>> the restoration of the normal jobs. the recovery of agriculture. >> i pledge myself to a new deal for the american people. >> at the height of the great depression, democratic new york governor franklin roosevelt unseated herbert hoover in a landslide victory. watch historsideial elections, saturdays at 7:00 p.m. eastern on american history tv on c-span2. thursday morning. the new york times and it's right up of this new brief from jack smith leads with these three scenes as described in that briefing. when told by an aid that vice president mike pence was in peril on january 6, president donald trump replied "so what?"

when one of his lawyers told him his false claims that the election had been marred by widespread fraud will not hold up in court mr. trump responded the details don't matter. on a flight with mr. trump and his family after the election an oval office heard mr. trump say it did not matter if he won or lost the election, they still have to fight like hell. that from the filing from jack smith. we are talking about it all is the -- we are talking about it on the washington journal as axios notes, the details continually note the president was asking in his capacity as a candidate and not a president, this an effort by jack smith to respond to the bombshell supreme court ruling that said presidents have immunity for official actions. if you go to the filing itself, it is about 165 pages. you can read it online, plenty

of news sites and also on c-span.org. "the defendant asserts he is immune from prosecution for his criminal scheme to overturn the 2020 presidential election because he claims it entailed official conduct. not so. although the defendant was the incumbent president during the charge conspiracies his schemes were fundamentally a private one. working with the team of co-conspirators the defendant acted as a candidate when he pursued multiple criminal means to disrupt and defraud the government function by which boats are collected and counted, function which the defendant had no official role. in trump v the united states the supreme court held presidents are immune from prosecution for certain conduct including the justice department to further his schemes as was alleged in the original indictment. the answer to the courts question of whether the remaining allegations against

the defendant arm unionized is no full -- are immunized is no." we will go through the filing more in the first segment of the washington journal. we are asking you your thoughts. have you seen some of the reporting on it? your sense of this filing that came out last week and it was unsealed yesterday in federal court. donald trump with a reaction to this from his suits -- from his truth social page. he said "the release of this falsehood written unconstitutional january 6 brief wrote immediately following tim walz's disastrous debate performance and 30 days before the most important election in the history of our country is another attempt by the harris biden regime to weaponize american democracy and interfere in the 2024 presidential election. deranged jack smith is hell bent

on continuing to weaponize the justice department in an attempt to cling to power. trump is dominating the election cycle, leading in the polls, and the radical democrats throughout the deep state are totally freaking out. the entire case is partisan and an unconstitutional witchhunt that should be dismissed entirely just like the florida case was dismissed." donald trump on his truth social page yesterday. that is what happened yesterday. we want to hear from you. republicans (202) 748-8001, democrats (202) 748-8000, and independents (202) 748-8002. we will start in new mexico. this is very. line for republicans. caller: i want to remind my democratic friends that this is a document produced by the

republican led prosecution with no rebuttals by the defense. this is election interference at its best. that is all i have to say. host: line for democrats. john in virginia. caller: you are always the best and i like the way you handle calls. the reason i called is this case is very clear in the beginning. the problem we have -- no matter what jack smith does, we have a supreme court judge who are dividing us and not following the rule of law. that is the problem. donald trump should never be in this position in the first place. i am very disappointed as a 60 years old man who has been in this country for four years --

four 40 years and seen how many presidents have come and gone that we have gone this way. it is despicable. imagine if you tell your followers to go after your vice president. that is despicable and unacceptable and no human being who has decency would accept this kind of behavior. no one. we need to understand our democracy did not come easily. people died for what we enjoyed this country. people need to grow up. those republicans who are decent people -- i do vote republican, i vote for policies. i do not vote for individuals. we need to understand, our country comes first. this man has no business in our politics. he does not care about this country and he will never do the right thing, even if he becomes the president. host: that is john in virginia. paul is in idaho.

have you seen this document? have you seen the reporting? caller: just what you just read. i did not catch all of it. it seems to me that thereafter donald trump by any means necessary. -- they are after donald trump by any means necessary and this is just another document building the case against him to get thrown in jail whether he will be the president of the united states through being voted in electorally and probably through the public, through the common vote. it is another way of getting to him. i believe his family as well. i say that because that will be

the next step. if he keeps beating the system the way he is beating it in the next step would have to be his family. i totally disagree with that. the man that called and was talking that had just moved to this country four years ago, he should have a cleaner pair of glasses on that what i am wearing. he came from a place where maybe they did do that and maybe that is why he left. host: that is paul in idaho. throughout this document jack smith laying out his case and the details he would present at trial for this case. much of the detail focuses on january 6 and the days leading up to and immediately after. in almost minute by minute coverage of january 6.

