♪ host: this is the "washington journal" for september 26. vice president offered proposals and investments, while in north carolina the former president

discussed reducing corporate taxes and tariffs. we will show you what both had to say. to start the program we will ask you, which candidate do you think would do better on matters of the economy? if you say it is the vice president, call and tell us why. (202) 748-8000. if you say it is former president trump, (202) 748-8001, the number to call. if you think neither would do a good job call us at (202) 748-8002 to tell us why. and if you are not sure, (202) 748-8003. you can use that same number to text us your thoughts this morning and you can also post on facebook and -- at facebook.com/c-span, and on x. the washington times takes a look at both of those visits by the vice president and former president in various battleground states, talking about matters of the economy. the headline this morning for the washington times, both candidates wrangle over the pro-business mantle.

that is how they frame it, adding that ms. harris spoke at the economic club of pittsburgh where she assured republicans and business owners she was in their corner. she pledged to cut red tape and use government power to spur the private sector. mr. trump reminded folks that ms. harris had years to address america's economic and immigration woes. you can see both of those speeches by the candidates on our website at c-span.org. our free video app at c-span now. if you want to call us and tell us what you think about which candidate would do better on matters of the economy it is (202) 748-8000 if you say it is the vice president. (202) 748-8001 if you say it is the former president. if you think it is neither it is (202) 748-8002. and (202) 748-8003 if you are not sure. the vice president, in pittsburgh yesterday.

one of the things she talked about, those policy goals to help america build wealth. here is a portion from yesterday. vice pres. harris: i call my vision the opportunity economy. and it is about making sure everyone can find a job and more. and more. because, frankly, having a job, i believe, in our ambition and aspiration, should be baseline. and we should aspire and have the ambition and plan to do more. i want americans and families to be able to not just get by. but be able to get ahead. [applause] to thrive. be able to thrive. i don't want you to have to worry about making your monthly rent if your car breaks down.

i want you to be able to save up for your child's education. to take a nice vacation from time to time. i want you to be able to buy christmas presents for your loved ones without feeling anxious when you are looking at your bank statement. i want you to be able to build some wealth. not just for yourself, but also for your children and your grandchildren. intergenerational wealth. host: just a portion from the vice president yesterday. that was in pittsburgh. in north carolina it was former president trump addressing matters of the economy as well. particularly when it comes to tariff policy and manufacturing. here is a portion from his speech yesterday. >> in the world's reserve currency is under siege right now. a lot of people think we will not have the reserve currency. if we lose that that is like the equivalent of losing a war.

we will have it if i am elected president. we will have the world's reserve currency in better shape and every country will follow it. and if they don't we will put tariffs on that country and we won't trade with that country and then they will call us and say, we would love to have you continue to be the world's reserve currency. so easy. it is so easy, but you need the right messenger. you need the right messenger. she did not support domestic manufacturing. she killed 24,000 u.s. manufacturing jobs. in the last month alone we lost 24,000 jobs. you know, there is a reason for the interest rate cut from the fed. a big part of that reason is that our economy is doing really, really badly. kamala goes to work every day in the white house. families are suffering now, so if she has a plan she should

stop grandstanding and do it. just do it. you have a few months left. do it. host: a sample from yesterday on both speeches. tell us which candidate you think is better. surely in pennsylvania says former president trump will do that. surely, you are first up. caller: thank you very much. i want you to -- i want to thank you for taking my call. we know what trump can do. he has done it before. he was there for four years and we know how good our country was. and now we see what is going on, and we know how bad it is. when you cannot afford to buy groceries and feed your family you cannot afford to put gas in your car to get to work, and you see all of these people coming in from everywhere, and they are getting treated better than the american people who live here, work here, pay taxes, this is a crime. and, you know, i want to say one thing in the hope you will allow

me to say this. you know, they go on and on and on about how she never said anything about how bad biden was. host: we will stop up there only because we will keep it on matters of the economy. in alabama, a supporter of vice president. go ahead. caller: yes. when i look at the two as far as the economy go i think about the tariffs that donald trump put on china when he was president and -- hello? host: you are on, go ahead. caller: he had to pay the farmers $30 billion so that -- because their grain was rotting in their silos and they could not trade. that made the corn, wheat, soybeans, everything go up. ms. harris has a plan for small

business, first time homeowners, semiconductors, a plan for the future economy. i don't see how it is even a comparison, because trump, his father gave him $400 million. he squandered that. he don't have anything now. his business is gone. he had six foreclosures. i don't know how you trust a guy that handled this economy of america when he cannot handle his own personal economy. host: we have set up another line, by the way. if you think neither candidate will do a better job on the economy. jim, good morning. tell us why. caller: good morning. the thing that scares the health -- the hell out of me is the proposal to tax unrealized gains. this will cause the economy to implode.

all of the gains in private homeownership, businesses, everything will be up for grabs by the tax system. and this is insanity. we cannot do this. this just won't work. host: you expressed a sentiment that neither candidate would do the job. why is that? caller: i did not hear you. say that again. host: you say that neither candidate would do the job well, that is the line you called. tell us why. caller: i don't understand what the attraction to this unrealized profits tax is. host: ok. that is jim in maryland. the washington post took a look at recent polling, about how people felt about the economy

and candidates. although voters still favor the former president, donald trump, on handling the economy, his advantage has dropped dramatically in recent weeks as trump now averages a six percentage point edge on the economy compared with 812-point lead against president joe biden earlier this year. according to an analysis of five polls. a fox news poll this month found that 51% of registered voters favor mr. trump on the economy compared to 46% in favor of ms. harris. that is compared with a 15-point advantage that mr. trump had over mr. biden in march. your thoughts on which of these candidates would do the job on matters of the economy. in new jersey, a person who says it is former president trump. this is steve. hello. caller: hello. i am on the air? host: you are on. go-ahead. caller: thanks.

when i was an undergraduate i got a degree in economics. when i saw harris talks i don't think she understands the basic principle of supply and demand. even if i gave her a lecture. one thing that has been talked recently is about inflation. now, in 2021 biden and harris pushed through, i think it is called the american recovery act. that involved the spending and giving way of $1.9 trillion. 70% of that money was borrowed from the federal reserve, which is -- economics is called monetizing a debt. it is like creating money out of thin air. that is where inflation came from. now people want to vote for harris, they want to risk another round of inflation? go ahead. host: tell us why you think mr. trump would do a better job on the economy. caller: i think he has a basic

understanding of inflation, how it distorts prices. many assets become overvalued and create doubles. probably one that is coming up is probably housing. i live in new jersey and there is a great deal of real estate development and multifamily housing units. i can go from elizabeth to dunellen, new jersey on a train and that is all i see off of the rail when i'm on the train. host: ok. caller: finally i just want to say, you vote for harris, you will not be able to afford to go to the dollar store and buy anything. host: let's hear from anthony in arizona, who says that the vice president would do a better job on matters of the economy. anthony, go ahead. you are next. caller: thank you, teammate. and thank you, madam vice president, for coming to cochise

county fair this friday. i would like to say, pedro, if you got everything you wanted in life without any hard worker sacrifice, would you store it, and how long would you keep it? and the reason i say that is, do not be a servant and elected officials are public servants. and as far as working at mcdonald's, i can let the former president know i worked at mcdonald's, hardee's, and wendy's before i joined the military while i was a college student. host: anthony, why don't you elaborate why you think it is the vice president who would do a better job on the economy? caller: first of all, who can

bank a casino? obviously someone has done it in their past. number two, when you learn how to pull yourself up from the bottom, you might -- you meet people along the way. and if you are going to handle any type of economic, political, financial decision, you rely on others to assist you. if you go at it alone you lose. host: ok. ray is in tennessee. says it is mr. trump who would do better on matters of the economy. go ahead, ray. caller: yes. you got a look at both these people. i look at ms. harris as a -- how she talked about how she was going to fix everything.

she talks in circles. she has no understanding of business, and she just goes on and on about things. look, everybody has to be responsible for themselves. she is talking like the government is going to do everything for everybody. that don't work. if you got a brain and all you can see that is not working. donald trump believes he can bring people together in this country and give them jobs. that is what will give them prosperity. the government is going to give them prosperity. it has got to be themselves. everybody has to get a job. my granddaughter -- i'm 80 years old. my granddaughter is getting married, and her and her fiance, they pooled their money together, worked hard, she got a degree, she works hard, they are

buying them a house for the first time. but they are getting out there and they are doing it. host: that is ray in tennessee. those are the lines if you want to call and tell us which candidate you think will do better on matters of the economy. both of those candidates speaking yesterday. the vice president, (202) 748-8000. the former president, (202) 748-8001. if you say neither candidate, it is (202) 748-8002. and perhaps you are not sure at this time. (202) 748-8003. he was the former president with more criticism of the vice president on her approach to economics. >> no vice president in history has done more damage to the united states economy than kamala harris. she has no idea what she is talking about on economy or really on anything else. if you watched oprah the other day and he watched those answers, you would not even be thinking of her for president of

the united states, because we had four years of that in our country cannot take four more years of that, i can tell you. but twice she cast the deciding vote that caused the worst inflation in maybe 100 years. she abolished our borders and flooded our country with 21 million-plus illegal aliens. they came in from all over. think of it. they came from prisons and jails. they came from mental institutions and insane asylums. they are terrorists. they are criminal street gangs. they are ms 13. we took millions of people like this into our country and we are going to get them out and we are going to get them out fast, that i can tell you. no country can survive that. no country can survive it. but ask yourself, is anything less expensive than it was four years ago? where are the missing 818,000

jobs? remember, they said 800 -- and they were fake jobs. and they thought they would be caught, but they thought it was going to be after the election, not before the election. they had a leaker -- thank you, mr. leaker -- they had a leaker who leaked the fact that they falsify the numbers. nobody talks about it. press refuses to write it. we don't want to hear kamala's fate promises, even something like she worked very long and hard hours over french fries at mcdonald's. she never worked at mcdonald's. he was a fake story. it was a fake story. the press refuses to write it. this is a very simple one. she said she worked at mcdonald's and she didn't. on how sophisticated, not complicated. it was a lie. she never worked up mcdonald's over the hot french fries. i think i'm going to mcdonald's

in two weeks, actually. and i'm going to work the french fries because i will have work longer and harder at mcdonald's then she did if i do that even for half an hour. host: which candidate would do better on the economy? here is steve in texas who says it is the vice president. hello. caller: yeah, how are you doing? host: you are on. go ahead. caller: listen, i just want to say something. you know, trump is, for some reason these people think that he is such a great businessman. that guy has failed just about everything he has ever done. and he lies constantly. i don't understand how they can't see it, but anyway, like the guy said earlier, he can't even make a casino work, you know? harris, no, she studied, she learned. she was vice president of four years. i think she knows how the economy works and another thing,

on this inflation thing, it is her fault, it is their fault. let me hold a gun to these people's heads and raise these people's prices. it is just one thing that has happened. they have brought the inflation down. i don't know what these people expect. i think it is a no-brainer. vote for harris. thanks. host: gloria, who was on our not sure line. she is in san antonio. hello. caller: good morning. i'm amazed that people cannot see the lies that trump has spewed. still spewing vitriol, hates, and i cannot believe that people don't see this. he has bankrupted everything he has ever touched. everything that he has done he has lied about it. and vice president does not have that much power. host: gloria, you say you are not sure which candidate would handle the economy better. why is that?

