>> coming up on c-span's "washington journalm" we'll take your calls and comments live. then, paragon health institute's dr. joel zinberg and injured to cause -- andrea ducas from the center for american progress discusses health care policy proposals from both vice president harris and former president trump. then, pew research center's mark hugo lopez discusses the impact and political influence of latino voters in this year's elections. "washington journal" starts now. ♪ host: good morning. it is monday, october 14, 2024. we are just 22 days from election day. this morning, we are focusing on one segment of the population

getting a lot of attention as we head into the presidential campaign's final stretch. we want to hear from black men only this morning about who you are voting for and why. black men in the eastern or central time zones, the number to call, (202) 748-8000. black men in the mountain and pacific time zones, (202) 748-8001. you can also send us a text, that number (202) 748-8003. if you do, please include your name and where you are from. otherwise, catch up with us on social media. on x, it's @cspanwj. on facebook, it's facebook.com/cspan. good morning to you. black men only in this first segment of the "washington journal." this headline just up within the last hour from politico this morning, harris campaign rolls out new push to shore up black men. this headline notes it is

responding to signs the trump campaign is starting to peel off voters from among black men. [video clip] >> the illegal migrants coming into our country are taking the jobs of american citizens. but you know what they are really taking? the jobs of black and hispanic workers. they're taking the jobs. black community, hispanic community is being decimated by what is happening. they are coming in and taking the jobs. you know what is next? unions are next. they are going to take a lot of union jobs away. they will take jobs away, period . the black community, you saw the numbers last week. they are terrible kid because they are hiring people. when you had a job, you had a job for years. now, all of a sudden, somebody also taking the job. it is also affecting the hispanic people. and my numbers with the black

people, especially black men -- i love black men, i love them. i gone through the roof with black men. black men. i do not do quite as well with black women, i must say. i don't know why, but i'm sure that'll work out, too. but i appreciate it, i do. host: donald trump on friday night in novato. the numbers he may have been referring to, a new poll showing donald trump with rising support among black men, though, overwhelmingly, black voters supporting harris. 40% of black men say they support donald trump, 70% say they support kamala harris. among women, 83% of black women saying they will support harris. those numbers of note,

especially among men, are strikingly different from joe biden's 2020 election. 85% of black men at that point saying they supported joe biden, and you can see those numbers in this latest poll. black voters drift from democrats, imperiling kamala harris' bid. kamala harris supporters heading to the sunday shows yesterday and were asked about this issue, including senator raphael warnock of georgia. the democrat was on cnn. [video clip] >> black men are not going to vote for donald trump in any significant numbers. there will be some. we're not a monolith. but as black folk in general, and black men in particular, consider who donald trump is, as they consider the fact that this is the man who literally took out a full-page ad in the new york times saying that these

young teenagers, back in the 1980's, who were accused of a horrific crime, should receive the death penalty. then when it was proven that the exonerated five, the central park five, were actually innocent, donald trump has shown no deal of concern about what they went through, no bit of contrition about it. he doubled down on his position. this is who he is. black men know that, as they watch him deal with his own, no problems and concerns, that the criminal justice system certainly does not handle them the way it handles him. on the other hand, you have kamala harris, who, in her work as a prosecutor, found ways to give people a path towards a better life, who has spent her whole life as a lawyer, as a senator, and now as vice president, centering the

concerns of ordinary people. again, we're not a monolith, but this idea that large numbers of black men will vote for donald trump is not going to happen. host: that was yesterday on cnn, "state of the union." you will see the hairs campaign focusing on this issue. just take a look at her schedule for the week ahead. on monday, the vice president will meet with a group of black men in erie, pennsylvania before holding a rally in that city. npr noting she plans to meet with black entrepreneurs in detroit after a town hall moderated by an influential black radio host who, as the npr story notes, pulls few punches. she will attend a black in greenville, north carolina before holding a rally. donald trump this week, in the days ahead, is headed to

pennsylvania, atlanta, georgia, and duluth, minnesota. you will see this conversation on the campaign trail this week. we are having it this morning on the "washington journal," asking for just black men only in this segment. we will ask you are voting for and why. start in brooklyn. john is waiting. good morning. caller: good morning. i am from brooklyn, new york. i just heard that burst where donald trump said loved black men. 20% of black men voting for trump is nothing. i think about the policy. i am thinking about how many republicans use biden and harris -- i googled it, and all the republican states are taking that money from his construction bill, and they voted against it. i wanted to know, if inflation

is so bad, why are big businesses making billions of dollars? you know, they say inflation, inflation. these big companies, exxon mobil, smith foods, why are they making billions? because they are price gouging, and it is hurting people. i remember trump said he wanted to deregulate. i am old enough to remember ddt in the 1960's and 1970's, what it did to america. i am from the south. we used ddt. that was devastating to america. host: we will take your point there and head to the south in dallas. mike is waiting. your thoughts on black men voting this election cycle? caller: good morning k thanks for taking my call. to start, i am definitely voting for kamala harris. i want to make it abundantly

clear for america to realize this, beauty versus the beast. or another thing to look at. when they talk about the economy, the economy started tumbling during the trump administration. price gouging started happening during the year 2020. host: do you think black men will come out for donald trump? caller: no way. no sane brother will come out for that ugly dog. host: all right. will in baltimore, good morning. caller: good morning and good morning c-span viewers. i am definitely voting for kamala harris. it baffles me that large segments of black men will vote for donald trump. i do not really think it will happen. unless you are some wealthy black man, i cannot see why you

want to vote for donald trump. donald trump wants to cut taxes for the rich. and we do need immigration reform, but we do not need rage baiting, and we don't need a demagogue. the middle east situation has been spiraling out of control. there will be no checks and balances for netanyahu. and putin will overrun ukraine, and who knows what will happen to poland and some of the others? tell me one reason you should be voting for a race baiter? host: we go to eddie. your thoughts on the black male vote this election cycle? caller: excuse me? host: where do you think black men will follow this election cycle? caller: if a black man votes for

trump, when trump is talking about how he wants to send everybody back, people back to their own countries and just distracting this world -- i'm voting for kamala, because we need to change. we can have a woman in there. we had 45.5 white men in office. why can't we have our own kind, a black woman, to see this country turn around? there are two presidents, and hearing trump and vance coming on and talking about nothing. when trump was in office, trump didn't do nothing for nobody but himself. we don't need trump back in office. when everybody got on the trees and prayed trump was out of

office -- for black man, trump needs to send a black man back to africa -- when -- host: we will take the point. this conversation about black men and voting was kick started last week by the former president, barack obama, talking about his concerns about the possibility black men may not come out for kamala harris during a campaign stop for the vice president. this was that, from abc news, barack obama talking with a group of black men. [video clip] >> i will go ahead and say a piece of truth, if you don't mind. because my understanding, based on reports i am getting from campaigns and communities, is that we have not yet seen the

same kinds of energy and turnout in all corners of our neighborhoods and communities as we saw when i was running. now, i also want to say that that seems to be more predominant with the brothers. so if you don't mind, just for a second, i will speak to y'all and say that, when you have a choice that is this clear -- on the one hand, you have somebody who grew up like us, knows you, went to college with you, understands the struggles and pain and joy that comes from

those experiences, who works harder and will do more and overcome and achieves the second highest office in the land and has put forward concrete proposals to directly affect things in our black communities. -- making sure that we are dealing with the rents that are too high and is committed to making sure

we maintain the affordable care act, so everybody has health insurance, and cares about things like education. and on the others, you have someone who has consistently shown this regard -- disregard, not just for communities but for you, as a person. and you're thinking about sitting out? [laughter] but, you know -- and you're coming up with all kinds of reasons and excuses. i have a problem with that. because part of it makes me think -- that's speaking to men

directly now -- part of it makes me think you are not feeling having a woman in office. host: that state and getting a lot of reaction from black male supporters of black black donald trump, including the president of the conservative federation, diante johnson, tweeting out that shaming black men for voting for kamala harris solely because she's black? this is from the hill. two republicans, black republicans, byron donalds and wesley hunt join black men for trump in condemning obama's comments to black men. that statement was put out by the trump campaign states, in

part, president obama's comments to support kamala harris based solely on her skin color is insulting. black men are not a monolith. it is demeaning to digest we cannot evaluate a candidate's track record, especially when kamala harris has done more harm than good to black communities. you can read that on the trump-vance website. taking your calls from black men only. want to get your thoughts on the focus on black men in the final weeks of the campaign and where you think black men will fall when all the votes are counted. this is nate in baltimore. caller: good morning, good morning. how are you? host: doing good. what do you think about this focus on black men? caller: i think it is silly season again. we're not a monolith, but pretty sure the brothers are going to go with kamala. i've already early voted, and

just for the reasons, starting down the list -- and then we're talking women's rights. and being a prideful black man, doing everything i am supposed to do. to vote for a liar, an adjudicated sexual assault or, a person who denigrates anyone who was not right-wing, and just the amount of lies trump and jd vance spew forth, attacking immigrants -- the only thing he is doing is trying to incite violence and anger against minority groups. his so-called base -- the only reason he had them at that rally, five miles away from -- where's the place. anyway, where he had the rally, he bused them there and make

sure they could get there, but it was five miles away, so they couldn't leave, and they were stranded late at night to that was so awful. and that is not the first time he has done it. he did it in 2020. once again, as i black man, we're all going to vote for the best candidate it with the best policy, the best character, and the best chance of a future for all of us. and, no, we're not going back. thank you and goodbye. host: (202) 748-8000, talking to black men in the eastern time zone and central time zones. if you are in the mountain and pacific time zones and you are a black man, (202) 748-8001. we will head out to las vegas. this is jeffrey. good morning. caller: good morning. yeah, i'm voting for kamala harris. i think most black men, like myself, grew up protecting our women. i was done with donald trump in

2015, when he said he could grab women. i just thought that was so awful. so it's an easy vote for me. host: what do you think about the polling numbers that show more black men supporting donald trump than what the numbers were compared to 2020 and joe barton was running against donald trump? caller: i think that is all rejection. like byron donalds, he had that conference in a so-called black church in detroit area but it was all filled with white people, and it was just byron donalds and a few people at this table along with donald trump. the polls are all projections. i don't believe the polls are real in terms of collectively all of us. host: that is jeffrey in las vegas. this is ruben out of philly.

