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u.s. senate race and they participate in a debate hosted by kay abc-tv in los angeles. the nonpartisan cook political report with amy walter rates this race as solid democrats. this is about an hour. moderator: if elected, would you take any action regarding gun legislation and if so what would that be? mr. garvey i believe in the constitution and the second amendment. i believe it will never be overturned nor should we attempt to overturn that. i do have sympathy for all of those that may have been victims of shootings but i think that the most important thing is a stringent background check. it goes much deeper than it does today in order to preserve the integrity of the second amendment and to be able to provide for people to defend themselves. rep. schiff: first of all, mark, thank you to you and abc for hosting the debate tonight and

mr. garvey, good to see you as well. we are meeting at a precarious moment in california history where it is dodgers one and padres one. california hadn't are struggling -- californians are struggling to get by with food cost and rent cost and our democracy is struggling. we want someone that wants to be a dictator from day one. the rights of millions of women have been taken away. we need leaders that can stand up to bullies and that can stand up to the nra. i would support a ban. and i support extended and universal background checks. i would support a ban on extended ammunition clips. mr. garvey was asked a few weeks ago if he would support any gun control measure and he said no.

californians want a leader like dianne feinstein that will stand up to the nra. moderator: last week temperatures in the bay area were 30 degrees above normal. san francisco hit 97 degrees. that is the highest october temperature in some 30 years. these conditions have become more common across california and they increase the threat of wildfires. what specific policies would you push to make our state more resilient to climate change and devastating wildfires and other disasters? rep. schiff: i have been meeting with people around the state that can't get insurance for their homes or businesses because of the threat of fire. communities that have been wiped out and lives lost. we have had tragic accidents recently involving california firefighters and the loss of life has been terrible. there are a number of steps that we can take to address the crisis. we have to address climate

change. we have to aggressively incentivize renewable energy, move us away from fossil fuels which are causing the planet to heat up and setting states like california on fire. i disagree with mr. garvey who supports opening the oil spigots. we also need to use technology to fight fires. as chair of the intelligence committee i got funding to use overhead assets to identify incipient blazes so that we could put them out before they spread. i also worked to allow nighttime helicopter water drops. moderator: climate change. mr. garvey: let me say this first, mr. schiff has been a congressman for 24 years and we have debated over 3 -- how prior to this. over these 24 hours the policies he will talk about tonight -- he

has not been able to do anything about it. 24 euros addressing existential problems in this country and never being able to cure the problems and that is why the people of the state are standing up saying it is time for a change. in a federal position like the u.s. senate as we work to clear out the brush -- i was just up in northern california at the burke fire and saw the devastation -- what can happen and what could happen. he never has an answer. moderator: your question for mr. garvey. moderator: california leads the nation when it comes to access to reproductive health care. we have laws that protect non-california residents that come to our state to seek an abortion.

please explain your position on a woman's basic rights on an abortion and whether you would support a federal ban if it comes before the senate. mr. garvey: i said this on day one almost a year ago on october 10. as the next senator from california i pledge to voice californians and they have a constitutional bill for abortion and i pledge to support that. now, i am a catholic and i believe in life and i believe in life at conception and i believe god freeze a soul into these fetuses so i'm steadfast on my policies in terms of abortion and my pledge to support the people of california. -- the people that come to california. rep. schiff: reproductive freedom is a human right. it should not be denied to californians or women. i'm going to fight as i have in

the past for a national right to abortion law so women make reproduction decisions. we've seen so many cases where women have had to go from one state to another deceit emergency care and some have died along the way. californians are expecting and their senator someone that will fight for reproductive freedom. not someone like mr. garvey who said he supported the decision to overturn roe v. wade, someone that supports states bands on abortions. if my colleague was listening to the voices of californians it is clear, californians want a national right to abortion freedom. mr. garvey: he believes in deconstructing the constitution. he believes democracy is about