caller: i would never, ever vote for trump. i am on the fence about harris. i don't really know that, but i don't really know. but i just feel that trump is not the person to get into power. and he inherited a great economy from biden. he is lying. he did not turn the economy around in two years. and the economy always takes a long time. it takes four to six years to bring it from one administration into the next. he is not responsible for the great economy. he is a liar. host: gloria in san antonio. some of you on facebook this morning, this is gerald saying we see the vice president has done the last four years. we know how great it was under the former president, t correct answer is mr. trump. greg sai the candidate who has

not declared bankruptcy, has not had to close a fraudulent charity. who is not facing a felony charge for cooking the books on a family business. rosa says one not running the economy at this time. then from jeff warshaw, off facebook, harris, is his choice, saying how did trump bankrupt a casino? if you want to post on our social media site, facebook.com/c-span is how you do that. you can always send us a text too. let's hear fro sean, who says it is the foerresident he will choose on matters oth economy. he is in maryland. hello. caller: thanks for taking my call. i think it starts and begins with the borders. we don't know how many the numbers are. you see them, they claim children living in cages. i'm looking in neighborhoods where there is nine families living in one house. i don't know how that is far

from different from being a cage. we are talking about nine adults working in a house and then multiple children. that is affecting property taxes. all of a sudden your schools are going to need to be increased. the demand for homes is going to go up. you have all of these multiple families living in a house. what do you think that is going to do when they start raising rents? we can absorb this amount of people. kamala harris and joe biden, this was their plan, to try to bring voters, and it is destroying us. and anybody listening to me, you know what is happening in your communities. i know you have seen it. host: in california, a supporter of the vice president on matters of the economy. hello. caller: hi. i support harris because she has spelled out so many of her economic policies and goals in a way trump has not. and the fact that ceos and business leaders are endorsing

harris tells us a lot. one candidate is lying and what is not. and only one killed over 500,000 people in the pandemic. host: when it comes to the vice president which economic policy do you think she has elaborated better than the former president? caller: even in the clips you showed this morning it showed she was really clear about the details of her policy, whereas trump has, like, ideas about apprenticeships, different kinds of economic things, and trump has just made wild promises. but i did also want to say that i really think that the propaganda about harris that somehow because she is vice president she should not have made all these changes, she is responsible for all of this stuff, the vice president has no power to set policy. she is not responsible for any of these things. the fact that that line is being

continually propagated -- host: that is violent in california. vice president offering criticisms of economic policy for the former president. she made these comments in pittsburgh yesterday. host: my opponent, donald trump, he makes big promises on manufacturing. yesterday he promised to bring back manufacturing jobs. if that sounds familiar, it should. in 2016 he went out and made that very same promise about the carrier plant in indianapolis. you will remember carrier then offshore hundreds of jobs to mexico under his watch. and it was not just there. on trump's watch off shoring went up and manufacturing jobs went down across our country. and across our economy all told

most 200,000 manufacturing jobs were lost during his presidency, starting before the pandemic hit. making trump one of the biggest losers ever on manufacturing. [applause] donald trump also talked a big game on our trade deficit with china. but it is far lower under our watch than any year of his administration. while he constantly got played by china. i will never hesitate to take swift and strong measures when china undermines the rules of the road at the expense of our workers, our communities, and our companies, whether it is

flooding the market with steel, inferior, or at all, unfairly subsidizing shipbuilding, or hurting our small businesses with counterfeits. recall, donald trump actually shipped advanced semiconductor there chips to china, which helps them upgrade their military. understand the impact of these so-called policies that not -- that are not about a plan for strengthening our prosperity or our security. i will never sell out america to our competitors or adversaries. never. [applause] never. host: again, that was the vice president from yesterday. you can see both of those from her and the former president on our website and our app too.

a couple of stories outside the economy. this is from federal news radio. congress passing a stopgap spending bill to avoid it shut down and prevent overseas federal employees from seeing a 22% cut in pay. the house and senate approved a continuing resution to extend current government funding. that will take placehrough december 20. meanwhile in new york wabc out of new york and others reporting this morning that the new york city mayor, eric adams, has been indicted in a federal corruption investigation. it has yet to be revealed, but that is making the news rounds today. also in international news the associated press reports that the u.s., france, and other allies have jointly called for an immediate 21-day cease fire to allow for negotiations in the escalating conflict between israel and hezbollah. those are some of the place -- things taking place outside of matters of the economy. we are asking you which

candidate are better on these things, do you think. we will hear from rock in new york. hello. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. listen, first of all, where i come from economically i think capitalism is heading for a crisis. while not sure who can handle it best. i believe eventually we are going to introduce profits and prices controls. but i'm not sure harris would have some ideas, but if she does not get the congress to go with her, the senate and the house, she will have real problems, you know? and trump, forget him, because he lies. forget it. i'm not sure if the next four years is going to be anything different, because you have to come up with different ideas. i don't see the -- these ideas coming through, except maybe a few of them for harris that probably makes sense if you dig into the weeds. she is trying different things.

trump is saying nothing, really. host: that is it for the first half-hour hour of this program. we will continue on and take morbid calls on other topics, including two members of congress joining us along the way to talk about matters on capitol hill, particularly with the passage of the short-term funding bill. republican congressman carlos gimenez of florida joining us up next. and around we will hear another perspective from democrat sean casten of illinois. those conversations coming up on "washington journal." >> he said we should not allow weapons that i used in war to be on american streets. while i wonder, tim walz, when will you ever in war? what was this weapon you carried into war, giving you a banded your unit right before they went to iraq and he has not spent a day in a combat zone? >> donald trump's running mate got called out about telling

vicious lies about immigrants. he said, i admit it. i'm willing to create stories to spread fear to drum up support for us. >> watched the cbs news vice presidential debate, simulcast live tuesday on c-span as minnesota governor tim walz and ohio senator jd vance take the debate stage and go head-to-head for the first time. coverage begins with a preview show at 8:00 p.m. eastern, followed by the debated on :00 p.m. cbs news buys presidential debate, simulcast live tuesday on c-span. c-span. your unfiltered view of politics. >> "washington journal continues. host: our first asked is presented of carlos gimenez. he serves on the armed services and homeland security committees. if you want to ask him questions, (202) 748-8000 is the line to call for democrats. (202) 748-8001 for republicans.

and (202) 748-8002 for independents. go ahead and call those lines and we will have you talked to him shortly. thank you for joining us. guest: my pleasure. host: what was your perspective last night that the house in all of its work on the budget only managed to pass a short-term deal? guest: look, the speaker was dealt a pretty tough hand. there are some people in the republican party that do not want to pass some of our appropriations. the senate has not passed any appropriations. this er was the only solution we had to keep the government running, and that is what we did. host: was the better perspective to offer this initially earlier without the safe act attached? guest: i think we needed to put the save act in there. it is important to the american people. the save act would guarantee that. it did not pass, but, you know, i'm glad that we got it turned around and the speaker did a tremendous job in putting it together.

we have the majority of both sides of voting for the continuing resolution, and so, you know, we will be back in december to pick it up again. host: i think a lot of people are worried about usually things get wrapped up in a so-called omnibus bill. do you think that is going to be the situation come the end of the year. guest: i don't think the speaker is going to be looking for an omnibus. maybe some minibuses and an additional cr, something to take us into march. but i would hope we would have some appropriations. especially defense and some of the things that are key to american security. that is what i'm looking for when i come back in november after the election, and then we are going to be pretty busy until the end of this particular congress. host: some of your colleagues said it is the idea of a omnibus at the end of the year. why couldn't you pass a full budget instead of having to resort to these matters? guest: you need the votes.

so, you know, some of the same folks that complained about certain things don't vote for it. you have to have the votes, and so in order to pass appropriations, and order to pass these minibus', you need to have the votes. some of these are controversial, there are differences of opinion even inside our own conference. this speaker, i think, plays the hand he is dealt pretty well. that is what is going to happen when we come back and i think the election results are going to have a tremendous impact on what comes out at the end of december. again, the elections are just around the corner. let's see what happens there and then we will come back to work. and hopefully we can, like we said, look, you need to up our spending on defense and matters of national security. and we need to start trimming down some of the cost in other areas because our deficit is somewhat out of control. and we need to face that sooner

rather than later. host: how much would you build defense and where would you make those cuts? guest: defense needs to be beefed up. the pacing threat is communist china. they are continuing to build up their military. as you know i've served -- i've serve on armed services. not only do we have to keep up, we have to keep ahead of them. they are building to a point where they want to be the dominant military power in the world by 2049, and i think they are ahead of schedule on that, and the dominant economic power by 2049. we in america cannot allow that to happen. i don't my children or grandchildren living in a world dominate by the chinese, and his party. that is where we need to start looking at. on the others, on the expenditure side i think there is a lot of things we can do and individual agencies. the number of employees we have. some of the things we may be doing that we shouldn't be doing as the federal government.

