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host: this is "washington journal" for sunday, june 16. struck down a federal ban on bump stocks, that the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, and firearms alcohol exceeded its authority when it banned the devices, which allows

semiconductor guns to fe rapidly. the ruling puts the future of firearms back in the lawmakers, just months before the november election. to start from you. how important are gun issues to vote? republicans, 202-748-8001. democrats, 202-748-8000. independents 2022. if you're a gun owner, there's a line for you 202-748-8003. if you'd like to text us, do so at 202-748-8003. be sure to include your name and city. you can also post a question or comment on facebook, at football.com/cspan or on x @cspanwj. the supreme court releasing decision on thursday. from npr, here's more. president trump ordered the ban in 2017 after a singlen at a las vegas concert used multiple guns modied devices to kill

60 people and injure of 11 minutes. the subsequent a.t.f.ks on the grounds that the transferred legal semiconductor weapons into illegal machine guns. but on friday the supreme court's conservative super majority struck down the law writing, justice clarence thomas said machine gun because it doesn't fire automatically.six diagrams illustrating how bump stocks work, thomas noted the a.t.f. regulation was a reversal ofhe agency's previous posi and president biden spoke at the everytown summit,nization, a gun violence prevention organization, also this week before the supreme court decision was announced. of president biden's comments from that event. >> that's why last december i established the first ever white house office of gun violence prevention.

[applause] we got first-rate professionals incredible vice president. who was a pretty fierce prosecutor, as well. to drive and government effort to reduce gun violence in america, to send a clear important this issue is to me to you, and to the entire country. you're changing the nation. you really are. you're changing the nation. it builds upon the dozen of executive action my administration has taken reduce gun violence, more than any of my predecessors, everything from guns, gun trafficking, so much more. stopping there. it's time once again too

ears! four more years! president biden: who in god's name needs a magazine which can control 200 shells? >> nobody! president biden: nobody, that's right. campaigning when i was a senator, going through the wetlands of delaware to were most upset with me, fishermen and across a guy who he was fishing and said you want to take my gun, and iwant to take your gun, you're allowed to have the gun, but i want to tak to use an assault weapon. no, this is how the conversation went. he said what do you mean i need that gun. i said guess what, if you need 12 to 100 bull that's gun, in a magazine shot i've ever heard. serious.

and to his credit, he looked at me and said, you h but think about it. host: that was president biden on tuesday. according to new polling from pew earlier this month looking at cultural issues and the it comes to guns, it says perhaps topic divides voters more deeply than the role that firearms have by overwhelming margins. joe biden's supporters control over gun rights and say gun ownership does more to reduce than increase safety. roughly eight in supporters 83%, say the increase in begins in the u.s. a for society. by comparable or evenomewha margins, donald trump supporters express opposinvi measures. underscoring the divisiveness of topic, americans disagree about whether gun violence have a major national problem. in a separate 68% of democrats and democratic-leaning violence is a very big problem compared with

27% of republicans and republican leaners. former president trump spoke at a month. here are his comments during that event.t we take back the white house, i believe we arehave the four greatest years in the history of our country. and it's hard to believe, when you look at what's happening right inflation and the bad economy. i'll just say scott, o prognosticators on wall street, one of the smartest people on wall street, he said the only reason the stock market is doing well is because trump is leading in all of the polls. if trump wasn't leading in all the polls, and if trump doesn'tg to have a collapse like in 1929. so just it, but i said it too. i really believe it. thing that's doing well is the stock market. it's doing well because we are a great stock market. if it didn't happen, it's going to be very bad tim our country. but to achieve the future you have to march into the voting booth and you havete crooked joe

biden, joe, you're doing a horrible job, you're a horrible apprentice joe, you're fired get out of here, j you're fired. and let there be no doubt, the survival of our second amendment is very much on the ballot. you know what they want to do. they're going to, oh, if they get in, ourg destroyed in so many ways, but the second amendment is under siege. with me, t never get anywhere, and we need that second systemment forgetting about even going hunting and all of the things that you do, we need it for safety. because the bad guys are not giving that. the bad ones are not giving up their guns. oh, they will be so happy. if the biden regime gets four years, they are coming for your guns, 100% ce a 40-year record of trying to rip firearms out of the hands of law-abiding citizens. he's always wanted to do that. and you can't do it. host: this morning we are hearing from you about how important our gun issues are to your 2024 vote.

republicans, your line, 202-748-8001. 202-748-8000. independents, 202-748-8002. and if you're a gun owner, call in at 202-748-8003. we from rob in new york on the independent line. goodorning, rob. caller: good morning. i can't believe we're having this talk again. you guys have wasted a lot of time on this whole subject for n't you talk about the department of justice refusing to prosecute attorney general garland for come the of congress? that's the most important story. when we don't have a legal systemny matter? you can have all the guns you want, but when the government has f-15's and f-16's, what chance do you have to stand up against those clowns? joe biden, if there's a puppet, eat not in charge of anything. host: rob, do you have thoughts on, does it matter to youring vote in 2024? caller: absolutely i'm going for another democrat after the way i've seen these people leaveers open.

we're all a border state. host: how do gun issues factor into 2024? caller: well, the second amendment says shall not be infringed. that's pretty plain language. you know why they're so concerned about bump s all this other garbage, we have gunso against the tyrannical government, and we have ahat's why they want to take your guns away. you got to look at who you're not allowed to criticize right now, you know? our government is just evil, and it's sad for me to say that because i served in our navy and kind of sorry that anybody serves in our military anymore, because we're do is go to other countries and steal their resources and for so our economy can have big, booming natural and i can all the rest of these clowns that find more ways to kill people. host: we'll go to peter in dallas, also on the independent line. good morning peter. caller: good morning. i'm on the democratic line.

host: oh, apologi morning. caller: about this bump stock. this guy is talking about military guy. people are make it easy for people to get these guns to kill people. why? is so important for these ak-47's and all the other weapons to to get? republicans and donald trump they are these are evil people. should never be allowed to runre. donald trump belongs in prison. republicans have no love for this country. republicans are embedded with every terrorist organization in this country. donald trump that's criminal.d i hope on july 11 that judge marchan send him to prison, thank you. host:oe f

calling on the independent line, good morning i'd like to say i'm a proud supporter of president donald trump. hopefully he'll get back in office. i don't agree on everything said, but i won't throwy out with the bath water. he's for second amendment. i think there are racist in why there's so many america. 330 million guns in america. when i live in texas, i grew up in new york, when i live in in 199 thereas 260 million guns in america. 60 million guns. that's 1994. out of that, five out of the 10 most violent city in america was in texas. houston had the fourth highest murder rate per capita in the nation. five. san antonio was the think fort worth. new york city, people talk about

how tough new york cityity in 1987 they averaged 2,000 a year. now it's 400 murders. new york city have one of thestrictest gun laws. you get two years in reichers guns. new york15th per capita in murder in the basically the same city because they have one of the strictest gun laws. most of those guns came from virginia. and i point out why i say -- i texas. there's a big problem. just like drugs alcohol, other stuff, it'stion. people are addicted to guns. i used to go to the trackty relays, tulsa oklahoma, oklahoma year. the civic the gun show in oklahoma state.

i went there the same time they have the track meet, because the civic center walked the same hallway where we pract events for track and field. i'm there's a racist the drug culture. mexico was a safe the south american countries brazil, venezuela. host: all right, got your point joseph. we will go to richard in gun owner. good morning, richard. caller: good morning. how are you today? host: doing well, yes i'm very for the right to bear arms, becn amendment the punctuation really matters. if you remember back in the old days, when people used to get out of were given a six gold piece and a horse. so at time it was constitutional for everybody to maintain a firearm. the amendments being taken away, which, of course, the constitution says you can't take constitution, you

can only add to it, with support, correct? so with that being on a simple firearms possession, there should not be anybody locked up in white black, whatever, t equal protection of the law, the constituti land. host: what about 2024, richard? where does issues that are important to you? caller: i think it's very important, ma'am. the ruling that the second amendment protects missouri pass was he supremacy clause proves that. because any law designed to protect the constitution, if thetuns of the land, then that ruling was unconstitutional. host: let's hear from frank in cincinnati ohio,mocrats line. good morning, frank. caller: hi, so i'd like to make three or four dispassionate arguments and just have your listeners tell me what they

think in their we limit the rights of 99.9% of americans because .1% are totally insane homicidal maniacs? hear in cincinnati, we had someone d a car into oktoberfest and kill a bunch of people a few years ago. the problem is the wet's the way people statement. i don't think that we should limit the rights because of a vast minority that misuse automatic weapons. now, any argument that a person might make, no one needs an weapon. when i have a talk with people, i say w they? and eventually they come down indiscriminate killing machines that is likely to kill innocent people as anyone else. so then i ask why are there two

armories in every state in this union full of these weapons, if not to be used against u.s. citizens? if they are indiscriminers, why do we have them? why do we get them to other people if they're morally wrong, why do we have them? and if the government has them, why can't citizens have them? anyone ever give me an argument that can defy either one of thosetements. i just find it amazing that our government is always going to b good. i would like anyone on the left to tnot turned against its people sooner or later. sooner or later governments default on their leadership role with their people. they break with their people, and theyto be re-established. host: frank, you said people on the left, are or republican?

