sounds good. great. >> we got to go to the football game last night. friday night live was amazing. >> that is mazy. >> is this your first one? >> she is not going to hunt today. >> but she is out here. macy come. >> my guy feels laying on top here.

>> we just checked that corner. there is that one area there. >> they are ready to go. >> the dogs are working hard. >> is this all dry out here?

>> it is all dry. >> we are going to flush the 12 points as we get here later. >> i can show you the video. i watch 45 run across. >> we will be flushing them >> all right, are we ready to go? >> so when it was the two of us it was really different.

>> i'll bet. >> we are going to fall back. >> nice shot. >> bird down. guns up. >> i think we should keep going and when we do a switch we will bring the dogs back over here and look for it. there's a good chance it could have run in front of us. we will have to pick it up again.

>> they can hide. they get under the grass. >> we can let them go and they can find the birds. in all seriousness, your eyes are working the same as anybody else's. >> beautiful, isn't it? >> you walked right to the spot where i had it. >> in behind sight it is always

a challenge you don't want to get the human consent there. i probably should have run and done a -- >> i do the golf ball thing. >> i should have done that given the linebacker and tackle but i wasn't on your team. >> it took us about 30 minutes but we found that one. we will get another one. >> i was reading your mind, scott.

>> they came up behind you. that happens. >> feels just ready. >> i just love that sound of the

brush. >> do you order here? >> yeah.

>> i will have the b.l.t. also. >> do you want anything added to that. turkey and bacon? >> oh, yeah.

>> that's good, thank you. should we come back and get it? >> we will bring it to you. >> ok. thank you. >> we got the longest tail feather. it came right at me.

>> you guys have known each other forever. i shouldn't say forever but it has been a long time.

>> here we go. here we go.

>> how did she do?

>> governor! >> where you guys going now? >> october fest. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. >> it's good to be here. >> good to see you.

>> nice to see you. >> minnesota governor and democratic vice presidential candidate tim walz for veterans and families in arizona. ruben guy yago and john mccain's

son joined. >> i'm very proud of my husband's 32-year career. he is here with me. he served in the air force. don't held it against him. we raised our son who is beginning his career after having graduated from your united states air force academy. there are two or three of his mentors in the audience. my youngest son has chosen to serve by battling the mental health crisis. i think we worked hard to live out this core value of service before self. all of us here in this room i would like to believe understand

this concept of service before self and aware quickly -- we are quickly approaching election day and we have very important choices that will impact every one of us. we also know changes to people like development kamala harris an tim walz we have else we know we need a commander in chief who is strong. they are committed to ensuring every service member and veteran and military family gets the respect an support we have all earned. they know or nation is at its best when we stand up for people who have given so much for us. that is why today is particularly special because we are joined by several people who truly understand what it means to service or -- support or

service members care givers and survivors. they have walked the walk and know the sacrifices or troops make the challenges they can face when they return home and importance of recognizing that military families serve, too. they have served, they have led, they have shown time and time again they will do whatever it takes to make sure those who wear the uniform are never left behind. it is my absolute pleasure join me in welcoming jim mccain ruben gallego and tim walz. ♪

>> thank you all very much and thank you for the wonderful opening. it is good to be with you meeting with the men and women who know what sacrifice truly means. we are part of a legacy of service and it is an honor to speak with you. two little side points. last time i was here when we named it after my father and that was one of the best days of my life. number two, my old commanding officer jake is here there you are. i just wanted to point him out. that is how i got demoted. many of you, like me, had to wrestle with the tough decisions about leadership and country and

future of america. i served, most of us have served in this room. that is why i believe putting our country over party and that's what my father john mccain stood for and that's what i stand for here today. >> i recently made the decision to switch parties. that was not easy. i made it because i believe we must stand up for what is right for the values we fought for, for the decency and leadership that puts our country first. i can not sit backlick the principles come understood attack. my father believed in something bigger than himself. he believed in service, integrity and fighting for what is right even when it was not popular. this spirit of fighting for what is right even when it is not

popular i see this in vice president harris an governor tim walz. they both understand what sacrifice means. the vice president is someone who believes that those who are buried in arlington made the ultimate sacrifice and respect them. i'm going to be honest. it was not easy to hear the things said by my farther about the service to his country. he was shot down and held captive more than five years. he endured that and loved his country. he held on. yet for those recently have dismissed what he did and made light of it and it is very painful but it is why we continue to stand up for the values we know are true in this country. >> with that said it is my honor to stand here with governor walz, a man who knows about

service appear sacrifice and will not demonize people who disagree with him but focus on bringing the people together of this country. [cheers and applause] mr. mccain: we must ask ourselves what kind of america we want to leave behind one that is divided or the voices of veterans and men and women who did our part are going to be i think in the world or continue to fight for the values that unite americans. this is time for courage and standing up for what is right. but the courage we have shown and sacrifices we have made now that needs to be shown in the polls. this is the time. i stand before you not as a republican or democrat but as an arizonan. [cheers and applause] >> i love this state more than i love anything and as someone who

has served with all of you and believes in the greatness of this country and state we must elect vice president harris and governor tim walz. let's continue to live by the prims of country over party and no matter what divides us our shared love is stronger than anything that could tear us apart. thank you for your service to everyone in this room and for the fourth we will build. i can think of no better person and a fellow marine, representative ruben gallego. >> thank you, brother. hurrah, hurrah. a lot of manners here. >> for those civilians hear don't be afraid. this is officially the safest place in arizona with the many

marines we have here. first of all, thank you. i was telling him backstage when i first got elected i got a phone call from senator mccain, i was excited very formal and well, i can't believe i'm going to have to talk to you slowly since you are a marine and he proceeds but i understand one of my sons made a mistake. he always joined the marines which surprised me because he knows his parents. it is good to -- it was a great honor to serve with your father and also work with your mother, too, who is doing amazing work on behalf of the country. and your family general being in service to this country and thank you for having me here as a life-long post member of post

41. i want to remind people why these places exist. they are a place for a lot of us men and women looking for that camaraderie that we don't have any more. that we had many years and we relied on emotionally a lot of times to have someone to talk to that understood what we went through and also especially our spouses as part of the auxiliaries. these matter american legions and vfw. coming back from the war i suffered and still suffer from ptsd and when i started going to post 41 i was able to start talking to other vietnam veterans who made me feel like what i was going through was not

something weird or i was we can because i was having these thoughts and they were encouraging me to get the help that i eventually did. and this happened because of that. i would also like to thank a brother john, stand up. john is like family to me. we were in iraq together through some of the hardest war and unfortunately my unit was luckey lima except we were not that luckey. we ended up taking some much the heaviest casualties. we moved here and we have been growing and healing but the

brothers of lima country are why i'm here fighting and very proud to support this man. because, since i have known him -- and we were lucky enough to serve together on the va committee and if general friends at the house even though when he became governor he forgot me but that is ok. >> that is not true. >> now that he needs a swing state we are friends again. >> i gotcha, man. but we did amazing work together because this man has a servant's heart and understands what we need and as a leaders of men what we need and he was as there fighting for us. and look at the short success we have had in that time. the governor can tell you how long did it take and how long were we fighting to get that act

through. it took decades. i'm sure jimmy has talked to his friends about it were exposed to the toxics. whether it was iran, iraq and a lot of men and women back to the vietnam war that have died and they have died penniless because the government didn't take care of them, did not look at their conditions saying we're responsible for you, we are going to take care of you. i had friends that served that died from such rare cancers they are not seen in men of that age. for many years the u.s. government said you are on your own. one thing that always frustrates veterans they are very quick to send us to war. how quick will they get you on a plane or ship and put a weapon in your hand and send you on

patrol but how slow are they to give you services when they get back and recognize that you have problems. when i first got back they would not give me any services for ptsd because my paperwork will not caught up. i had a video of a documentary on my unit when i'm in combat getting shot at and shooting and they wouldn't accept it at the va. i walked out of that hospital 2007 and didn't come back in 2016 when i was finally breaking and needed help. that's what happens when you don't have a government that is responsive and understanding that is just as urgent to take care of us when we gets back as they were it push us out there. and to have someone governor walz who is responsible for so many men and women when he was in the army -- and i try not to hold that against you -- i

didn't even hear that. he's going to be able to bring that spirit, that love and recognition of the need to take care of the war fighter both going in and coming out. because we are not a strong country if our veterans are not strong. it is great that we have the strongest military in the world but we need to have the strongest veterans in the world, too. and if you want to have men and women to continue to join and serve the country like jimmy did, like i did, like the governor did, you do it by showing that you honor the legacy and commitment and showing respect to the veterans that have come before us. that is how you continue to have young men and women to continue to serve this country. i hope you understand where we are on this campaign, especially us arizonans, us arizona veterans. we have a legacy to keep, one

started by sara mccain and many other veterans that have served this country. this is not a partisan thing. this is an american thing. we need to protect our real american heritage, which is the safe passage of democracy from one group to another. we continue to protect it. that is what is on the line and the person that will help us continue to fulfill our oath is vice president harris and governor walz. please, welcome who arizona. >> that is an honor. wow! >> good afternoon, arizona.

thank you all. thank you for taking the team to get here. thanks to those who served. nobody deploys alone and families are here. a special thanks it post 7401 and the commandser for opening the space. if there's any other place discuss democracy than a vfw hall named after john mccain. >> the privilege of working with representative and ruben i learned something about arizona because he was talking about it. usually he was talking about arizona in the middle of winter and as a minnesotan i wondered what that was like but everything he does he brings that heart that i know is part

of what makes the arizona spirit. he is going to make an incredible senator. senators represent your state but they represent all of us. and to see ruben on that stage we are proud. and, jim, we are grateful. there are a lot of thing you could be doing but you are furthering a legacy of service. i just mentioned the chance to know john mccain and things we worked on together but those who knew him well, the thing that always struck me -- this probably won't surprise you -- when you are a junior member of the house senators don't have any idea who you are. john mccain knew your first name when you walked by and that meant a lot that he turned a time to learn and know people's names. i have to tell you being here,

this is moving. i had the privilege like many of you to wear the uniform. i will mention we had another event and i'm a punctual person but i have a bigger entourage and walked in we are doing the work as marines an here comes the -- and here comes the army. we get there. but like so many of you, you think back to why you did this. when you are young it is your parents or a sense of what you were taught. my dad feels -- was a korean war veteran and he took me done to sign up. and i had the privilege to serve in the guard 24 years did a couple stints as a full-time technician, proud to do active service with the state on things

like flood recoveries and deployment in 2003 and 2004 across eastern defending as the conflict started. retired from that. state enlisted the entire time which i'm incredibly proud of. and elected to congress where my first request and i served my 12 years on va committee and those that go to the va committee go there to do the work. there is no pac money or donations. you don't tack -- talk to big people and the lobbyists are the vfw, disabled american veterans and there is always a line of people waiting at a congressman's door but the vfw

and veterans don't get paid that so the service organizations that is the voice for veterans. for a while in congress and ruben came and they stopped having the commanders of the organizations testify to congress because they didn't want to hear about the things that were not being delivered. my first time to be in phoenix i came a member as the va committee when the wait times were putting people at risk and to make that case. it feels abraham lincoln who give the quote on the outside of the va that our responsibility as americans is to care for he who bore the battle and his widow and orphan. we have updated that because our women are ones who bore the battle. in that time we did things together passing a modern g.i. bill and we were ashamed it took

about veterans had were lost in battle due to suicide. we wouldn't bury them with honors and not giving them the care. we passed those and senator mccain was on the sign of this. clay hunt suicide prevention act. that is what vice president harris has done. she took on the fake companies that bilked veterans out of their benefits with fake colleges. those are the benefits you earned. or as you heard here working in a bipartisan manner. >> we are going to leave to finish watching any time with the c-span to las vegas where republican presidential candidates donald trump is participating in a roundtable discussion with latino voters. live coverage on c-span.

mr. trump: thank you very much. >> are you ready? mr. trump: i'm ready. >> let's do this. mr. trump: let's go. >> welcome to today's roundtable discussion with our host building america's future. this is their 50th stop on america's future tour. my name is myra flores.

i'm the first mexican born congress weapon of mass destruction -- congresswoman coming to congress in 2022 and i'm here to models -- moderate this. we were created to inform and empower americans to take ownership to our countries the poles direction -- policy direction and demands or government enact policy reforms to improve the lives of americans. we need it make america's future great again. today we are joined by some very special guests, president donald trump. mr. trump: thank you.

thank you, thank you. thank you, everybody. >> army captain sam brown, u.s. senate candidate state of nevada. we are joined by six hispanic americans from this community who have been impacted by the biden-harris policies. they are here to show their situations and how this administration has negatively impacted their lives and stopped them from moving forward. and we are here to change that.

lydia dominguez, a mother, author, air force veteran. we have brian osua, a husband, father of five, proud teamster local 631 member. we have also linda forno. we have ramos jones. and we have rafael. we know president trump built

one of the strong he was economies ever lifting all americans especially the hispanic community. after his leadership the hispanic community saw a record low employment and poverty. as part of the plan to help us recover from the disastrous economy from the biden administration, president trump has pledged to eliminate taxes on tips so americans can keep more money in their pockets. i want to share my father's sorry story -- story. back in 2016 he was here and in 2020 he voted for president trump because under his administration his trucking company was thriving. he saw that his policies

empowered his company. he said even though i still don't agree with him on everything, i love his policies. and i will be voting for him in 2020. but he went from being him in 2016 and voting in 2020 and now he is all in for president trump. i know that it is not just my father. hispanic americans have seen what the beside administration has done to their lives. we all have less money. we want to take or children it a vacation, and that is what president trump will do when we gets him re-elected in november. and now, speaking mr. trump: before we get it our important discussion i will be

your moderator. i would like to introduce a great american, a leader with a spine of steel and heart of gold. please join me in welcoming bob. >> thank you, myra. you are so important for texas. i have been down with you a couple times. i remember you said your father said you convinced him to vote your way with god, family, work, freedom. you asked him why did you vote conservative republican. my party had abandoned me. and they abandoned many latinos. our future is at stake. i want to also recognize captain sam brown, who at a young age --

these are people who put their lives on line. when i see service men i say not just thank you for your service, thank you for our freedom. we have freedom that we take for granted. we don't get it back we are going to lose this country. that is why we are sitting next to the greatest president of our time, donald j. trump. >> the song goes those were the days my friend. i thought they would never ends. we took advance for ever and a day. that is where we were understood president trump. i call them days that were so good. i call the days we are in today, how bad has it gotten.

it has gotten bad. under president trump, our economy was cruising. the best economy ever. prosperity. we had a safe world, no wars, we had no inflation, virtually no inflation. we had freedom. under president trump our real average weekly wages were up 8.4%. understood this administration it is down 3.4. we cannot keep up with the cost of this administration that is hammering not only the hispanic community, the african-american community, all communities. the border was secure. illegal immigration was at a minimum. yesterday the c.p.i. index came

out and higher than expected at 2.4%. and this is on top of year after year we have had over the years 5.4% inflation on top of historic inflation. overall prices are up 20.5% but let me tell you, i will steal a phrase from mr. president -- that is fake noise. goya is up more than 50%. we do a lot of canning, come to brookshier, texas, we will show you how we can at 2,000 cans a minute. cans wentz -- went up 64%. ever since the harris biden war on fossil fuels that was the greatest scam pulling out of afghanistan. we showed so much weakness.

they invaded ukraine. ukraine is a breadbasket for europe and northern africa. they have 30% of the world wheat, 20% of corn 50% of fertilizer. it trebled the cost -- tripled the cost of fertilizer. ends -- under kamala real average wages -- i don't say that to get a buzz or as an insult. it is reality. she is bad for this country. she is bad for the latinos. real average wages were down 3.4% and wages have been up. our wages in warehousing and distributioning have almost doubled but they are not keeping up with the cost of this

administration, the burden they put on our society. the working class, the middle class, hispanic and black and african-american population have been hammered, exploited and used and abused. it has cost the middle class $2.4 trillion since march of 2022. the average middle class who is hold cost $33,000 in real wealth and you need a six figure salary in less than half of the country to buy a home. that feels -- that was day one. we can go on and on about the economy. but for me the biggest issue understood this administration, which i consider evil and i will tell you why -- is the hispanic

and african-american communities being exploited, used and abused under the greatest slavery under the history of the world. my friend ben carson also a trend of the president -- friend of the president said there are more slaves in the world today than the history of the world because the only industry that has flourished over the last for years is human trafficking and drugs. we are bringing in people, we are actively bringing in people into this countries for exploitation, millions of people. last year on april 26, 2023, someone testified that the u.s. as a 34eu8dz -- middle man in the trafficking of children. there were 85,000 children lost

-- they were sold and we are the middle man. as kara lee said, recently the inspector general of hhs, health and human services mr. trump: latinos abusing -- the latinos are the biggest target of trafficking and women are 70% of people trafficked. children are 25%. imagine you have a woman taking care of our border abusing these children. the inspector general says that 325,000 children are missing. again they are not missing. they have been sold. this is pure evil. this is spiritual war. four years ago on july 9, 2020, president trump invited me to be on the white house commission

for hispanic prosperity. this administration fired me. i guess they don't believe in prosperity for hispanics. but i said there were blessings. it came on my lips from the holy spirit and i got in a heap of triple, a boycott. but the president supported me. i guess being call for a boycott but you can't support a company. but he supported us and we did so well, we were major employer of the month for improving. as a latino i'm probably going over the three minutes. i'm sorry, myra. god placed his hands, his hands were placed on donald j. trump.

he continues to and he will not let go. look at july 13 at 1kwr 11 in the -- 6:11 put on the armor of tkpwotdz. god's hands is on president trump. he is going to bring us through to prosperity to safety and he is going to leads closer to god and make america great again. it is my highest honor -- you might know this fellow sitting next to me, the former, current and future president of the united states. donald trump. thank you. mr. trump: thank you both and thank you everybody. would you like to take over? would some people like to speak first? >> no, everyone is ready to hear

from you. mr. trump: thank you very much and i have to say with bob we became good friends. i didn't know almost before the white house but i got to know him and he represented hispanics, a lot of people, a lot of people having to do with manufacturing, business. he is great businessman and he had a very interesting situation the radical left put pressure on him not to be involved with us meaning republicans or conservatives, people with common sense. we are essentially the party of common sense which becomes a better term as time goes by with men playing in women sports and people coming two the countrien vetted and up checked. but we are the party of common sense. so, bob, he has a great company. but they were putting a lot of

pressure and i felt very badly for him because they were hitting him hard. they were trying to, tort him amount we -- extort him and he fought very hard. and then a strange thing happened. his numbers went through the roof. he was selling much more food instead of less food. they play that game. it is probably not legal but they go after businesses and not everybody is like bob where they are in a position to fight. but his company went absolutely through the roof because of his tremendous support. we have far more support than the other side. really, the term, make america great again, we are the party of wanting to make america great again. right now we have a nation in decline. we are sadly a declining nation an who would have -- and who would have thought we would have to say that.