b states and local governments can do it better. that is one side, but also need to look at the revenue side. we need to increase our revenue. one of the ways to increase revenue is to start looking at some tax cuts. we also need to bring american corporations back to america, and i know that president trump is wanting to reduce the corporate tax rate. i think that is a great way to bring jobs back to america, to ensure our supply chain. and if not back to america, to nearshore it somewhere where our neighbors and friends here in this hemisphere are producing the things that we need. but, look, america has a lot of potential. a lot of resources. we need to, you know, take advantage of that is much as possible and start increasing our revenue and increasing our posture on the world. and energy is a great example of that. and so, that is one way we need to start and look at starting to reduce the deficit pet. but we need to start looking at reducing the deficit. we are almost at the point where

the interest payments on our debt actually surpasses our expenditures on armed services, and that just can't be. that is going to hurt in the end of the secured the united states. host: we will start with keith in maryland. good morning. caller: just a couple of statistics it is important to understand pre--- pre-cover donald trump lost manufacturing jobs. it only got worse from there. his debt pre-covered was $4.2 trillion. he ended up with an $8 trillion national debt. this job loss was 2.5 million jobs. hunter biden and harris 16 million jobs, 800,000 manufacturing jobs created. supports unions. i think if you look at statistics, it always blows my mind how they act like trump is better with the economy.

almost every objective measure he is not. not even close to being those things. so, the american people have a clear choice. democrats, and you can look at the statistics -- create jobs. look at the last 40 years, democratic presidents have created almost all of the jobs, and under republican leadership and administration they have lost jobs overall. like, one million or 2 million jobs. host: those are perspectives in both of those candidates talked about matters of the economy yesterday. guest: that's right. i'm glad to hear from the harris campaign worker. the harris plan calls for price controls, which have never worked. and that will put our economy into a tailspin. also it has called for increasing the corporate tax rate. tell me how that is going to increase jobs here in america. increasing the corporate tax rate is only going to make our jobs go away. president trump has a plan to

bring jobs back to the united states, reducing the tax rate most corporations that make things in the united states and is going to reverse the trend of this exporting of jobs to other places outside of america. the regulatory environment under the biden-harris administration is devastating to jobs here in america. so, we need to start deregulating. we need to start reducing taxes on corporations. we need to increase the number of corporations coming back to america, and that will increase american jobs. a lot of the stuff he talked about his due to covid. a lot of places closed down during covered because the government imposed sanctions to stop working. that is great. you can use statistics to paint a picture, but the matter is this. look, the majority of american people when you told them they say, who does a better job on the economy? it is the republican party who does a better job. who is going to do a better job on the economy, president trump or vice president harris?

majority say president trump will do a better job. is going to do a better job at the border? the vast majority of americans are saying president trump is going to do a better job than vice president harris. you can take out statistics all you want, but the american people know the truth. what happened with inflation, which is killing the average american? when did that happen? it happened under president biden. host: dan is in massachusetts, independent line. hi there. caller: thanks for having me on. i wanted to see if maybe you could clear something up that is extremely worrying to me. i was watching c-span live on january 6, and what happened was, two senators stood up and put a stop to the certification of joe biden for president. because the two senators said

there were voting irregularities in arizona. so, everybody went back to their chambers. the certification for joe biden had stopped. everybody went back to their chambers and then when the mob breached the capital two sentences into senator lankford's speech about the problems in arizona, the capital was breached and everybody was told to leave the chambers because the capital was breached. and the fact is -- host: caller, we have a reduced amount of time with our guest. what would you like him to address specifically? caller: this is a media blackout. this so-called insurrection was a stop measure to insert joe biden as president. host: that is dan in massachusetts. you can comment on that if you wish, presented. guest: i don't wish to comment

on that. the events of january 6 were very unfortunate. i was just as upset as everybody else. where there issues in arizona and pennsylvania? yeah, probably. due to covid some laws were changed. that caused us to have concerns about it. but at the end of the day even if we had not certified arizona or pennsylvania the results would have been the same. joe biden would have been the president of the united states. unlike in 2004 and 2005 won a number of democrats actually voted to overturn ohio. that would have actually overturned the results of the election. it is part of the process. it is part of the politics here in washington. what happened on january 6 was uncalled for. it is something that should never happen again, and, you know, again, like everybody else in america i was appalled that the capital was breached. host: republican line, tony in

texas. hi. caller: hi. i love sales -- love c-span. still cannot get it in hd. nice to have a conversation about a republican -- from a republican about fiscal responsibility. i really appreciate that. my question is going to be kind of taboo, because what you were just talking about, increasing revenue, how about increasing the number of taxpayers? and what i'm kind of referring to is that old reagan amnesty thing. why can't we get an immigration bill out and get these people some sort of legitimacy to where they are contributing? guest: the problem that we have with comprehensive immigration reform is the fact that the biden and harris administration have completely locked -- watched the southern border. so, what you want to do first is

control immigration. control illegal immigration. and once you control illegal immigration you can have that conversation about, ok, the ones that are here, what are you going to do with them? how can we get them out of the shadows and have them start to contribute to american society? there are some that do not qualify to be here. the law says very clearly that they do not qualify how are we going to deal with them? president trump says we need to comply with the law. law says if you do not qualify for asylum that you are to be deported back to your country. we have got over 10 million illegal aliens are now in our country. some of them have valid asylum claims. some of them down. we need to process them, but the first thing we have to do, we have to stop what is going on at the border. we have to comply with and enforce the laws that are already on the books. that is something that president biden and kamala harris was supposed to be the border czar

-- ok, not the border czar, but in charge of the border. and they have not done it on purpose. there is no need for additional resources to go down to the southern border. it is all a matter of policy. president biden and harris instituted 94 different policies that completely turned that border into a complete mess and it was done on purpose. because you cannot be that dumb. you had eyes agents and border patrol agents sang, you have to reinstitute remain in mexico. you cannot have mass parole. you have to do it on a case-by-case basis. you are incentivizing these migrants to come into the united states. you need to stop those incentives. they refused to do it. that is why we have this immigration crisis. because of that you cannot talk about comprehensive immigration reform. i agree with the caller. we need comprehensive immigration reform. but you cannot have that conversation until you control the border. host: if i understand it

correctly your state and district, a largeai population. what is your reaction to comments made by the vice president? guest: post comments about what is happening in ohio, i don't have any personal knowledge of that happening. i have a big haitian community in miami. they have been part of our community for a long time. at least the ones that are living in miami, they are good people and they contribute to my community. i have a lot of them that are friends of mine. i don't know what is happening in springfield. host: have you heard from those constituents about those comments made by the former president? guest: not really. nobody has really talk to me about it, so there are other things on their mind which are the high prices of goods, the high price of gasoline, the immigration issue is huge. it also i come from south florida. we have a huge immigrant

population. i am an immigrant myself. i was born in cuba. what is happening in cuba, what is happening in nicaragua. venezuela has just had an election. we need to recognize gonzales as the legitimate president-elect of venezuela. we are trying to put pressure on the biden-harris administration to decrease sanctions, like they are doing now, but increased sanctions, and also for him, the administration to officially recognize gonzales as the president of venezuela. that is really important. we keep looking to the east and west. we need to take care of our own hemisphere. in my community we really are focused to the south. that is not a big topic in my community, but like i said, it is about food prices, gas prices, the border, then america's standing in the world.

host: i know it is not necessarily your district that night be affected directly, but your concerns about the impending hurricane heading toward your state? guest: it is concerning. the panhandle area is coming in because of the sea level, or see bottom, it is prone to very high storm surge. storm surge kills the most people. if you are living there, if you are listening to me right now, if you are living in an evacuation zone in florida, get out now. if you are not, if you're going to write out the storm because you are not in an evacuation zone, make sure you have three days of supplies, food, water, medicine. they sure your pets are taking care of. if you're going to evacuate make sure you know it is where you are going to go. take supplies with you. you know what happens, and especially a storm this strong, there is going to be a lot of power outages, a lot of the roads are going to be blocked, and the authorities may not be able to get to you for three

days. you have to be self-sufficient for three days. if you do that and you follow what your local emergency managers are telling you you're going to be all right. but i'm concerned about what is happening and what is going to happen in the panhandle area. host: representative carlos gimenez, thank you for your time, sir. guest: it was my pleasure. host: at about 8:30 we are going to be joined by democratic representative sean casten to talk about aarty of issues. first we will have open form until then. if you want to put dissipate it is (202) 748-8000 free democrats. (202) 748-8001 republicans. and (202) 748-8002 for independents. we will take those calls when "washington journal" continues. ♪ >> tv. every sunday on c-span two features leading authors discussing their latest nonfiction books.