caller: no, i called republican line. but i am a republican. my argument i don't think is republican oro gun rights fall into is of importance for you in terms of the 2024 election? caller: it's important to the right as abortion is to the left. i think that's a fair statent. host: but you personally, how is it going to -- how are gun how you vote? caller: if a democrat were to say i am for the second amendment, andbama did nothing to defuse o supplant the second amendment in that regard. we talk about the bill of rights. i'm not off subject, just give me awe will not give the federal

government that much power. in king again. and john hancock said, look, youether, write something that balances this thing out that people will vote for, so we can ratify this. and they came back with the bill of rights, hoe individuals, for the purpose of limiting -- 40 individuals for the purpose of limiting the government's power.at's what the second amendment is about. these are individual rights to individuals to protect them from anntrusive government. to see it any other way, to of all guns because of a even 2% of the population, do you think criminals are going to give up their weapons? no. host: all right, we got your point, frank. we w in new york. he is a gun owner. good morning, tim. caller: yeah, googh i'm 73 years old. i've hunted all life. i've owned weapons since i was a

young kid. i just feel that these assault weapons, something has to be done. i don't know what it is. i'm not politician. i'm just an averageizen, and i think assault weapons are mean devised and built to kill they do. and when they pass t stock deal to quit making them, that was a help. now they've rescinded that, kill people faster or something? understand it. that, you know, when bill clinton passed the assault weapons ban in this country, there was basically 1,200, a little4br owned by the general pub weapon built

for war, vietnam, you know. an$.d has come off, there's a little over four million in the general public's hands now which i'm a second a person. i do but these weapons, i don't believe are made for hunting. they're made for killing. it's a shame we can't come to some kind of agreement on these things. whether it's registering leak a pistol permit. now, i am a pistol owner. i have several pistols. i hunt with one. and i believe inound checks. i think we should have a na check for every weapons that's sold in country. i don't understand why we can't get that pass, but that's neither here for their.

that's basically all i have t say. host: tim in new york, a gun owner. fromia press, this article talking about the shooting. hasn't decided how he'll vote in one of the closely watched congressional election this is year but he knows guns will be on he casts his ballot and he's prett he won't be the only one. a 47-year-old father of two was five the last act during that bash and grill shooting. it was the deadliest mass shooting in he was rushed to the hospital. he still can't the article says in the aftermath ofle were killed and many more were wounded at two separate crime scenes dryer has watched his st gun control laws t. is against the back drop that and he other voters n's second congressional district will consider the political congressman jared golden. we are talking with you about how important gun issues are to your 2024 vote. you'll hear next from bill in florida calling on the republican line.

good morning, bill. how important are gun issues to your vote? ng. gun issues are really not important to me, because i'm going to keep my gunned. i don't care who's in office. i have a right to defend m if somebody breaks in my house i have a right to defend all these bump stocks and assault weapons, if you take the rifle and paint it camouflage, that's an assault weapon. it's the same thing. it's a semiautomatic they put clips in. you know how fast i can take down's so ridiculous with these guys. they have no idea what they're about weapons. another thing, all these shootings, just about all of them, were commit by people that have mental health problems and it was no mental health contact. they don't work together. i remember one instance a lady got shot by she left her weapons out. i think it was in new york.

this kid had known mental problems for years.about it. and that happens in i'd say shootings these people have mental problems. and they're known ahead of time and nothing's ever don we need more communication between the mental health people and law enforcement. thank you. host: adam in jersey calling on the democrats line. good morning adam. issues to your vote? caller: i mean, i think of important. ultimately i red there's so many shootings. any parents, i've never had guns in the home growing up. my parents in the later years have decided they're gun people. i guess they want to pes in their suburban home. but i don't understand it. yeah, i guess i in terms of my vote, t parties are so polarized, i don't think it's going to swing either way.

but guns or whatever they're a tool. what i really detest is is gun culture in this country and this idea the government and you're going to protect your rights with a gun which i is silly. we have nuclear weapons, tanks. i don't see how that. so it's mostly just a stress within my relations with my parents mores about the voting. but yeah it's really annoying and is it. host: david independent line. good morning, david. morning, c-span. i'm going to give you a independent vie of the! guns are irrelevant. they're just the disconnect between the brain and the bullet. and in the 27 words of the second amendment there ain't no words mentioned of brass ammo. it come along 50 years later after this amendment was adopted. now, is regulated, you can

only boy up a certain caliber because afteron of mass destruction. where do we start lowering the bar on the bullets that are doing the mass destruction? they're all brass ammo. we can regulate them to death. we can turn it over to the insurance companiesnt on the bullets and on the shell and trace who is selling this stuff to the criminals, which are putting 50 -- you can just see all little cones all over the place when you have one of these shootings, it's brass ammo. y'all, get your mind off the guns. if we regulate the ammo, which is already there. if we get on that subject and stay there and do something, we ca want to keep talking about something that is irrelevant, which is the good without ammo, you can beat yourself about the head, but you're not going to stop the m. got to regulate the ammo. thank you for letting me come on. good day.

host: frank in new york, a good morning. how important are guns vote? caller: real simple. let the police and military have the high-powered weapons, and the average person shouldn't be allowed to buy tm. it's that simple. thank you, bye-bye. host: democrats line. good morning. caller: i just wanted to comment on this. i'm going say this to for what's going on in this country about guns and all this, it's not the government. it's the people that runs the government that's out here, that's trying to blame the government. wasn't for the government citizens wouldn't have no rights and that's what these people trying to do, take your rights away from you. to guns,s it's not the problem. this country was built on violence. that's whyim a black person go out there and steal a piece of candy, chicken, they give them a felony, so they can't vote, can't have arms and guns. but they go around telling people you allowed to have a gun in your house. these people broke all these

laws out here, that so-called to want run this country like the wild wild west, wat movies, and you'll see how run. the abuse i've been through with the gun, when they gun, allowed to have guns in the back of their cars, they made a gun rack and protested against that, so they let them with wear rights but the blacks had gun rights, they still got stopped by the policanhot and killed. so this is on a one-way street. one-way thinking. these people out here, they don'nt for other people what it do for them. it's not our government, a blaming the government. give me time like everybody else. give the people that's blaming the government, the people that's out here mad because other people, the government is protecting them, these people don't want the government in your life. these people want to do the killing and everything, just like all these spring breakers this year in miami. there was a white kid thate shooting on the beach shooting and stuff, and the police caught him and put him on a mug shot. come to find out he and fake mustache.

they took that off the tv. now they set it up to go shoot up a concert, and then find out it was some white guy. you didn't hear about that. but a lot of white peopleing stuff, and then they blaming it on people of color. for listen to me they give us felonies from day one, ever they abuse you and cops will tell you to run, and you don't run. they want to shoot these people. host: got your point, greg. last month during an event, vice president kamala harris was asked aboutí> gun control efforts. here are some of her remarks.ce president harris: i would ask this question when did i my college tour every and over 15,000 kid showed up, by the way. i mean, in th auditoriums in overoverflow rooms, which you themselves standing in line for hours not for a rock concert, but to literally witness something like this, right? and i'd ask your hand, i'd asknts, if at any point between

kindergarten and 12t grade you had to endure an active shooter dril hand went up. i'd also say to the press all the time, please a look at this. students up. it's bone-chilling. all of that thati believe that, first of all there's been a false choice been perpetuated including in this town that suggests you're either in favor the second amendment or you want to take everyone's guns away. i'm amendment, and i believe we need an assault weapons ban. we need universal checks. we need red flag given how our young leaders have experienced this, growing up in california, the closest thing i had to an active shooter drill was an earth drill right? by the way, fire like consistently, and thankfully we really see any fire in a gun violence, verywhen our young leaders start voting in their numbers on so

many of oing to see a sea change in terms of how we address it, because our young leaders are very practical and to want see things done. what i love is they're not going wait out. they're going to do it. they're going to do it. host: we are hearing from you, our audience october question,to your 2024ote? on facebook, we are getting responses, tricia says don't list. i'm moreot constitution is what's important and the right to bear arms is in the constitution. let's hear clearwater florida, on the republican line. good morning, charles. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i want to say this before i get started, i'm a black man. i've been a republican since voted for dick nixon worked on his campaignmp of michigan. with that said, i've always been a conservative, and listen to people talk about this gun issue politicians especially, you can

tell that they know absolutely nothing about firearms. anyone knows that an ar-15 shooting a .223 cartridge can kill a squirrel. it can't even kill a large or medium sides fox. but because the ar-15 is m-16 and m-4 military style assault rifle. not understanding even today that ar-15 lite, not assault rifle. and i hear barack obama, he this lie about these are s of streets. and he kept saying that over and over over. you say it loud enough, on which enough, people believe it. when i lisp to your callers it's obviousven n washed and haven't done their homework, and people need to do they engage in this, especially our elected officials. ontleman made a great point

about magazine magazine in five six seven, you know, 10 seconds, depends in how you crack just think that if we want to the other thing about the response is, i've said for years that the people who are doing these mass shootings are white young between 18 and 30. have sexually issues, on drugs. they have mental health issues. so when a first responder go to and show up at a a man shot 70 people and he walks out standing up. if he'd been black, he have looked like swiss cheese. this boy walks out up, rooking all comes to the election, where do gun issues fall for you? caller: i don't think it really matters. i think the real issue in the 2024 issue is going to be the one. foreign policy domestic policy

illegal immigration. i think those are the key issues. abortion comes in. and then guns is further down the list. it may bee first is going to be the economy, stupid. host: florida. let's go to robert inhe independent line. good morning. caller: thank you. country boys can survive, but more seriously, the problem on guns don't kill&v kill people. the problem is in the heart. i thank god for eternal rights and the shadow of death.s day, happy father's day love rob, snowake. host: that was robert. reminder to our callers, make sure you have the tv down in your background. let's hear from lee in,v charleston on the democrats line. good morning lee. caller: goo morning.