but if you look at or borders they are horrible. i probably won in 2016 because of the border. i fixed it very quickly and turned over a great border and they destroyed it. from the moment my favorite chart feels -- was a chart on immigration and it was the lowest immigration for ever in recorded history and that feels my last day in office and it went up to the moon and itwas very sad to see it but we will do it again. this is many times worse than in 2016. in 2016 we had something within reason. we didn't have people with no talent, to brain power, people with -- that maybe hate our

country in a certain way because why would they want prisoners, gang members, drug dealers, why would they want murders, 13,099 murderers -- why would they want those people in our countries. usually when bob or i or some of the good business people around the table and in the audience -- i know we have a couple date ones, wesley hunt a great congressman by the way, he is a great congressman -- but we always say we want to know what the other side is all about. this is one of the times you say what are they doing, where do we benefit and you look at it and you say they are not smart but they are smart, they are cunning and a lot of them are evil. but you say that maybe they hate our country. i believe they could be some of that because when you allow drug hrrdz to come into our country,

allow the people they are allowing -- and empty -- they are empties prisons all over the world, this is no longer south america. this is the entire world from africa they come, from asia they come, the middle east, south america, yes. but it is not exclusively south america. the congo, we have a lot of people coming in from the congo in africa. it is incredible. but you say why are they doing it. it has to be evil intention. then you realize so many other things like transgender operations where prisoners, people that are being held as prisoners, if they request transgender operation they get it. who would believe this is possible. and she was one of them. kamala -- we don't have to talk about joe because he was

overthrown. first time. we call it a coup. people say what is a coup. the coup is you were overthrown. i believe he likes me more than kamala but what do i know? how would i know that. but i think he likes me a little bit about this much more than her. but they are having a lot of fighting going on and they answered a question the other day on one of these ridiculous shows and they said well, what would you have done differently she complains what she is going to do, i say why didn't she do it. you just sit back why didn't you do it? you had almost four years to do it. but she is worse than biden, i'm telling you. he is more intelligent than her. can you believe this? ok? it is not that i'm a fan but i think what happened to him is terrible.

he had 14 million votes, she came in last because she feels the first one -- she was the first within to drop out. there were 22 and she dropped out. it is a terrible thing. you talk about a threat to democracy. that is a threat to democracy. but the biggest threat it democracy is incompetence and we have incompetent people leading our country and problems other than borders. the biggest problem is probably the possibility of world war roam three. and that would be a war lake -- like no other with the weapons we have we have people leading us that are not the right people. we had no wars. i finished off isis. we have the best economy ever. we did great. and for the hispanic americans, that is why we are here, i want to say household income for

hispanic americans -- i asked them give me the basic -- it reaching all-time high. your household income was the highest it ever was. the hispanic american poverty reached the lowest rate ever. the lowest rate of poverty, the highest rate of income. that's not bad. you almost don't have to say anything more. the household wealth of the median hispanic family grew by 65%. think of that one. homeownership among hispanic americans reached the highest level ever by far. and we cut taxes and regulations for hispanic owned small businesses and people. we did this for everybody and everybody did better, but hispanic americans did right at the top. let me tell you what is happening at the border because it is affecting you probably more than anybody else. african-americans, hispanic americans.

people are pouring in and taking your jobs. your jobs are being taken and that is because of kamala and biden. in this case, her because he put her in charge of the border, and then it was 4:00 and he went home and went to sleep. now, she says she was not the border czar . they come out with different excuses because there's no excuse. we have the worst border in the history of the world. there's never been a border in the history of the world like this. because they had no border like this, because they fight them off with sticks and stones if they had to. this is the worst ever in the history of the world. and we have the best never in this country's history and we had a strong border. we had great people. one of my advisors, brandon judd was unbelievable. we have people today that are great. the amazing thing, they want to do their job. it is easier for them not to do their job, i assume, but they

want to do the job. but, you heard the numbers from -- think of that, family income, median, 65% increase. whoever heard of a number like that? but it is being taken away from you because of the border. people will come in and take your job. that's what's happening. if you look at the numbers today, the numbers are way down from where they were. for the african-american community, it is actually a step even worse. i just want to let you know that's the way it is. she caused tremendous inflation. $29,000 per family. kamala launched a massive irs initiative to take more tip money away. you know, no tax on tips? she goes out a few weeks later, maybe a few month later and said i have a surprise for you, no

tax on tips. we sent her a maga cap. she won't be able to do it, just like they were unable to fulfill for four years, they said they would cut the debt on colleges and schools and all of this. we will cut the debt, student loans. it failed. all that work, all that talk, it was all for nothing. it failed. a lot of people had hopes and it failed because they don't get done what they are supposed to get done. they get done nothing good for the country. the only thing they are successful at is wasting money on the green new scam. you know the number, bob, the actual number is $93 trillion. this was done by aoc plus three. i said, oh, did you study the environment? no. they didn't even study it. they want to do things like no more windows in buildings.

i have some wonderful plans for this country. honestly, they are crazy and really hurting our country badly. i just want to say it has been an honor. i've had such great support from the hispanic community and from the black community. [applause] the highest level ever. and there are those that say that it is breaking the 50% mark which is really incredible. 10 years ago, six years ago, even when i ran when i first ran, you did not know me very well and you got to know me well. the second, we did great in 2020. we did better in 2020 than 2016. we got millions more votes. but we did very well with the hispanics, and now we are doing record numbers. i think we will have a tremendous election. we will have an election like no other. i think this will be the biggest

and most important election in the history of the country. and, a big beneficiary will be the people in this room, they've been so great. hispanic people have tremendous -- they said you cannot generalize, but i think you can -- they have wonderful entrepreneurship. you have such energy. just ease up a little bit, ok? ease up. you have great ambition, great energy. very smart and you really do. it is like natural entrepreneurs. that is why the small businesses in the country, largely, the number of hispanic americans operating small businesses and big businesses, too, running them for stockholders. it is an incredible group of people. it is an honor to have you on my side. we are getting numbers of hispanic americans that no one ever thought possible.

and, we are up and all of the polls. it looks like we are leading in just about everywhere. i think all of the swing states, it came out this morning, we are leading all the swing states. and part of that is she can't answer questions. she does not know what the hell she's doing. we had that for years ago and had that for the last four years, we cannot do that anymore. we are not going to survive as a country. we are in very dangerous shape. very bad shape as a country. you look at all the things that are happening that are so bad. it's just something we cannot take. we are going to be with you. you've been with me. get out and vote. again, november 5, i believe, will go down as may be the most important day, i hope, right? right, mr. congressman? i hope it will because it will show what we do, but it will be the most important day in the history of the country. i said that in 2016 and i meant

it, but this blows it away because 2016, we have problems but not this kind of a problem. we have a problem of survival of our country because we are run by very stupid and probably evil people, and we cannot have it. thank you very much. bob. i hope that is a positive message. is that a positive message? [applause] thank you very much. >> thank you, mr. president. let's make it clear to the hispanic community that the biden and harris administration have killed our economy, destroyed our border. they have destroyed everything good that we had in our country. they have not destroyed us. and we are going to give president trump the biggest win in november. hispanics are. mr. president is going to have

the biggest support any republican president has ever had from us. i truly believe that. but, what's most important for us is our values. and kamala harris is destroying our values of family, of faith, and if we want those values to live in our children and the second-generation, it's important that we instill those values, but that we also elect those that represent our values and that is president donald trump. i think it is important that we also give an opportunity to captain sam brown to introduce himself. this race is very important for your state. so, i want to give him an opportunity to say a few words. thank you for being here. thank you for making time out of your day to be here, but also, thank you for running. i know it is a huge sacrifice.

thank you for everything you've done for our country. i would not be here if it wasn't for men and women like you that serve in our country. thank you. >> thank you, congresswoman. thank you, president trump for being here, for demonstrating to the world just how important nevada is, how important the hispanic voters are. how important this community is. we are so grateful you are with us today. fmr. pres. trump: thank you very much. >> success is not promised in life. hardship is something that none of us can avoid. i want to talk to you a little bit about the american dream. most of you know me as a veteran, someone who put on the uniform, served and sacrificed for this country, and i was happy to do that. but, like so many of us in this room, i have also got a story about pursuing the american dream.

after i recovered and i had to figure out who i was outside of that uniform, i went back to school. i got an education around business. and just because you do those right things, you check those boxes, does not mean you are going to find that success. so, in 2016, when president trump was elected and i was happy to be a proud president trump supporter, over those next couple of years, the optimism of seeing what he was doing for our country, lowering our energy costs, lowering unemployment, cutting taxes. we saw the border secured. we saw optimism, a hope for the american dream was something that we could all grab onto. it was at that time that i decided my next step in the american dream as a husband and father with three school-age children was to start my own

business. but, again, for those business owners out here in this room, that is not always easy. my journey started working in a fulfillment center. when i walked in here today and saw the racks up against the wall and the cardboard boxes, i felt like it almost feels like home. because for six months as i was starting my business, the business that provided pharmaceutical services to veterans when the va hospital was not able to, i worked in a fulfillment center. i packed up those boxes. i loaded them onto semi-truck trailers. i did that for 10 hour shifts four days a week, and i went home at night, had meals with my family and went to work on my business plan. i was eventually able to make that full transition to being a successful small business owner. that is so important to all of us as americans. all of us that we have the opportunity.

again, it is not a promise that we have success, but an opportunity. and, president trump, as our president and me being a small business owner while he was president, i was so compelled to fight for his reelection in 2020 that i did put aside some family time. when i got done taking care of my affairs, my oldest son and i would go out and knock on doors for president trump. four years ago, i was a happy volunteer. i see people out here in the crowd today who were volunteers. beware, you might find yourself one day running for united states senate, too. but, it was so worth fighting for what president trump did for us. the way that he led for us. he could not guarantee us success, but he could create a pathway for it. we saw him cut taxes. we saw him lower those energy costs. we saw optimism in our

community. and what we have now is a story of all the wrong things going up and the right things going down. our unemployment rate in nevada is the second highest in the nation. our housing costs are off the chart. the interest rates have gone so high that if i had to buy my home today that i bought six years ago, i could not afford it. i know a lot of you are in that same position. we have a number of people coming across this border illegally has gone through the roof. criminals that have come across this border, including those that committed murders, over 13,000. what's been going down? our take-home pay. the number of kids who actually can play sports as i go through the community. i've got parents saying we cannot afford to have our kids play sports. there's teachers who told me they cannot even send kids home

with homework on paper because they cannot afford the ink and paper to send the kids home to continue their education at home. the wrong things are going down. but, while jacky rosen has been our senator, while she's voted 98% of the time with biden and harris, her net worth has gone up 61%. can you imagine if your network had gone up 61% under the policies of this administration? let me tell you, there's people in your life that challenge you to be the best version of yourself. there's a couple in this room today, congressman wesley hunt right here, an upperclassman of mine at west point. you may have given me a hard time he or there, but he challenged me to be the best version of myself. to become the leader i was able to grow into being. i see pastor jimmy morales over

here as well. he has challenged me to be the best version of myself. throwing me behind the pulpit to give an entire sermon to his church one day. president trump, you challenge us all to be the best version of ourselves. you -- president trump, i have seen courage under fire. i have had to lead troops into the heart of fire. i have have survived the very fire itself. i found hope, frankly, when i had lost the will to live when someone came running to me and screamed out, sir, i've got you. there was nothing i could do for myself at that moment. but, that action, it was not just words, it was action that saved my life. and, president trump, you represent not just words, but action to save the lives and provide help for so many today.

[applause] one last thing to the women here today and who are seeing this at home, like my wife. like the wonderful first lady. like so many of you moms and grandmas and sisters here. you will determine the outcome of this election. my wife challenged me to run. she said i know the man you are. president trump need you to back him up in the senate. you women here today, you will determine this election, so let your voice be heard. get out there. get your family to vote. get your children to vote. let's provide president trump the backup he needs. >> thank you, captain brown. well, we are all here to hear from these six great hispanic americans and to hear from their

stories. i would like lydia dominguez to share your story with us. thank you for being here. [applause] >> thank you to america's future tour for having me here. thank you, mr. president. it is a true honor to share my story. my story echoes of so many latinos around the nation. i was born in mexico and raised as an infant in the united states. and my mom is a high school graduate, my dad made it to the sixth grade. he was a construction worker. when i was 12, he passed away from cancer because of all the chemicals he had been exposed to. at the age of 14, i probably became an american citizen. and, you know, i continued -- at the age of 16 and 19, i had both

of my kids. they are right there in the stadium, wave. i'm so proud of them. i had both my boys at 16 and 19. so, i decided to join the air force. i joined proudly because i had grown up with a sense of service and sense of wanting to do more in my country. under your administration, i was able to afford a home. i was able to buy my first home and save money. it was the first time i've been able to get ahead and feeling like i'd always been behind, your administration was at the point i was able to get ahead. under the biden administration, i was forced to take the covid-19 vaccine and i refused as a religious accommodation. and i was honorably discharged. and with that, most of my savings dwindled under the

biden-harris economy. and i had found myself having to work two jobs. having to do rideshare and graphic designing to make ends meet at that point. i was raised in a democratic household. my values remain consistent. mr. president, you were the first republican president i voted for in 2016. i had never seen anyone articulate the way you did how great this country is and how much it is worth fighting for. you saw what it really was and you want to protect it. despite the economic struggles after leaving the air force, i decided to remain committed to my commitment of service and i am running for clark county school board. and, my story echoes so many

other hispanics. my mom had said we are democrat because we are poor and the republicans are rich. we are not rich, so we are democrat. even at a young age, i thought, but i want to be rich someday. how do i get there? one of the things that resonates, that a lot of latinos experience as well as i did, and i will say it in spanish, my grandma would say -- [speaking spanish] she said they can always take away your car, they can take away the money in your bank account, they can take away your house, but they can never take away what's in your mind, so education was so important to me. i hold that with my children. i hold that in my community in service.

mr. president, i support you 100% and i know my latino community, my latino family supports you. we have been struggling so hard under this biden economy. we are under a democratic diet right now and i am tired of being on that diet. fmr. pres. trump: thank you very much. great job. thank you. congratulations. >> thank you for sharing your story. mr. president, kamala harris and the democrat party do not believe in parental rights. what do you say to parents like lydia, their concerns? fmr. pres. trump: you look at the school boards, what's happening. they are being treated like terrorists. i've never seen anything like it. who would think that when i make speeches, if you go back 10 years, you would never even think -- you say i stand for parental rights. who would say you have to say that? bob, when -- a major portion of

what you have to do, we will stick up for the parents. they can come and take your child and do things to your child that nobody can believe they are allowed to do. we are for parental rights. we will get those parental rights back stronger than ever before. >> thank you, mr. president. we have another amazing story coming from brian. please share with us your story. >> first of all, i would just like to share how grateful i am to be here. it is such an honor to be sitting here at the same table with president trump. fmr. pres. trump: thank you. >> i just want to start off by saying that i am just a blue-collar, hard-working man. follower of jesus christ. what's important to me is your proposal in the no tax on

overtime. i work in a trade industry in las vegas. i'm a union steward. we work very long hours. most of the time, our overtime hours are past our regular hours. your proposal would help us out tremendously, along with other hard-working citizens. when you were in office, me and my wife had a pretty nice savings account, but with this current administration, my savings have been depleted. my wife and i have noticed we used to spend on groceries for a family of six the same amount that we spent on the two of us. we are empty-nesters. we are proud of all of our adult children. all of our children have roommates. they're unable to afford renting on their own, not to mention buying a home. i remember when you were in

office, the economy was booming. i knew a lot of people that were able to come out from underneath the government's thumb. i was able to introduce my friends to a real estate agent and they were able to achieve the american dream, they were able to buy a home. life was good when you were in office. you didn't hear people yelling defund the police. we had safe communities, the country was safe. when you were in office, you showed your strength and achieved peace through strength with other countries. your leadership trickled down into our communities and we respected authority and one another. we need secure borders. without borders, you have no country. with the flood of illegal immigrants, this admin attrition has no plan with no structure. with no structure, you are bound to have chaos and that makes for a perfect plan to distract the american public and change the world into the world we are living in today. these are the conversations we talk about at work.

these are real people. i work with a lot of people of different nationalities and backgrounds. i respect everyone's opinion, but i am telling you, the majority of all the people that i talked to want you back in office. [applause] as common folk just want peace, and we don't want to send billions of dollars abroad. we want america to come first. we want secure borders, safe cities, safety for our children. a better economy and a better president than the one we've had to tolerate for the last four years. i believe in divine intervention. and i believe god protected you that day of that attempted assassination.

and i truly do believe the lord is not finished with you yet. you have a purpose. promises made, promises kept. i went to so many rallies of yours and i can still hear you saying that. i remember you keeping your word. we love you, mr. trump. keep doing what you do best and run this country the way this country needs to be led. [applause] fmr. pres. trump: thank you, brian. >> you have an incredible story. thank you for sharing. mr. president, you have gotten a lot of support from unions, from teamsters like brian. why do you think that is? fmr. pres. trump: well, we know what's going to happen. unions are going to be very affected by all these people coming in and we have no idea who they are. we know nothing about them. they are unvented, unchecked and they are by the millions. they will affect your teamsters. the teamsters, as you know, the

rank-and-file voted last week nationally -- and i know you did locally, and i appreciate it -- i respect the teamsters. i've used teamsters to do a lot of building. concrete, they trucked it in and i never had a problem. we had a tremendous vote. over 60% of the teamsters voted, which was unheard of because it never happened before to a republican. if i were a democrat, it would be 105%. i know how hard you work. i really appreciate your words, brian. you will be very happy. you do have to be careful. i told sean o'brien, the boss and he is great. great man, head of the teamsters. i said you have to be careful because you have people coming in by the millions and many are not people that are supposed to be in this country and they will be stealing your jobs, taking your jobs.

you will have turmoil. tremendous turmoil. it is not fair to the people who have been here and great citizens and works hard. you see it happening already and it is happening right now so we have to be careful. that was beautiful. thank you very much. >> thank you, brian. thank you, mr. president. now, let's hear from our small business owner. [applause] >> well, i'm so honored to be here today. never in my life that i see myself being here amongst any of you guys or having this opportunity. i guess this is what america is. everyone has the opportunity to do something. i come from an immigrant family. back in 1995, my parents came out to the u.s., landed in utah. i have two brothers. we came here legally, but we

overstated and we were able to -- overstay and we were able to make life in the united states. [laughter] it is funny. my parents came out to las vegas back in 1999, so i consider myself from the vegas community. i've been here 25 plus years. life here, did school ask everything and over the years i always had the legal status hanging over my head because you're somewhat limited given what you can accomplish and never let it get to me and i realized i had to move past it and make best of my life but i didn't choose to be here but my parents felt it was a better opportunity for the family and for us as kids so i became to love being out here in the u.s. went through high school and everything, completed all of my school like i was supposed to

and didn't see myself continuing studying or pursuing any sort of career. but i knew deep inside that i could be an entrepreneur. i could break barriers and create something without the help of anyone or, you know? and as i had that on my mind, i continued living life and shortly after high school i met my beautiful why have who's sitting down there, supporting like always. we have two kids. 12 years old and a 5-year-old. and in midst of trump's presidency is when i decided to go with entrepreneurship. build my first business, create more time for my family, better resources, income for my family. better future. i saw the opportunities as your presidency was on. i wasn't fully supportive when you ran for the first time, you

know. i learned to support and really see your path and how you were trying to guide us through a better future. things were great up until covid, i believe is when things started to fall for our family, like it did for everyone. i think it put a stall on our levers in pursuing the dream that we were seeking of having our own business, generating wealth and a greater future for our family so covid shut down the business that we were starting which was in the catering business, food truck. and in the midst of 2020 when things stalled we said we have to continue. we cannot sit back and wait for someone to come save us or help us so we went out and opened up a restaurant in the midst of all the covid regulations, all the changes that had happened. inflation. things started to change at that point and we battled through.

