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c-span.org. >> now to talk about the role and history of vice presidential candidates in debates is joel goldstein. he is often called the white house vice presidency a path of significance. he is also a professor of law emeritus at the saint louis university school of law. welcome to the program. guest: thanks so much for having me. host: what does history tell us about how important and consequential vice presidential debates are? guest: it is a range of experience. generally speaking the vice presidential debate isn't decisive in a presidential campaign but it is an important part of the introduction of vice presidential candidates to the american people, often times the candidates are people who are relatively new to the national

scene. it is important both in terms of a discussion of the issues before the campaign and a chance to measure the people, one of whom will be a heartbeat away from the presidency and considering them in that context. host: let's go back to 1976. this would have been the first televised vice presidential debate between walter mondale and bob dole. i will play a portion and we will talk about it. [video clip] >> 10 days ago and senator mondale raise the watergate and nixon pardon, it started the campaign mudslinging. when you are running for senate two years ago, he said the pardon was prematurely granted and that it was a mistake. you were quoted as saying you can't ignore our tradition of equal application of the law. did you approve of it when

president ford granted it and do you approve now and if it was fair game in your campaign in kansas and why is it not appropriate now? >> it is an appropriate context for guests but it is not any more appropriate than world war ii for democrat words in this century. if we added up the killed and did, democrat words in this century will be 1.6 million americans, enough to fill the city of detroit. if we want to go back over and over that, we can do that. i assume senator mondale does not want to do that, but simply the pardon of richard nixon is behind us. watergate is behind us. we have a vision for americans if they are concerned about the people and their problems, we

are to be talking about education and jobs. i know it strikes a ford for some to kick nixon around. how long can you keep that up. so much can you fix the link around. his wife suffered a stroke and he has been out of office and he stepped down. i think after two years and some months it is probably a dead issue. but that is the only game they know. >> i think senator dole has richly earned his reputation as a hatchet man. by implying and stating that world war ii and the korean war were democratic wars. does he really mean to suggest to the american people that there was a partisan difference over our involvement in the war to fight nazi germany? i don't think any reasonable american would accept this. and he really mean to suggest it

was only partisanship that got us into the war in korea? did he really mean to forget that part of the record where mr. nixon, and the republican party wanted us to get involved earlier in the war in vietnam? and long after mr. nixon and the republican party finished the war, they kept urging us forward. it was the democratic congress that passed law and the war in vietnam and preventing a new war in angola. on watergate, we are not charging him we know his involvement. we are saying the defendant, mr. nixon. >> "washington journal" continues. was that the first vice presidential bait in 1976? guest: -- vice presidential debate in 1976? guest: the two men who had debated often in the senate both coming from