i think it's very important t have for your family at home, it doesn't need -- an authorize. i think what it is, it's of intimidation, and they really don't have nothingls why would i want to go carry a everything out in the street and bore tray this image other than just trying to intimidate somebody. a problem. i think we have a lot of basically retarded, and we're talking about the color of law here. we've got a bunch of people running around, walking around in suit coat dresses, and intimidating you're own culture of stuff. that is unbounded. it is the speaker of the house.'s got plenty of work. i just think we need to get this country and of these people who are against the

united states america. host: where does the issue of guns fall when it comes to your 2024 vote? caller: it doesn't matter. i have three, but i keep them all where i need it. but i don't need it in the reets. what do i need it for than if i have an agenda to kill i just think with the leadership we have now is doing good. we don't need any other radical person that walks around with his fists out saying oh, we're going to fight for america, take our country back. we are the united states of america. what is he talking host: richard in north carolina on the republican line, goodw important are gun issues to your vote? can i ask you a question? host: go we've never had a war on our land? hello? host: why do you think? caller: it's because we have guns and they can't invade our

shores. well, 15 million people later and the democrat party have let their= people better be prepared. the war is here, and it's keep your guns and keep your ammunition. thank you. host: robert in california on the independent line. important are gun issues to your vote? caller: good can you shut off by waving goodmorning america for me. host: go ahead had a gun. i've nevered. but i think we should all just try to get along better in this be other people watching us from otr planets or something. we have just look ridiculous shooting at each other with guns and stuff. host: you're going to vote in 2024, inovember? caller: i've never i'm just irreal p are

important in this world. thinkulous shooting at each other and stuff likehat. bradley in michigan on the democrats line. good morning, bradley. caller: good morning. thanks for very important to me and most individuals other than politicians they're scared to attempt legislation. would like to make the point where people say it takes one good guy wit a bad guy with a gun. uvalde had 300 good guys couldn't stop the one from slaughtering the innocentre into these guns so heavy are pretty much cowards that have to hide behind their big weapons. i gue sad state of america. thank you in oakville, i'm sorry, west virginia on t republican line. good morning garrett. how important are gun issues to vote? caller: well there's a lot of different points but those two points i just want say why the liberals want to rights and keep all their rights?

it's just when ramaswamy during the debate said that he would on taiwan an basically everybody laughed at him. but it's true. they got to learn to protect themselves. we won't have to everybody in the world. that's all i got to say. host: we are talking about h important gun issues are to your vote. on facebook, jiminarything to do with protection of life and personal property. let's hear from tim in g independent line. good morning, tim. caller: it's jim. how you doing? host: caller: i think people are gunsre inanimate objects. no more dangerous than a pen, a pencil a piece of paper. it's the people that are the problem, and the problem right now is that the criminal justiceem is not punishing people

that commit crimes. there's many of them being for all sorts of reasons. it depends on the politics of the ateyneral and legislature and the country, we had different states that if you just controlled the people better criminals make sure, that will reduce the numberblems. until then, the second amendment to bear arms, among that the people can defend themselves a federal government that gets out of control. host: i n. february, former president trump spoke at anotheras the great american outdoor show. presidential forum happened in pennsylvania. during it, he highlighted some of his work on gun policy.

here's his remarks. >> myistration also petitioned the supreme court new york city's unusual transporting hand gunned outside ho you got to keep handgun at people. don't that don't understand the industry, many people think may be tough. it's really survival. we have 7 up hundred million there. not i'm of them by very innocent people. ina landmark indicate two years ago, the court affirmed the not end when you step outside the confront house. that was all things we got together. but under crooked joe biden your second amendment again under siege. biden has implemented a vicious zero tolerance pol it's not good. that revikings the licensedependent fire arms dealers if they make a single minor little tune

i error they're out of business. he imposed the so-called pistol brace rule, which allowsler guns are certainee klimt. you know that. many of you are fd it, i don't know. as everybody doing it as per themand? who in the country has done it? hell of a big building. it is building. we got big -- wait. it's packed. a lot of people outside, too trying to get in. big arena. and anyway biden is trying to private gun transfers in the united states with the stroke of a them all. under a trump administration, disasters get ripped up and torn out. my first week, but maybe my first day in office, ok? it may be m host: the supreme court assau out on friday. the majorustice clarence thomas.

in today's "washington post," on the editorial board, they say the only problem is that justice thomas was correct to 2008 regulation issueed could not recognized their consistent fact, it raft aersal by the before the las vegas massacre, which had been more or less the same, once that justice thomas arctic opinion. this history shows what can go wrong whe i to the bureaucracy and courts. it would be relying on ndarse a 90-year-old statutory text. that alleviate a gun stock ban so many peoples really watch. consistent is through the law. we have just under 10 leuts hear next from a gun owner. tom in trenton, new jersey. tom. how important are gun issues to

your vote? well, they're very fascists and communists and bomb krzyzewski nazis --bolsheviks and nazis, they want to take away our guns. next thing you know they want to take away something else. and one needs to realize why our founders who wrote these things into the constitution? it would not have been without guaranteed these rights all of rights. jersey. let's hear from nebraska in nebraska calling on the republican line. good morning jerry. caller: i think when i was in school in the 1970's, a lot of carried guns to school. nobody even thought about any of the shootings t about now. i the interne and all these games that they have

stuff now is affecting the kids. they need to enforce the laws we got on the books. we'll find out how well theyrce laws when they sentence for buying a gun illegally. we'll find out how well theorced. thank you. host: james in connecticut on ning james. how important are gun issues to your vote? caller: it's not in the top 10 to answer the question up front. i think the problem too politicizedx up, there was guns all over the place. we were told not to touchs in our place when it came to guns. all that. it was in a cabinet, but not locked, and you were told not to touch it. now we don't have that. we don't have the discipline that we had before. politicians have brought fear everybody, whether it be they started it off, and a big ramp they started off saying they all got guns and ublic think that

oh my god, a gun a gun, a gun, now, if you have an ar-15, good you. i personally tonight have one. i was in the milaruns. that's something i don't need. it's a thing that you have as a collection items. that it's became too political, and t polarization has pulled people apart so far the bar next to another guy h not friends. and that's what's dividing our country. you're never going to get to a solution, because you're just going to have that division, divide, divide divide. and then we can get what we want. appreciate you allow me to have the call. thank scenes staff that are taking the calls and doing all the along with you doing the work t. means a lot to us. i think we have a here or this tv set than we have in congress right now. even though we elected them. i think the truth comes out. and i would note since i've been watching i haven't h female came on,ing and that bothers me t. bothers m engaged, because

it is a topic t going to be no solution for it. wem going on? we marry oh, women are going to be so upset about abortion, and yes, they are. they should be upset about abortion. but where do they stand on gun rights? i want to hear it. i want to hear from them on. does it matter to them at all? thank you so much. i appreciate your time. host: that was james. let's hear from sam in line. good morning, sam. ca amendment believer, but i think that we misconstrued a lot of what it was all meant to be. if you read the actual language it says to ensure the militia t the direct threats were against our country or states or whatever. to have a standing militia that's in turn going to help

fight our own amendment. what was it supposed to be number one. host: go a thing i was going say the gentleman that was on earlier that really doesn't know his guns even though he says he does. in 2023, this is not a hti roun lot damage to make sure the person gets hit with one round able to continue as a combatant in time. they do more individual. anyone who's ever spoken to the people who work in the approximate music award. tragic event happen, if youm the floor they should not even be legal civilians at all. thank you so much for having on. host: a couple more comments

coming inmportant gun issues are to your 2024 vote. they support any infringement onckadd them. the incident like the one in we'll hear next from monty in garland, texas republican rhine. how important are gun issues? caller: probably about a three. i'm more worried about theonomy and our spending. but i'll say this about guns. of all, you can put a gun on a table till the earth ends and it will never kill anybody or harman being picks it up. one other thing, the guy from connecticut, spot on. thank you. host: and our last call for this hour, ron in maryland calling on the democrats line. good morning, ron. caller: good morning. thanks for c-span. i don't own guns but my use my

tail. once we got people all over this country to protect us. what will the peoplext? nuclear weapons? do they think tne t have nuclear weapons also? i i was in the military for 20 years, and i thinapons, if you want to use the military-style weapons, join the military. when we talk about a high school, they should have had a two-year requirement forerybody to serve for two years. maybe that would chang of these people that never been in the military that want to own military-style weapon. that's all i have to say. think more kids, if by gunned today, that's my understanding it's the best number oneby guns today. th number one thing that kills kids in this country today is guns.

so, yeah. i think we ought to get rid of these mili-sd i think what the supreme court did is definitely wrong. guner and it keeps shooting until all the ammo is out of it. i don't understand the reason they voted the way they did. thank you. host: that is it for our first hour of today's "washington journal next, we are going to talk campaign2012 for an critical news of the day with democratic strategist joe caiazzo and republican strategist john feehery. and then later in the program we are going to be joined by brookingstution's senior fellow and foreign policy research director michael o'hanlon and he will discuss 20 24 g7 summit and the state of global democracy. we will be right back. ♪ >> this week on the c-span

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hour. we will talk campaign 2024 and the political news of the day. now, joe caiazzo, a democratic strategist, and john feehery, a republican strategist. welcome to both of you. guest 1: thanks for having me. guest 2: thanks for having me. host: we will start with some political news and that is the hunter biden conviction. john, what impact, if anything will that haveprocess and campaign? guest 2: campaign, right now, it is -- this distraction for the biden campaign, right now, republican say you can be put in jail for th think the bigger issue, from a republican perspective, is the cover. s going on with this computer that everyonemate, was a russian plant, and actually turned out to be a legitimate thing? and all the stuff in the computer come in this that intelligence officials said was not true but turned outo true, what are the implications for that?

itrepublicans crazy that the specific things with the specific gun charge i think is not the real story. host: joe, from a democrat you have any insight on an impact it might have on a campaign? guest 1: at the very end of the day, hunter biden is not on the ballot.he's not invited in the policymaking the campaign, or the day-to-day operations of the white house. i think the been abundantly clear where he and his family stand on the matter, continue to make this, you know, some part of the narrative frankly know donald trump is facing 34 felony convictions. they will try to use it as a wa to level the playing field. host: and another conviction, former president trump is convicted in that new york city hush money case, and according to yahlling that comes out and says is after trump's

cabinet conviction, biden leads for the first time 10 months again, any impact this might have come a's conviction might have on the election? guest 1: look, most americans do not want to vote for a convicted felohe is in fact a convicted what he will have to wear every day of this campaign. will talk about this relentlessly they will use this as a way to start to fire up their base to it does is remind swing voters that, in fact, donald trump is a convicted felon. guest i don't think it is the best thing that ever happened to candidate, to get convicted. it is not something anyone should be proud appeared i think it is a flaw in our legal look at it. the former presidentic bas raise a lot of money, and he has pretty much caught up in the money race, not quite come but almost, because of this conviction and this campaign of lawfare, as i would not say this is american democracy.