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>> "washington journal" continues. host: again, it is open form. we will take those calls arily. here is what is on the schedule today. at 9:30 there is a hearing on the attempted assassination of former president donald trump. this is done by the task force that has been convened to take a look at that. that will start at 9:30. we will end the program at that time. you can watch it on our main channel, our video app, as well c-span.org. other things to keep aware of today. the postmaster will give an update on the postal servic's readiness ahead of th upcoming election. that wilbe before the house appropriations subcommittee. 10:00 on c-span2. we can see that on the avenue order the.org. at 10:00 hurricane maria, you will remember, struck puerto rico in 2017. that caused massive power outages. the academic and development

energy officials will talk about recovery efforts and ongoing issues with the island's power grid. the house natural resources subcommittee will take a look at that, 10:00 this morning. you can see that on c-span three as well as other platforms. as always, you can go to the website to see what is going on at c-span.org. this is open form. nicky in panama city, florida. republican line. hello. caller: hello there. i'm calling because this morning they've got antony blinken on that show we don't talk about. it is one step down from you all on msnbc. and he is talking about israel and hezbollah and hamas, and this whole idea that we are supposed to tell other people how to fight their wars. you know, we spent i don't know

how much money building three cities in german style with german-type materials to test incendiary weapons, to dresden, and two other cities. dresden had hundreds of thousands of people. we killed in one night 25,000. that city burned for seven days. we have no moral authority about how to fight a war. a war is not supposed to be pretty and neat. and is just -- host: before we let you go, are you going to stay put or are you planning on moving somewhere with a hurricane coming? caller: i am north. i am away from everything. the thing i have to worry about is tornado, and that is going to

go any which way ahead. so, i'm going to stick it out. host: in oklahoma, independent line. this is guy. hello. caller: hello, pedro. thank you for taking my call. first of all i just want to mention that i am a vietnam-era person and i grew up in southern california. as we were bringing vietnam people out of saigon as a collapsed, in the neighborhood i lived in there were dogs and cats disappearing because over in those countries it is a delicacy. i want to address the springfield, ohio issue. i don't know if there is dogs and cats being eaten, but it is possible. then on monday i heard an independent station here in oklahoma report a haitian chasing a young boy down the street with a machete. these things are very possible. thank you. host: to write in maryland, is on our line for democrats. go ahead, you are next up.

caller: thank you, pedro. thank you so much, but this last call is really interesting. this sort of xenophobic treatment against people who are from distant lands who come here is incredible when both the republican nominee as president and his vp both have immigrant wives. i think the xenophobia is incredible. but one i wanted to talk about, and fact, pedro, is, any statistic, any fact you present that demonstrates how president trump and his administration prior to becoming the president, he was a moral, he was feckless, he was incompetent, he was corrupt, he was a bad student at both universities he attended, so one on so forth, they will shift gears and say, statistics don't matter, facts don't matter, it is about immigration or about this, or about that. are we in a state in politics

where we cannot acknowledge our faults anymore? that is my question i present to america this morning. can we acknowledge when we don't have it all together? host: the press rorng this morning that u.s. president joe biden announced today that a surge in assistance to ukraine, including 8 billion in military aid and long-range munitions is going to take place ahead of a meeting with the ukrainian president today. cousin zelinski was due to present his "victory plan" in a meeting with president biden and vice president kamala harris today in washington the president was expected to announce that boost in aid, saying, i'm seeing a surge in security assistance to help ukraine in this war. mr. biden said in a statement. look for that today. stay cse to our various platforms, about the ukrainian president meeting with president

biden and vice president harris. david on our line for republicans from california. caller: good morning, pedro, and good morning, america. we have been told that donald trump is the risky choice in this election, but donald trump and jd vance are both capitalists. kamala harris and tim walz are communist. so, the risky choice is not donald trump. host: if you want to go back to the speech, the vice president talking about her economic views, you can see that on our main channel, where you can see that on the app at c-span now. nick, independent line, this is barry. hello. caller: good morning. i would like to say that i am a 59-year-old man, and i have seen different presidents and different agendas. whenever a democratic president

is in office, prices go up. whenever a republican president is in office, then mystically everything starts to go down. and i believe that is because of an agenda of the higher-level business people in our country and the tax incentives that the republican party offer. i have seen democratic presidents -- and i am -- i was a workingman. by that i mean i was down in the ditches with everybody else. we flourished. there were jobs. there was money. life was good. but every time that a republican

president takes office, things seem to just go away. all right check up and i don't understand that. and maybe someone can clarify that for me. i really appreciate it. host: frank is on our line for democrats in maryland. hello. caller: good morning, sir. first i want to correct a misconception that the economy performs better under republicans. since world war ii the since woe economy -- i've posted a link and sent you a text earlier with the link with the media analysis. to the gentleman just now, the reason why prices go down under republicans, you have a

depressed economy. this is what i want to say about the economy. i watched your c-span now on pittsburgh yesterday. kamala kicks trump's -- when it comes to the economy. pre-pandemic, remember ohio and the carrier jobs he was going to save? before 2020, almost 190,000 manufacturing jobs left the united states to go overseas. hunter biden, 800000 and more have been created. more important, there are more plants under construction than under many of our past presidents. right now, there are scores of new manufacturing plants being built. host: ok.

that is frank in maryland. it is 8:00. a half hour until our next guest and open forum until then. if you want to participate, it is (202) 748-8000 for democrats. (202) 748-8001 for republicans. independents, (202) 748-8002. as always, you can post on our various platforms and text at (202) 748-8002 --(202) 748-8003. facebook.com/c-span or if you post on, c-span/w d. mayor ic adams has been indicted. he will be the first mayor in modern new york city to be charged. the indictment is currently sealed. it's unclear what charges mr. adams will face or when he will surrender to authorities. federal prosecors are expected to announcthe details later today. it was the mayor himself posting

on his own feed a response to this indictment. here it is from yesterday. >> it is now my belief that the federal government intends to charge me with crimes. if so, these charges will be entirely false, based on lies. but they would not be surprising. i always knew that if i stood my ground with all of you, i would be a target. and a target, i became. for months, leaks and rumors have been aimed at me in an attempt to undermine my credibility and paint me as guilty. just this past week, they searched the home of our new police commissioner, looking for documents from 20 years ago, just one week after he joined my administration. enough. i will fight these injustices without -- with every ounce of

my strength and my spirit. if i'm charged, i know i am innocent. i will request an immediate trial so new yorkers can hear the truth. new yorkers know my story. they know where i come from. i've been fighting injustice my entire life. that fight has continued as your mayor. despite our pleas, the federal government did nothing as its broken immigration policies overloaded our shelters with no release. i put the people of new york before parties and politics. now, if i am charged, many may say i should resign because i cannot manage the city while fighting the case. i can also understand every day new yorkers would be concerned that i cannot do my job while i face accusations.

but i have been facing these lies for months. since i began to speak out for all of you and their investigation started. make no mistake, you elected me to lead this city. and lead it i will. host: those of the comments of new york city mayor eric adams. let's hear from cam in california on the independent line. caller: i'm calling because i've been a long time listener and longtime calling. i'm asking the listeners this morning on c-span to call their senators to ask them to support the holding back the weapons built that senator bernie sanders is putting forward. we must stop this genocide. we must save the people of palestine. i'm not a fan of hamas. i believe what they did was horrid.

we have a genocide going on. children and women should not be paying the price with their life. it's our taxpayers money. and we do not need to support this. please ask your senators to pass this bill. it doesn't matter if you are a democrat or republican or independent or you don't vote at all. let's call and make this happen. let's stop this genocide so we can be on the right side of history. viva palestina. caller: good morning, pedro. you can fact-check me on this if you like. just a message to the republicans to talk about the economy. since 1990, a democrat ruled house has created 50 million jobs compared to republicans one million jobs.

that's 35 years. to your in-house guest that you had talking about jobs and he said anyone campaign a picture, i'd like for him to sketch that one out to me, picasso. how do you explain that? host: what do you base that on? caller: i base it on jobs created since -- host: people might be interested in finding out what data you are using. caller: it's a google search away. you can google stuff, i have an i've checked it. bill clinton brought it up at the d&c and i couldn't believe it so i went and fact checked it. 50 million jobs created to one million jobs under republican rule. you can look it up right now if you like. host: i will let the folks at home do that if they wish. let's hear from derek, derek in michigan, independent line. caller: thank you for taking my call.

i appreciate that. it's been a while since i called. i was watching on the news yesterday and they were saying something about -- what i want to say is i think that trump, when he was saying they were eating cats and dogs, i think that was a racist comment to say that, that the haitians who are black are eating cats and dog. that ties into the notion that black people are savages. i think that was a dog whistle to scare people into voting against kamala harris. you know. i just want to say that i think it is time as americans that we put the racism and stuff behind us and go with being american.

at the end of the day, we are americans. whether we are democrats or republicans. trump turned people against people. i think that is very wrong. it's almost like he's a con man. he knows what the people wants and he says things the people want to get them riled up but he can't explain how he will give them what they want. he's more like a con man. if he said things that made sense and talked about the issues, i would listen. host: ok. derek in michigan, two matters of foreign policy in the papers. this is in the wall street journal this morning out of israel. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, who was slated to speak to the general assembly, the u.n. general assembly on

friday -- that left 1200 people, mostly civilians killed and another 250 people taken hostage. a war between israel and hezbollah appears closer. jordan, which allowed their space to be used to shoot down a massive barrage of missiles -- if you go to the washington post, this out of russia. the headline, russia alters nuclear doctrine to be more flexible. several writers say according to the new policy, the updated version of the document poses that aggression against russia by any nonnuclear weapon state with the participation or support of a nuclear weapon

state should be considered as a joint attack on the russian federation. that is vladimir putin saying that. he said on the conditions of a launch of nuclear weapons would be reliable information about a massive launch of aerospace attack themes. saying they reserve the right to use nuclear weapons in the event of aggression against russia and belarus. that's from the washington post. let's hear from robert. robert on the democratic line in colorado. caller: good morning. c-span, if the devil called up, you would let him give his opinion. oh my goodness. in 1963, across the border with my father. i've been to mexico many times. i lived in mexico. you have to show id every time you cross that border.

i had a shift at 3:00 in the morning. i would wake up at 1:00 in the morning in mexico. have to get in line and wait to cross the border to go to work. the border is not open. that is a bald-faced lie. you can download the border at nc all of the -- and see all of the apps and all the people who wait to cross the border. the border is not open. and so, if they want to pass a bill to fix the border laws, then they should. but there is two big lies today. we know how fast a live moves versus the truth. continually, politicians and individuals will call up to the show and know they are lying but the lies will spread faster

than the truth and that's why we have all of these problems. the father of the lie is the devil. host: let's hear from bob in wisconsin. on the republican line, high. -- hi. caller: i want to talk about foreign policy. you guys said biden is going to give ukraine those lawn missiles to go deep into russia. big mistake. putin is not going to put up with that. if we are not careful, he will use his nuclear weapons. you just can't do that. i don't know what he's thinking. harris helps make decisions too so it's her fault too. another thing about foreign policy, iran was in two months of having the nuclear bomb. we know what's going on in the middle east that is going to get worse and worse. this has happened under harris

and biden. we didn't have any of these troubles, no wars whatsoever when trump was in there. and one more thing. the guy just said the border was closed? i don't know what he's talking about. if you are a citizen and you go into mexico and come back, you have to show an id but these people, these 15,000,000-20,000,000 people coming to the country illegally, they are not showing any id. they are crossing the borders and have been processed, no vetting and they are released into the country. host: it was the topic of iran that came up in part during former president trump's comments on the economy when he was in north carolina. here are some of those comets from yesterday. >> as you know, there have been two assassination attempts on my life that we know of. and they may or may not involve

but possibly do, iran. but i don't really know, can't be sure because the first case in butler, pennsylvania, great place. we are going back to butler. we are going to go back to finish our speech. the fbi has been unable to open the three potentially barred based apps. the potential assassin had six cell phones the car but they have been unable to penetrate their guard. they want to know and i want to know and the whole country and maybe the world wants to know who was he calling. in the old days, the fbi and the doj used to capture people before anything happened. in current days, the upper echelon of the fbi is all talk,

while they focus on the sitting president's political opponents. they spend so much time, we won the case in florida, it's all a big scam read it's all against a political opponent, me, whose doing better in the polls than anybody else and should be able to recapture the presidency in 41 days in make our country great again. but all they focus on is their political opponents. but they must get apple to open these foreign apps and they must get apple to likewise open the six phones from the second lunatic, who is a lunatic and open them immediately because we have a lot at stake. whether it is me or any other former president. they break into apps all the time. they have no problem breaking into the apps of the j six hostages.