packing the court. about downplaying the second amendment. constantly, what people of california have told me is that they believe in the constitution and they don't want it desecrated or torn down. they want someone to stand up for the fundamental beliefs of the country. rep. schiff: i don't know what deconstructing the concentrated -- the constitution means but i am for reproductive freedom and you are not. and californians deserve better than that. they don't deserve a maga mini me in a baseball uniform. moderator: good evening, gentlemen. one year ago this week hamas terrorists has occurred nearly 1200 people in israel and since then thousands of palestinians have been killed. lebanon is under attack and iran

is firing missiles into israel. what plan if any do you support to bring peace to a region that has been unsettled for nearly 100 years? rep. schiff: yesterday was the anniversary of the terrorist attack by hamas that took the lives of 1200 innocent people including americans. israelis were raped, murdered, of ducted and many remain as a hostage. iran is using its proxies and now firing directly on israel. the u.s. needs to continue to support its ally, israel, in its right to defend itself. no nationstate can go through that kind of attack and not defend itself. and what's more we cannot have a situation where hamas controls gaza or threatens the lives of israelis, americans and others. we need to support israel but we also need to make sure we are doing all we can do multiple --

two ultimately bring about a two state solution. to me that is the only lasting solution that will bring peace to the region and tragically, hamas for a time has killed that idea in israel and elsewhere. mr. garvey: i said from the beginning that i support israel, yesterday, today and tomorrow. i will stand by them for all their needs at any time. but i could never tell them they cannot protect their sovereignty. i went to israel. i've been there during this war. i went to the kibbutz where the devastation and genocide began. i went to the music festival where 350 young men and women were killed and devastated there. i went to a hostage families home. guy is still a hostage. we need to get the hostages back.

and two administrations, obama and biden, this man voted for significant packages of billions of dollars to iran. why? to pander to iran? absolutely. let's not be nice to iran. it builds an arsenal and created seven proxies threatening the middle east. we need to step up and not -- there will never be a tuesday solution because one will try to decimate the other. moderator: your time has expired. moderator: mr. garvey, californians are struggling with a high cost of living. according to the bureau of labor statistics san francisco's housing costs is a staggering 86.5 percent above the national average. food, 70% higher and transportation, 11% higher.

what policies would you advance to alleviate the cost of living burden on working and middle-class families? mr. garvey: you have seen us come to a situation where we are much worse off than we were four years ago. let's get back to supply-side, free market capitalization. let's get money flowing freely in our great state. day one of the biden administration, they shut off energy. the ripple effect that has on this country went to the living room table, the gas station, the ability to save, the ability to provide for children. these things need to be attacked and in an expeditious and proper manner. and this man has seen this and he has never been able to solve the problem. he believes in throwing money at it without coming up with a solution. rep. schiff: i think housing is

a human right and it is a troubled tragedy that we have so many fellow citizens living on the street and so many more that cannot afford to live in a place near their work. my father was in a clothing business and he made $18,000 a year. my parents were able to have their first home on that one income. that is not possible anymore. i supported a low income housing tax credit that would incentivize the development of new units in california. we have to get local communities to approve housing more quickly. it can take four years to build housing and many of our cities and we will never solve the problem if it takes four years and a million dollars to build affordable housing. i would like to incentivize local governments to get to "yes" faster. for those suffering mental health issues we need to get

them treatment and wraparound services so they remain housed. moderator: mr. garvey, you mentioned getting back to a free market. i wonder if you would support higher tariffs on imported goods for example from china as presidential candidate donald trump is advocating. mr. garvey: i believe it should be a measured tariff situation. tariffs on a country -- on a company should be on one that threatens an american company. allowing american companies and corporations to really survive and prosper really means less taxation on them so that we can get all of these products and services in this country without the need for importing them from other countries. rep. schiff: i don't support donald trump's across-the-board

tariffs. economists say this will lead to inflation and it will be a 10% tax on every consumer in california and around the country. that is not the answer. i support targeted tariffs. when china is dumping products or technology to try to drive american businesses out of business and you are darn right, we slapped tariffs on china but we should do it strategically and not indiscriminately across-the-board which would result in higher taxes for americans. moderator: until june the san diego sector was the area where the most undocumented migrant crossings in the country -- into the country. in the complexity of the situation for millions of families on both sides of the border, if it were up to you, what would be the first immediate action you would take to address the situation even before congress acted on anything? mr. garvey: we need a strong border policy which will require