caller: good morning. there's been a history of blacks thinking that their vote doesn't matter in a black neighborhood. but people should realize this man is coming into office getting ready to get rid of d.e.i. we wouldn't even need d.e.i. or affirmative action if it were not people like the conservative and see that he stands behind, the people of january 6. what happened on january 6 -- he's talking about doing away with our history. he's talking about doing away with us. diversity, equity, inclusion came about because we had to be included. we did not get this until the 1960's during the civil rights act. then, right now, they are trying

to get rid of the voting rights act. to go along with it, they will get rid of the civil rights act. all our parents and grandparents fought for will be done away with. we cannot allow this man back in office. i understand black men if you like they don't even matter, and it is hard because you see immigrants coming into your community doing better than you are doing more than you. but, like the man just said, it's a projection -- host: do you ever listen to -- and what you think about kamala harris sitting down with that interview. it is scheduled to take place tomorrow. caller: i did not know about it until just now. i member they had a little tit for tat -- i remember they had a little tit for tat last time when she was

running for vice president -- host: he was trickle against democrats and pulled no punches against democrats. caller: and right now there are a lot of people not pulling punches against democrats, because the majority of democrat cities and black men, we're not doing as we should be, we are not sticking together like we should, also. there's like a two-way street. the fraternal order of police is backing donald trump. the same police to permit that ostracized those five boys for a false confession. that's why donald trump called for their execution, because the police department got them boys to falsely confess to a crime they did not commit. they had us all believing these boys committed this crime. now, the same police department that watched donald trump sit there for three hours on january 6 and watched capitol police

officers get assaulted, and the one cop who is a disgrace to the badge, this is something we cannot allow back in the white house. host: this is anthony in new york. good morning. caller: hey,? how are you today? thank you for taking my call. host: doing well. what are your thoughts on where black men will be in this election? caller: first of all, i, as a black man, and voting for trump. there is a significant amount voting for trump, because we all come from backgrounds, different education, to say all of us are voting for kamala harris is absurd. we have to, as black people, come away with this dinosaur belief that has been hunting us from the 1960's era. that era is done and gone with. everyone who prospered from the

civil rights era was everybody but black people. if you look at the economy today, the economy is failing. you look at the inflation, where they raised interest rates more than eight times. you look at real estate, going through the roofs. you look at biden and kamala, giving billions of dollars away overseas, and when our people are suffering from hurricanes, they cannot even come up with money for them. we have to look at the immigration status. the illegal immigrants are coming to this country and giving every thing to them and not even helping black businesses prosper. also, you have to look at what is happening in africa. you have russia and china gaining momentum in africa and doing things all around the world that this administration does not care or invest in or help people overseas either. i will definitely go for trump, because i feel that we, as black people, need to look out for ourselves -- host: you mentioned the civil rights movement. do you mind if i ask how old you are? caller: i would rather not say,

but i am in my 40's. host: what did you think of barack obama kick starting this conversation specifically about black men? caller: i think barack obama recognized that he was being truthful and understanding a lot of black men are very fed up. like i said, there are a lot of black men doing well in businesses, doing well education wise, and they are fed up with this system. he knows that he is trying to appeal to them on the fact that they're black to vote for kamala . he understands this administration has not done nothing for us, but instead of coming out in the forefront and acknowledging this, he is trying to appeal for them in a very smart way by saying we need to all stick together. but the truth of the matter is, no, we did not stick together during four years of restriction that has run us to the ground. host: that is anthony in new york to get having this conversation this first hour of the "washington journal," black men only, asking about your choice in campaign 2024.

(202) 748-8000 if you are a black man in the eastern central time zones. it's (202) 748-8001 if you are a black man in the mountain or pacific time zones. donald trump, recently on the campaign trail, speaking to black voters, including last tuesday in pennsylvania. this is what he had to say. [video clip] >> i gave you, as you know, the largest tax cut in the history of this country, and i gave you the largest regulation cut for companies that hired so many people. we have the best employment numbers the history of our country. everyb was working, whether they want to the best schools and colleges and got doctorates, or whether they could not graduate from high school, men, women, the black community, the hispanic community, the asian community. every single group, not one was left the hind. the best ones come in terms of proportionately, were low income people.

they did the best. and by the way, you have an invasion of people into our country, and not including gotaways, 21 million people that got away that no one has any idea how many they are, they will be attacking, and they already are, the black population jobs, the hispanic population jobs. and they're attacking union jobs, too. and they're all pouring in. when you see the border, it is not just the crime, your jobs are being taken away, too. host: that was donald trump on the campaign trail tuesday in pennsylvania. a lot of conversation about black voters and a lot of ink being spilled on that topic, including this from the new yorker. in the wake of that times-sienna poll showing donald trump doing better with black voters than even he did in 2020, specifically black male voters, the headline saying what the

polls really say about support. aggressive blamed white women for hillary clinton's loss. this time, black men coming under scrutiny. this is johnny in oregon. good morning. you're next. caller: yes, good morning. i am supporting kamala harris. but let me just something in perspective. number one, i am a pediatrician and health administration. i am a fellow of the american college of physicians. as a christian, out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks. the things donald trump says about blacks is because of what he believes. to say blacks identified with him because he got a mugshot. he also thinks we like him

because he produces sneaker shoes. this is how low this person things about black men. the only black person he had in his cabinet was only ben carson, a qualified neurosurgeon, the top of the top. i do not know what qualifications did miller have. first of all these polls about black men voting for trump, i do not know where they get those from and i can tell you those polls are wrong the same way they predicted a red wave. i don't know where they got their data about the red wave from. this is not going to happen. there is not going to be any red wave like they are predicting, the same way they are predicting blacks will vote for trump. it will not happen. host: johnny in oregon.

this is gregory in union city. caller: how are you doing this morning? host: what you think about the numbers in the polls and the focus on black men? caller: my biggest concern is we have gotten distracted from what is really important in this election. that is to get a guy who says if i lose they cheated. he puts on this big thing on january 6 and he is showing america he is not about democracy. we have been so distracted. look what happened. he got these people to storm our congress. this is a dangerous situation we are all not watching.

trump is a demagogue. that is what he is and he is a danger to our country and i think everybody better wake up when it is time to go to the polls. host: that is gregory in georgia . this is from yesterday's opinion section. it is charles coleman, junior, civil rights attorney -- black men want to that delivers for them. "black men's reconsideration of the democratic party is the worst kept secret of the progressive left. black men face a unique reality. under any relevant index for measuring the quality of american life, how far we go in school and how long we will live , black men consistently rank last or near last. there is not a black man alive in this country who is ever seen a black male unemployment equal or less than his white counterparts.

this is true even more acutely for a 34-year-old black man born in 1990 who may have voted in every presidential election citizens 18th birthday, saw the election of a black president come and spend more of his adult life with democrats in the oval office the republicans. how could we not be asking ourselves which candidate can help us change course? the immediate concern for kamala harris and democrats is not a sizable exodus to the republican party, but the possibility that black men may not vote, failing to acknowledge the drift of black men away from the democrats is how we arrived here and a denial of this problem, no matter how adamant, will not make the problem itself disappear." read more from charles coleman in the new york times sunday edition. north carolina, good morning. caller: good morning. my biggest issue with donald trump is this. number one, he does not have any

self-respect or any respect for black people in general. listen to the way he talks. he speaks to us like we are children. he is saying things that are not true. i am taking a look at what has just happened from the previous administration with the 300 federal judges that have been elected, not to mention what is going on with stephen miller and the ddi attack. and also's -- with the dei attac k, and also saying psychologists should not talk about mental health with racism. for the 20% of black men who are allowing social media and their own insecurities and failures in their own lives to affect the way they look at kamala harris is disrespectful, it is despicable, and it is sad. i think donald trump is the a pit of me of white supremacy in the united states and we have a hard fight ahead of us,

regardless if it is kamala harris. why now are black men's agendas being asked? there was no agenda coming out from the biden administration or the trump administration. now we are 22 days from the finish line and i think truth social and black twitter, people are getting worried, the politicians are getting worried, the people in power are getting worried but nobody really cares about black men but black men. host: stay on the line. this is what you will be hearing from kamala harris in the days ahead, focus on black men. this is the politico story that just came out. a couple other sites have this about these agenda item you will be proposing as she is in detroit, as she is meeting with black entrepreneurs and is focused specifically on black men. "in the coming days harris plan several campaign events and policy proposals designed to appeal to black men and plans to

announce three new policy prescriptions involving one million small business loans forgivable up to $20,000, training and mentorship programs that would give black men a leg up in high demand industries, and launching an initiative focused on health issues that disproportionately impact black men." your thoughts on her and those policy prescriptions. caller: great, awesome you are doing that. what i would also point to is there needs to be some type of program and the federal administration or some type of grassroots organization that helps to educate physics through the k-12. -- to educate civics through k-12. all of this money and handouts is what the republicans will say. i do not care about the money. i want equity and that is what we need to focus on. host: d ever listen to charlamagne tha god? caller: probably when i was in

my 20's. i am 46. i have a 30-year-old son now. do i want to listen to charlamagne tha god for my clinical advice? i don't really care what he has to say. host: what you think about kamala harris sitting down with him tomorrow? caller: i think it is race baiting. i think she is trying to appeal to the youth. i am not a republican or democrat, i am undecided. i am going to vote for kamala harris because there is no other option for me. i am forced to do it. it is not that i think she is bad. she is the current vice president. it is not like she is off the street, she is a highly educated woman of color. she is multiracial, so in my. when we start talking about race -- so am i. when we start talking about race it becomes nuanced. host: wallace in louisiana.

you are next. caller: thank you for taking my call. i am going to vote for kamala harris. i am not into black vote or women's vote. i am voting for the common sense , the common cause we are having. our biggest war is in washington, d.c. against the republicans as a democrat. we have to understand what is really going on. donald trump took those kids from their parents and put them in cages. now he wants to blame it on joe biden and kamala harris. i don't understand what he is talking about a lot of times because he is trying to be a dictator to the united states. me, myself, i do not want to live under dictatorship. he was the first sitting president that ever visited a

communist country and a dictatorship country. look what he did to president obama. he fought president obama's birthright. he had the arizona sheriff to fight that for four years. he got in office, once he got in office, six months later after he got in office he mumbled under his breath it is not as easy to get rid of obamacare like he was campaigning for. thank you for taking my call and i hope everybody understands. vote for common sense. host: that is wallace in louisiana. alta l.a., this is david, up early. caller: good morning. i want to to address some of the black man i have heard in support for donald trump. i will give you some facts.

when kamala harris was a senator, along with doug jones, the democrat from alabama, who proposed increasing funding for the hbcus. that was an omnibus bill. 14% increase in funding for the black colleges. they did so and then donald trump was obligated to sign it. if he did not it would've looked bad for him. a lot of people do not realize that the bill that donald trump takes credit for was proposed by kamala harris. furthermore, i heard a couple of callers talk about the economy under joe biden and kamala harris. so far the economy is thriving. other than just the inflation come every other economic indicator is off the charts. the stock market, the manufacturing jobs, they passed more bills, including the american rescue plan, the

bipartisan infrastructure bill, they appointed ketanji brown jackson to the supreme court, the first black woman. the bipartisan saver communities act. the health care, they have signed marriage equality into law. the inflation reduction act. the list goes on and on. anybody supporting donald trump has to realize that he is surrounded by white supremacists. if you focus on his rallies you see the hand signs they throw up, white power. you have to be a full. -- you have to be a fool. his sister says he was a racist. his lawyer says he was a racist. his nephew says he was a racist. most of the people in his cabinet have been arrested for crimes of lost their law license. at some point you have to let go of donald trump.

that is all i have to say. host: back to georgia. darrell. good morning. caller: how are you doing? first of all, donald trump, this wednesday he is coming to georgia to a town in a county called forsyth county. forsyth is the most recent county we have in this state. host:'s big event is in atlanta i believe? caller: it will always say atlanta, but that is not where it is. look it up. it is in forsyth county. they have some of the most racist incidents we ever had in the state took place in that county. he will be there doing a town hall for women with harris faulkner from fox news. they will be there wednesday doing that.

