vice presidential scholar joel goldstein discusses the role and history of vice presidti candidates as senator jd vance and goveor tim walz me tonight for their only debate. we will previewhe debate with 24sight news cofounder and national politics reporter tom lobianco and the atlanta journal-constitution's ernie suggs talksbout the 100th birthday jimmy carter. join the conversation live today. ♪ host: good morning, tuesday, october 1. tonight, vice president initial candidates jd vance and tim walz face-off in their only debate and likely the last debate of the campaign. it will be hosted by cbs news in new york city and is scheduled for 90 minutes with two

commercial breaks. this first hour, we will take your calls and get your thoughts on tonight's debate and the candidates. do you think vice presidential debates matter? here are the phone lines. if you support the trump-vance ticket, it is (202) 748-8001. if you support harris-walz, it is (202) 748-8000. for undecided voters, call us on (202) 748-8002. if you support neither of the candidates, call us on (202) 748-8003. you can use that same line to text us. if you do, include your first name, city, state. you can. push -- on social media. -- you can post on social media. facebook at facebook.com/cspan or on x at @cspanwj. we will show you some clips from both vance and walz, and we will

show you historical clips from the past. let's start with the rules of the debate tonight. they will not have an audience. candidates have to stand behind the podium. they will not be opening statements, although there will be closing statents. the campaign staff cannot interact with candidates during the commercial breaks. no thoughts are prewritten notes allowed on the stage, although they will be allowed to take notes during the debate. cbs news reserves the right to turn off microphones otherwise, they will remain on. o minutes to answer the moderators' questio, d the other candidate have two minutes to respond. an additional minute for rebuttal. moderators may allow an additional minute to continue the discussion. look at the house majority whip,

minnesota republican tom emmer, this sunday, talking about his role on prepping senator jd vance for the debate. [video clip] >> trump has been a disaster and minnesota. what happened is he is so good, this down-to-earth guy, until people get to know him and his policies. this whole congressional district where he played this character for several years of being kind of a folksy, ag- friendly outdoorsman, he has lasted in both gubernatorial races. he is not well-liked, because once you get to know the real tim walz, he is like gavin newsom a flannel shirt. >> i know you say things like that, so when you play him in debate, what do you do? have you had any mock debates yet? have you actually played him for jd vance? >> the debate is on tuesday night, so i will let your viewers decide that.

i am not going to get ahead of jd and the team. if they want to talk about what we did, when we did it, how many times, they can do that. for me, i have been doing my job in helping jd see what it is he will be dealing with tuesday night, but he is going to do a great job. he has the issues on his side. he can talk about the economy that donald trump fixed and that harris and biden broke and the border that trump fixed and they broke. he can talk about peace and stability around the world, which they do not even have a clue. they caused all this disruption. once he understands that tim walz is going to try to deflect with his folksy whatever, he will hold him accountable. i think jd will do a great job. host: also from sunday, vermont democratic governor lamont talked about what governor walz needs to do for the debate. >> i love tim walz.

i like guys who actually had a life before politics, unlike his opponent. i like that he is a coach, teacher. i like what he did in the guard. i think he puts the human face on the harris-walz policies. a big emphasis upon small business and startups and innovation. as opposed to big business orientation on the other side. what they are doing for the middle-class class to raise people up, helping people to own their own home and business. they will tell that story, and they will tell it well. host: we are taking your calls this morning on the vice presidential debate. it is happening numbers are on, divided by who you are supporting. we want to know if you think they matter. are you going to be watching? do you think it will impact your vote? we will be simulcasting that bate live, coverage starts at p.m. eastern tonight.

then thee itself will start at 9:00 p.m. after the debate, which will take about 90 minutes, we will be taking your calls and getting your reaction to it. we will start with elise, portland oregon, harris-walz supporter. caller: good morning thank you, c-span. i am voting for harris-walz for many reasons. and the people of america need to know how the democratic party is responding to catastrophic disasters. biden and harris are doing wonderful. i am a survivor of hurricane michael in 2018. and trump and governor scott,

they did not give the panhandle the herd earned money for 283 days. it is wonderful that biden and harris are helping the people. host: elise, are you going to be watching the debate tonight? caller: yeah, because i am tired of trump making false claims, lies about catastrophic disasters. i went through a cat 5 hurricane, and governor scott did not cover it. he denied the panhandle people money for years and years. he covered it up because of tourism. host: all right. let's talk to eric in washington, d.c., also a harris-walz supporter. caller: good morning, ma'am.

how are you? host: good. caller: i am a democrat, but the thing about it is that i sit here and watch the other running team, which is vance and donald trump, and the stuff that they are saying is just -- i just couldn't. for him to sit there and get on tv and lie that the president had not contacted him and people falling for it and the economy and good. the people are buying stuff and going on vacation. we fall for the okey doke that the sky is falling. and they going to leave the country. you went left the country yet.

you still here after four years. it is mind blowing for me that people are going for it. then you have people calling your station -- and i do not know what c-span's thing is about fact checking, but when you have someone spew stuff that not true, i would love for y'all to say, you know, that's not true, not accurate. host: what i thought was interesting was that cbs is not, and they have said this, they are not going to be fact checking the candidates. they said it was up to the other candidate to fact-check. they will be on their website, a lot of people will be doing live fact checking on the website. what do you think of that, that the moderators are not going to fact-check the candidates? caller: i think that is ridiculous, and that is on both sides. because false claims is false claims. but i was speaking of c-span. i am just like, all you got to

do is tell them that's not accurate. i know you do not want to date -- to debate with somebody, but we have got to stop spreading untruths. that is the problem of this country nowadays. the border situation has been horrible, and when donald trump says it has been bad -- the border situation, it is what it is because these people come here to work. and even though they are illegal and we need to change some laws and stuff, but he dun allow people to come in here. all presidents, ain't nobody going to stop this border. we should stop pretending that the border is going to stop. once the labor force is going, it is over with. we got people saying they taking jobs from people, black people jobs. ain't nobody taking my damn job. i work. sorry for the language. host: it is ok, but we got your

point. let's look at senator vance on the campaign trail in michigan last week. [video clip] sen. vance: the way i see the debate is simple, an opportunity for 90 minutes, governor walz and i are going to debate the issues that matter to the american people. it is simple, the candidacy, the team of substance, the team that actually has the record that we are proud of instead of running away from, and the team that actually has a plan is the team of trump vance. that is what i am going to try to do. [applause] i think one of the fundamental differences between kamala harris' campaign and donald trump's campaign, we speak to our fellow americans like they are citizens, because they are. kamala harris fixed a fellow americans like their children. i am going to try to talk about, here is explicitly what we are going to do to make your life better, and here are the things

that have made your life worse from the current administration. i think that is what the american people care about. that is my plan, so we are studying up on the issues and matters of the american people. i am looking forward to it, because as much as the moderators -- they may very well be biased, i know they were the first time, but it is an opportunity for me to tell the american people how i think we can make their lives better and how donald trump's policies can take the more prosperous and make the world more peaceful and then secure that southern border. if we do those things, we are going to win, and i believe we will. host: you can watch the debate tonight, our coverage starts at 8:00 p.m. eastern time, the bate starts at 9:00 p.m. breaking news from the ap, dockworkers at ports from maine to texas go on strike, which could cause shortages.

dockworkers at ports walking picket lines early tuesday in strike of wages and automation that could reignite inflation and cause shortages of goods if it goes on for more than a few weeks. some 45,000 members of the international longshoremen's association, affecting 36 ports, part of the union since 1977. we will continue to watch that and take your calls on the vice presidential debate. cheryl in lancaster, california. you are unsure. caller: i would like to know if anyone wants to hear my story as far as abortion goes. i was married and got a divorce, and 10 years later i was alone and wanted to raise a child by myself. i fell on hard times. i got pregnant just before 9/11. a month before the towers fell,

that is when i found out i was pregnant. i thought, great. i had that baby because i wanted that baby and wanted to raise it alone. i was with my ex-boyfriend, and i knew we were not going to be together. so i fell on hard times and was on welfare. i got on welfare and allowed my daughter through my marriage to live with her dad because he was doing well. so i found myself on the streets. i was raped -- might as well say, because i was misled. either way, a man came and got me pregnant. a tear came down my eye. i had to think of everything, and i ended up not having an abortion because i did not believe in it. then after 9/11, they cut welfare. here i was with two young babies and they cut my welfare because i had that baby. so i was supposed to have an abortion, apparently, because i cannot afford it.

i just thought, well, i will have to work real hard and come up with a support system. host: relate this back to the vice presidential debate. caller: yes, because that is a big issue. kamala heads the department of children services, so guess what, my kids were not taken from me but i became homeless because the youngest baby's dad decided -- he had his girlfriend call -- yeah, so my sister said she would take the kids. host: sorry to cut off your story. you are calling on the undecided line. has this issue caused you to decide on who you want to support? caller: no, not at all, except i do not want kamala harris because she does not care for children and she is a woman herself. you would think she would be changing the laws like nancy

schaffer did, and nancy was killed for us. she gets murdered -- murder-suicide, swept under the rug, by the way. yet, she killed her husband, and she was a senator for georgia. so the predators -- host: ok, we are moving on to rick who is a trump waltz supporter in iowa. that's who is a trump-vance supporter in iowa. caller: do i think the debate will change minds? i know it will not change mine. most likely, it will not change somebody who is voting democrat. the undecided, there will be more information to come out that folks don't normally get to hear. i think plenty of folks will tune in, but i do not think it will change the democrat or republican vote. but maybe on the margins, some of the undecided. the other thing, you mentioned

this longshoreman strike. i don't know, i listen to the business channel, and they were mentioning that they have not spoken, either side, to each other since june. this is just my take. this thing was a campfire, and it has now turned into a forest fire. they have not spoken since june, and i just noticed that biden and harris -- well, there folks, have mentioned it. they said, you know, these folks really ought to get together and do something about it, talk about it. we do not want to see a strike. like i said, this thing has been going on since june. so now we are getting at it. host: rick, are you going to be watching the debate tonight? caller: i will be, yes. host: what are you going to be looking for? caller: just more info.

like right now, i am sharing what i am sharing, which is basically more fodder to share. it is not going to change my mind. i am going to vote republican. but at least if somebody asks me, i will be a little more educated on the views of the participants. host: all right, rick. let's take a look at governor walz on the campaign trail in pennsylvania a few weeks ago, speaking about senator vance and project 2025. [video clip] gov. walz: this project 2025, and it funny to watch these guys -- oh, never heard of it in my life. 900 pages of it, i said, as a football coach, when you take the time to draw up a playbook, you're going to use it. they drew up a playbook, they know.

