotiations including what is the endgame in ukraine when we go home they ask us how can we

be engaged in securing the border of foreign countries if we can't support our own. we are committed to that. the battle is for the border. we do that is our top priority. host: do you agree or disagree with his argument there. we have to take care of our border first before we move on aid to ukraine. the white house has to explain where the white house is on the aid to ukraine. caller: people want to tie these things together have no memory of czechoslovakia and hungary.

russia is a monster whose goal is to return to the dominant worldview they are in such trouble and i just don't understand why people think congress has the ability to deal with multiple issues and one bill ended one package when it took them a month to determine who the leader would be in the republican party. this issue of the border has kept congress divided since 1987. the last time there was a consensus on what to do there under the leadership of president reagan and i am a democrat. to expect our current congress run by democrats in the senate

is expecting too much of them and finally why in the world when putin has proven what his goal is that the cost of whatever it means to his own country. ukraine now, poland next. and other nato countries. we can fight them now with other people's armies or we can face the fact that nato agreement say the first inch taken by russia and other nato countries when we are at the physical world the country. host: you mentioned nato, do you think they have done enough to help ukraine?

the other nato allies? caller: for those who look for the perfect -- simply that's not the reality of it. in the world as dangerous as ours is i would like germany, france, england and others to contribute more but the reality is that if we wait for that and ignore the fact that biotin was able to pull together 31 countries and agreement to stand up against putin. i would like them to see more and that's always the case in the political world. but when i look at the bottom line the enemy is a dangerous

one and he always will be until he is no longer the leader of the country. host: look at these figures put together back in the fall of this year. just to give you an idea of how much aid the u.s. has provided versus other countries. bilateral aid commitments from the top donor countries in the eu, u.s. aid far exceeds that from other countries. here are a few institutions versus the united states in the country breakdown. countries in europe and how much they have provided compared to the united states. now the president is saying we need 60 billion more. republicans are saying that aid needs to be tied to changes in

our border security. michael in chico california, good morning. we lost michael, dennis and hudson, indiana? caller: absolutely you should be tied to the border and it should be tied to an inspector general so we can make sure the biden crime family is not getting kickbacks from one of the most corrupt countries in the world. ukraine is corrupt and joe biden is corrupt. host: you say no to this question. caller: i agree that it should not be tied to border security.

the democrats have had border security bills in 2011 and 2012 in the house refused to take it up. and when donald trump was in office and the republicans had both houses of congress they did nothing on the border. host: do you agree with republicans that the situation of the border needs to be addressed? caller: i agree the situation needs to be addressed but we need comprehensive immigration reform. we need immigrants to do the quality jobs americans are not going to do. host: we will go to new york,

gary, good morning to you. caller: hi, how are you doing? caller: if you don't get control of the situation very soon it will all come back to haunt you and you will be so busy putting out fires over here that you won't be able to put everyone else's fire. host: what do you mean come back to haunt us? caller: a percentage of these people that you have just laid in without any examination are not loyal to this country they are probably here justifying el dorado. they are not here to work their

way up like older immigrants. these people are opportunists. host: a previous color mentioned the possibility of those who want to harm the united states and this was brought up by the fbi testifying yesterday. he said the u.s. is facing a higher threat environment because of the war between israel and hamas. in other tensions across the globe. he said this heightened threat environment includes the southern border. [video clip] >> international threats are rising as a border continues to be broken. i'm concerned we are in an elevated threat environment from foreign terrorist organizations

for a whole host of reasons. in their ability to exploit any point of interests -- entrance. there are discussions about numbers but let's not forget it did not take a big number of people on 9/11 to kill 3000 people. numbers don't tell the whole story and we have seated -- scene attempted terrorist try to cross. host: would you say that right now is the larger threat we face in the nation from international terrorist since 9/11? >> it is higher than it is been in a long time. if you look post october 7, you

have seen a rogues gallery of foreign terrorists. >> october the seventh was devastating to our friends in israel so your testimony is since october 7, the urging to attack america has gone up? >> the threat level has gone up since october 7. host: that was christopher wray you can find the points of interest on our website just to play on the video player. and you will be able to quickly go through his hours of testimony. this is a headline about recent polls that showed half of americans think americans are

spending too much on ukraine aid. that's our conversation this morning. in the senate testimony is expected on ending the filibuster on the international aid package money for ukraine, israel and taiwan. they say it will also include changes to our immigration policy. steve in tennessee let's hear from you. caller: yes ma'am, can you hear me? host: yes i can. caller: no they should not be tied together this thing and ukraine is the most this thing we've got. the people of ukraine are going through the same thing. people are being killed women are being raped.

if russia gets that, they will have control of the grain market. republicans will do whatever putin wants. ever since to and donald trump buddy dyer. we have to do the border thing but ukraine is number one on the list. russia will take over so much. it will drive the price of food up. ukraine is put in russia and its place i think there is no way around it.

we can't let russia have ukraine. host: that was an argument made by the white house this week. jake sullivan at the podium during the briefing saying to republicans -- reporters that anyone who votes against this international aid package and insists on border security be tied to it. as a vote for pruden. making the argument that it is crunch time. the u.s. money for eight ukraine is money -- running out. [video clip] >> on ukraine, without congressional action the

administration will run out of resources by the end of the year to procure more weapons and equipment and provide equipment without impacting our own military readiness. the resources we've provided for ukraine have halted russia's advances and help them achieve significant victories including taking back 50% of the territory and by revitalizing our own industrial base jumpstarting production lines in providing jobs and now it's up to congress they need to support freedom in ukraine as part of the 50 nation coalition or whether congress will ignore the lessons we've learned from history and led putin prevail. we hope congress will make the right choice.

there is no magical pot of funding. we are running out of money and we are nearly out of time. congress has to act now to take up the supplemental request that helps a democratic partner fight against russian aggression. host: that was jake sullivan with that argument from the white house. we are asking you to be part of this debate. if you say yes republicans should insist border permissions are tied to a two ukraine. you heard the white house say that this aid needs to happen now. nick in florida what do you say? caller: i have two comments. with regards to the aid i called in the yes line. but aid to israel should not be

tied but aid to ukraine should be tied. enough with this aid to ukraine. people are calling and that couldn't find ukraine on a map you also have people calling in from oklahoma, tennessee and say that ukraine is a big ally. i don't remember ukraine being an ally in this idea all of a sudden russia is a big, evil place. 40 years ago, 50 years ago the democrats love the soviet union. they loved stalin, khrushchev. when reagan wanted to battle on nuclear missiles and reduce the amount of nuclear missiles all of the democrats was fight ronald reagan.

now russia is an evil empire. someone called in and said that trump and putin got together i have a question ask your callers if trump and putin are so close why didn't he invade? pruden invaded ukraine under the bush administration, under obama and now under biden. he did not make a move while trump was in office? if they were such bodies you think he would've given him the go-ahead. as far as the 18 ukraine is concerned enough with the money going down the pit. hunter biden made enough money they don't need to launder any more money through ukraine. there are a lot of countries they can launder their money through.

and hunter can be a consultant but enough of this. the united states border as a sieve ended tell the border is closed, if all of these people are so good for the economy why are we 24 trillion in debt? host: that was only one? can you make it quick? caller: i would like to say you are absolutely beautiful and i think you look like diane lane. host: from a border state go-ahead joel. caller: i agree with the comments the gentleman made. people talk about trump being and pollutants back pocket,

that's craziness. you don't want talk to an enemy? thus the first thing i want to do. the border is a sieve in the latest proposition as if they really cared. we need more people to help us clerical workers. elections are all the democrats care about. people are being used as pawns. host: we heard your argument and i want to show you what senator mitt romney had to say because

he says that border changes need to happen and they are noting this moderate republican is insisting us well on these border changes. here's what he had to say. [video clip] >> their support for ukraine but there has to be security for our border. yesterday 10,000 people came through to our country at a rate of 3.7 million a year. chuck schumer says we can't negotiate it. that has to be done or there will not be held for ukraine or israel. we have to have the democrats recognize that we stop the open border. republicans are walking out of the briefing because people there are not willing to discuss what it takes to get a deal done. a number of us left.

there is no reason to sit and listen to people how important it is to help israel in ukraine. we know that. there is no bigger supporter to ukraine than mitch mcconnell. the president put border security and the supplemental but the challenges the democrats want people to come into the country in droves illegally in the number is 10,000 a day. that's not something our country can handle. the mayor of new york is worried about it. people in smaller cities, this is overwhelming. we have to secure our border. host: senator mitt romney with concerns about the border.

we have about 10 minutes in this pacific conversation -- specific conversation. mitt romney is featured in the washington post, senate lawmakers with failed vote about ukraine. several republican members walked out of the briefing saying they did not need to hear ukraine needed aid. they know that and they supported but what happened behind closed doors. senator tom cotton raised his voice at chuck schumer who blame them for injecting border policy demands and reported the blame should be on the president. republicans wanted to redirect the briefing to security engaged in the argument.

