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the 2024 race represent virginia in the u.s. senate took part in a debate hosted by 80 like tv and newsnation among the topics discussedere the economy, abortion and u.s. support for foreign countries like israel and ukraine. this race was rated lid democrat by the cook political report. the two candidates raised more than $18.7 million up to the court or before the debate was held. >> the u.s. senate run through virginia. the longtime democratic senator wants another term. sen. kaine: i'm proud of what i've done and there's more i want to do. >> the republican challenger hung cao said he is ready to take a seat. >> tim kaine has been in office for 30 years period he saying give me six more. i don't think we buy that right now. >> tonight and they're only televised debate, the candidates take on the challenges virginians face daily. >> i don't see a competing

economy in a world that has done with the u.s. is done and we have exceeded our own expectations. exceeded around expectations. >> which candidates will you trust which candidates share your views in your dreams for our economy in which ones will feed and keep your family safe. >> a good evening from the nation's capitol and i'm host and is to be night and we are focused on two men with a very different views on border security, women's rights, in the future of an economy so many of us are struggling with braided moderating tonight's debate the end albritton anchor w enrichment and anchor and cox 43 and you were able to watch the debate across the country news nation that i was on every television market in every county in virginia, wavy-tv and newsnation, and before we get to the questions, here are the rules, senator tim kaine and

hung cao will have 60 seconds and is a question if there's a follow-up question, a rebel you will have 30 seconds. to respond when the time is upcoming you will hear the spell. these candidate how will have 30 seconds for closing statement and out, live from norfork state university going it is debate night in virginia. >> welcome to live audience that you can see that we have here that they are showing up in past and eager for tonight we have told all reaction and the response of the candidates until the very end a good evening candidates on deanna albritton. >> event on looking at to a very informative our in a discussion of virginia's most important issues at a very spirited debate from both candidates the anna. >>

let's get started with big news here involving one of the busiest ports on the east coast. the workers here are among the 45,000 in america now on strike, which could cripple our economy heading into the election on the holiday season. you have won the coin toss, so we will start with you. if you are in the negotiating room, what would a good deal look like to you, you have 60 seconds? mr. cao: thank you for having us here. the economy is hitting us all the same way, that's why the ila is doing a boycott right now and going on strike. ask yourself this question, are you better off today than you were four years ago? if you are a military person are you better off today than four years ago question mark if you are in law enforcement, are you better off today than four years ago? if your family is struggling to put food on the table, are you better off today than you were four years ago? the answer across the board is no. the board is no come the only people better

off today than they were four years ago i illegal aliens, criminals, and senators like senator tim kaine. and we spend billion dollars a day to house and feed illegal aliens. i want to make sure the students at it is you when they are graduating, you know they have a future to walk into with you to grab onto the market big the way i did this when i'm going to fight for, all americans became your legally own americans i grew up here. >> thank you mr. hung cao for explaining that we will get to immigration later. we did ask, if you were in the negotiation room, over the port strike will be to get deal look like to you your 36th event governing because of the inflation and demented inflation is going on right now and this and cometh just like with hurricane this going on right now, this happened to the east coast, where his leadership, joe fight it is of the and kamala harris is with a bunch of billionaires doing a fundraiser

and hung cao is a big breasted birth leadership and if it is testing to do with three crane, there albritton admits about illegal aliens all of it if you're the american you are on your own. >> thank you tony and senator tim kaine what is a good deal look like to you in this port strike and you have 60 seconds. >> absolutely living to get by inking doctor adams and the spartans for welcoming aspect of the stages way to be back in one think wavy-tv and newsnation for broadcasting this debate in the two messages, when the message of friendship to virginia the jewish community beginning with the observations for celebrations and message of solidarity in southwest virginia been hit hard by her hurricane helene i was there yesterday and will be back on friday and saturday and be fighting with her bipartisan delegation and will be with you during your recovery. and i put it did not answer the

question if you're in the room, what are you doing us are trying to get the sides to come closer and i was on the phone earlier today that the secretary of labor, julie who was so that's what they're doing during the differences of the wi-fi the deal at these longshoremen have not had a protected six years pretty and are entitled six years later, to get better treatment and that's what i would be urging if i was in the room. >> and senator tim kaine what does better treatment look like to you exactly 30 say. >> and i am not with the two know exactly what they're asking for below, secures entities using of the world was waterfront. my colleague said, nobody's better off than four years ago, before years ago, we are in the middle of covid-19 hundreds of thousands of people were dying to this in a business is because he could not find toilet paper this la resident right overturn the peaceful transfer of power and what is happened in the last six years, sissy that's contracted event bringing to the terms the wages and benefits of the weather should be served in 2024, like in 2018, doesn't cut

it. >> thank you senator tim kaine now will turn to the evolving prices in the middle east top. >> thank you trailing, senator tim kaine a number we should have been deployed to the erie of the past several months, and so far, our posture has vented to defend israel. and senator tim kaine is an appointment u.s. lutheran she's to an office of shift to iran. >> you 60 seconds been at first not another board middle east of a good if we have learned would think i would up to 2020 went from a we should be supporting our allies but we should be in resist any effort by anyone committee get the u.s. it in the war in the middle east pretty with respect to supporting israel's defense, have been rocksolid pro-israel defense since i came into the city, in 2013 pretty 20 annual appropriations the more aid than any of the nation supporting the renegotiation of the tenure memorandum of the fence is like 20 teens, and rounding up suppot

for supplemental package for tiy dollars for israel as they were under attack by hamas others when i was wrapping up support, for the bill, and my opponent is asking for a pause in all military aid to israel december 2023, and help leasing in subsequent months, has led to to change his mind need to support our allies that's what i done this would've will continue to. >> senator tim kaine follow-up is there situation where you support putting u.s. troops on the ground in the middle east and you have 30 seconds. >> you cannot write off would happen if there on her others would foolishly reach major attacks against u.s. troops moment you do that circumstance, that was happening after president trump tore up the run diplomacy deal and the demolition started to strike u.s. troops at positions in iraq and syria in any attack on u.s. personnel, you need to consider a significant response to punish

those who didn't but other than that the u.s. should not let anyone drag us into a war in the middle east. >> thank you senator tim kaine and hung cao owing hard to posture has been to defend is welcoming is there a point when the u.s. military shifts to an offense of policy against iran wf 60 seconds. >> on ask everybody if you knew would have an october 7, 2001. that is the day we invaded afghanistan, because tokyo the twin towers nobody at the time because josé, take it easy on the taliban, when they come in the middle of the night of the kill 1200 people, they raped women and young girls and zero babies in the offense, they should be no mercy. we talk about either hamas, hezbollah with his face they're all iranian proxies and why are they so involved and now, because the lift up all of the sanction said to give them all of the money so they have all of the money that will bring out to rage war against us and look as a warrior, unless person was to