we're not thriving as we should. i think the last four years have been very difficult for small businesses, especially in the food industry. the cost of goods, labor. all of these things that have changed that weren't the same so we've been able to still stay afloat, pushing to try to open more locations to generate more revenue, to be able to still grow. but there's obviously limitations to what we can do, what's in our hands, our control. one things i have to mention, his pan i think soics, they don't give -- hispanics, they don't give up. they find a way. but i'm happy with the opportunity that trump has begun to run and hopefully get us back on track. i think there's room to make

america greater. some of the policies that you're proposing like the taxes on tips, services, things like that. i work jobs where people live off tips. that's the majority of their income and then it gets eaten up by their job because of the taxes and all that stuff. it's money that they've earned and should rightfully go to them so i think this is the beginning of the start for changing a lot that can benefit communities more, can benefit hispanics and not just hispanics but in the general moplation, i think there are many changes that immediate need to be made. we need to get back to the nucleus of our family. our soul of our country should be based on that. the love of our family, love of our children. then trying to maintain their saintliness, their hole inns as

long as we have. that's the future that we can and we can't let ideas, people influence that. you know, they're precious. i believe we need to get back to that. i feel confident that you're on that page, you want that for the nation, you want that for people who have a belief in a higher power, greater god and if they don't, they should also be willing and hopeful for a better future for their kids. everyone should want the best for them so there are many things that i think can be changed and i don't perceive this current administration making those changes or taking us to a better future. i believe you are the best fit for helping us get from and i hope that you can -- [applause] fmr. pres. trump thank you very much. beautiful. very good. thank you very much. that's very nice. >> thank you, elias and i agree with you. i believe that the hispanic

values are what's going to save this country. i want to talk about the no tax on tips. i was a server for many years. i understand the struggle of not wanting to report all the tips. [laughter] because we knew that we're going to get taxed. mr. president, are you going to get the no tax on tips signed into law? fmr. pres. trump yeah, i think we will. we had tremendous enthusiasm in congress for it, even on both sides. they said that was a good idea. nobody ever thought of it. i have another one. i was in detroit the other day and i said we're going to have deductibility of interest on car purchases and the place went crazy and top people on wall street. two top people said when did did you ever come up with that idea? it was something they just felt, we have to bring back our car industry. we have other things even beyond that to bring it back but that

was something. we have the ideas with the no tax on tips. i was at my building and a waitress came up and she was complaining about the way they were harassing her and i said on what? she said tips. i said really. really? i never heard of this. she said no, it's terrible. they're actually passing new legislation to graft the people on tips. new stuff. what do you think of the idea of no tax on tips? it seems like very hard money to get for the government and maybe you should be entitled and also, i think, a big thing, it could be for you but it could be for a lot of the people. you work overtime. no tax on overtime and i think that's going to be good for the country. more people are going to work overtime so we have these things. we'll get them done and approved in congress. i've gotten pretty much everything i've wanted. >> thank you, mr. president.

we want to hear from these three hispanic americans as well. we'd like to hear your story as well. >> thank you. it's a really honor for me to be here and it's my third time sharing with you, mr. trump. for now, i want to tell about my story. i'm an immigrant latina who came from nicaragua 16 years oh 16 years ago. i'm raised by two beautiful women, my mother and grandma who taught me values and taught me you have to fight for what you want. you have to fight for your criteria and your opinion and that's why i'm here. when i came to this beautiful country, i did things the right way and have worked really hard raising my three kids. one of my kids was invited to be part of the panel but he couldn't. he said, mom, it's my dream to neat president trump but if i go

and miss work, i'm going to be short on my paycheck. it's how sad our economic situation that we have to work really hard. in my house we have three people working, three salaries and having two jocks in order to support our economy in our house. it's not just me. it's all the community. the hispanics that are facing the same situation. what is frustrating is how democrats always stands for hispanics. that's what they say. we are here for latino people and i ask to everyone, what they done for us? nothing. they have done nothing and that's one of the reasons why the latino community now stands for you, mr. trump. that's what they are -- supporting you and they want you back. it's not time to regret because

many people, they vote for democrats. as i did. but now, i'm standing here and i'm standing for all those who want to be part of your team, who wants to be part of this american dream and believe me, they are waiting for you to hold your hand and they have the faith that you are going to bring america again as we are -- to have it. [applause] fmr. pres. trump thank you very much. >> thank you, linda.linda.fmr. o ahead. >> we would love to hear your story, thank you again for being here. >> thank you, mr. president, it is an honor to be here with you today. i'm a first-generation immigrant from ecuador. i came here when you were president five years ago.

came with nothing, without being able to speak the language and without knowing anybody here and today i'm sitting here with mr. president trump. [applause] cameron, that's my daughter. [applause] when you and mommy used to sleep on that mattress on the floor, i never thought the was going to be possible. this is only possible here in america. [applause] and that is why you have to defend this country until the end. and that's why you have to love this country unapoll jetically, as i do. there is only one america, do not take it for granted.

[applause] the ones that have come from different countries know how bad it can be. how bad it can be if we do not defend our freedom. how bad it can be when they won't assign us. how bad it can be when we lose our rights and when we do not defend our values. values to worked hard by our parents. i'm proud to be part of a community that work hard every day. people of faith, people that in today's economy are suffering. they have to have two or three jobs to meet their needs. we immigrant hispanics have already made the sacrifices by leaving our countries, leaving our families, leaving everything that we know behind. we have nothing to lose. and we do see this country with

a lot of hope. hope that you gave us and that we hope to restore it. we're willing to learn and embrace those opportunities. opportunities because we are survivors. we take risks. we get things done when we, too, have the opportunities but unfortunately opportunities in today's america are lost. in the last four years, they have proved that they want to divide and bully those who don't think like them. they know the power of latinos. and they are only using us for political purposes. in the last four years they have proved that they do not care about us. thank you, mr. president. [applause] >> thank you, edey. mr. president, really quick, what do you say to those who immigrated here to this country the right way.

what do you say to those people that are here in this country? fmr. pres. trump so you have a lot of people that came in and they went through 10, 12 years of work and i think they're being very unfairly treated. they've worked so hard and they're so proud and they love the country. we have people coming in, many people coming in and do a good job and many people shouldn't be on that line because they're dangerous people. we have a lot of dangerous people. we're going to take care -- we understand we want to obstruct borders but we want to have people come into our country legally. it will happen. we'll have a lot of people come in but they have to come in legally. and we have know that. i think everybody knows that [applause] >> thank you, mr. president. now, would you please share your story with us as well? >> yes, and it's an honor to be here. thank you, mr. president, for

doing this and taking the timing out to talk to the hispanic community. i was born in san yawn, puerto rico. have son puerto ricans back there. i moved here with my family. i started my business in 2008, right in the middle of the recession, as they say. we do emissions testing here in town and then we go to the d.m.v. for people that are working or don't have the chance to go because they'reout there providing for their families. i know everybody lovers going to the d.m.v., right? [laughter] but about two months after i started my business i had a detective come in. gun and badge and everything. he said, hey, you know, you can't really do this business. and that was my first interaction with government as a business owner and that's when i learned if you don't get involved with government, government is going to get involved with you and, you know,

a couple of back and forths for a few months and eventually said you know what, you're right. the law doesn't say that you can't do this business so you're able to continue but instead of encouraging innovation, the de fault government position is usually to shut it down so as i continued over the years, i dealt with obstacle after obstacle. policies that weren't business friendly. regulations that didn't make any sense. at one point i had a meeting with some government officials and they said we're going to make this policy change and if you don't like it, change the law so i had to get involved. i got involved with state legislators and it took me a year and four months and eventually we changed the law. [applause] so, i'm not a person who complains and just stands around, right? i put myselfout there to fight for what's right and i really care about our state and all my

fellow small business owners and all my hispanic community and i know from firsthand experience how important it is to have elected officials that understand business and care about encouraging growth and i feel like we have a governor here in governor lombardo who stresses that nevada is open for business. [applause] but the issue is he's going to need help. and today, for me, some parts that are critical to my business are double and trip it will price that be they were four years ago and mr. president, i know you're a businessman. you know how hard that is to see costs double and triple and what that does to your bottom line, to your employees, to your customers. and as an hispanic business owner, father of four. my family is right over there sitting down. [applause] it's tough right now.

it's really tough right now. and what i'm doing is i'm paying attention to the policies and i'm not paying attention to the media hype and i recommend that everybody else do the same. [applause] you know, the issues that really affect us are gas prices, groceries, the cost of supplies because at the end of the day we just want to provide for our families. so, mr. president, i want to know what can be done to -- as an elected official at the federal level to deal with this inefficiency in government, the bureaucracy that small business owners have to deal with on a day-to-day basis? thank you for the opportunity. fmr. pres. trump thank you. it's a great story. the big thing with you is going to be the cost of energy. very big thing and we're going to get that down by 50% within the first year. more liquid gold, oil and gas. we have more than any other

country in the world including saudi arabia, including russia and we don't use it to the extends that we can and the problem is your prices are too high. it's not a question of inflation anymore. they've already done the damage. the damage has been done. you have things that are costing 50, 60, 70% more than they were three years ago and we're going to get your energy costs down by 50% within the first 12 months and when that happens, everything is going to follow it and i think you're going to be in very good shape. very good story, though. very good. thank you. [applause] >> thank you, mr. president. kamala harris is telling hispanic americans that mr. president is against us. clearly he's forus and it's going to take all of us to rise up and speak up. we will give president trump the biggest win in november but it's going to take all of us to rise

up, get out to vote. i want y'all to act like we're 50 points down. we got to get our friends and family out to vote. this is the most important election of our lifetime. the future of our children, the future of our grandchildren is in your hands. i believe in the american dream. not only am i the american dream, so are you. you are the american dream. and the american dream is worth fighting for. but it's going to take all of you to rise up. this isn't just about us here at this table. it's about you as well. you need to take this election very personal because the future of our country is at stake and it's in your hands. so let's give pres. trump, the biggest win in november. [applause] fmr. pres. trump thank you.

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>> it's detective night in pennsylvania. ♪ face to face, debating for the very first time, you'll hear from the two candidates fighting for your vote. seven bob casey. -- senator bob casey. >> he should go to the grocery store in pennsylvania. he spends most of his time in connecticut. >> and challenger, mccormick. it's a critical seat in a battleground state that could decide control of the senate and the white house. the issues that matter most to the voters will make all the difference. >> i'm voting for integrity. >> prices to come down. >> our economy. >> aborg. >> tonight you get to decide which candidate will earn your trust. which one shares your values on the social issues and your dreams for our future and will

earn your vote. live from your local election headquarters in harrisburg, this is the pennsylvania u.s. senate debate. good evening from the nation's capital. i'm your host leyland from news nation. it's detective night and the salt lake city are high. not only for the ski stone state but the country and the balance of power in the congress takes center stage. our moderator is dennis owens. we're broadcasting tonight's debate across the country on news nation as well as on stations that reach all 67 pennsylvania counties from philadelphia to harrisburg to erie. let's review the debate rules. mr. casey, mr. mccormick, you'll have 60 seconds to answer a question. if there's a follow-up question, you'll get 30 seconds to respond. each rebuttal also gets 30 seconds. a digital clock will clock down

toe zero and dennis will move things along when time is up. each candidate will also have 90 seconds for a closing state. now live from the abc 27 studio in harrisburg. detective night in pennsylvania. >> now, it is time to welcome candidates. first, republican dave mccormick. former hedge fund c.e.o., west point graduate, army veteran. his father was the first chancellor of the pennsylvania state system of higher education. democratic bob casey, a three-term u.s. senate incumbent.

former state auditor and treasure are you whose father was a former governor. gentlemen, thank you for being with us. and let's get started. current headlines lead us to begin with the middle east. this week iran launched nearly 200 missiles at israel after israel put troops in lebanon and killed hezbollah leadership. as we approach the one-year anniversary of the hamas attack. you have both expressed support for israel. mr. casey, are you willing to put american troops on the ground in the current conflict? you have 60 seconds. sen. casey: i want to thank you and abc 27 for this debate and also happy new year to all of our friends in across pennsylvania celebrating hash ho shanna. this is a difficult time for the israeli people. 1200 israelis were murdered

in cold blood by a terrorist organization. we have to continue to support israel's efforts to take on hamas and others in the region including the threat posed by hezbollah and the iranians. now that iran has launched missiles against israeli people we have to stand with israel and fight for them. in terms of putting our troops on the grounds we've got to back up israel and make sure that israel has the resources it needs to fight against the iranians. >> does that involve troops on the ground at the moment? sen. casey: not unless we have a theirs of war and a detective in the senate and the house. >> is there a -- to lose your support? sen. casey: i've been a strong supporter of israel over the

years i've been in the senate. they know my record and i think they also know my opponent's record is one of lifting up a veryries. he was managing money of president xi of china, increasing those by 108%, lifting up our a very sayers instead of lifting up america. >> are you willing to put american troops on the ground in this current scenario? >> my wife and i went to israel. we saw firsthand the brutality that hamas brought to the jue irk people and the original sin was the funding of iran that the senator had a decide ising vote on. that's where all these missiles are coming from and now that israel is in a fight for its life it's because of that

weakness, that encouragement, that lack of strength on standing up against iran and standing up against all its proxies in the region. i wouldn't send troops in on the ground right now. but what president biden has done and i haven't heard senator casey speak out on this is he's started to put red lines in place on what israel should and should not do. we need to stand strong with israel. senator casey has been a weak link. it's the closest alley in the middle east, one of the closest in the worlds. the problem is we shan't haven't been standing enough with israel. and we have a fight at home against anti-semitism. another place where senator casey has been weak. he has sponsored an anti-semitism bill, which i think is a good bill. hasn't been able to get even one

vote on floor. we have to have the strength, moral courage to stand up against iran and anti-semimites at home. >> mr. casey, you have a 30-second rebut at. sen. casey: when it comes to the question of moral clarity, mr. opponent invested hiss own money, millions of dollars in a website that platforms hate, holocaust denial and anti-semitism. at least $100,000 he's made off of that investment. the second thing he did was to invest in a chinese weapons mastererer that had ties to iran. those weapons made their way to hamas so who's supporting israel? >> off 30 second rebuttal. mr. mccormick: when you don't have a record to run on, as senator casey does not. you attack your opponent. very you viewers tonight i have

a website, caseylies.com. you can go and see the actual facts by third-party sources of all the things he's saying. there will be lying throughout but why is a senator with an 18-year track record running his entire campaign with a negative set of attacks on me, most of them lies, thank you. >> your time is up. to the issue of immigration, according to u.s. customs and border protection, at least 10 million migrants have crosseds the border since 20218 mr. mccormick donald trump has stated if he's president, we want to de port all those who passed illegally. do you support that and how would the u.s. go about doing that? mr. mccormick: the weakness at the border is a direct result of joe biden and kamala harris and

the senator voted for benefits for illegal immigrants and the fentanyl crisis that's come across our border is a direct result of bob casey not standing up to the cartels. we have an enormous crisis. we learned recently that 25,000 convicted murderers are and rapist have come across the border. absolutely we need to send them home. de important first and foremost those convicted criminals. we have made americans less secure, we've made our country less secure. we've made pennsylvania less secure because of the weakness of bob casey and the democrats on this issue is i will be strong on this issue on day one. >> how would the u.s. go about doing that? mr. mccormick: that's the problem. i've been there more times than the senator and border disaster. these people come across the border and in two days are let loose on our economy.

it's going to be very hard to track them down but we have to do it to break the incentives of people coming across our border. >> thank you. in the past six months, pres. biden has restrussed policies similar to donald trump's that have reduced the border crossings. to you support those? sen. -- absolutely, i support that. the bill that my opponent opposes because the leader of his party said don't support it because it might help us politically. that same bill is supported by the border patrol union so i guess mr. mccormick knows more about border security than the border patrol. that would invest in technology

to find fentanyl. coming across the border, often driven by american citizens, vehicles packed with fentanyl. my opponent, unfortunately, as a hedge fund c.e.o. invested millions of dollars in the largest producer of fentanyl. >> mr. mccormick? mr. mccormick: senator casey is rich with his strength on the boarder when he's-time and again voted against the measures necessary to get our border secure. he said clearly when president trump was president, we don't need a wall for border security. i sat with fentanyl families very recently. it's gotten out of control under senator casey. we need little to go across the boarder and take on those cartels. senator casey has shown up recently as a strong a advocate for the border. he hasn't been there.

>> talk about leadership. little would be a candidate for the united states senate talking about border security. leadership would be about taking on the leader of your own party and anyone else in supporting the bill. that would be little and strength, not weakness in the face of that pressure. the problem we have at the border is one of a lack of investment in the strategies we know that work. hiring more border patrol would help. he doesn't want to do it because he doesn't want to take on the leader of his participant and when he was running a hedge fund he invested in the largest fentanyl operator in china. >> what is your response to saying you've not done enough? >> i've met so many across this station. whether it's a sheriff or a mom in allegheny county. this is an awful, awful strategy for those families.

that's why we need to invest in the strategies we know work. won't do that because he's weak in the face of the political pressure in his own party. we can solve this problem by investing in the technology, hiring thousands more border patrol. >> i have a follow-up for you, mr. mccormick. a report that says as kroft e.o. of bridgewater, you oversaw a company that produced fentanyl. can you explain that in mr. mccormick: he's voted 99% of the time with biden and harris. when asked what do you disagree with biden and harris? he couldn't think of a single thing. it's an amnesty bill. it was a bad bill and i've shown myself to be independent from president trump and anybody else. on fentanyl we invested in

bridgewater in many companies approved by the united states government. senator casey invested personally in the very same company that he's referring to. >> respond to that, sir. sen. casey: not true, dennis, and that was fact checked. mr. mccormick made a decision as a hedge fund c.e.o. to invest in the largest fentanyl producer in the world. that allegation was me was fact checked and shown to be a false charge. mr. mr. mccormick: fact check that. the pittsburgh editorial. >> every poll has shown that the economy is the number one issue for pennsylvania voters who agree that prices are just too high. mr. casey you have led efforts to target companies for so-called greed fflation.