ultimately, we should look for voters have judges have trumped up charges so to speak. i do think by and large, the president has got some energy from this whole campaign, and every time there has been a new prosecution, his pulse have gone upican voters. so i think it has galvanized republicans and unified them i think democrats have spared. i think the whole polling on the conviction thing, but, you know,pendent voters, they see this as baseball. think one of the results might be that people just decide not to vote. i'm not sure that is a good thing, either. guest 1: if i could jump in for a momentvery time donald trump a large time, he's off the campaign trail, he's tweeting less crazy people how less disastrous hissidency was. now the is back on the campaign tr l, is additions that make thisntry great, things like

the judiciary and the intelligence community, as he continues to go and perpetuate his, you know,campaigning, i thinke american voters exactly who donald trump is, when his, you know second term would look like should he win, and basically whaccomplish in his first term, or lack thereof. host:rnout. another piece of news that came out this week on thursday, the supreme court and their decision access to abortion pills. what are people paying attention to? gues well, on the republican side, ise bialk to members of congress or people in the campaign, they careflation, number two. maybe you can put those backnd. crime is an issue. those are the things that get republicans kind of motivated the top issues with the voters.i think democrats are motivated by abortion. i think that is the number one thing. think that has made some republicans, in me like texas and florida, a little bit nervous. i think a lot of states have

passed constitl amendments on abortion, putting the issue kinda aside. but, you know, i do think this is not a surprise. the personalities of the two candidates also will inspire or turn voters off. i think biden'speople don't like to talk about, but it is a big issue in this campaign. trump is going to make some people nervous. [overlapping conversations][laughs] on the democratic side. the catching kitchen table issues everybody votes on, right now, it is inflation and immigration. host: do you think, how do you see the candidates and mishs are important to voters and are going to be driving turnout, are they doingguest 1: i think over the next few months, to see the contrast between the -- between the candatld trump famously said "build thattrolled congress, the first two years of his

action taken. president biden had a bipartisan bill out of the senate. the white house in the senate were both on board with it. former phone with mike johnson, and mike johnson famously says "then bill is d.o.a.." the outcome of that, president biden last week had to issue an executive order on thebecause congress would not act. when it comes to the economy donald trump's game taxes for the medical wealthy, cut taxes for corporations, andally continue to apply pressure. it is interesting, because he's able to shroud his economic agenda and is very strange, you know economic populist kind of an approach is not what it is. when it comes to president , he has gone through leaves and bounds to address poverty good there are 15 million more peoplethe president took office. i know we care about the inflatisly is a problem, that is putting the working people inis country under an incredible amount of pressure. the good news is it is down from its peak. not to say there are not problems to solve, but we are certinand the biden administration

has also made it abundantly clear make -- nobody who makes under $400,000 i think when it comes to immigration and when it comes to the economy, you know there is a stark difference. i here is when it comes to health care, right? joe biden has been an a credible supporter of the affordable care actwoman's right to choose. donald t polar opposite. u>going back to 2015, his campaign message wasalreplace." repeal and replace what? the a formal care act provides incredible access to people who need it. when itomes to freedom of choice, he said pointblank, the best thing i ever did was overturn roe. i think that's all you need to to s the cand biden is willing to go and debate donald trump. host: we are talking with joe

caiazzo, john feeherycampaign2012 four an political news of the day. both are strategist, and both have a background ine a question or comment for them, you can start hauling and now. the for republicans, (202) 748-8001. democrats, (20an independents, (202) 748-8002. john, former president trump was on the hill this week, talking with members of congress in the gop party. age he was sending was unity and promising to work out lingering issues within the party. where does supporting trump? guest 2: i talked to several members who were in the room of both the house and the senate, gs, and they were pretty pumped. i dromney and mitch mcconnell were with trump kind of shows you the level of unity right nowwith the republicans. i would have thought that the

thought people would have decided not to back trump but this is is as unified as i have seen it sincelot of republicans who did not want to vote for trump. i in kind of on board now. in that meeting was such whenever he talks about retribution and all this other he has to have a unified party. he's trying to win. he's also trying to leverage the democratic constituency. and i think the party is pretty unified, given kind of all the g on. the members i talked to are pretty pumped about the meetings , and trump i and joeen is trying to reassure democrats. there have been some lingerg concerns, things like age. how does he fall when it comes to support from his party? guest 1: i think that joe biden has the full support and the enthusiasm of the democratic party voters. and i think that was in the democratic

presidential primary. joe biden didthere was not this major up, yet joe biden did incredibly well. and what i mean by that is the number of votes cast for joe biden in the democratic s, in most cases, exceeded votes that obama got in 2012 in a similar type of situation. i think democrats really understand what is at stake, and joe biden hrking people of this country, and he is where the dem let's bring our audience into the conversation. we will hear first from greg north carolina, calling on the independent line. good morning, greg. caller: good morning. i want to say something to the democratic strategist. soy, i just can't believe the stuff is coming out from the democrats. the consumer price index just went up to 3.2%. everyone knows that inflationg worse.

all you have to do is walk in the grocery store. the democrats continue to spend money. a lot of bout the student loan bailout stuff. there are there. and you continue to spend money, with a $35 trillion debt. there's just no common sense anymore. you don't seem to be able reel anything back. things come even this morning you are saying all these things,getting better. there's no way you can make that , because things are not getting better. everyone knows i just want to hear what you have to say. guest 1: thanks for your question fit i want to fully acknowledge that, you know, i'm not skirting the point that people are under an immense amount of pressuimportant to look at the numbers here, and the numbers are more people working at than ever before. unempl corn pollutionpeak, and the democratic party continues to address those issues. spending, at the end

republicans control congress, and they control the purse strings at this point. i do think it is important to understand that people of the top of these corporations are not paying their fairhare. we are feeling the effects of essentially gave a get out of jail free card to these corporations. part of the democratic party t the fact that corporations and the mega-wealthy need to pay their fair share. host: let's hear from john in south carolina on the democrats line.good morning, don. caller: yeah. referring back to the last one, things are getbetter, we would not be building houses. the democratic party, just like before, has been handed a m sto straighten out. the republicandot want to take the black eyes, yet they slipped and fell again. but with this situation of a felon that's going to become or to become president of the united is a margarita of

our whole entire democracy-mockery of our whole entire democracy. how can we have a criminal, known criminal, not just from the past deal in his court system, but prior to way he has done people in this country? how can we do this? host: john. guest 2:o the economic point. house prices have been out of control, all prices are out of control, and people are feeling the huge pinch on that. the government spending is actually making prices and it is making the dollar less it. they are sick of having to pay thesin the problem with inflation, once it is out of the bag, it is kind of hard to tamp down. i think the etary is trying an approach, a subtle approach. i'm not sure if it is going to work.

thiss the primary issue outside of illegal immigration that people are concerned much more so than any other issue, this is the thing that come outside the beltway when peoplehow will make ends meet, how they pay their grocery bill? they are just like "i don't want to stick with joe biden. it's not good for me right now." about working-class voters, the working class voters are keep going down this path they're not going to be able to continue to, they will make cuts of their own budget, and they want peop of the government's budget, and that is not happening. host: janet in kingsport, tennessee on the republican linedennis. caller: good morning. host: go ahead. you are on. caller: if one of these two guys can tell me whatea was a democracy, because all the while is a constitutional republic.

never heard democracy until the last five or six years.i would just like to know when it was we lost our republic. guest 2: short-term for constitutional republic. the idea of et to tel their elected officials, you know, what to do, and have their desires be ignored. [laughs] a long time. as long as i have been around our constitutional democracy, a constitutional republic is a shorthand for democracy. so i'm not sure if the caller joe, do you want ton? guest 1: yeah. this is a challenging question, because i'm not exactly sure with the question is good i think, you know, american people in the direction of ourrect election of our congressman matters.

i mean, you know i'm not really sure much more to ad ok, we will go to lewis in new jersey, calling on the independent line. good morning, lewis. caller: good moy.joe, you are a good guy. i've been guest 1: thank you. [laughs] caller: you know as well as i do, the 34 felonyed. his charges to the jury, unconstitutional. overturned i really think a good thing, to leave it to the states. this way, if you wan state do what you want, and as far as the for the minimum wage. have lost their jobs. you know as well as is not in control. good day, sir. guest 1: thank you for your questions. i very much appreciate you being a long term fan. [laughs]t, you know, on thethe $20

an hour wage, look, people in this country get a livable ways. for far needs of corporations way ahead of working people. k it is high time, and i'm happy to see people being properly compensated through their pay and their benefits. when it comes to the other issues, i think it is abundantly clear that joe biden is in char economy, joe biden has made every effort possible us go and rebound and rebuild on the hills of covid. when it comes to capping the cost of prescription drugs, when it goes to passing the monumental infrastructure bill, which is an i investment you're on the matter of choice, look, the american people overwhelmingly believe a woman has the right to i think if you are happy that it was, you are entitled to your views. but it to have, democrats are going to win that. we saw it in the midterms them and we will see it this year too. host: trump was on the hill, giving

those meetings, he said that his vp pick, "probably in them" during those meetings. who would help him the and what is he looking for? guest 2: well,questions,someone that makes him look like a leader, who trusts his deputy, who makes him seem like somebody who is confident in his team. you know, as they love different participants out there possibilities, j.d. vance from ohio is someone who has a blue-collar kind of approach. he wrote a book that is pretty famous. tim scott, african-american, ra licy. getting a lot of excitement.