get us back into born a bit of work for 20 years and i fought in iraq and afghanistan it's a multi- up in the we have to stand by israel rated it is basically come off on weapons going into israel saying that you know no offensive weapons we cannot tell them how to do things and i saw that in vietnam when they said, hey let's not close by giving guns without ammunition that's exactly what were doing over there predict that is different apple standby allies all of the time. >> hung cao would you put u.s. troops on the ground in the middle east as an option. >> we meet in the middle east if you talking about is welcoming his his role so probably for the whenever ask for merkin troops on the ground they've never asked us and they've always fought their own battles. i just want support from us but when our friends are different so they think of the friends are giving that weapons to you cannot use of this or that, that's what happens. and if you have the weakness in the white house right now any

weakness in the senate and that is whether doing with doing. >> thank you hung cao were going to shift to possibly enter living economy the top issue for virginia but as we recently spoke to a woman shopping at the grocery store is what she said. >> i have to budget certain things that are not used to budgeting in order to get basic necessities like milk, bread, cheese, etc. >> hung cao their spinning $1100 more per month on average, on the same every day items they did in january of 2021, the bureau of labor statistics said and amended slightly higher than the national average in hung cao give us one specific policy that you would prioritize to bring down costs and you have 60 seconds. >> we know we need the energy independence that is the crux of everything the customer performer to fund the land is going to cost more for the trucker to bring it there with a dynasty made us dependent upon oil countries that hate us

pretty like you don't iran and venezuela these hate is the middle east predict we need to be energy independent in this country. that means unleashing all the energy we can get in order to bring forth you american power and her them sick a couple weeks ago that solar and wind, they are more efficient than nuclear power by can you imagine with aircraft carriers out there, on wind power we would put sales on their well look, i'm a warrior by trade but also of engineer and physicist and i tell you right now that is wrong nuclear power is the most clean and efficient form of energy out there we need to explore more of that in virginia and we need to be energy it'd stop being dependent on the country. >> they would you be your one policy energy into been. >> yes. >> thank you hung cao. >> and another followed now ten at ten come if elected former president donald trump has promised attacks all imported

items would you support a policy and you have 30 seconds. >> why are air industries be pushed out, basically put so much seven regulations and industry, the work forced to sit it hours we have the cleanest practice in america include the oil production by then we push it out to other countries and we out on this inflation reduction act pretty is really clean green energy. we need to do is to not tax our industry here, will be to do is to tax of the countries bringing in the goods because our people getting capturing when they bring abroad as well. >> thank you hung cao and senator tim kaine hung cao just criticize the economy earlier did not talk about energy independence and scholarly we heard from the virginia shopper, he said that a grocery budget is trained please give us a lease one policy that you support to help struggling americans and you have 60 seconds. >> over some of the virginians do not like being misled by a

fungus that we need to be energy independent, you've got mention that under the biden administration, america is producing more domestic energy it'd anytime in the nation's history. and negatives is the production is nuclear which are supported and natural gas which i support but also wind and solar and that is making a huge difference in the economy right here in have to dress with the chesapeake announcement about a great like, building a manufacturing facility here we are the energy leaders in the world because of these policies and what what i do and inflation printable first, covid-19 with a sledgehammer to global economy constructing all supply chains in every nation at that genetic inflation problems our economy has rebounded faster than virtually any and inflation is coming down pretty the fed just dropped interest rate is signifying that they will do it to get what i do, let's continue to invest in clean energy that's affordable and is continued break down costs on prescription drugs for the seniors is

continue to provide american adults with relief from student loan that's in this three thing that i have been and i will do more and my father it has all three of those things. >> mr. senator tim kaine thank you, deanna. >> vice president kamala harris promised to enact the first ever federal man on so-called price gouging if elected and does the price gouging exists on groceries and other necessities, you have 30 seconds. >> deanna, glad u.s. and because governor duncan just the other day, for the guest price gouging in virginia in the aftermath of hurricane helene and attorney general's morning said that we have tools at our disposal the o would price schedule especiallyg time with her through the federal trade commission the ftc or whether it is by legislationt congress should pass, we should look at instances up gouging anything that we should do is

brace trump terrace, the trump terrace a massive tax that would cause prices not all of these items that are reported to go up and of that active my appointment who seems to think the trump term plan is great says. >> and you just said that you wanted to look into instances of price gouging. you build in name and company in virginia and is price gouging currently and you have 60 seconds. >> i cannot they went right out with i was just an avalanche up and is with the law enforcement officials in the county visiting damage there rated their talking about the fact that they really see people coming in and trying to take advantage of those who have been suffering read when it comes to building cereals and of the things that they need to get their lives back on track predict that's what governor young. attorney general and vice president kamala harris of all said, the price gouging is real, we need the tools to deal with it. >> thank you. >> we have to move on to housing

affordability predict moving out as limited the recent data shows nearly 105 homeowners and half the renters in virginia, more than the recommended 30 percent of their incomes on housing pretty and senator tim kaine were typical home costs 44 and 40000 don't you believe additional support is needed to help great renters achieved homeownership you have 60 seconds. >> deanna great question i would take a couple of different ways of bring down the cost of rent and someone forgot the cost of purchasing a home. here's argued about the rental socal there is a very strong federal program called the low income housing tax credit and there's no currently pending in the civic of the process in the house with bipartisan bones, to expand low income housing tax credit prayed strongly support that a cosponsor is cosponsored since i sometimes sometimes create a new program when you have when that works, just to more of it and homeownership, hh

support with the vice president as indicated about drug assistance for downpayments, those are going for soap. if it dropping the interest rate, that is also going to free up some financing for first-time homebuyers. a lot of people don't want to move to us because report to be able to get as good an interest rate spread with interest rates coming down, they can and will open up a lot of starter homes for the families that looking to buy the first hopes of those led to be the do smith thank you senator tim kaine some of the things that you named might take a bit of time to check out as historically several virginia cities have ranked in the top ten predictions in america is how would you help keep the renters sent their homes now you have 30 seconds. >> and again i think that low-income housing tax credits the best program that we have but it is case, the virginia has tough landlord-tenant positive has afflicted by addiction race in virginia we members of the general assembly here in the

very proud of efforts that they have made in the last few years to change the landlord-tenant laws to reduce the eviction rates and i think that this efforts at the same couple, are showing success, as things we can do the bill that would guarantee that any veterans that they could get a housing better so we have no evidence homelessness in the country so there are things that the state level need to be done but there's also smart federal strategies that work that i support. >> thank you senator tim kaine and hung cao on the same subject america's currently short five and half million homes and will post he would support to increase the housing supply you have 60 seconds. >> yes one of the things we have the problem we have right now, so repair paying ability dollars day to feed and house illegal aliens in this country pretty were taking care of them there need to be a lot of these america's homes right now, due to the hurricane helene we need to put them in the hotels in

getting the room service instead of giving it to illegal aliens predict my fear with what is kamala harris was to do with unrealized gains is of my house goes up and so, you know it just goes up and celebrate then i don't have the money out-of-pocket to estate taxes that's exactly what is going on radio, and when the great things about being an american us the freedom the significance ownership and okay other countries do know i you have that they want to push you out of ownership of your old antonelli corporations and very rich people could buy it so that's what were the fight against. >> well hung cao think you so much for responding when looking to see what policy he was a part that would increase the housing supply you have 30 seconds. >> again in northern virginia, there's a lot of when cost of living is very high but if we can build affordable housing for the south and have more vre's mass transit to bring people up there to work at northern

virginia area that i would hundred we would solve the problem. >> hung cao and moving on now to immigration and tom will have the next say the questions. >> thank you deanna and mr. hung cao, you supported removing undocumented immigrants who have committed crimes and you support mass deportation of all undocumented immigrants and you have 60 seconds. >> immigration is very your dear to my heart with vietnam felt we had nowhere to go in america brother said in appearance, waited in line for seven years we all day, for seven years, to get our citizenship in the last thing that my dad had hung over is that when the best way, two years ago was this naturalization certificate love this country so much, like check to including my life as if it for 25 years in iraq and afghanistan small you know the parts of the world pretty and so here's my thing to anybody was to come here, don't ask for the market dream if you normally to be under no big loss and embrace the american culture.