here is page 80 of the report focusing on 2:00 hour that day. "fox news coverage of the events at about to: 12:00 p.m. reports of the capital being on lockdown -- at about 2:12 p.m. reports of the capital being on lockdown. much of the crowd was carrying flags as evidence of their allegiance to the defendants. crowds on the capital lawn were shown alongside the chiron saying certification vote paused as protests erupt. at 2:21 a reporter interviewed a person who had come to the capital because trump told them they had something big to look forward to and what's told vice president pence would -- i think

there several thousand people here very disappointed but i think trump has something else left. fox news reported a police officer may have been injured and that protesters had made their way inside the capital. donald trump was alone in his dining room when he issued a tweet attacking mike pence and fueling the ongoing riots. "mike pence did not have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our country and our constitution, giving states a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent ones they were asked to previously certified. usa demands the truth." that afternoon a rider used a bullhorn to read the tweet about the vice president allowed to the crowd. the defendant issued the incendiary tweet about mike pence despite knowing, as he would later admit in an interview in 2023, that his supporters listen to him like no one else." the filing goes on from there.

january 6, 2020 one as described in this new filing. this is david in pennsylvania. independent. caller: it has taken four years to get this far because trump has delayed the process. this is a message to the trump followers. trump is a con man. he has conned his own people. the evidence is so overwhelming, why is he asking for immunity? he could've took the stand on any one of these cases. people will follow this guide to the end. he has conned his own people and he has done a good job. i give him credit for trotting his own people. -- for conning his own people. he has slowed it down, he has appealed it. they wanted the middleman.

he is a con artist and that is what we got. host: he says the supreme court ruling grandson blanket immunity and what jack smith says is he was asking and personal capacity not as president and this seems to be the crux of whether this case moves forward. caller: right. he is tying things up with that immunity. i think he put his supreme court people in there not for the abortion change, but to do something like this. i think he is that good of a con artist. i am a new york city guy. we know what donald trump was about. he gets what he wants and he has his followers brainwashed. anybody who looks at the evidence of january 6 and anyone who follows the case knows he is guilty all the way. he has his people brainwashed and the media stands behind him.

people follow their own media. host: here is how this is playing out in the political media. we will start on the right at breitbart.com. this is the headline. "desperate doj." "lawfare revival comes on the heels of vance trouncing walz in debate." "trump cavalier as writers closed on mike pence, 'so what?'" host: good morning. caller: i'm in my 70's. i have seen a lot of things will stop on election night i was

convinced that the five cities, milwaukee, detroit, philadelphia, georgia, even arizona was totally corrupt. we know those cities are heavily democrat, heavily minority, always corrupt. they've given around walking money for many years. i did not need trump to tell me the election was stolen to be honest with you. host: and you still feel that way? caller: absolutely. look at the numbers. host: you plan to vote in this election? will you trust the results of this election? caller: we will see what happens. hopefully it is fair and legitimate. the problem was with the mail in ballots, it was unprecedented. jimmy carter said that 40 years ago? maybe i got that wrong.

mail in ballots are easily corruptible. host: what would you need to happen for you to trust the boat in 33 days? caller: i think we are fine now. i think we've made the adjustments. pennsylvania went not. nine days later? i am confident this will be ok. host: that is john in new jersey. this is hector out of san diego. good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call. i am not shocked by the revelations of jack smith, the document made public. like one of the previous callers, this man is a con honors. even really giuliani when he went to court -- even rudy

giuliani did not admit to fraud when he was saying all these things in public and all of the experts were telling donald trump he lost the election but he kept grabbing all these followers. this is one of those things where people have to wake up and understand what this guy said is true that he wants to be a dictator on day one. this is a man that is a threat to democracy. united states is supposed to be a beacon of democracy and that is why it is an example for the rest of the world. to let a man like this get away with whatever he wants will be a bad precedent for the future. i am glad jack smith did not drop this and i'm glad there will be an example made for this man when he loses the election. host: that is hector in california. this is bob in ohio. good morning. caller: the biggest thing is trump should've been put in jail three years ago, not waiting until now so he can corrupt another election.