can you show an example of where price controls have worked to benefit consumers and not hurt businesses? >> first of all, prices are too high. especially when you go to the store to buy food or household items and these big conglomerates, big corporations, rig those prices and jack them up to levels we've never seen all while they're getting record profits. that's greed flation. we can take it on by passing a price gouging bill. you have to go into court to prove the companies are engaging in that. that has to be proven. here's the difference, though. i'm taking on this corporate greed. i want to pass a price gouging bill and role back big corporate tax breaks. he's defending them over and over and, we shouldn't have

price gouging legislation because he wants to support their corporate fax breaks. i want to take them on and hold them accountable. >> mr. casey, you are also targeting shrink flation. we are 30 miles away from snack food capital of the country. have you investigated any of these? >> i don't necessarily look at that. we've had reports on them. they take a product, shrink the products of what's in a bag and don't shrink the price, that's deceptive, that's ripping people off. people notice. they go to the grocery stores and they see it. >> shouldn't pennsylvania companies expect investigations? >> if we can pass legislation to

have the same power at the federal level that attorney generals have around the country, yes, to hold those companies accountable. windshield do that. he doesn't want to do that. he doesn't want to hold companies accountable. >> i do want to turn to mr. mccormick. if donald trump were to win -- >> i need to respond to that. when you're spent your spire life in public service, elected office 30 years, you're like a hammer look for a nil. the cause for inflation is the spending by the government. bob casey voted 100% of the spending. larry summers, the san francisco fred said this about inflation, this has been tried in america -- >> if donald trump were to win one of your first vote as senator would likely be extending expiring tax cuts which critics say mostly benefit

corporations and the wealthy. >> i would be in favor of extending the trump tax cuts. that are mill class tax cuts as well. there's already been a 20% tax increase under bob casey because inflation is stealing money out of the pockets of working families. i'd wants to add a child tax credit, add money for a child tax crept. i.v.f. tax credit. and the corporate tax cuts are necessary to enshoo you are that america continues to be competitive. bob casey doesn't understand how the economy works. >> let's further talk comply. the national dealt is at $35 trillion, went past that this week and growing. the congressional bunt office projects that tax cuts would add trillions more to the debt. how do you justify increasing that debt by increasing those

tax cuts? >> republicans and democrats over the last 30 years have spent too much. under biden-harris and casey it's a hockey stick. bob casey confidently said, no, this isn't going to cause inflation. it's caused record-high inflation so that's the main cause of inflation and what's griffin the debt. the first thing we need to do is roll back all these ridiculous subsidies for e.v. buss and charging stations and billions that have gone into solar. this is what the economy has happened under biden-harris and casey. >> mr. casey, you have a 30-second rebuttal. >> his plan is to double down on a dealt explosion. we already had a debt explosion of $2 trillion under the 2017 bill and now he wants to double down on that and supporting the bill will jack up the debt by 4

trillion at least. you know what happens when that plan goes under effect? social security and medicate and medicare are on the chopping block. if we have tax reform from 2025, it has to be a cut for the middle class. >> the reason that social security and medicare and the department is spiraling out of control is because of the spending of biden-harris and casey and kamala harris just give her new economic policy, $2 trillion more spending and price colonel controls that bob casey is promoting. as a senator, i would support and stand by social security. stand by medicare. i wouldn't accept any changes to those programs and senator casey is lying if he says anything to the contemporary. >> during our 2022 primary debate in this studio, you said you believe in only rare

exceptions for abortion when the life of a mother is in danger. however, you now say you support additional exceptions. tonight can you clarify where you stand on those? you have 60 seconds. >> this is an extremely polarizing issue. i have six daughters so we spend time talk about this. i believe this should be a state's right. pennsylvania has a law. it's been supported by democrats and precious signed into law by the senator's father, governor casey. i would not favor legislation of any kind to support a national abortion ban. there's no senator that's flip-flopped more on this issue than senator casey. he has signed legislation that would allow abortions up until the due date with government funding supporting them. i also said before and after that debate that itches in favor of the three exceptions. you can find that on casey

lies.com, my position hasn't changed and in senator casey's position has changed, he wants to polarize on this issue. >> you have said you do not support a national abortion barn. are you concerned that women in other states don't have the same right as women in pennsylvania? >> i think it's important that are voters decide. the voters in these different states have to decide what's best for them. they have different preferences, different state's right. i proposed an i.v.f. tax credit. when i was a c.e.o., i gave it to every employee. it's hugely expensive. we need to make it more wildly -- >> you were first i elected at a a pro will have life democrat

but in 202 after roe v. wade was overturned, you decided to support pro-life. you have 60 seconds. >> in 2022 when the supreme court overturned roe v. wade, i think everyone had to make a decision, including senators. i made a decision to support the women's health protection act. i don't support republicans who support oabortion across the country. mr. mccormick's answer was different. your question was what exceptions do you support? and he said life of the mother. not an exception for rape or incest. so that's his words and our are a big change but when the decision was made to overtush roe, his reaction was that that decision made him "very, very

happy." so that's yes he's been on this issue and when you talk about bans in other states, a woman in florida hemorrhaging before she -- had to go on a ventilator for her life to be saved. >> should there be any restrictions on abortion. 30 seconds. >> i support roe v. wade and that was the consensus across the country. it would allow reasonable ricings. that's what i support. >> mr. mccorpic? mr. mccormick: no person in the senate has changed. senator casey was only for one exception and now he's saying -- because he also just signed legislation that allowed abortions up into the ninth month. so different than what we just said and he supports government funding for them. i'm not going to take any preaching from senator casey on any position on abortion and

it's something we need to get past and let people in the states decides what's best for them. >> we've heard a couple of statements tonight about telling lies but probably the biggest lie told in this whole election was the lie when my opponent said he lived in pennsylvania when he was living in connecticut. the associatedded press on august 14, 2023 did a story that proved that he was living in connecticut after telling people all throughout 2022, all throughout 2023 that he lived in pennsylvania. he lied about that. >> i have a follow-up but first i want you to respond, 15 seconds to the residency question. >> i need more than 15 seconds. >> take 30. >> i'm a seventh generation pennsylvania. i grew up in brooksburg. was born in washington county. i went away to west point, served in the military for nine

years. came back to pittsburgh, helped create a thousand jocks as one of many people on a team. i've spent the majority of my life in pennsylvania. i did run a firm in connecticut. when i said i was living in pennsylvania, i was. senator casey is once again lying. the fact he got some reporter at the associated press to reinforce his lies does not mean it's true so people needs to know that senator casey is lying and why? because he doesn't have a track record as a united states senator to run on. >> respond to that, sir. >> he told a lie and i think most people know that now. he also lied about being a farmer. he's not a farmer, he's a hedge fund c.e.o. or at least usedded to be. by the way, he fill still benefits a lot from that hedge fund. >> last week, vice president kamala harris said she would support ending the filibuster to

codify roe v. wade. to you grilloing the vote to legalize it. >> i've been in favor of a whole variety of matters. right now the filibuster act as a block to make progress on background checks for common sense gun legislation to make sure that we have background checks in place, supported by 85% of the american people. that's blocked because of the filibuster. women's rights is blocked. voting rights is blocked. protecting workers' rights to join the union. i will support it and my opponent will continue to support to use this arcane rule to block progress really as an excuse to not vote on issues of the day. when people elect you we should

vote on big issues and full-time fill the wishes and aspirations of those who voted for us. >> you said you do not support ending the filibuster. why shouldn't a simple majority in the senate be used to forward legislation? >> be very afraid. i would support not eliminating the filibuster. imagine a world where kamala harris and bob casey is in the majority in the senator. bob casey is a 99% vote for biden-harris. he'll be a 99% vote for harris-walz. a career politician who is too weak and too liberal to stands up against his own party. we shouldn't have extremes on either side. the senator -- senate was meant to bring a place where you bring wisdom and reserve. if they do that, it will be

completely out of step with the country and pennsylvania and irreversible. >> this is a rule that could be changed. i think most americans believe that, that progress shouldn't be blocked on basic basic issues that people want us to make progress on but he doesn't support it because he doesn't want us to make progress on those issues. he doesn't support the voting rights act, the women's health protection act. legislation to protect unions and he also doesn't want us to talk about his own record as a hedge funds c.e.o. where he made a lot of money investing in china and hitter pennsylvania doing it. >> we've talked about my business career. about casey, not only anti-business, he's anti-success. i ran one of the great firms in the world. it invested about 3% of its investments in china. it was working around the world.

for policemen, firefighter. when bob casey was the treasurer, he stat on the board of the teachers' pension plan here in pennsylvania and he approved bridgewater. now bob casey is using this as a way to come after me. he's anti-business and anti-success. >> let's fill in the blanks about what that hedge funds id in china. invested in china's military in companies that made bombers and missiles and aircraft carriers to help china. invested in china's largest producer of fence nil. invested in china's oil and steel companies -- >> you're going to have a 90 seconds closing statement we have to move to another topic. >> can i get 15 seconds? bob casey approved a $30 investment in china mobile when he was the terrorerer. he's -- treasurer. he's taken lobbyist money from a

chinese drone company. >> i'll give you 15 seconds to responds. >> we're supposed to believe from person who lied to the state about yes he lives? >> gentlemen, we need to move to the next top ek. fracking, national gas industry are critical to pennsylvania's economy. mr. mccormick, how do you plan to balance supporting the industries while also protecting the environment? >> they've had the most id ottic policies i've seen. you don't have to ban fracking. essentially what's happened is we lost our ability or energy dominant. we've hurt ourselves in terms of creating jobs. we have the fourth largest reserving of national gas in the worlds. we're blessed.

because of fracking we've reduceeds carbon production in the united states by about 40%. i'm an environmentalist and a cons serve vacationist. i also want -- conservations. i also want great job for pennsylvania and i want to be secure. because of huge subsidies and e.v. panels we have to buy from chin. i can't think of a more stewed set of policies and i'm anxious to hear what he says. >> senator casey, how do you plan to balance supporting the natural gas industry and supporting the environment? >> number one, i supporteds legislation just two years ago that made the greatest investment in clean industry in americantary industry, allowing us to combat climate change and at the same time i've supported all of the above energy production for pennsylvania. natural gas, i've always

supported it. the same guy who lives about where he lives has been lying about my position on fracking. i voted against a fracking ban. investing in china's oil companies, managing money for said rain's oil companies. investing in the rise of china. so many pennsylvania jobs are lost because china was cheating and he was helping them while they were cheating. investing in china and hurting pennsylvania. over and over and over again. the only demon de nominator here is when he made an investment that hurts pennsylvania. the only commonality is a lot of money went in his pocket. >> senator casey keeps coming back to my records because he can't defends his own. he's been in the senate for 18 years. my mom is from punxsutawney.

all this activity, he said on the export ban that president biden put in place, he sent a stern letter to stop that. that's what we have in this senator. a guy who keeps his head down, pops it up for political benefit and gets nothing done. >> senator occasiony, you have a 30-seconds rebullettal. >> i think the records of his investments are fret damning, when you look at the investments in those china entities, whether it's a chinese manufacturer that had ties to iran. child you invest in a chinese weapons manufacturer with ties to iran and then the weapons found their way to hamas. the i.d.a. founds them after the the israelis. it's because he wanted to make money. >> constellation energy and microsoft announced a plan to

restart a reactor on three mile island, the site of the worst nuclear disaster in u.s. history. do you support the reopening of the use of federal dollars for nuclear projects? sen. casey: when i said i'm for an -- mr. mccormick: when i said for -- i am for an all of the above energy policy that includes nuclear. when we have those opportunities, we should take them, to have investments made in our energy infrastructure and resources, but i will go back to the same point. mr. mccormick does not want to talk about this investments because he knows people get uncomfortable when you have invested in an adversary and made money off of it. he has invested in adversaries and made a lot of money off it and i don't think that is the kind of senator we want. it seems like the same guy who spent time as a ceo prioritizing

china now would go to the u.s. senate and prioritize those billionaires. those billionaires are paying for more than half his ads. a small group of out-of-state billionaires. >> mr. mccormick, do you reopening three mile island and would you approve federal dollars for such projects? mr. mccormick: what i am not in favor of his hundreds of millions of dollars of subsidies toward clean energy projects that are driving inflation across our economy and country and making us more dependent on china. senator casey has a record of being a photo of the energy industry. he has been for cap in trade. a regional gas initiative would have raised prices. this is a senator who now says he would not ban fracking and kamala harris says she will not ban fracking so they now have

synchronized flip-flopping but he has not been a friend of the natural gas sector. he said he's going to do six pieces of legislation that is anti-fracking legislation. he has contributed to the red tape that bans fracking without actually banning fracking. he says i am for fracking but i will stand in the way of actual fracking. >> do you have any concerns about a private company creating a nuclear power plant to serve its own needs? >> i do have concerns. that's why they have to make the case to me and any federal agency, but i'm happy there is activity at that site so we have some activity for our energy sector, but let me go back to what my opponent just said. the same guy who claims to know more about border security than the border patrol is now claiming he knows more about my record than the energy workers who support me. i have a sort of the building

trades in pittsburgh and philadelphia, the united mine workers, the boilermakers, every union in energy, they support me and not have. >> mr. mccormick, does it concern you, a company creating its own nuclear power plant? mr. mccormick: we need proper oversight and regulation but we need to bring in private capital to get i have gone to the border. you don't have to be a genius to know that convicted murderers and rapists coming across the border is a problem. this is about accountability. he has been in the senate for 18 years. who is responsible for the border and inflation? he would have you think he was nowhere to be found. >> you and president biden both grew up in scranton. you are one of his closest allies in the senate and until

today he dropped out you supported his candidacy. kamala harris has replaced him. who is the better candidate for pennsylvania, biden or harris? sen. casey: i think vice president harris is running a strong campaign and i think she carried pennsylvania that she will carry pennsylvania. it will be close. people have to make two basic decisions. they have decide on the torres and our race and this race is very clear. on rights and on flights that a lot of working families one is to engage in, the fight on health care, whether or not we will have medicare and medicaid cut or have an investment in our families, whether we will have an investment in our families through the child tax audit and a middle class tax cut or give billionaires the same cuts

they got before and jack up --or reduce the taxes on big corporations. >> would biden or harris have been better for pennsylvania? sen. casey: we will never know the answer to that. the voters will make a decision. >> you have criticized mr. casey for voting and president biden almost all the time. can you give us an example where you don't agree with donald trump? mr. mccormick: he recently said he wanted to get rid of the ban on a tax that is a tax break for millionaires. senator casey stood next to joe biden when he could hardly finish a sentence and said he's ready to go. senator casey said kamala harris is great and you will over when you get to know her. she said she wanted to ban fracking, legalize illegal immigration, defund the police. this is her position.

so she flip-flopped on everything in bob casey is standing by her. he's a career politician. he has shown weakness when we need strength. he's a 99 percent vote for his party. he has shown no independence and has adopted a set of extreme liberal policies that are taking our country in the wrong direction. this is a contrast between the two of us, a political outsider and a businessman. >> you have a 32nd rebuttal. sen. casey: he was to talk about his business record, here is his business record. he has been a hedge fund ceo, living in connecticut, making investments in china, which is an adversary, making investments or at least managing money for the saudi's, managing money for president xi of china all while helping china rise while our workers were getting

screwed. that is where it began. our workers started to lose jobs. >> you have a 32nd rebuttal. mr. mccormick: go to -- caseylies.com.

president trump is using tariffs to ensure we get a fair deal. i am supportive of using tariffs strategically like i think president trump will to make sure american workers today fair deal and i will support him when he does it. >> you urged and applauded the biden administration for increasing tariffs on china. are you saying the former president was right on that? >> he was and i supported the tariffs on steel and aluminum. when you use tariffs in a targeted and strategic fashion, you can help our workers and companies. i will continue to support it.

again, my opponent, he's trying to have it both ways. he talks about tariffs but he will not talk about a plan he outlined tonight to double down on those tax cuts for big corporations and wealthy americans. that automatically puts not only the use but especially these, social security, medicare and medicaid on the chopping block, all to give another tax break to the biggest billionaires on the planet and the largest corporations. they are the ones that are funding his campaign. that is his payoff to them. he is bought and paid for by these big corporations and billionaires. they are paying for his ads. >> you have a 32nd rebuttal -- 30-second rebuttal. mr. mccormick: bob casey has a lot more money than me so i am

the number dog that ashley underdog -- so i am the underdog. because he is a sure bvote -- sure vote 99% of the time. if you get him in the senate, you will see more of the same. >> you have a rebuttal. sen. casey: he will continue to brag about his record as a hatch fund ceo so let's talk more about that. i talked about those investments in china. he also silenced women from making allegations about sexual harassment. when he was doing that, i was passing legislation with pat toomey to get tougher on creditors targeting minors and also passing legislation to make it more difficult for anyone to commit the crime of sexual assault on campus.

mr. mccormick: i have a track record of over 25 years in business of mentoring and creating great environments for all workers, including women, minorities. my track record is beyond repute. we are talking about sexual predators, they are coming across the border as we speak. >> u.s. steel announced a $41 billion sale to japan's nippon steel. mr. casey, you urged the biden administration to block that trade. why do you believe the government should block a private business transaction? sen. casey: the key for me are those steelworker jobs in the valley and in pittsburgh. i want to make sure at all costs that those steelworker jobs stay here. they are union jobs. i don't like what i have been

hearing from u.s. steel, talking about moving those jobs to arkansas, a non-union state, but that is my concern. my concern is it would be a foreign-owned steel company buying the iconic u.s. steel business and putting at risk those union jobs. we cannot lose those jobs. they would be devastating for pennsylvania. >> mr. mccormick, perhaps you agree on this, because you have also said you would fight to block the signal. mr. mccormick: generally speaking, my view will be let's not have the government get too involved, but in cases of national security, where the domestic steel industry is important for america's future, you have to intervene. even though japan is an ally, nippon has operations around the world, china, russia and elsewhere, and this does pose national security issues you would have to work through.

this is a beautiful question because u.s. steel was actually going to invest billions of dollars in the mann valley, but it took a new plane to arkansas instead and the reason was because the allegheny county government blocked a new project on environmental grounds. this is the kind of we have a senior senator who keeps his head down and does not fight for pennsylvania. sen. casey: he was in connecticut when that was going on. he was investing in adversaries. he is not that she does not have any standing to talk about what was happening -- he does not have any standing to talk about what was happening in

pennsylvania. they were planning on outsourcing those jobs to arkansas. they would not be in the mon valley. i will fight for those jobs. >> what you said is the opposite of what i said. i said it was because of regulations that those jobs left. we lost those jobs because of you. show me a place where you stood up. you are a weak senator, a liberal senator, a career politician who wants to have it both ways. sen. casey: why don't you show some strength and support the border bill? number two, he's talking a good

game about u.s. steel. this is the guy that bet against u.s. steel, bet on chinese steel companies, non-american. >> u.s. surgeon general says the mental health crisis among young people is an emergency and social media has emerged as an important contributor. mr. mccormick, you called for a social media ban for kids under 16. how would you impose penalties on companies that don't comply? mr. mccormick: this is one of many possible contributors to a mental health crisis and i know social media companies are beginning to think about how to have approvals and buttons that allow parents to be more involved in turning off social media and there's evidence to suggest this poses a problem to mental health but there's a bigger mental health crisis than social media. it's happening across the

country and with veterans. since senator casey has been in office, there's been 20 years of 22 veterans today killing themselves. this is unthinkable and indefensible. if i get to the senate, i will focus on veterans mental so 20 two a day are not killing himself. this is part of the reason we have a public problem with veterans. it says a lot about the country. >> your colleague, senator blumenthal, supports similar legislation. do you support any restrictions on children using that? >> i do and i just voted for the bill. at the same time, i also have a

strong record of supporting v.a. health care every time he comes up for a vote, and also one of the senators working to pass the packed act. it's a great achievement. on social media, though, here is the difference. i voted for that bill but here is the difference. this is a candidate who invested his own personal money in a website deplatforms hate, holocaust denial and anti-semitism. that's not good for anyone of any age to look at and there's no question that young people see that. it was a bad investment. i don't know why he continues to make money off of that kind of a platform. >> you will each now have a chance for a closing statement. mr. mccormick, we will begin with you. mr. mccormick: this is the most important election of our lifetime. our country and our commonwealth is in trouble.

we have wide-open borders and a weak economy. america is going in the wrong direction. skyrocketing prices are putting enormous pressure on families. i'm a political outsider, businessman, west point graduate and combat veteran from iraq. i want to make sure the america i love is available for all my children. bob casey is the problem. he is a weak leader. bob casey is a career politician. he went to the senate to change washington and washington changed bob casey. he has voted for borders being open and for not funding the border patrol. he has voted for all these wild spending bills under biden and harris, which have led to an increase in prices. he has been soft on crime and on china. he has voted for tax hikes for workers.

bob casey actually voted for biological males to be able to compete in women's sports. you are a liberal and this is not the bob casey you elected for office 30 years ago. we need commonsense leadership that will secure the border and get the economy back on track and keep america safe. our commonwealth deserves change. i would be honored to get your boat. sen. casey: thank you for this opportunity. every day i have been a senator, i have gone to work for the people of our state, fighting for working families, seniors, people with disabilities, veterans, and i have a strong record on all those issues. i have voted to invest in strategies that will secure the border and invest in the middle class. while i was doing that and working on behalf of the people of our state, this guy was running the largest hedge fund in the world, investing in

china. he increased investments in china by 108,000%. he invested in china's military. he invested in a company in china that made 90% of the fentanyl in china. he invested in chinese oil companies. he managed money for president xi and saudi oil companies. all of those investments hurt pennsylvania and continue to hurt pennsylvania. the voters in the state have a clear choice. we can vote for a candidate who will vote against union rights, women's rights and workers rights and voting rights or for me, who is going to protect those rights and win like i have. i respectfully ask for the vote of the people of pennsylvania on november 5. >> we are grateful both of you joined us. that concludes our debate. thank you.