they broken to those apps. and they could be iran based. they can also be something else. we never know if they got them -- until they get them opened. one of the best and most expensive lawyers in the entire state of pennsylvania, how did he get this expensive lawyer. host: those comments were from yesterday. by the way, the senate putting out the report and taking a look at the events concerning the assassination attempt. it's the examination of the secret service planning and security failures related to the

july 13 attempt. if you want to read the report, it's hsgc at senate.gov. brenda. caller: that bullet would have gone through his head. i wish people would wake up and understand trump is nothing but a liar. our country will be perfect again with harris in their because she is for the people. trump is for himself. all this stuff trump is making up, he's nothing but a liar. host: why do you say it's a made-up thing? caller: because i was watching it. biden was ahead of trump.

i said trump was going to pull one of his little things and there he did. you touch the top of your ear, there's no way a bullet could take the top of your ear off without going through your head. host: the fbi is looking at the attempt and their is investigations -- there is investigations so why would you say it's fake? caller: i was born and raised in alabama, i've shot a rifle and pistol. there is no way anybody could shoot the top of his ear without it going in his head. host: in minnesota on the independent line, hello. caller: good morning. i tried to call during the conversation about the economy. what i missed in that

conversation, when we talk about economy, -- isolation from the environmental impact we have in the economy. i believe that we have to see that together. i just had to get that off my chest. host: deztree, who lives in ohio on the democrats line. caller: i find it so funny trump can talk about his assassination attempt. i'm a felon and when i sit here on this tv, that day and watched it from the beginning to the end , they whipped them cops tales. they put a hurting on them.

and like mark cuban said yesterday, it's so funny that when trump does a speech, everybody has to come out and say what he was thinking. because trump don't say nothing about his economic policy or none of that. he's got surrogates who say what he meant. i don't have to have surrogates with kamala harris. i understand everything she's saying. i don't understand how a person can honestly listen to a person that says everything is going to be fine, it's going to be great, without a plan. host: two approaches to how the candidates are trying to get their name and their message out leading up to election day.

this is from the washington post this morning, saying that in an ongoing outreach effort to young male voters, kamala harris's campaign bought advertising space on ig in, the world -- ign . static in video ads will begin appearing on the site, starting yesterday, presented and imagery. -- presented in imagery. that is from the new york times -- sorry, the washington post. this is from the new york times section, the national section. for audiences in the crucial

swing states, unlike the ads pumped out by big-money super pac's, these thoughts were paid for and -- an injury lawyer in central florida has paid for more presidential campaign advertising than any advocacy groups or professional organizations. there is more there if you want to read it. that is in the new york times. let's hear from gary in connecticut. on the independent line. caller: i'm calling about social security. i am a senior citizen who has worked hard my whole life. the solution is to remove the $168,000 tax where people stop paying for the social security

program. i would appreciate it if you would ask why in fact is that cap not removed and make social security more than solid, thank you, pedro. >> give me a minute at the top. this thing is talking about donald trump. they said donald trump, you're going to be responsible. we have to march down. what they did, they twisted it around.

they said after the right -- riot, they found out -- they were talking about what they were going to do about taking their country back. the same thing they did to president obama and his wife. it's all about the color. there were no indications. this is what black folks are dealing with in this country. you can walk out here every day and people are living good.

-- host: let's go to james. he's in new jersey. [indiscernible] caller: i made up my mind who i'm going to vote for. kamala, please --

host: -- whether the public sees it before the 2024 election rests with the u.s. district judge, tonya judkins. the fruits of a two year investigation that included testimony from former vice president mike pence and mark meadows. it is likely the special councils i'll chance before election day. it lays out the case for why trump deserves to be put on trial and convicted. it could include snippets of interviews prosecute is conducted with some of trump's advisors, documents smith procured from national archives. this is raul in california,

republican line. you are next. raul in california, hello. one more time for raul, are you there? ok. let's go to donald. donald in indiana, democratic line. caller: hey, pedro. real quickly, i get tired of hearing things like vote for trump because he is a businessman. my opinion, we know trickle-down economics does not work. donald trump is wrong. he's narcissistic. we can see that. to be president of the united states, you have to think of the people. donald trump is not thinking of the people. host: that is donald in indiana.

that is the end of this open forum. we will end the show at 9:30 and look at assassination attempt's against the former. up next, we are going to hear from democrat sean casten of illinois to talk about the government funding battle and the role the economy has played in campaigns for congress and the white house. that is when washington journal returns. >> donald trump running mate, senator vance, he got caught up in ambitious, hurtful lies about immigrants.

he said i admit it. i'm willing to create stories to spread fear to drum up support for us. >> watched the cbs news vice presidential debate live tuesday on c-span as minnesota governor tim walz and ohio senator jd vance. c-span, your unfiltered view of politics. >> c-span has provided complete coverage of congress from the house and senate floors to congressional hearing and committee meetings. c-span gives you a front row

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thank you for your time. guest: thank you host: for having me. host:we are taking a look -- guest: thank you for having me. host: we are taking a look at the short-term funding of government. caller: it was a no-brainer. those bills have not come to the floor yet this term. him the tsa's going to be open or the national parks are going to be open. host: were there other factors in your mind as well? caller: the safe act was really

problematic. it's important if you are going out and telling people -- find a young person near you and ask them if they can provide their passport or their original copy of their birth certificate. they will have trouble. there was no way that was going to get support on the democratic side of the aisle. there is this concern about congress's job. under the leadership of speaker

johnson, i think we've only passed three on the floor. at what point are we going to get through this? it is basically saying for a year and three months, we decided over a year ago that we need to do -- host: and you talked about whether things would be wrapped up. is that your concern as well? caller: i think a lot of that is going to depend on what happens in the election.

we're going to try to figure out do we now go through -- -- how to handicapped this at that point, i don't know. host: representative sean casten joining us for this half hour.

and if you want to ask questions, (202) 748-8000. (202) 748-8001 for republicans. an independents, (202) 748-8002. if you want to text a question or comment, it is (202) 748-8003 . representative kasten, president biden is set to meet with the ukrainian president today. there was an announcement of $8 billion in new aid for the country. what do you think about this outlay of money outside of congressional appropriation? >> we need to do everything we can to support our friends in ukraine. i think it was an embarrassment for a lot of us that we went so long. that sent a signal to vladimir putin that may be support for the post-world war ii order that you can't invade a

country because you want their land, that may be our support was waxing. i'm glad to see the white house doing that. we need to continue to show strength and resolve. we have been impressed with what the ukrainian people have done since the invasion. but there still is far too much suffering over there. russia is looking for weakness. host: when it comes to the weapons systems, the ukrainian president asking for flexibility when it comes to the long-range missiles, what they can hit. how comfortable are you with that approach if the united states should grant that? guest: i think a lot of us have been, whether history will say we were too cautious on this, i don't know. a lot of us were anxious initially about providing any aid that could be seen as in any way provoking an expansionist ukraine. we are nervous about russia as a nuclear power. so we were reluctant to provide ukraine with weapons that could reach into russia. russia responded to that by

moving some of their command and control environment just beyond the russian border. that was always problematic because russia had illegally taken crimea. some of that was on ukrainian land but far away from their reach. we have gradually expanded the range of weapons which provided . ukraine tried to counter some of the russian offensive. i think there is this question as ukraine succeeds, if they push russia back, at some point you need to be able to reach into those command-and-control structures. personally, i think they would be more hawkish than some of my colleagues. that's not to say it's not a tricky question. we don't want to provoke russia into making this into a bigger war. host: on the subject of tricky questions, one more before we

take calls. there are reports including from the jerusalem post that the israeli defense forces are reportedly targeting has blair units. are you worried about escalation and if that's the case, what does it mean for the united states? guest: i'm extremely worried on a whole number of fronts. we are almost a year since the horrors of october 7, when hamas invaded israel on october 7, their intent and their expectation was that hezbollah would follow from the north. hamas and hezbollah are both united in their has still it he to the state of -- hostility to the state of israel. they are not united on much more, they don't like each other. hezbollah didn't follow through in part because they don't like each other and the united states made it clear we would do everything to prevent escalation. and over the ensuing year, what has become very frustrating for a lot of us is that there is

broad regional support for a much bigger regional peace, the jordanians would like to see peace with israel. it's not at all clear that it is in hamas's interest or netanyahu's interest to end this war because both of their political careers may end when the war comes to a close. and they may end up in criminal proceedings. the extension and the failure to end this war over the course of almost a year and the failure on the part of the israeli government and not about the west bank has fractured the arab world. having kept hezbollah out, the fact that hezbollah is now coming in is a real concern. this absolutely could lead to a regional war.