he corrupted the first election with the russians. now he is trying to do with the longshoreman by going out on strike. they are showing him all over the internet that boss of the longshoreman. that guy hates biden. he will do whatever trump wants him to do. trump is just an evil man and he should be in jail. host: 78-year-old leader of the dockworkers has a profile piece on the front page of the business and finance section of the wall street journal. you think donald trump wants this strike? caller: oh yes. he wants to wreck the economy so he can go back in because he knows if he does not leave the country between november 6 and the 26th, he is going to jail. if he is losing the election he is going to jail on the 26th,

they will sentence him for four years and i hope he gets sent to rikers. host: back to this jack smith filing and back to that day of january 6, that 2:00 our that is almost minute by minute details in this 126 -- in this 155 page filing. the scene of the report keeps coming back to his donald trump watching coverage of the january 6 riding at the capital alone in the dining room and tweeting about it. his 2:24 p.m. tweet that day attacking mike pence for refusing the defendants entreaties to join the conspiracy and help overturn the results of the election. one minute after he sent that tweet the secret service was forced to evacuate mike pence to a secure location in the capital. this was 90 minutes after mike pence announced publicly he would not act unlawfully to

overturn the election. the certification proceeding was underway in the first breach of the capitol building occurred minutes before at 2:12 eastern time. the defendant's only hope to disrupt the certification proceedings and retain power was through his angry supporters. the defendant further revealed the private nature of his desperate conduct as a candidate rather than as a president in an exchange that the government does not plan to use at a trial, but in exchange he had with his eight shortly after 2:24. upon receiving a phone call alerting him that mike pence had been taken to a secure location, the staffer rushed to the dining room to inform the president. after the staffer delivered the news the defendant looked at him and said "so what?" tom in virginia. good morning. caller: this is my speciality.

i am glad to be getting in this morning. host: i feel like we talked about two weeks ago, right? i think it was actually last week. caller: i don't keep track. host: do me a favor. it is once a month. a lot of people try to get in. when you call it if you could do it once a month it is only fair to other folks. always appreciate your insight but if we can keep to the rules of once a month that would be better for everybody. we will go to great in ohio. a democrat -- we will go to greg in ohio. a democrat. caller: the time of the blaze is over. the evidence is overwhelming. i would like to know what is in a president's job description

that authorizes to do what he did. republicans -- the trump supporters will call the show and they will pivot, they will deflect, and they will parent exactly what he says. i will say this and i will leave with the famous star wars quote, who is the worst full, the full -- it was the worst -- who is the worst fool, the fool or the fool follows him? host: greg within obi-wan kenobi quote. john, you are on the air. what are your thoughts about this filing? caller: i have not talked to you in months. sitting at home watching everything happen, listening every day.

this story is just another shiny object. they lost to the other night. tim walz showed he is a knucklehead and they are panicking. this is another set up, this was set up by jack smith to have this released the day after the debate. there are two things i would like to point out to everybody. everybody is so worried about january 6. what about the cocaine at the white house? we have not found out anything about the cocaine at the white house. from reporting somebody in the secret service found the cocaine has dna on it, a partial fingerprint, and they know who's cocaine it was and they are trying to destroy the evidence because they do not want trump to get into office because they will find out who did it. it is ridiculous. he did not do anything on january 6 but tell people to march the capital peacefully and i wish she would play that tape.

i wish this would stop. it is getting outrageous. host: you think this was released in advance of the debate because they knew the debate was going to go bad and that is why it came out yesterday? this was filed last week but was unsealed yesterday. i'm trying to understand the timing of the dots you are trying to connect. caller: everything they do is when something goes bad for them, than a story gets released like this. we have a homeland security chief that is impeached in the house but they will not bring the impeachment up in the senate. all of these things that keep going on, we are not stupid. we are watching all of this. we know who to vote for. host: that is john in virginia. this is lori, a democrat.

have you seen this report? caller: yes i have. thanks for taking my call. i am so upset about everything right now. we say it is election interference. he has committed so many crimes. if he did not do that we would not be here. in my neighborhood, which usually has a ton of political signs, i see none. people are afraid to put out a sign in their own yard and it is disgusting. host: why are people afraid to put out signs? caller: i think because they will be retaliated against. if they put a harris or a trump sign and somebody does not agree because he has divided our country so bad. i have t-shirts against trump. i will not wear them in public. i would be afraid to be shot.