and so, that is the number one criteria coming into this country and you come here illegally, and you need to especially if you're violent crime person, we just had our last week, there are 13000 convicted murderers is 16000, he could rapist, they came across under their watch, that's unacceptable. we need to protect americans everything a day and that's what i did. >> thank you hung cao the question of the support mass deportation of all documented that was the question asked 30 seconds to respond. >> he came here illegally, basically screwing up the whole system for their people waiting in line like my families, for seven years for their naturalization papers is that you can don't jump the light if you go to costco and to avoid what he thinks going to happen, and so, this thing come you cannot come here and expect the market dream if you not willing to be loss in the break the culture, that's what i did.

>> okay thank you hung cao and the policy of mass deportation you support, result in the resulting additional violence and unrest, how should the government responded you have 36. >> this violence and unrest outlook it aurora colorado and all of the other place in the world grimaced 13 gangs of come across, it's already happening. sorry happening in our country and deport anybody committing crimes right now for this first we need to secure the border and we need to deport anybody was already over here committee crimes and stop giving them billion dollars day and that includes gift cards giving them in plane tickets anywhere cell phone and then enforce the e-verify and they don't paid to do their jobs and the self deport. >> thank you hung cao and senator tim kaine since president joe biden took office, is 2 million undocumented migrants have crossed the border, would you support granting amnesty to those already in the country today 60

seconds. >> my pundit would not answer your question on terrace and he would not answer your question on longshoreman but he did answer the question on mass deportation and he's in favor the mass deportation more than 10 million people which would devastate the economy. i have supported strong immigration policy since i came to the senate in 2013, when the first bills we had was built comprehensive immigration reform that included, $45 billion border security investment in the republican else killed the bill was passed in the senate, by a bipartisan super majority in 2018, couple together a bill of $25 billion border security in exchange for protections for dreamers and president trump said that he might support it but when senate introduced the build bipartisan fashion, he told those to kill it pretty we recently negotiated a very tough quarter that would put a lot of resources on the border to stop illegal immigration, president

trump asked for republicans to oppose it and even though it was supported by the border control union, and when asked why he was opposing a president trump said that we don't want to fix this problem we want to complain about the problem and as soon as we get republicans that are willing to work from home and since immigration reform, we can see the folks from coming here illegally we can also have the reports that america needs because we won't have a without immigration reform. >> thank you senator tim kaine but the question was do you support reading amnesty to those already here. >> i've never supported amnesty suet thank you senator tim kaine. >> one more question senator tim kaine, what you have proposed would require significant funding did we talk about dreamers and you talk about other programs and you propose paying for this event 30 seconds. >> top, glad you asked me that question because the congressional budget office and others give up the indicate that one of the few things that congress can do, and will

increase the gdp of this nation without really costing much money, is immigration reform why because we do it immigration reform, that allows the people to come here and work, they will pay taxes, they will contributed to the social security trust, and their productivity and families like my opponents of families like mine who came here from ireland in the 1850s, they will help grow the economy. immigration reform might be the one best thing that could be done by congress to expand the american economy we need to protect the border, read reports america needs going into the future. >> thank you senator tim kaine and no topic of preparations for the lists going with senator tim kaine performing five years ago, the white lion slave ship not dozens of enslaved people just miles from where we sit here and refer state nl starting this lay ministry, and what is now the united states and vice president democratic presidential nominee kamala harris do support some form of reparations in 2019 is a

senator and senator tim kaine would you support some form of it for today's citizen of the enslaved you have 45 seconds. >> sooner cory booker has a bill that would look at this question of whether those who descended from those who were brought here as slaves, should be entitled to some form of assistance, because of the generations of denying their families the ability to accumulate wealth and i think that what the best thing that we can do to try to eliminate persistent any qualities focus on education and proud about her fighting for hbc you like for folks hoping this university defunding for stem careers for students, helping each be you to be able to start medical schools, to expand the medical profession and happy them train the next generation of classroom teachers and so i actually think the best strategy to deal with persistent inequities is educational support and have

always supported those efforts and will continue to. >> senator tim kaine thank you and hung cao same question you would you support support the preparations for today's descendents of the enslaved you a 45 seconds country needs to heal we cannot keep dealing with the key picking up the scabs we can discuss rape her mom said, these eagle your money, they can take away your position is likely can never take away your knowledge and this will be push education so hard and the education only equalizer out here and that's why i want to make sure that all americans have that ability to go to school. there is a lot of issues right now schools as the tuition keeps going up in the good innocent, since he came in office come the tuition and it is u.s. triple that. what i wanted to bring it down to 0 percent interest and you know, just allow for the students to go to school can education to get themselves out there other larger schools but it is human and or to school to have huge debits they should be

the ones that coastline for these loans but again, this should not be the american people what to make sure this country moves forward and heal. >> my pundit also forgot to mention that he was to abolish the department of education. that is on his website and that is a plan that he supports an overturned. >> we will get education a little bit later on thank you hung cao rated. >> we do have some much more to discuss of the candidates and for those of you watching at home are here with us live comes to ground will be will be back after this quick break. ♪ ♪♪ ♪ ♪♪ ♪ ♪ ♪♪ ♪ ♪♪ >> welcome back to our debate and tom. >> and i am deanna in richmond virginia. >> wanted to clarify when they senator tim kaine spoke about education in the last segment about we made a mistake but not

giving mr. hung cao to respond to what mr. train senator tim kaine said mr. hung cao please. >> with the department of education is what belongs to the states okay to the federal government and the federal government look they screw everything the tension must be honest, the federal government and a lot of these board of education are i'm sorry secretary of education the department of education only pay for things like the teachers unions are not really pushing out with the need to push for the season the state knows what they needed to take care of for their own personal state. and leading education the state was well into the school segregation in the spring court of brown versus board of education has to say, that from a federal law prospective compasses could do not discriminate against the students and you can only be education just as a state is if you do, we see that we don't want to go back. >> senator tim kaine believes education leader nobody military