marco rubio ran forom florida. i think there has been some talk that he might be leaninot of my more liberal republican friends would love to have her be t because he think that would unify the party. unified, but there has been some talk abouter.you want talk to voters in real ways, bringtement to the room, but not necessarily overshadow the president. the vice presidential candidates tend not to help presidential candidate is that much. t you saw dan quell and george h w bush committed not help that george w. bush, it did not help that much. when george bush picked dick cheney, if there was a perception that did not have the gravitaskamala harris, not

sure she has really fulfilled her roleng the base for the democrats. anothese stefanik from new york. she has workede very smart and knows how to go viral on soa bit younger face to the party as wel it is a great mystery as to who he will pick him and ink there are a lot of who want to be picked. nobody is shying away from the job, let's put it that way.st: joe, on the topic of vice president, political has a new poll, kamala harris, reliabilities and strengths as poe concern about her as the running mate. what can a campaign do about increasing? guest 1: kamala an incredible partner for biden in the first four years for she will continue to serve an i role in the second term. she have the delivery to not

only fire up the base but also go o tshe served in the u.s. senate for a period ofds pushing the ball down the field for the democratic agenda. i think all this talk about her nothing the handling by the punditry class. joe biden believes she is the best suited s in that role. over the last few years, she has showat that is in fact true. when it comes to the republican side, interested, because i am i believe it is between j.d. vance, elise stefanik, and representative donalds and out of florida. i beli it is between those three, because they each to tack particular point of the democratic pow ultimately, at the end of betting day which i'm not, i put my money on donalds.caller: good morning.

vice president kendall harris after the second term of thstration will make a great president in 2028. but i would like to democrats on a stroller history and hthrough, they will feel like i do, like enough conservative supreme court stole the election from al gore, and democrats excepted the results and moved on. president obamaupreme court justices stolen from him because mitch mcconnell made up an arbitrary pick a supreme cou and look at what they did. they lied. they lied about and stolen election, so much so that they geeked up their base to attack our capitol and embarrass us in front of the world. fight back. if we have hadent

obama, this court would beinstead, it is a conservative cesspool. and in november, we need to fighverwhelm the polls ando vote, vote, vote, all of the republicans all of , super majorities in the house and theo we can straighten this damn joe kemeny response? guest 1: yeah. i want to echo this. when it comes to row, when it comes to ivf, when it comes to bump stocks, is abundantly clear that the supreme court is not where the majority of the public is on these issues. i think that will serve to fire pace in a particular way that we only really saw in 2022. i to speak to his goal in early 2009 was to make sure that obama was a one term president, he publicly said that. part of that, you know play was to stop theointment of several supreme court justices,

something we are now seeing the ramifi will affect the country for a long period of time. in november, i believe it will be joe biden, will probably be able two supreme court justices. beyond whatever is on the ballot, what is at stake, the supreme court also is, to. guest 2: yeah. the supreme court is typically not a big issue in campaigns. it does kitchen table issues, if you look at the polling. obviously trump is pretty proud of the supreme court that he was able to they have been deciding cases based on principles, which for republicans is a good thing. i don't know if this will be a top-tier issue for most think though, that abortion will be ang that republicans to message on and discover where the voters are. but i just don't large, the supreme court is going to be that big of a camping issue in the fall.

guest 1: just to slightly push back on the roe and ivf are es for millions of people around this country. and i do think you are right generallyak is not going play a factor in elections like this, but they have gone and ejected these kitchen tab issues anyway i have not seen in my lifetime. guest 2: on ivf, i think there's a broad partisan support on ivf. the supreme court has not ruled on ivf at i mean, i thirtisan support. guest 1: there were just a dozen u.s. senors who on ensuring no -- guest 2: yeah. but that was a technical disagreements democrats, but there is temperatures legislation that make sure it guarantees legality. i don't think republicans are going to come in any way, at least national republicansagainst ivf. you can't stop it.

guest 1: i hope you are right. i think the senators who vono on it have a lot of explaining. host:'s hear from michael in pittsburgh on the republic in line. good morning, michael. caller: good morning. thank you so much for c-span. i just wanted to call, because i was wondering, i did not catch the entire conversation with yourdered if they saw the trump rally in detroit? my wife and i wanight on tv. we don't catch all his rallies. how many times can you say the border was closed and now it is open?au but he does repeat himself a little bit. but the guy has a way oo matter what the crowd,them. and he has detroit, high minority population, high probably muslim population and yet he certainly wowe crowd.

and i thought it was a speech, and it's funny because i saw him, i did see him come i watched his inaugural speech after he won in 2016, and i thought he gave a great speech then. o -- he said, i want to be president to all the people. and last night, the same thing. he spoke to thecks in the audience but he did not cater to them to he did not do like so politicians do, they say and go i'm going to do this do that for you and divide all the groups. he said, i'm here for all americans. and he gave a grepe and afterwards some of t s media come out and paste him as -- a racist and wise premises, and they could not say anything good about him. i just thought -- my question for john and your other guests aresee the speech, and number two what did they think about his ability to bring minorities, young people, blue dog

, who probably have never heard a trump speech beforey my point. guest 2: yeah. thanks forl. the trump rally's arephenomenalunusual in their construction, because he kind of rambles on. every campaign speech, a stump speeches b you supposed to be saying the same thing over and over again, control the message. trump does not always do that. he's kind of a jazz player and rips on politics for an hour and a half, it entertaining, pretty hilarious. he's got a great sense of humor, which he attracts these huge crowds, because you are never quite sure what he's going to say. so there's an excitement there. he goes on the edge on occasion, because he wants people ginned up. i think that him goingdetroit, went to new york city he's going after tradidemocratic constituencies, and it drives the democrats

crazy. some polls show he can get up vote especially after american males are attrac anyhi males. he is going to try to change the ional party structures.acy, by direct retail, going ri and talking to these folks and not catering to them but appealing tosires to be part of the bigger community, to do better, to have a better eco and have safer communities. and i think is a very smart strategy, and, frankly only trump can talk about being called a racist they called george w. bush aacist, they called georgeh a racist, that's what democrats do. time, people get sick of that. i think that is why trump is

so well with his constituents, because these attacks have been forever -- andor 35 years -- forever this has of it. guest 1: first of all, i did not catch speech last night. relative to calling trump a racist, i mean, you know, he did call all mexicans "rapists" and drug dealers, not to mention his massive problem back when he was in development and he was a landlord. nning in 2015, we heard over and that we would buil china that we will win, we will repeal and replace obamacare. on the truck to fill as stadiums as he would like, and not filling them. he was president for four years. he controlled most chambers for two of those years. nothing he laid out actually ha policy that went and solidified the tax code the mega w code that put in place a game plan that would go and expire tax breaks on working people on

this country. donald trump can continue to ntinue to spin like of the day, very different. nd a record, and he cannot attend a record, so it is just speaking in verbose terms and phrases with hothe io appeal to folks to put them over the finish line. donald trump has never won a majority of the vote in this i do know he won the election in 2016. i'm not contesting that point. but i think victory becomes challenging as people vote more and more, especially following labor day. i think relative to his appeal to folks who typicallyn' republicans look young people wh be with joe biden. joe bidenhe most to him, whether it isefng people's civil liberties or taking incredible time and action, joe biden is the donald trump is part of the of ron desantis two does not believe climate change is real. host: on the topic of voter he groups that both president biden andvying for is the latino vote.

inoday" earlier this week, there was an op-ed t and president of voter latinaonalrtwing state voter some of this will be an important pti?6 hç'ghoty candidates, if even it means choosing the one they count on this historical pattern, bringing kennedy supporters back inas support fordy are squarely outside the tent and it's going to take real work to get them back." going to take major work, what does that look like, what could that look like? i think it looks like exactly what is happening. the biden campaign has over 200 field offices, over 500 staffers in these battleground states. they are taking nothing for granted. this is a persuasion election, and the best way to persuade f one-on-one conversations. the biden, the four years story to tell, an incredible story goes filled with of the american people. many people forget about how bad things were four years ago

today. schools were closed, we cannot theaters, we were all wearing masks and we were morgues outside of hospitals in the throes of the covid pandemic. fact rebuilt america from that. i the democrats to get out there and tell that story. i think that story a centerpiece on one thing, economic opportunities. an economic opportunity that is focused on addressing inflation capping the cost of prescription drugs, ensuring that folks have ceffordable, quality health care, and making sure people know that they have a president who actually cares about them. we heard former president trump say last week, i don't votes. we see in joe be the controller in chief. he is someone who believes in the country, wves in the people of this country, and makes sure that everything he st of those people. guest 2: i think the more interesting thing about that poll is bobby kennedy. he isf what is going to happen with this race. that is fascinating in that both trump and biden were like, hey let's have a debate robert

kennedy. i think if kennedy were on the debate stage, it would be ainteresting dynamic to see how hose votes. he's not really getting a lot from both camps, so you see both trump and biden trying to ir best to either ignore orand you look at what maria said there, this is a problem because i think a lot of democrats,f young voters, who might vote for trump are really intrigued by kennedy. we willhat happens. it's going to be interesting. the one thing thatse two campaigns both agree on as they do not want robert kennedy to get more than 5% of about. host: according to 538 and their aggregate at 41%40%, and kennedy at 9.2%. let's hear from clyde in oklahoma calling on the democrat line. good morning, clyde. caller: good morning.

i've got a question.when was the constitution signed? of the united states? guest 2: it was signed them i thint was an, 1789 was when it went into effect. host: wr on clyde? caller: that's basically when democrats republicans started pier 1 guy said something, when did they start , basically, the republic really started when had the rebellion down thereis second to none in history. you don't read the bible enough these it either. peald trump is in there but they don're. everything you're talking about in the republican partywell, i tell you, it will sneak wrought iron sword of truth, and they will not be able to handle that, either. k any response. guest 2: no. i rele several times.

i in fact have an undergraduate degree in theology. i have not seen donald trump in there, but i am catholic, so maybe my bible is different. [laughter] host: we will go to ruben in good morning, ruben. caller: yes, good morning. . that democrats try to just come all the things he's doing, he is delusional. joe bidenn politics for 51 years already. and look at how many wars are going on. we've gotica at the moment with this sentinel -- fentanyl. in my gr high school year after joe took office, four students in one month school died, because all th illegals are bringing in this sentinel all over the united states. that is a war in itself.

over 300,000 have died already. and then everybody who has died in israel, everybody who has died in japan and all the united states embassies that have been closed all over, saudi arabia and all them areas everywhere him and hunter biden they leave a path of destruction. guest 1: w fentanyl crisis is a real problem and i think most voters, frankly look at it as a problem of an open border cartels move the fentanyl income and it it really has destroyed the middle part you know suburban schools, it has had a schools. it is something parents really are concerned about, and i think that, whe illegal immigration, we talk about an open border, you know, generally speaking, there has been kind of an embracing of

immigran. immigrants are really to what america is all about. but, if you have illegal drugs coming in it becomes a personal security issue and parents moms and ask, fathers, they are veheir children taking a bad pill that comes from a merchant, a drug cartel. they have reasons to be because people are dying and have been dying at very alarming rates. the caller says we are at war with the drug cartels, he is not wrong. they are at war with us. and i'm not sure if the political bosses have really done enough. i know congress is concerned about should be, but when voters look at the mess at the think it directly impacts their lives, and i think that is on joe i think, at the end of the day, there has theoid epidemic and drug problem in this country did not begin on january 20 2021.