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powered by cable. >> next, democratic congresswoman elise slotkin and former republican congressman mike rogers, nominees and the 2024 race to represent michigan in the u.s. senate, participate in a debate hosted by wood-tv. this is rated as a tossup by the nonpartisan cook political report. it's about an hour.

>> good evening. i am your host. control of the senate and white house runs through michigan. for the next 60 minutes -- the next 60 minutes will reshape the debate. our moderator is rick alvin. tonight's debate is being broadcast. we are streaming online and across the country. before we get to the questions, let's review the rules. mr. rogers and ms. slotkin, you will have 60 seconds for an opening statement and to answer a question. rick will alert the candidates

when the time is up. and now live from grand rapids, it is debate night in michigan. >> welcome and thank you for being here and thanks to everyone for viewing. we encourage everyone watching to let us know your thoughts on x. it's also where you can find the source material used in developing tonight's questions. each will get a 62nd opening statement, a coin flip determined that congresswoman slotkin will go first. you have 60 seconds. >> thanks for having me. i'm a third-generation michigander and a congresswoman from michigan's seventh district. my life in national security began on 9/11. i happen to be in new york city

when 9/11 happened. got recruited by the cia, did two tours in iraq, and worked for two presidents, one democratic and one republican. i believe we must enhance and strengthen the middle class. michigan invented the middle class. that means jobs with dignity and bringing down the cost. i'm glad we are having this debate tonight. there are some real differences between me and my opponent but the good news is we both have records. i have five years in the congress and mr. rogers had 20 years as an elected politician.

the border, gas, ev mandates.

we should talk about all of this. rick: here is where we start. there is a major storm bearing down on florida. fema's response to some of the disasters we have seen have, with the question throughout the south and even in michigan. fema denied disaster relief after a tornado struck in kalamazoo county inmate. how would you prioritize fema and make sure they have the funds to meet the disasters we are seeing nationwide? rep. slotkin: we have had nine people die in the state of michigan from six tornadoes, four in the district i represent. sometimes we got federal assistance and sometimes we did not. what is happening in north carolina and what they are fearing in florida is terrifying. we need to make sure our

disaster response is prepared for the next generation. we are going to have more and stronger storms and extreme weather and fema needs to be prepared no just not just with the right personnel but with enough cash. we increased the money they get per year because we all know when the next disaster will come but is responsible -- it's the responsibility of the federal government to deal with them. rick: congressman rogers, same question. how would you prioritize to make sure fema has the money to meet the needs we see on a regular basis? mr. rogers: fema is an important organization. one of the things that makes no sense in the last six years is the fact that fema spent almost $700 million on housing illegals and now just told north carolina they don't have enough money to take care of american citizens

who are in desperate need in the middle of a disaster, so here you have a wide open border in the south where the government, including my opponent, who voted for funding of illegal immigrants, that comes out of the fema budget. this is something really important. if we are going to get spending under control in washington, the last thing we need to be doing is spending money on illegal immigrants. close the border and fix that problem. make sure fema focuses on americans in their time of need. rick: congressman, you have a 30-second rebuttal. rep. slotkin: i think no one is proud of what's going on at the southern border, but the idea is we have to make sure we have the resources needed for emergencies that are happening right now today in our state. that means prioritizing funding.

we have plenty of things to do on the border and we -- and i hope we have an opportunity to get into that. i may cia officer who spent my life protecting the country. i hope we will get to that. we also need to make sure fema is ready to address the problems in michigan now. rick: congressman rogers, you have 30 seconds. would you be in favor of appropriating more? mr. rogers: we have to get it right first of all. diverging that money from illegals coming across the border is an absolute nonstarter for me and should be for most michigan citizens. my opponent voted and voted to allow that money to go to illegal immigrants into say now that she has done more for the border -- listen, six months of campaign ads don't make up for six years of bad policy and judgment. we have to fix the thinking back

in washington, d.c. rick: let's move onto to the escalating tensions in the middle east? yesterday marked one year since the attacks on israel. israel continues attacks on hamas and hezbollah. civilians have been harmed in this. iran has launched missiles into israel. so with all of that, the question is is there a redline that israel could cross that would lose your support? mr. rogers: you know, i think one of the big problems people have been trying on both sides of this issue -- we could have a cease fire tomorrow if hamas would give up the hostages we have four americans still there. they should be brought home. they were dragged out of their homes viciously on october 7 into the tunnels of gaza. i think what we should do is support israel getting this right, frame out a cease fire

based on getting the hostages out first. they need the ability to defend themselves. they are being attacked from the north. they are having attacks coming in from gaza. where all of this has started is in tehran, if we don't contain tehran, we will have more trouble and be more involved in the middle east. rick: is there a redline that israel could cross? mr. rogers: hypotheticals don't work in this. they have to defend themselves. iran is coming at them through hezbollah and hamas. iran is attacked 200 installations across the middle east since october 7. rick: congresswoman slotkin, the same question to you. is there a redline beyond which israel could go after which they would lose your support? rep. slotkin: it is extremely

raw and personal here in michigan. for me it's clear we need a cease fire deal that brings the hostages home. israel has the right to defend itself when people come and kill their citizens, rate women -- rate women, shoot ballistic missiles out of them, but iran is now in a very interesting moment. there big proxies have been killed or wiped down in hezbollah and hamas and they just fired a strategic round of ballistic missiles, including hypersonic muscles. israel has the right to respond to it but i will not say that the u.s. should get back into a big land war in the middle east. we spent 20 years in iraq and i spent three towards there. i am not interested in having another 20 year war in the middle east. rick: is there a redline beyond which israel could go beyond

which they would lose your support? rep. slotkin: my opponent was a big supporter of the iraqi war. i do not support a -- support another land war in the middle east. mr. rogers: my opponent was wrong on all of this. the architect of the nuclear deal with iran, the fact that she supported making sure that the saudis could not defend themselves against the houthis, taking them off the terrorist list, making iran have the capital by allowing them to sell oil into the market has engulfed us in the middle east. bad decision. not standing up to the fact that they are using their proxies across the middle east not only to attack israel, our ally, but also to attack 100 different installations around the middle east. rep. slotkin: there is one of us

on this stage who has been on the receiving end of iranian rockets and mortars and iud's in iraq -- and ied in iraq. i take a backseat to no one on the issue of iran. i am as hawkish as anyone. we need to deter and contain them. rick: this hits home, especially for some of our citizens on the east side of the state. michigan has one of the largest arab-american populations in the country. do you believe a cease fire is possible if either hamas or hezbollah has the current political structure and is allowed to remain in charge? rep. slotkin: a cease fire deal has to actually work to get the hostages back. they took hostages a year ago and they need to be returned. that has to be part of it. and they cannot be able to

project power into israel. we all deeply care about civilian casualties. we have a humanitarian disaster going on inside gaza. you have to understand that a cease fire deal means he cannot project violence into that state. you cannot. we need a cease fire deal but it needs to come at a point where they cannot project violence. israel has the right to defend itself from that. rick: same question. with this current situation, is it possible to get all the sides to a cease fire? mr. rogers: you can never go into anything thinking it is never possible. a cease-fire could happen today if we could get the hostages out. you cannot have a cease-fire could happen today if we could get the hostages out. it's a terrorist organization. they assassinated hostages in the totals along the way -- the

tunnels along the way. we need to find that place where we can get those hostages out and then have further dialogue. the problem is iran is still coming at us. i understand my opponent's notion that serving in iraq gives permission to be wrong in the entire effort for iran. we are engulfed in the middle east from bad policy. they are drawing the united states, the democrats along with the support of the congressional allies, including my opponent, into a wider conflict. bad decisions. rick: you have a 30-second rebuttal and you can address the congressman suggesting you were wrong. rep. slotkin: it's important we reflect our records. the congressman was elected for 20 years. he was a chairman of the house intelligence committee. in the run-up to the iraq war,

there was no greater supporter than mike rogers in leading us into their war. if we are talking about why the middle east is the way it is, we had 20 years embroiled in iraq and afghanistan. men and women, americans, dead. you have to be extremely cautious when you're talking about these issues. i will not succumb to bellicose talk on that. rick: congressman rogers, you have a 30-second rebuttal. mr. rogers: this is a little offensive to me. i have family in the military. and so i was more cautious than most about us being, you know, using military force within the region. and by the way, that information that was given to congress was based on the cia at the time. my opponent was in the cia doing analytical work. if you think about how dangerous this is, and i get it, the cia

has deception training. my opponent clearly went through that. you are supposed to use that against your adversaries, not michigan voters. rick: the economy, the latest emerson college poll says many voters in michigan call it their number one concern because prices are too high. this is echoed across the country. congressman rogers, specifically, if you are elected, what can and what will you do to help bring down prices? you have 60 seconds? mr. rogers: i have traveled around the state and i have never seen such hurt as i have now. i met a young woman who has four kids. she works part-time and her husband works full-time at a small factory in michigan. in tears talked about how the last two or three days of the month she has to go to a food pantry to feed her family. this is unacceptable.

they poured money -- my opponent voted for all of it. trillions of dollars of spending. that has raised the cost of groceries, of gasoline. it has made the average family in michigan about $12,000 in the hole before they start with inflationary numbers. here are the things i would do. we have to become energy independent. i'm for an all of the above policy but if we don't get gas prices down we won't get food prices down. there is no sense buying oil from venezuela we have capability here. 1.6 trillion dollars in the regulation coming out of washington, d.c. we have to get our arms around spending. rick: you have called yourself team normal. you have said that prices are too high and your priority is tackling inflation. the same question, what are you going to do, what can you do, to

get prices down? rep. slotkin: it is the most common issue i think anybody hears when they are walking around. someone telling me i cannot afford this. people are hurting. they feel shame about it. so for me there's really three things that i've been working on doing that i believe in. number one is bringing the supply chains back home from places like china. that includes the 44 manufacturing facilities being beat now -- build now in the state of michigan. you need jobs with good benefits. tackling the primary costs, health care, prescription drugs. we finally allowed medicare to negotiate drug prices. housing, childcare. number three, you have to keep more money in your pocket that you learn. we have to do thing like the earned child tax credit. give breaks of the middle class

instead of the ultra wealthy. rick: mr. rogers, you have a 30-second rebuttal. mr. rogers: if you want to help the middle class, you don't do it by raising prices, by reckless spending and washington, d.c. since my opponent has been elected, we have lost in the state 29,000 manufacturing jobs. i worked in an assembly plant in michigan. these jobs are critical. the average wage of those jobs, $72,000. you cannot continue to say you are for the middle class and eliminate the variability for people to be middle class. rick: congresswoman slotkin, you have a 30-second rebuttal. rep. slotkin: it's important you have a record. mr. rogers says he cares about costs. let's talk about medicare negotiating drug prices.

the cosco model -- the costco model. he voted against allowing medicare to negotiate drug prices. canadians can but not the americans. that is just pure unadulterated greed on behalf of the pharmaceutical industry. rick: we have seen what is happened -- what has happened with a 50% surge in housing prices from 2012 to 2022, and every year, year to year, housing prices have risen by more than 5.5%. congresswoman, should taxpayer dollars to be used to help first-time homebuyers? you have 60 seconds. rep. slotkin: i would like to see the details of the program

but i will tell you what i do believe and what has worked. we are helping to build an apartment building. it's a public-private partnership. it's some public money but a lot of private builder money and they will put aside a certain number of units for affordable housing could if you are a cop, a nurse, a teacher and you cannot afford to live in traverse city, how do we make sure you can afford to do your job and not live an hour away but in the city? there's a lot of ways we can do it but it's about increasing the housing stock. we need more production of houses. i'm not sure about the program. i have not looked at the details but i can tell you what i voted on and it is expanding housing for people in the middle class. rick: congressman rogers, the question is, first of all, will

$25,000 be enough to help somebody buy a home and should we use taxpayer money to do that? mr. rogers: if you talk to anybody in the housing business they will tell you the federal government walking in and putting down $25,000, you have just increased the cost of housing by about $25,000. it does not work. the number one reason people cannot afford homes is interest rates. people who want a house cannot do it because they are at 3% and are not about to pay 7% or 8% on a house. they cannot make up for the difference of what used to be. and my opponent has voted 100% with the biden-harris agenda. and if you think about what that means, it means she is likely to go in and vote for this $25,000 and every other scheme that will only increase the cost of housing.

if you want to get to the root of this, we have to stop spending, stop borrowing the money from countries like china that we don't have, and start bringing it back under control so we can get interest rate step. that's the number one thing. rick: congresswoman slotkin, you have a 30-second rebuttal, and within that, if you could address whether you agree with the concept of using that money for first-time house buying. rep. slotkin: it is on the issue of bipartisanship, which is important when you are running to be michigan's senator. we are a purple state. i was voted the 14th most bipartisan member of progress out of 435. i voted and split with my party more than 97% of other democrats in contrast to mr. rogers, who was literally the whip for his party. i believe in bipartisanship and

he is misstating the record. rick: you can have your rebuttal. mr. rogers: the agenda that brought us high gas prices, high grocery prices, that brought us your electric bill almost doubling, about a 90% increase in costs from 100% of voting with the biden-harris agenda. i was in congress and i know how that works. when you are talking about the issues that matter, 100%. i think it is disingenuous and certainly deceptive, saying that you vote against your party but you vote for all of the things that have -- rick: our first viewer question. i'm happy to have this. it is dealing with social programs. happy to have my colleague here with the first question.

amber: our first viewer question is from david in grand rapids. he wants to know what the campaigns will do to strengthen social security, medicaid and medicare. rick: what would you do to strengthen social security, medicaid and medicare? congressman rogers, you have 60 seconds. mr. rogers: on the day of 9/11, i had a presentation to the budget committee, and that was about making sure the congress did not continue to take money out of the trust funds to spend on other things. one of the things we should be doing is protecting the social security trust fund. my parents survived on social security and medicare. my in-laws --

together in a bipartisan way to stop that from happening. i see no action to that end and it will be an important issue that we protect and preserve medicare and social security. rick: our viewer wants to know what you will do to protect social security, medicaid and medicare. rep. slotkin: this is an area where i think we are very different and we again both have records on this. i believe it's essential and it's been a personal issue for me to access health care. it is important that if you work your entire life you have the safety of knowing you will not end your life in poverty. i believe in supporting medicare and social security. mike rogers voted to either privatize or cut medicare and social security over and over again.

he voted to raise the age of retirement. it is all on the record. so it is not about what he's going to do but what he has already done. it's not about the talking points when you are sitting in front of a tv camera but what you will do and what you have done when you were in the job. so for me whether it's allowing medicare to negotiate drug prices so we actually save something for medicare, whether it is changing retirement, redefining it as he proposes, we could not be more different on this issue. rick: you obviously disagree with what congresswoman slotkin just said. you have 30 seconds to rebut. mr. rogers: dishonest and deceptive and we have seen that over and over again and on this issue it is the same. i'm not even sure she could pass the polygraph test at the cia anymore. when you look at what we have to do to protect it, fear is not going to get it done. nor did i do the things she suggested i did.

my opponent came from a very wealthy family. i did not. we came from a middle-class family here in michigan. we counted on social security and medicare. my father had cancer. i had cancer when i was 19. these issues are big in their personal. rick: congresswoman slotkin, you have 30 seconds in rebuttal. rep. slotkin: there is no need to throw names around or yelp epithets at each other. he voted to raise the retirement age. that is not a fabrication. he has been down in florida for a few years, but when you vote your record is public. we know you voted to privatize or cut social security. he voted five times against allowing medicare to negotiate drug prices. it makes sense. to me it's not about throwing names or deception or mentioning the cia.

it is about what you did when you held the job. rick: it is time for you to take a breath and maybe a drink of water. we are going to take a quick break. when we return, we are going to talk about ev battery plants in the state of michigan onto me -- on debate night in michigan. now back to our questions. i want you both know that these next couple questions are going to deal with the subject -- with a subject i am sure there are divisions on but i want to be as clear on them as possible. sales for ev's compared to what had been projected by some auto dealers are just not there still. in michigan, we have plans for two ev battery plants and they continue. we saw the downsizing in battle creek.

along with a plant proposed in big rapids that has been embroiled in controversy. congresswoman slotkin, here is the question. are ev battery plants right for michigan and if they are why are the? rep. slotkin: i don't care what kind of car you want to drive. i don't care if it's a gas powered car or an ev. i live on a dirt road. i cannot have an ev for the foreseeable future. i care about who is going to build the next generation of vehicles. it is either going to be us or china. right now, china is eating our lunch on these types of vehicles, and michigan has had the experience of missing these trends. in the 1970's and 1980's, we said no one will ever buy a fuel-efficient vehicle, and then the japanese and koreans came in and ate our lunch and we have never made up that market share. i don't care what you want to drive but if the answer is who is going to build them, i want that to be team america, not

china. i just don't understand this idea of just ceding that ground to china. my opponent is happy to let them eat our lunch. i'm not. we should make them. rick: congressman rogers, are ev plants right for michigan? mr. rogers: i worked on the assembly line in michigan in i will tell you what. they know more than what's coming out of washington, d.c. 85% of everything that is processed in an electric vehicle has to go through china. why we would see that auto market to the comet's party of china is beyond me. my opponent has multiple times supported ev mandates, trying to pick the cars the companies have to building the cars you have to buy. that got us 2400 layoffs at stellantis, 1000 at general

motors, ford is talking about closing two lines. the ceo of ford said this is unworkable. there's a better way to get where we want to go, like hybrids. you don't have to plug it in and you get to keep the autoworkers in the state. about one million are rely on building something for a gasoline engine. why we would take it off the table is beyond me. rick: you have a 30-second rebuttal. rep. slotkin: i don't understand for someone who claims to care about national security. if you are worried about ev;s being -- about ev's being built abroad, join us in michigan where we have been trying to bring back our supply chains since covid. we all had to figure out we overextended ourselves into china so we started bringing parts back, mining back, things that are important to the supply

chain. i'm not going to just give it up to china. rick: you have a rebuttal. you have some differences here so you have 30 seconds to try to point out what those are. mr. rogers: my opponent signed a nondisclosure agreement to facilitate a chinese company going out near big rapids to bring in chinese engineers to build a factory that makes components of which 85% have to be processed in china. when it is fully operating, it takes 40% of michigan autoworkers and gets rid of them. why that is a good plan when there are other things we can do -- the electric rate cannot handle it. we have to fix that. eb china by selling americans cars they want to buy. rick: i will give you 15 seconds. the congressman said you signed an indian.