but i want to tell you something, it is what and how we think about this. my opponent, senator vance, headache q -- had a quote, you read it and hear camille gloss over it, but it is deeply disturbing. he said that when they could power, and they will use project 20 25, they need to be ruthless when it comes to the exercise of power. who says ruthless in the exercise of power who is running for a democratically elected position? this is not about power, this is about public service. [applause] this is not about power, it is about governing. host: we are taking your calls this morning, and we are also taking your facebook and x

posts. kareem on facebook, answering the question, do debates matter? he says, probably not, but this will be entertaining television tonight. diane on facebook says, the one with sale -- with sarah palin was interesting, tonight's not so much. jennifer says, yes, it matters, the vice president has to be ready to be president. let's talk to francine in north carolina, a harris-walz supporter. caller: hi, good morning. thanks for taking my call. i will be watching tonight, and it will not change my mind because i have already made up my mind. character matters and honesty matters. truth matters. and i have seen none of that from trump or vance. they continuously lie about everything. trump just lied about the

response to hurricane helene. and he just lies for no reason. and he is about to be sentenced for a felony crime, and i just cannot understand how you can support a man who is a convicted felon, who has cheated on all three of his wives, who lies continuously. make no bones about it. who hates brown and black people with everything he says, puts targets on their backs. and just divides and lies about everything to all of us. i cannot understand why you would support someone like that. host: francine, are you in an area of north carolina affected by the storm?

caller: i am in charlotte. we got a lot of rain but not a lot of flooding, no. we were pretty safe where i am. host: here is tom in garrison, minnesota, supporting neither of the candidates. caller: yes, hello, good morning. actually, the question was, to the vice presidential debates matter? -- do the vice presidential debates matter? host: what do you think? caller: no, because i think by this time people have made up their mind. barring an outrageous gaffe by either walz or vance, nobody is going to change their mind at this point. frankly, the two sides this year have been very pulled to the extremes. i think the candidates, presidential and vice presidential, have showed that,

and i think it is because of the primary and the caucus process nowadays that things have gotten extreme on both sides of the party. so once we get to the debates, i think it is pretty well cut and dried who you are going to vote for, or maybe this time people are just going to -- host: let me ask you this, when you say they do not matter, do you think that we should even have vice presidential debates? is it a big waste of time? caller:, well, i understand where you are going with that, but maybe it is just for entertainment value at this point. you know, it is something to talk about. how did the candidates do last night? and it is good fodder for inside the beltway. but out here were people actually vote, i really do not

think they do matter. i don't think they matter, except for some little minor issue in a history book 100 years from now, the vice presidential candidates really have not swayed the election, from what i read. host: and here is ray, elizabeth city, north carolina, trump-vance supporter. caller: thank you for taking my call. first, i want to correct a couple of the callers. yes, debates do matter because they bring up issues, issues the people are interested in and also vote for. one caller said trump does not like brown people, that is totally false. he is not a racist. he's not a racist in any shape or form. anyway, debates do matter.

i will be watching the debate very closely between vance and walz. primarily because of the issues, but the personal attacks i am leaving aside. but the issues really are important. we have a nation with inflation. we were energy independent, totally independent, under trump, which is a fact. we were selling energy. are we respected? i do not think many of the outside nations really would respect harris and walz at all. i shudder to think of a presidency with someone so indecisive as harris is. she had three years as vice president with biden, what has she done?

she did not go to the border, got called out on it. and she says she's going to do this as president from day one, but what is important to me is show what you have done. and that is a pretty dismal showing on her part. host: all right, ray. christopher, valiant, oklahoma, a harris-walz supporter. caller: good morning. i am going to watch the debate tonight. kind of worried about why people do not research people more. they talk about the left being radical and all these different things. jd vance, everybody talks about a book he wrote.

they should be looking at the books he reads and maybe his mentors and benefactors, like curtis your oven -- curtis yarvin and others that they have talked about a little bit, but they do not really do a deep dive. involved in a movement called the dark alignment. [indiscernible] to say the least, they talked about destroying democracy, having their own country outside of the united states, silicon valley and venture capitalists, and all these -- a lot of these people are atheists.

said he was a catholic. host: what are you going to be watching for in the debate? caller: well, i would hope that they would ask some harder questions about the backgrounds of both candidates, both vice presidential candidates. i do not know much about tim walz, but i do not think he reads this type of material. host: have you read jd vance's book, "hillbilly elegy"? caller: i have skimmed it, have not read the whole thing. host: all right. let's talk to willie in north carolina. caller: good morning. i find myself voting for president trump because of policy. the personal attacks on both sides --

host: go ahead. caller: yes, the personal attacks on both sides are irrelevant, have no merit, do not mean anything. the point is who can do the job. we have one person who has ascribed to do the job, and he has had three years in a secondary position and has accomplished nothing, another individual that has done it. he brings baggage, so does she. a lot of people use the race card, i heard someone say trump is a racist. most people, in particular, blacks in the southeastern coastal areas not know kamala harris, they really do not know her record as it pertains to black america. host: if we go back to -- we're talking about the vice presidential candidates. what is your opinion of jd vance? caller: i think that jd vance is going to wipe the floor with

walz. unlike trump, i think jd vance y stick more to policy. host: we did hear you. caller: whereas, i don't think tim walz wants to stay on policy in the policies and state of minnesota. so i think that's a very strong line of attack for jd vance on -- and that's prematurely have to say this morning thank you. host: carlin hedge ville, west virginia says this, my fellow brhemarine will kick his but , just hope it's not a repl of the abc where the moderators are allowed to fact check the republicans but let the democrats lie throu his teeth. sue in whiting new jersey says i am undecided, e vp debate matters if they can manage to stay on point and actually

answer rather than dodge the questions. and here is mimi in virginia. good morning. >> the debates do actually matter especially the vice presidential debate. because if it wasn't for mike pence, we would have never had a biden harris administration. so i want to know whether or not jd vance is going to certify the vote if you were to win in the trumpet mr. schumer to win, i would assume tim walz would because most democrats say that they would certify the vote. so what happens back in 2020, january 6, it's very important to democracy and i don't understand how people aren't engaged in think that even matters. it absolutely matters and that's

going to be whether or not the republicans want to accept the results i assume that the democrats will. host: here is vice president harris she was at fema headquarters yesterday talking about this. [video clip] >> i've received regular updates and over the past when he four hours i've spoken with governor kemp of georgia, cooper of north carolina and many local officials. i have shared with them that we will do everything in our power to help communities respond and recover and i've shared with them that i plan to be on the ground as soon as possible but as soon as possible without disrupting any emergency response operations because that must be the highest priority in the first order of business. the devastation from hurricane helene is immense. millions of americans are without power, thousands of

families have lost their homes. entire neighborhoods have been destroyed. many roads have been blocked or damaged leaving entire towns inaccessible at this very moment. nearly 100 people up and confirmed dead in the hundreds more missing. the destruction we have seen in alabama, north carolina, tennessee and virginia is heartbreaking. in coordination with state and local officials president biden deny continue to make sure communities have the support and the resources that they need not only to respond to this storm and its immediate aftermath, but also the resources they will need to recover. so far more than 3300 federal personnel are on the ground to assist with recovery efforts. they are deploying food, water and generators.

as we continue to work with teams on the ground to restore water and power as quickly as possible. to everyone who has been impacted by the storm and to all of those of you who are rightly feeling overwhelmed by the destruction and loss, our nation is with you. president biden and i and all the folks behind me are with you. we will continue to do everything we can to help you recover and to help you rebuild no matter how long it takes. host: back to the phones to tony. harris end wall supporter. caller: good morning, i think debates are very important because if you listen carefully you will hear the character of the candidate. in regards to personal attacks, i think they are not called for but unfortunately in this high

issue with immigration and discrimination and sexism it is ridiculous. one thing and i really don't understand is how can america not see what's going on when president trump was the president i did not fault him for the pandemic, but what i do fault him izzy wasn't a merit -- honest with america on covid. he did not have a distribution plan for the shot because -- it's not a personal attack to say trump is a criminal because in a court of law he was found guilty. so that's not a personal attack, it is a fact. and people say the moderators fact-check trump, yes they did because he lied in the debate.

, lewis fact checked also a bit on cnn that she had three overstatements. the bottom line is i support because the democratic platform. name one vice president that had a vice president -- had a policy in history. she's not the president. trump has no policies. if you ask them for a policy he will ramble on about immigration tradename trump -- policy the trump wants to do. that's the problem. if we want to say we want candidates to have a policy, you can agree or don't agree but she has policies, she is relayed what her plan is paid host: let's hear from former president trump talking in georgia yesterday. [video clip]

>> as you know where countries in the final weeks of a hard-fought national election. but at a time like this when a heist -- crisis hits, none of that matters, we are not talking about politics now we have to get together and get this solved with a lot of help. we look out for one another. we pitch in and we persevere and we pull through and that's really the american spirit. that's what made america originally great and that's why we come here with large semitrucks filled with relief aid and a tanker truck filled with gasoline with castling which they can get now. and we will be working to distributed throughout the day. i want to thank franklin graham

and everyone at samaritans first paid you people are fantastic. people appreciate you very much. [applause] for the incredible partnering and work that they have done not only here but all the time they always seem to be the first ones at areas a short time ago i received a briefing on the situation here from fema and the national guard as well, quite a few of them it's amazing the way it's all been pulled together. really amazing. >> let's go to steve. a trump vance supporter. caller: how are you doing. host: i'm doing great. caller: first volley of a great station. it's very unbiased. i want to hear anybody from walz or harris give proof about the project 2025. there is no proof.

pennsylvania real live in somerset pennsylvania where i live close to have been dropped off when he 500 haitians, 500 and somerset and i hear johnstown is being targeted next. third of all, how many women have to be raped and murdered for people to wake up. my son is very democratic. these people that came over didn't want to traffic humans, they did not carry fentanyl on their backs, it's a mess. we have to control this border. but again back to 2025, why can't somebody show proof that trump is tied to that. the answer is because there is none. thank you for hearing me i really appreciate it. host: sue in high fire, pennsylvania. harris supporter. caller: good morning.