a group of republicans walked out and protest 30 minutes after the briefing began. marie avenue from westfield, new jersey. what do you say to lawmakers? caller: excuse my voice. i think they should be separate. the most important thing is our border and it should be an enormous amount of money to put our troops on our own borders to deport all people here illegally. the new york post talked about billionaires including authors, bloomberg and kissinger talking about how they would invest in

ukraine and zielinski, we don't know where that is going. as for israel, we are not supposed to be in the war with another country. how can the american public get rid of everybody in washington and put in a new country that cares about our country first. host: david in vancouver, washington. you say yes. caller: it should be together

and a bundle. we should not be wasting money like this. we should be taking care of our own first. we will be paying for our diets for a long time. we don't have the money to aid israel. the money we give to israel will go to kill civilians that we should put a stop to that. my point is let's keep our money here because people need in this country. when we have extra then we can help other people come on help ourselves first. there are lots of homeless on the street and it hurts to watch

them. that is my comment. host: john in maryland. caller: that drawing you show to vera. people need to look at that again. -- that drawing you showed of the europe. they are making all the money in the world. if america would lift all the sanctions people would go back home. they are coming here because there are no jobs and the governments are corrupt. those sanctions help nobody but poor people. nobody will block 3000 miles with children to come across the border. these people listen to the fox

news and they come on here with crazy mess. lindsey graham is the biggest liar, the fbi director. i don't watch sports because i keep my eyes to what the government is really doing. people have been distracted by what is going on. this war that we are paying for right now. we send billions to russia and israel because russia would not allow ukraine -- host: you asked for this chart. this is from the council of foreign relations u.s. foreign aid far exceeds that from other countries put together in the fall of this year.

the president is asking for 51 billion in aid arguing that the current money they have is running out and they need this additional 60 billion in order to help ukraine and without it, russia will win. penny and north carolina, good morning. caller: good morning. i want to start off with the border should not be tied to anything else. the republicans did not do anything under bush, did nothing under obama. if the mexican government, don't they have to have visas to get into mexico? they don't talk about the problems that caused it. we destroyed those countries under iran contra.

they are running from the governments that were overthrown by cartels. of the mexican government does not help us with the border there's not much we can do unless you're going to declare war on mexico. these selection deniers, they do not do anything in good faith. they want to undermine every agency is long as they have plausible deniability. just like the guy who held up all of the military promotions. it was all about abortion but that was not the topic. they want to tie things together that are not germane. you want to back ukraine, afghanistan took our money for 20 years when it came down to it they threw down the guns and

ran. host: you mentioned senator tuberville and this is the washington times, after nearly a year he and says holds on nominees that he says he has no regrets. terry and south dakota. caller: good morning and thank you for taking my call. i am a c-span fan and with the media we have in this country. i have a few thoughts. i think putin is a world criminal. what he is doing to take all the countries back into the soviet union. that's not possible in this day and age. as far as the border, i don't

think we are sustainable. every one of those people will need help of some kind and it takes billions of dollars over the next few years to handle what is happening on the border. i can understand the executive branch allowing this to happen. i am old and i would like my great grandkids come up in a free country that sustainable and right now i don't think what we're doing is sustainable. host: abdul in maryland. caller: good morning how are you? host: what do you think about tying the aid with border

security? caller: i have been in this country for 20 years, i am an immigrant. i have watched the politics going on in this country. the politics are really bad now. it is that is very worse. policies are different from ideology. politicians are using it against the people. border policy is supposed to be policy and now it is political. the people in power right now, democrats.

both of them have been in power for several decades but they never tried to sort that issue. host: many callers have brought that up that there have been bipartisan groups throughout the years in hopes of coming up with what they call comprehensive immigration reform and there has yet to be a proposal that could get to a president's desk for signature. susan is next. caller: good morning thank you for taking my call. host: you bet, we are listening. caller: i was listening to abdul and i think he is spot on. if we don't take care of america

first there will not be any america to take care of ukraine and israel. we are diluting society, 10,000 a day crossing. the babies they have here are becoming american citizens and getting american benefits. we are not taking care of our homeless, veterans, people who fought for us. we have to take care of america and the should not be political anymore. it has to be the survival of the american people. i feel strongly that we are a christian nation. we need to wake up and take care of america. host: we will continue with your thoughts on this issue as well as any other public policy. we will be an open forum and here are the lines on your screen.

plus we get updates from capitol hill. stay with us, we will be right back. ♪

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your first name, city and state at (202) 748-8003 or join us in conversation on facebook.com/c-span or on x @c-span wj. joining us is an immigration reporter with the wall street journal. we've been discussing in our first hour, these negotiations that seem to have fallen apart on capitol hill on the senate side that would tie border security changes to eight for ukraine, israel and taiwan. what exactly did republicans want? what changes to they want in immigration policy? guest: we don't know exactly what it is they want because these negotiations are happening behind closed doors. it's a good sign as far as bipartisan negotiations but some of the things we know is one big

area that we believe republicans were able to find agreement on is the idea of changing the initial standards migrants have to meet when they are claiming asylum. they might say i fear going home and if you're persecution i'm afraid i'll get killed. used to have to clear this low bar for a credible fear. it seems both sides have agreed to raise that standard to tighten it to something called reasonable fear. you have to show more evidence and if you couldn't, you quickly get deported. that doesn't seem to be enough for republicans. they are pretty upset about the fact that there are so many migrants crossing the border every day. 8500 we are seeing. people are quickly being released and not being given that screening, just court dates three years into the future and allowed to live in the country and work because i legally until they meet those dates.

-- quasi-legally. it's a much more difficult situation to detain all these people and democrats have a firm line against detaining families and particular children. it's going to be a pretty tough sticking point for them to get through. host: for the democrat part, going beyond what you talked about, why is that a nonstarter for them? guest: i think democrats feel like major concessions on asylum policy are slamming the door on this commitment we have had since the end of world war ii to refugees. our history is that in the 1930's and 1940's, we turned away many german jews fleeing the holocaust and since then, we and other countries in europe have been dealing with the consequences of that. we tried to decide how to we

decide when someone can and should seek safety? we don't totally get a choice. someone is going to die if we send them home we need to give them a hearing. i think totally getting rid of that is a nonstarter for democrats and it's hard to figure out how to find a middle ground with republicans. they would most likely get rid of that system especially at the border. host: in this international aid package proposed by the white house, there is money for border security. why is that not enough? guest: because republicans basically don't trust the biden administration to use the money as they say they would. they said we've given you money for things like more border patrol agent's and things like that and they've felt like the biden administration has used money instead of detaining people, to actually just release

them more click from border patrol custody. the administration feels one of its big priorities is they didn't want images of chaos with -- i don't know if you remember those pictures of the trump administration of children in cages and the biden administration is prided itself and getting people out very quickly because you have unsafe conditions if they stay longer. it's become a big problem for republicans because they think that's creating an incentive for more people to come. the numbers somewhat bear that out. host: as we talked about in our first hour today, senate majority leader chuck schumer is preparing a test vote and he will put on the floor this international aid package and then he offered to republicans the first amendment, make an offer -- make changes to immigration policy in an amendment and it would make 60 void that she would need 60 votes and they rejected that. do we know the timing of this test vote? guest: we believe it could

happen later today. as you probably discussed, the minority leader and the republicans are totally on board and believe strongly we should send money to ukraine. they are presenting this united front. mcconnell last night said he was urging all republicans to vote against a test bill. host: michelle hackman, immigration policy reporter with the wall street journal. you can follow her reporting on x. thank you very much for the update. guest: thank you. host: we are in open form and you can talk about this immigration to bait with aid to ukraine and israel, taiwan or any other public policy. judy in delaware, independent. caller: hello, how are you doing this morning? host: good morning. caller: the speaker you just had on about trump's kids in cages,

who built those cages? that was obama and he had more kids in there than trump did. people are not fleeing for their lives, they are fling for economic reasons and i just saw on the floor of the senate, a democratic senator say we should and list them into the military. when you have somebody that's not born and raised in america and doesn't do takei like america and has no allegiance to american you are going to go ahead and give them weapons and training, that makes me go, no, i don't think so. we need to kate -- take care of the vets we have. we need to do something about the border. as for ukraine, heard a gentleman earlier saying let the ukrainian soldiers take care of this. they've gone through all their young men. we wiped out their young men.

ukrainian blood is all over ukraine. is that ok? i don't think so. i think we need to go for peace in ukraine. that's my feeling. host: justine onx -- in other news, the new york times reporting that speaker johnson will set a vote on inquiry of the president. that's the headline.