this has been a point of contention between the two of you. did you? rep. slotkin: i have never signed an nda with the chinese government or entity or company at all. i found out about that plan in the paper. he repeats it. it is alive. the detroit news and every other news source that is credible has said so and he should stop repeating. rick: you have expressed concern over the potential ties to the chinese government. he did that at a rally near to the site where it is supposed to be built. what evidence do you have that you can document that the chinese company, and feel free in your 60 seconds to address the conversation. mr. rogers: go to slotkinnda.com. you will see the nda, number

one. two, the incorporation papers for this company says it is affiliated with and must abide by the chinese constitution. we knew this was going to be a problem. leon panetta said this will be used for espionage activities. there's no doubt in my mind why they are bringing chinese engineers here to michigan, and if you think that is crazy, the fbi just arrested five chinese nationals spying, which is pretty close to where this factory will be. we need to take a deep breath and step pretty darn close to her this factory is going to be. we need to take a deep breath and step back. there's a better way to get where people want to go and it's

not to bring the chinese to michigan as she has been part and parcel of doing. >> congresswoman slotkin, do you have any concerns about the appearance of chinese government involvement in the goshen plant and what would you say to people near where the plant is being proposed to do have? >> again, i have never signed an nda with any chinese government or company. he repeats it. it's a lie. the mike rogers of 2024 seems happy to do it. i'm sad about that. here's the thing. i was the one who wrote the legislation that said we should be able to ban the chinese from buying our farmland, manufacturing facilities. it's bipartisan legislation. i would love to have his support from it. you shouldn't have these companies buying our manufacturing or farmland without full national security vetting. we passed legislation to do it. this is where i stand on this issue.

the reason he likes to repeat these lies is because when he left congress and went to work as a consultant, he was the chief security officer of at&t when they were actively working to get chinese companies into our telecoms. for me he's trying to distract from his own record of helping the chinese get into our cut -- telecommute acacian system. >> you have a 30 second rebuttal. >> the congresswoman knows that when i was in the private sector for the last 10 years, i had a security clearance. if i wanted to work for a chinese company which i would not, i couldn't do it. so she makes these charges. they are aspersions and it is unfortunate. this is the same member of congress who has been deceiving us on the nda. i never signed an nda. we find out she did. she has been involved. she did take money from chinese agents who were involved in the process -- >> i have to respond to this.

what he just said honestly it is offensive. the mike rogers of 2014 that people thought they knew who cared about national security would say it should never be divisive at the water's edge is now a completely different guy. to accuse people of these kinds of things, especially a cia officer is offensive and he needs to rethink how badly he wants this seat, how desperate he is to make a move like that. >> all right members. we are going to change the subject although i know there's a lot of passion on that and we could go on. the biden administration announced support for 1.5 billion dollars in federal loan guarantees to restart the palisade nuclear power plant in van buren county. if the nuclear regulatory commission gives the go-ahead, it would be the first restart of a nuclear power plant in u.s. history. congresswoman slotkin, do you

support the plant and the use of federal taxpayer dollars for nuclear projects? you have 60 seconds. >> i supported actively the restart of the palisades plant because we are going to need more energy. everybody knows we are going to need more energy as a country and we need the grid to be updated to deal with that. for that we need the whole menu. we need nuclear, traditional forms of energy, wind, solar, natural gas. the whole gambit. for me what's important is to take a very practical view of this. i worked at the pentagon. we mitigate risk by having diversity of sources. you never want to be just devoted to one energy source. god forbid you run out of fuel. so you have redundancy. for me and all of the above approach including nuclear is the way to do it. >> congressman rogers, do you

support using federal dollars for that and other nuclear projects. >> we are going to have a 57% increase in need off of our electric grid. everything from ai operation, cryptocurrency, you're going to need a lot more power. our electric grid can't handle it. nuclear and small modular nuclear reactors something of been working on for a while is exactly the way to do it. i get the huffing at the microphone. if you care about national security, you cannot see it our economic future of the commonest party of china. >> i agree. let's do it in michigan, man. let's do it. >> absolutely. you should have done it that way. bringing the opportunity for

chinese companies to operate in the united states -- you cannot get promoted to the senate if you don't understand how the chinese operate. >> congresswoman slotkin, we have a 32nd rebuttal. i don't think you have to set it up for you. you both have expressed yourselves. >> the thing that's tough is in washington and the armed services committee, it's one of the most bipartisan committees that still exists. because it's on national security, it really remains a bipartisan place and the most bipartisan issue is china. it's where we worked together and banned things like huawei. it's where we took on the tiktok issue. it is sad that a guy who considers himself a national security guy can't see that we need to work together on this issue, not lie repeatedly. let's get to work, man. >> congressman rogers, 30 seconds. >> i will look for every opportunity to be bipartisan.

but this is a fundamental flaw in judgment about what the chinese are doing to us. intellectual property f. the fact that they are buying homeland. my opponent has been there six years. we haven't seen anything get done. an election year is great. you can be bipartisan in an election year. the slotkin agenda that made groceries more expensive, your kids can't buy a home, your car payments are high. 23% repossessions of cars up. >> let's go back to amber with another viewer question. >> in 2022 michigan voters approved prop three called reproductive freedom for all with a vote of nearly 57%. bonnie asks, why do you believe it is ok for the government to interfere in women's reproductive health decisions? >> that's bonnie who says why do you believe that the government

should interfere in women's reproductive health decisions if you do? you have 60 seconds. >> thanks for the question. i think this is the most heart wrenching decision a woman will ever have to make. i think those decisions are best made where her doctor, family and faith is. in 2022 to set aside what was a divisive issue across america, states got to make the determination. the people of michigan voted overwhelmingly to make abortion legal and part of the state constitution of michigan. i will do nothing when i go back to washington, d.c. to do anything that would change with the michigan constitution voted on by the people of michigan have given us that guidance to go back. >> congresswoman slotkin, do you believe it is ok for the government to interfere in

women's decisions about reproductive health? >> i believe in a woman's right to choose. i did not support overturning roe v. wade and if a bill came in front of the senate to codify it i would support. this is an important distinction between the two of us. mike rogers 22 years as a legislator voted for every single restriction, every bill that came across his desk to make it harder for women and to ban and some cases a woman's right to choose. 56 times in total. we checked the math. to me every single time he was casting" and was saying to women, he does not trust you to make your own decisions about your own family planning every single time. when it comes to our rights and protecting ourselves i think it is important that we have someone in the seat who does that. he voted and sponsored bills that would make it impossible to have ivf and contraception. if he does not trust us to

protect our own rights, do not trust him. >> congressman, you've got 30 seconds. >> deceive and deception has been the constant theme of my opponent from the beginning of this campaign. i have talked about making sure ivf is available for families. it's a very personal thing for these families and i support it 100%. what she is saying is i don't trust you people of michigan. she's going to go back to washington, d.c. and put our vote at risk with the rest of the country with states that don't agree with us. i'm telling you that this is such a personal issue and we have decided. this issue is decided as of 2022 i won't go back to washington -- >> i was in washington. you voted in florida. for some people this issue is a talking point. he has put his finger in the wind and said now i won't look

good if i don't change on this issue. he has changed 30 years of being unilaterally pro-life and never breaking once with his party on this issue. it's not a talking point women. it's our lives. it is whether we bleed to death in a parking lot. do not trust him. >> another viewer question from amber. >> more than 10 million migrants have crossed the border since 20 21 without authorization. according to estimates by the pew research center. michael from granville wants to know what is your plan for these 10 million immigrants? >> as we look at the question from michael, he makes a point. it took biden three years to come up with some executive orders like trump era remain in mexico policy. congresswoman slotkin, are you in favor of keeping those in place? >> our immigration system is broken. it has been broken for a long

time and what's going on at the southern border no one is proud of. as someone who has protected the homeland my entire life as a job as a cia officer and pentagon official, every country in the world has to write -- the right to know who's coming in its borders and what they are doing. we absolutely need to do more at the southern border and we are working on a deal to provide more resources to the bleeding ulcer that we have down there. to me, if you are not here legally, you should not be here. you should be removed to your home country. that's why i have done more border legislation than any member of congress. it's why we passed a bill system fentanyl. it's also if i can be honest part and parcel of a bigger conversation. we need legal immigration. our farmers need it. our folks in mackinaw needed.

-- need it. >> congressman rogers, former president trump has called for mass deportation of some of these migrants that we are talking about who entered the u.s. illegally. is that something you would support and how would you go about it? >> i'm very delighted to hear my opponent has had a conversion about border security. she has been there for six years and voted with biden harris 100%. and here's the thing. you can't voted against the wall. you can't vote against sanctuary cities. you cannot do the things you have been doing and allowing 10 million people to come into our country. we have spent something like 450 billion dollars on taking care of illegals. room and board and phones and health care. that's enough money to pay for every michigan teacher and every state trooper for 15 years. the fentanyl that's coming

across the border has killed almost 3000 michigan citizens every year. this has been a catastrophe and we have seen absolutely nothing. saying you signed a few letters, this is something that should get our blood going for what it is doing to the united states of america. i'm going to go back and i will fix and secure the border first thing. >> you said i was proudly part of team normal. i don't care if you are democrat or republican. just be normal. civil, reasonable. get in and solve your differences. we had a negotiation going on that would provide tremendous resources to the border. it was exactly what democrats and republicans want their leaders to be doing. sitting in a room, no twitter, no tweeting. mike rogers and his allies came in and said we would rather use it as a political talking point. i want to close the border. he wants to keep it open apparently.

>> nobody was more bipartisan when i was chairman of the house of television. i know how to solve big problems. there has been no problem solved by my opponent in the entire six years she has been back in washington. the bill she is talking about had bipartisan opposition. you can't make legal 2 million illegal immigrants every single year. look at the crime. look at the problems it creates. that was not a bill to solve the problem. it was a bill to exasperate and make permanent the problem. it was really a disaster of a bill. >> candidates, it is hard to believe, but we have come to closing statements. i'm going to ask you both to stick to 60 seconds on the news. we started with you, congresswoman slotkin. you will go with the first closing statement. you have 60 seconds. >> thank you for holding a really good debate.

i think at the end of the day the issue comes down to trust. hoodoo trust to come and talk to you and go and fight on your behalf in washington. fight on behalf of the middle class, lowering your health care costs, protecting your rights. it's the question of who do you trust. for me, we couldn't be more different on a bunch of issues. let me make a particular appeal to the republicans watching like my dad. the republicans who feel like their party has left them. you will always have an open door in my office. you will always have a place at the table because i want to hear from you. i am very transparent. if you come to me with a good idea, if you come to me with pushback, i'm going to be open-minded. i will even change my mind. if you are wondering where your party has gone, come and vote for someone who actually gives a crap about you. democrats and republicans

civilly and decently. >> i was a young fbi agent working the sexual trafficking case. a young gal 15 years old ran away from home, got spotted by organized crime, recruited, they made her a stone cold heroin addict within 30 days. we found her 30 days later. she has track marks between her fingers and toes. she gets in the car, stares out the window for 10 minutes, never saying a word. after about 10 minutes without looking at us she says, do you know why i didn't kill myself? why? because i knew somebody cared enough to come find me. when you look at the problems around this state, families are hurting from the policies that have come out of washington, d.c.. this choice could not be clearer. killing jobs or creating jobs. higher grocery prices, lower grocery prices.

this was exactly the kind of choice we have to face. a closed border or a wide-open border that brings the problems of the south. thank you very much. i would appreciate your vote on november 5, i will have your back come november. >> candidates both, thank you very much. i want you to keep in mind that even as we are here tonight, people are voting. so absentee ballots are available and if people are watching tonight, we encourage you to make a choice and vote. we have no vested interest in how you vote, but we think it's important that you do vote. early in person voting will begin october 26 and election day is november 5. i want to make a personal note to all the people that helped make this program work for this past hour. i couldn't tell you many -- how many people in and outside of this building have been working nonstop to make it happen.

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guilty plea. >> good afternoon everyone. before we get started, i want to extend my sympathy to the millions of americans who have had their lives turned upside down by hurricane milton and hurricane helene. i know i speak for all of us in expressing my gratitude to the first responders on the ground who are carrying out rescue missions and i want to thank all

the volunteers who are helping their neighbors get through these storms. and now to the subject of today's announcement. today, td bank pled guilty to multiple felonies including conspiring to violate the bank secrecy act and commit money laundering. td bank has also agreed to a 1.8 billion dollar criminal penalty combined with civil enforcement actions announced today by other agencies. the united states will be imposing a total of approximately $3 billion against td bank. td bank created environments that allowed financial crime to flourish. by making its services convenient for criminals, it became one. today td bank became the largest bank in u.s. history to plead guilty to bank secrecy act program failures in the first bank in history to plead guilty to conspiracy to commit money laundering. this is also the largest ever

penalty under the bank secrecy act and the first time the justice department has assessed a daily find against a bank. as part of the plea agreement, td bank will fundamentally restructure its corporate compliance program and u.s.-based bank, which is the 10th largest in the united states. the bank has also agreed that the imposition of a three year monitor ship and a five-year term of probation. while the bank has started its remediation, it will continue to remediate and improve its anti-money laundering compliance program. to ensure the bank operates lawfully and safely moving forward. in addition to obtaining today's corporate felony please, the justice department has also prosecuted two dozen individuals for their involvement in money laundering schemes that moved over 670 million dollars in illicit funds through td bank accounts.

justice department -- pursuant to the plea agreement, td bank is required to fully cooperate with the justice department's investigation of the bank and any of its officers, directors and employees. if it fails to do so it will again be subject to criminal prosecution. our criminal investigations into individual employees at every level of td bank are active and ongoing. as is the case and all corporate criminal manners, no one involved in td bank's illegal conduct will be off limits. we will follow wherever it leads. fellow -- federal anti-monterey along -- anti-money laundering laws -- the traffickers who flood our communities with

deadly drugs cannot use american financial institutions to move their money. and our anti-money laundering laws dictate that a bank that willfully fails to protect against criminal schemes is also a criminal. that is what td bank was. because it failed to maintain an adequate anti-money laundering program between january 2014 and october 2023. over a six-year period, td bank failed to monitor $18.3 trillion in customer activity. as td bank admitted in its plea agreement, this allowed three money-laundering networks to transfer over $670 million through td bank accounts. at least one of those schemes involved five td bank employees. the bank maintained an automated transaction monitoring system that was supposed to detect and generate alerts on suspicious

transactions and activities, but that system was willfully deficient. as the bank admitted in the statement of facts which it filed today, at various times high-level executives including the person who became the bank's chief anti-monterey -- money-laundering officer there were serious problems with the anti-money laundering program. but the bank failed to correct them. three money-laundering networks took advantage of the failed anti-money laundering system. over the course of a three-year period, a person who td bank employees knew as david moved over 470 million dollars in illicit funds through td bank branches in the united states. david has separately pled guilty to laundering drug proceeds through the bank. david had attempted to launder money through numerous financial institutions but found that td bank had the most permissive

policies and procedures and so chose to launder most of his funds there. he also bribed td bank employees with more than $57,000 in gift cards in furtherance of this scheme. david's illegal conduct was obvious to say the least. on more than one occasion he deposited more than $1 million in cash in a single day. he then immediately moved the funds out of the bank using official bank checks and wire transfers. td bank employees at many levels understood and acknowledged the likely illegality of david's activity. in august 20 20, 1 td bank store manager emailed another and remarked, you guys really need to shut this down, lol. in late 2020, another store manager implored his supervisors

to act, noting that it is getting out of hand and my tellers are at the point that they don't feel comfortable handling these transactions. in february 2020 1, 1 store employee saw that david's network had purchased more than $1 million in official bank checks with cash in a single day. the employee asked, how is that not money-laundering? a bank off a back office employee responded, it it 100% is. in a second separate money-laundering scheme, five td bank employees conspired with criminal organizations to open and maintain accounts at the bank that were used to launder $39 million to columbia, including drug proceeds. that money-laundering organization reused the same

venezuelan passports to open multiple accounts at td bank. it sometimes used the same passport to obtain multiple debit cards for a single account. despite significant internal red flags, the bank did not identify that its own employees were conspiring to launder tens of millions of dollars to columbia until law enforcement arrested one of them. in yet a third scheme outlined in today's charges, a money-laundering network maintained accounts at td bank for at least five shell companies, used accounts to launder and solicit funds through the bank. even though flags connected to those accounts, the bank did not file a suspicious activity report until law enforcement alerted bank to the money-laundering networks activities. by that time the accounts had

been open for over 13 months and had been used to transfer nearly $120 million. on multiple occasions, bank employees openly joked about the bank's enabling of criminal activity. in one instance, a compliance employee asked a manager what the bad guys thought about the bank. the manager replied, lol, easy target. other employees consistently joked about the bank's motto, america's most convenient bank. they linked it to the bank's approach to combating money laundering. for example, a compliance employee asked a colleague why all the really awful ones bank here, lol. colleague replied, because we are convenient. there is nothing wrong with a

bank that tries to make its services convenient for honest customers. there is something terribly wrong with a bank that knowingly makes its services convenient for criminals. financial institutions must establish and maintain compliance programs that guard against money laundering. but td bank chose profits over compliance. in order to keep costs down. that decision is now costing the bank billions of dollars in criminal and civil penalties. less than a year ago, the justice department secured felony guilty pleas from finance, the world's largest crypto currency exchange and from its founder and ceo. we also obtained one of the largest corporate penalties in u.s. history. the department's actions against buying ants and td bank are a

reminder that financial institutions in this country have an obligation to guard against criminals exploiting their services. the justice department will aggressively prosecute any company that fails to do so. i want to express my gratitude to the public servants at the justice department's criminal division, u.s. attorney's office for the district of new jersey and the dea for their extraordinary work on this case. we are also paired irs criminal investigations and other state and local partners for their work. i am proud of them. i will now turn the podium over to deputy attorney general monaco. >> thank you mr. attorney general and good afternoon everyone. today one of north america's largest banks pleaded guilty to

the most serious charges a financial institution can face. this case should serve as a warning and a reminder that we will hold corporate wrongdoers accountable no matter their size or stature. this case also highlights the critical importance of maintaining a culture of compliance and it offers a cautionary tale of how bad things can go without one. when you put your hard earned money in a, that bank should meet a very basic requirement. it should follow the law. for financial institutions that means among other things adhering to the bank secrecy act. this law is fundamental not only for protecting our financial system but also our national security. the bsa requires that tanks

maintain robust anti-money laundering programs, report suspicious activity and train employees to be the first line of defense against money laundering. despite one of the largest banks in the country, td bank failed to meet these requirements and violated the law. even as profits rose, the bank starved its compliance program of the resources it needed to obey the law. time and time again, td bank failed to meet its obligations day after day, year after year. the problems were so widespread and pervasive that it was only a matter of time before the bank's own employees could exploit these failures and engage in money-laundering themselves. and that's exactly what happened. as td bank admitted in its plea today, it's anti-money

laundering failures spend nearly a decade. things got so bad that five of the banks own employees participated in a scheme that laundered millions of dollars to columbia, resulting in felony convictions for individuals both inside and outside of the bank. what makes this even more troubling is that for years, td bank of its compliance failures. in 2013, federal regulators began penalizing the bank for the lack of money-laundering controls. but as the light continued blinking red, td bank could only see green. every bank compliance official in america should be reviewing today's charges as a case study of what not to do. and every bank ceo and board member should be doing the same. because if the business case for compliance wasn't clear before,

it should be now. the bank secrecy act includes a unique penalty provision. the ability to find a financial institution up to $500,000 for each day that it lacks a functional anti-money laundering program. the daily fine provision is rarely used. in fact, the has never before sought this maximum daily penalty against any financial institution. until now. financial penalty under today's resolution is based on td bank's failure to maintain an effective anti-money laundering program every single day from the beginning of 2014 to the end of october 2023. today's guilty plea and the resulting $1.8 billion penalty represents the largest penalty ever imposed under the banks secrecy act and it provides an

unmistakable lesson. crime doesn't pay and neither does floating compliance. this resolution also sets a new course for td bank. with today's guilty plea, td bank has agreed to tough new rules. it must overhaul its compliance program. it must retain an independent compliance monitor. it must report misconduct to the government and it must cooperate in our ongoing criminal investigations into the individuals responsible up and down the corporate ladder. the bank has begun its work and we will continue to hold its feet to the fire. we are putting down a clear marker on what we expect from financial institutions and the consequences for failure. and comes to compliance, there are only two options.