us to have more personnel along the border. we need better technology along the border to interdict people and narcotics. we also need a comprehensive immigration policy that treats those trying to migrate as human beings and that is consistent with our values. we need a solution that provides relief for our dreamers and the farmworkers that put food on our table. it has to be comprehensive if it is going to be effective. i met a gentleman at a roundtable who walks across the port of entry every day. he works on a farm in the united states and walks back to the port of entry to his family in mexico. one of the hardest working people i've ever met and someone like that should have a pathway to citizenship and should be treated with respect and dignity. we can have both a strong border but also treat people as human being. that is the kind of policy i support. rep. schiff: over the last four

years this man has voted for open border. 15 million people plus getaways have come into this country. and we know that we have to secure the border, finish the wall, reinstate men and mexico and reinforce our border patrol. we have to get back to building facilities at the border that will detain these illegal immigrants and a judicial system that will try them. the times i've been at the border, i've gone up and down, it is an existential crisis that has been created by joe biden and with this man right here. maybe it is all about votes in the future but i do believe that someone with common sense, compassion and consensus building, we have to get back to letting those people that have started it the right way and have gone to their embassies and are waiting, tens of thousands,

to come to this country only to see america leading in illegal immigrants causing death and destruction in this country. rep. schiff: i've never voted for open borders. you voted for donald trump three times and you say you will vote for him again. this is someone that wants mass deportations without the approval of congress. you are voting for mass deportations when you say you are for donald trump and that is not where californians are or the american people and it is certainly not where i am. mr. garvey: one of the two of us is honest and straightforward. and you are looking at him. what has happened is you have hammered away at me via donald trump -- but what is true is --

rep. schiff: i know your policies. [indiscernible] moderator: the last question is about immigration and we are moving on. warren armstrong, your next question for mr. garvey. moderator: california's water storage is a major issue especially in the central valley where 25% of the nation's food supply is grown. how do you plan to address the water crisis not only for california residents but for the u.s. arboriculture industry and food security? mr. garvey: i was just in northern california. the second largest basin in the country and it provides arguably the greatest agricultural area in the world with his water. the most important thing is we need support from our representatives i don't think

mr. schiff has done anything near what he needs to do and this goes back 24 years of failed policies. i think what i saw last week where farmers, existential farmers are the two roots of this country. water is the platinum and oil is the gold. a great example is the water bank where private shares are used to provide water for them. look at all of the policies that need to be reinforced by elected officials and not just career politicians. they have failed the state of california. rep. schiff: first of all, i'm enormously proud of california's agricultural industry. it feeds the state, the country and the world. many of the farmers have been farmers for generations in california and i'm proud of what they do. i'm also a enormous lay proud of what the farm workers do who

toil in sheets for endless hours to put food on our table. i want to make sure that industry remains healthy. but what has drawn so many people to california, our beautiful environment, is preserved and to strike the compromise we have to make use of this precious resource in a more efficient way which means we have to capture runoff in the wet years. when millions of gallons go out to the ocean and are wasted. we have to transport water from where it can be gathered where it can be stored. we have to deploy new technologies to bring scarce water to the plant. it means we have to do better at conserving and recycling water and be more efficient in recycling. we will need to employ all these things and we will have to attack climate change or we will never get ahead of this. moderator: as a follow-up, would you support the easing of

environmental regulations to get farmers more water and a get water into the urban areas? rep. schiff: i would not support eviscerating our environmental regulations, no. you brought up senator feinstein . i would do what she did. i would sit down with the stakeholders as i have in the last year, make sure i understand the issues and the trade-offs, and look for opportunities where we can have a win for our firms, cities and environment. it is not beyond the capability of californians to want to have it all and do it all. that is to make sure we have a beautiful environment, that we preserve our wildlife and that we continue to be the breadbasket of the world. moderator: mr. garvey -- should the environmental regulations be eased? mr. garvey: as someone that has been on teams for my life, and