that is the new york times this morning and then there is this headline in the washington times -- more on that in the washington

times. republican line, what is on your mind this morning? caller: i've got two quick things. i want to say something about what you just read. everybody knows they are taking money. the irs agents, that we can put them on their in the border and take care of them just like they are making other people and are you still there? host: yes. caller: when you put them down there to help tend to the border and about abortion, you look at psalms 106: 38. it's about worshiping false idols. it was the me leave -- meeting

people when people were for it. we are accepting the stuff and we are the villains? what's wrong with you? maybe you like pedophiles. host: len in ohio, democratic caller. caller: hi, how are you this morning? host: hi. caller: the only thing i have to say is i'd listen to all the stuff about ukraine and i think we definitely need to help them out. nothing's ever been brought up. they have a product we really need in this country and that's lithium. we don't have it. this is why we are there. i don't know why that is never brought up. if putin has control over lithium, we are screwed. host: edward in jersey city, independent. caller: good morning.

it's been a while, happy holidays. calling in today but to be honest, with the 30 day policy, it's hard to do. i wanted to call in two weeks ago when brian kyl meet of fox news was on with his book. i made it through that but seeing mitt romney this morning in the news about him walking out of the meeting and i thought i can't take it anymore, have to call. i don't trust mitt romney since barack obama's presidency, since his 47% comment. it was like a, that showed me about his character which was hurtful and insensitive. i don't trust him. it shows a look into what type of policy romney would enforce or what type of policy he would be in favor of. in regards to immigration, i live in new jersey.

the hudson river is right here and i'm right across from new york city. my experience with immigration is it's really colorful. mexico is always misrepresented in our conversation about immigration like that's the only country where people migrate from. here you will see many different people recommends it -- represented from the south american countries mexico included. i want to concentrate more on what we don't do. we don't concentrate on white people are fleeing from the area they are fleeing from. we need to concentrate more on that. i don't trust government on the whole now with building fear, humane immigration policy. when they say throw money at the border, there aren't enough progressives for a humane immigration policy. chuck schumer is now offering

amendments and the 60 votes, that's fine. we should handle every issue on its own. i don't fully agree with the government's position on israel, aid to israel as it stands. the palestinian people are dealing with genocide. they are protesting all the time in my city trying to get a cease fire resolution to build support for stopping the genocide of the palestinian people there. host: a lot you put on the table for folks to react to in our conversation this morning. we are in open forum until 10:00 a.m. eastern time. you mentioned progressive democrats on this issue of immigration policy. we will talk with congresswoman nanette barragan on who is the chair of the national hispanic

caucus and she will be joining us this morning "washington journal "washington journal on the" and we will get her thoughts on this debate on capitol hill over trying changes to immigration to aid to israel, ukraine and taiwan. there is going to be a test vote sometime today on the schedule in the senate. our coverage begins when they gavel in on c-span2 and we will bring you gavel-to-gavel coverage as we do every day and you can watch on c-span2, on ror-free mobile app c-span now are on our website, c-span.org. as we heard, the majority leader chuck schumer will bring this international aid package to the floor, over 110 billion dollars, 60 billion of it for ukraine and the rest for israel, taiwan and other provisions. he offered republicans the

chance to offer immigration amendments that was rejected and republican leader mitch mcconnell has urged his colleagues to vote against this international aid package. in other news yesterday, the interim president -- the interim speaker patrick mchenry who served in that post while republicans were debating who should replace kevin mccarthy, he announced yesterday that he would be retiring from congress at the end of his term. he served for 20 years in the u.s. house. isaac in bowie, maryland, democratic caller. caller: good morning thank you you are doing such a great job. my opinion is that the aid package should not be tied to immigration.

the immigration situation is an international law for people to deal with seeking asylum and be processed. the republicans were in power and i believe they would still give israel a despite ukraine is going on the same time. it's politics. they talk about ditching the president because of hunter biden but they are not talking about jared kushner who got 1.5 billion dollars from the qatari's. also the killing of a non-khashoggi. yvonne cut from did business with the chinese. republicans are dividing the united states of america. there are republicans calling for impeachment and they are keeping silent in the same ones,

this will be the front issue for them. there are too many criminal activities. it's a business but they want to make trump president again. host: indiana, republican. caller: good morning. my position is that we shouldn't tie external funding for external ongoing wars to domestic political issues. the reason we support external wars is so that my children and your children and your grandchildren do not have to participate in these horrible pictures we see today. that's the reason we support these countries. that's why they say politics should stop at the water's edge. we want to prevent our sons and grandsons fighting in a future

world war. that's why we don't tie these together. as far as the border, that's an important issue but it's a political issue. the word to the democrats -- if you like donald trump, if you want donald trump as your president, then don't do anything about the border. that's how you come into 2016. we need to stop the open borders and the fentanyl coming into this country. it should not be tied to emergency funding for ongoing wars. as a conservative republican that has voted republican all my life. if the republicans tie up this funding and cause us to lose ukraine to the russians, that's a threat to my children and my grandchildren. i will vote in support of my children and grandchildren.

i'm also going to vote in support of a republic, not a president, not a party. we are a republic. we are not all centered around washington, d.c.. it's not all tied up with the president. if i have to vote for democrats for the future of my children and my grandchildren, i will. host: also happening on capitol hill yesterday, as part of our coverage of the senate, the vice president breaks a senate record for tie-breaking votes. the vp should have ample chances to add to her lead. kamala harris broke the 191 year old record and she already held the record for tie-breaking votes in a single day as well. that was reported from roll call.com.

virginia, independent, go ahead. caller: hi, regarding immigration, i lost my thought there for a second -- we have to decide how many people we want in this country. more people will mean more of everything, more pollution, loss of habitat, you've got to have more infrastructure and you will have to have more buildings. most of our country's mountain and desert in a lot of places you can't grow anything and people tend to be where there is greenery. where there were green fields for growing our food. that's what's happening where i live. the only way to control immigration is the denial of everything. people are not willing to be inhumane but denial of services,

denial of housing, education, health care, jobs, if they don't have that, it will be a deterrent for people coming here. host: as you are talking, cnn has an exclusive interview right now with the homeland security secretary that says -- cities struggled to house large numbers of migrants. we heard senators and a reporter earlier from the wall street journal talk about the daily number -- record number of crossings at the border. senator mitt romney said it was 10000 and others say 8000 or 8500 daily coming across the border. nicholas in maryland, democratic caller. what's on your mind? caller: hi, i am a registered

democrat and a voted democrat in every election that i voted in. i can't imagine what republicans can possibly do to change with my vote. i don't agree with every democratic policy or idea. there is a problem at the border. i think we need to be cognizant of it in terms of policy of immigration reform. i think the asylum policy is probably taken advantage of. i think that's the case probably all over the world. we probably just need to face the reality. that's the main problem. host: keep calling in this morning, we will get your thoughts in open forum on "washington journal," we will go back to calls in a

few minutes but first on capitol hill, congressman don davis joins us, the democrat of north carolina serving his first district, member of the armed services committee and served in the military himself, good morning and thank you for your time. guest: good morning. host: let's begin with the debate we've been talking about all morning. senate republicans saying to their democratic colleagues that any aid to ukraine, israel, taiwan needs to include changes to our immigration policy. if you agree with that, what sort of changes would you like to see? guest: first and foremost, i would say that as we prepare for the holiday season, it's important to remember one of the greatest gifts we have which is democracy. when we look at what's taking place in ukraine, we have to stand with the people of ukraine and not allow couldn't to continue just week cannot allow

putin to continue with his aggression. let's stand up to the terrorist in israel. when we look at the border, i've visited there at the seven southern border and i've great concerns. i believe it's important for us to come up with a package that ultimately prioritizes the american people, the safety of the american people. host: what would you like to see happen then in this debate? do you think democrats would be in support of these changes that republicans are talking about for immigration? guest: when i went to the southern border and spoke with the the border agents. they made clear to me that they still had a need for parts of the wall. it's not surly a wall that they

built along the entire border but they made clear to me that we needed to prioritize staff. they were understaffed and they share fully utilizing technology as a process and screening. i heard loud and clear and saw it firsthand and i believe we need to listen to those who are there day in and day out. we need to trick -- they are managing the situation before us. we look at provisions in hr 2 fundamentally, the framework of hr to i believe should be part of the conversation but i also must be clear that i oppose hr 2 especially e-verify and there are great concerns about what it would do for our farmers, american agriculture.