.this has been an ongoing battle. i think, you know frankly several leaders share the blame in this, going back decades. this is a situation where it certainly will take bipartisan effort to, you know, i look back to the immigration vote i spoke about earli's a bipartisan bill, thesenate worked together. the white house was fully supportive of it, and trump got on the phone with mike and told him no, because he wanted to make sure that the democrats and joe biden did not you know he wanted a win on the matter. i think if they stop playing this, go and address the order, and i think joe biden completely agrees with that. in fact, he issued a pretty aggressive executor order last is one trump tried building the wall, he was stopped stone cold by the democrats. they actually campaigned aga the idea of having a wall. then when biden got in, he basically said, you know, come on then, folks. and you saw that because illegal immigrants were coming in with you know supporting joe biden,

because they were able to get in the country. the topics here, trump had a history, and he has been attacked for it, as being somebody who really wanted to close the border, and biden is someone who wanted to open the border. this is why the voters will blame biden more than they blaine trump. guest 1: donald trump and republicans were in charge for two years. if they want certainly could have here the whole notion that donald trump is tough on immigration is complete hogwash. we were in the throes of the pandemic, no one around the world was moving anywhere for that period!x. naturally,the board in terms of migration is going to go up as the pandemic ceased. the notion that is crazy to me. host: this is chris in michigan, calling on the republican line. good morning, chris. caller: good morning. first of all, i was out the speech that donald trump made last night could i was there and he did a great job. that man loves this country, he

loves america. he could have easily had went somewhere to retire. instead, he chose to help this country and its time of need. second of he did more for black people than joe biden ever guest 2: i did not have a chance to watch trump can be very entertaining, and he's going hard after votes thatraditionally have not voted for republicans in the past, and i think he will do better than people think of i think it is important to rome i'd folks what patriotism -- remind folks what patriotism looks like, whether draftodging and calling them losers, patriotism is people who are ifice everything for this nation. it is unclear to me how donald host: monte in providence on the democrats line. good morning, monty. caller: thank you. was holding on for a while, but thank you. i wantpick tim scott, pick byron

donalds, go ahead, please do. please do. another thing was, ll my life. i get a job, on hired from every time. i've been going through this all my life. of 2021, i've had more in my life, in all my life, than i've ever had come from 2021 until now. i'm retired, i don't have to work no more, and i'm blessed. ad and pick tim scott. he's one of them gank you. guest 2'm not sure if he's going to pick tim scott. i worked with tim scott's ce the past. he's a very -- he's in it for all the exact right really smart guy. he really understands taxpolicy, and he understands small business. he's a former insurance company person. and really, you know, i think he would be a great choice. i'm not sure if they are going to pickuld be a great vice president, and a

for president. host: beth in maryland, calling on the line. good morning. caller: good morning. thank you. my concern is what donald trump said in a speech and i can't remember when, but he did say if he does not win the election then the'ng to be hell to pay or something in that manner. so i'm just not win, there's going to be another january 6. two, i'm concerned about age. both men are showing their age as wel, and it is very concerning, so those aregs. going with a third party even if i -- there's only two parties, i would have todark and just throw it at one and say ok, i think that, because it is pretty scary. [overlapping conversations]1: i hope you don't take a dart and throw it at one. [laughter]

take a look at the stakes and who best aligns with a i think the contrast is abun the working people through their record and who is joe biden's with working people, donald trump is withwe saw this in 2021 when we try to certify. we bunch of insurrectionistl. there's something about the footage that day we saw people like elise stefanik taking coverage of the capitol building, now she's calling towards something of there's like a twist of delusions for that event. to be concerned about the way they will behave. bear in mind, the only president who won the popular vote in this country once in the last six elections. using as our again cared when it comes to age, look both men arethat is deftly a concern of some joe biden has had a incredible

track record of success in terms of passing legislation in, terms of traveling around the world and basicallyfaith as a global leader. that is something that joe age, is incredibly accomplished. and, you know, too joe biden is on a bike two or three times a week. i think if you wanted to give people of this humor, joe biden should challenge donald trump to a bike race, because i don't think donald trump would do it well. guest 2: i'mn ride a bicycle or not. i do know that time is undefeated. biden has slowed down dramatically. this is why the vice presidential choice is going to be who wins in the white house. both trump and biden are older. n i9to be a lot older, and seems to be slowing down dramatillthat is why

people really want kamala harris to be president ibiden slows down this much. i just do not know if that is where the voters are. guest 1: do think in some way there has been this strange dynamic where as donald trump acts more unhinged in his tweets , hish about the shark and the battery-powered and things of that nature is completely unhingedwe talk about preparedness and the ability to do the job, i think the american public will get the opportunity to evaluate at the upcoming debate. host: it is goingo election. 538 this week launched their presidential prediction website. showing times, biden times out of 100. they noted they will be running

that everyday. u can check the website to see where that stands. your prediction? guest 1: i think people top. i tend to think trump will wingger than people think. people will vote to make a change at the top. i thin wbe by a bigger think. guest 1: the kids will be back in school andto understand the stakes of the upcoming presidential race. that point, it will be abundantly clear where joe biden is on the issues and where donald trump is on the matter. the end result is joe biden will win by a bigger margin then in 2020 people understand the stakes and they understand who is best prepared to lead them forward.the chaos of the trump years compared to the stability o house? we saw it play out in 20 in a series of gubernatorial races.

people want stability much more than they nt chaos. host: democratic strategist joe caiazzo and republican strategist john feery thank you both for being here today. next or later this morning the 2024 g7 summit and the state of global democracy with the brookings institution's michael o'hanlon. e are going to hear from more of you about your public policy issues ofen forum. you can start calling in now. 202-748-8000. democrats, 202-748-8001. independents, 202-748-8002. we will be right back. > tune into c-span's live

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and to john, what i would have is, you are supporting a guy that disturbed, who was called a malignant narcissist, and you say he has a good sense of humor. tell me any time has ever told a joke about humiliating people or making fun of them. that is why i will be voting for joe biden. again, i would be voting for anybody against the person i seriously believe will be a danger to this, and that is donald j. trump. nessee, it is a democracy and it has been called a democracy for a long time. our founding fatherswords republic and democracy interchangeably. at 74, i may have to drop on you on that. that is it. thank you. amber in morning. caller:my question would be, what

is wrong with a country that would have two parties, which it al does not, it is uniparty, having peoplere a war president who has already started world war iiiit yet, that is our criminalsically, and has been all of his life. that is the choices that we have. neither of the people you had previously discussed what are the really important issues. the previousler addressed the one whichcurring to the american people within our borders. the second thing is what is happening to the united state as the leading country that is becoming and is a warmongering political state now. those are the two issues that sh voters because the alternatives posed in november do ni do not know what the alternative is. 73, i am a retirede no

answers. i think the country is think people are totally of whatis occurring. that is all i have to y. in on the independent line. are you going to vote in the november election? do you know for whom? caller: yes. i alwaysi really vote for either party. i will be for the person that has represents. that person is professor cornell i will vote for him as a write in w if americans would listen toeven for 30 minutes, they would know more about this country and where we stand than any other political person i have heard this yearelections. host: rick in manchester missouri, calling on the republican line, good morning.

thanks for taking my call. lied to hear thegentlemen. he has made a couple of points. i will voted trump. the gentlem before was right about the history of trump, con men, what have you, he made his way in the business world with previous dealings. what trump did not accomplish pretty fighting against him the whole time. he was put into office t trouble he ran into was the covidd of his tenure. i do not think anybody was prepared to handle that. that is my thoughts. i am voting for trump. i believe he is the strongest immigration and has been all along. he has the same position barack obama 1it is interesting howhaturned. hunter been a wreck. way has devalued our currency incredibly. thank you. host:

missouri. om "the new york times" this the article says of the 23 remaining them potentially reshape significant parts of american society. it talksks about some of thosecases, still to come, decisions about whether mr. trump will face charges on whether he tried to subvert the election, whether the attacked the capital may be prosecuted under the federal obstruction law whether emergency rooms and statestrict abortion, whether the government may disarm people under tthree cases on how the first movement applies to social media platforms, three cases seeking to limit the power of administrative agency, the effort topurdue pharmathat would shield members of the wealthy family and a challenge to laws set to make homelessness a crime. let's he artie in new

jersey calling only democrats' l ine. i'm calling because it is an rrto our democracy that we have a felon running for president when we felons who cannot even vote. host: jerry intucky on the independent line, good morning. caller: i want to bac said about trump being in the bible. 6:16, 19 says a false witness thatloud. does that sound like anybody we know? c-span. hope everybody have a great day. host: jesse in michigan calling in on the democrats' morning. my name is jesse. i am 92 years old. i have seen a lot in my life. i was born in mississippi. for me, it was a living -- host: go ahead, jesse. yes, i am still on.