i was calling to respond about the question about if the debate matters and yes certainly very much so i believe debates matter. it gives the average person an opportunity to see the candidates, what they believe in , what their ideas are. how truthful they are. just a general introduction sometimes to each candidate if you do not know them. as far as the two different sides of our political makeup, the democrats and the republicans, -- host: what will you be listening for tonight. what issues do you want to hear about? caller: well of course, how they feel about the border situation,

the economy. general big questions at all -- that are on everyone's minds and in their thoughts, how they help the average person, not the rich , let's face it the republicans, they are mainly for the rich. the democrats are for the working people. that's the way it is. and i want to hear more from jd vance to find out who he actually is. he seems to have a lot of extreme ideas just like trump to totally destroy our country is what trump is out to do. he is just out for himself and his rich friends. he wants to be a dictator. and that's the way i feel. from his last term it was horrible and it's going to be worse next time if he gets in. host: here is jimmy, undecided voter. caller: good morning. i just drove across the country,

this debate is actually in mean something because i think nobody knows either one of them to be honest with you and you can -- one thing about -- depressed needs to ask questions and for some reason you really can't get either side of them to focus down on what the problem is. i drove across this country i went with my wife, she's 93 about -- and we were in account bumper stickers. we started out in connecticut on i 70 right through from maine to california. we saw one bumper sticker for harrison connecticut and after that we didn't see one bumper sticker, one sign, anywhere along even in california it was amazing. we got to kansas and i went to

get some soup at the diner and there were a couple of black gentlemen in their it was the day trump almost got assassinated the second time and i had a conversation with them. they are totally for trump trade they said why do you think they're trying to kill them, he's not part of the country club. i talked to people along the way. we got back to california i said you know the total is paid she's a rachel maddow democrat she said it's unbelievable. trump signs are everywhere. host: where you can a tillis did that cause you to -- what are you thinking about? caller: the one gentlemen he was probably about 30 years old and said you know she works at mcdonald's, he said i works at mcdonald's i know exactly where i work. she's running for president, nobody has worked with her mcdonald's. the other one said yeah when joe biden called her and said he's getting out of the race she said

the day before he was the most competent guy in the room and all of a sudden now on sunday he's dropping out of the race and she didn't ask why you dropping out because according to her he was the most -- this is what they are telling me. host: so did you decide or are you still undecided? caller: i'm good to watch tonight and pay attention. host: i was give us a call us back a month and tell us what you decide. how long to that drive thank you? host: it took us four days -- caller: it took us four days. it was really an eye-opener. host: appreciate you sharing that with us. jonathan in michigan. good morning. caller: hello. thanks for taking my call. i think the debate is really important is one of your previous caller said we can get

to know these candidates better and i was can make a suggestion the jd vance's book you can read it, you can also listen to it on audible and if you listen to it, jd vance himself narrates it. so i think there's kind of no excuse for people to not know who he is at this point. as for myself, i remained -- i voted democratic mostly my entire life but i remained open-minded. and i'm good to be supporting trump vance this go around. i did listen to hillbilly elegy, i thought it was an excellent book. jd vance obviously understands drug addiction because his mother suffered horribly from drug addiction. to me he came across as very articulate, very smart, very thoughtful.

and so i recommend people do that. i did want to make one other point which is that i hear a lot from the trump -- from the harris supporters talking about trump's lying all the time, that seems to be like number one thing, it's always about trump. well, a lot of the -- a lot of the attacks on trump are the -- are themselves lies. on of your the call is made the point about project 2025 not being trump's plan, it's a simple thing. you play the coat -- the quote from tim walz that that's trump's playbook. that's just a straight up lie. it comes from the heritage foundation, sure the heritage foundation is conservative but that doesn't mean it's trump's plan. you know, everybody has ideas so

why do we allow that to be said that it's trump's plan, it's not. the last thing would like to say is the most heinous lies are about calling trump a racist and just one simple example there. if you listen to what trump said about charlottesville about the riots in charlottesville, you get the whole clip, he made it crystal clear he was condemning neo-nazis and white nationalists. he made it crystal clear that he condemned them totally. yet in the trump paris debate we heard harris bring that episode up saying trump supported neo-nazis and white nationalists. i urge people to do that, that was alive. host: this is pulled fact is doing some fact checking right now. this says prep for the vice presidential debate with

fact-check and you can see all of these things, false and misleading claims about immigrants, about project 2025 like jonathan just mentioned. military and political record, it is all there and they will also be live fact checking the debate. we want to show you this poll that came out from the ap about favorability ratings of the two vice presidential candidates. tim walz is favorable at 42%, is unfavorable of 32. those that say they do not know enough about him are 25%. for jd vance's favorability rating is 27%. unfavorable at 57. and don't know enough about him at 21%. so about one in five. woodstock, virginia, mike. a harris walz supporter.

caller: good morning and as always thank you c-span for doing a great job. i have a couple of quick things. i am part of the shenandoah county virginia democratic committee and we have been all over as you know a pretty red district as far as our u.s. house representative and as far as our state legislature representatives. however going on some of your major questions if i may and i will try to go quickly, vice presidential debates do matter, you just had the favorability, don't know enough numbers up on screen. i like our fellow americans to remember that whether historically or currently people look at a vice president as what did they really do, etc.. you have to remember that the vice president has to step in

regardless of who the president may be. they have to be prepared to walk into the oval office, whether in the past it was reported mr. trump did not take many of the briefings, etc., i think mr. pence obviously was a more honorable man. but those debates -- tonight's debates so-called debate, is the question posed to both persons participating and are they held to here is the question. when -- if you and i had a conversation, if you asked me here's a question and i just did not go there at all, you would have no confidence in what i was saying. governor walz is a governor, that is a chief executive position. a chief executive, the

presidency is a chief executive position. and that experience overseeing executive branch department operations and working with legislatures on law and appropriations, etc.. mr. vance has recently been up on several video clips saying write out when the whole springfield issue about haitians came up and not only has he doubled down on that, but he out right said we are running a campaign and if we have to lie to advance. host: create stories, yes. if we have to create stories to get media attention we will. caller: yes ma'am, thank you for making the clarification.

you are obviously picking up on what i was saying. host: here is brent in pennsylvania. an undecided voter. caller: how are you doing. host: i'm doing great. caller: the question today is due debates matter and i think this vice president will debate will matter much more than many in the past. simply because the policies may be discussed instead of just personal attacks and innuendos, i think these two gentlemen will probably stick to the policies later are than the previous debates. so in that i hope to get more informed about what they will actually say and what their actual positions are. host: do you think you will decide at the end of this debate who you will support? caller: at this point i would probably lean to the republicans

side on debate issues that i have heard. some of the things i don't particular care about the democratic party is they attacked the republican party about democracy being upheld when their candidate did not receive any votes. so it's a little struggle for me to understand how they use that and say -- use that as a talking point against the republicans. the truly it would be nice to hear what the positions are without all the personal attacks and i think this will be a much more articulate debate about policies and we have seen in the presidential debates. host: given that you are in pennsylvania in a very swing state are you getting a lot of visits, are people knocking on your door trying to convince you one way or the other?

caller: basically i live in a very rural area and i've got nobody knocking on the door although i do get mailings, things that i receive in the mail. from both political parties. another issue that is kind of geared to me is women's rights issues and when i look at the policies being put forward from the democratic party, supporting transgender athletes and i believe that has a negative effect on the scholarship opportunities of women. i feel that that's a little bit misleading when they push women's rights but you know,

with bathroom facilities being opened transgender's i believe that that affronts the privacy rights of women. so in that i feel as though the democratic party is a little bit misleading on how they -- host: i have one more question for you paid early voting has started in pennsylvania. you plan to vote early or are you planning to wait until election day? caller: i will wait till election day. i personally believe elections should be held on a national holiday so that all people are able to go vote in person. host: that would be nice brent. we are going to go on to jim in florida. good morning. caller: good morning. first of all i want to tell you i've been a democrat most of my life. i did vote for trump when he ran last time and i am now a

republican, i changed. i want to explain something to all the people out there. down here in florida we have a lot of citrus, we did have but a lot of it has been destroyed this disease. my father worked over 100 mexicans from mexico every year. my dad would go down and make sure everyone of them had their green card and we would check once a week or every two weeks by the border patrol and he did it the right way. i notice a lot of the mexican people are upset because of the people coming across the border. they did it the right way and 90% of them are americans now. my dad help them get their citizenships, but i think tonight the vice presidential debate means a lot. an ideal to hear what both parties have to say but i will

tell you people attacked trump about this, whatever he's done in his life, that is his business and that's all we have to go with. but as far as kamala harris, she didn't do nothing and people say well, the president told her to. she told her -- she went one time to the border. host: can i ask you a question about immigration in the border. former president trump has said he wants to do mass deportations. would you be in favor of that and would that work given the type of work that you do? caller: no ma'am, this is what i think. i think the ones that came over here to work and brought their families over here, i think they need to set up a program like they did when my dad was running the crew, they need to get through the whole process and if

they want to come here to make a better life and work and raise their family i don't see nothing wrong with that because they are hard workers, but the ones that come across here that are gang members sure they need to weed them out. every one of them people is not bad. listen i grow up around these people from mexico working for my dad, they are hard workers, they are great people. they would send money home for the family that could not come here. stuff like that. i just think everybody needs -- and another thing i want to make a point real quick. i really respect you and i respect c-span, but listen, i really believe -- i'm not saying kamala harris is a bad person, but i'm afraid if she gets in office we are going to go to world war iii. it's really getting bad.

trump does have a way with these people. he can stop a lot of this. but you know at the end of the day i just want to say people are people. god loves everybody and these are hard-working people. some came over here and they did really bad things. but how many people in america have done bad things? look at the prison system. host: gary in washington, d.c.. an undecided voter. caller: yes, i think this debate will be very positive and we will find out more. i'm leaning towards tim walz. he is an enlisted man in the military, my wife was a teacher, he is a teacher. i think he knows the middle class, that's where he came from. i think he's can it be another lbj and i think he is going to do a great job area -- great

job. all these people who are saying that vice president didn't do this and didn't do that. do your research to find out what she's done. she's been preparing for this presidency. she has done a lot of stuff, she was a very successful ag and senator. she is pretty hard on hard on c. i don't know why these people are so blind. they don't know anything about her. if they just want to pass judgments. it trump is a liar and heritage foundation is -- on the republicans. host: mark, a harris-walz

supporter. caller: i have already voted for harris. i want to vote for public servants who are experienced and who know have to do the job and working for me. i don't feel like republicans worked for me. jd vance got out of bl as a lawyer, the first thing pete did was worked for a billionaire. he hasn't even been a senator for two years. tim walz has been a congressman for 12 years and has been a governor. he has been a soldier, a teacher, a coach. this is the kind of person i believe in and i don't believe trump cares about me. i believe he cares about putin and musk and all of his buddies. so please, a vote for your own

interests, someone who will protect social security and protect medicare and protect unions in somebody who cares about middle-class people because it sure isn't trump and vance. host: more to come. up next, more on tonight's closely watched by presidential debate with joel goldstein, after the break. ♪ >> he said we shouldn't allow a weapon that i used in order to be on american streets. i wonder, when were you ever in war #what was this weapon that you carried into were given that you abandoned your unit and has not spent a day in the combat zone. senator vance got called out

about telling lies about immigrants. he said i am willing to create stories to drum up support for us. >> watched vice presidential debate live on c-span as minnesota governor tim walls in ohio senator jd vance take the debate stage and go head-to-head for the first time. coverage begins at 8:00 p.m. eastern followed by the debate at 9:00. the cbs news vice presidential debate, simulcast live on c-span , c-span, your unfiltered view of the politics. >> c-span now is a free mobile app featuring your unfiltered view of what is happening in washington, live and on-demand, keep up with the day's biggest events with live streams of floor proceedings and hearings from the u.s. congress, white house events, debates and cafes