people can look forward to that. the main thing i will vote for kamala harris for is because of my wife, my mother, my daughter, my sister, my nieces, some of my friends that are women. that is who is going to get my vote. it is a shame we have these young black men. i will speak on it. they would get another stimulus check and they will get a loan, take your buck to work. then you do not have to worry about all that craziness. i'm not worried about gas, i have money because i worked my entire life to get what i got right now. i go to the barbershop, trump is going to give out the stimulus checks, trump is my guy.

that at the same time he is giving all of racist remarks towards you to buy you in. that is all i've got. host: you are correct. the event in forsyth county on wednesday with an audience composed entirely of women. fox news harris faulkner said to host that. you know the schedule better than i do. caller: thank you. host: this is russell in washington, d.c. good morning. caller: i just want it to say that there are videos that go back years of kamala harris describing her own ethnicity and heritage in her own words on the videos. she does not mention african-americans, she does not mention blacks, she does not mention america. she describes herself as southeast asian mixed with

indian. she does not even mention jamaica, which has to do with her father's heritage. she does not mention jamaica at all. there are multiple videos of her describing herself that go back years. it seems to me that what we have is a rorschach test. they put an image in front of people and all of these black americans are gravitating towards her when there is no connection at all. there is no connection. every gravitates towards her. people have started getting sloppy and lazy, referring to her as black, and she is not. host: russell in d.c.. this is terry in alabama. good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call. obama is right about the black

men. we gravitate to something because what somebody said about what kamala harris did do and did not do. what they did was pass a lot of these laws that black men do not know how to access the benefits from these laws and that is a big part of our life now. i do we know how to access these benefits? the laws are passed but we do not know the benefits. that is our problem. some of these young men get stimulus checks -- their older guys who are working who do not how to get access to the laws. if we understand that when the laws are passed, and that includes going to the farm bill, how to access these things and get all of this money and spend the money, we just do not know how to do that. kamala harris and all of them they passed a lot of stuff and i friends who benefited from that administration in business. they understood how to access these laws and they did great

with these laws. that is why we have to understand how to do that. we blame the democrats but we don't blame the 1986 law ronald reagan passed that allowed them to acquire asylum. that needs to be addressed as well. why are they not changing the law if they do not want folks to come to the border to seek asylum and that is all they have to say is i want asylum. we blame the immigrants. when trump said they are taking our jobs away, what jobs are they taking away? i am not going to the fields. alabama tried it. alabama does not say anymore about folks leaving the state. we need to wake up and smell the coffee. the administration of joe biden and kamala harris, coming out of the pandemic, business leaders were trying to get their money

back when trump shut the economy down. they are trying to get their benefits back so we can come back to what they said. they had a bottom-line that they did not get a lot of money. now everything will cost. host: about 10 minutes left in this first segment of washington journal. talking to black men only in this first hour. keep calling in as we take you to sunday shows yesterday. more on this topic of where black men will fall when it comes to election day and when they make their selections on election day. it was jim clyburn of south carolina on cnn state of the union. he was asked about democratic concerns about black men voting for donald trump. this is what he had to say. [video clip] >> i am concerned about black men staying home or voting for trump. my concerns do not tend to keep

me from being energetic about this campaign. i was in michigan campaigning with debbie last weekend. i thought our swing through michigan was effective. i met with black men, i met with black religious leaders. i met with black union leaders. quite frankly we had very frank and direct discussions and i do not see and feel what i am reading about in news reports. black men, like everybody else, want to know exactly what i can expect from the harris administration. i've been very direct with them. i have also contrasted that with what they can expect from a trump administration.

he will expect project between 25 to be a full-blown policy in his administration. what will that policy be? i described on the first night of our national convention and i've described that way ever since. it will be jim crow 2.0. i am the ninth african-american serving in congress from south carolina. there were eight before me. the problem is there were 95 years between number eight and number nine. the policies from the 95 years that kept us out of government, out of this economy was because of jim crow. if you look at project 2025, it will be jim crow 2.0. i am amazed at the number of people who actually are interested in contrasting that. i think we have a lot of success

in michigan being able to explain that. host: congressman jim clyburn on cnn's state of the union yesterday. back to your phone calls. this is ken in the garden state. caller: good morning. how are you? host: what are your thoughts on where black men will come down on election day? caller: to look where we come down on i have to look at where we are currently and i have to look at the fact that you are hosting a show on black men, jesse could do as well. host: later today we will talk about latino voters. caller: that becomes part of my issue. minorities -- there is no jim crow 2.0. jim crow never went away. in the united states of america it was factored into this nation that there would be a mal

distribution of wealth towards black people. years later when you lose your political leverage, now you move to this point where they group minorities with black people. the bureau of indian affairs has been around for 200 years. they are in place to make sure the nation is being held accountable economically towards indian suffrage, which has been as long as black men and black women and black people suffrage in this nation. there has to be a department specifically for black people that is there to help fill the void of the continuation of this nations doctrine has been. if i go down -- let me put the choice up. you have one choice of a person that is twice impeached, four times indicted, multiple

bankruptcies, convicted rapist, versus someone who is not filled the office yet. i think whether you are black or white, you should be able to realize the better option is the person that is more qualified based on the fact they are not a felon. the question in and of itself is very misleading because black men are not going to make the difference in this time. putting out jim clyburn or charlamagne tha god or obama. obama's cabinet looked like the 1982 starting philadelphia phillies lineup. clyburn has been an option -- clyburn has been in office for 31 years and charlamagne tha god has problems as well. that is not an indictment of black man or black people were whether or not we will vote. there is a lot of people on that boat. it is not just the person at the top of the ticket. a lot of other issues involved.

i think black men deserve more credit than that. it will not be that fault if kamala harris loses but i'm quite sure she is going to win. maybe donald will come into second place. host: this is john in alabama. good morning. go ahead. caller: this is don in alabama. i sure he i've not listed your program before, i -- i am sorry i have not listened your program before, i will be in the future. i think too many people speaking about blackmun's opinion is not realizing -- about black men's opinion is not realizing that what we have to look at is not a blue or a red or a black or a white. we need to be looking at who these people actually are that are running. from the bottom of the ticket to the top.

you need to look at all of the ballots in your town, in your state come and you need to be deciding who is the best person qualified in each case and in this particular case i will say what is at the top of the republican party ticket i hope is not indicative of where the rest of the locations will be. you do have a person that if you listen to a few of his lies and noticed they are lies, follow the trail. he is a multiple liar. then you need to contrast that with a person who has done research to even get to her job.

she will understand what you ask of her more than donald trump will. host: that is don in alabama. first time calling into the program? caller: you can call it was -- you can: once a month and watch every day but we try to keep our calls to once a month. hope you watch again down the road. caller: i will, definitely. host: this is lee in charleston, south carolina. caller: good morning. definitely kamala harris. when i think it is all a way of dividing people, division, and that is what donald trump said. he likes division, confusion. that is his spiel. i think these black guys that

say they are going to vote for him and then realize the reality. the guy from new york, 47 years old, he did not want to say his age because he is kind of ashamed. anybody in their right mind knows you want a life that is normal, not the way they have this going on. i think it is a conspiracy to overthrow the government once again. they may succeed. all you have to do is get out and vote, just like when barack was running. we were in line saying no one was going to take our vote. no one. it turned out that came true. now you have this fellow who wants to take your vote again. he has people helping him. we have to be careful. host: to district heights, maryland, this is john. caller: good morning and thank you very much. when barack obama left office he

had consumer protections on everything. donald trump got in there and destroyed the whole consumer protections and then he stood there and told these american people debating joe biden that he deregulated everything. this is exactly why there is so much couching going on because he deregulated everything. my brothers who call themselves are voting for donald trump, get your head out of the football and basketball and march madness and pay attention to this crowd -- to this crown -- to this clown. donald trump told bob woodward he feels no responsibility to understand the pain of africans. he said donald trump told bob woodward in an interview on june 19 that he felt no responsibility to better understand the pain of african-americans. asked about the race relations of the united states trump made

the response in several interviews that bob woodward detailed in the book rage. he is a cold flooded races this -- he is a cold-blooded racist demonic lunatic. what bothers me is all of the religious leaders behind this guy. i will explain to the american people, donald trump cares nothing about the law. kamala harris was once a prosecutor. she does have some concern about the law. we should be concerned about who is going to adhere to the constitution, to the state law, who will protect us from crooks who is couching everything. that is why the gas is high and food is high and the clothes are high in the rent is high because he deregulated everything. host: last caller is frank out of north carolina. caller: two things. my first think is i need black americans around the world to understand a program.

for those who do not understand that. can you hear me? host: what is the program you're talking about? caller: the fbi program with jake or hoover targeting certain black communities -- with j edgar hoover targeting certain black communities and young black men. then i look at a certain california law that kamala harris enforced. host: stop watching your tv and talk through your phone. i have about a minute left. we are hearing everything you're saying. caller: most people on the east coast and up north and down south are genuinely voting for kamala harris based on her color of skin. they do not know her. if she is going to be such a good person she should fix the problem she caused in the state of california and help the family she destroyed through her policies as a prosecutor. for me, it is a clear vote.

it is not so much a skin game. the skin game is what got us into trouble. diversity, equity, inclusion. do you think people in the 40's, 50's, and 60's died for diversity in equities and inclusion and we have been on included in the process? no one has benefited from the civil rights and black power struggle. transgender have benefited, immigrants have benefited. black people have benefited nothing. we have a person that if reparations were given she did not even qualify. that is not to say the lady is not intelligent. i disagree with anyone who says she is not intelligent. the woman is extremely intelligent. policies are policies. you cannot run from your past. the previous caller said gas was this and gases that. gas is high right now.

gas inside now over the last three years. these ideas that we are a monolithic group of people and that all black men will vote the same, that is not true. one of your colors early, it was clear he lives a dei type of life, naturally he will vote for the person who is inclusive. then you have some other guys, you have some black men like myself who are struggling to open a business. i've been struggling. this guy telling me i'm not intelligent enough to access alone? i have looked for a loan in every kind of way. it was not the government that helped me open my business. at the end of the day i had to get out and bump and grind like everybody else. host: that is frank in north carolina, our last caller in this first segment.