i am saying all this to say we need to continue to support this and the devil is in the details. host: on ukraine, are you confident that if aid to the country continues that they can win this war against the russians. if so, how do they do that? guest: we have to do everything to preserve democracy with ukraine. i don't know it's a bad investment when you take about 3% of the department of defense budget to cripple nearly 40 percent of putin's military capabilities. to me, that's not a bad investment. if putin continues with this level of aggression and we fail to do anything and we get to the point where we find we have to put boots on the ground, that

will be costly. i would also add that the greatest cost we can ever pay is the price of american lives. host: do you think president biden has done an effective job of explaining the endgame for aid to ukraine? guest: there is a lot of conversations taking place. i believe everyone needs to come to a clear understanding of exactly what this may look like. right now, it may not be perfect but what i would say is we have to be clear that we must support ukraine. we must support israel, we must support democracy. a threat to democracy anywhere at any place in the world is a threat to democracy in the u.s.. host: last month you joined a

majority of republicans voting for standalone bill that included aid to israel and $14.3 billion of aid to israel and the same amount of cuts to irs funding, why? guest: when i put on a uniform, i was glad to serve in the u.s. air force. in other parts of the world, they were putting on their uniform as well. what i did not sign up for was to take my uniform and put it on and take might weapons that i receive the best training in the world and use that weapon against babies, children, women. i was not trained to rate women. i was not trained to pull senior citizens out of a wheelchair. and taken hostage. i was not trained to go to music festival where young people were celebrating and to shoot them dead in cold blood.

we have to be clear, this is not acceptable. this is not even humane when it comes to warfare. i believe we can have concerns about innocent palestinians and the innocent israelis and still push back against these egregious terrorists. i want my constituents know where i stood. this is too egregious and there is a line in the sand. host: a lot of focus on this money for ukraine, border security but there is also some people may not know the issue of the pharma reauthorization bill and that expired in october. tell us why that's important and where it stands. guest: the farm bill is one of the most important pieces of legislation that typically

passes in a bipartisan way for the american people. that deals with how we feed and clothe the american people. as we had thanksgiving, farmers across america said the american people were getting ready to do it again and have a great christmas dinner and for those to celebrate and open up boxes with presents under the tree. the farm bill puts in place the foundation of how we feed and clothe the american people. there are also programs like broadband which are much-needed in rural america. especially in north carolina. housing for seniors, it's a large bill we use to with crop insurance, setting commodity prices, marketing, research. we do it every five years and it's massive. when we found we were running

out of time, it was huge that the farm bill extension during the next september was included in that resolution -- and that continuing resolution. host: don davis, democrat from north carolina, thank you for some of your time this morning. guest: thank you. host: we are in open form and you can respond to what you heard there from the congressman or any other public policy or political issue. michael in richmond, indiana, republican, let's hear from you. caller: yeah, i'm 54 years old and i'm disabled. i just got my letter from social security the other day and i got a two dollar raise for next year. my daughter is 35 and she lives in kentucky. she can't work because when the kids are out of school for the summer or whatever's going on, the job lets her go.

i want to know where these people in washington get off giving her money away to everybody else when our own people are working and need the money here? as far as ukraine goes, when the nazis invaded them, they joined up with them. they joined the ss units and everything else to fight the russians and to be concentration camp guards. host: michael there in indiana. new jersey, democratic caller. caller: good morning. i'm calling about the aid for israel and for ukraine. that's part of our foreign policy as to what countries we aid. basically, i believe that the president should be guiding the

foreign policy of the united states. therefore, giving aid to a domestic problem which is the southern border, it doesn't seem appropriate to me. ukraine is fighting putin. putin was the aggressor there and i think the ukrainians basically are doing a good job at maintaining their country as best they can. tying everything to the southern border is counterproductive. only way it sort of plays is the

republicans use it to get their voters excited and getting them out to the polls. that's not a legitimate goal. it's a political goal. host: dale in indiana, independent. what do you say? caller: i say on the southern border, all these years, the republicans and the democrats have both benefited from the immigrants come republicans want the cheap labor, the democrats go for the vote and that is why all this time the border is still like it is. as far as israel, and all the

women that were killed, raped and babies and all that stuff, why didn't israel, the common population protect their families and stuff when the palestinians attacked first? they don't have any weapons. if real strict gun control ever gets done here, then we could very well be in the same situation. host: we are in open forum and any public policy or political issue that's on your mind, you may have seen this news from liz cheney who's out with a new book and she said she's considering a third-party bid for president in

2024. she was says she will do whatever it takes to stop former president trump from regaining his seat in the white house and you can talk about that this morning. you can also talk about this from the front page of the washington post this morning --

host: we covered that hearing on c-span. this is congresswoman elise stefanik questioning university leaders about their disciplinary process for students who advocate for the murder of jews. [video clip] >> this calling for the genocide of jews violates rules or codes of conduct, yes or no? >> if the speeches into conduct, it can be harassment, yes. >> i am asking specifically calling for the genocide of jews. does that constitute the leading harassment? >> if it is directed and pervasive, it is harassment. >> so the answer is yes. >> it is a context dependent decision. >> that's your testimony today, calling for the genocide of jews depends upon the context? that is not harassment? this is the easiest question to answer yes, ms. mcgill.

is your testimony is that you will not answer yes? yes or no? >> if the speech becomes conduct, it can be harassment, yes. >> you mean committing the act of genocide? the speech is not harassment? this is unacceptable. i will give you one more opportunity for the world to see your answer. does calling for the genocide of jews violate the code of contact when it comes to bullying and harassment, yes or no? >> it can be harassment. >> the answer is yes. and dr.gay, at harvard, does calling for the genocide of jews violate the harvard rules of bullying harassment come yes or no? >> it can be depending on the context. >> what is the context? >> targeted at an individual. >> it's targeted at jewish students, jewish individuals. do you understand your testimony

is dehumanizing them? do you understand that dehumanization is part of antisemitism? i will ask you one more time -- does calling for the genocide of jews violate harvard's rules of bullying and harassment, yes or no? >> anti-semitic rhetoric >> it's anti-semitic rhetoric. >> when it crosses into conduct, it amounts to bullying, harassment, intimidation. that is actionable conduct and we do take action. >> so the answer is yes that calling for the genocide of jews violates harvard code of conduct, correct? >> again, it depends on the context. >> it does not depend on the context. the answer is yes and this is why you should resign. these are unacceptable answers across the board. host: the republican leader, one of the republican leaders in that hearing yesterday.

if you missed any of and you want to see the lawmakers questioning of these university leaders, go to our website, c-span.org. when you hit the video player, the yellow stars will appear and it will give you the key moments from the hearing and you can see the top points of interest on the right side of your screen. you can just click through them to get an idea of what sort of questions were asked and the answers there from those the testified. sabrina in texas, republican, we are in open form, good morning. caller: good morning and i would like to say that it's very refreshing. i think it was mr. davis prior to this? a democrat speaking up and saying that we've got to do something about the border.

i was refreshingly pleased with what he had to say. now, what the american people in the -- if you are not a border state, you do not have any concept really of what we have endured for over 30 years. ever since reagan did the amnesty thing. we have never secured our borders. we are at the point now that this is an invasion of our country. i don't want to be called a racist for saying that. it is an invasion. the people of texas have spent billions upon billions of our own personal tax dollars educating these children for the last 40 years, providing health care for them. host: what do you think should happen? we've been talking about the debates. caller: at this point, we need

to shut the border down. i know that affects trade but that's the only way we are going to get mexico to stand up and take responsibility for allowing all these people to come through their country to get to our country. the second thing is we have to put the national guard, whatever we have to do along the entire length of our border until we can put up a wall. the wall must be finished. every country on this earth has borders and they protect those borders. america should not be any different. host: sounding like she agrees with republicans that any aid to you karen -- with ukraine, taiwan or israel needs to be tied to border policy on the u.s.-mexico border. the presidents international aid

package, $106 billion, 60,000,000,004 ukraine, the washington times notes 14.3 billion for israel, 7.4 billion to defend taiwan and for other u.s. military priorities in the pacific, 13 billion dollars in southern border security funding. there is money in therefore the border. more than 9 billion in humanitarian aid to the gaza strip. the washington times also notes that since russia invaded ukraine in february of 2022, the u.s. has provided ukraine with $111 billion so far in eight. much of the money has gone directly to the ukraine battlefield capabilities including patriot missiles, defense battery, more than 2000 stinger systems, 21 surveillance radars and the list goes on. you can read it in the washington times. all of the military a that has

gone to ukraine. if you're interested in digging into that even more, the council of foreign relations put together some charts on the type of aid the united states has given to ukraine, the different military aid, specific weapons, etc. and you can find it if you go to the council on foreign relations and it shows you how much the u.s. has given versus other countries, our nato allies. jesse in michigan, democratic caller, good morning. caller: hello. host: can you mute your television? caller: just a minute. host: we will listen to you, go ahead. caller: yeah, but got some things i hope you can give me some time to talk about. host: you have to mute the television. caller: i will just bring it all the way down. host: that will be great. caller: how's that?