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host: what does history tell us about how important and consequential vice presidential debates are? guest: it is a range of experience. generally speaking the vice presidential debate isn't decisive in a presidential campaign but it is an important part of the introduction of vice presidential candidates to the american people, often times the candidates are people who are relatively new to the national scene. it is important both in terms of a discussion of the issues before the campaign and a chance to measure the people, one of whom will be a heartbeat away from the presidency and considering them in that context. host: let's go back to 1976. this would have been the first

televised vice presidential debate between walter mondale and bob dole. i will play a portion and we will talk about it. [video clip] >> 10 days ago and senator mondale raise the watergate and nixon pardon, it started the campaign mudslinging. when you are running for senate two years ago, he said the pardon was prematurely granted and that it was a mistake. you were quoted as saying you can't ignore our tradition of equal application of the law. did you approve of it when president ford granted it and do you approve now and if it was fair game in your campaign in kansas and why is it not appropriate now? >> it is an appropriate context for guests but it is not any more appropriate than world war ii for democrat words in this century. if we added up the killed and

did, democrat words in this century will be 1.6 million americans, enough to fill the city of detroit. if we want to go back over and over that, we can do that. i assume senator mondale does not want to do that, but simply the pardon of richard nixon is behind us. watergate is behind us. we have a vision for americans if they are concerned about the people and their problems, we are to be talking about education and jobs. i know it strikes a ford for some to kick nixon around. how long can you keep that up. so much can you fix the link around. his wife suffered a stroke and he has been out of office and he stepped down. i think after two years and some months it is probably a dead issue. but that is the only game they know. >> i think senator dole has

richly earned his reputation as a hatchet man. by implying and stating that world war ii and the korean war were democratic wars. does he really mean to suggest to the american people that there was a partisan difference over our involvement in the war to fight nazi germany? i don't think any reasonable american would accept this. and he really mean to suggest it was only partisanship that got us into the war in korea? did he really mean to forget that part of the record where mr. nixon, and the republican party wanted us to get involved earlier in the war in vietnam? and long after mr. nixon and the republican party finished the war, they kept urging us forward. it was the democratic congress that passed law and the war in vietnam and preventing a new war in angola.

on watergate, we are not charging him we know his involvement. we are saying the defendant, mr. nixon. >> "washington journal" continues. was that the first vice presidential bait in 1976? guest: -- vice presidential debate in 1976? guest: the two men who had debated often in the senate both coming from farm states and both went on to become presidential nominees. senator goal did what candidates do so often in these debates is they answer the questions and want to talk about, not question that was asked but in doing so, he made a statement attributing the wars to the democratic party and senator mondale jumped on him for it.

after this debate, then governor jimmy carter will eat started mentioning mondale more and more in his beaches and emphasizing him and suggesting that his first presidential decision was choosing mondale for his running mate and president ford had chosen dole and was the reason why carter said the people should support him and not president ford. senator goal went on to be a revered national leader and statesman put in the 1976 campaign and in part because of that moment he was viewed as a controversial person and developed a reputation as a political hitman and some people blamed him in part for the loss of president ford in that election. host: why start only in 1976?

there were presidential debates going way before that, 1960 was the televised debate. why start then? what was the thinking behind presidential debates. guest: there had been the famous presidential debate between senator john kennedy and vice president richard nixon in 1960. within that had not been debates after that although the underdog was always pressing for debates in the candidate who was ahead was always resisting them. in 1968, the democrats wanted to have a debate between the candidates and the republicans wanted nothing to do with that idea. in 1976, president ford was 30

points behind coming out of the republican convention. he challenged governor carter to a debate which governor carter immediately accepted. he very much believed in the idea of political discourse and enhancing democratic experience and wanted to elevate the vice presidency so the four debates included one between the vice presidential candidates. host: you can start calling in now if you have a question and would like to join, republicans can call (202) 748-8001, democrats (202) 748-8000, an independents (202) 748-8002. i want to put up on the screen the most watch vice presidential debates in order of how many households were watching the

debate in the most watch was 2008 with biden versus palin at 41.7% and goes from there. harris versus pence and biden versus ryan and goes down after that. let's talk about that one between then vice president biden and governor sarah palin. why do you think it was so widely watched? guest: i think largely it was because governor palin was viewed as intriguing and controversial. there were a lot of questions that developed before the debate as to whether she was really prepared to be a heartbeat away, although she had an impressive rollout when senator mccain made the surprise announcement that she would be his running mate

and then made a dynamic speech at the republican convention. and she botched a few interviews once she started having interviews and said things that were then mocked on saturday night live and other places. i think there was a lot of interest as to whether she could handle herself and how was she going to do, including in the mccain camp. so i think that made that presidential -- vice presidential debate the only time he drew a higher audience in the presidential debate that year. host: let's take a look at a portion of that debate. [video clip] >> all you have to do is go down union street or walk into home depot where i spend a lot of time in you ask anyone whether or not the economic and foreign-policy of this administration has made the better off in the last eight years and asked whether there was a single major initiative that john mccain differs with

the president on, taxes, iraq, afghanistan, on the whole question of how to help education and on dealing with health care. the people in my neighborhood get it. they know they have been getting the short end of the stick. so go back to my old neighborhood. go up to scranton with me. these people know the middle class has gotten the short end and the wealthy have done very well in corporate america has been rewarded. barack obama it will change it. >> so there you go pointing backwards again. now let's look ahead and tell americans will we have to plan to do for them in the future could you mentioned education and i'm glad you did. i know education you are passionate about and i say it with education, america needs to

be putting a lot more focus on that in the schools have got to be ramped up in terms of the funding they are deserving. teachers needed to be paid more. i can -- come from a houseful of teachers. my grandparents and my brother who i think is the best school teacher. and here is a shout out for all of the students watching. host: i just want to remind viewers that we have all of the vice presidential debates going back to the first one in 1976 and presidential debates going back to 1960 on our website. we have a special page set aside for you to peruse those. that is c-span.org/presidential -- debate. you can find it on our website and take a look. the choice of sarah palin and if

that could have impacted the race, where you come down on that? guest: i think the choice of governor palin did end up hurting senator mccain a bit. it undercut his theme of putting america first when he chose somebody who had less than two years of experience as a governor of the state and who i think came through too many as not ready to be a heartbeat away from the presidency. but that is certainly not the reason senator mccain loss. he entered a construct in which there were grave economic problems and people were unhappy with the war in iraq and inherited a lot of baggage from the bush administration. i think going into the race he was the underdog and that part accounted for his decision to

choose governor palin as his running mate rather than somebody like senator joe lieberman who i think was his preferred choice but he concluded that ticket would not win against senator obama and senator biden. host: coming back to the present day, how do you think that the two current vice presidential candidates are impacting their tickets? guest: i think they are playing different roles consistent with the reason for their selection. senator vance who was chosen first i think was chosen largely as an effort by former president trump to double down on energizing the base of the republican party and supporters and to emphasize the policies

and approach that he himself had taken. senator van of those who he was considering was the one who he could rely upon to be most and most adhered to that message. i think governor walz was an outreach selection for vice president harris, although they seem to be, a vice president and governor walz them to be positioned very similarly. their backgrounds are very different demographically in their life experiences are different and i think in part this selection seemed to reflect an effort to reach out and expand her base of support. host: let's bring callers in. walter in arizona, democrat. caller: good morning.

professor goldstein, i want to tell you that i noticed earlier that you are in massachusetts and i grew up down there. so congratulations, one of the nicest places in the world to me. i want to ask you about something i saw on a media clip from youtube where senator vance was on a podcast a few years ago talking about the need to eliminate universities in the united states. that is very disturbing to hear him say that and he is running as a national vice presidential candidate and went on further to say that we need to eradicate all of the leadership in government. what is your response to that?

guest: i have not heard the whole clip. i think universities serve a tremendously important function, both in terms of educating people, making it possible for people to advance economically and to have opportunity in the united states. that is certainly with the experience of both senator vance and governor walz, their experience of going to university after coming from very modest upbringings has opened up new possibilities so getting ready to be on the stage tonight to run for the vice presidency, so at the university play an important right, --

important role giving people the opportunity to advance in an terms of the research they do in terms of searching for truth and exploring new areas of science, discoveries that help all of us with healthy lives. host: here is shown in florida, independent line. caller: i was wondering if your guest might comment on the fact that abc maybe considering to replay the debates and former president trump's position that he won hands down. what would that do to the presidents situation? host: you are talking about replaying the presidential debate? caller: absolutely. host: do have a comment on that? guest: i think the overwhelming view of the whole and also the

commentators across the spectrum was that vice president harris won the presidential debate that she had with mr. trump and so i wouldn't inc. replaying the debate would enhance your trump's position. caller: i don't think it would enhance his position but he claims to have won the debate so if they replay it wouldn't that put him in a different light with his followers? guest: i would say that the vice president's campaign would be delighted to have that debate replayed again and again and in fact she has agreed to another debate and former president trump hasn't and i suspect that

the democrats will suggest that's an indication of the trump campaign's view of who won the first debate. host: i want to ask you about this ap poll that came out about favorability of the vice presidential candidates. we will put it on the screen. walz's fair ability -- favorability compared to vance. so if you could just talk about those numbers and what you make of that. guest: there has been quite a lot of pulling of the favorability of the vice presidential candidates and consistently they have shown that both governor walz is viewed much more favorably than senator vance.

but also senator vance's numbers started out historically at lower than vice presidential candidates in the past have and they have gone steadily downhill. the ap poll was one that showed among the largest margins between favorability and on favorability. the overwhelming showing from the polls has been consistent with the idea that senator vance is viewed unfavorably overall and especially outside of the republican base. that presents a challenge for him and it suggests that governor walz may be better positioned to appeal to voters outside of his own base than senator van.