and when the parties that are most able to drive a piece in the region seem to have personal reasons why they are preventing that piece that go young the interest of their nation, it's a concern. i think we have been grateful and lucky to have u.s. leadership in the region. but we need some more support from folks on the ground. host: sean casten joining us. our first call comes from kent, he's in illinois. kent, you are on with the guest. caller: there are hundreds of thousands of kids missing. mr. grassley, the senator for iowa -- from iowa is talking about wanting to have the people who are getting these kids should be vetted. the democrats have to know we have to get these kids a place somewhere, quickly. don't you know that the

pedophiles are ending up with these kids? host: you're going to have to clarify some things, as far as the kids missing from where? caller: they came across the border unaccounted. host: that is kent but represented kasten, if you wanted to respond. guest: i'm not aware of missing kids since president biden came in. there are several thousand children who were separated from their families. it's not the hundreds of thousands. i think the general question of inflation, number one, we have seen a significant fall down in border crossings over the last year. that is good or bad is up for question. i'm proud to live in a

country that everyone wants to live in. a huge part of the reason why inflation has come down so quickly in spite of such a strong economy is because immigration has kept our workforce higher than what it would have been otherwise and make sure older businesses can find workers instead of being pressured to say we are going to have to pay more and more on higher wages which is good for workers but it means we are sitting in restaurants. i think the larger question of immigration, we are an economy that creates jobs faster than it is creating workers, we are an economy that has recovered from covid faster than any of our peers and when we are ultimately a nation of immigrants, i think it is important for us to make sure, of course, keep the bad people out. but let's not be so xenophobic as to say we don't want to attract the good people who are coming in.

we will see what happens on the immigration front going forward. the statistics are in the right direction if your goal is to reduce the number of immigrants coming into our country. there is a good case they are in the wrong direction if the goal is to make sure the economy continues to grow strong like it has over the last four years. host: from pennsylvania, one need on the democratics line. caller: good morning, sean and pedro. my question to sean is, i'm a little nervous, forgive me for that. this bill was passed by the house and i'm nervous because republicans are in control. he went from the six months to december the 20th to keep this thing rolling. but if the democrats win, republicans are in control, aren't you concerned they might shut the government down anyways , five days before christmas? that's my question.

guest: that's one of the perks of being the majority. that doesn't mean they have the votes on the floor. we saw the republican already bring acr to the flood that they didn't have the votes for that failed last week. i'm not going to say it's super productive to speculate what they might do three months from now. i don't think anybody generally wants to send people into christmas wondering if the government is going to be open. i think we will deal with that when we get there. i think all of us have been tremendously impressed with hakeem jeffries and the way that he has managed -- having a minority of the republicans in the house voting in favor. it means we are bipartisan but also that every time one of these votes comes through, it creates a tension within the

republican caucus which is a harder thing to manage this term than a republican-democratic tension that is a different issue. there is 100 plus republicans who have supported things that are supported by every democrat. my hope is that significant majority coalition of the pro-government swing of the house will dominate what comes next. host: ed from massachusetts on the democrats line. guest: hello, ed. caller: yes, i'm here. host: go ahead. caller: yes. represent of kasten, i'd like to know why politics cannot be put aside to get the peoples worked on in congress. that's basically my question. my other questions for the american people. if america is not already great,

why are they breaking down the doors to get in here? thank you. guest: your first question is a philosophical one. i still think about this job. i've been in congress for six years. before that, i was in the private sector for 20 years. i like to remind folks back home let only in political life do we decide that the measure of success is based on splitting up everybody into two teams and saying you have to work with an equal number of people on two teams or view things through a political lens. i suspect that in your own job. i don't know where you live in massachusetts but i used to live in central massachusetts. there were yankee fans if you got toward the new york border and plenty of red sox fans. i don't think any massachusetts business would say it's important for red sox and yankees fans to work together. judge us by what we do. they have been times where we have passed the biggest infrastructure bill in our

history and lowered the price of insulin bills for seniors and passed the biggest climate bill in history. we passed bills to recover from the covid downturn faster than any country in the world. the republican witness said it is because of the strength of the u.s. economy, because we kept our banking system open that we have recovered so strongly. i don't really care whether those bills were done by republicans, democrats, the whigs are federalists. what i care as it got done and they judged us by our work. we are more effective when we measure what we do rather than the politics of it. all of our success as a country has come when we strive to make ourselves better than what we were before. and we are going to continue on that path and i agree with you edwin, when the rest of the world wants to live here, it's a

sign we are doing something right. host: i want to ask you about recent statements by the white house advisor concerned about the spending of clean energy investment money and with the possibility of a trump administration coming in, what's your concern and what case would you make of what's been spent so far and what it's resulted in? caller: when we worked -- guest: when we worked on the inflation reduction act, we were intentional on a couple of fronts. it was important to us that this be a package of carrots and not sticks. if you penalize people for doing bad things, you immediately create a constituency of folks who want to give it of that law. if you reward people for doing good things, you are creating a group of people who want to maintain that law.

those people have put up their own capital. and then levered that capital with some tax incentives on the backside. maybe you're getting a 20% tax credit or a 30% tax credit. you are putting up 70% to 80% of the money. it has brought in, i think we are up to $900 billion of private sector investment on top of the roughly, i think it's a little bit over 100 of public money that has come in. that is a huge amount. it's led to people in blue states and red states who have a vested interest in making sure the money they have invested remains ongoing and profitable. it has worked out as intended. i'm less concerned about whether those incentives will go away because, you know, marjorie

taylor greene who i don't ci to eye with has a huge battery plant in her district. i don't think she wants to make those people lose. i am concerned whether the broader administrative staff that would come in in a trump administration will have the confidence to run those programs effectively. if was not -- it was not the case last time that they brought in people who are committed to the idea of a functioning administrative state. and if you qualify for a tax credit, but tax credit is there but there is nobody competent to help you explain -- to explain to you how to get it. host: you've seen headlines like the one from the wall street journal about the supposed retreat from the auto industry when it comes to electric vehicles, considering the administration's emphasis on it. what do you think about those two things, the tension between those two things? guest: the wall street journal stories are shockingly inaccurate. there was a huge surge, electric

vehicles were the fastest growing vehicle segment over the last several years and they continue to be. what has happened is that when you are growing by 20% per year, you aren't going to sustain that growth. some of the stories are saying there has been a slowdown in the rate of growth. if you go from 10 to 12, that's 20% growth. 12 from 14 -- 12 to 14 is a slower rate of growth but you're still growing. that is just math. the second thing is there has been a shift in who the manufacturers are. tesla was dominating the market share as other companies like kia and hyundai, they are gaining market share. you are seeing some manufacturers having negative results. their sales are growing as quickly but there are some anymore manufacturers in the space and competition is doing what competition is doing.

so that surge continues. we need to make sure that are available to everybody. you have been intentional, saying ok, this -- when those were initially ruled out, they were more expensive. they were high-end because of the infrastructure and minimal to people who owned their own house with their own garage and can invest a charger. harder if you are lower income or renting and living in an urban area. we are trying to make sure we get those charges out so people who want a car with great acceleration and effectively no maintenance costs and effectively no fuel costs can have that even if they are not wealthy enough to have their own home. so we are pushing that. we are seeing a little bit of slowdown but you look state-by-state and what the wall street journal said hasn't been true. host: in georgia on the republican line, thanks for waiting, go ahead. caller: you are saying the infrastructure bill is working correctly?

guest: what i'm saying is it was the biggest infrastructure bill ever passed and we are seeing a huge amount of investment in infrastructure. i don't think anybody would say all of our roads and bridges are fixed and perfect but i'm proud to have gotten it done and i'm glad to have the resources flown into our community. caller: you've built seven charges? -- chargers? guest: that's not true. it is more than that. we had tax credit for chargers. you have had huge numbers of people who have gone, my wife has done this, put a charger in our garage and taken advantage. we are going through and making sure we build centrally located chargers at gas stations and on highways. those have been slower.

we are pushing on all cylinders. host: from bill in north carolina on the democrats line. caller: i have one quick question regarding the budget and that question would be why do we continue to inflate the defense budget? what can you tell me about that? why is it that we can build airplanes and fighter jets that mostly the air force don't need or want? guest: i think there is a rich conversation about is it appropriate to spend as much on defense as we can pray quite candidly, i can argue both sides of that. i think it is increasingly evident in a world of chinese ascendancy and given what the russians have done that that united states retains not only the most modern and effective and efficient military in the world but also that we have the ability to fight wars on two

fronts at the same time. that is a, like the old superhero comics used to say, with great power comes great response ability. that is necessarily expensive. is that to say there is no waste? of course not. in the near term, you may recall we had to increase our debt limits about a year and a half ago, which is silly that congress has to approve that. nonetheless, we did that and speaker mccarthy insisted the republican caucus would only agree to voting to not default on the u.s. that if we locked-in ending rules for the next two years that curtailed spending. congress at least until the end of this year is found under law to maintain defense levels at those historic levels with slight adjustments, which is

part of how we made sure we kept the government, we said you locked it in. the conversation with what might happen about defense spending could maybe happen in the next term. as it sits right now, congress is legally obliged to spend at these levels because of former speaker mccarthy's insistence we lock that in as a result of not defaulting on the national debt. host: the was a viewer who postedn x, saying do you think it's realistic to defeat russia and putin? guest: there is a dark joke in national security circles that prior to russia's invasion of ukraine we thought russia had the second-best army in the world, and after the invasion we concluded russia has the second-best army in ukraine. the ukrainians have done a fantastic job of pushing russia

back when we have provided them resources. they have proven to be strategically nimble and have out fought and out battled the russians. at the same point, russia has a much bigger population, a much bigger landmass. vladimir putin has shown to be willing to take conscripts out of jail and send them in as cannon fodder and he has a nearly infinite supply of that. i can't imply whether or not ukraine will ultimately win this war or whether or not vladimir putin even has a face-saving way to walk out of this. he's now a war criminal. what's he going to do short of losing this war? my view is that until such time, as ukraine says we are satisfied and we want this war to come to a close either because we have gained all of the territory back or in ukraine's opinion we

can hold where we are and we will settle with this, we have to make sure we stand with our ukrainian friends prayed otherwise, the message russia gets is they can take land when they want and wait us out. ukraine is surrounded by nato allies who if they were to go to poland or estonia, the united states troops would be drawn in there and i don't think any of us want that. host: there is a story saying russian president vladimir putin made veiled threats about nuclear use. how does that factor or how should that factor in anything we do regarding russia? guest: as i said when we were talking about the long range weapons, it is a concern given the threat that russia poses. i think all of us are, as much as we dislike putin, i think we also understand he's not so foolish as to do that sort of an escalation because of the

blowback and consequences that would make it hard for it not to have catastrophic results on his own country as well. we need to take it seriously. this is a narcissistic, not nice man who has the nuclear button. that is a concern. host: one more call from barbara in west virginia. we are a little short on time so go with your question. caller: i was a little bit upset about the democrats not voting to -- that's why the democrats brought all of those people across the line, so they could have their votes. i just wanted to hear your answer on that. guest: i want to be clear. the idea there are large numbers of undocumented folks voting is simply not real. you can't find any cases of that that are out there.