host: that's better, go ahead. caller: i'm an african-american man. i am 92 years old. i can remember when i was three years old -- i don't call to hear lies and stuff like this. i will be honest about this. what i'm told about how african-americans have been treated in this country -- does the country know that we built this country on the back of slavery? do people know that? don't shut me off. let me talk. this country was built on the back of slaves. we don't talk about that.

i don't forget anything. when you talk about reparations, that happened a long time ago. when you give money to israel, you giving money to ukraine, you haven't talked about reparation. all you talk about is israel. what about anti-black? host: we heard your point. marilyn, independent. caller: the speakers and the television is not synchronized. host: that's why you have to mute your television. caller: i'm calling because for

the 80 israel. for the last 20 years, israeli ideas have gone into the homes of palestinians in the middle of the night and they have removed them, given their homes to the settlers. i cannot believe that this was all done with the blessing of the israeli government and possibly even the knowledge of americans. why are we giving money to israel went right now, they are killing indiscriminately thousands of palestinians? what was hamas to do?

the idea of going into the homes of the palestinians and kill them and give their homes to settlers? this was the hamas response on october 7. host: are you justifying what happened on october 7? caller: i'm not justifying but i'm saying, what could hamas have done? thousands of palestinians have been subjected to being removed from their homes in the middle of the night and being killed. i'm saying, why are we giving money to israel? host: we heard your opinion there. part of this international aid package includes around $14 billion for israel. on the senate tour yesterday, bernie sanders, independent from vermont, came to the floor to

talk in opposition to aid to israel. this is what he had to say. [video clip] >> i do not believe we should be appropriating over $10 billion for the right wing extremist netanyahu government to continue its current military approach. what the netanyahu government is doing is immoral, it is in violation of international law and the united states should not be complicit in those actions. madam president, we are clear that hamas is kirk a corrupt terrorist organization. they have a bite barrick attack against israel on october 7. -- a barbaric attack against israel on october 7. given that, israel has a right to defend itself, but it does not have, in my view, the right to wage all out war against

innocent men, women and children , palestinians who had nothing to do with the hamas attack. host: the senator from vermont, bernie sanders. we are an open form and we can talk about any public policy issue or political one that's on your mind. tom in virginia, republican, good morning. caller: good morning. i want to talk about i guess the death rate in the united states or the increasing number of deaths that are occurring mostly due to covid. i think also due to policy. my issue is that back during the bush administration, the death rate remained relatively stable with only about 5000 additional deaths on average each year over

10 years before obamacare became part of the u.s. policy or i should say, the affordable care act. that's in the united states which went from 2.4 -2.7 million during the bush years. during the six years after the affordable care act came into place, the annual death rose from 2.40 7 million to 2.70 4 million which is is a 270 million increase over six years as compared to the 50,000 during the 10 years which raised the death rate to an average of 45,000 deaths per year increasing as you went along. that was nine times the rate of the bush administration. during that time, it u.s. life expectancy started to go down.

there was discussion at the time and that discussion ended as u.s. life expectancy went down as a new norm. during -- when trump came into office, there was three years of non-covid incidents and during that time, the rate of death decreased dramatically. we went from 2.81 million -2.50 one million in the last of the two years went from -- we were kind of approaching back to the 5000 deaths per year increase. we were approaching that slope again. fortunately, the covid kind of screwed everything up for everyone across the world.

it was a definite increase in the total number of deaths. interestingly, the following year, our total debts increased even more even though we were armed with the vaccine and better medical knowledge about how to deal with it. the third year of covid, the decrease in total debts for the united states did not decrease dramatically. every other country in western europe or economically first world countries essentially had a slight decrease in life expectancy on their primary covid. host: i've given you a lot of time and you need to wrap up. caller: again, as a country, our total life expectancy has been in a steep decline and it's not being addressed by anybody. host: mike in boston, democratic

caller. caller: good morning. host: good morning. caller: i'm just calling to talk about russia. russia is delighted about the chaos on our southern border and the war in israel. it's distracting us from all of the killing that they are doing in ukraine. russia is causing all of these problems there. we have to support ukraine 100%. as far as the border, what i say is there is a short-term and a long-term solution. the short term is we have to control the flow of people

coming across the border. the long-term solution is shouldn't we be investing in central america and south america and building american own factories. let's invest in our neighbors. host: we will leave it at that. the washington times poses the question has this been money well spent? according to the paper the u.s. has spent $111 billion in aid to ukraine, the president asking for an additional $61 billion. analysts saying the western aid has directly damaged vladimir putin's war machine and british intelligence officials estimated 50,000 russian troops and 20,000 mercenary fighters had been killed since the war began.

russia has lost more than 11,000 pieces of military equipment. speaker of the house mike johnson talk to reporters yesterday about the position of republicans in that chamber. many of them opposed to any additional aid to ukraine and he also spoke about this debate over addressing the border. here is what he had to say. [video clip] annie nash -- >> any national security package has to begin with the security of our own border. i have been all across this country and no matter where i am every one of any party or no party is deeply concerned about the open southern border, whether you are in new york city or at south texas, people see what it is doing to our country. it is unconscionable the white house would continue current policies and not enforce federal law.

we passed hr 26 months ago and it has been sitting in the senate collecting dust. we have to affect real policy change at the border and that is a necessary condition to anything we do. we will get a briefing on ukraine today from jake sullivan. i told mr. sullivan very directly that there were important questions that must be answered so we can continue with these negotiations. among those is what is the objective, what is the end game in ukraine? how will we have oversight over the funds, the treasure of american taxpayers. they ask us how can we be engaged in securing the border of foreign countries if we cannot secure our own and that is a question the white house has to help us answer. i've told this to leaders in the senate and i have talked to the white house and i will say it until we are blue in the face. the battle is for the border. we do that first and we will take care of other obligations.

host: that was speaker johnson laying out where house republicans are on this issue of more funding for ukraine. yesterday democratic senator chris murphy, who is leading senate border negotiations for his party called on republicans to compromise. [video clip] >> ultimately you have to have a compromise that gets democratic and republican votes. we know there is a huge number of republicans who will never vote for ukraine aid. if you want to pass a measure with ukraine aid and border policy changes through the senate and the house you need to have just as many if not more democratic votes and republican votes. we have work to do if they are insistent on changing the law in order to save the world from vladimir putin. we can get there but republicans

have to recognize that they cannot simply make demands. host: the republican from oklahoma leading a group in hopes of striking a deal on aid to you rain, israel, and taiwan as well as changes to immigration policy. they were unable to do so so now today a test vote happens, a vote to end the filibuster against president biden international aid package. that as we have told you this morning is unscheduled, but it could happen at some point later today. tune into gavel-to-gavel coverage of the senate on c-span2. patrice in south carolina, republican. caller: thank you for taking my

call. every time i call in i like to remind everybody that the mainstream media is against we the people. people are confused. they have questions. your hosts that you have on do not ever have answers. the only thing i can think of is we are being lied to. there is all of this corruption going on in every time somebody speaks on ukraine being the central hub of activities we get hung up on. i want a host to come on c-span because i am considered c-span is only here to speak with people who are woke and who is asleep.

we need people to come on your show so we can talk to them and ask them questions about what is really going on. nothing seems to be adding up. host: i don't know how often you watch the show but that is what the format is is we have law makers we have journalists, we have other officials, on and they answer your questions and have a conversation with all of you about debates that are happening here in washington, d.c. and across the country. this morning we are an open forum which means you can bring up any public-policy or clinical issue on your mind. we go to michael in michigan. democratic caller. caller: i just have a couple of things. what is all of these people calling in act like they are sending cash to israel and ukraine. they are not sending cash, they are sending bullets and they

have to be made in the united states. it supports a lot of jobs in this country. when it comes to the southern border, what are you going to do about it? they are the biggest hypocrites coming down the pike. let's say what you will do. sounds like we are getting calls from native americans, these people are immigrants. wake up. this country is designed and built around immigrants. host: how do you respond to senators who are saying there is 8000 crossings a day. senator mitt romney said there

was 10,000 in one day. caller: if they can count them one at they turn them into the border patrol? this is 8000 people sneaking in to them. host: does it need to be addressed? caller: yes. what do they want to do? put the army and chewed them with machine guns? that is what republicans would do. they don't have an answer. host: listen to this. this is from the wall street journal. senate democrats have said they are open to a change to current asylum policy that would raise the initial threshold migrants must pass to claim asylum at the border. senator james lankford, the lead republican negotiator, dismissed such a change is insufficient as very few migrants are subject to asylum screenings to begin with. he says the group is looking at

other options including detention space or writing a new requirement into law that would allow the government to permanently send asylum-seekers to countries it deems safer them. that is what republicans would like to see happen to address the flow of illegal crossings on our southern border. he just read what democrats are open to. you have any thoughts on that? caller: their country is not going to take anyone like that. all of these people are immigrants themselves. we need workers. how come it takes two years to get a work permit when you come across the border illegally? because republicans insisted on that. they don't want it secured. this is a good point forgetting votes for them. host: i will move on to minnesota, independent. caller: good morning.