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in new york joining us is joel zinberg and here in studio is andrea ducas of the senator for american progress. we will start -- of the center for american progress. before we get to policy on health care, where you stand on with the government should be doing when it comes to americans and their health care, where they should be involved, and what should be the responsibility of individual americans? guest: absolutely. at the center for american progress action we believe everyone should be access to affordable health insurance. health care is a right. the role of the government should be to facilitate the pickup of affordable health insurance as much as possible to make sure that when people go to the doctor they know they're getting high-quality care and when their purchasing insurance they are getting a good product that enables them to access the providers they need at the government should also be setting the rules of the road, making sure that in the system we have all entities are playing by the rules, doing what they

can to look out for the best interests of the american public and again ensuring everyone in this country has access to the best health care in the world. host: is there anything about that you disagree with? guest: i do not disagree with everyone having access to health care. that is what everyone wants. i happen to be a physician and i would want that for myself and my family. i think we differ on what is the best means of achieving that. is it through making sure everyone has some sort of government provided health insurance or is it done through maximizing people's ability to choose what they would need and what they would want? we do that by maximizing choice and by increasing competition so that the best plans, the best ways of providing health care rise to the top and people have the opportunity to choose that for themselves. host: with that being said, what you see as the faultlines of the health care battles in this

election cycle? where are the two parties differing? guest: one site seems intent on expanding government provided care. they do not care if it is done in an efficient way, if it is done in a wasteful way or not. you have one party that wants to expand the marketplaces, and they will do that by increasing subsidies and to do that in a way that induces people to misstate their income and have fraud. at paragon health institute we issued a paper dealing with that , that because of the changes in the subsidy structure that were included in the american rescue plan and extended in the inflation reduction act, people with incomes between 100 to 150 of the federal poverty line get no premium care.

they pay nothing. that is a great incentive for people to misstate their income and we estimate four to 5 billion people are receiving care -- 425 million people -- 4-5 million people are receiving care that they do not qualify for that is costing us $15 billion to $20 billion a year. you also have a party that does not seem to care of people are enrolled in medicaid who are ineligible. we had a program during the pandemic that told states not to look at whether people are enrolled who are eligible or not . that kept getting extended and extended until just about a year ago. now the federal government is pushing back when states try to disenroll those folks who are eligible. it is a feeling that you need to

get as many people on as possible and it is getting people onto plans that are not very popular. the aca marketplace plans prior to these expanded subsidies never topped 10 or 11 million per year. that is about half of what the cbo estimated were going to be enrolled. you only got an expansion when you provided the free stuff. people love free stuff. host: the issues of waste, fraud, and abuse, trying to expand these programs. andrea ducas, you agree that this is the fault line when it comes to health care? guest: it is hard to say because there has not been a lot of that has been part of the discussion around health care from one of the parties. it is challenging. what dr. zinberg shared is right in terms of that being one of the faultlines. we take significant issue with that analysis.

i think there is a difference between somebody who is a sole proprietor and self-employed person trying to estimate how much money they will make at the beginning of the year and somebody who is fraudulently and lowering an insurance plan -- somebody was fraudulently enrolling in an insurance plan. to the extent you have actors engaging in that kind of activity that should not be happening, and there's a difference in belief about what to do about that. one way to handle fraud is to go after fraud. another way to do it is to pick everybody out with health insurance. it is an odd choice to be making. that is one fault line. there is one party for expanding access to tax credits and government subsidies to purchase private health insurance and there is another that has worked very hard to limit access to government-funded insurance and care. host: health care in campaign 2024 is our topic this morning. democrats (202) 748-8000,

republicans (202) 748-8001, independents (202) 748-8002. andrea ducas and dr. joel zinberg are our guests. andrea ducas with the center for american progress action. what is that? guest: where a nonpartisan think tank that works to advance progressive policy across united states. host: we mentioned at the top of paragon health institute. i know you also work with the center for committed -- for competitive enterprises. explain to viewers what those institutes do. caller: paragon is not -- guest: paragon is a nonprofit health research institute in washington dc and aims to improve american south by empowering patients and reforming government. the competitive enterprise institute is also a nonprofit think tank in washington, d.c. and is a libertarian think tank

that tries to improve government , limit its influence, and empower people and empower individual liberty. host: our guests are with us until the top of the hour at 9:00 eastern. start calling in. dr. rosenberg -- dr. zinberg, what happens to health care affordability and and access under a second trump administration? guest: there is a lot of handwaving about what will happen, but during the first administration health care access was pretty good. the trump administration tried to expand access by improving people's ability to choose the types of care that is best for them. that included things like short-term limited duration plans, association health plans, reimbursement arrangements. these are all things that give people improved ability to choose their plan.

the association health plan is way for small employers to band together and purchase insurance together as one big group that gives them a better price and incentivizes small businesses to provide insurance they would otherwise not be able to afford. the biden harris administration immediately reversed all of those lands and put them on hold and ultimately change the rules. i think you would expect to see more of that in a future trump administration. host: would you agree that health care access is pretty good in the first administration? guest: absolutely not. what was on the first trump administration was a relentless attempt to overturn the affordable care act and its many consumer protections. we also saw a former president intent on having roe v. wade overturned and who nominated justices who did exactly that.

you asked before about faultlines, and the biggest one is access to abortion and a women's right to choose. we also saw president trump an act pretty harsh roles early on in his tenure like the punch archewell which threatened people who were not citizens of the united states with deportation if they use public benefits. we saw medicaid enrollment decline as a result of that. we saw defunding of the people that actually help people access the marketplaces. we did see some attempt to introduce more transparency to the health care market, which was certainly a welcome change although has had limited impact. host: plenty of calls. kevin out of lakewood, washington. you're on with andrea ducas and joel zinberg. caller: i am one of those black

male callers that is supporting, harris from earlier. on health care, we should not trust any republican to do anything positive for people on health care. they've been trying to kill the aca ever since it has come out, and then you have the republican states not accept the aca and not implement it. you've had kentucky, unified idaho, you have people who are poor in these states put this on the ballot and when it gets to the people they vote for it. mr. zinn berg is saying -- dr. zinberg is saying people lie about their status in order to game the system and get benefits. i could see some of that happening because people are

desperate and the insurance companies have be people down over the years. denying people claims at the time they really needed the service. i would never trust a republican to have anything to do with health care. host: got your point. joel zinberg? guest: i thank you for your comments and question. i think you have to look at the campaign to increase government provided care. it is just a question of do you think government provided care is the answer to everything or would you rather have the choice of what kind of care you want. do you want to have to enroll in a plan that some bureaucrat in washington has decided is best for you or would you like to

choose the plan that is best for yourself? no one is talking about repealing the aca. there are things you can do to improve the aca. you can expand health savings account that allow people to take tax-advantaged money and then use it to decide what care is best for then and expand the type of things they can use it for. take part of the aca's subsidy and allow people to put that into their health savings account so they can then decide how to use that. you expand so of the other choices i talked about or do you want to have this self campaign, increased subsidies i talked about were enacted in 92 a1 -- those were enacted in the american rescue plan as though there was some emergency because of the pandemic. there was, then in 2022 when the pandemic was winding down those things were extended and now you

have a push to extend those subsidies permanently and that means $383 billion of spending over 10 years according to the cbo. we are in the middle of record deficits now. is that what we want? do we want part of the subsidies to be providing subsidies to people with more than 400% of the federal poverty line those subsidies now applied to. you have a family making close to a quarter of a million dollars. they are getting subsidies across the cbo of -- people with higher incomes are getting subsidies. is that what we want? people who can easily afford care on their own have to get subsidies from the government? they are getting subsidies for a type of insurance that has narrow networks, that is lower

quality than employer-provided care, but this is coming right from the kaiser family foundation and also from a paragon publication, these are extremely narrow networks were people find it hard to obtain care. less than 40% of the doctors in their area are in their marketplace. people cannot find a specialist who can treat their condition. host: i get the sense andrea that you wanted to jump in. guest: i will focus a little bit on the marketplace. there is so much to say. i think is interesting that so much of the conversation is about whether we subsidize care or access to insurance for people who do not have any other option that is affordable. individuals who cannot afford the job-based coverage if they haven't offered and those who might be self-employed or do not have access to any other health insurance.

we spent a lot more time subsidizing the job-based coverage. that is not free. that cost a lot of money. we made a decision as a society that that is a valuable thing to pay for just as we believe it is a valuable thing to pay for and helps in order to enable them to access care. we ought to believe that people who do not have that option -- some folks to get zero premium plans. others pay in. i want you to speech the experience and start a personal story. my floor -- my father works for small business. when my parents got divorced he did not have access to affordable health insurance. he had a cancer diagnosis and at that time the exchanges were set up and we could get him a plan. for him the experience was do

not get care or now we have the affordable care act and subsidized coverage and he could get care. it is remarkable that we are having this conversation about whether that is something a nation like the united states should be offering its citizens. guest: i think that is a little bit of a strawman. nobody is talking about abolishing that option. you're looking at a system where 92% of the people who get exchange plans are getting the subsidy. these are extremely unpopular plans. no one was signing on in the past and very few people are signing on now who do not get a subsidy. if these plans are so wonderful people would be flocking to them. you have gone from a situation where people in a certain income range were being asked to pay 1% to 2% of their income to purchase a plan and they did not think it was worth it. now that you're giving it to them for free they will sign up.

if it was not worth $30 or $40 a month coming out is being given away. it tells you a lot about the plan that is being pushed as opposed to alternative options with i have prescribed and making it easier for people to get through their employment. host: let me bring in colleen from california on the line for independents. caller: calling to chat a little bit about the affordable care act. taking a look at it from a middle-class persons framework. most people in california are middle-class. the affordable care you between $850 to $1000 a month to get it, especially if you are an independent contractor, a realtor, or a beautician. you cannot get on any other type of plan, you have to pay for that yourself. by suggesting -- my suggestion

is there is a sliding scale. i went on the affordable care act and i realized you are paying around $900 even if you do not include dental. most of my friends who are beauticians and realtors do not have insurance because they cannot afford it. then you have our governor who puts noncitizens on plans that is kind of destroying the middle class. what i would suggest is it should not ba sliding scale. if i paying 10% to 12% of my growth income, then i think maybe the millionaires and billionaires should be paying 10% to 12% and that extra money where they are paying 10% on -- let's throw out any millionaire. the bushes, the kennedys. that would help pay for the noncitizens on the plan.

it should not be a cap, anyone should feel the pain of paying this amount of money. guest: thank you so much for that question and that point and this speaks to the benefit of the subsidies wherever a certain percentage of income nobody at that level should be paying more than 8.5% of their income towards premiums. that was one of the things the enhanced subsidies fixed. before once you hit 100% of the federal poverty line you were eclipsed. people at 399% would get help, people at 400% and above would get nothing. now we have a situation where nobody at that level will be paying more than 8.5% of their income toward subsidies. in california -- states make different sores -- make different choices about who they want to provide expanding coverage to. i would agree that is important to actually make it such that

people can afford access to the plans. if i have insurance through my job it would be very expensive for me to pay the full cost of that premium for myself and my family alone. that is why there is such a limited take-up of cobra programs when people leave their jobs. there is a subsidy that allows them to pay -- to afford the coverage. i would agree it is important to make sure people have the support to afford that premium. host: dr. zinberg? guest: i would add that these are very heavily subsidized plans by the federal government. when you say you want the millionaires and billionaires -- i guess you are parroting the bernie sanders line, they are paying. the federal government is subsidizing all of these plans and they are doing it with revenue they collect via taxes.

we have the most progressive impact tax system in the world. that money is being collected and used. i think most americans would probably be surprised to learn that someone with 750% of the federal policy line needs a subsidy to buy health care. why can't they pay their fair share at that point? why are they on these plans they would not otherwise buy with the some sort of subsidy? one party once to let wasteful subsidies expire at the end of 2025 and the other ones to extend them permanently with a bowl of including as many people as they possibly can under government provided health care plan. host: let me bring in bradley in georgia. democrat.