as a consensus builder, i think we need the environmentalists to work with the farmers. this area needs to be preserved. mr. schiff has great ideas. if you look at his website, he has 13-15 of them. but he doesn't have an answer on how to pay for it. and that is why all of these issues lead up to $3 trillion in expense. and never does he have an answer on how to pay for these situations. water, the platinum issue in california, and i will fight for that issue every day. moderator: congressman schiff, there is excitement and trepidation over the rapid development of ai. ai may spread bias and misinformation. it may have an impact on the labor market. the white house council of

economic advisers have identified 10% of the workforce as ai vulnerable. how would you address the concerns in the senate without hurting innovation in california, especially silicon valley? rep. schiff: as chairman of the intel committee i got one of the first briefings on ai. at the time we were concerned about foreign misuse of ai. and it is a concern that has become greater. my principal concern is the one you mentioned -- what is the effect on the american worker? what we've seen over the last 50 years sadly is that life has gotten hard for working families. it is not that they are not working, unemployment is low but because of globalism and automation, people are working harder than ever and still struggling. and ai threatens to accelerate that. i want to keep the technology and jobs in california because it is a force multiplier for our

economy but i want to make sure it is well regulated so we can protect the workers. i want to make sure that workers can unionize and get good contracts so they can fight for good wages, health care and good benefits. that is the approach i think we need to take to make sure the economy is working for everyone. mr. garvey: i think it is the future. i think in many ways and being on boards of institutions and medical institutions, it will have a tremendous positive effect. my only concern is how will it affect individuals. can? it be mind altering i think in the future there will be a balance between ai, labor and commerce. and it gets back to as mr. schiff mentioned, about the economy and about getting the economy back. well, i like to call that s

chiff-lation. moderator: gabriella? >> you mentioned affordable housing but let's start with this -- we say in california that a housing crisis with low inventory and high prices across the word. critics cite building regulations and zoning laws as barriers to increasing inventory while others oppose rent control and more government intervention . do you believe we should let the housing market balance itself or do we really need more regulation? mr. garvey: i think this gets back to more of a local issue. releasing land leases on a local basis and working with builders and getting -- and giving them incentives to build housing. mr. schiff and his website talks

about affordable housing and building more housing but it is more than that. if we do start to mention a federal issue, i think this is where government becomes overinvolved and a situation could be worked out at the local level. moderator: mr. schiff? rep. schiff: i'm not sure i followed the answer but here is what i would say. i met with a young woman in the north of the state and she told me she graduated from college 10 years earlier. she was still paying down her student loans. her rent kept going up and runs are going up in rural areas as fast as they are anywhere else in the state. but between the two she had barely enough to get by and she was terrified. i think she speaks for millions of people. we need to build a lot more housing in california. my opponent might say that government doesn't have a role but we do.

we can incentivize the development of housing and we can break the logjam and we will have to. we should also be making a greater federal direct investment in housing and we should incentivize local government agencies to make decisions quicker on housing. we will have to do this and more and treat it with the urgency that it has. it is my top priority to bring down the cost of housing in california. moderator: what will you do to help renters? what would your policies be to help people with rent? mr. garvey: it is interesting that young men and women, young families trying to buy the single greatest asset they will never have and they can't do it because of inflation in the economy. i think once we get the economy roaring again, we got supply-side influence, free market capitalization and put money in their pockets, they will be able to buy homes and be

able to rent at an affordable price and i think that is where it starts. moderator: 30 seconds, mr. schiff. rep. schiff: if you are lucky enough to buy a home, you get to write off a lot of your mortgage as a result. if you are a renter, you get no help. i don't think it's right. i would like to see a renter get a tax credit. i would also like us to expand section eight vouchers. we've made a lot of progress in moving homeless veterans into shelter because we have put a focus on veterans as we should. but everyone deserves a place to live. and i think dramatically expanding section eight vouchers, making sure that landlords cannot turn down people that use that voucher -- moderator:

need more? >> this is the problem. the more you regulate, the more you control. this man in this party want to control this country. this is almost a tierney in which the government suppresses the people by controlling them. rep. schiff: more regulation, the answer is no, far from it. we need tax incentives to build housing and local governments that will make quick approvals. it's not going to be appropriate to build everything everywhere, but a quick answer is better than a long, lingering maybe or a no. >> we are going to take a quick break from this forum. we will be back with another half hour of questioning. welcome back to the u.s. senate i candidate -- u.s. senate candidate form brought to you by abc 7 and the league of women voters of california.

mr. garvey, do you support the president and why? mr. schiff, you begin. rep. schiff: i support kamala harris. i think she has a strong plan to make the economy work for everyone. i think she's a good and decent human being. i think she will stand up to bullies around the world like vladimir putin. she has earned my vote. donald trump i think was a disastrous president. i think he has threatened our democracy. he says he wants to be a dictator on day one and wants to use the justice department to go after his political enemies, demonizes groups of people. right now it is the haitians and who will it be tomorrow? american want someone who is good and decent and knows right from wrong and is capable of telling the truth as president of the united states and the choice to me is very clear and its kamala harris. >> mr. garvey? mr. garvey: you have been trying to paint me for a year now into one corner or the other and i

have said i am running a steve garvey campaign. i make decisions based on what i think is best for the people. i did vote for donald trump three times. i believe he's the best man for the job. we were much safer, we had a better economy, we had more to look forward to, but i cannot imagine, mr. schiff, how you can get up every morning and have one mission, and that is to go after donald trump. you have been made a proxy by the higher-ups in your party, whether it is going after him concerning impeachment over all these things, and if you think about it for a minute, how can you think about one man every day and focus on that when you have got millions of people in california to take care of? i think it is unconscionable and like i said before he lied to 300 million people when he was going through the whole process

of trying to get donald trump impeached. rep. schiff: mr. garvey likes that particular attack because that is what trump likes to say. it is his way of telling maga viewers, hey, i'm one of you. that's not what californians are looking for, mr. garvey. i stood up to trump, impeached him, and we incited a violent attack on the capitol, i was there that day, mr. garvey, as they were breaking down the doors and windows. the fact that you think that is perfectly ok, that you still want to support the guy who incited that, tells me you would never take their oath of office seriously. >> i will give you 30 seconds, mr. garvey, and then we will move on. rep. schiff: i have left him speechless. mr. garvey: i am trying to think about all the things you have lost. you know, when you step up and

you talk like you talk right now, it tells those hard-working people in california that you don't care about them. you care about something else. and i think that you are banned from the intelligence committee. you were censored, only one of three congressmen to be censored, and the history of the congress, and if you are elected to the senate, it will be the most toxic senate. rep. schiff: it tells them that i will stand up and defend our democracy. >> joe maddon, we are going to move on. we are going to talk about fentanyl. you have a question for mr. garvey. >> 122,000 deaths across the country last year were attributed to fentanyl. there have been 62 deaths just in fresno county. legislation recently passed requires the president to sanction cartel members engaged in fentanyl trafficking and those who purchase precursor

chemicals from china but fentanyl is already here on our streets killing people. how do you up -- do you plan to address the crisis? mr. garvey: the majority of fentanyl come from china. it is put together from china and distributed across -- together in mexico and distributed across the border. let's get back to securing the border, number one. let's deal with mexico honestly and straightforward and let's deal with china. let's stop being nice with china and with mexico. americans are being killed because the borders are open. let's face it. we have to get back to securing the border. fentanyl, single worst drug to ever come across the borders of anywhere killing our people. >> mr. schiff? rep. schiff: prior to my service in the legislature i was a prosecutor in los angeles for six years.