invest now or face severe consequences later. as i have said before, a corporate strategy that pursues profits at the expense of compliance isn't a path to riches, it's a path to federal prosecution. i want to thank the women and men of the justice department's criminal division, the u.s. attorney's office for the district of new jersey and the investigative partners joining us today for their continued work on this matter. with that i will pass it to the deputy secretary of the treasury. >> good afternoon. thank you. i'm glad to join the attorney general and deputy attorney general and the rest of you here today. the department of the treasury utilizes sanctions and the enforcement of our country's anti-money laundering laws to protect our national security from illicit actors.

from drug trafficking to combating russian aggression, the treasury department is committed to using all the tools available to us to protect the american people. we are proud of the public private partnership we have formed with the financial sector to protect our national security. the vast majority of financial institutions work hand-in-hand with the treasury department to keep our country and communities safe. td bank has done the exact opposite. for more than a decade through deliberate action and inaction, td bank failed to meet its core responsibility. it failed to implement or maintain a sufficient aml compliance program. it failed to monitor trillions of dollars in transactions each year, including those the bank new post to high risk for abuse. td bank failed to conduct

adequate due diligence on customers, ignoring glaring red flags. 80 bank failed ultimately -- td bank failed to live up to its responsibility to the american people. these systemic failures did not just create hypothetical vulnerabilities resulted in actual material harm to the american people and our communities. time and again unlike its peers, td bank prioritized growth and profits over complying with the law. the bank enabled drug trafficking. in one example, td bank facilitated 400 million dollars in transactions to launder money on behalf of criminals selling fentanyl and other deadly drugs that are poisoning our neighborhoods. in exchange for filing false or misleading reports on these transactions, td bank tellers

accepted gift as bribes. in another example, td bank failed to detect suspicious activities of one of its own employees whose accepting bribes in the name of opening accounts for show companies. that's why we are announcing the financial crimes enforcement network's 1.3 billion dollar penalty on td bank. the largest civil monetary penalty against a bank in the treasury department's history. in addition to this historic penalty, td bank has agreed to a four-year monitor to oversee its extensive remedial measures including end-to-end review of its aml program. it will also be required to provide missing suspicious activity reports and for the first time, additional accountability and data governance reviews to provide recommendations for changing td bank's culture of compliance.

together, these requirements hold td bank accountable for its agree just and willful disregard of the law and the real harm it caused to the american people. this action demonstrates that we are committed to holding individuals and institutions no matter their size accountable. let me end by thanking talented men and women of the investigation team and of course our partners here at the department of justice for their collaboration in the hard work to bring this criminal enterprise to an end and these criminals to justice. together we worked day and night to protect the national security of the united states and i'm grateful for all their efforts. i will turn it back over to my colleagues from the department of justice. >> thank you.

i'm principal deputy assistant attorney general and head of the criminal division. today we are announcing the guilty plea td bank, the 10th largest retail bank in the united states, for bank secrecy act violations and money-laundering conspiracy. over the course of a decade, td placed profits over compliance, prioritizing a flat cost paradigm that limited spending across the bank. including on the aml compliance program, despite growing risks while profits soared. the bank knew that it had pervasive and systemic deficiencies in its aml program, including a transaction monitoring system that remained stagnant over the course of 10 years despite warnings from regulators, consultants, even its own employees. aml employees joked that the banks failed aml system made td

an easy target and a convenient bank for bad actors. and they were right. tds failed aml compliance program crated vulnerabilities that criminals including its own employees used to launder money through the bank. all told, three large money-laundering networks, two prosecuted our partners in the district of new jersey and a third in the district of puerto rico, they laundered over $670 million through td. in one of those schemes, five bank insiders helped. these employees opened and maintained accounts for money-laundering networks. they provided dozens of atm cards at the launderers used to withdraw funds and columbia. shortly after the money was deposited in the united states. the insiders took kickbacks from

their work, sometimes using the very cards they used in order to take the cut. the laundering networks moved over $39 million in illicit funds. and that's why today td bank has pleaded guilty not only to violating the bank secrecy act but also to money-laundering conspiracy. because td bank's inadequate aml program allowed bank insiders to facilitate a significant money-laundering scheme. this resolution in addition to the historic daily bsa fine we have imposed sends a clear message to u.s. financial institutions. you are the first line of defense. when you criminally failed to protect your own bank from money-laundering, you put our financial system at risk. and we will hold you accountable. but it is never too late to do

the right thing. after td learned of our investigation, the bank provided strong cooperation. for example, td identified additional misconduct and provided evidence to the department. some of that helped advance our investigation of individuals including video surveillance footage that td provided after reviewing hundreds of hours of videotape. in other that was acquired only because td secured the workplaces of those involved in this conduct. td took steps on its own to hold its employees financially accountable. the bank plowed back bonuses including for its ceo and other executives, resulting in a dollar for dollar reduction of the banks find by approximately $2 million. and that's consistent with the criminal division's pilot program on compensation

infective's and clawbacks. under that pilot program as of today, 10 companies that have resolved with the criminal division have implemented compliance metrics in their compensation systems. but today's resolution marks the first time a company has committed to clawing back compensation prospectively. over the next few months, td will identify additional compensation it will claw back its employees. and if td succeeds in those clawbacks, the criminal division will credit those clawbacks against the fine. td has also started on the path to reform, beginning to remediate its compliance system, committing to additional compliance enhancements and agreeing to retain an independent compliance monitor. that monitor will closely assess tds compliance with our agreement while moving swiftly to ensure that td makes the

necessary reforms. after the close oversight of the department and the monitor, td can right the ship and while there is a long road ahead, today's resolution demonstrates that a company can be held accountable for serious crimes while also choosing a different path for the future and that's by accepting responsibility, cooperating with the department and successfully move its business forward in full compliance with the law. i want to thank our trial attorneys in the bank integrity unit, our partners in the district of new jersey along with our law enforcement partners at irs criminal investigations and yet. i will now turn it over to the u.s. attorney for the district of new jersey. >> good afternoon. i'm phillip salinger, united

states attorney for the district of new jersey. today td bank is pleading guilty in the district of new jersey for its staggering and pervasive anti-money laundering failures, which include permitting multiple major money-laundering networks to flourish and move hundreds of millions of dollars through td bank locations in new jersey and across the united states. despite its legal obligation to maintain an effective anti-money laundering program, td bank instead implemented a fundamentally flawed and outdated aml program that allowed for staggering money-laundering and other criminal activity to thrive at the bank. even though its business, risks, profits were increasing significantly, td held its compliance budget essentially flat year-over-year.

the bank categorically failed over time to update its transaction monitoring scenarios which are supposed to capture suspicious activity for further analysis. from 2014 to 2022, it added zero new scenarios, significantly contribute into an out dated, stale and holy and effective anti-money laundering program. further, banks of its size use automated transaction monitoring systems to meet their legal obligation to identify and report suspicious activity like the movement of drug money. td bank intentionally excluded common types of financial transactions from its automated transaction monitoring system. this meant for example td bank chose essentially not to monitor anyone using checks to commit crimes.

so while it nominally had a compliance program from january 2018 to april 2020 four, td bank failed to monitor approximately 92% of its total transactions, amounting to approximately 18.3 trillion dollars of transaction activity. additionally in april 2017, the bank began offering access to cell, which allowed customers to transfer money using mobile devices. but td bank affectively created no way to monitor this activity. so that for example a drug trafficker could transfer thousands of dollars a month without being flagged. td bank's stunningly widespread failures allowed criminal proceeds to flow through td bank. for example, a major

money-laundering known to bank employees as david laundered more than $470 million through td bank. he bribed td bank employees with more than 50 $7,000 in gift cards and on a nearly daily basis he brazenly dumped piles of cash at td bank counters which he used to conduct transactions in other people's names. another network laundered 100 $20 million in illicit funds through td bank which the banks deficient aml program failed to identify as suspicious. separately, five td bank employees helped facilitate major money-laundering activities from inside the bank. for example, a new jersey-based bank employee allegedly in

exchange for bribes facilitated money-laundering efforts to use atm withdrawals to move tens of millions of dollars from the united states to columbia for drug traffickers. td bank's anti-money laundering failures were well known at every level of the bank. the bank knew it was significantly under spending on compliance year after year. the bank knew it wasn't monitoring huge swaths of banking activity and it knew that millions of dollars were being funneled through td bank accounts from the u.s. to columbia using a teams. it knew that peer-to-peer money transfers went essentially on monitor. it knew that employees had repeatedly identified the need for new transaction monitoring scenarios to adequately capture money-laundering and other risks the bank faced.

and it adopted zero changes to really fit any of these massive problems. repeatedly prioritizing profits and the convenience over meeting its legal obligations. it's no wonder that the motto of america's most convenient bank was used as a joke among employees to describe td bank being convenient for criminals. i want to credit all of the extraordinary work done on this case by the prosecution team including marcoux, angelica and our partners at irs criminal investigations, if dic oig and the dea. thank you.

>> he talked a lot about individual accountability. and i was hoping you might be able to elaborate on why we are not saying more than two people charged especially when there are five insiders in the columbia scheme. i'm going to shoot my shot on this off-topic and ask you, this week you were an afghan citizen for plotting a threat on election day in the name of isis. >> i will answer your off-topic, but cannot answer your on-topic first. we have an ongoing investigation. we now have the assistance of the cooperation of the bank. i can't comment on the ongoing investigation but it is continuing aggressively and we do expect to see more prosecutions. second question started on

terrorism. >> i was wondering if you could talk about the current threat from isis right now and if you are concerned about an election day threat. >> we have been warning for quite some time now that we are in a heightened threat environment from maligned foreign actors including in particular isis. the investigation that resulted in arrests two days ago was an extraordinary effort by the fbi and the criminal division in the u.s. attorney's office to disrupt the cloth and prosecute the people responsible. we will continue to aggressively investigate, deter, disrupt and prosecute any efforts to interfere with our elections and the right of the american people to cast a ballot, of eligible voters to cast a ballot that counts.

>> do you expect potential other prosecutions to actually involve other entities aside from td bank? is it fair to say doj is looking at other institutions that might have been caught up in the scheme and in terms of individuals being prosecuted, when you say we should expect more prosecutions, it does potentially target other. >> general response to this kind of question is we don't comment on ongoing investigations but i was indicating that we would expect future cases against individuals. i can't comment any further than that. >> can you talk about the fentanyl aspect of why this happened.

we have heard about the cartels, i have had mexican cartels, can somebody here speak plainly about was fentanyl involved and journeys cartels or chinese money-laundering, it's a little confusing. >> i thought we were speaking plainly. could you make people understand exactly? >> we'll start with deputy secretary of the treasury and then the head of the criminal division. >> as part of our investigation into the activities of td bank, we found that when he was being moved by a criminal known as david who was moving money on behalf of, drug money. some of that money was related to fentanyl. and our goal was to disrupt that had as part of the penalty that we imposed, we made that -- we

both allege that and we work for the company to make sure that doing forward to make sure that type of activity wouldn't happen in the future. >> on the cartels were mexican cartels working with chinese money? >> i will let you rely on the documents. fundamentally they were using the u.s. financial system to move money from drugs being sold including fentanyl. the normal scheme for this is oftentimes the precursor chemicals will come from china and then go into mexico to create those drugs. the financial are the reverse. what we have done with regard to td bank is taken apart some of those flows. as you have seen, we have taken a number of actions to go after fentanyl, many of them including sanctions. what we're doing here is something that banks do with us on a regular basis through

exchanges and other networks to try and shut down the financial flows. what we found was this individual was working closely with the number of td bank employees to barge living -- depositing large amounts of cash. we have taken apart that network and are committed to doing that going forward. >> i just was checking on. >> c-span's washington journal, our live forum involving you to discuss the latest issues in got, politics and public policy. from washington and across the country. sunday morning we'll talk about

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her republican opponent donald trump for not releasing his own records. she also mentioned reports of former chief of staf reports general mark milley's comments on mr. trump being unstable and then previewed her trip to north carolina. vice pres. harris hi, guys. i released my medical records today. i appreciate you. [laughter]

so today i released my medical records as has, i believe, every candidate for president of the united states except donald trump in this election cycle and it's just a further example of his lack of transparency and on top of his unwillingness to debate again, his unwillingness to do an interview with "60 minutes," which, again, is part of the norm of what anyone running for president of the united states does and i think it's obvious that his team at least does not want the american people to see everything about who he is. and put that on top of even the most recent reports of general milley, one of the people who worked the closest with donald trump referring to him as being unstable and it is clear to me that he and his team do not wants the american people to really see what it is that he is

doing and whether or not he actually is felt to do the job of being president of the united states. so -- >> you obviously don't have insight into what his health is but from watching him, do you think he's fit for offers? vice pres. harris i won't give you a medical analysis of his fitness but on every other level when it comes to what we expect from a president of the united states having the ability to exercise good judgment as commandser in chief and as the leader of this great country, he knows that he does not have the ability to do the job. he is unfit to do the option. he talks at his rallies about fictional characters. he constantly is in a state of grievance about himself. he has no plans for the northwestern people and he mixes things up on a full time basis with the intention to make

people afraid, too make people fear in a way that will compel them to believe that somehow he is the savior when, in fact, he is quite unfit to do the job. >> the discussion he had about president biden's mental acutey in particular. what do you think about president trump's meantal acuity? vice pres. harris i invite the public to watch his rallies and be the decision maker on his acuity and you will see in his rallies how he goes off on tangents. how he is not focused on the needs of the american people with solutions to issues that concern them the most. >> can you give us a sense of what you want to do in north carolina this weekend and broadly, the race is very tight still. democrats are getting nevertheless and anxious. what's your message to them?

vice pres. harris so, i am looking very forward to returning to north carolina. i've been spending a lot of time there, both during this election cycle but as vice president. i look forward to talking with the people of north carolina on a number of levels. first and foremost to see how they're doing in the wake of the hurricane. how they are thinking about the election and what they need. i'll be having discussions with voters and folks who are on the ground there and listening to them but also talking about my plans for what we're going to do to create an opportunity economy, what we're going to do to bring down the cost of groceries. what we are going to do to invest in small businesses and the future of americans. that's what i'll be talking to them about -- nor isn't -- there's no question, i say it at

my rallies. this is a tight race. and that's why i'm out here and will continue for the next 24 days to be traveling around our country talking with folks about the issues that matter most to them and offering to them what i believe to be solutions to the challenges that they are facing. i'm going to be talking with them continuously about how, for example, some of the most respected economists in the country, whether they be the 16 nobody balloters or goldman sachs refer to my policies that will strengthen america's economy as' posed to donald trump's policies which can weaken america's economy. i'll be talking about i have the support of republicans who worked with both presidents bush, mitt romney, john mccain and donald trump supporting my candidacy buzz they believe that is ever it is important to put

country above party. donald trump has been clear he would terminate the constitution of the united states and be a dictator on day one. this is a tight race but the choice is clear. the voters have a choice between what we were offering and to look at the future of america and invest in the american people or donald trump who is constantly trying to fake us backward. thank you.

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>> suppos c-span as a public service along with these other television providers giving awe front row seat to democracy. >> the four candidates running for governor in missouri participated in a debate. the candidates also gave their points of view on abortion and immigration. the cook report gave missouri's race for governor a solid republican rating. the detective was hosted by the missouri press association. >> a few instructions before we get started here. welcome to the missouri press association candidates forum. i'd like to begin by intrusion our participants and going over a few rules of the detective. earlier today candidates drew numbers to determine the number in making opening remarks.

they have arranged on stage in that order. closest to me, democrat quaid. republican mike kehoe. libertarian, bill slantz and guillen party can't paul lehmann. i will ask the first question and then questions from our analysts. alvin rhodes of the st. louis american, cries teen temple and candidates will be one minute to answer each question. after each have had a turn, i will decide whether any rebuttal time is necessary. if so candidates will receive an additional 30 seconds. if candidates fail to answer a question, i also reserve the right to ask them to try again during the rebuttal time.

first question will go to the first candidate on my left. the seconds question will begin with the seconds candidate and so forth and closing remarks will be delivereds in reverse order. signs will be held up showing the time remaining during remarks. candidates, please adhere to the stop sign and audience, please holds your applause until today's event is over. with that, let's begin. crystal quaid, you may deliver your opening statement. >> thank you, good afternoon, everybody. first, thank you to the missouri press association for hosting us and thank you to my fellow candidates for being here. i've represented springfield and jefferson for the last six years. missouri ranks last in public

education framed funding and the state of missouri can't pay its childcare tax on time. in 2013 i told my personal story of abuse on the house floor, warning what would happen when they passed the ban of abortion in our country. now there's a bill on the books that does not have exceptions for a 1-year-olds family member of rape. i will uphold it will of voters. i will protect your freedom. >> mike kehoe? >> thank you as well to the move press association and the candidates who were willing to put their name on the ballot. i think most of you know my story. i was born to a single mother, the youngest of six kids. my brother and

sisters and i did odd jocks. i had a family of love, of faith and one that promoted hard work and i lived in a country and a statement where you start doesn't necessarily determine where you finish in life. i think all missourians should be able to live the american dream no matter their balk or neighborhood. that's why i've supported missouri technical training to make sure they're trained for the high-paying jobs. that's why i've trieded to leads efforts to reduce burden emso many sepp regulation and reds tape. i think missouri's fundamental responsibility is that we provide safe neighborhoods and that will be what we do day one by investing from the police. >> bill slantz? >> barn and thank you to the

missouri perez association and my fellow candidates on dais up here. i'm bill slantz, your libertarian candidate for governor. i want to tell you just a little bit of story here. imagine yourselves riding down the road, you're driving your roads into a new territory, a city you've never been in before. you turn the radio down, you sit up in your seats and you starts paying much closer attention to what's going on around you. as libertarians and i know all of you are libertarians out there. most of us just don't know it. i'm asking you to stop letting the government drive. sit up in your seats, pay attention to what's going on and let's limit the government to its most basic functions. thank you. >> paul lehmann? >> i'm paul lehmann. i was born and raised in southeast missouri.