pretty. >> and hung cao world start with you on this one, the department of defense of the during the last fiscal year, the military is collectively missed recruiting goals by about 41000 recruits and hung cao you stated that this administration has been growing of obsession with gei is a wonder that we have a military recruiting problem if you please explain how you believe diversity equity and inclusion efforts have impacted military recruiting efforts that you have 30 seconds. >> when limitation her life he did a lot of military people. i deployed to invaded iraq when my wife is eight months printed with her first child i did not know i would ever meet him and we did that because we love this country so much printed and watching afghanistan fall, broke my heart headed turned their backs on military people they turned their backs on all of our allies out there pretty were they did in covid-19 was

irreversible what they did is they kicked thousand 10000 miliy people refused to take that covid-19 vaccine is so if you're military person or young person wanting to go military would you trust military government turned her back on them just for an experimental vaccine. >> thank you hung cao is could you explain is explain how you believe diversity and equity in and inclusion efforts with specifically are here printed military recruiting and you have 52nd. >> and again with when you're using a drag queen to recruit for the navy, this of the people we want coming a look about what we need is alpha males and females are going to rip off the room's and eat them and ask for seconds, that builds the young windmill men and women are going to build the war. [applause] [applause] [applause] >> body is please please quieted down audience please remember we did ask for limited or no reaction to the candidate so we

could get this many topics tonight as possible. and thank you hung cao. and senator tim kaine, your product think about the ice blame for low recruitment predict what you think the military does not have enough recruits and you have 30 seconds. >> will it do not understand my opponent's argument meeting but all around the block, not really sure what his point was pretty about gei and the respect his military service on the father of united states bring the commander veteran i respect all conservatives in the armed services committee chairman the seapower subcommittee i think that what we are fighting is starting a people distribute in the all volunteer mustard only e didn't even know anybody military. we have to reach out to new constituencies groups and we also have to test this the people to benefits military service are enormous of people feel like that if they serve in the military for the fall behind in know you sue met because of benefits like the g.i. bill and others then finally we need to work on innovative program such as the army working on right now

to help young people kind prequalified a pass the physical exams and they have a long and productive career serving our country. >> and just to clarify come your saying that you believe not enough americans understand the benefits of the military and that is what is hampering recruitment. >> deice) and we do surveys of families about people's willingness to serve and it turns out they're not serving because are afraid the nursery because not patriotic of serving because they do not believe military service will answer rest of their life to think alike to get off track and their colleagues will zoom ahead of them. we need to do a better job of talking about your belt and the benefits because will house the tremendous leadership training the begin the military my son received a superb leadership training that will benefit him for the rest of his life but he did not know somebody the military, you might not understand that and that is what we need to do to communicate

better. maria, will have more people signing up to serve the country. >> thank you senator tim kaine. [applause] >> please hold your applause everyone and senator tim kaine looking at guns in america, and the masculine if supported of buyback programs for firearm accessories that are there any circumstances in which he was support mandatory buybacks for firearms specifically getting a 452nd. >> i'm not supported mandatory buybacks he can see a circumstance where wedding and we can offer incentives from this good thing by midday the second and i guess people writing farms second amendment also this reporter said reasonable limitations are accepted historians wanted reasonable limitations such as when the end of the month revealed on high capacity magazines or comprehensive background checks freighted the worst date of my life. i was the day when i was governor is a tragic shooting at virginia tech, 32 people

innocent people, faculty member scalp and they were killed because not have a comprehensive background check. i would've stopped that mentally disturbed young man from buying a weapon that he was not authorized to have printed that is the most important thing we can do to bring a gun violence in the country is been good worked on the state level we need to do comprehensive background checks at the federal level and we do, we will see gun violence reduced rated. >> thank you senator tim kaine and hung cao continuing to look at loss your opponent senator tim kaine, co-author to federal bill that could charge spirits and guardians with a violent felony with the children user guides to commit crimes. specially those that harm others is our question to you, you support sitting the parents to present when the child uses their appearance gun to commit a crime and you 452nd. >> you but here's the thing is the issue we have the country right now. you cannot legislate morality

and no new laws going to stop a person hell-bent on trade assess the former president shooting of the school. what we need more of sros and all the public schools emerging as well as mental health crisis counselors and not just the schools but also police department and the sheriff's offices was senator hundred senator tim kaine is introduce plausible restrict americans from buying the guns consider doing background checks on illegal aliens pretty coming in this country 30000 convicted murderers and 16000 convicted rapist of the group come across under his watch to background checks on them switches to clarify just goosebumps to hear you to say do you do when i just want to make sure okay and now l move onto education cost talks for faculty thank you and ten with senator tim kaine you have supported the biden administration attempts to student loan forgiveness. twenty believe the people he made the choice, take out

student loans she received taxpayer support to relieve their debt you have 60 seconds. >> so first let's talk about public service loan forgiveness programs in place since the first question ministration they were not being is in effect the passing ministration was not approving public service loan forgiveness biden administration has taken this programs and is forgiven the loans of more than a million public service and thanks for the public service they provide whether it's in the military teaching withers working as a frontline health professional working for local or state government i think it's a powerful strategy to look because soft every day people shoulders and to provide to go into public service professions minutes in the heart of divided adherence administrations loan forgiveness program is strongly strongly supported because if you go to school, then you commit your life to public

service, i think that that is a very worthy fuss and i think loan forgiveness of the circumstances makes perfect sense is also good for the economy is when you lift the burden off of people so here's to pay back loans for both their able to buy a house or by a car communities senator tim kaine thank you and hung cao as a bus october the department of education said the virginians, no collective $43 billion in federal student debt impacting their ability to contribute to our economy so hung cao how would you help these virginians ease that for you 60 seconds. >> and get them a drink of the interest rates to zero and also we need to withhold federal funding for any colleges that keep him to get the tuition costs because the college customers when we were the university cummings $500 a year there was six times more

expensive and so why is that how come these large colleges have such large endowments knuckles money for the salt and this will people need to go after the gop all that is a great program for you and if you're struggling to pay for your school, get a ci fill the means go out and serve military is stipend slows tuition and we need to fix education and we need to do it now but here's the thing people like senator kay coming given an office about for 30 years and very soft offices the u.s. senate for 125 you cannot fix it yet to. [applause] [applause] >> okay audience. >> when i was governor of virginia was named the best day for child to be raised in the united states the best managed state in the best say do business continues because of our education system. >> senator tim kaine hung cao. [applause] [applause] >> respond to get the he said what is going to do wealth like

hey, why haven't you done that yet and honestly, of the 227 bills and senator senator tim kaine the puzzle through the beta throw. >> that simply the wrong. >> those 99 percent failure rate and my profession is. >> that's completely wrong. >> will there's two truths in the world looking never walking to targus will reregister and go against the nation when it comes to. [applause] >> what does that mean. >> were going to move on. >> is 99 percent failure rate. [inaudible]. >> gentlemen. >> senator tim kaine hung cao were moving on to the next topic deanna. >> think he avoid some of the last few weeks of the biden administration announced $1.3 billion for historically black colleges and universities, to its work 20 and hung cao, would you support. investment for hbcus from