i prosecuted people smuggling drugs into this country from mexico. i have experience being on the front lines of the fight against those drug smugglers who are ruining countless american lives. fentanyl has been a terrible curse. my wife and i have two kids. when they were in college, we worried like every other parent that something might happen to one of our kids. it is terrifying and for all too many something did happen tragically. we need to strengthen our interdiction efforts at the border, that's true, but let's be honest about what is happening with the border. most fentanyl smuggled in comes to reports of injury carried by americans and we need to go after them and the international cartels trafficking in this death and go after china and anyone manufacturing these precursors so we can protect american lives. >> your question for mr. schiff? >> congressman schiff, on forbes

2024 world billionaires list, california has 86 billionaires, the most of any state. while the average income of the top 1% has risen significantly, middle income californians have seen their earnings and buying power decline. what is your view on the tax burden for different income groups and how would you address this growing wealth gap in our state? rep. schiff: mr. garvey: some years ago -- rep. schiff: some years ago i had the opportunity to meet warren buffett, one of the wealthiest people in the world. we discussed how the tax rate for his secretary was half of his own effective tax rate -- the richest families in america owned almost half of the nation's wealth. we have a tax code that is terribly unfair to working people and middle income families. i would change that. that tax code that mr. garvey

supports, that just made the rich richer and it made corporations wealthier, but it did nothing for most families. in fact, californians, middle-class californians, got a tax increase wynne lee -- increase wynne lee s.a.l.t. deduction was capped. i would raise that. i would support the child tax credit and i would make the wealthy and corporations pay their fair share. >> mr. garvey, taxation? mr. garvey: four years ago, taxation was in the sweet spot for this country, a vibrant economy, men and women going to work every day and believing that they could fulfill their dreams. and it is not that way now because this man has not done anything over the last 24 years on any of these things that have given us any consistency.

what this state has become is a welfare and a wealthy state. but let's let those people who -- and getting back to what everyone talks about now, small businesses, let's get back to taxation that allow small businesses to be vivid again and contribute. i. am good worked. we are worse off than we were four years ago and let's get back to people who are successful being able to make that much money but they will. -- they will pay their fair tax. >> gabriella? >> latino voters. according to the national association of latino elected officials, 29% of registered voters in california are latino. that's nearly one in three. so what should latinos -- so why should latinos vote for any of

you? what part of your political platform thinks resonates the most with our community? mr. garvey: i came here over 55 years ago, put on a dodger uniform, and i think most people know play for 20 years. over that time, the emergence of fernando vallance willow and the latino players increased attendance at dodger stadium by 40%. last debate, the question was latino voters don't believe you really care about, and i think mr. schiff says we haven't, and i looked in the camera like i will now and say when i get back to the senate, the latino community will be my priority and i will fight for them, and if we get that supply-side economics in line and get this vibrant economy, the money will go into their pockets, and they will know who cares about them. rep. schiff: in my opportunities to meet with latino business leaders around the state, what have told me is that the struggles they face are the same in many respects as any other

community. when housing prices go up, they are disproportionately impacted and struggle with financing -- struggle to find housing. when the cost of food and gas and groceries go up and medicine, they are often left wanting, but more than that, there are strong regional needs i am also trying to meet. latinos are most disproportionately impacted by the tijuana river ecological disaster that's affecting their health. similarly, in the salton sea area, latino communities deeply adversely affected by that environmental injustice. hospitals are shutting down because we are not adequately funding rural health care. latinos are losing access to life-saving health care. in the north of the state, lack of broadband access means a lot of latino families get left behind when it comes to education. i will fight for the community. i am proud to have the endorsement of several organizations in this race. this will be a top priority.