it works better if you turned on your television. then we can hear you better. caller: i would say the original sin of tying your health care to the employer. i don't know why we did that. no other country in the world does that. kids younger than me, they want to burn all of this down. health care will cause the crumbling of the country. the prices for everything is unsustainable. we are thinking about subsidies. there is note -- the only way to solve the problem is to abolish the insurance industry. the doctors need to be making less money. look at this guy, they make millions of dollars.

we have to go to health care. backcountry is so sick. our country is on the brink. obamacare saved my life. it is trash except for two things. pre-existing conditions and the no limit on what your deductible is. because of that, if you are poor is fairly isn't. the people that make a little bit of money. host: how did it save your life? caller: i had a torn knee when i was 30 playing basketball. for two years i am limping around. i finally got the affordable care act and with surgery by february i had been my deductible. never mind the surgery, but i had a drug problem, so i was able to take the affordable care act and go through rehab with

nine months. they had to pay for all of that. i got nine months in california. host: bradley, thank you for sharing your story. dr. zinberg, do you want to start on that one? guest: no one is talking at this point about getting rid of the affordable care act but we are talking about the best way forward. there are things you can do to improve the current system that have bipartisan support. you could look at what is called site neutral payments we are wasting money because we pay more for the exact same services that are provided in a hospital setting then we do in the outpatient setting. you can perform the medicaid program. you could perform a medicare advantage program by improving or making it more flexible in

saving money by looking at the various benchmarks, the various bonuses that you get for quality that are probably not really warranted. so there are all kinds of things you can do to save money, but you don't have to improve the health care system overall by expanding this really unpopular government program. i am happy that the caller called in and told us the story and its a that he was able to obtain the care he needed, but how do you provide that care? that is really what we're talking about today. is it via this expansion, limitless expansion, because realize these are all heavily subsidized government programs and when you create government subsidies, invariably what happens, the premiums skyrocket in our deficit skyrockets. we have to face the music at some point. host: got the point.

the response? guest: two things here. first i want to challenge the notion that nobody is talking about getting ready the affordable care act. it is setting rules for the insurance system and it is also opening up new coverage pathways. one of the main things was instill consumer protection. i used to negotiate benefits. at that time you could be denied coverage for a pre-existing condition. 60% of them didn't cover maternity services. i have a young child, if the ad more than three year infections a year. that is what the affordable care act fixed. it also created a pathway to expand medicaid not only to young children or pregnant women or parents or caregivers, but a

very low income people who still have kids and it opened the affordable care act in marketplaces which contrary to this idea that they are unpopular, we learn from the department of treasury that what in seven americans have turned for coverage. that is amazing. i would not call that an unpopular policy. but to the caller's, we do have a significant issue in this country when it comes to health care prices. we also have a real challenge when it comes to health insurance deductibles. not only on the aca marketplaces, but for job-based coverage. they were introduced in little over 20 years ago and that is a significant issue and it has been really heartening to watch states like california, massachusetts, new mexico experiment with ways to actually use the marketplaces.

look for ways to lower coinsurance. one of the things these subsidies to limit how much people pay out-of-pocket, but we also need to be regulating, we are closing entity -- holding entity's account of who are competing fairly, not price gouging, looking for ways to actually bring prices down. guest: i'd like to point out, by the way, you just mentioned medicaid. much of the expansion in coverage from the aca came the other medicaid expansion. what most people don't realize is that is an expansion that requires the federal government to reimburse the federal matching amount, four percentage at 90% of the cost of the care as opposed to much lower amounts for the people who were traditionally in the medicaid program.

the people who the medicaid program was supposed to cover, was created to cover. single moms, moms with kids. now you have a 90% match rate for able-bodied adults. and as a result, states are taking that up and they are trying to for every possible service into that, and that is actually hurting the people who medicaid was traditionally created for. funds and programs are being diverted to these folks who really could be getting care other ways. this is kind of what i mean when i say it is a single-minded attempt to get as many people less possible into a better program. we published a paper dealing with reducing overtime, that matching rate back down the rate of all these states copy for which at the moment, if because

of it depends on the income of the state. it would save a lot of money, you would reinforce a program for the people for whom was originally intended, and then we would propose possibly lowering the floor so that richer states, which are taking advantage of these programs to fleece the federal government, essentially, they pay their fair share where you propose bringing the floor down to 40% which would affect a few wealthy states. host: about 20 left in 25 minutes this morning. new york, republican. caller: my issue is that you are so focused on people having insurance, but just having insurance does not mean people can slip or care. i have a family member who gets insurance through the exchange and can only afford a philanthropic plan.

they can afford to go and get an x-ray because it is so expensive. and also now this person qualifies for estate plan, now it is getting counseling, that was getting counsel for drug addiction. i just think there is a difference between having insurance and having the care, and that is what we have to make it, so the people can access care. guest: exactly right. if you have an insurance card that you can't use, what value is it? which is why it is important not only to be expanding access to coverage, but you want that coverage to be generous, comfort as comprehensive and not need care in and of itself. it has been heartening to see how these have been improved to experiment with lowering deductibles, with lowering coinsurance, seeing some of the

positive results. something that i love to see across the u.s. it's also why when people have access to expanded medicaid, they enroll. if they had the ability to get coverage elsewhere, i think they would do that the majority of people on medicaid work and they don't have access to affordable coverage outside of that one of the previous callers talked about how high health care prices are and again, that is a state problem. we can see how dramatic that growth has been in part i would say because of the rate of consolidation. so many markets in this country are heaven -- heavily consolidated. a big insurer, when that happens in markets generally, he starts the prices go up. something that actually needs to be addressed and it has been wonderful to watch the biden harrison street opus on that and look for ways to protect

consumers, to look for ways to bring prices down. but that is something that should be happening intended with coverage expansion. we also have to make sure the system is functioning well. guest: that's a really important point you've made that we focus on expanding coverage but not focusing on health. and there's really two aspects to that, to what i'm saying. first, all of these expansions under the affordable care act have been into plans that have extremely narrow networks where the enrollees, the patients find it very difficult to obtain care. so as i mentioned earlier, most of the expansion occurred the medicaid, which is notorious for having poor access to care. many physicians don't want to participate, many hospitals limit participation via centrifuge. number two, you have the

affordable care act marketplace plans which as i mentioned earlier, the kaiser family foundation and paragon have very narrow networks. people report having difficulty obtaining care. either there's no one in their network, no active participating physician, or even if there is a purchase fitting physician, good luck trying to get an appointment. it can take months because they are so overwhelmed, and particularly when you throw on all these able-bodied adults who now are clamoring for a spot that medicaid positions as well. strut the second aspect of a want to talk about is the single-minded focus on expanding coverage when in fact, insurance, while it is very important protecting people's financial health, their financial situations by protecting them against catastrophic expenses if god for bid they did very ill,

actually has a lot less to do without health than most people believe. the economic advisers where i work put out in the economic report of the president a help chapter back in 2018 talking about how important or unimportant health insurance is for health care, in the literature indicates it has a very minimal effect and probably only for certain groups. we are kind of updating that via forthcoming paragon paper that's going to look at the literature on how important insurance is for actually improving health. and again, it's far less than you would believe. what is important? people's behaviors, do they smoke, are they overweight, and they get healthy food? these are important things. these are the things that really influence our health much more so than whether they have insurance or not. again, i'm not saying they shouldn't have insurance.

insurance is important. obviously they've been getting health care, but the literature indicates that these other things are actually probably far more important. host: before we get too far into the segment, the idea of creating, developing and creating more medicine in this country and not relying on imports of medicine, donald trump has talked about using tariffs as a way to promote and stimulate more production of medicine in the united states. what are your thoughts on that? guest: one of the things that we struggle with here is shortages even of generic medications. that is a function of having not only to rely on outside suppliers but because outside suppliers are also so have the concentrated. host: in the region? guest: in terms of where they are produced and even the materials that go into production.

and even within the united states. just following the hurricane, iv bags, you might have one place that produces 60% of the countries iv bags. that is a problem especially when you have a climate where it is becoming more and more volatility driven. they spend some interesting models that would try to amp up production here. i think that's important. apart from spurring the production of medicine, is also the issue of just generally the price for medicine. one of the things that hopefully callers are aware of is that thanks to the inflation reduction act at the medicare program which is a very large provider of coverage in the country and now negotiates

prescription drug prices for their first time, the program is not able to do that before. and as a result leasing the prices decrease in 20 of the six from the negotiates prescription drug prices to go online. people are expected to save about $1.6 billion. in addition to looking for ways to ramp up to mentor production there's also a lot we could be doing to bring down the prices of pharmaceuticals, including not only through direct price initiation but by picking on issues like the patent system, the fact that so much money goes into producing drugs that provide no marginal benefit compared to what is out there now because the focus is on money, not on producing drugs that extend life supply better. there's a lot that we could be doing as a society to actually address the issue. host: on this production of medication. guest: there's really two things. they the production issue and where it's located. more than 90% of the active pharmaceutical ingredients come

from china, any the production of drugs, particularly generic comes from china and india far more than here. a supply-chain issue that we have to deal with. not merely a health issue, a national security issue. we don't want probably are foremost foreign enemy to maintain drug supplies. the second issue, dealing with drug pricing. everyone would like drug prices to come down, but the question is how you do that. do you do it by instituting a so-called negotiation program which is really just the government aiding prices because the companies are being told you accept our price or we take away everything you earn on this drug and more the attacks come or you have to exit the medicaid program.

it's not a negotiation in any normal sense of the term. many scholars have said that this is going to decrease the number of new jobs that we have. if you include an account for all of the failures only one in 10 drug that actually makes it through to the market and even all of those are practical. if you then deprive the manufacturers of the money to develop those new drugs they are going to develop less on r&d and they will develop fewer drugs and the university of chicago economist estimated 100 or fewer drugs in the coming decade. and that is particularly important because the way the inflation reduction act set up

this process, it disadvantages a small molecule drugs by imposing controls on them for years earlier than the biological drugs. oncology drugs, the drugs we used to treat cancers, are largely small molecule drugs. that means the companies are going to turn toward biologic drugs and making those drugs rather than the small molecule drugs and we are going to have a shortage of the drugs that president biden has said he really wants to develop. still it's going to have a decreased number of new drugs and they're going to be disproportionately the ones we want to treat cancers. host: about 10 minutes left, loretta, florida. ray doing today? how are you doing today? we look at the kimberly in california, good morning. caller: hi.

my experience with the affordable care act is similar to what dr. dash is saying. medical services. host: kimberly, i apologize your line is not coming through. you seem concerned about the affordable care act but i couldn't make out. i don't know if the -- you know what she was bringing up, i am. tom, republican, good morning. caller: thanks for taking the call. i'm a retired physician, basically forced out of business by obamacare. i got tired of telling people that you have a $10,000 deductible, not to mention the complications, the

documentation, submission of claims to the computer. they've made some good points. i would like to go in further and reduce the -- the big 800 hundred really you have in the room of the fact that we've got a huge way the massive die meeting -- kids can even get into the military because they are unfit. no insurance program is going to be able to cover it. we can argue politics, conservative or liberal. you can't argue arithmetic but some are just on pace for the crime disease that are exploding now even in their young population. it's just exploding my colleague

in the hospital, as soon as they are able to retire there leaving the physicians. -- possession -- profession. to say nothing about the lack of expensive things we have put the spring lab cover and equipment. changing your diet or lifestyle, why not focus on doing some preventative care and education? host: chronic disease, preventative care and also manpower shortage in the future.