progress you 45 seconds be backups related to the wife having every single year of us make this a permanent move forward and so that we can get like a said, education is the only for boys out there and thus allow for the people to pull himself up and start giving back to the country. >> thank you hung cao and senator tim kaine give the record deficit, how can future hbcus students trust there will be continued investment in your 45 seconds. >> first you go by like track record. i have funding for the folks take another university my entire career we could go for a walk right after this event and i could show you buildings on this campus, that were bill because of on packages i supported as lt. governor mcgovern i can also show you programs on campus supported this united states senator my commitment to hbcus this entire my entire 30 years running against somebody who's that the

college the department of education. that's an extreme position it would hurt hp use but for all of our colleges all over k-12 school. >> thank you senator tim kaine and hung cao before those students are children make it to college, they often a the high cost of childcare is forcing many families to make difficult decisions about whether to pay or to help get care the children potentially quit the jobs they do not cover those expenses that you support providing a set this business screen on-site childcare options 30 seconds. >> excellent molecular think it is we have five kids. you know, we made a hard decision that i would work and she was sent home to take care of the kids because it cost too much to send them to daycare and so, yes, i would absolutely incentivize and help companies you know you companies to help out with the child care for their families thank you hung cao and follow-up with america

pay for that does incentives in your 15 seconds. >> there's a lot of things we can pay for something a billion dollars, to illegal aliens that is over as half a trillion dollars a year, the big e paying for illegal aliens into this country secure of americans first. >> thank you hung cao and senator tim kaine you've already indicated your support for giving businesses incentives to create those on-site childcare options and what americans increase taxes to pay for that and you have 30 seconds. >> will i have a proposal for senator republican of alabama, to take three provisions currently the tax code to help parents and employers for childcare that is not very robust working as a senior bring i have a bipartisan proposal that will be discussed with you tax again next year that would put money back into the parents pocket pretty and also successfully supported the american rescue plan for much and was my opponent and

permission to expand the child tax credit that reduce poverty implement back into the pockets of the parents of that they could use for child care expenses and they could use for healthcare and that provision has expired because republicans will know support extension find the senate during the third term, avoid restoring the child tax credit which will be the biggest tax cut for people in the history of this country. >> thank you senator tim kaine for outlining your red legislative priorities much working on the question was whether americans increase taxes to pay for these kinds of incentives are tax cuts. >> my belief is that there are savings we can find will help with us and i'll give you an example, we are now finally negotiating for prescription drug prices with the big pharma company said medicare and in the first year of them, going to save the taxpayers and senior seven and a half billion dollars, and that is just negotiating on ten drug prices and if we negotiate all drugs

and medicare, people safe tremendous amount of money that we can use for other priorities like childcare and my opponent opposed that bill and said that he would repeal it if he is elected and that will cause prescription drug prices to skyrocket. >> thank you senator tim kaine we will now move on to reproductive rights top. >> okay were going to ivf sorry going to ibf. >> correct cf and hung cao the average in vitro fertilization treatment is $50000 for pregnancy if you believe the federal government private insurance should cover that cost you 60 seconds. >> that the government no in the private insurance yes look my family benefited from fertility treatment so i don't know where the commercial think saying i guess that they come i know where that comes from a look about about family families mexican the five children was adopted and i want to make sure that were profamily the cost a lot of money any possible lives

a lot of time and paperwork you know the people work necessary to protect the child it was so hard. or allow for the families to welcome a child into their lives like we did her second child is now you know in mother and now i'm a grandfather of the baby girl because of her coming into her home and so i'm very grateful and i want to be very family-friendly in the united states and that includes allowing for fertility treatments like my family got or adoption like my family did. >> that thank you hung cao and you didn't mention private interest and how would you incentivize them to do so, the cover those cost away that would not leave americans authority higher premium. >> that's a great question because again with this plan, that's just a trojan horse or a single-payer government run program. cedric program for kamala harris everything single here and government run health insurance we have no choices, you will

have no choices printed medicare for not and so this is why we need competition within the insurance that is how we will offer them to pay for ivf another fertility treatment. >> thank you hung cao senator tim kaine same question to you has that average cost of $50000 per pregnancy, do you believe the federal government and private insurance should cover the cost of ivf, 60 seconds. >> let me tell you why virginians are very skeptical about my opponents support for ivf committee said that he was support national bill would establish as life begins at conception no exceptions and really looking at that bill has said that it would dramatically restrict women's ability to access abortion, and even contraception and that were taken back his support for that bill. the kind of the national bill with great park, to reproductive rights for all americans and here's what i believe, that

insurance policies often mandate coverage for certain things mental health treatments and others and yes insurance policies including aussies that are offered on the exchanges under the affordable cares action mandate covered for ivf services subject to the same co-pays should be carved out the way the heart surgery or other important surgeries a procedure mandated coverage subject to the same close for other coverages. should not pass bill that would restrict people's access to abortion contraception and ivf and we also should not demonize women doctors. >> my opponent has compared the women the doctors who make the difficult choice, to terminate a pregnancy coming to the had bomb makers and that is outrageous insult to women were making tough personal protective decisions that they are entitled to make. >> to give you an opportunity.

>> i want to be very clear this, i will not sign any bill the federal level to ban abortions and i don't know where he gets us from the supreme court made the right decision pushes to the state pretty was senator tim kaine is to take another voters in virginia given to a senator california and the congressman in idaho and he is the most extreme views which is unlimited abortion to including birth. >> it is true and hold on, because you voted against born alive protection act this most extreme think that there is a new voted against it. per child for life you voted against it so when he was do is taken out of the hands of the voters and only keep it back in the hands of others because i don't want a senator from california congresswoman flight out making decisions for virginians see a. [applause] [applause]

>> senator tim kaine, when her audience doesn't want to give you 15 seconds to respond. >> yes it was a bill on the born alive protection act that it did but i guess it was already federal law and to become federal law, ten years. reporter: in every state prohibits abortions in the circumstances and this was an effort to smear the weapon by calling them or bomb makers. i voted against them and i'm the only bipartisan proposal in congress right now that would codify movers the way which would have never been overturned women should be protected to make their own reproductive decisions for the point of fetal viability and state legislature should be able to impose reasonable restrictions after this virginia lot rhino support please write off for the united states. [applause] [applause] [applause] >> thank you senator tim kaine and thank you ineligible, with abortion restrictions will you support. >> those and replacing virginia right now for example,. >> can you yes so the parental

notification and consent for minors with judicial bypass is nearing of circumstances after the point of viability election abortion can be performed. in the requirement. >> it has to be validated by physicians in those original laws right now and you support and we should restore the basic protections of roe v. wade and not sell. [inaudible]. >> continue by the time and we do have to move on we are almost at a time when you have to move on and hung cao you get the question first actually self are there any circumstances under which you would not certify the result vice president kamala harris when the election, you have 60 seconds. >> which are asking this and it will certify because she went something like will they keep calling me a threat to democracy and you understand that i know when the threat to democracy is freedom of father was but kill us but the communist.