host: could you turn your television down in the background? caller:bscan you hear me now? host:ur tv. can you turn it off? there you go caller: ok, i am back. let me speak. host: on the democrats'-- host: there? caller: i am here. opinion. host: go ahead, you are on. call i was born in mississippi which for me was a living hell. in mississippi as a blacn, you did not have a name. your name was the n-word. [television in the background] i want to finish my thought. can you turn it off? host: sorry, i think we are having some issues. you have to keep the television rd to listen to your television with a delay and the show live when you are on air.

let' hear from south dakota on the republican line. good morning. caller: g morning. everybody is bashing trump. but do you know whatthis biden guy is horrible. trump cares about us. he country. he is wealthy and he truly cares. the borders were not open under trump. i watched joe biden say, "come on in!" and they have come on 10 million, 12 million, drugit is absolutely upsetting. i am 61 years old. the dude cannot even speak. i am so upset. inflation was 1.4% when trump was in there. now it is like a percent or -- 8% or 9%. mortga rates are like 8% now. how are these young kids going to make it?

all they want to do is pay off their student loans. you knowhat? my son and i paid off his. we should not have to be paying off all of these other people can get somjoe biden, his son, dollars from russia ukraine, china. you know what? i pray to god that comes out because this is a bad news guy. why do you think china and russia are doing these wars together? it is just really upsetting to watch all of thesethese wars were not started under trump. el this is so upsetting. news media does not even tell people what is going on, so people neededit is very upsetting. thank you. host: can draw in spokane washington, on the independent line -- kendra, on the independent

line. caller: i just think we do not have enough balance in our nation. the left are too far leftare too far right. i think the american people have had enough of the pachaos of both parties and candidates. we need a new face. the democrats want to take away our gun rights. republicanst women's rights. there is no balance. i not discriminating against people that are gay. i used to be gay, but i did not go prancing around in in front of children in a pride parade. i think that needs to be secured by policeicers and no one under 16 should be able to attend and people should be arrested for indecent exposure in their underwear. it i crazy on the left side and the right side is too --ey want to ban abortions completely. i do not beli morals and values. host: are you going to vote in election? caller: i do not really want to

vote because i do not like t i am upset about it. host: we will go to tgood morning. caller: good morning. you? host: doing well, thanks. thanks for taking my call. i watch every morning. i think you are beautiful. a few comments. talking about different people doing different stuff. they talked nevada, for example. he ask people, how hot is it? he was sweated. people said do not die. i do not care about you. everybody talks about how much he lthis goes back to the nevada thing. the other thing isl as americans complain about everything. to get together

and work to make things better. nobody wants due. i think we should stop all the fighting and arguing about who is getting things done for the ould be better off. that is what i would like to thank. day. host: david in caller: good morning. yes, ma'am. i just got a question here. already know there is no way on god's grarth that ukraine is going to defeat that war has been going on for 100 years. they need to bring them to the negotiating table so we keep footing the bill for them people. people left ukraine when they died, you know, when the started. that is all, you know. something needs to be done about that. it is just throwing money away.

th to the negotiating table and give them what they want. that is my comment. host: in yonkers, nod morning, kay. caller: good morning. john the american economy isbody do realize that. one thing i wanted to ask john was about the indtter as na speak. i would like to think the united states. one thing most people do is fight for their conscience and the people. thetruth. the fact is the united states is still doing better than most of the world. our laws and principles are being abused. a talking point today is thinks they

follow the fundamental we follow our laws, what do we have? what are we basinis society on? just radicalism and these kinds of things? i think everybody needs to step back for a moment ande direction we are going in and if this is what we want for country infighting and ing, and all these other things wouldot get us anywhere. i think the present presidency needs to be given a chance to see what will happen. i vote on different sides of the aisles. for president reagan, make $1000 a year.

clinton came in. he balanced the budget. the economy was good. there was a surplus. george bush came, there was a bankruptcy in the midwest. in from a wrecked economy from bush and balanced the country back. president bush came in and look what he has done for us. i do not understand what is going on and what people are basing their points and view on. host: your point. we are going to get in one more call. go to mark in florida on the independent line. good morning mark.happy father's y to independent. i would like to discuss the immigration problem that we are having. sides are wrong. i think the democrats need to many drugs and criminal

and the sex trafficking going on. understand our birth rate is down and we need peopls country. we will not be able to deport millions of people. that is not going to happen. we need to work together and find a way to have these invis citizenship and have them pay a fine over we need to strengthen the border. we need recognize that to stop the flow of drugs and criminals. if we look at other european nations and see what they are doing, the individuals to come in. can i have specific laws and rules in order to become a citizen. we need to look at them how they are doing. let's look athow is israel staying safe all of these years? they have very strong laws. we need a national language that we all speak. keeping multiple languages here is contiinto keep us divided. we cannot work together if we cannot understand each other. even c to unify

under one language after having le languages, i think in the 1950's or 1960's that they mandarin. let's look at the rules of other countries. i think we can solve the border. i think both sidesnjoy having this insanity going on because ded and allows individuals to continue to run orone other thing i seek we could all limits in the senate and congress. i know many of my friends will say we do have term limits, it is called electionus feel we can only votelican or democrat, and it is unfortunate. the presidency has term limits. why not all three branches of government have term limits? and that includes the supreme court. again, happy father's day, and thank you for tat is it for today's open forum. next, we are going to talk institution

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our nonprofit operations anytime. >> "washington journal" continues. host:elco discuss the 2024 g7 global democracy is michael o'hanlon, brookings institution senior fellow and foreign policy research thanks for joining us. g7, the summit that happened this past remind our viewers what the g7 is and the mem guest: the g7 is originally the rl biggest economies and of government. it is the united states and canada from north americ britain france, gthere was a time when it included russia. obviously, we cannot really do normal business with russia. it is a democracy anymore and it is not really a large market economy exceptor specific sectorsit is four european

countries, two north japan. there is a lot of talk about whether membership sh cgiven south korea's economy is there are other countries in europe roughly comparable to italy like poland and spain. india is now the world's most populous country and has had a lot of economic successyou could imagine this could broaden. that reason, we also have the g20 which is more represennge of countries throughout the world, not just the western big, economies. a smaller group in which they can make decisions unencumbered by huge numbers participants. it is meant to be an inner core of like-minded aalmost all of them nato members except for japan treaty. there is also the security side embeddn the members you just mentioned met in italy last week.

the 50th g7 summit. what is the purpose of the who participates in the discussions? guest: italy hosted. that is just because itthe idea any one particular host dominate pretty probably getbut the main thing is to address what is crucial and topical about that particular month and year. president ze joined the summit this year because a lot of the discussion was aboutyoulls that russia owns are held in western fina institutions, in g7 countries, most in europe. at the summit, it was agreed we are not going to confiscate russia's $300 billion at this e going to start using interest earned by that $300 billion essentially underwrite a loan given to ukraine so that ukraine will get an additional $50 bil ey say.

that will be the timing. the way in which that loan will be underwritten or paid off by the interest earned on russia's $300 billion i assets. that is a pretty of what has been a tough issue for a long time. people felto take that russian money because russia is causing all that damage ton an unwarranted war of aggression. on the otherlarkey with financial assets people are not going to want to hold their money in western banks going forward. so, there has been a real reluctance to take this money. the compromise now is to use theinterest but leave the assets alone. not give them back toin fact, there is a statement to the effect that russia will only ends and russia his help compensate ukraine for now, it will be this that was probably the single biggest idea that came out of etagain, president zelenskyy was there a support for the g7 from his country. host: president biden met with

president zelenskyy. they held a press conference. signed a long-term ukrainian support agreement. what can you tell us about that? guest: has said biden may only be president for another eight months that nonetheless we are goiand make a deal, i guess seven months, sorry, deal that would hopefully be respected by future of which there will be at least two over a 10-yeartherefore, biden cannot lock anybody into tanhi it without congress providing this court and the money, but the implication -- providing the support and the money, but the implication is we will give ukraine support. no new treaty that would oblige american troops to come to ukraine's defense, we are not going that far, but we are will try to show that we have your back for the long haul. and probably notice is other american this 10-year promise. i do not believe even donald trump has criticized it.

is less than enthusiastic about the long-term commitment to ukraine. it is hard to disagree withhedea that we should help ukraine survive as a nation for a decade. i biden is looking for ways within his power to give a long-term commitment at a time when vladimir is watching us h time agreeing to that $61 million aid package go through until a couple of months ago, watching ukraine be a cign trail. the goal as biden can goropriate funds in this agreement but send a strong rhetorical and diplomatic message that the united states has ukraine's back. one hopes not only does that encourage stthen the ukrainian people but it graduall arrogance that somehow time is on his side and russia's side when we think about how this war will end. that was thejust how welleen. host: we are talking with

michael o'hanlon about the 2024 g7 summiat took place this past week in italy. if you have a question or comment for him, you can start calling in now. 202-748-8000. democrats, 202-748-8001. independent, 202-748-8002. the countries you mentioned typically work well together. they can come to consensus on a lot of issues. but israel is an exception to what happened at the tiddle east, what is happening in the middle east? guest: in these meetings, the goal is to disagree closed doors and present a face to the public that is more unified. therefore, the public discussion of gaza was to show president biden's cease fire which in theorymi netanyahu's.

the basic idea is to stop fighting right away to allow huma aid to come in at scale. and to initiate discussions between hamas and israel that would make the cease fire permanent if possible so that the war not continue. that would not be the initial goal. the initial goal would be to simply have talks. then the temporary cease-fire could be extended as long as the talks were shown progress. basic understanding of the proposal. everybody is willing tots. there needs to be some kind of well. the united states and many friends in the region like jordan believe there should be a two-statet the palestinians should get their own country. that has been u.s. policy for a long time. prime minister netanyahu has not been an enthusiastic supporter of that policy. hamas hass's right to exist outright. parties are a long way away from being able to envision that. even thoughountries in the

region support that and the united states has supported that vision for decades it is pretty hard to get the parties to agree to it rightow.therefore, that maybe the real reason they do not want the cease fire in the short term. they know it would push them to settlement neither one is enthusiastic ag7 communique was supportive of biden's proposal of his cease fire plan. host: we have callers lined up with questions for you. st with raymond in seminole, florida, on the democrats' line. goodcaller: how are you doing? host: doing well, thanks. caller: i wanted to say that was democrat, to watch him wander off stage. i felt so bad former foerloni. she is theshe had to keep everything going. macron at one point gave her a nudge like, can you go get him?