he is too much. he lies to everybody, key is the worst person in this world as far as i'm concerned. siding with putin and all of this other stuff. he has interfered with everybody's life on a daily basis with his lies and he is already doing it before the election. people talk about immigrants coming into the country and the money that has to be spent on them, what about the money that has to be spent on security for every single person that is a poll worker, a political figure, it is insane. i am getting so upset. thank you for taking my call. host: does robert in virginia,

independent. good morning. caller: good morning. donald trump -- the justice department -- thank god it is a separate entity. they keep saying this is bidens justice department. it is not. they are doing what is right, thank god for that. donald trump should have been charged with treason and everybody knows it. he got by with it. he should have been put in jail. the 100 urso senators and congressmen that back him should have been put in jail along with him. he has to go through the rest of his life. it don't make a difference about whether he gets through this or not, he will try to get out of it. he will have to go through the rest of his life afraid someone will catch up in the right place at the right time. host: what you want elected

members of congress put in jail for supporting donald trump? caller: they knew he was lying about the election. they became part of his plot. they stood behind him. there was over 100 of them. they all broke their oath of office. they took an oath to protect the constitution and they broke that when they fell in him knowing he tried to overthrow the election. what else could it be? host: robert in virginia. linda in ashburn, virginia. republican. good morning. caller: thank you for everything you do. the thing that concerns me the most is their underlying facts -- a book on january 6 is a good read.

i think our leader trump is doing the best he can but at every turn there is a bullseye mark on him, whether it is going after money, going after his estate or anything he has in everything he has tried to do. people can claim he is acting like a dictator but a dictator blocks democracy. i have seen nothing but the blocking of democracy, whether it is freedom of speech, the kennedy situation with not allowing him on the ballots, the list goes on. the committees on the democrat side are trying to not allow current changeovers, so when there is a new president they want to maintain the current employees who will probably not be loyal to a newer presidency. i think the epoch times it a

good documentary. it seems like it is republican leaning, but it is factual because it is capital surveillance footage. i am not sure if the report that came out by smith has something after the 1:00 mark, but if you watch the footage there is nothing going on. people are just ending there quietly. it is the capitol police that encourage people to move and go up to the capital and go into the building. when they are standing behind the barracks there is the smoke bombs that go off. it is only at that point where people start to get a little riled up. that is when the camera starts to roll and that is what we saw over and over again is people angry. i would be angry if somebody

blasted something like that in my eyes and in my face and hurting people for just standing there peacefully. that is my thought. i know this gets to be so back-and-forth. host: the book you were referring to, i think i found on amazon. january 6, how democrats use the capital protest to launch a war on terror against the local right. kelly is the author. is that right? caller: that is correct. it outlines that people that never brought a weapon are getting charged with having weapons, they are in solitary confinement, they are getting beaten for patriotism. this is why i am so voting for trump because people say he is a dictator, he lied about real estate, ok, but on the side of people that are saying -- the

actions are much worse to me. host: you say for patriotism. why do you use the term patriotism to what happened that day? caller: rebut a has their wishes -- because everybody has their wishes of who they want to vote for and their concerns for their daily life. if they are there and they believe -- the documentary shows people can easily buy ballots for thousands of dollars and mail them. if that is going on behind the scenes and it is frustrating then you feel more patriotic to fight for things you believe are fair. that is why people were angry. host: you think the 2024 elections will be fair? caller: that is a great

question. i see a lot of reports about undocumented people that are here that are allowed to vote so those are getting off the polling roles. the action with the save act is trying to get through congress but i'm not sure that will go through because the democrats would not want that to go through because of the stipulations within the bill. that is why that is going back and forth. host: we are 33 days away. do you think you will trust the results on election night? caller: i don't know because the undocumented app the millions of people that are newly entering the country -- they will probably just start voting. when you're handed a democrat

ballot and you walk in and you do not know anything about our country, necessarily, that i think it is difficult. host: if donald trump wins will you trust the results? caller: if i see the numbers -- if nbc reports they believe he won, then yes. host: that is linda in virginia. about 25 minutes left in this first segment of the washington journal. we are going through this filing from jack smith. it was filed last week and it was heavily redacted. it was released yesterday in the district court of columbia. you've seen the reporting on it. 165 pages. details of donald trump's actions, making the case he was acting in his personal capacity in efforts to overturn the 2020 election and therefore the case should proceed in the wake of