the runway in the middle of the night to get out of the snow is been my entire life fighting to defend see. and people never win the compensation called me a threat to see after three over there was thanking me for my service in the know when threat is in you and threat to democracies tapping border some more with 13000 convicted murderers and city thousand convicted rapist coming through, what is happening on campuses death to america is being shot that's affecting our democracy. >> thank you hung cao. harris: same question for you and are there any circumstances under you would not certify the result former president donald trump were elected you have 60 seconds for a point certify the result i did in 2016 when i was on the ballot was i happy about the result is he immediately and certified in a did not try to inspire an attack on the capitol and i don't think that it never called my opponent, and they my

key suggesting i do point out something about my opponents extreme position, he has taken the position that those who attacked the capitol in january 6 the 2021, leading to death including law enforcement officers,. >> hold on hold on holland. >> let me finish. >> he has said that those individuals should not be prosecuted they should be compensated. [inaudible]. >> were just about of time some going to have to in that. >> readily closing statements first we will allow the candidate 30 seconds for closing statements and turning we will go first which was determined by recent polling. >> vietnam help them win over the run to, but his grace country called the united states to be sent and gave us an opportunity and give us life and i would to the top schools in the country including united states naval academy is been 25 years defending the right to come here. this country is taken a dark

turn and it impress are turning this country and what i ran a way from pretty and 30 years to have any time for senator tim kaine's closing statement, 30 seconds. >> the choice it pretty clear for virginians what was also acting when extremism pretty eyes that my city to a renaissance as mayor the still continuing when i was governor and we are best different business the best educated best manage day, and it is that i have a powerful legislation so that we are building again with infrastructure were making again with manufacturing and renovating in virginia is leading the way. >> were out of time and thank you for joining us. >> the money is underway right now have a great night underway and everyone. ♪ ♪♪ ♪ >> c-span's washington journal. discussing the latest issues in government and public policy.

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abortion and ivf treatment, health care, the economy, and climate change. they also rebut claims about their residency and financial status. the debate was hosted by al.com. it's an hour. >> good afternoon and welcome to al.com congressional district to debate presented by aarp of alabama. i will be your moderator for the debate this afternoon. today we will talk with the coot -- candidates about their positions on issues like gun violence, immigration, health care care, and more. before we get started, let's quickly go over the rules. we have shared the topics with the campaign but have not shared specific questions. each candidate will have two minutes to answer questions and the candidate who answers first will get 30 seconds of a rebuttal time. the order of candidates answering was determined by an earlier coin flip. so let's meet our candidates.

carolyn dobson and durham ra figures. determined by that earlier coin flip, carolyn you have three minutes to make your opening statement. >> good afternoon. i first want to let the families who been impacted by hurricane milton know that you are in my thoughts and prayers. many of you are sheltering in the second congressional district. my heart goes out to you. t my help goes out to you. i am caroleene dobson i am running to make life better for alabama families. i grew up and i now live in montgomery with my husband and two daughters. i serve on the alabama forestry commission and am a real estate lawyer purchase my girls are born in alabama there's nowhere else i'd rather raise my family then here the values of hard work, humility, community and faith are interwoven in the very

fabric of our culture. i've never been in politics before a working mom. probably like many of you i'm concerned for our country is headed. i want to make life better for alabama families. i want to bring down gas and grocery prices. i what your kids to be able to play in your neighborhoods without wondering if they'll come home safely or not. back to when i was a kid the time is spent with my grandfather, my dad's a dads up or he was born a poor the youngest of 10 children. i worked his way through college as a janitor during the height of the depression pretty got a degree in education that lead to a career for public school teacher and is also a farmer. he instilled in me and my sister a concept of stewardship. the idea it with the privilege of enjoying all the gifts god had given him, comes a responsibility taking care, cultivating leaving them better than we found them for the next

generation. were not just stewards of this country and its resources. the next generation itself. they've made our communities less safe and have made our economy less prosperous. all due to washington insiders like my opponents. he spent his entire adult career in washington d.c. start leasing an apartment of the district two days before the filing deadline backup is a million half-dollar house in washington d.c. what's more, is part of the administration that hurt alabama families. he wants to continue the policies of the last four years. he believes in government. i believe in you. you and i have to ask ourselves are we better off than we were four years ago? i have yet to find a person in this district that answers yes we do not need washington insiders funding washington we

need more alabama fighting to make life better for alabama families. i hope you'll join me in that fight enjoyed me on november 5. >> good afternoon. thank you for hosting this. thank you to all of those who are listening and watching us here today i join my colleagues here said in my thoughts, prayers, concerns to those of you who i invited by the recent storms down in florida as a child of the gulf coast myself i been through my fair share of them. i can certainly relate to the struggle of getting through that. my name is shomari figures i'm proud proud of born and raised. born in mobile, raised in mobile, educated and mobile. i grew up in an environment, i grew up in a home of public service. my parents, both of my parents

my father first and then my mother were in the alabama legislature there's not been a day of my life where that commitment to public service thecommitment to bettering and fostering better communities is not been at the forefront of the values that have been stored in may. as a child and throughout my life my parents would literally ask us how are you going to take the gift god has given you? but is resources or money, skills, talent how do you take them up at the met use in the betterment of the people and places that are responsible for you being you in the first place? does that mean the most you? to me this is been home. that's always been mobile, alabama, our family goes back to this district in clark county this is the district that made me. to go on and have a career at thistake them across federal government. we clicked on the federal

courts. spent several years work in the white house with president obama. i work at the department of justice and work several years or we are attempting now in congress. had the privilege, the ability to learn how washington works. i don't agree with how it works in many respects like most people. i know we can best leverage that experience to put it to use, to benefit the people and places across this district, what is now district to print throughout the debate today look forward to discussing the tough issues, the important issues for the matters them most in district to how we can increase our healthcare access inc. issues that how we hospitals back open and places like union springs, alabama thomasville, goldfield, issues such as the economy. issues such as doing everything that we can to make sure our streets are safe in our committees are safe and look forward to discussing this with you today i'm talking to the

issues. thank you. >> thank you shomari figures we should talk about something on your buddy's minds right now what is the biggest issue you see with the economy district do and in that district what would you do to help if you were elected to congress? bucks without question alabama families are struggling in this economy and at what to make life better for alabama families. i was in the grocery store the other day it's almost impossible to buy a gallon of milk and a box of cereal for less than $10. families throughout this district are struggling for without question inflation is killing us. we are never going to truly curb inflation until we can stop the reckless government spending that this administration and my opponent work for has worked fos participated in. this administration is set to increase our national debt by