it is a specific question. we have division of power, legislative, judicial, and executive. the speaker of the house is part of the legislative power. what he said the other day about the january 6 video to blur out the faces, doesn't he interfere with the executive power? just a question. i am curious. host: volker in minnesota with those thoughts. we showed you the testimony of fbi director christopher wray on capitol hill before the senate judiciary committee. here is an exchange with senator ted cruz, accusing the fbi

director of fueling political interference into the hunter biden investigation and failing to investigate whether president biden was present during a call his son hunter made to business associates. take a look. [video clip] >> it is not disrespect. you and i have gone round and round on this. every time you are asked the answer is it is an ongoing investigation. the investigation is not ongoing. you have whistleblowers pulling out your not doing the work and you're hiding behind the skirts of the attorney general. the whistleblower also testified the attorney general, when he came before congress lied under oath to this committee. the attorney general testified to this committee in response to my questioning i have pledged not to interfere with the hunter biden investigation knife carried through on that pledge. the irs whistleblowers have

alleged the attorney general lied under oath, a felony. was the attorney general tongue the truth when he said this? we have the chart? we do not have the chart. was the attorney general telling the truth when he said i've pledge not to interfere with the hunter biden investigation and i've carried through? >> i cannot speak to the attorney general's testimony. >> has there been political interference into the investigation into hunter biden and joe biden? >> not that i've experienced. >> for the investigators allowed to investigate whether joe biden was complicit in the corruption. >> there is an ongoing investigation. >> i am asking you about corruption from doj. were they allowed to investigate joe biden or is the whistleblower telling the truth that doj said joe biden is off limits? >> as to what in scope or not scope of the ongoing

investigation i would refer you to special counsel white. that is not me hiding behind anything. that is a long-standing policy that has been in place. >> you have a responsibility to the fbi, not to allow it to be a partisan tool in a partisan weapon. the testimony -- >> i have not and i will not. >> have you opened an investigation into whether the attorney general lied under oath and whether the attorney general obstructed justice? >> i will not go down that road. >> that is the point. nobody thinks you have opened an investigation because you're not willing to. i have known you 30 years. you're not a partisan democrat. you're sitting by while career partisans in your agency allowed to be weaponized. caller: from -- host: from yesterday on the senate side of the capital. you can find it on our website,

c-span.org. fbi director christopher wray testifying before the senate judiciary committee. damien and laurel, maryland. republican. caller: america, i am calling to let you know that the democrats are destroying women sports. the reason they are doing that is because they do not understand the difference between a man and a woman. they think men can compete with women because a man says he is a woman and dresses as a woman and changes his pronouns. women are being hurt, women are losing to men because the democrats cannot tell the difference between a man and a woman. title ix is under assault. if you love your daughters and your granddaughters, protect title ix. men must not be allowed to be in women's locker rooms and they

must not be allowed to compete in women's sports, even though they call themselves a woman. host: that conversation took place on capitol hill yesterday as well. we covered it on c-span. for viewers that are interested, our website, c-span.org come our free mobile app c-span now, you can find that hearing there. our coverage today includes wall street firms, the senate banking committee holds an annual oversight hearing with ceos of goldman sachs, j.p. morgan chase , bank of america and wells fargo. watch it live beginning at 9:30 eastern time on c-span3 online at c-span.org. evelyn in baltimore, democratic caller. caller: good morning. i will say this before i say anything else.

i think what hamas did when they attacked israel on october 7 was terrible. i will put that out there first. i do not think the united states really has freedom of speech because anybody with prominence like a tv host or an athlete or a movie person or a talkshow host, if they say anything about israel, they get shut down. it is almost like any of -- like israel can do anything it wants to do but you cannot say anything because -- 1200 people they killed, which was long -- which was wrong. but they killed 16,000 palestinians, most of them women and children and i am supposed to back that? i will not. you have a nice day. host: evelyn in baltimore. kathy calling from wisconsin,

independent. caller: good morning. i would like to encourage everybody listening to go to congress.gov. i have not called in a while. i would like to agree with the gentleman on title ix. there is a plan. i am not a republican. it is a very comprehensive plan. i think mike johnson is doing a great job and i think you stick to his guns. hr to or nothing. host: you do not think there should be any compromise with democrats on immigration changes? caller: hr-2, if they want to tweak some of it. i read it when they first passed it. it is a solid starting ground.

i encourage anybody to just go read it. host: you would be ok with some compromise? caller: it depends on what it is. just like anything. there are things that should not be compromised. we need to stop this. when we put children in cages, if you think about it one way, would you rather have them where you know where they are that they are not being assaulted, they are not being put into sex rings? we have thousands of children that came across this border but we do not know where they are. it is a shame. title ix, they will base free lunch and low income on gender policies? every child should have free access to food. when they are in school.

that is why we pay our taxes. host: kathy's thoughts in wisconsin talking about hr-2. he has read the bill. you can go to congress.gov and find the provisions there. this is from forbes reporting. the controversial measures in the house border bill, including the most significant provisions of the secure the border act in the ukraine bill would likely kill aid to ukraine. that might be a primary motivation among some house republicans to connect the two measures along with focusing media and political attention on border issues. the most controversial provisions include mandatory nationwide e-verify, narrowing the scope of asylum and ending its availability for preventing the federal government from using parole programs such as those for afghans and ukrainians and mandating the building of trump border wall, including

seizing private property to do it. those are some of the provisions in hr 2, and forbes arguing republicans may want to tie this bill to ukraine funding because there are many that are opposed to anymore ukraine funding. as you heard senator murphy say come any compromise or aid package that includes changes to immigration policy would have to get democratic votes. they're not enough republicans in the house that would support anymore aid to ukraine. robert in south carolina, republican. go ahead. caller: good morning. i am a conservative and i am a social studies teacher. i want to respond to senator sanders remarks he said earlier

about israel. i agree with him up to the point where he said he is not in favor of the idf targeting women and children. i do not believe at all that the idf targets them. i believe the terrorists use them by gunpoint to sleep near them and to be in their area commend i do not hear this point ever made on any mainstream media. i believe they are being forced. whenever these bombs going to these targets there like this is damage. i just want to make that point. host: susan in michigan on the democratic caller. caller: good morning. can you hear me? great. what happened on october 7 was pure evil. hamas, they are brutal

terrorists. so is benjamin netanyahu. we are chasing these people around their country bombing them and they are like tokens. i think it makes us look bad on the world stage to blindly support net yahoo!. i think he is an awful person -- to blindly support benjamin netanyahu. i think he is an awful person. i think he wants to stay in power. what he is doing makes no sense. i think it makes us look bad. china is watching. what will we say when china attacks taiwan? we have to think twice about who we are supporting. with the border, we are smart people. let's think about why these people are coming here and maybe work with those countries. we do need immigrants.

talk to the growers in florida. the republicans speak out of both sides of their mouths. that is all i have to say. thank you for listening. host: susan in michigan. the previous caller mentioned speaker johnson's release of additional security footage from the january 6 attack on the u.s. capitol. here he is talking about it with reporters. [video clip] >> we want the american people to draw their room conclusions. i do not think partisan elected official should present a narrative and think it should be seen as the ultimate truth when we know they hid certain elements. the release of the january 6 tapes was a critical exercise. we want transparency. we trust -- house republicans trust the american people to draw their own conclusions. they should not be dictated by a narrative. they should review the tapes themselves. we are going through a methodical process of releasing

them. we have to blur some of the faces. we do not want them to be retaliated against. and be charged by the doj and to have other concerns and problems. today is a slow process. we are working steadily on it. all of those tapes will be out so everybody can see them and draw their own conclusions. host: the speaker talking about the release of january 6 footage. marcia in sarasota, florida. caller: good morning. i have voted both ways in my life but the way this country is going is unbelievable. there are some a topics i would like to touch. the border, democrats by the end of bidens terms there will be 10 million illegals that have walked across this border that we do not know where they are

and who they are. they are military age men constantly walking across. biden want the money, deemed once to process them more quickly, not deal with them correctly. israel and palestine, people keep going on about the palestinians being innocent, they have been taught since 2005 to hate israel. if you notice during the tapes they showed where the girl was in the back of that truck after being horribly mistreated, people were spitting on her and cussing at her and sharing it on. those were palestinians. on ukraine, zelinski used to be a comedian, he was in a band, he used to play the piano with his private parts and he just bought a $75 million yacht. he was a comedian. he does not have money.