his appeal is mostly to voters are firmly in the trump-vance ticket. host: we have a question on tax from kristin in portland, maine who says, jd vance and trump had criminal charges filed against them in springfesterday for their admitted lyiinst haitian immigrants. do you know of anyer vps who have hadnal charges while nning for office, and you think this should be a topic of the debate tonight. i do. i will give some context about what she is talking about from the columbus dispatch, haitian nonprofit filed charges against vance and trump work springfield claims. it says that they are charging them for repeated claims without evidence about haitian immigrants in springfield eating pets. it vance posted claims about haitian immigrants adopting and

eating pets and trump repeated them during the debate. the local and state officials of the claims are false. central ohio city of 60,000 has been plagued by bomb threats and poor school attendance as the situation gained national attention. professional goldstein? -- faster goldstein? guest: to exit goldstein? -- professor goldstein? guest: to answer the question, i don't remember another vice president candidate being charged while running. i think this episode certainly will be one that will be discussed, in the sense that senator vance made the allegations, repeated allegations have been made

against patients in springfield, ohio. it turned out they were said to be entirely false and after it was made clear by the wall street journal and others that these were untrue allegations, he said something to the effect that he was going to continue to create stories in order to make the larger point with respect to immigration. i think it is a story in and of itself but it also relates to a larger question of proper behavior in political campaigns and also simply to what extent are candidates responsible for making certain things they are saying have some basis in truth

before the air them. host: going back to the pull from the ap, one in four people said they felt like they didn't know enough about the vice presidential debates. is that a typical number? do people know more about the candidates, less about the candidates at this point in the campaign? guest: i think that is a pretty typical number. it is not unusual for people not to know much about vice residential candidates at the time of the vice presidential debate. that was certainly reflected in polls for instance in 1976 debate which you showed between senator mondale and senator goal. both were in for a long time and yet a large number of people didn't have information about that. i think that was true in many of

the debates. it is interesting. if you look at the vice presidential debate, often times the people who are on the stage in vice presidential debates go on to be presidential candidates, nominees. in two cases even presidents, george bush and joe biden were later elected president. before the debates, often times 20% to 30% for even more feel they have a information about them. that is part of the importance of this evening's event. it gives people a chance to see the vice presidential debate and candidates and see them in a high-pressure, high-stakes event. host: here is will in in sturgeon bay, democrat. caller: i would like to ask you,

kamala harris was tasked with tackling the immigration problem and a lot of people like my self leave the biden administration hung her out to dry, much like a center to central america. immigration is one of the biggest issues going right now. is there another vice president you can think of who was tasked with such an important topic as immigration? guest: i think the point that will is raising is an important one. i think actually there really has been a lot of misstatement about exactly what was the nature of vice president harri'' assignment. she was never the border czar and never the person put in

charge of immigration. what president biden assigned her to do was to look at the situation in three central american countries, el salvador, honduras and guatemala and to try and come to grips with what were the structural causes in those countries of the fact that many were leaving those countries to try and come to the united states. what vice president harris did was try to address long-term problems in those countries like the presence of political corruption, and the lack of the existence of crime. all of this were matters that were really long-term problems that weren't going to be fixed overnight. actually in the second obama

term, then vice president biden had a very similar assignment with respect to central america. i think there was nothing inappropriate about the assignment that vice president harris was given. it was an important and difficult assignment and an assignment that cut across a lot of different departments and it was appropriate for a vice president but she was never the border czar and never in charge of immigration, and to the extent there has been a lot of rhetoric during the campaign to that effect, it is simply untrue. other vice presidents have at times been given important assignments. dan quayle was in charge of the competitiveness council which was an important way in which george h w bush administration tried to deal with regulations

and al gore was in charge of reinventing government headed up some bilateral commissions with other countries including russia . a number of vice presidents have had challenging assignments. host: here is william in ohio, republican. caller: i am kinda concerned about the way things are going right now. it looks like we are headed for a war and guys like you have on right now better get ready to pick up a gun. i am not protecting him. host: foreign policy, what are you seeing in the difference in the candidates? is that a fair question for vice presidential candidates about their position on foreign affairs? guest: sure. vice president, the vice

presidency has developed from the carter mondale administration. in the model that has been followed by most administrations of both parties, the vice president is an across-the-board advisor and troubleshooter for the president and takes on assignments that need to be handled at the highest level. so the president is an advisor to the president and not simply on domestic matters of personnel or its economic matters and also on foreign policy. as a member of the national security council by law, the vice president takes international trips. one of the things vice president harris did was take a number of high-profile missions that president biden assigned her to. she went and spoke at the munich

national security conference and has been to asia and to europe each six or seven times. she went to represent the united states at the climate change conference in dubai when the war between israel and hamas was beginning. vice presidents have to handle delicate matters of diplomacy as an agent for the president as well as give the president advice. so certainly an important area of discussion. host: and both men have midwestern roots with humble beginnings. how do you think their backgrounds have played out so far in the campaign? guest: i think some of the battleground states in the election are in the midwest and so i think part of the thinking was they could be helpful in terms of appealing to voters in

the midwest as well as elsewhere. our campaigns have changed over time. it used to be they were much more national in scope but as campaigns have focused increasingly on battleground states, candidates tend to spend more and more time in the contested states and certainly they have been spending time in states like michigan and wisconsin, among other states where presumably both parties hope their backgrounds will resonate with voters there. host: let's talk to monty in bend, oregon, republican line. caller: i was just curious, what do you see as the dangers to

democracy by putting somebody up as a vice residential candidate who seems to be the mouthpiece for proven lies and his running mate, trump, who time and time again tend to lie in debates. what are the dangers of democracy, why are we putting up someone who is just going to lie and when the debate is over both sides will claim that they won but really only one side, the trump in advance campaign have been proven to live? how does that affect our democracy now and in the future? host: professor goldstein? guest: i was recently at the gerald ford presidential museum in grand rapids, michigan, and president ford right after he

was sworn in as president, one of the things he said that to some extent has been lost and i think was an important statement, was he said i believe the truth is the glue that holds government together. not only our american government but civilization itself. it seems to me that really for our constitutional system is predicated to a great extent on the premise that people tell the truth, and that was really an idea that president ford reiterated again and again and made similar statements when he testified in the vice presidential hearing before the house and senate. but so much of our lives depends upon a reliance that the people

were dealing with are telling the truth. so the idea that candidates for political office would not tell the truth is one that ultimately is destructive of democracy and is threatening to civilization. part of the function of debates and campaigns is to call out the misstatements that are made and to try and correct the record. host: who do you think should do that? abc came under criticism for the moderators fact checking former president trump. cvs has said the moderators will not be fact checking what you make of all that? guest: it seems -- cbs has said the moderators will not be fact checking what do you think of all of that? guest: what is been most

effective is where the journalists have really performed the role of journalists and have pushed candidates when they do make misstatements. things are moving fast and you can't always fact check everything in real time but there are some statements that are so clearly untrue that it does seem to me that it is unfair to viewers not to point them out in that case and it does seem to me that part of the role or should be part of the role of the journalist as well as the opposing candidate. one of the most dramatic moments in vice presidential debate history was the exchange between the 1988 debate of senator quayle's experience. but that only happened and

senator quayle did not make any misstatements but that was an instance where that only happened was because in advance the members of the panel had agreed they would follow up on each other's questions and some of the journalists felt senator quayle was not giving a complete answer and that kept coming back to it and that is how the whole movement emerged. i think the role of the journalist is an important one during the vice presidential debate as well. host: diane in huntingburg indiana, independent line. caller: i have been watching your show. i loved it. i love the open forms in hearings and rallies. i am so excited about the debate tonight. i have question. they need to answer about the tan france invoice bathrooms,

kids -- the tam ponds in boys bathrooms -- tampons in boys bathrooms, kids with changing their sex and who is going to pay for housing for 70 countries of refugees. harris and biden and close the borders now and the hr to bill secured the border and chuck schumer has it and is sitting on his desk. the border bill harris wants does not stop illegals from coming in. she wants amnesty. host: are you making the comment or do you have a question? caller: i have a question. i have tried it channels for over eight years c-span and

foxbusiness and fox news are the only two that will tell you the truth on the borders. msnbc is the most hate trump news i have ever seen in my life. they won't tell the truth. nobody knows the truth about the borders and the hr to bill the house passed is sitting on schumer's desk and secures the border. host: this is from sue in new rs on tax, when did it become theorm in a political dete to mock, smear, insult and talk over your opponent? ar these considered acceptable maneuvers to score points? and i would just add to that, the trend and how debates have? guest: that is a wonderful question.

there have been some vice presidential debate when you go back and watch them or read them, they were extraordinarily civil. the 1990 six debate between vice president al gore and former country of housing and representative jack kemp was one that fits that description, as was the 2000 debate between former secretary of defense dick cheney and senator joe lieberman . both instances where the candidates talked about respect for each other and were very civil in nature. to some extent, the behavior turns up on the format and whether it is supposed to be an open ended discussion where people try to barge in on each

other or where it is understood that one party gets to speak for two minutes and then the other for two minutes. but i think that it also speaks to a decline in the level of civil discourse in our country, the fact that less and less we tend to each other and fairly engaged with each other and more and more people tend to listen to one side or the other than to really question as much as we should whether the statements that are being made are based on fear or another point of view into talk to each other in a way that we are not simply talking to each other but listening to each other. and i think that has been requested from some of the candidates in the debates as well. in some of the debates, past

experiences, one of the reasons they meet in the microphones is because a candidate would continue talking when it was his rival's turn. host: joel goldstein, his book is called "the white house vice presidency." is also a of law emeritus at the saint university school of law. thank you for having me. guest: i enjoyed. host: we are going to go to open form. you can call republicans, (202) 748-8001, democrats (202) 748-8000 and independents (202) 748-8002. ♪ >> is the 2024 presidential

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and on our video app c-span now. also after this program is the former u.s. secretary of state hillary clinton will be talking about women's political leadership and awards former heads of foreign government and contributions of women peace builders from palestine and israel. you can watch this event from georgetown university live running at 10:00 p.m. eastern, right after this program and also on the app and online. we will go to calls. dave in texas, a republican line. caller: thank you for your show. i am sorry i missed your last guest, but mark twain famously said once, any idiot can recognize the wrong answer. it takes a genius to recognize the wrong question. i would suggest the moderators

in the debates i have watched our so highly partisan and quite frankly as a debater myself, i can't how they don't challenge these questions. and douglas debated and traveled on the same train across america. that was when debating was truly debating. what we have now is a seemingly guiltless media, biased in an attempt to sway an election. as far as i am's, the republicans, trump most glaringly, fall into that trap of not recognizing a wrong question.

they should be rephrasing these questions so they are not partisan and so they are not biased. host: randy in michigan, line for democrats. caller: i am comments. i wonder if trump is going to get on truth social or x and call of the firing of all these workers on the docks. host: the strike of the workers? caller: yes, you can inspire them all. in the thing fox news going to eric trump in georgia lying about the white house client governors. that is all i have. host: let me get you an article about that as well. there is phyllis schenectady, new york, independent. caller: i am calling because i

seem to get the impression when people are calling in and complaining about debate and a lot of people calling our i am guessing trump porters that they become very irate and if something isn't going the way they feel they should go during a debate for after the debate has happened, they jump right on the moderators who were conducting the debate and they blame them which seems to be typical for trump supporters. when they are questioned as to why they have complaints about the moderators and they seem to be very angry and become irate.