$8 trillion. that means our debt payments amount to about $2 billion a day. that's making the cost of goods continue to rise and rise and rise. in addition to inflation we have to get american energy up and running again. this admits ration killed american energy for the stop drilling on federal lands for they shut down the keystone pipeline. they made us more reliant on china and russia. that's reflected in how much you pay at the grocery store. i grew up on a farm my family still active in farming and the cost of diesel, the cost of fertilizer directly related to her energy independence. but is increased exponentially is putting small farmers out of business. it's most small businesses out of business and making it difficult for alabama families to make ends meet's. 45% of alabama families struggle

to make payments. that's got to change. by continuing to crush energy and engaged in reckless government spending like my opponent would advocate for. >> shomari what would you think is the biggest issue with the economy? would you do to help. >> people who understand who's grown up in committees in and around. who are struggling. my opponent cannot relate to that. that is something to keep you from generally struggle with everyday people. what we know is this. we talk about people struggling now in this economy. when you go to phoenix, when you go to the diggy, preacher, places across this district the struggle is not new for people. they've been struggling for far to long for they been struggling to create jobs in these

communities to improve conditions in these communities. to fight poverty in these communities for decades. a third of alabama had has republican leadership of the government's office, the lieutenant governor's office, secretary of state and the attorney general's office for the last two plus decades. this game of picking a democrat and blaming everything on the democrat is not solving problems here. reactive real leadership. president biden inherited the worst economic situation is the great depression. but every economist acknowledges that there no fault of any present economic conditions we struggle with coming out of covid lead to supply-chain shortages, worker shortages, job losses. a rise in cost. in making sure that fall off a fiscal cliff into a depression or recession. forcing the product of that now pursing a strong job report we are seeing the stock market performing at all-time high.

you got to keep doing what we are doing but we have to make sure we continue to advocate for strong fiscal responsible government to keep us going down the path to get the light at the end of the tunnel. >> from that caroleene you have the right to rebut anything. >> i wish i was a billionaire but there's only one person at this table that owns a 1.5 billion how -- million dollar house that's outside of d.c. the reality for 12 of the last 16 years democrats have been in the white house. democrats have been in control. exponentially increasing our debts. the more we spend government dollars, the more costs of goods will go up or the more it's going to cost you to put food on the table. to put gas in your car. >> let's move on we'll talk about immigration. shomari how would you have voted on the bipartisan border act that was stalled by republicans? what would you propose to handle the situation at the border?

>> first, i think of immigration i think of a man named gerald who came to this country so enamored with the possibility is of what it could provide what it meant in the story of possibility heat learn to refine his english by listening to martin luther king speeches at kathleen his wife who came from the same country. i was gone on to a career in health i think about their daughters therefore daughters they raised here in this nation all of them have advanced level degrees all of them are making positive contributions to our in education. one is an ivy league educated gynecological oncologist in 173 within the eye believe schools that we shall have the privilege of calling her my wife. she came from haiti, from haiti. they came and ate was public service, i leave degrees, education positive contributions to america. our immigration policy has to be informed.

has to be responsible. cannot sacrifice the core values of what makes this country what it is. it cannot be so rooted in fear mongering and pulling people together to isolate groups or to isolate around fear. it has to prioritize protecting our border. has to our asylum process. we have had solutions on the table that were drafted by republicans but both senator james lankford drafted that bill republican leadership donald trump elected, would rather run on a problem rather than to work to pass the solution we cannot have that we have to have real people in washington that really want solutions to these issues. i think it's clear my opponent will stay the course with the republican opposition that brings in real change in immigration system here in united states. >> caroleene how would you have voted on that act?

and again but which you propose to handle what's going on at the border? >> there is no question our border crisis, and it is a national crisis is negatively impacting alabama families. i'm running to make life better for alabama families. of course we benefit from illegal immigration i welcome everyone to utilize that process. i was visiting recently with doctor patel at jackson hospital. think it is people like him who have legally immigrated and providing healthcare in communities that most need it. unfortunately members of his family and community cannot come to america and emigrate because they are being held up by a system that's taking years in some cases decades. in the meantime we have administration flung open our southern border that has allowed eight -- 10 million non- residents, non- citizens come across our border. using american taxpayer dollars to fund, to pay for health care,

clothing, education for those folks have just come across. what's more concerning is according to border patrol data from just last week they are 662,000 individuals with no criminal history that have come across our border. this is making our communities less safe. look, we absolutely need to revamp the legal immigration process to encourage and incentivize people to come here and make our country better. but the open border is an entirely different matter. and the thing is, the democrats want to keep politicizing this issue. but the biden/harris administration open the border without legislative action for i would not have voted for that bill. that would have allowed thousands to come across the border without vetting process but thousands of folks in the cartel bringing sentinel. we can and come up with a solution if we just enforce the law. we just enforce the law.

coach of 30 seconds to rebut. >> yet be grounded in facts. over half of the people in this country illegally did not come across legal border. they came on bases they overstayed the game with the legal processes. we need to be real and how were going about resources in terms of immigration process. it's not the simplest thing were going to blame everything on the people coming across the southern border with no reality. with no understanding of the true causes of immigration problem that we have here in the country. >> a move on to a question from our sponsor. aarp has a 34 year history of non- voter it information giving information but where the candidates stand on important issues so voters can make their own decisions on election day. caroleene the social security trust fund is expected to make a fault. millions of americans who are counting on the social security payment to be cut into the money

they earn pdc asked congress to work on a bipartisan solution for social security for those who have earned it. >> i grew up in a rural community pay for those of you also live in small towns the majority of folks are popping those towns are our seniors. my mother spent her career providing physical therapy purposes. most of her. patients were seniors my parents are in social security. so many americans, alabamians, about 90% of alabama senior social security is their primary source of income. i pledge to fight for social security benefits for the currently owned social security those who are nearing the age to receive social security benefits but you paid into the system the entire time when it comes to folks our age and younger we have to realize we've got to put everything on the table. to depoliticize the issue, stop fear mongering, roll up our

sleeves and get something done. but, what is really troubling as we have reckless government spending on folks on the left like my opponent. we've seen $1.1 billion of taxpayer funds spent on illegal aliens by this administration just sent $157 million to lebanon who is fighting our ally, israel. we've got to stop the reckless government spending because that is going to continue to diminish social security benefits. we also at the stop the reckless government spending because we have to realize inflation is harming those in social security. even if you get dollars from in social security they do not go as far for that's a reality grocery prices have gone up 25%. energy costs have gone up 38%. your dollars are not going as far that the disservice you as well. >> shomari you see congress to work on that for security questionnaire. >> we have to make that path for

two people in this country the government made a promise to pay if you work hard, do the right thing, pay into the system and they'll be there for you as you age people who need social security. it takes that. you have to understand is not optional for many people. the money they rely on to pay rent to buy prescription drugs with the money they rely on to pay bills we have an obligation for no greater obligation to take care of our seniors here in this country. i would be there every step of the way to fight ensure were doing the things that are necessary to raise the revenue and not make the cuts to social security we've seen too many times. people on the right on the republican side close. that runs the risk of gambling away people's hard earned benefits. in the wake of government spent