guest: there's a lot to unpack and thank you for that. prevention chronic illness, we talked about education, behavior change. you are a physician. the ability to make out the traces already have they come right? center for american prevents constant good jobs, a walkable community, safe housing, not having exposure to lead or expressed as. you one high-quality education that enables you that and it

it's a nuisance relators they would say who is funding a public school? my mental patella -- protection help agency who is interested in building the kind of society were people can live long and healthy lives in there at less risk running these it's a different way to have this conversation about i think leaders hurt is an attempt to boost strategy areas in the visiting and said they are you

responsible for everything because it impacts health. let's look at what happens when the government gets involved. you have the nutrition pyramid, which falsely tells people that fat was the problem. eat more carbohydrates and as a result, people began consuming more calories, and we have an obesity epidemic. result of government intervention. you had the government with the agreement of various professional societies saying we were under treating pain. use more opioids. now we have an opioid pandemic, opioid crisis which is actually decreased the life expectancy in this country in a way we've never had an air history. over 100,000 people are dying of drug overdoses every year, and you can pull it right back to government intervention here. so the question is how do we want to do this? by saying the government should pay for everything, by saying we

ought to have rent controls so we could keep people in their homes? actually no, it actually makes it harder for people to get good homes. another government policy that is actually probably impairing her health we need to be looking at the causes of these chronic diseases, and adjust where we need to go. we can't be focusing on trying to strive everything into health and claiming that is actually health there. we get a focused merely on expanding coverage into plans that are that make it difficult people to access health care. we need to be focusing on the chronic diseases that are the this country. host: time for maybe one more phone call. interlocking michigan, independent. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. my question goes back to a previous point that was made two or three minutes ago, and it is

in regards to the negotiation of pharmaceutical pricing. and i guess the question goes down to referring to the fact that this is going to just take everything and companies can develop the drugs. regards to the pricing, how does that sit with what they say companies charge for europe or australia which i understand is a much overprice, where does that fit into this pricing model waiting for the money to be able to develop these trucks. depressing goes year of solesky will have to cover with the pressing here in the states. guest: there's no question we

have what is called a free rider problem where americans care most of the cost of developing the drugs and paying for them, and we need to address that problem. european countries have strict -- most of them have strict price negotiation problems, and what happens is partly as a result they get access to the same drugs either later or at a much slower manner than we did in this country. so we get the benefits of the drugs more quickly. how do you want to solve that problem, the approach of the lasted this treasure matures these regulatory barriers so you can get more generics approved, or branding drugs approved. where his situation were more than one in -- excuse me, 90% of

the drugs we use in this country are generic so we actually pay less for those generics here than they do in europe. that is because they move together to get drugs approved more quickly and most people realize in 2018, drug inflation was actually negative. i'm not talking about real terms, i'm talking about novel terms you bring your generations, bringing new brands of drugs and biologics and by assemblers on more quickly, and you will get competition. you will get the generics. no question you want to make it easier for those things to get on the market and that does require more effort and hopefully will be seeing more of that in the future. you dictate the prices.

even thou this is highly touted, those drug prices are not going into effect for another two years. so we haven't seen any of that yet. guest: to that point, other countries make different decisions about how they pay for pharmaceutical drugs. i want to just push back on this idea that negotiations going to innovation take us to a time where we have fewer and fewer important drugs being developed. a couple of years ago, somewhere between 40% and 80% of all new drugs provided either marginal or no benefit relative to what was already on the market. right now as we are designed to maximize the production of profit, that look like trying to get a drug approved that might be something really small but has the potential to generate a

lot of revenue. another form of innovation meant to say this is how much we are paying, how much we want to pay for this type of drug. spend your own money doing something truly innovative, bringing something brand-new to the market. that is a way to think about it. additionally there was a congressional report that found that some of the top pharmaceutical firms spend more money on classified facts and dividends than we did. i think you should say something when you have a political candidate encouraging other countries to withdraw the citizens -- system they have in place. joining us our roundtable andrew dugas and the center for american progress action and dive into rosenberg of the paragon health institute and

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you know about events today on the c-span networks. two events particularly having to do with the u.s. army. up first at 11:30 a.m. eastern time, it is the army secretary christine warmest and general randy george at a press conference from the association of the united states army annual meeting. again, live 11:30 a.m. eastern time on c-span, c-span.org, and the free c-span now video app. this afternoon at 1:30 p.m. we will bring you a panel discussion on women leadership in the army. you can watch that here on c-span, c-span.org, and the free c-span video app. and now your phone calls. any public policy that is on your mind. barbara is up first in cleveland, ohio. i'm sorry, charles in chester, virginia, democrat. you are up first. caller: yes, good morning. thanks for having me on. c-span is a very valuable message.

and we need to be able to get people on who have an understanding of what is at stake. the black men, a number of them calling in, and they have very serious issues but they do not seem to understand that a lot more is at stake. and the future of this country is at risk. it is not about getting a check. it is not about, will i have enough money to buy an extra can of this or that? it is about this country's future. if you don't have a government that is willing to provide the services that people need, and we have already had donald trump trying to overthrow the government. it should be a real wake-up call to everybody that your issues don't matter.

if you don't have a government, you won't have an issue. and the number of people and organizations who are working against this government are growing exponentially. we have to take action, and we have to do something to enlighten the people that your future, your social security, your medicare, the things you take for granted will not exist as we know it. and we need to find a way to wake up the populace and get some of these idiots off of tv who are just talking about i want a check. host: that is charles in virginia. this is barbara in ohio on the line for republicans. go ahead. caller: good morning. i had hoped to talk to dr. zinberg and ask him a question but i will just know this out here. someone had called in regarding educating people on nutrition. well, this -- snap card lets

people buy chips and cookies, soda, all of this junk food. so talk about people getting sick, the government is allowing it. now, on wic, for women and children, you are required to buy healthy food. so i don't understand this whole process. i know the farm bill has something to do with it, but i am not exactly sure what. that is my comment. host: barbara in ohio. this is nicki in new york, independent. good morning. caller: good morning, john. first of all, i would like to complement you because you called out a guy who calls like every two weeks. calls like, hello, are you saying something?

host: just listen through your phone. we are hearing you. what is your comment in open forum? what public policy do you want to talk about? caller: public policy. one what is the difference how we can expect results of sports contests without attacking referees, without calling about conspiracy theories because your team lost? why are our sports venues more acceptable than our election results? and how long has this been going on? we don't shoot referees, do we? do we attack the other team? this is out of hand, and i would just like to say i am afraid there will be a lot of violence in this election. i'm going to stay out of it. host: are you going to vote? caller: oh, absolutely.

absolutely. i knew who i was going to vote for. i know. i vote for what i know, what i was taught as a child. host: what candidate are you going to vote for as an independent? caller: absolutely kamala harris. i would have voted for a sack of squirrels. host: that was nikki. this is virginia and houston. good morning. caller: good morning. i was just calling to comment about the medical problems that the guests were just commenting about. host: yes, ma'am. caller: we have a fire authority over all physicians, and we need to include him in our medical plan here on earth. so many people come in with aches and pains to their doctors, which the doctors are

getting tired of hearing about little aches and pains. we need to learn to pray about our x and pains to the physicians before we go to of earthly physicians. and when people get the way of life straight and realize who they are and they are children of god and they can go to him for a lot of their problems, and that will help the situation a lot. pills only make the need for another pill and another pill. people are getting addicted. we need to come to our heavenly father. the problem with our problem today, we have to realize they are trying to do away with our rights for a godly christian nation. and that is what they want to do away with. host: got your point. that was virginia. this is rita in the keystone state. good morning. caller: good morning. i just want to say when donald

trump was running for president in 2020, when black voters went with joe biden, he is trying to do everything he can to stop black people from voting. people were killed for trying to demand the right to vote and then you have these idiots out here praising trump like he is so great. and they are dumb enough to think he would pick one of them to be his vice president. the republicans are so desperate to hang onto power they would vote for a criminal. host: rita, why do you think the polling is showing that kamala harris is doing worse among black men right now than joe biden did in 2020? donald trump's numbers with black men creeping up to 20% in that latest poll. that is about five points better than he was doing back in 2020. caller: i am not sure about the polls. these days, they don't even answer the phones because they get spam calls.

that might have called me but i did not get a chance because i was not sure if this was a spam call or not. i just wanted to say donald trump is nothing but a criminal. people have to be pretty desperate. you have these republican men in congress and senate that have women that have more guts than them like cassidy hutchinson. they are willing to stand up for what is right. but these men in the congress and senate, they are spineless and need to get a backbone. thank you. host: this is anthony in minneapolis. independent. good morning. caller: good morning, john. thank you for taking my call. thank you, c-span. these allow me a moment to express my opinions here. i was just wanting to call in when black men were calling in earlier. however, i was working in the hospital in the emergency department where i work full-time, and i also wanted to call in on your last segment. but touching on a few things here, maybe you can fact-check

me as we go and show your audience these things. host: what it you just go ahead with your comment? caller: you got it. donald trump is holding a majority of his rallies in sundown towns. as the gentleman earlier called from georgia and stated about fort smith, georgia, a historically racist town. donald trump is holding a rally in minnesota, duluth, minnesota, in fact, where three people were lynched publicly and more than 10,000 people attended the lynching publicly. donald trump also blocked president obama's portrait being unveiled until biden got in office. the question that you just asked the last caller regarding support for black women, black men have always had a disgruntled lack of support for black women overall until it is a pushing point, so to say there. some of these individuals do not understand her lifetime accomplishments. that is another problem. if you look at the previous trump administration with the

congressional black caucus, they dissolve because of a lack of support and being refused meetings with the trump administration. during the trump administration, he only had black employees in his administration that have been ben carson. he went back to supporting black republicans which are black men in federal penitentiary. they have also blocked the george floyd policing act. they blocked the john lewis voting act. i don't understand why black people are not looking at this. the crown act. if you look at that, 24 for republican states have blocked the crown act. if you look at the discrimination during covid where recently black farmers were getting too billion dollars because of the discrimination they experienced, that is another thing. you tell me before i get off of

here, please tell me why donald trump spent $11 trillion while in office and has nothing to show for it and people are talking about rising prices. that is probably because biden has about half of that since he has been in office. host: anthony in minneapolis. we will stay in the twin cities. jan is in st. paul. good morning. caller: good morning. good morning. i am calling because i am so, i don't know, not concerned. it is just disgusting what has happened in our politics. i cannot believe that people are allowed to stand up and run for president and denigrate so many people. i mean, it is ridiculous what is happening in this country. you know, i grew up during the civil rights movement. and i watched people die for the right to vote.