and i have a family of eight children. i have two children of my own and two -- three grands children. i was caughted at southeast missouri state university with a b.s. in education and then from eaten thee lodge --' ten theological seminary in stells with a master of divinity degree so i'm an ordaineds minister. i have educational appearance and ministerial experience and i want to run for governor to be able to be the first green governor of the state of missouri. there's lots of things that, are a big -- not elephants but the big gorilla in the room is the needs for a green economy. >> candidates, thank you for those opening statements. we will now proceeds to

questions and i'll ask the first one. missouri law currently prohibits abortion except 234 cases of medical emergency issue. a proposed constitutional amendment on november ballot would create a right to abortion. do osmates this amendment? crystal quade, you're first. >> i absolutely do support it. i mentioned in my opening, the law that we have right now is the most extreme in the entire country, without exceptions for rape or incest. i have received phone calls from women who have gone to doctor's offices during a miscarriage situation and sent home saying they're not close enough to death yet. doctors are scareeds to go to prison. while my opponents recently said

he is willing to ends his own campaign to mike sure the bill goes down. >> mike kehoe? >> amendment three i think could be one of the most harmful constitutional amendments i've ever seen on the ballots. i will do all i can to see that amendment three is defeated. my wife and i are the parents of four kids and i recently found out we're about to be grands parents. i think that missourians and elected officials' number one thing is to protect the lives of those who can't stands for themselves. this law goes way too far. it's very extreme. i think there's a lot of problems in this wording of the ballot where it doesn't provide appropriate protections to women, especially in the case of liability if there's a medical emergency issue. i believe in law has gone too

far. it love to support other ways for families to grow, including adoption, and support pregnancy resource centers across our state to take care of our ladies across the state. >> bill slantz? >> i'm personally opposeeds to abortion quite dramatically. however, this is not a government decision. this is not something that should be decided over a one size fits all for everybody. it's unique to each individual out there will. it's a ueck and individual decision to make. abortion, like ends of life decisions, should be done with the counsel of your most trusted person, doctor, yourself, it's a very personal decision and government should stay out of that. having said, that there

should be no government funding for amendments at all. periods. >> paul lehmann? >> the green parties has been supportive of women's rights since tay one, since roe haven't wade and have championed that openly and recently only have other parties stepeds up to endorse that. my position on that is that people don't know what the trauma that women undergo, those who try to make that decision about whether or not to have abortion so we should recognize that as government that we have no business in the medical lives of individuals until viability. so i strongly endorse that measure so that we can have some kinds of orders and some kinds of justice for women who are

facing these very difficult decisions. >> thank you. our next question will come from alvin and it will go first to mike kehoe. >> one of our november ballot measures would raise missouri's minimum wage to $134 : 70 an hour next year and $15 an hour in 20206 with annual inflation adjustments in following years. it also would require paid sick leave. do you support this measure? >> as someone who's createeds 3500 jobs over the 35-year periods i've been in business. i would not be able to supports the minimum wage petition. i believe that government should not be setting wages for people. i think the academy and government should. when we affect main mum wages, he hurts those we hope to help

the most. it will race the cost of living. you take jobs away so you creeds this false economy where kids don't have a job and the products of people whoing buy them can't address it the most. we needs to let businesses sets the wage and that's what i any works best. getting the government involved in this does not work. the economy can set the prices. >> bill slantz? >> i agree with most of that. i oppose a minimum wage absolutely. entry level jocks are not meant to be supporting of one's family. entry level job is a way to learn a skill, a way to learn -- to finds your way into the work play. minimum wage, believe it or not, was actually invented to oppress

those who were not quaffeds -- qualified to -- not in the unions or the trades people. they want today's keep lower wage earners out of the workforce so this is an upsides down, backwards way of looking at things. i strongly oppose minimum wage of any kinds. >> paul lehmann? >> i support the minimum wage amendment. in fact, the green party puts forth a $25 minimum wage goal and this is just partly on the way in a states that we live in. people needs to be compensated for what they do. it's hard work for these low-income people. working poor and then we want to suppress them even more by not allowing them a decent minimum floor for their wages. so i strongly support this and hope that we can use this as a

platform for doing it even more to support poor in our economy. this goes across the board. it goes into the agricultural world as well and where we need to upgrade this -- do a kind of complete overhaul of our agricultural system. >> crystal quade? >> we've heard on this stage that minimum wage jobs are entry level jocks and just for kids. we have so many working minimum wage jobs to get by because they can't finds goods high-paying jobs in the state of missouri. the earned sick leave, as a working parents myself i understand what it means when my

kid gets sick and i have to call in and wonder what that means for my job and security. prior to becoming a legislator. i've had good jobs but not everyone has that flexibility. a man karl: sick leave wage is lull absolutely what we need and we should be striverring for that. >> christine? >> a november ballot measure was legalize sports betting in missouri. do you support this amendment? why or why not? >> bill? >> thank you,ies teen. i do support sports betting in missouri. why not? it's not going to hurt anybody. what i oppose is putting all these regulations on sports betsing which only helps the big guys. the sports casinos and major entities and doesn't let the mom and pop hoops go in there. if you're going to allow sports

betsing and only allow the major casinos doing it. you'll still have your bookies out there are i'm greatly offended that up sugarcoat the whole sports betting with the proceeds going to education. i think that's a nonsense idea, a bad way of getting a bad tasting pill town your throat but sports betting certainly should be legalized, no doubt. >> paul lehmann? >> i oppose that proposal. when i grew up, sports betting or gambling of any kinds was a sin and the funds mentalist churches listed that as one of their many sins and now we've come to a pint where we want to endorse that kinds of activity by the state, by the government.

so it guys against the basic will of the people in the past and also the use of those funds for education narc is totally erroneous and deceptive because that money would go into the education funds and as we know what the legislature will do they'll say oh, we have all this money so we don't need to budgets any. the promise that that will improve education or increase it is a farce and not true. >> crystal quade? >> i do support this initiative or measure. this is gun, again, that i wish all-star has been able to get this done appropriately. we've seen for years that the status quo and jefferson city are in gridlock in fighting with each other instead of actually moving legislation through. absolutely we needs to be partnering it with conversations

around addiction and funding for mental health services. but the reality is that we have currently right now people in the state of missouri who are crossing the border in kansas or st. louis. if you're driving over there >> you can see them pull over on the sides of the road, placing their belts and driving home. that is revenue we're missing outs on. we do have a shortage in our state for things liar funding education and mental health care. so i do support this measure and money that will come in from that. >> mike kehoe? >> all of our surrounding states already have sports gambling. -- betting. we're sitting in an area that does not have it so if you want to be competitive with your surrounding states, people are driving across the state line placing these bets. i think this is something that is time for mohr. i'm not a fan of gambling and i

don't bet on games but enjoyable it's a tool we needs for missouri. i've been a big fan of making sure our public education gets funded and should i be elected governor, i'll be sure that that are does not move. we have some gems in our staff called major league sports teams and this would be something thatted help us ensure those teams potentially stay in the state of missouri. >> thank you, our next question from lucas and first to paul lehmann. lucas? >> thank you. missouri's budgets for the current fiscal year is around $50 million. that's about double it was a decades ago. what do you think about the size of missouri's budgets or any areas you'd like to cut or areas

you'd like to spend more? >> paul? >> thank you. >> hello, southeast missouri. i don't know the details of that but what i know in general is that the budgets is probably not big enough because we have an education system that is broken and underfunded. we've an agricultural system that -- or i should say, people living in rural areas who don't have medical care and hospitals are leading the country no the rural areas and leaving people stranded. we have coach poverty in the u.s. the kids in any local school at fayette. half of them have to take free lunches. the money needs to be

reallocated, for the national guard to be sent to texas where they twiddle their thumbs while they're there and use that money for education and environmental transition. >> crystal quade? >> with our budget being the largest it's been and continuing to grow, i know folks are very frustrated. when we rank near body in everything. we have parts of our state is that still don't have access to broadband internet. we have streets and bridges columnbling. we are not balancing our bunt well. i like to call our budget a northerly document or at least it should -- and we should be investing in people. not putting in pork special interests for whatever legislature is trying to get something for their them town. >> mike kehoe?

>> i've been mound to be a part of the budget process and it has been going and it's grown too much. but we're going to see tougher times on the horizon and i show we're going to want somebody in the governor's office who know what hard decisions are about. as we go edward, we have to make sure that somebody is ready to make a decision on hugh the budget gets crafted as we go forward. it's changed from most of all, federal resources that came after the economy criticize. i'm a big man fan of making sure businesses can survive and grow. but the budgets is going to be tough the next couple of years and i would suggest you'll want somebody from to who understands what a budget is about and how to california this going forward.

>> bill slantz? >> i see this very differently. i think no budget should be cut in half, if note more. first, in-person prompt tax and let's ends the statement income tax in missouri. you cutt 50 about of the budget if you stop fare fumedded education. it's not working. you can throw more money at it, it still can't isn't going to work. mechanic it with your local communities. taxpayer if you believedded social services also could be completely eliminated. you have to manage these things locally and let the local communities take care of their situation things -- for need be, if you have to fill the coffers up, let's do it with a usage tax. we don't need an income tax or

personal property texas. >> our next question be the alvin. and first to crystal quade. alvin? >> there's a large focus nationally about immigration and our nation's southern border. as a governor, are there any topics that you should ever it oppose or support? >> the conversation around immigration right now in our country is real and i know that so many missourians are really nervous about the rise in crime. we hare a lot about the parallels with drug increase and trafficking in missouri. as governor, the first thing i would do is work with our federal colleagues. i would work with our federal delegation to lean desmine get

something done. i want to talk about what we're doing to keep our communities safe, going to the conversation they previously mention is the our shortage of law enforcement officers. city of st. louis is down 300 officers. we recently had an entire division shut down because they had no one who would come work forget -- as governor, my focus will be right here on missouri. >> mike kehoe? >> immigration is the number one conversation i have along with crime as he travel the state and neat movians. it's absolutely out of control. missouri has an estimated 77,000 illegal immigrants and just in 2023 alone. many spent over glover 4960 million on it legal immigrants. that money could have gone to our testify teachers or immigrants or back to our

chinese. i went of went to the border twice. i'm the only candidate i believe that's probably been down thank you, your honor twice. our men and women, national guard, they are helping at the order. in mcallen, texas in one year alone they saw so much fentanyl coming across the border. we have need the stop the drugs and the gangs that are coming across the boarders. they're hurting missourians and hurting massachusetts eyewitness families. >> bill slantz? >> everyone in this room is a de cents ant of immigrants. i welcome all immigrants. all i ask is that you sign the guest book on your way in. immigrants provide a tremendous amount of labor and skill that the state needs. sign the guest book. we want to know who you are, what you're doing and why you're

here. it willed -- it would eliminate all taxpayer pounds immigrants. no housing no, foods, no support, no essential service services for an immigrants coming in without any down takes or anything at all. so let them support themselves and welcome all. thank you. >> paul lehmann? >> there are the immigrants, contemporary to their being an suspense on the government, they are an asset. i've just read an article that says immigrants produce $6.8 million of income for the state and that they pay taxes also. whether documented or undocumented. their employer the paying taxes through them. the problem at the border is the

bottleneck of processing. we need to -- our green party candidate jill stein would create that he for the processing process and in missouri, we would also implement programs to integrate the immigrants who are already here and to try to teach them english. to help them with their social programs and bring them out of the shadow and make them a full partner in our great economy. >> christine? >> no currently uses tax credits as an incentive for a lot of things. for specific businesses to expand, to renovate historic buildings, develop affordable housing. these tax credits collectively subtracted 669 million dollars

from missouri's treasury in 2023. do you believe changes are needed for missouri's tax credit structure? if so, what would you change? >> thank you for the question. tax credits need to be looked at to make sure they're giving a good return on investment to missourians. we have several tax credit programs that don't do that. however, we have some that really do that well. as a business person looks at any kind of program they have within their business. you have to make sure it's something working for missouri citizens and something that we couldn't go without. for instance, our housing development corporation. when ronald reagan was president, he said the federal government cannot build housing, which they can't so they turned it over to a private development where we can use tax credits to get housing in our communities. we're worked hard to get that to work. raising the responsibilities for the developer and ensuring

missourians get a good return on our investment but there are other programs that need to be looked at and revamped and i would love to try to do that so we make sure the right ones are going out to the right people. >> bill slantz? >> my father always said less is more. i would like to end tax credits. >> paul lehmann? >> i think tax credits are good. they're important to help people with their struggling to make ends meet, to make the dollar go farther. however, often these are extended to for working poor who don't even pay taxes so there's no insentive or no, benefit to those people. so what needs to happen is a

funds men shift and change in the way we do business in our state so we can support the working poor and lift up the middle class as well. >> crystal quade? >> i do support those tax credits. we're sitting in the very district that utilizes historic tax credits all the time. as something who served on the budget committee in our state legislature, i would like to me for oversight as mentioned to make sure that they're goods investments benefiting our state but i want to have an even bigger conversation about tax credits so who they're helping and how we can expand on tax credits from everyday missourians. one of the things i hear is the problem of finding affordable and acceptable chidi care and the enormous suspense for elder care. one tax credit i would like to

support is those for early childhood education and tax credits for elder care. so many of our feels are stuck in the middle. they have a kiddo in day care and are also taking care of their aging parents. we've been putting everyday americans at the forefront of these discussions. >> thank you, the next question will come from lucas and go first to bill slantz. lucas? >> while we're on the tax discussion, missouri's individual income tax rate is set toe decline to 4.7% in january, marking the fourth straight year of tax cuts. do you support further tax cuts to missouri's income tax rates or other taxes such as sales or property taxes? if so do you have a plan tooff set a portion of the lost tax revenues? >> bill slantz? >> 4.7 is a good number to start with but bringing it down to stereo is a much better number. my plan, if you need to fill

coffers with some kind of money will be on use tax. either with pre-sales tax or fuel tax but this amount of increase in sales in use tax would be very small. a small portion of that increase but in does, it actually puts services that missouri is providing, it puts that directly in that space so your fuel tax is going to pave the highway and help build the infrastructure and sales tax will take care of the rest of the budgets. tonight know if i answered your question but that's how i'd try to magna. take that 4.7 down to zero. >> paul lehmann? >> 4.7 doesn't sound like very much when you're making $100,000 or $1 million.

people can live very nicely on the income left after paying their taxes. we need to have a graduated income tax. i'm not familiar with the details so that the wealthy in our state, and we have a lot of them, can pay more of their fair share. in the biblical analogy you have the 10 talents, the five talents, two talents, one talent parable. they often forget that the 10-attendant person is paying back 10 talents whereas the one talent person is paying back one. there needs to be a shift in taxation and another way to provide this is to provide universal health care. we need to adopt that so that people have more income and the wealthy can support that opportunity to have equal access

to health care. >> crystal quade? >> as governor i want to have a real conversation around a fair tax structure. the top tax brackets right now in missouri, if you make $8,500 a year. you're paying the same exact tax rate as a millionaire. we've seen tax cuts, income tax cuts for corporations and for the wealthiest in missouri. i want to have conversations around tax credits that impact everyday working class folks. conversations around getting rid of the food tax. when i go shopping for any family, i see the increased cost of buying groceries every day is a real issue for folks. around hygiene and diapers. things impacting everyday missourians and a real conversation around the tax structure in our state so that

the wealthiest pay their fair share. >> mike kehoe? >> this is a conversation that we have constantly about what's the appropriate structure? i believe there should be zero income tax but you have to do it responsibly, to a point where you're not affecting essential services and education and when i tell people that story they're like how is that possible? five years ago we were apt 6% and now we're about to be at 3 4*.% but you haven't seen any essential cuts in services is. most importantly, i believe missourians can spend their money way better than any elected officials could spend it. i believe putting money in their pocket is much more essential and last but not least, when it comes to economic talent and you want us to compete as a state.

as your governor when you go to compete for businesses to move here or existing business to expand. i need to be able to have the same tools in the tool box as texas, there and other states do. that's the way we grow our economy and provide opportunities for missourians. >> the next question from alvin and first to paul lehmann. alvin? >> missouri generally predicts local governments from enacting their own firearms restrictions. should the states give better authority to support their own policies? should there be a longer waiting periods to purchase gun saves and trigger locks? >> paul lame season >> that should be, in a sense, a separate issue as far as state regulations of firearms but on

the local level, the problem that struck me is about local control. we've gone the wrong way about taking away local control on various issues like whether or not they want a -- in their backyard, they're not allowed to do that or to determine the budget for policing in kansas city. that's another avenue of taking local control away from the local community and as was said here just a minute ago, missourians know how to take care themselves and they don't needs the state to dictate to them what they can and can't do on a local level so i believe that there needs to be an increased effort to control firearms, to ban assault weapons would be a good start and -- ask then do a great background

check. >> crystal quade? >> i grew up in rural southeast missouri so i understand first hands need for firearms when you have a copperhead coming after your thickens but i also understand the real conversations we needs tock having in missouri. i've talked to law enforcement officers and asked them what do you need to be successful? they say access to firearms -- a school shooting in which people died. that family reached out to law enforcement multiple times. they wants those guns to be taken away, just trailer while they were ability to keep that child safe and get them the help they needed. law enforcement could not actively go in and do their jobs and because of that we had people die. on the conversation on local control, of course. what's going on where i grew up

and demps than what's going on in intercity st. louis. working with parents and their local municipalities. >> one of the biggest rights we as citizen of this country is our civil rights. i grew up in st. louis. there were the put mutt will gangs literally right outside of our house. none of those folks carrying weapons then or today went to the store to purchase them so every time we put restrictions on a citizens second amendment rights we hurt them. we need to make sure we work with existing laws and support our police to reduce crime, improve mental health and make sure we're doing the right thing to take the criminals off the street and not allow them to be

there to acquire these weapons. second amendment rights is always i'll be sure to work on and protect nose rights for everyone across this country. >> bill slantz? >> i agree. second amendment rights should not be infringed. local gun law, if you're traveling from county to county and the law is different from one county to the next. what's going to happen to the gun? that community says yes, the other community says no. so i can drive across down lines. i can't agree to any gun control in that way. mike is absolutely right. criminals to not guy guns from stores. law-abiding citizens register them. which i don't agree with that. but i see no purpose for gun control at all. >> the next question comes from christine. christine?

>> virtually every governor in every state talks about the importance of good jocks for resident dent. hotched you encourage economic development for missouri? are there particular sectors or types of jobs that you would them >> absolutely, goods jocks is one of the most important things that a governor can do but the reality is that i think as a state we needs to understand that not everybody needs a four-year degree ask not everybody wants to go to college so i want to make sure we have good pathways to goods paying jobs that provide good benefits. partnering with businesses and colleges. when we talk to business owners we ask them what do you needs in a trained work took and work towards that. but what's important is things like infrastructure, access to internet and health care. there are places in the state

without access to broadband right now. there are places in the state of missouri where folks drive almost an hour to get to an emergency room so when you're a small business owner and trying to recruit someone in rural parts of your states and you tell them we don't have adequate health care, and you might not have internet for your teenager, they're not going to want to go there to work for you. >> the several business i own with a lot of people's help. so workforce and make sure people have an opportunity is essential. over 60% of missourians do not attends a college or university. we have some great colleges and universities including here in springfield and across the state. improving career and technical education opportunities across the state is vical to me. working with labor and other

cork organizations that have incredible training programs to put people on the job and get them in a nice, high-paying skilled wage is similar important. putting more money in missourians' pockets always results in a good outcome and i believe with my experience of creating jobs across the state, we'll be the jobs leadser should i be elected governor. >> bill slantz? >> i agree with mike. california, connecticut, massachusetts. companies are flying out of those states at a massive rates because of high tax rates. you wants to creates goods jobs here in missouri. get rid of the business income tack. get rid of the business tax, periods. let businesses use their proceeds to train and pay employees. this is the way to get goods jobs in missouri. get rid of any business tax.

you'll see the jobs come. >> paul lehmann? >> of course you'll see good jocks but we need to stop the slides away from that so that when people talk about creating jobs they're usually talking about low-income, low-wage jobs that are paid sometimes minimum wage or a little above that and not a living wage, which would be more like $25 an hour and that's even low. so in the farming sector, which i have a special interest this, the farmers are leaving the lands because they're not getting the money for their labor. proper labor and that's because of these industrial agriculture cultural complex that's -- agriculture complex that's driving farmers off the lands and preventing them from growing. we talk about regulation. small businesses are overregulated so that they can't function and if we had the

universal health care, that would with one thing that they wouldn't have to worry about in their efforts. >> the next question will come from lucas and go first to mike key he. >> it seems there's been an increase in online threats made by juveniles against other students in schools, in some cases, businesses. what, if anything, do you think should be done about this coincidentally i had a long conversation with the sheriff from coal co. last night about this very issue. we are struggling right now with juvenile officers across the state in making sure they are and the right position, and we need to make sure we have access to them, because should a young person go online and make some sort of threat, the local law enforcement can pick the person up, but then they get turned over to the juvenile officer. we need to work with courts and lawmakers to make sure we have different