>> the centers for disease control and prevention indicates that more than a percent of americans, 27 -- than 8% of americans, 27 million people, lack access to health care in 2024. what is your plan to help those without health insurance and how will you protect those with pre-existing conditions? mr. schiff. rep. schiff: my wife and i had the experience that all too many families have of our daughter coming into our room in the middle of the night bleeding and we had to rush her to a hospital. she was fine. she got treatment. she was fine. too many families don't have access to that kind of good, immediate, quality health care. i think we should make medicare available for all who want to participate in it. what's more, we should continue to negotiate down the price of medicine through medicare negotiations.

i'm going to fight to strengthen medicare and social security. mr. garvey said we should cut these entitlements. that means cutting medicare and social security for seniors, these important health and antipoverty programs. that is not where californians are or where i am. my father passed away at 96 this year. he relied on medicare and social security. i want to make sure that is strong for future generations. mr. garvey: let's make sure we have a vivid and strong medi-cal and medicaid and expand medicare. that's where this starts. let's not do away with competition between health care companies. i am on several boards the deal with health care. we have to get back to the competitive nature of these united states. regulations have constrained people competing against each other and we have become stagnant. let's get back to free market capitalization where these insurance companies -- health

care companies can compete for lower prices. >> can health care companies not compete now? mr. garvey: they have been restrained by regulations and i think that is one of the problems with where we are in america now. we need to deregulate. once this administration took over, the first day, you saw a significant amount of regulation. >> a quick question for both of you. rep. schiff: i was puzzled to hear mr. garvey sadie was supporting expanding medicare -- say he was supporting expanding medicare because earlier he said he wanted to cut these entitlements. what entitlements were you saying we should cut? mr. garvey: where are you getting your information? rep. schiff: from you. mr. garvey: not for me. this campaign started -- the first day i announced, you came out with a snarky remark that he

was born on third base, meaning that i came from a wealthy family. let me finish. you disparaged my mother, a hard-working woman who got up every day and took two buses to go to work, came home and took care of her son and husband who she helped get out the door being a greyhound bus trevor -- driver. this is who you are and this is what you do. rep. schiff: we are talking about you wanting to cut entitlements. >> i think we are getting a little far afield here. i have a question for both of you. both presidential candidates have at one time or another, out in favor of abolishing -- another come out in favor of abolishing the filibuster. it has been used in the past to stymie civil rights legislation, voting rights legislation, to

stall or stop appointments to stall or stop appointments to the cabinet or the courts. i want your position on whether you would vote to abolish the filibuster and i would begin with mr. garvey. mr. garvey: it is a way for the minority voice to have an opinion and in this country now, this administration and the progressives are trying to deconstruct the constitution and pack the supreme court. they are trying to do away with the filibuster, with the electoral college, all these things that are part of this vibrant single greatest document in the world, the constitution. on his watch, all he has talked about is doing away with all of these things, packing the court. especially packing the court. to take away the real judicial voice of america and i think that this is unconscionable at a time when we around the world

have never been threatened more, never been in more danger, that you should constantly talk about the constitution and deconstruct it. >> mr. schiff, for or against abolishing the filibuster? mr. garvey: rep. schiff: i am for -- rep. schiff: i am for abolishing the filibuster because if we are ever going to restore voting rights, we will have to abolish the filibuster. if we ever want to take meaningful action on gun safety with universal background checks, we will have to about the filibuster. if we want immigration reform, we will have to about the filibuster. if we want to restore reproductive freedom to millions of women, we will have to abolish the filibuster. the court has already been packed. it was packed with reactionary justices who took away the reproductive freedom for millions of people. that court ought to be term limited. there should be enforceable sanctions, ethics sanctions, an enforceable ethics code for that court like any other federal

employee, and the court should be rebalanced because i don't want my kids growing up under this kind of a reactionary and partisan supreme court. mr. garvey: to the people listening both in the state and around the country, what he's talking about is eliminating free speech. this administration is constantly talking about taking away the free speech of the people, doing away with the second amendment, the bill of rights, the constitution, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is under attack by mr. schiff and his party. that's why you need a voice like mine in the u.s. senate next january. >> mr. schiff, i will give you 30 seconds and then we will move on. rep. schiff: i don't know where he is getting half this stuff, he wants to abolish the first amendment. that is gibberish. here's what i do want. i want a supreme court we can once again respect, that