for all people to have that right. it is not ok to designate certain people as people and bad -- as people and bad. they need to get back to the basic moment of supporting people in our own country and helping them to achieve their dreams. or if they don't have the ability to have big dreams, helping them achieve a sense of independence. i mean, i used to call john lewis' office when trump was president because of my great concerns. i think people need to sit down and really consider whether they want to hate other people because of what someone else has said about them. host: that is jan in st. paul.

sal in new jersey, republican. good morning. caller: yes, good morning. i would just like to say how we talked about the military-industrial complex. i would like to talk about the food industrial complex, about what the man talked about when dr. zinberg was on the tv show before, the program before. why does the food industry make all of these chips and cereal like froot loops and all of these other lousy foods with sugars and preservatives and chemicals inside that is poisoning our kids and our people? why don't they ban them? why don't they restrict them? i think the medical profession is in cahoots with them because they know if they ban them, the people will be healthier, and the medical professional will be out of business. they should cooperate more, the food manufacturers and the medical profession, to make people healthier. host: where do you get your

food? caller: i get my food at costco and shoprite and stop & shop. i make sure when i get them is healthy food -- them it is healthy food. i encourage my two sisters. encourage them to get healthy food for their kids. host: that is sal in new jersey. this is joe, florida, independent. good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i have been looking at and doing research on both parties and the statements that are made both by democrats, including kamala harris and donald trump. when i look at both sides, what really gets me is that the democrats make a lot of statements like donald trump is unfit for president, but they

don't back it up by facts that they can say the fact and i can look it up and find out if it is true. when i tuned in to, say, fox news, which tends to be republican or lean to the right, not only do they make statements about the left or the democrats, but they will also back it up by facts that you can either look up online or in the newspaper. i think there is a lot of comments that are made against former president donald trump that are not true. the democrats will have a tendency to do that. i like the fact that donald trump is very clear. i know that he is not a politician.

he is a businessman. he is not going to come across as being a well polished speaker. he is a matter-of-fact person. he says it as it is. and some people may find that coarse or not nice to listen to. but he does have a clear vision to get our country back, including the tax cuts. host: you say not a politician. he was president for four years. you think he still counts as not a politician? caller: i meant to say his background. i should have clarified that. you are correct. that is my bed. he was our former president. he was a politician. but i am saying his background was not really in politics. his background is in business. but yes, ok, that was my mistake. host: that is ok. it is open forum. joe is in florida and our last

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he is the race and ethnicity research director at pew research. before we dive into the various parts of that report, latino, let's start there. define what it means to be latino in america today and is that word interchangeable with hispanic? guest: by the federal government, it is. there is a definition that defines who is part of this group. if anybody can trace their roots to spain or spanish-speaking latin american countries. hispanic and latino are used interchangeably and that is a standard omb used for government documents. however, it is going to about 65 million people, almost one in five americans by the way. many people.have different viewpoints on this some people prefer hispanic. some people prefer latino. some people prefer other terms like latinx, which are terms used to describe the community.

people have different choices. at pew research, we use them interchangeably. host: one in five americans are latino or hispanic. what is the turnout rate for the latino population in america compared to other ethnic populations? guest: yes, estimates from the census bureau the turnout rate for latinos at 50% to 55% depending on the election. by comparison, for black americans, you will see a turnout rate of 65% to 67%. similarly for white americans. asian americans are about the same turnout rate as latinos. interestingly, among latinos, the turnout rate is higher among those that are immigrants compared to those born in the united states, yet it is those born in the united states that make up the bulk of the voter pool of latinos every election cycle. host: why is that? why are immigrants more likely to vote? guest: they have taken the step to become a u.s. citizen. there is a lot of hard work.

also, if you other things as well, but voting is part of the motivation for some people to become naturalized citizens. host: the headline of the report, latino voters preferences mirror that of 2020. where do the voters fallout in terms of who they are likely to be picking at the ballot box? guest: vice president harris is leading among latino voters this year. this is a poll admittedly from september but 57% at the time said they would vote for kamala harris if the election was held today versus 39% saying the same for donald trump. what we have seen here is these numbers particularly for trump are not much different from what we saw in 2020 when he won about 36% of the latino vote. the reason i am saying it is similar is because we cannot distinction between whether he has made some gains or not statistically. more recent polls from the new york times or others do show a very similar race with

donald trump doing at least as well as he did in 2020. host: when you say the preferences mirror 2020, are we talking but the top issues in the minds of latino voters? guest: the democrats have leads. biden won a majority of this apartment from has not lost ground among them since 2020 .what are host: what are the top issues on the mind of voters? guest: prices of food. something they will consider in determining their vote. but it is interesting because when you look at the brink of issues by trump supporters or harris supporters among latino voters, among trump supporters, the economy is the top issue, 93% say that will be the top tissue, followed by violent crime and immigration. that is interesting because the top three issues for latino harris supporters, 80% say the economy but that is followed by

health and gun policy. immigration is much further down the list so we are seeing a different set of issues based on who they are voting for. by the way, that is the same for the american voting public. host: immigration one of their top issues. going through this report this morning in this last 30 minutes of "washington journal" today. mark hugo lopez our guest with us. a special line for latino voters. that number, (202) 748-8003. especially want to hear from you in this segment. otherwise, phone lines as usual split by political party. republicans, (202) 748-8001. democrats, (202) 748-8000. independents, (202) 748-8002. what are the other topline findings from this report? guest: when you take a look at how strong the support is among latino voters for trump, 70% of latino voters tell us their vote for trump is a vote for trump, not a vote against terrorist. when you look at latino harris

supporters, they see the boat is against trump and not simply a vote for harris. this again mirrors 2020. if you look at where it was in 2020, half of the voters said they were voting for biden. host: do you find that is different for latino voters than other ethnic groups on this question? guest: it looks very similar. it is interesting we talk about latino voters as a group, but in some ways they are not distinct from the u.s. general public. host: the question that we begin our program with today, focusing on the tina voters here, but it was donald trump's gains among black men specifically. you follow all of these topics at the pew research center. what do you make of that, that donald trump is doing better with black men -- that kamala harris is doing worse with black men than joe did against donald

trump in i think we need to see what happens on the election day. but certainly the polls are showing that kamala harris is not doing as well as say joe biden when it comes to black men. there's a number of possible issues print everything from black men but other men as well feeling as if the democrats, critically harris and biden haven't necessarily paid attention to the issues that are important to them. such a stomach sent it may feel up being ignored. it may also be about the economy. men have had some challenges in the economy particularly if you don't have a college degree. those groups are overrepresented among black and hispanic americans. that may also be part of the story driving some of the gender differences. guest: do you think it's because of where the battlegrounds are whether it's focus on black voters in a state like michigan, latino voters in arizona. guest: those accentuate what we just talked about as it may be a challenge around the working class and those particularly you

don't have a college degree. >> latino voters is the focus of the segment of the washington journal. we have that line for latino voters. 202-748-8002 --202-748-8003. alex's on that line out of brooklyn. good morning you are on. >> good morning. things were taking my call. it's interesting that you have the segment of black voters and now hispanic voters. i read the new york times article yesterday about black voting it was interesting how any black men disagree with the polls and are supporting harris. but at the same time i think it's very wrong in thinking hispanics that are voting for harris are not concerned with immigration. if you're hispanic and don't see a lot of the problems with immigration it might not be an

issue. a woman with four or five kids in a shelter not too far and hispanics are concerned about immigration. and i think, when i look at where we are just listening to republicans speak yesterday about the denial of so many things and hispanics still voting for donald trump, it just gives me pause and concern. here's a man talking about immigrants eating pets, his vice president pick saying he is lying about hurricane relief, you have people talking about controlling the weather. i think no matter what happens we've pretty much lost because you have people who cannot see reality. host: let me pause there. guest: great points about

immigration. let me be clear about immigration and harris supporters. 51% of hair supporters in our survey said immigration was important to determining their vote in the election cycle. it is important to both sides of the aisle. latino voters have told us they are concerned about many aspects of immigration policy in recent years. in the january survey we found 60% of latino boulder -- voters said it would be better if we had more judges to adjudicate asylum cases. one third said it would be better if those who are in the country illegally were deported. a number of different points of view and that's what's important to realize this year is theirs a diversity of views. >> good morning. >> good morning. my question is geared towards two things. one is the economy. my family came here in the 60's

and one of the reasons they came in was for work and making a living. today as a child, we are very industrious people but the problem is as you said earlier the prices of everything is going up. so how much do you think that will determine whether we vote democrat or republican? my second question is more what percentage of the latino vote makes up the electorate? we know it's been growing over time so what percentage does it make up of the electorate. >> those are really great questions. there are 36.2 million latinos who are at least 18 years of age. that means they are eligible to vote. that makes up about 14.7% of potential voters pretty of course as i mentioned earlier in the show latinos have lower rates than groups. if you look in 2020 among voters only 10% were latino all among those who did not vote, a 20%

were latino. we were overrepresented among nonvoters but underrepresented among voters. that is the top issue latinos have been pointing to for some time. interestingly latinos are also split on whether or not trump or harris would be better at taking care of the economy. so when you talk about the economy for latinos, prices, inflation and housing costs have all been top of mind for latino voters in this election cycle. >> we can put the numbers on the screen about the eligible voter population and the expected makeup of eligible voters. the last point here lightly more than half of latinos are eligible to vote. how does that compare with other groups? >> you have more than 70% of black and more than 70% of white populations eligible to vote. typically because they are older with fewer immigrants among those paid and if they're born

in the united states they have u.s. citizenship. for latinos and asians you'll find significant shares. are ineligible to vote. because they don't have citizenship. >> this is reina in texas. reina, good morning. are you with us? go ahead. guest: thank you -- caller: thank you. i am from cuba and i came here legally. and my concern right now is the immigration and of course the economy. and all the other issues that are happening now with the democrats. i am voting for trump because i am tired of being just segregated because i am spanish or cuban. and i have never received any handouts, i follow all the legal rules, vaccinations, everything, you name it. and yes i am very pro-trump with

the ones that come in illegally and getting all the benefits. i'm concerned with the schools. everything that's happening with the schools. so if i vote for kamala, what it means to me going back to what cuba was or is. so that's the comment. >> thank you for the comment and it's important to note we are in a moment with a number of immigrants living in the country illegally has been rising in recent years. if you follow what's been happening at the border you know there's been record numbers of encounters at the border with people coming to seek asylum. still the number of immigrants in the country illegally remains below the peak that we saw in 2007 and many of those are in the country have protections to be in the country for example many have temporary protected status which is a status offered to those who came to the country perhaps illegally but because of a disaster in their home country.