started with donald trump. donald trump one of the first things he did was to criticize the media, and that they are only slight but he put so much attention on them and he calls -- caused quite a bit of problems, especially with his debate. he accused them of being the enemy of the people in just the rhetoric that he spewed. and then the democrats of causing the second assassination on his life with the rhetoric he spews is so hateful and i just think that it is dangerous. just the other day he said that his deponent was deranged and

born deranged and is bid. his rhetoric has caused loss of many lives in this followers will go and try to intimidate people. there are so many people going around now that have to have security they can afford it and some of them can't afford it. but the anger and rhetoric that he spews has caused the lives of many people. host: to go back to what the previous caller was talking about, this is the hill.com. so amid trump's schism, the georgia governor brian kemp, a republican -- criticism, the governor brian kemp of georgia was praising the response of the government. trump said cap had trouble reaching resident biden and it

was confirmed that biden spoke to the governor on sunday to offer support as estate goes to the damage from hurricane helene. this is the latest on hurricane helene from cbs news. it does -- we will get that later. this is just for an ellicott city, maryland, republican. caller: good morning. i watch this show every day and i see many with trump derangement syndrome. i would like to know why fox news can't host a debate. i believe the vice presidential debate is important because you see both candidates at the time and i believe it should be another presidential debate but have it hosted by fox news,

somebody isn't as biased as the debate has been by the media. host: fox news the only one you would trust to moderate a debate? caller: not necessarily. host: who else? caller: they are clearly being moderated by a biased animal -- panel. i want to see both vice president and presidential face the american public by themselves without the rhetoric of a lot of the commentators that are on the air that are clearly biased. host: here is the article from cbs news. it says here's how hurricane helene brought biblical

devastation to western north carolina in and near worst-case and aerial. you can read more about the reporting that about 130 people have been result of that storm. adrian from pennsylvania, democrat. caller: i would like to make a couple of comments. or ask a few questions. concerning january 6, had there been a bunch of jewish people -- host: are you still there? caller: had there been a bunch of jewish people, how do you think they would have reacted? had a been a bunch of spanish people, orientals, blacks? that is all i want to know.

host: chris in huntsville, alabama. independent line. caller: good morning. regarding the debate this evening, everybody should review the jd vance interview on jack murphy live on september 17, 2021. in the interview he espoused the united states government should seize control of the harvard endowment if it did not reflect their political or cultural views. in the same interview he says companies are in a likewise position not to agree with his political views if they should be punished. i think everybody needs to be aware of that and think of that when they are watching this debate. thank you for your time and being able to listen and being able to speak to america. host: pennsylvania, the line for republicans.

lori, you are on. caller: good morning. many things to talk about. maybe a response on trump from previous callers. trump has every reason to be rough around the edges. years of lies and now attempted assassinations. it is called being a fighter for our rights and for our freedoms and our livelihood at stake. for years i have seen how many people will call in and make this crisis we are in about themselves. their life, their personal bank account. one needs to see the whole picture. what about the border? the murder, the drugs, the rapes, the human trafficking and endless corruption in government? why is our food, water, and air compromised? other countries have more holistic measures in place. in america -- americans should

not have to travel out of this country to seek healing for disease. president trump started correcting issues and it was only to get better his second term until i believe the election was stolen. every time people forget these things we just turned a blind eye. lastly, about inflation. a four-your high. -- prices continue to rise. when trump can overturn biden's neglect, the orders he overturned first day in office and return american energy dominance we will finally be back on track. that is with everything. trump has capabilities to bring prices down to where they should be. maybe 1955 prices. just saying. host: from the new york times on the middle east, israel launches invasion into southern lebanon.

israeli troops crossed the border for the first time since 2006 and a ground operation targeting hezbollah. the israeli military called for evacuations of more than two dozen villages in southern lebanon. there is a picture on the new york times. ray in fayetteville, north carolina. democrat. caller: good morning. lord have mercy, this is sad. republicans are truly delusional. trump's x cabinet wrote project 25. jd vance helped write it. . he had no business down there. talking about -- he's no more than a snake oil salesman. i just don't get it.

they don't see yet. my goodness. i'm so mad i can't even talk. host: two ohio, -- to ohio, to mac on the independent line. caller: back in 2008 during his presidential campaign, barack obama stated we are going to find emily transform the united states -- fundamentally transform the united states. what we have seen is the democrats leaning communist. they have opened the borders to every form of evil under the sun. they have created this inflation. they have 13 u.s. citizens -- military people killed in the disastrous afghanistan withdrawal.

they are trying to shut down free speech. they want to control every aspect of american life. donald trump is not the enemy of democracy. he will save it for at least four years of he gets in. the left-wing media, the democrats, they are nothing more than toxic cesspools of liars, deceivers, power crazed reprobates that want total control over every aspect of american life. a vote for kamala harris is treason against the united states. host: we will pause our calls. we will come back to the calls. if you're on, stay on. we will talk about the vice presidential debate with tom lobianco, cofounder and national politics reporter for 24sight news. welcome back to the program. guest: thanks for having me back. host: what are the stakes for

nit's debates for the candidates? guest: for vance they are a little higher than they are for walz than they are for walls. -- than they are for walz. some of that has to do with their positions on the ticket. there's not a lot of expectations these things will move numbers. for the top of the ticket a lot of this has to do about their futures. jd vance is very young. he's 39, 40 years old. has a political future. trump is the oldest candidate in the race. if there were something to happen it would be most likely vance would be the one to advance forward to the top of the ticket or the oval office itself. i would say the stakes are higher for vance here. host: what do we know about each

of the candidate's debate style? how they have been preparing for the debate? guest: i think you will see a lot of the so-called midwest nice, which is the passive aggressive way of sticking the knife in. lord knows both candidates have gone after each other. when tim walz started off with the harris campaign, he was pressing a lot of rumors, demonstrably false rumors about vance personally. vance himself has pushed serious rumors, the hoax about people of springfield, ohio. i think what you are going to see is it'll be a lot different than the way kamala harris handled donald trump. i think you will see them both

go more directly at each other. one thing that's important to understand about vance and his style as we see him on the campaign trail, he's a protege of donald trump, jr.. donald trump, jr. has been part of the steve bannon wing of the republican party, which is very combative, spreads a lot of hoaxes, fake news. likes to be very bombastic. almost any more visceral way than trump is. i would expect to see a lot of fireworks up there. host: hurricane helene, a tremendous loss of life at 130 people. a lot of property damage. people are without power. what kind of impact do you think that could have on the campaign and specifically on tonight's debate? guest: the two -- the

devastation has been terrible. politically speaking, this impacts two major battleground states, georgia and north carolina. the sunbelt and the response in north carolina this is the late campaign season disaster response. this is why you see donald trump falsely saying the white house is not talking with georgia, not doing the work on this. then you have georgia governor brian kemp, a republican supporting trump saying that is not true. i have been in touch with president biden. this gets into the disaster response style of campaigning. there are some classic historic examples of this backfiring in strange ways. i believe hurricane sandy back in 2012 where new jersey governor chris christie hugged

barack obama to thank you for his support, federal support and got a lot of blowback on the republican side for that heading into the 2016 race later. i think it has yet to be seen how this plays out. for harris, this goes to the presidential test. we have seen that throughout with her rollout at the top of the ticket. that was the staging at the dnc in chicago. to project, to show you are the president, you are executive leadership. that is the challenge for her. host: what are you watching for tonight? guest: i will be watching to see if any flies land on any has tonight like the last one -- heads tonight like the last one. i want to see how each candidate can carry the water for the top of the ticket.

especially for tim walz. criticisms of harris through august and much of this month was that she was not doing a lot of interviews. she started to change that and do more interviews. vance himself has been prolific. he is on -- he almost does the full ginsburg on the sunday shows routinely. he's done a tent ever -- a ton of appearances. not so much for walz. is he able to parry shots from jd vance? i would not underestimate jd vance. he seems to be very good reflectively -- reflexively. for vance, how much does he stick with the trump playbook versus how much does he project this new right policy out there? this heritage project 2025 post

conservativism. he is the one who seems to have a clear future coming out of this who could be essentially run for president in 2028 depending on how things shake out. i will be watching for how he does he project his future. host: tom lobianco, national politics reporter for 24sight news. thank you for being on the program. host: thank you, mimi. host: back to the phones for open form and talk to denise in freedom, new york. republican. caller: good morning. i have two different topics. the first topic. i didn't see the beginning of your show but yesterday kerry made a statement about the first amendment. it needs to be controlled, because there is now more than three networks. it is hard to control the

narrative. i think it is a huge attack on the first amendment that goes back to those of us who did not want to even follow covid. things like that that everybody calls misinformation. there really isn't misinformation about the vaccine. the second thing is, i believe it was nancy pelosi that said kamala harris is so good that she can see what is coming around the corner. if that was true she would not have made a law in california that punished parents when their kids didn't go to school. when they applied it to a parent and i think they placed them in jail, she said that was not the intent of the law. obviously, she could not see around the corner. when she said defund the police, she could not see that would ruin police departments. it would ruin around. it would increase crime.

she did not see around the corner when they did the pull out of afghanistan. she could not see around the corner on how that would affect the rest of the world and how they would relate to us now being weak, causing russia to invade ukraine. giving the money back to her bond. she couldn't see around the corner that they would now be able to fund hezbollah. she can't see around the corner. she doesn't see what is coming and it creates chaos. now she says she wants to fix it. i feel like people are very naive if they're going to vote for her. god help us if her vice president ends up in charge. i don't think either one of them are going to be able to react to the world war iii that appears to be coming. host: scott in erie, pennsylvania. caller: hello. host: hi.

caller: she rattled off a lot of talking points. a couple of colors ago and lady called in that says trump caused death the net it states. the reporters need to tell the truth and continued to bring everything done up at these debates. just because people still run don't mean we have to predict his path. republicans have fought hard to lie, to be able to lie and brainwash people. they fight hard to this day to do it. from the day one trump came down that elevator he's been telling people what to think, causing chaos in this country. he knows what he's doing. it is pretty sad that because he

believes everybody, even the supreme court he bullied just before the decision on letting him do what he wants. we have millions of people that believe this election was stolen. what about us people that know it is not stolen? about the people that know the truth? it is time for reporters to step up for the american people. thank you. bye. host: anthony in columbus, ohio. the line for democrats. anthony, are you there? caller: sorry. i am. i wanted to say right now our country is so divided. you can see the weight kamala harris -- way kamala harris is trying to bring everyone back together. as far as donald trump, everyone knows he's a shyster. the only people that don't know live below the mason-dixon line,

that don't have a college education. this guy is selling gold choose. he is selling non-fungible tokens for $100 that are worthless. he made $5 million off his own people and scanned them. bannon stole $1 million to build a wall. they will still vote for him. this all started with the apprentice. a team sat him down and taught him how to dictate and talk real tough and this and that. he made $500 million off that. he inherited $500 million from his father. he was very bad in school. kamala is an attorney. a district attorney. attorney general. this is what america needs right now. host: rick in colorado, republican. caller: hi.