and also like put yourself in those shoes. imagine if you found yourself for some reason all of a sudden needing to move to canada. maybe because you had to move for a job, a spouse or someone you fell in love with and wasn'ted to move up there. who knows why you were compelled to move to canada. think of the scenarios that would put you in that, and try to imagine what i want to do is vote illegally for prime minister. that's so far down the list of things folks are thinking about. there is this very real concern. you have to ask why would you go out and require people to prove that they are citizens before they vote if that's not actually happening? again as i sort of alluded to at the start of this, what would it take to prove that you are a citizen? think about when you vote in west virginia. my guess is you don't show up with proof of your citizenship. you are on the voter rolls in west virginia u can't get on unless you are a citizen and eligible to vote. your proof of identity maybe

it's your utility bill, driver's license. those things don't say you are a citizen. the only two documents you can have that say are you a citizen is either a passport or an original copy of your birth certificate, certified by the hospital you were born. if you are not a person who has needs to travel all the time, you're not going to have a passport. for a lot of folks, i wonder myself, could i find my birth certificate. an original copy signed off by the hospital. could i find that quickly? i probably have to call my parents up and see if they know where that is. that creates a situation where now a whole bunch of folks who aren't undocumented but just a whole bunch of folks who don't have access to that information. now end up not being able to vote. this isn't about preventing undocumented folks from voting, it's about preventing people who are going to skew younger, a little poorer, who are going to skew maybe a little more housing uncertain from voting. i want to make sure that every american who is eligible to vote

can vote and not a person less. putting those requirements on that make it harder for certain americans to vote i would submit to you is anti-american. host: reffen sean casten representative from illinois serving the sixth district. thanks of the our final guest before we end the program at 9:30, "washington times" national security editor guy taylor here to talk about a new congressional report that asserts that china has exploited its partnership with u.s. research institutions to advance its own military technology. we'll find out mother when "washington journal" continues. >> book tv every sunday on c-span2 features leading authors discussing their latest nonfiction books. at 7:30 p.m. eastern, from our about books podcast, we talk to a.p. books editor about some of the nonfiction titles cing out

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he's their national security editor here to talk about a story that broke recently taking a look at china academic institutions, military technology, and how they might all relate. mr. taylor, welcome to the program. guest: thanks, pedro, great to be here. host: talk about the source of this. where did the story come from? guest: i think it's important to look at the big picture context first. we are in kind of a new chapter of what has been this evolving decoupling between the u.s. democracy and the authoritarian communist government that controls china. the u.s. and china are economically entangled. congress, specifically the house select committee on competition with the chinese communist party, which has become really active in this last congress, has looked at sensitive areas of that decoupling. specifically national security. the house c.c.p. committee and the house education -- committee on education and workforce, republicans on those two

committees, put out a joint report this week examining the extent to which grant money going from d.o.d. and the intelligence community to a top tier, tier one u.s. research university is somehow financing advanced technical research at joint institutions in china. and research scholarship between u.s. and chinese scholars that the chinese communist party government is gaining backdoor access to basically exploit and take -- talking about hyper sonic weapons research, nuclear weapons research, talking about a.i., talking about semiconductors. the argument of this report is that the u.s. government isn't paying attention. doesn't have any -- it does have some guardrails on what universities have to report, but there hasn't been much enforcement of that. again, this was a republican

report which basically argues the biden administration over the last four years hasn't enforced regulations on what universities have to tell the government they are doing and who their partnering with and whether or not they are partnering with entities in other countries like china that might be on the commerce department's blacklist as a national security adversary. that's where we are at with this report. it's very interesting, john moolenaar, the republican chairman of the house select committee on competition with chinese communist party, and virginia foxx, the chairwoman. education and workforce committee. host: start with the universities in question. what are they? guest: there are more than a dozen. the one that is get highlighted in the report, one was georgia tech. it's very interesting because georgia tech has had a joint research institute inside china. and georgia tech does get a lot of federal dollars for really advanced research. while this investigation by

these committees was going on, georgia tech announced it would be die vesting from -- divesting from its joint institution. as the report was coming out on monday there were indications from u.c. berkeley, another big one, that they are going to be divesting from their joint institute. when you look at statements that come out of the universities when they do divest from these things, they say things like, they have frustration that there is a lack of transparency on the chinese side. and that there is concern about chinese communist government efforts to control companies and activities that go on with this really advanced research once research papers come out. host: if i understand it correctly, the d.o.d., or whatever government entity, offers money to these universities to do the research. the research does the-does this in conjunction with the establishments in china. but there are concerns whatever is discovered ends up in chinese

hands and chinese military or technological use? guest: that's the gist of it. and this report talks about hundreds of millions of dollars over the last 10 years in grant money from the u.s. government to top private and public universities in the united states. it also talks about 9,000 research papers over the last 10 years that have had joint collaboration. it's really important here also before we go to any questions to talk about how this is about congressional scrutiny of relations with the chinese communist party. it's not about the chinese people or it's not a xenophobic push. this is sensitive for universities because universities are places that foster nonpolitical really advanced scientific research. when you are talking about rocket science, are you talking about a handful of people in the entire human species that know how to do this stuff.

if the partner -- one of those men or women who does it may be in china, you are going to have university scholars that want to work with the best counterparts. it's very tense sensive. and there is pushback behind the scenes from universities against members of congress that would like to put more teeth in higher education legislation that makes it harder for this type of research to happen. or joint research. host: give an example of the type of research that has started at one end and ended up in china's hands. guest: semiconductors, nanotechnology, the types of science that go into successful hyper sonic rocket systems. we don't hear a lot about an american hyper sonics program at this point. however, the chinese communist party has expanded its hyper sonic missile program around the world in the last 10 years. so there is a sense that the u.s. in some ways is behind china. and this also adds into what we

are talking about from a journalistic standpoint, you are looking at all sides. while the u.s. is ahead on things like semiconductors, microchips, advanced microchips that are needed for a.i. processing that could integrate with global weapons systems. things like that. the u.s. is ahead there, there's this possibility that there is an interest in the national security community, the pentagon and intelligence community, to also be keeping a close eye on what the chinese are doing. there are many sides to how this kind of all fits together. host: if you want to ask questions about this report that just came out, call 202-748-8000 for democrats. 202-748-8001, for republicans. and independents, 202-748-8002. send your question or comments via text at 2 0e 2-748-8003. to what extent were any laws broken by this process? guest: such a great question. that's what's so interesting

about this report. and the report says that no laws have explicitly been broken. there are guidelines in place that haven't been enforced. but this is what's interesting. almost as if this was a republican-backed report to indicate that if there is continued republican control of the legislature, the house, if there is a donald trump presidency, this is almost a harbinger that there would be a movement to start putting in place law that is would really clamp down on this type of joint collaboration. host: when the d.o.d. or any other federal entities are offering the money to initially to the universities, what disclosure do the universities have to give them. by the way we are going to be working with these other entities? guest: there is some of that. but there is also disclosure -- there are disclosures requirements in higher education law, particularly on black listed entities. if you are getting federal government money, are you not supposed to be working with these certain black listed

entities. then there are basically countries of major concern -- iran, north carolina, china, russia. universities -- iran, north korea, china, russia. universities are supposed to say if they enter into companies that are blacklisted or countries of concern, those reporting requirements d.-there are also reporting requirements on gifts or grants and investments given by entities of concern, particularly in china. the report talks about how the biden administration has not been pushing on universities hard enough when they lapse in that reporting. so the grants will go, but then the universities have to say if i got this grant, i am going to be partnering with somebody else. if they don't report that to the government, this is where the problem is. this is what this report was about. we've got a hole here that should be cleaned up. host: hear from alex, in minnesota, for our guest guy

taylor of the "washington times." republican line. you're first up. go ahead, please. caller: i hope you can hear me. thanks for taking my call. i think this is an important topic. i think you do a great job of differentialing between the chinese communist party and people which is very important. it's also important to talk about the fact that this is really not just in academia. it's also in government. it doesn't get talked about nearly enough. i'd like to give a quick example i hope you can discuss. the company cefc, the company that paid billions of dollars of bidens, not talking about the bidens, other things that they have done. so they first they offered the million dollar contract to a former n.s.a. director in 2014. he turned that money down and told the f.b.i. about it. but then later that same company started giving money to the bidens. that's something that should have been on the radar. that same company was working with louis freed, former f.b.i. director n. conjunction with the

bidens. on top of that that same company was meeting with a head of counterintelligence, named charles, who was investigating cefc. he was later arrested. the stories were about his connections to russia. if you look at the individual he was charged with having undisclosed meetings with, that person -- host: alex, with all that complication, what's the question? caller: the point is to say this is pervasive through the government. and it's pervasive through society. there is a lot of money behind it. complicating things. a lot of money behind it and a lot of people who are relatively high up who get involved in this. host: alex in minnesota. guest: thanks, alex. i'm not personally very familiar with the cefc cases that you brought up. but at the "washington times" and with our threat status digital portal, we are looking at trends. what you said about this being a pervasive problem, that's