that supreme court case offering the president brought immunity for their actions while in office. taking your phone calls on that topic in the first hour of the washington journal. this is larry in north carolina. independent. caller: thank you john and thank linda from virginia, what a great call. i believe there is no new evidence. it is only rebranded. it is rebranded that he was a private citizen when he did this to avoid the scenario with the supreme court ruling. it is the same thing rebranded and coming back at you. unfortunately, the lady that said the crimes that president trump has committed in the past or former president trump, the biggest crime he committed was defeating hillary clinton in the 2016 election. from that point on, that man was

branded by the democratic party to be taken down in any way, shape, or form possible. i truly believe that. it is sad for our country that we no longer listen to each other anymore. we are either on the red team, the blue team. i would like to be on the red, white, and blue team and that is why i am an independent. host: larry in north carolina. this is joshua in illinois. democrat. caller: good morning. i want to invite my republican counterparts to do what they would do if your boss or your pastor were to get involved in any criminal activity. don't trust the newspapers, don't go to the comments section, go to the court and

pulled the documents and read for myself what the indictment says. if you did you would see that 92 witnesses, all republicans, are the people speaking the truth and putting the facts on paper. the people that were interviewed , things from text messages, the gentle men who just called saying it was rebranded, the supreme court asked them to prove whether was public or private. donald trump instead of using white house legal counsel used his private attorney rudy giuliani to do this circumvention of the election. if people don't want to be a part of democracy, the constitution, then they cannot call themselves patriots. look at the evidence, pay attention to what is going on, and then you do not have to blame it on the media. if this was your boss or your pastor doing these things, you would probably leave the church

or find another place to work. we are asking a gentleman who is already proven himself and his normal life to be fraudulent in his normal business dealings at trump university that he had to sell right before his election and onto what he did afterwards. people that are choosing to only accept election results if their guy wins is the acceptance of a demagogue telling them what to do. republicans, the reason people are calling you brainwashed is because you are not looking at evidence. on january 6 i lost a friend because i saw nothing but trump flags, maga hats, and american flags being used as weapons against police officer. i don't understand why republican eyes are lying to them. if they can't understand facts

coming from republican mounts than they are brainwashed. if the election results are signed and certified by republican governors open house representatives are elected on that same ballot, you're excepting those but you will not accept the presidential result. host: have you chatted with a former friend in four years? caller: not since that date. she was more of a friend of my wife. it was a call. i cannot accept people not using their eyes. she had no reason to believe that antifa was doing it. everybody indicted for those actions of violence, they were all trump supporters. they showed up to support trump. there was no antifa. their facebook profiles, everything they did to commit the violent act, they were all trump supporters. why are we sitting here debating

election results. it is not your choice as a citizen to accept. guest: you mentioned rudy -- host: you mentioned rudy giuliani's rise in the effort after the 2020 election. politico in its wrap up of the filing that came out yesterday publicly rights "trump sidelined his campaign lawyers on november 13, 2020, with steve bannon informing another trump campaign advisor and alleged co-conspirator that trump had replaced them in the pecking order with rudy giuliani. he says he told trump that without rudy giuliani in charge this is over. trump is into the end, steve bannon added. counting on giuliani did not turn out so well. this brief includes another example of giuliani's but darling and clumsy cell phone

use. -- butt dialing and clumsy cell phone use. all of these new details in this report and you can find it for yourself. it is 165 pages heavily redacted. this is john in louisiana, republican. good morning. caller: there are a couple of issues on this thing this report to my knowledge, untith is presented in a court of law under somebody saying this is the truth, the whole truth, it is no more than the national enquirer. it w sled for a reason and th smith puts it outnyway. to me this will be adjudicated.

right nowt just throwing mud and i don't put muchta in it. you can read all of tho fcy things. the truthfulness of it is such -- is suspect to me. host: this is his argument he would layout at trial. this is if this went to trial, this is what the government would be arguing from the special counsel. caller: i understand that. however, it is not being presented in a trial. it is opinion. if it is at a trial there is a judge, there is a jury, and eventually there will be a determination of any of this stuff. host: you think they should go to trial?

would you like to see this presented? what jack smith is saying they should go to trial because donald trump was acting in his personal capacity so he does not get blanket immunity. announcer: we are going to leave washington journal, but you can find the last few minutes of this online at c-span.org. we will take you to remarks by the director of the national reconnaissance office talking about security and the will of the u.s. intelligence in national security. [chatter] moderator: ok everybody. thank you so much for