i want to talk about the middle east situation. the biden-harris affect on this disruption that's occurring right now. i think it goes back to when they pivoted from relations with saudi arabia to diplomatic relations with iran. and releasing the money and the sanctions, which allowed iran to then distribute money to the various terrorists in the region, the houthis, hamas, hezbollah, etc.

at the beginning of 2020-2021, sally was fighting the houth -- saudi was fighting the houthis. they stopped sales of arms to saudi arabia. well, all this led to disruption all caused by iran. i think this foreign policy shift, this naive shift that the biden administration did has led or contributed to this disruption in the middle east which is causing a, you know, national security issue within the united states.

host: rick. this is the front page of the washington post about the middle east. israeli troops move into lebanon. a limited invasion aims to push hezbollah away from the border. deborah. everett, washington. republican line. you are next. caller: hi. yes. good morning. i am not a republican. i'm a democrat. i'm not sure why -- anyway. the reason why i'm calling, i have three major, major concerns about what my leaders can handle. such as war, ai and climate change. i feel like we are at a new frontier and i want my leader to

help us step up and be brought into her future with hope and security. i am so, so disgusted with all the rhetoric and the hate and bias. i just wish people would get back to the teachings of christ. yeah. those are my three major, major concerns. i, you know, tonight is a very important debate between the two running vice presidents. i hope that they touch on these three issues. anyway, i thank you very much. host: in addition to that debate

that's happening tonight, how cover starts at 8:00 p.m. the debate at 10:00 p.m. for your schedule -- 9:00 p.m. for your schedule, there's an upcoming supreme court term with several attorneys and others including aaron holly, the life of missouri senator josh hawley and lisa blood who argued before the supreme court more times and any other woman and u.s. history. is hosted by the federalist society. you can watch this discussion live at 12:30 p.m. eastern here on c-span, also on c-span now and c-span.org. also tod, mike johnson will be the new york stock exchange to talk about what to expect from republican leaders if they retainontrol of the house of representatives and the white house in november. that is live at 4:40 p.m. eastern, also on c-span and the app and online. virginia next in wisconsin,

independent line. caller: i almost never called in but i'm sick and tired of listening to people calling trump supporters liars and stupid and over and over the name-calling. we didn't go to college. we are done. he's alike -- we are dumb. he's a liar. let me tell you why we have the situation where people support him. we sat through an entire first term of donald trump with lie after lie after lie. impeachments. talking about he is peeing on people in russia. russia supports him. fake dossiers. now fake lying -- excuse me.

i'm trying to say court cases that are obviously trumped up. all these lies. we are told they are absolute truth. now your listeners come on the air and accuse trump of lying and accuse us of being stupid when we support him. i just want to say i don't know if it is actual lies. i would call it politics. it is what is good for the goose is good for the gander. the second point i want to make about goose and ganders, i come from janesville, wisconsin. we had an immigrant here killing geese in our parks who was

convicted for it. you can look it up. they made it into a hunting offense. when we see pictures of haiti with absolute chaos in the streets, poverty that is unbelievable and they are brought here on some kind of fake new immigrant law where they are unvetted, it is not beyond all belief that people would get hysterical in these small towns. then going back to lies, we are told they are not taking our jobs, that there are no problem by a mayor who is making money renting to them. we find out they are working at the tyson factories and citizens

are being fired and out of work while they still have to pay property taxes. host: i have got to move on. larry in defiance, ohio. republican. caller: hello america. good morning to you. we are $35 trillion in debt. all these illegals on taxpayer dollars. this last caller is totally right. trump supporters, they stand behind truth, you know? they tried to break him for the last 10 years. mentally, physically. took millions away from him. they have done just about everything to destroy this man. it is no wonder we stand behind him for 10 years. the fake media is also behind it. they call him hitler.

behind trump there were no wars. great economy. biden-harris has made our enemies rich. in my book they caused these wars. they put nato on the russian border. putin don't want nato on his border. duh. walz. minneapolis police chief and, the summer of love. the city burned -- minneapolis police chief an the summ -- minneapolis police station, summer of love. the city burned. host: barbara in tallahassee, florida. >> i am a democrat and i do support kamala.

this woman can make this country great again. which trump keeps lying about over and over and over. i watched him yesterday lie about kemp in georgia when i watched kemp on tv saying president biden had called. it is one thing after the other with donald trump. all i can tell people is you better be careful. pray for the people in the five states. we lucked out and we made it through. host: glad to hear that. william in ithaca, new york. independent. caller: for me, bill? i'm bill. host: go ahead. caller: yeah. so many people are forgetting the premise for this democracy,

this nation. we trust in god. nobody seems to be recognizing this or giving any value to this at all. there's a verse in the bible. somebody can look it up. i don't have it with me but it says there is no voice that is insignificant. there are many voices in the universe. none of them is without significance. i want to make this point and ask everybody to pay attention to this thought. don't trample anybody. that is all i want to ask, ok? host: mary in wisconsin. republican line. caller: i wanted to let people be aware that in regards to them wanting puberty blockers on

children, that part of the brain, the prefrontal cortex, that is one of the last parts the brain to mature in boys in the late 20's and girls in their late 20's. maybe a year or two earlier for the girls. that's responsible for making good decisions. they can't make good decisions until after that prefrontal cortex is fully developed. we should not be giving them puberty blockers and doing surgical intervention. the other thing i wanted to mention is sometimes when people drink, their cerebral cognitive functioning is affected. that is why they cause them to repeat themselves and they don't remember what they say. i'm concerned that kamala does drink because she repeats herself. she doesn't remember what she says. host: demetrius, good morning.

caller: i'm very excited. i am a long time listener. i finally was able to get in. amazing. i hear a lot from my republican friends that donald trump did so much as far as the economy and the border. they might want to remember that his first year he was working under obama's numbers on the economy. maybe he should thank obama for that. also on the border, all that that was keeping everyone out of the state -- it was covid. he was running against obama and covid.

i feel bad for my republican friends. maybe they should thank of all the wins trump said he had, they were on the people working for him then. either fire them or they quit. maybe they should think about what they think of him now. host: jim in connecticut. independent line. caller: hi. just quickly, secretary majorca's was brought in front of the homeland security committee 27 times in three years. the house finally impeached him. i don't recall harris being mentioned. now after these three years of hearings they say it was harris in charge of the border after all. may arcus is not mentioned -- majorcas was not mentioned.

host: gina in mississippi, republican. caller: good morning. i would like to say to the democrats and the gentleman that was talking about everyone below the mason-dixon line, and i'm one of them, i do think everybody below the mason-dixon line has a college education. there one thing we do have that the democrats don't seem to have. that is common sense, love of god and love of america. you people have been brainwashed by 80% of the media repeating the lies about donald trump over and over and over and you don't even know it. you don't realize it. you are not even paying attention. you are so arrogant.

your heads are in the clouds. this show is a comedy show now. every morning when you can watch it listening to the democrats say how trump lies every day. not one of them can say -- very seldom tell what exact lie they are talking about. most uneven no there is such a thing as beating a dead horse where you just repeat something over and over and over and people laugh at it. that is what you democrats have done. you have no common sense. you call yourself christians. what about all the evil things going on in this united states of america now that you stand behind? host: christine in pennsylvania, line for democrats. caller: there's going to be a debate tonight between the

vice president of candidates. i hope people can check out rachel maddow last night. the history of fascism in jd vance was horrifying. it really was. there is that. we have got a fascist dictator. he said he would be a dictator from day one. he admitted he would be a dictator. this entire republican party has now been ok with a campaign built on propaganda, hatred, racism and fear. many of the people who call in are afraid. the man is a criminal. he is a criminal fascist. he has lost at least one of the four trials.

he is awaiting sentencing for 34 separate crimes. those three -- they were three that had to do with election interference. the other one was material he stole, top-secret material. your average person would be in jail for that. they would be considered a, you know, it is a crime. when you consider that versus the truth that i see in the democratic party, and i have been a newshound for four years. caring for everyone regardless of where they are in their state in life and regardless of what their color is or their country of origin, democrats care. when you look at the record of

the biden administration and the record employment, the record number of -- 800,000 plus new manufacturing jobs. the unemployment down for 50 years, level for three years straight. democrats get the work done. host: brooklyn, new york. independent line. corozon, you are next. caller: thank you for taking my call. good morning america. i was calling because i felt so strongly to respond to the person a couple of calls ago who said democrats like to name call. i feel they are taking the lead from trump. both sides name call each other. last week we had trump questioning kamala's mental health, whether or not she's operating with a whole toolbox.

he was talking about repeating falsehoods about immigrants and ohio eating pets and doubling down on it even though we heard from vance it was fake and he just put it out there. the woman admitted it was a lie for click bait material. the name-calling comes from both sides. the other one was that from the first question of do i believe the vice president debate matters, i feel it's extremely important because it gives us a chance to get a glance to what is on the party's mind and the direction they want to head into. also just really important local elections. i'm in brooklyn. what's happening with mayor adams. you hear people say off the record. it is wild to think that happened. is important just to get involved in whatever level. that is pretty much it.

host: to edwards, new york. robert. good morning. caller: how is everybody? i am a republican but no longer a republican. i changed my mind and i'm going with harris. i can't see how anybody that's a republican can stand for what trump has been doing. lying so much, like the last two or three people just on. there's no sense going through all that. it is all false. president trump is worse than pinocchio. his nose must be really long. i don't know how the republicans can stand and let him get away with calling kamala harris dumb and everything. he acts like he is retarded to me. i was for him. i'm no longer voting for him. i can see the light. we need to go with harris. i can't hope people would wake up to the fact -- how can you put a criminal, what he's done

in light so much about things and you can't believe his policies. he lied about president biden not talking to the guy in georgia. he lies about that. he likes to be creating problems and spear people to death because he can spear you indo what he -- into what he wants you to do. host: lewis from salsberry, democrat. caller: you have a lot of women, a lot of women, maga women. they take their cue from whatever trump says. just like a gentleman gestated, everybody knows he's a liar -- just stated, everybody knows he's a liar. the maga republicans act like they can't see it.

if nebuchadnezzar, as ruthless as he was, if he was here today all he would have to say, fan abortion -- ban abortion and all these white maga republicans would vote for nebuchadnezzar. you don't hear them talking about abortion rights. oh no. you hear them talking about oil, gasoline. that is all they want to talk about. they don't want to talk about your old people getting some hearing aids or insulin for $35. you don't want to hear how we are keeping social security. how we are keeping the affordable care act, which is obamacare. how we did the pack act for the veterans. you don't want to hear about infrastructure. trump talked about it every week and didn't do nothing. biden did it with intuitive years.