that was embarrassing. guest:biden was apparently flocking off to speak to someone as with an agenda decided to make him look like he was a senileo it was disinformation. ms of people trying to sell newspapers or try to make biden look bad. i'm not here to defend biden should be running for president. i do not think he should be. i think he is too old. this it was not an exof him showing absentmindedness. this was him going up to greet others not shown in the footage. host: we will go to stephen in connecticut on the independent line. caller: hi, michael. i have been following you since the iraq war like a fan boy. about drones, i was reading about the battle of petersburgrecursor to world war i. you saw the gatling gun entrenesin ukraine that

they are doing 300 to 400 drones a day. we are doing through forests. they have attacked drones. even ukraine starting to have early ai drones. is the u.s. army prepared for any of this? guest: excellent question.we are usually slow in the u.s. military to adapt toto give one example, thanks for your long-standing support. i have been in washington about 85 years. when i got my first job at the congressional budget office, the services were designing the joint strike fighter. it was in the research and development stage. are still building the f-35 today. that is a 35-year acquisitprogram. we way the department of defense often builds weapons. the good news is the pentagon has creat teams to watch the

ukraine war in real time anddithe most important battlefield lessons and get those over tohe office of the under secretary of defense for as well as parts of the military weaponsthe army, navy, air force marine force, space force. the whole system is moving along, as well as the undersecretary for research and development. sometimes there are innovations ukraine certainly, ukraine has battle tested them before we haveit is an effort to have various kinds of more quickly and be more agile smaller amounts of money millions as opposed to the billions uwhen buying big weapons systems big youed. you are also correct to keep asking the question because we

this kind of technology you have to be. wanted to circle back quickly on the earliert biden at the g7. this headline from "usa today." biden was giving thumbs up to skydivers, not wandering in viral g7 video. let's go to bill in florida on the independent line. goornicallwhen the ukraine weg ago, the first weekend, secretary of state blinken was on the news shows saying our goal is to blunt the advance, i distinctly we were going to blunt their advance. what exactly is our goal here? every wee is phrased and i cannot understand what is the goal of the united states in very specific terms. in world war ii, our goal unconditional

surrender. the most disturbing thing to me it is not articulated what we are trying to accomplis guest: excellent question. goal has been to help ukraine survive, to make sure russia could not overthrow the government and mbe even take the whole country which seemed to be putine beginning. then we wanted to make sure ukraine could hold off 80% of its land it was still in control of when was slowed and reversed. our goal was to help ukraine liberate all the territory they originally ed from the breakup of the soviet union through 2014 one putin first started his attacks on ukraine and sold sold the crimean peninsula as well as fostering violencen goal is still in theory to help ukraine liberate all its territory and develop robust

defense. caller said, that does not seem very realistic. we want to give ukraine one last chance to build up offensive capability and try it next year. they probably will not have e opportunity to mobilize the larger military they would need to try this year. this year, they are more defensive with russia on the there. the goal is still to help them get back a of their country which is about 18% of their territory which is held by russia. i do not think that is an adequateeven though it would be nice to see that happen, we need a fallback. i think most to coalesce around the idea not to thiin terms of the korean war roughly along the lines of where they are today although it would be nice to see ukraine get some land back certainly no worse and then have some kind o robust long-term security arrangements.

a lot of favor ukraine joining nato is the best idea, but some kind of anchor that would assistance and maybe direct promises of combat help or assistance if russia attacks again. that is becoming the unstated set of goals. some are more frequently articulated than others. t biden still says ukraine should be allowed to try i do not blame him for hoping for that. but it does not or me or the earlier caller or most scenario. if that is the go, you are probably in for a very long war. i think we have to do a rious reassessment next year. the newly elected president body else, should in early 2025 goals we can realistically seek to help ukraine achieve and adapt our policy accordingly. in the cards. the idea of complete liberation

is probably not going to happen. host:'s hear from mary in florida calling on the republican good morning. caller: good morning. just calling to say about the g7 summit and the pictures that were shown of president biden looking away from the camera you are sayingd not do what everyone is seeing. right. caller: i think mosthe could have, if you are saying he was complement in the skydiver, he could have done that off-camera. the other leaders were looking straight at the camera. this presidne and walked away. it is not his first time. this president is senile. he is noty any good. he is making up and lying like he has done for a young person.

i been interested in politics for many years and i have heard his very tall tales. he is not a truthful person and never was. he is not doing good to this he is not doing any good. us in every way possible. there is russianps off the state where i live. people that should not be in this country that are killing, raping our citizens when they should not even be here. thank you. t: by point through that but let me say two things. wes in two weeks becausehe debate is coming up june 27. we do not have to decide which clique was real. i'm quite confident president biden was not wandering aimlessly.

but i have already neither was running for president. they both are old and i would th crop, but i did not think either isen in less than two weeks. i would also i years with president biden, i personally think he is an honest man. politicians may tell tall tales or stretch the truth. i do not agree with all of rarities. i do not agree with the decision to pull out of syria. i am prepared to make criticisms but i think henorable, honest person. you had the opportunity to make the opposite statement. host: this headline in the political e.u. edition says class at 2024, the looked more like the last supper than reaction? guest: cleveg by politico. these six leaders, lame ducks or

have more power than politico you, or me, or anyone else. they are still in office and ortant powers on earth. is likely to lose office this summer with elections in about three we olaf scholz in germany is not likely to have the tenure of angela merkel, what he is still the chancellor of germany at the moment. president biden still has a 50/50, maybe 45/55 chance to win still the president of the most powerful country on earth for the next seve is a fun headline but a little bit of a low blow. host: let's hear from frank in johnson city tennessee, on the independent line. good morning. caller: good morning. i have a couple of simple cothis ukraine situationited states has been queuing that area up for

what we are starting to come into now since about 2008. it does not look good. as a matter fact, you mentioned russia stole crimea. i guess you could call it that, but is the situation. furthermore, if ukraine came under the russian influence what difference is that going to make to us? i thk the just oncwants all the natural resources of the area, including russia. this will be my as far as palestine and israel, think atthis is so deep in their dna that i am of the mind let them have added. i do not want to be part of it.

y father's day, everybody. bye-bye. guest:ou as well. there is no wayting for 3000 years because islam is only rs old as a religion, 1300. your point is well taken that it has been a long-standing conflict. i wish we could have some leaders arhe 1990's. they interested in sharing the land see now. that is the extent of my comment. ukraine and russia, i do not think the united states is after russia's or ukraine's resources although we would like to see the world economy benefit from both countries' products and we would like to see you mentioned something where we probab history of this putin developing a grudge against ukraine and the west. going back to the 2008 nato

summit in bucharest when nato members invited ukraine hypothetically some day into the alliance but did not extend a formal invitation or timetable i think that was a i am not blaming us for putin's aggression. left ukraine half bull's-eye on their back because we said we wante them in nato someday but gave no interim protection and no timetable. i think there were mistakes made along the way. probably a differentind of security architecture might have worked better and been less likely to create this kind of ruagain, i blame putin at a strategic, and political level for the aggression. we would have to worry more about nato countries being vulnerable. that is why i say it is an important more for us as -- war for us as well. i take your point. in the broader sense, i am not worried if the battle lines freeze where they are. it would be unfortunate for putin to be rewarded even

slightly for t aggrebut i think from an american point of view, we can stabilize the c sure ukraine survives as a country. thosenough for the good of american security. we do not necessarily need to see every inch of ukraine host: let's see if looking at one more call in. l go to dolores in maryland calling on the democrats' line. caller: morning. happy father's day to all oi am calling because i was going to talk about someone who is no weto have guns now. aside from that, back onto the g7, three things, basically. zelenskyy did notiani come up with lines about biden's. he was going to hold up the military aid because he did not get them to cooperate in those

types of corruptions. it seems they are being punished. i think putin wants trump back in because he will another thing, on october 7, it seems not like anything i heard before with any attack on israel with mercenaries in it seems like their signature attack is killing and rapingi was wondering if maybe somehow was connected with those mercenaries. i know they had a group. it seems like something they would do and not necessarily something hamas by itself would do. lastly, one thing about israelians. i think they are supposed to be

elite. why doesn't mossad go in and take out hamas tactically and strategically instead of carpet bombing innocent civiliansit seems in a shorter time, they uld have in and attack specificallywith the intelligence able to scan and get whoever is in the tunnels, they have that type of to tactically take out hamas. those are the only three questions ii will stand by and listen. guest: on time so i will answer the last piece. even though israel does have very good special forces and even though they have been used number of operations, it is very difficult fighting the

amount of infrastructure hamas has built up. the number of hideouts are often co-located with civilian e very large numbers. i do not condone everything israel has done. israel has not carpet bombed, for they have been willing to use large weapons against buildings that may have underground bunkers but also have civilians living in them. i think israel has made tactical mistakes by not drawing a line innocent life, even when it might haveed risks to their own troopsi think israel needed to be more realistic and now needs to be realistic that they are not going to destroy hamas altogether. they need to weaken hamas as a fighting force and have some ability working with the international over the long-term to make sure hamas does not reconstitute. e just like we had to learn we could not destroy al had to destroy al qaeda as a fighting force and organization

that can plan attacks. israel also needs to have a more realistic set of objectives of what it can do to hamas. i think they are close to where they need to be and can realistically be already, which is why i als biden cease-fire proposal, justt week. host: brookingstitution senior fellow director michael o'hanlon thank you for joining us today. guest: thank you. best wishes to all. host: that does it for today's "washington journal." thank you to everyone who calle enjoy the rest of yourand happy father's day to all of the fathers and father figures out there. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2024] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute,úy