is enlarging our rights, not doing away with them. i don't want voter restrictions put in place so that eligible voters cannot vote, another generation of jim crow laws, i don't want that. i want meaningful gun safety legislation, strong action against climate change. this is i believe what californians also want. >> thank you. >> congressman schiff, in many national conversations, san francisco is portrayed as crime-ridden and unsafe, but fbi crime data shows it's not among the top 100 most violent cities in the u.s. similarly, california it is sometimes characterized as a failing state despite being the world's fifth economy and a center for innovation and diversity, so as a candidate seeking to represent california and its people, all its people, what is your view of california, and based on that view, how

would you build a better california? rep. schiff: i realize that californians are struggling. i understand that many of you are working harder than ever and having a difficult time getting by. in the big cities -- san francisco is not alone -- i think all big cities in california and many around the country are facing the same post-pandemic struggles to come back. i want to work with community leaders and stakeholders in every part of this golden state. there's going to be a headline one day, san francisco is back. there will be another, oakland is back. all of our cities are back. we will have to incentivize people to come back to these big, beautiful cities. california is an incredible hub of innovation. i want to keep the entrepreneurial economy here in california. it has paid us all tremendous dividends. it needs to be regulated to protect our society and workplace, but i want these jobs

in california. i don't want them exported overseas. and again, i want to follow dianne feinstein's model. she sat down with people, got ts. you have to be able to work with people on both sides of the isle and deliver and that's what i will do. mr. garvey: mr. schiff, you are no dianne feinstein. i remember when the state was the heartbeat of america and now it is just a murmur. career officials like you who now force -- good people came here to the state to dream, knowing 85% of californians wake up each morning and realize they are only going to break even or lose money, and that's inflation, suppression of energy and the voice of the people, and i think this country is only going to start to grow women start to build consensus -- grow

when we start to build consensus, what i believe in, and not voting 90% down party lines, being able to reach across the aisle, and i will do this. i will go to all 99 of the senators and stick out my hand and say i want to work with you in the best interests of your state and my state in this country. rep. schiff: i would like to respond to what he said. i knew dianne feinstein, dianne feinstein was a friend of mine, and you are right, i would never pretend to be the equal of dianne feinstein. she was a giant. but i will tell you something about dianne feinstein and my own record. like dianne feinstein, i have worked hard across the aisle to get mass transit built, to pass california's patient bill of rights, which i wrote. i brought millions back to california for housing. if i could just say well mr.

garvey was signing baseballs for the last 37 years, i was working with both parties to sign bills into law. mr. garvey: you have only been known for one thing and that is impeaching somebody else. that's unconscionable. >> we are going to get to our closing statements. i will give each candidate one minute to present their closing statements about why they should be elected to the senate. mr. garvey, you are first. mr. garvey: it has been 55 years since you and i first met him dr. stadium -- met in dr. stadium. i played in san diego and l.a., being involved in charities and understanding what california is all about. i listened to a song, someone like you, by van morrison, and it reminded me of the day i decided to run. it is the people of california

who have been suppressed and regulated, who need a new, fresh, young voice, somebody who will get up every day and swing for the fences for you. i will be a six-year senator that will make a difference in your life and family in future. god bless you and this has been the greatest journey of my life. i need your vote. go to stevegorby.com. >> mr. schiff. rep. schiff: thank you for hosting the debate tonight. i have been proud to represent california in the u.s. congress. i'm proud of my record. i'm proud of building light rail, passing california's patient bill of rights. i'm proud of bringing back millions to this state to build housing, to get things done again in california. i am proud to have authored legislation that helps us attack wildfires and expand health care.

californians deserve a senator who has a track record of delivering and getting things done for the people of the state but california also has a right to expect at their senator will stand up for our constitution, for our democracy, and will take on even a corrupt president, which was my obligation, my constitutional obligation, and i would do so again if the need should arise. i have been proud to represent many of you in the house. i would be proud to represent every part of this big, beautiful state in the u.s. senate and i ask for your vote. >> thank you, mr. schiff and mr. garvey. thank both of you for this great forum. we would like to thank our cosponsor, the league of women voters of california. additional thanks to our sister station, kgo in san francisco and kfsn in fresno. early voting starts at the end of the month. vote by mail ballots must be postmarked by election day.

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