2 -- within two years. all you want to talk about trump is not a liar, but you're wrong. everyone who votes for trump should even have no kids or borders. host: we will pause because it is former president jimmy carter's 100th birthday. here to discuss is bernie sykes from the atlanta journal-constitution. welcome to the program. guest: good morning and thank for having me. host: what is the significance of this 100th birthday for the former president? guest: first of all he is 100 years old and not many americans get that far. thank god he's made it that far but not many -- any presidents have reached 100 years old. it is a momentous occasion not only for georgia but for atlanta, for the nation and for the world. this is a really big deal.

host: how does the former president plan on celebrating his 100th birthday? guest: he does not get out much being 100 years old. about 20 family memories will come down to georgia and have lunch with him. there are several events happening in plains, georgia, where he lives and pretty much has lived all his life. there will be a lot of festivities. fireworks. there will be a navy flyover. a couple of naturalization ceremonies. on a dedication to a new exhibit -- a new dedication to a new exhibit featuring the declaration of independence . in atlanta, there were several events leading up to his birthday. the city of plains, atlanta and georgia are rolling out the red carpet i celebration a -- in celebration of 100 years of living. host: what can you tell us about

his condition? guest: mentally he is fine. he is very sharp according to family members i'm in constant contact with. he is 100 years old. he's been in hospice for 19 months, which is a remarkable accomplishment. when he went into hospice i remember that day vividly. we thought as a member of the media and family and friends in the world thought we only had days in which we would have him around. it's been 19 months. he is country strong. he lives a very quiet -- i have a story about his day-to-day activities and life. he was busy as a president and building houses after he left the presi goi to africa,, monitoring elections eradicat diseases. he les a very regimented life of breakfast and watching the braves games.

i'm sure he was happy last night when the braves made it to the playoffs. spending time with his family. his daughter amy and son chip and daughter-in-law becky rotate throughout the weeks taking care of him along with six caregivers. he has a pretty simple quiet life of a 100-year-old man. host: what about his thoughts about the election? guest: he is very engaged. he watches the news every night and is very engaged in the election. he watched all the democratic national convention. with great interest he is pulling for kamala harris. that is no secret. he told his family he wants to live long enough to vote for kamala harris. i think that is one of the goals in his life now, one of the few goals he wants to see. a woman president. he doesn't unapologetically want trump back in the white house.

everything trump stands for is 180 degrees from what jimmy carter wants. the fact that she has a platform and running for president, he would like to be around to see that. host: any idea if he's planning to vote in person? guest: no. he will absentee vote. p absentee voting during the primary. he will mail-in voting absentee. host: that is ernie suggs. ajc.com. thank you for joining us. guest: thanks for having me and happy birthday, president carter. host: we will go back to your calls. if you want to see more about jimmy carter, c-span has a video gallery focused on his life and legacy at c-span.org. you will find key moments from his election to the presidency

and administration, including the camp david peace accord, interviews, audio recordings and a school classes in georgia, oral histories. that is at c-span.org. c-span2 is airing all day programming on american history tv on former president jimmy carter. if you would like to delve in more on that, you can do that on c-span2. back to the calls. carl in west virginia. the line for independents. caller: yes. i'm calling from west virginia. i think both parties should be ashamed of themselves for letting netanyahu speak at the u.n. after killing 40,000 people. in the process he drops the bomb in lebanon during the process of

his speech. making all of us look stupid. we are stupid for following this guy. now they're sending ground troops into lebanon because he can't get the 2000 pound bombs that we told him not to drop on these buildings. host: all right, carl. paula in pennsylvania, republican. caller: it is paulie. host: go ahead. caller: i was a little upset with that one man that was talking about -- i get tired of everybody saying lies. kamala has told lies and nobody ever says anything about her lying. i mean, she never brings up that

in california she didn't prosecute cases against the pedophiles. then she never brings up that she gave money to get criminals out of jail. the fact that two of them when they went in, were elected and went into office, they opened up the borders down in -- they let anybody come through that wanted to come through. if you look back at the pictures, you can see the mobs coming through. then they shut off the pipeline and all these people lost their jobs. they have not been doing anything for the country.

it is constant. she gets up there and giggles around. you can tell she's not telling the truth. she keeps repeating things, like this holistic bunch of crap she kept saying. she probably doesn't even know what the word means. host: staying in pennsylvania, pittsburgh. lou on the line for democrats. caller: trump says he knows nothing about project 2025. however, the forward for that was written by his running mate. there is no way he would take a running mate and not know about 2025. that is all i've got to say. host: chris in tennessee. the line for independents. caller: yes. how are you doing?

i was calling about everything going on in lebanon. host: host: chris, you have to meet your tv. we can hear in the background. caller: i'm sorry. ok. i was calling about the situation going on. at the end of the day we have to have a president. we need a president. it don't matter if it's harris or trump. i would vote for harris. host: ok. caller: yes, yes. people have their opinions. they have their own perspectives. that is life. that's how it goes. at the end of the day this world needs a president. doesn't matter if it is trump or harris. that goes -- i go for harris. you have to put your vote in.

that is all got to say. host: anna in georgia, republican line. caller: how are you? host: could. -- good. caller: one lady called in. she's a northerner. she was talking about how stupid and uneducated we are below the mason-dixon line. all i can tell her, go pound sand. she doesn't know what she's talking about. when it comes to trump with the republicans, those democrats have done nothing since they did the voting with the last election. they screwed that up. today did. they cannot convince me they did

not have something to do with him. i will let you know, our state of georgia has always been a red state. here they are bringing all these people in from california. they are moving people in from new york. they just hashtag it everywhere and they are against trump. the one they bring in from california democrats. we are not having a fair election. they will not be a fair election. let me tell you something, i moved down here from canada in 1966. it was the most beautiful, wonderful country i have ever stepped into. don't cut me off please. anyway, things are sure a lot worse now than what they were then. that is when they were coming out where black people had their

freedom. i had many black friends. this garbage -- all they have done since president trump has been in is try to put him in jail. host: i have got to move on to benny in pensacola, florida. democrat. caller: thank you for taking my call. i would like to say happy birthday to our former president jimmy carter. a great humanitarian. a od man. i don't think he was on right en he was president. -- he was done right when he was president. happy birthday to him.

i think that the number one priority for this country to get straightened out -- i don't care who be president, who is president but this country will never be straight and -- straightened out until we do something about racism in this country. this country is too full of racism. they call people to hate for no reason. you can't get a person to think straight when they have their mind on people coming across the border like they are criminals. all those people are criminals coming across the border. they are not. i have worked with some of those

people. those people are here trying to make a living for themselves. that is most of them. that is what they are here for. host: this is mike in homestead, florida. independent line. caller: thanks for having my call. i want to call and say that we are blacks for trump. we can't be continuous ray speeders when it comes to harris's agenda with how she panders. -- grace baiters -- race baiters when it comes to harris's agenda with how she panders. it leaves us in a very gray area of not understanding what she wants. we are advocate trump supporters because they crucified jesus and the unjustifiably crucified

trump for no reason. host: juanita in st. cloud, florida. republican. caller: i'm a 76-year-old white female. old age came very fast for me. i used to live in louisiana. back then in those days when i was a teenager my parents were democrats. everybody i knew was democrat. you want a self-respecting louisianian if you were to democrat. a lot of people were liars and scum and cheaters. we divided ourselves into old-fashioned democrats, the liars and cheaters, and the new

faction democrats. we considered ourselves -- we wanted honest people in government and all that. eventually when i was in my early 20's i decided to jump out of the democrat party and get into the republican party. really there was no other choice. independents never have a chance to vote in primaries. i have been extreme lead disappointed with the way the government is going ever since obama. i feel like he has brought up the race game to people. most of my friends -- probably more black friends than white friends. there's one thing i was noticing lately. back when i was 18, somebody sat next to me at a lunch counter and just started talking to me about a one world government.

back then i wasn't more interested in that than the man in the moon. it kind of stayed in my mind. different news things about the one world government. it seems like more and more there are groups of very influential people that are rising up to bring the united states into the one world government. it dawned on me a few weeks it s of people that we have influxing into the united states from across the borders, well, hell, we're going to be a one world government right here in the united states itself with all these people that don't get into the country legally. host: all right, juanita. got to move on to laurel in alcoa, tennessee. good morning.

guest: i thought obama did a great job and what really turn med into a devout democrat was donald trump. he is pure evil. you don't know how to tell if he's lying if his mouth is moving. he is evil. he spews hatred. and kamala, she has joy in her and she truly cares about people. and for trump to say she is stupid and retarded, she is very educated, she's very well spoken, she's very kind he

doesn't even have a college degree. and i know people that are felons and they can't even vote but trump's a felon and he's running for president. what is wrong with this picture? host: all right, laurel. lee, an i.n.t. in new york. good morning -- independent in new york, good morning. guest: good morning. first question is can c-span actually do debates? i voted for hillary in 2016. i voted for mccain when he ran against obama and i didn't vote for the president of last election because i didn't see anything in the last debate. and there's such bias in all of the news and the ones on cable. so, they're almost like

opposites of their respective parties. so can c-span ever do a debate or is that against your charter? thank you. host: all right. good input there, lee. this is linda in florida, republican line. good morning. guest: hi, good morning. i'm just sitting here listening to the people calling in. in order to run for president and know how to be a president, i met president trump back in 1992 and he is a very wonderful person to meet and to know. host: what were the conditions, linda? why did you meet former president donald trump? guest: well, he was in miami and there was a bunch of people there like there awesome is when amaze around. and before he even talk about

being president, we met him and he comes down and he was talking to us because i started joking with him. i told him one day, you're going to become president of the united states. and he was our 2016 president and i was so happy and so proud of him. i know he can help us. i'm an 80-year-old lady and i'm living off of a $355 pension. that's all i get and i am sorry for the people out there that want to vote for president trump because he's a good person. host: all right, linda. steve from ohio, democrat. can you be quick, steve?

caller: i'll try to. good morning. what i'm about to say, it'll matter to you if you support and defend the constitution of the united states the. the first amendment saying respecting the establishment of a religion or prohibit the exercise of an individual. so watch out for project 2025. the constitution clearly states, you know, that, whatever religion you are, it's fine. you're not prohibited from exercising your religion -- host: i am so sorry but i'm going to have to cut you off. thanks, everybody, for watching that's all the time that we've got. we're going to take you right over to georgetown university for a live coverage of former u.s. secretary of state hillary clinton. here it is. [applause] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2024] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy visit ncicap.org]

announcer: we're live at georgetown university. the school's institute for women's peace and security is holding the 2024 hillary clinton awards which honors human rights and peace around the world. we do expect this to get underway shortly, live here on

c-span. once again, we're waiting for the 2024 hillary rodham clinton awards honoring women who promote human rights, peace around the world. should start here in just a moment. live here on c-span. [applause]