absolutely true. we actually -- i mentioned john moolenaar the chairman of the house select committee on competition with chinese communist party, threat status we sat down and did a lengthy interview with raja krishnamoorthi the democratic ranking member of that committee. if the democrats take the house and the committee continues into the next congress, krishnamoorthi would likely be the chairman of it, he's the lawmaker that actually brought forward the legislation to ban tiktok, or the massively popular social media platform. or force the chinese company bite dance to die vest from it -- bytedance to divest from it. when you talk about the pervasiveness issue, that to me screams out for there to be bipartisanship. the question from my reporting is, is there bipartisanship? is there a kind of groundswell

or awakening happening on both parties? we put it in the context this is not about xenophobia or the chinese people. it's about this big chapter we are entering of decoupling between the democracy and the chinese communist party. host: this report came to republicans. have any democrats signed on to it? guest: in my reporting this week i haven't seen democrats signing on to it. i haven't seen democrats say anything bad about it. which i think is really important piece. do i know from -- i do know from talking to people on both committees there is a lot of bipartisanship on these two committees. higher education and the workforce, and this house committee on the chinese communist party. host: pete in atlanta, democrats line, hi. caller: you know what, me personally i don't have-tkeurpbl' a democrat, i don't have -- i'm a democrat, i don't have any problems with that report, even though it came from the republicans. i just want to say just chairs

said -- kamala harris. if trump gets back into office, we don't have to worry about chinese stealing or technology. donald trump gave it to them. and he will give them more. and the chinese know that. if we are worried about the chinese stealing from us, we don't have to worry about that. i'll say one more time -- you just confirm to the people and you should know, did donald trump give semiconductor technology to the chinese? he gave it to them. that's all i have to say. host: pete in georgia. guest: thank you, pete. i appreciate your enthusiasm. i think that this is a political talking point. i mean that with all due respect that trump gave semiconductors

to china. in fact, i think that trump, former president trump and president biden and vice president kamala harris, actually have very similar policies towards china. when we drill into semiconductor policy, what you see is the trump administration was probably rhetorically more aggressive in its posturing toward beijing in relations leader level relations between trump and xi. when we bring up things like blanket statement that trump gave semiconductor technology to china, i think we are missing the point that one of the most advanced tech powerhouses in the world is in taiwan, which is an island democracy, more or less backed by the united states. and the taiwan semiconductor manufacturing company is a leader. it's right next to china. and china and taiwan have a sensitive relationship about this. what you have seen through the trump administration into the

biden administration is great pressure by the united states to get the taiwan semiconductor manufacturing company to invest a lot of money in new manufacturing operations inside the united states because of this concern in washington on both parties that the proximity of those operations in taiwan are just too close to china. host: i think that was the basis of the chips act. guest: that's one of the basis. host: you used something in your report called dual use technology. what is that? how does it apply to this research being done at the university that's the basis of this report? guest: sure. it's complicated to use the artificial intelligence example, but advanced a.i. and advanced a.i. microchips that could be used in cell phones for all kinds of new communications, horizons we haven't thought about or become mainstream, those types of microchips and a.i. could also be used for things like drone swarming,

commercially produced drones, put a few thousand of them in the air over an entire regional theater, say most of the indepacific and -- indo-pacific and have that part figures intelligence created for basic communication, ideas we think as civilians suddenly has a military application that could dramatically affect the posture of the chinese navy, the u.s. navy, and say the indo-pacific. the indian navy. another thing is rocket propulsion. we are thinking about can human beings make it to space? when we are talking about rocket propull sh*upb we are talking -- propulsion we are talking solid state fuel. could that be developed to be put on a pickup truck so you could launch ballistic missiles from multiple locations quickly. it's an obscure area and

hopefully i answered that. host: it seems to draw the distinction between science that's developed and science that's applied. are both those fronts used at these universities? developing new science or applied sciences? guest: i think at the joint institute level you are talking about advanced scholarship and research. and if you ever sit down with people who are really involved in that, they tend not to be very political. and they tend to be involved in high level science. and developing things that can be handed off so the commercial minds, steve jobs of the world, can find a way to apply them. dual use comes in there. something might be developed for commercial applications, but the defense communities of these two great powers of the united states and the authoritarian chinese communist party government in china are watching this very closely to see what the national security dual use application could be. host: when it comes to the research, i don't know if the report goes to this, when it's done at the university level, is

it done with a combination of scientist from the united states, scientists from china? specifically -- how does that work? guest: not just the united states and china. there are scientist from all over the world. it depends whether we are talking about medical research or something with computer science or rocket science. yes, we are talking about joint scholarship. partnership between scholars from different countries that are not -- geopolitically against each other. host: as far as to the extent they are vetted by -- if you are going to use government money and sensitive material, to what degree are they veted? guest: that's what this report is about. bringing up this issue of vetting we then have to ask ourselves if we think back to the history of mccarthyism and everything else in the united states, we have to think about -- this is a question i think that comes up in the debate about this report. what is the rightful or improper role of the u.s. government to

get involved in telling public or private universities who they can work with or who they can hire. that's a sensitive piece of this debate. host: this is guy taylor joining us, the "washington times." juanita next in south carolina, independent line. go ahead. caller: yes. thank you for taking my call. i had a question for your guest. i have an acquaintance who is in a position to know and this person is of the opinion that we are at least 10 years behind taiwan in semiconductor and related, in producing semiconductors and related technology and i would like to know if your guest considers this assessment correct. i would like to know how far along we are in the process of

developing semiconductors here in the united states. host: mr. taylor. guest: juanita, it's a very salient question. it really depends who you ask. i was in silicon valley a couple times this year. if you are asked computer scientist there is they'll tell you unequivocally the united states is way ahead of the rest of the world when it comes to advanced research and design of nanotechnology and microchips. this is where the nuance is. if you are talking about producing at scale and manufacturing at scale, those most advanced semiconductors, microchips, that's an area where the united states leans heavily on taiwan. and also the netherlands and a few other countries because of their capability to do the type of mass scale manufacturing that

can put those chips to commercial use globally. it's a yes and a no. the other piece of this is that the taiwanese i think are working very closely with the united states. you have to consider that there are iconic american brands, whether they are in the defense from lockheed martin, apple, and many others that are heavily invested in the taiwanese microchip sector. remember, taiwan is the island democracy that is backed by the united states that has this autonomy from china. and you have mainland communist china that's putting a lot of pressure on taiwan right now. it's in the news almost every day. if you look for chinese military exercises around taiwan. in fact, the news this morning is that japan for the first time in a century, which is japan being aligned with the united states and taiwan, actually

sailed navy warship through the taiwan strait between china and taiwan for the first time in the century. all of this is connected in a big geopolitical way. host: phil, in tennessee, independent line, hi. caller: good morning. good morning. mr. taylor, i've got a couple things i'd like to know. but one of them is about this china exploiting the u.s. government. first off, i think our military has better development when it comes to computer chips than any other country. but since you're the editor for the "washington journal," i want to know why reporters and tv hosts have never asked donald trump three different things. one is, what kind of mafia ties did he have out there on the

east coast -- host:er, let me step in only because mr. taylor's associated with the "washington times" not our program. don't know if your line of questioning is conducive to what we are talking about. i'll hold you off there. thank you for calling. please call in in less than 30 days since you couldn't do that today. mr. taylor, there is a vier named hawk says this, collaboration helps us all understand each other. d build our knowledge. it should be monitored but not stopped. would you say that sentiment is revellent amongst the republicans even if they publish this report or are there more concerns like stop it all together? guest: i moderate the an event with john moolenaar earlier this week. i spoke with him about this. i think he's very open to the sensitivities here. i think that there are other republicans maybe that aren't. there are some democrats that aren't. there are some very hawkish views on this that people are saying the united states government should wake up and

get its act together when it comes to sensitive national security, sensitive technology leaking out to u.s. adversary, rivals, and potential enemies in the case of china and the communist party. i think it's a question of whether or not -- it's this teddy roosevelt quote. liberty and order -- liberty without order and order without liberty are equally destructive. that applies here if you allow this to go on without any oversight are you asking for a disastrous situation. if you have too much oversight you are crushing that freedom of ingenuity and scientific scholarship that leads to the amazing technology that we have in the world today. host: i know you said that the universities here in the united states, some are closing their programs. any response from china over this report? guest: the chinese foreign ministry has near daily briefings similar to the u.s.

state department now. obviously in chinese although they are translated every day into english. i haven't seen a reaction to the report. i think that would be unusual. but we are keeping an eye on it. our threat status newsletter at the "washington times," we track the stuff every single day. host: one more call before we go to that hearing take ago look at trump administration assassination attempt. louisiana, republican line, kelly, hello. caller: hi. am i on? host: go ahead. caller: i just wanted to say that i'm a christian republican and i'm of right mind. and i have listened to all these things going on, and eight years ago, i have been watching what's going on for eight years now, and the trump assassination, there is a reason they are trying -- president trump's

going to clean the swamp. he's going to cut off all these evil tributaries, all the things that are not legal. host: got you. thank you very much. looking forward, even though this report is out, whether the questions you are asking, next steps, at least what the house might do or what are the next steps you think might happen in light of this report? guest: i think that interestingly i mentioned virginia foxx, chairwoman of education and workforce committee, she has backed legislation called the deter rent act that last year -- deterrent act that last year passed the house that would increase the federal government's guardrails on reporting requirements by universities. that act has -- that law is sitting in the senate where it's at for the last year. i think there is a question of whether or not there could be bipartisan support for it. i think there can in the senate. whether or not it can come to a vote. it's not going to happen before november 5 or january 1 in the

next congress. if i were looking for something, i would look up the deterrent act, that's most likely w-rt action is. host: our guest reports on it and podcasts on these issues of national security. where can they find that? guest: at the "washington times," www. "washington times".com. and the threat status portal. we have special video series where i talk to influencer in the national security community and world affairs community. we have a daily newsletter. and we also have a weekly podcast. we talk about some of these issues on the episode that drops on friday. host: guy taylor, thank you for your time. guest: thank you so much. host: as we told you just about few minutes from now the start of that house bipartisan task force hearing investigating the attempted assassination of former president trump. follow along on c-span. if you miss it follow along on our video app at c-span now and at always at c-span.org. that hearing set to take place in a few minutes. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2024]

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