that is our money. it is infuriating what is happening. host: david in florida. republican. caller: israel is the only real friend we have in the middle east. all of the other countries are not really our friends. i would like to talk about those rockets hamas has been shooting over israel. hamas places those rocket launchers next to homes and mosques and hospitals come anywhere there is people. when that rocket leaves that launcher, it leaves a forwarding address to the israeli military and they respond by firing back at that position with their rockets. if there are any people living there, they will get killed. hamas knows this and hamas once

exactly that to happen. host: david in florida. more of your calls coming up. before we go back to them we will go to capitol hill. joining us is congresswoman nanette barragan on. policy changes on aid to ukraine, israel, and taiwan. what immigration changes could you agree to? guest: i think is a mistake to tie this foreign aid -- our allies in israel need the dollars. they have been a great ally. that should've been something we've should've immediately done clean. ukraine is a democracy, a friend

and we have to make sure we win in this fight against putin in russia. those are foreign aid and though should've been together. to lump in anything domestic, border security, immigration changes, that is a different conversation. democrats are all for making sure the border is secure. we need to make sure we have more capacity at the southern border to process people. more legal pathways like we saw through parole, something republicans are trying to eliminate. our republican colleagues do not want to fix anything of the southern border. the more chaos that happens there, the more disorderly stop that is what they want. that is what they are campaigning on. we are a nation of immigrants. immigrants are adding spending power to the economy, paying taxes, and we need the workers. we need to do a better job of

making sure cities are getting the resources they need, that something that is currently in the supplemental, but something the hispanic caucus has been advocating for is to increase funding to be able to deal with the migrants that are coming in. there are lots of things we do need to do, but what republicans are tried to do is not that focused. host: there is a test vote in the senate today on this international aid package. it is just the money for ukraine, israel, and taiwan. it appears it will fail. it will not get the 60 votes it needed because republicans will be voting against it, insisting on changes to immigration. without that included it does not look like an international aid package can get through congress. if there is a deal in the senate that includes changes to immigration policy and in

separate to the house, it seems you need house democrats like yourself and your caucus to vote for it. would you agree to this proposal by senate democrats? they said they are open to a change to current asylum policy that would raise the initial threshold migrants must pass to claim asylum at the border. would you agree to that? caller: no. -- guest: no. we will not negotiate and make immigrants political bonds. what we are talking about is republicans willing to hold democracy hostage. our allies the need the eight are democracies, whether it is ukraine, whether it is israel. now they are continuing their extension of an assault on democracy by not supporting our allies and they are using migrants and the southern border as a political pawn. that is wrong. that would be an entirely different conversation we should

be having about comprehensive immigration reform, something the house failed to want to do, to be serious on coming to the table. there are a handful of folks we are talking to behind the scenes to see what we can come to an agreement on on a larger immigration bill across the aisle. those are long-term conversations and right now but we are seeing happening in the senate is holding aid hostage because of the need and the want to end asylum as we know it, end parole. parole has been what is used to help migrants into this country, whether it was those fleeing afghanistan, whether it was ukrainians, whether it was jews during persecution, this is the necessarily tool for orderly migrations and republicans want to end it. that will show where they are on immigration and not trying to

fix the problem. host: if a deal could be struck in the senate on aid to these countries and border security provisions, if it came to the house, with the hispanic caucus vote against it? guest: guest: it depends on what is in it. we support making sure there is capacity of the ports of entry, making sure there is funding in dollars to fix the backlog on visas and family visas, making sure we are investing in migration support centers in other countries. there are other things. there are dollars we support to make sure we are combating fentanyl and the drugs from coming over. these are things democrats have supported even in the last budget. we were the ones to port more agents of the southern border. we were the ones to put money to combat the drugs coming over from ports of entry and technology.

things my republican colleagues have voted against. are there things we support? absolutely. what republicans in the senate are asking for is something that absolutely should not be on the negotiating table and that is changes to immigration policy, a completely different conversation. we are going to oppose efforts to end asylum as we know it. we will oppose efforts to end parole as we know it. we will oppose efforts to create transit bands, to reinstitute the trump -- that failed to go. there are studies that have shown there were more crossings during these times because of those policies. it did not help. we have seen the decrease in crossings when we saw more legal pathways the biden administration has implemented.

let's focus on the solution and not making things worse. host: you think the president has done an adequate job of addressing the needs of cities and states where they are seeing the surge of these migrants coming to their areas for shelter, for jobs? guest: this administration was handcuffed from the beginning by a prior immigration that left a broken immigration system. at that level congress needs to allocate the money for ssp which is going to the cities. there is not enough of it. what is even included in the supplemental is insufficient. this is something the congressional hispanic caucus has been pushing. we should be putting at least $10 billion to make sure cities have enough money to deal with the migrants. let's not forget there are employers and businesses that need workers. there is an opportunity here to do the right thing, to make sure

we are opening our migrants with open arms, that there is a process in place in the administration is doing the best it can giving that congress is unwilling to pass immigration reform and right unwilling to give them the supplemental they need to get the money to the cities. host: congresswoman the net beauregard, -- the net beauregard -- now back to all of you. you heard what the congresswoman has to say. we will get your reaction on "the washington journal." nick in connecticut. emme craddock caller. -- democratic caller. caller: i have been listening. as far as speaker johnson, he

spoke at the insurrection at any event. to blur out faces of insurrectionists so the doj cannot make any more arrests, if the fbi did not have those videos i would call that borderline obstruction. he is a trump supporter. probably gets his instructions from the former president, twice impeached, to cause chaos with the funding with the ukraine. that is what trump is all about, chaos. the border has been an issue for more than 20 years, both republican and democrat administrations. for republicans, it is just a

ploy to get votes. they want to scare the people and do nothing about it afterwards. it is just a vote ploy. caller: bernard -- host: bernard in california. independent. caller: nonpartisan voter. i love this show. greta, i learned so much from you. you are like my professor. one thing i've heard come on fox news they did a fact check on donald trump, him saying the election was stolen. they actually said on fox news that was not true. that that was a lie. i just about fell out. i cannot believe it. i hear this stuff about the border.

the southern border is not the only border -- i am curious. is it because those people vote conservative? we have people overstaying their visa. nobody complaining about that. if you will do something about border control and all of that, it should be all around. overstaying your visa, florida waterways coming from cuba, all of the borders, not just the

southern border. that seems like a political thing. host: built in hendersonville, tennessee, republican. we are in open forum. caller: i will be kind. i've been so angry listening to all of the lies. i heard you allow a democrat from maryland who promoted genocide of the jewish people on this network. i heard a black man say slaves built the country. i used to call and talk to brian lamb. i have a journalism degree. i used to be angry but now i am not. the democrats are lying so much that it just exposes who they are. they hate israel, they hate america.

the hispanic caucus, it is amazing you have a woman saying all of the things she said, all of the lies. they are attacking trump. there is never any truth. what it you do a show on c-span about january 6 and tell the truth? why would they hold 10,000 hours of videotape away from the truth? from the people? you see the testimony of the fbi director yesterday. he is a total liar. our country is gone. we have allowed it to happen. i am sorry for c-span. i know you have to listen to these things and you have to go because every media source, like i told brian lamb, if there were 10,000 sources of media that came on the line they would all be democrats. i am sorry. keep doing what you're doing. at least you let me on. thank you.

host: more calls coming up on the washington journal. before we get to them, we will go back to capitol hill. congressman anthony d esposito is joining us, republican of new york. thank you. we always appreciate your time. let's begin with the speakers demand that any additional aid to ukraine be tied to border security funding and specifically hr-2, the house border bill. do you agree with him? guest: i have been a supporter of ukraine eight since i got here in january. i think the time has come where we need to have an understanding of what the money is being used for and where it is being spent. we need to hold those funds accountable. we often say congress is giving funding here and there. it is not congress given the funding, it the american taxpayer money we are sending to

foreign entities and they deserve and they should expect to know where that money is being used. we have our border we need to secure. i am fully supportive of taking care of our allies. we have come to a point where we need to secure our borders and it is clear the other side of the aisle, as well as the senate -- we sent hr-2 two chuck schumer in the senate 180 days ago and it is collecting dust. day after day we watch live accounts, we watch videos, we see social media, we hear from individuals whose lives are being ruined with people illegally crossing this border. look at my home state of new york. you have a democratic governor who has said we cannot take anymore migrants. we have the mayor of new york city who has basically said this is ridiculous and it is going to destroy the city of new york and become a circular firing squad.