you also have others who are here and protected because of asylum or many other reasons. you look at the population of those in the country illegally it has grown. you also see many americans expressing your point of view which is immigrants are, to the country illegally appeared to be receiving more support than perhaps even those who are living in the same communities where those immigrants are. >> c-span viewers familiar with the candidates talking about immigration on the campaign trail. two recent events per donald trump in pennsylvania speaking about immigration and the economy and then we will follow that with kamala harris at a forum for latino voters sponsored by univision talking about immigration as well. [video clip] >> so i gave you as you know the largest tax-cut in the history of our country and the largest regulation of companies that hire so many people. we had the biggest employment

numbers in the history of our country. everybody was working whether they went to the best schools and colleges and got doctorates and or whether they couldn't graduate from high school. men, women, the black community, the hispanic community. the asian community. every single group, not one was left behind. and the best ones in terms of proportionately were low income people, they did the best. by the way you have an invasion of people into our country in not including got a ways, more than 21 million people. nobody has any idea how many there are. they will be attacking and they already are the black population jobs. the hispanic population jobs. and they are attacking union jobs too. and they are all pouring in. so when you see the border it's not just a crime, your jobs are

being taken away. [video clip] >> i will put my record up against anyone in terms of the work i have always done and will always do to ensure we have a secure border. which is why i also mention then in the context of an earlier question about the border security bill. i was just in arizona at the border. i spoke with the border patrol. leaders there, to your point there working around-the-clock. and they need more support. 1500 more border agents would've gone to the border. except donald trump got in the way of that bill. many months ago which would mean those many months of more resources going to help those very agents you are talking about. many months of what could have been happening right now in terms of fentanyl resources in stopping the flow of fentanyl which we know is killing people.

every day in america. the trafficking issue and again work i have done and care deeply about. so my pledge to you is that by the grace of god and hopefully with your support as well. when i am elected president i will bring back that border security bill and i will sign it into law. host: mark hugo lopez, what do you want to pick up from those clips? guest: border security remains a concern for latinos as it was interesting to hear both talking about border security but also the challenge around jobs. particularly for black voters but also hispanic voters. there's long been the story that immigrants coming to the united states weather here illegally or not are perhaps taking jobs americans want and that's one of the concerns you find many economists starting to see if there is an impact in the labor market. some of the analysis is mixed on this but it does not mean the

public isn't feeling that perhaps they are competing now with a large number of people for not only jobs, but housing and so much more. host: donald trump use the number 21 million illegal immigrants in the country. that number gets disputed. what do you think is the best data on how many illegal immigrants are in the country. >> our most recent estimate put it at about 11 million or so but that number is rising. the trend we have begun to see a rise. many other organizations coming in at around 10.5 to about 11.5 million. we also look at what's happened more recently at the border, the number of people who entered illegally over recent years there's no doubt the number is rising. the data as shared with you is from 2022. host: you are on with mark hugo lopez of pew research center. caller: yes, my name is guillermo. how are you? host: doing well, what is your

question or comment. caller: listen to me. the history of this world, when the people came from other places they called this the new world. the people they found here are native indigenous people to this land. whether they are called latinos or hispanic, they remain indigenous to this land. just because i speak english that does not mean i'm english. ethnicity is not judged by the language you speak. you're not hispanic and you're not latino, you are indigenous to this land. you are native american because america north, america central, america south. host: back to this definition. guest: thank you and i appreciate the point of view you

are absolutely right that many people in this population we refer virtuous hispanic or latino are people who trace their roots to the indigenous people and cultures of the americas and some very strongly so. in my case that is the same for me. my roots are in central mexico. including spanish but importantly also indigenous roots as well. >> this is miriam out of texas. good morning. >> i live two miles away from the border and every time the word immigration pops up into our political discourse a little trigger of racism starts to like -- i start thinking about how people are so racist. i live two miles away from the border and i don't see any crimes, i don't see a lot of racist like donald trump says. unfortunately in our group of

hispanics we have those that want to pull others down. and that's unfortunate because we are allowing a politician to divide our group even more. because donald trump is saying that immigrants are taking the jobs away but then again there's not a lot of people that want to work in the business or all those businesses where you get dirty. so the immigrants are doing all of those jobs. what i wanted to ask is how accurate are the polls. right now it is october. every election year there always sending us the message the trump is getting all of these numbers, but compared to the last election how accurate were the polls? >> that's a great question. where latino voters were in 2016, where they were in 2020

and reiterate where we are today. in 2016 when hillary clinton and donald trump were competing they thought hillary clinton winning two thirds of latino voters according to the study while donald trump one about 28%. in 2020, abide winning 61% to trump's 6%. and more recently if you look at our polls, kamala harris was at about 57% and donald trump is at about 38%. that all suggested some of trumps gains among latinos has endured. at least through the last couple of election cycles. in some ways we've been here before. in 2004, george bush winning latino support and all the way back to the 1980's you saw ronald reagan winning about 35% of latino voter support. it can happen but are public and presidential candidate can win a significant share of latino voter support. will this continue, it remains to be seen. one of the things the polls are showing this time around is a

pretty consistent pattern for latino voters but we have to see what happens on election day. host: how big is the undecided latino population compared to undecided in the rest of the country. guest: it's about the same, about five or 6%. latinos in some ways look at just -- look like other americans. host: good morning braden caller: good morning -- good morning. caller: my question is why as latino voters as a group, why exactly and what is the issues while you're voting for trump. trump is running under a banner where he is appealing to non-latino voters saying he is going to close the border, and so forth, so my first question is why exactly or what are the reasons why you are voting for

trump. my second reason is i feel kamala harris, the reason why no one of any race particular wants to vote for her is because she is specifically wavering on the issues. she goes back and forth. sometime she goes one way, she won't savings another way. so it's really a confusing election to me for voters of any race particularly groups of minorities and also they just seem to pander to us during the election season asking for our votes and then we have to live for years where citizens are not just denied. >> mark hugo lopez. >> so first i would say not all latino voters are saying there can vote for donald trump. kamala harris is likely to win

the majority of latino voter support. however, a couple of reasons why you might find some with tino's supporting donald trump, the reasons are varied. folks saying the economy was better under donald trump and it was under biden. also as you heard some of the earlier callers mention, for some illegal immigration continues to be a concern and an issue. there's a number of reasons why you might find some voters supporting trump. latino voters are a large group. up to 36 million voters. they have distinct points of views, they are different and pending on where you are and latinos are in every corner of the country you might find different perspectives about policy issues in the presidential candidates. guest: here's -- host: there is a chart that goes with this. latino voters and religion in the 2024 presidential election. 65% of latino protestants say they plan to vote for donald trump. while harris has the majority

support among hispanic catholics and religiously unaffiliated hispanic. >> there's long been a leaning towards the republican party among evangelical protestants but particularly protestant latinos and that's not new. it's something we've seen for many election cycles. often tied to issues like abortion. however on the others. those who are unaffiliated are often times young people who recently have come of age and one of the interesting trends and latinos generally is the share who is catholic is in decline. 43% of latino adults say they are catholic. what's growing is a 30% unaffiliated. as far as the young people coming-of-age not eligible to vote but looking like other young americans in many respects. >> the line we are setting aside for latino voters otherwise phone lines as usual. about 10 minutes left in our program today with mark hugo

lopez of pew research center. this is joseph in new jersey. republican. good morning. >> good morning. listening to some of these people calling up i am like i cannot believe it. the girl before said non-latino voters what to kick out illegal aliens. non-latino photos are american. i don't know why your guest and everybody else can just call it americans if you are here legally. my grandmother came here in 1930 from ireland. not too long ago 1930's i couldn't vote in ireland -- my mother never taught me to be irish. i was american. american. do they have polls for what irish-americans who they are voting for. some of these latinos i used to be a city bus driver in manhattan. they been here since 1950 and they still speak spanish. when are they going to assimilate and become americans. host: mark hugo lopez.

guest: we found this in our surveys about identities. many latino subscribed to the idea of what makes the united states the united states, they believe in the value of hard work, and the american dream and while they may feel that things are perhaps not as bright as they have been just 10 years ago do find latinos are among the most likely to express the views and attitudes that you would associate with the american dream. in many ways latinos are just as american as any other american. also the majority of latinos are u.s. citizens. 75% are u.s. citizens. we talk about the citizenship of this population. it is largely a u.s.-born population and largely a population that sees itself as american. >> the american dream it often makes good conversation we are chatting with viewers. the -- does the pew research center avocet definition of what the american dream is asking people about it. guest: we ask about different

aspects that are often associated with it. such as owning a home or business. having a better future for your children or the value of hard work. those are some elements of it. we've also asked latinos what the next iteration will be better off. if they think they've achieved the american dream and immigrant latinos are overwhelmingly more likely to say they have achieved the american dream often times by being able to have a better life, that's why they came to the country. host: judy in colorado thank you for waiting. >> i would just like to say that i do not agree with trump's maca brand make america great again. he wants to take our country back to the old days when you would go into a restaurant and it would say no mexicans or dogs allowed. i just am flabbergasted that a latino would ever give a vote to trump when he thinks of us as less than human. the other thing i resent is he

says immigrants are taking jobs that we want. i do not want to work in the fields, i do not want to work as a maid or as a waitress. i thought that those jobs are not that those jobs are demeaning or anything it's just that i have a better education than that and so i aspire to be more than that. but he acts like that's all we are capable of. i just think he is so bad for the country in so many ways. he can never tell the truth and he does not care about our country he only cares about himself. host: what do you want to pick up from there. guest: one of the things we get asked about was how well or which candidate the latino voters feel would do better on the economy to immigration to a whole range and on all issues kamala harris scene is the better candidate on all those issues with the exception of foreign policy and the economy where the assessment is essentially the same.

when it comes to the candidates and how the candidates are seen whether or not they are down-to-earth, whether or not they represent people like them. kamala harris and all the issues we asked about their own the sense of what characteristics they have, alaris was seen as the candidate that has the characteristics more so than donald trump. host: one of our callers in his cuban-american. what's the history of cuban-americans leaning more towards the republican party than other segments of the hispanic population. guest: cuban-americans have a unique history when it comes to the united states. partly it's about what happened in the 1960's in cuba and folks coming since then but in the 1980's ronald reagan went to visit south florida went particular to a particular restaurant in south florida to engage with the community of people who are quote unquote

exiles from cuba. that connection, that sort of moving forward policy issues related to relations with cuba has long been one of the ways in which republicans have been able to engage with the cuban-american population. in south florida did much the same in terms of engaging on policy issues relevant to cuban-americans but also relevant to those who could vote. and others as well. so there's unique tailoring of message may be important for helping people to win south. host: do you know what the restaurant he went to? guest: versailles. it is still there. if you ever get a chance i encourage you to go. >> stephanie is waiting, good morning. >> good morning mr. lopez was watching, i was wondering whether or not you ever heard the term probationary white.

the way my understanding is that when people come to this country they sort of put themselves on probation in a way like they think that if they vote the way white people would want them to vote they will be more accepted as white or more american than they would be from their own country. thank you. guest: it's very interesting idea. i have not heard the phrase but i have heard of the idea that this is something that happened among immigrant groups not just latinos but others as well. we have it's not something we've taken a look at. but i've certainly heard many talk about that in some ways many latinos who might be voting for trump, they say they might be doing so in order to move a particular way. we haven't done any research on this but it is an interesting question. >> the pew research center does

a lot of research on a lot of different things and we use it a lot here on the washington journal. thanks for all the work that you do. mark hugo lopez is the race and ethnicity research director at pew research of course. appreciate it. host: that's good to do it for our program today but we will be back tomorrow morning at 7:00 a.m. eastern paid 4:00 pacific. in the meantime have a great monday. ♪ [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2024] >> here's a look at some of our live coverage today. at 11:30 eastern, christine warm us will host a press conference in conjunction with the

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