we need to secure the border. house republicans did that 180 days ago when we pass a secure the border act which is doubt the senate collecting dust. host: forbes magazine says including the most significant provisions of the secure the border act in the ukraine bill would likely kill aid to ukraine. that might be a primary motivation, they write, among house republicans to connect the measures. there are some in your conference who do not want to approve anymore aid to ukraine and this is a way to kill it. guest: that is true. there are individuals in the conference who feel there should be no more funding to ukraine. that does not mean this is being done to kill future aid. if we want to help another border we should be securing our own. host: jake sullivan national

security advisor for the president made this argument. i will have you respond. [video clip] >> on ukraine the omb director sent a letter to congressional leaders explaining that without congressional action, the administration will run out of resources by the end of the year to procure more weapons and equipments for ukraine and to provide equipment from u.s. military stops bang without impacting our own military readiness. the resources congress has provided for ukraine and other national security needs have halted russia advances in ukraine and help ukraine achieve significant military victories, including taking back more than 50% of the territory russia had previously occupied and by revitalizing our own defense industrial base, expanding production lines and supporting good paying jobs across the country. now it is up to congress. congress has to decide whether to continue to support the fight for freedom in ukraine as part

of the 50 nation coalition president biden has built, or whether congress will ignore the lessons we've learned from history and let vladimir putin prevail. it is that starts a choice and we hope congress will make the right choice. there is no magical pots of funding available to meet this moment. as director young said we are running out of money and we are out of time. congress has to ask now to take up the president supplemental request which advances our own national security and helps a democratic partner in ukraine fight against russian aggression. host: time is running out according to the white house. are you risking allowing vladimir putin to prevail? guest: there is no question that russia is a threat. it is the height of hypocrisy and almost comical for joe biden's administration to say we have been ignoring anything. there are bills on the senate desk that his party controls

that they have been ignoring for almost 180 days. it is clear vladimir putin is a threat. in the past we have help ukraine. we want to help ukraine again. we want to know where the money is being spent. we want a plan for ukraine as to what their plan is going forward. we cannot continue to keep sending money to foreign countries without accountability of how the money is being spent. host: i want to get your response to speaker johnson saying there will be a vote on the floor, possibly next week, to move forward with an impeachment inquiry into president biden. he said on tuesday that all republicans could now feel comfortable voting to formalize the ongoing inquiry because doing so continues an investigation and does not assert any wrongdoing by the president worthy of impeachment. will you vote yes to move forward on this inquiry? host: as of now i will -- guest:

as of now i will. what speaker johnson said is correct. we have three committees investigating president biden and his wrongdoings as part of his family's criminal enterprises. we have the ways and means committee and the oversight committees all conducting investigations into different aspects of the biden family at the things he has been doing over his time serving the people in government. i think the next step, as part of this impeachment inquiry i'm is to allow those committees of jurisdiction to share that information with other members who are not on those committees. i do not serve on any of the three committees and i do look forward to reading the investigation and the work they have done. it gives members the opportunity to make a decision on their own. it is important to point out, it seems in the media the term impeachment is the one everyone is focused on. this is an impeachment inquiry.

in the history of the house of representatives there been over 90 impeachment inquiries that have moved forward. but all of them have led to impeachment. this is another step in the direction of allowing members of congress to look into the work these committees -- i am sure it is very good work, so we'll have an understanding of where this investigation is going. host: give us your take on what you think happens with this current continuing resolution that the government is running under. another deadline is coming up after the holidays in january. what you think will happen? guest: i think speaker johnson has been doing an excellent job getting everyone in a room and having conversations. this comes to negotiation, to compromise. for myself i support the continuing resolution last month and i will do everything in my power to work with my colleagues

to make sure this government does not shut down, that we continue to move this nation forward and i am confident that we will make sure this government does not shut down. host: congressman anthony dsps ito, republican from new york. paul's until 10:00 eastern time. charlene in california. democratic caller. caller: i am calling because the republican party is blaming the democrats for all of this stuff. if they would not have elected a president like trump -- an incompetent president like trump -- putting him in office to play loose goose with top-secret confidential information -- that

is why it is going on in israel. it is because of trump. prudent outsmarted him and got a hold of documents he should not have. it did not help that benjamin netanyahu in israel forced himself back up in place. it is because of trump and his incompetence. for that new speaker to be smirking, almost choking, almost laughing, this is not funny. host: a reminder to you and others, mute your television please. charlotte, north carolina. independent. caller: good morning. how are you doing today? i am a first time caller and i cannot thank you enough for your unfiltered view of government. regarding my comment, i've been noticing the republican plan to split the omnibus bill from one

huge bill to a dozen different bills and on paper it sounds great able to negotiate on a case-by-case basis. in reality they are hoping to streamline the departments they are interested in by also putting a stall into departments they are not interested in. host: jack's thoughts in charlotte, north carolina. jerry in washington, pennsylvania. republican. caller: good morning. i would like to try to keep it quick. title ix should under no circumstances be amended. a set of pumps does not make a man a woman. follow the science. hr-2 should be implemented to the letter. deportation should begin in earnest. joe biden is a senile old man in charge of nothing. he is a figurehead at best. host: go ahead.

finish your thoughts. i thought your dog. -- finish your thought. caller: the southern border is completely open. i am a united states navy veteran who served my first tour of duty off the coast of vietnam. you have a nice day. host: willie in louisiana. democratic caller. caller: thank you for taking my call. i'm am a 20 year military veteran who served in vietnam in 1966. two tours. 1968. i am a very patriotic person. 82 years old in good shape. you see these guys threatening our democracy, i see trump the same way. i don't see why nobody is talking about taking this guy out if he threatens our country. it is ridiculous. host: porridge county,

california. independent -- orange county, california. caller: i am sitting in my television talking about money is not going overseas, it is weapons. we have a problem with the military-industrial complex. that is not the reason for my call. i go back 50 years when cesar chavez started a program when they brought farmworkers from mexico to california to work in the fields during the harvest season. this is the problem with immigration and with many other topics in politics today. there are a lot of diversionary topics where people get all fired up separating democrats from republicans and what have you. what happens is if there were no jobs there would be no illegal immigration. they need those people here.

the farmers are not paying taxes or paying work for compensation. it is cheaper to bring them here and let them find their own housing. then the farms housed the workers until the growing and harvesting was over. we get a little bit tired of hearing everybody getting angry at america. the truth is the diversionary topics that the politicians -- i blame democrats as well as republicans. i am no fan of donald trump. i am not a huge fan of joe biden either. we need a shift in the paradigm of politics in our country. without it i'm afraid we have more of this to come. host: jerry in new jersey. republican. caller: good morning. host: we are listening.

caller: besides the 8000 to 10,000 people crossing every day at our border, we also have caught hundreds of terrorists on the terrorist watch list. the cia and the fbi have been on tv warning us to be on high alert. the 80,000 lost children that nobody knows where they are in the thousands of pounds of fennel. we have the highest overdose in history. the highest fentanyl seizures at the border in history. hundreds of terrorists they have caught at the border is one thing. the 1.8 million that got away? how many terrorists are in them? as far as using them as pawns, that is ridiculous. i know four people that have died of fentanyl overdose. none of them were drug addicts. one pill killed them.

the border has to change. we spent over $300 billion on immigration. even the democrats are complaining. biden has made history they because of the thousands of pounds of fentanyl. 80,000 lost children. and terrorists that the fbi and the cia have warned us to be on high alert now. host: we heard that from fbi director ray yesterday at his previous testimony. he has been talking about that. you can find that on her website c-span.org. amelia in georgia, democratic caller. we have a couple of minutes left before the house gavels in for their legislative session. what is on your mind? caller: good morning. i wanted to say something quickly. for years i have been listening to c-span.

republicans are all talking points when they call, and it is so sad what is going on in this country. they repeat the same thing, what they're hearing on conservative talk shows and fox. they do not take time to research on their own. trump is nothing but a dictator. they go to these rallies and this man is advocating -- that should take critical thinking skills. another thing i've not heard anybody say, when the attack took place in israel it took seven hours for net yahoo! to send the military -- it took seven hours for benjamin netanyahu to send the military to aid those people. he was warned about the attack. i don't think it is antisemitism when lives are lost, palestinian and israel. to kill 16,000 people is inhumane and we should be holding them accountable for what took place.

he had warnings. host: edward in georgia. independent. caller: right on. i want to beg the callers to please not clog up the line by asking greta how she is doing. we have desperate toppings to discuss. wherewith the world be today if there was more talk about iran when that girl got her head bashed in by those religious people? why did taxpayers pay money that lady get up there to pray to open the congress. that is an obscenity. this is not a theocratic nation. thank you for letting me talk. host: we are listening. caller: he relies part of mexico was stolen by the bigshot united states? how do you explain it?

unfiltered. every day it is the same story. good morning, how are you. thanks for taking my call. c-span you do a great job of clogging the line talking about nothing. host: i have to leave it there. the house will gavel in and they will begin with the prayer you will just complaining about. we bring you to the house