could not agree more. they have to be responsible. it's not true in the trump administration added more to the debt than the biden administration will possibly do. not even including covid spending. $5 trillion in debt to the nation. we have to be real but we have to understand the facts but understand the reality that are grounded in truth, not fiction grounded in the reality republicans have shown their hand time and time again they're willing to cut social security. they're willing to cut other benefits. in the people of this district cannot risk jeopardizing that security at that stage in life. by sending people to washington that will go along with those plans. >> caroleene joy future time to rebut? >> first of all the biden administration is on track to at $8 trillion the national debt and i will provide data to that

effect after the debates it. reckless government spending is again causing inflation. irresponsible use of government dollars that could be using to fund social security. i pledge to protect social security. some of the closest of friends and family that had a huge impact on my life relied on social security. we all do but would pay into the system. but the reality is this government spends money to recklessly. >> thank you but never going to shift topics to abortion and ivf treatment part alabama riesling sparked a national debate on after an alabama supreme court ruling effectively shut down ivf clinics for brief time in the state. currently 41 states with various bands on abortion. including 13 total bands. so shomari do you think there should be exceptions or allowances for abortions in alabama such as situations as rape and incest? and a context for our viewers there's not such exceptions

currently available in alabama. >> i don't believe it's a government's role to tell a woman what she should and should not do with their own body. that the decision she should be able to make with herself and with her doctors. with whoever she decides to seek guidance and counsel from prints out the role the government to get involved in that decision-making. and i think what's worse is what we have seen. these attacks on women's reproductive rights. that leads to outcomes with idf such a basic fundamental medical procedure she has no questions about for decades literally comes under question because of the result of the strict laws passed. not just now but other states as well. it's also no coincidence the states that have the strictest antichoice laws also have the worst reproductive healthcare outcomes. has the worst maternal health care, maternal mortality the worst infant mortality rate.

physicians donor practice here for the donor practice in their environment we have a district or that struggles with healthcare access at every single level. state policies did exacerbate that. over half the counties do not have a pediatrician. but for hospitals close this district with gloss maternity wards we have county sedona has a baby delivered in them at a hospital since the 1980s. this is an issue that extends well beyond choice it's an issue having an impact, a negative impact. the logical extension is there will be future attacks. future practices we accept and now that will come into question. such is the right to contraception but that's a very logical extension of the outcomes of such policies and procedures that come out of this that republicans have of control of women's bodies. >> do you think there should be questions? >> as a mother of two children

at my most precious gifts are certainly my two girls. i'm a christian, i'm a mother, i'm pro-life but i believe this should be exceptions in the case of a rape or incest or the life of the mother bird the supreme court in dobbs ruled the issue of abortion is one that best left to states to address with compassion, common sense, and consensus. we do not need to federalize this issue. see what happens and we do federalize this issue. we have washington insiders who want to make extreme legislation. but to allow for abortion up until a minute before birth? how do i know this? 2019 board live act was before that u.s. senate. provide a baby born in a hospital for any reason including as a result of a botched abortion was entitled to medical care. all but two democrat senators voted against this. what's more, when they have seen it senators, republican senators like katie britt from here in

alabama try to address the issue of maternal health and providing services to mothers that critically needed and ensure access to ivf that's a miracle of technology per allows families to bring life into this world who did not think they were going to be able too. there ivf protection act, both of these acts were voted down. they went to create the façade there the part of women's rights. meanwhile they are proposing amendment to title ix that would diminish the rights of women in sports, the rights of women and athletic arenas. the party of women's rights is not my opponent it not this party. >> shomari you have 30 seconds to respond too. >> there have falsehood women do not wait for seven, eight, nine months the mid- before abortion. they cannot point to specific cases because it does not happen

for the bill she's talking about the ivf bill did not go far enough in terms of protecting ivf. that's was voted against prison idea the bill did make it to a vote on the senate. our policies, our practices, our laws yet be given the truth that be rooted in fact sprayed the fact is this is an issue republicans are just not going on. >> was too fun to ivf clinics which was the center of that ruling that we just mentioned. do you consider frozen embryo to be human life question what protection should there be for doctors and healthcare professionals when dealing with those treatments and with embryo storage? >> look i'm running to fight for alabama families to make their lives better. and as i mentioned before i believe ivf technology is god-given to allow the hannahs of this world to have children bring life into this world but as i mentioned i'm a mom and most precious gifts are my kids but when my dear friends

actually here in birmingham had leukemia as a young woman in college. she was able to harvest her exit now is undergoing the ivf process. she is now married with her husband. this is a way for them to have a child she never thought she could have. it is so important to protect ivf and other fertility treatments. it's estimated one in six babies in allen's bama is born through fertility process. i think will be looking back at the litigation was to arrive to the supreme court ruling, we have to find a balance. certainly the family who lost their embryos wanted to seek -- were harmed. we have to find a balance to ensure there is access to ivf. look, ivf is currently accessible in all 50 states. we need to avoid a situation like we had earlier put into question for three weeks.

there a lot of women whose processes put in jeopardy on this issue as with abortion could deal with this in a quick and timely manner with compassion. my opponents everything is more big government. mark: do you consider frozen embryo to be human life and should there be protection for the healthcare professionals dealing with them? >> i believe in less government in this context. i do not believe its government's role at all to be involved in the decision of a woman to make a choice it's best for her and best for her family. look, at the end of the day i disagree with my opponent to .she said state legislation are best equipped to deal with the spirit and using compassion. there's no compassion in the state of alabama for forcing a woman who has been brutally

raped and impregnated to have a baby. there is no compassion. with an incestuous relationship being forced to have a baby. for the court decision that led to ivf. they called into question in the first place for this no compassion in that. these are things the government should not be involved in. here the state of alabama who spoke at some of the worst maternal health care outcomes in america is the same fascination with controlling women, controlling toys and getting government involved in healthcare decisions to women and their families. so, ivf never should've been called into question. five plus decades under roe v wade they're not extreme outcomes that existed. all these abortions has president donald trump and republicans have been to afterbirth that the murder.

that didn't happen. again politics at the rooted in reality and rooted in facts for the reality of the republicans are just not good on this issue of choice. >> caroleene you have five seconds by. >> i like to stay were the compassion is in all the democrats that voted no for the born alive act in 2019. i will provide that data and that was enacted provide a baby born in a hospital is entitled to medical care. explain how you can deny medical treatment to an infant? you cannot trust my opponent he cannot say man is a man and woman is a woman. so just say he is an advocate for women's rights is a little disingenuous. >> i'll give you second to respond to that. i will give you an extra bottle here but seems like an issue, shomari you see my get a reaction to mom to clear up there. >> there is nothing to clear up. a man is a man, a woman is a woman. [laughter]

but, at the end of the date this is an issue people feel very passionate about where they feel incredibly passionately about. it is something that is really impacted a lot of lives here. has really impacted a lot of families. in the state of alabama is a get it right. >> informer question. >> i reply with a rebuttal. >> you would be against the proposed title ix amendment that kamala harris and biden propose. i'm glad you would ensure girls of sports are for girls only in girl's locker rooms are for girls only. >> i hear, i'm glad were having this discussion but here's the issue at the end of the day. i got into this race their issues happening here in the state of alabama. there happening in the state of alabama impacting people every single day. there issues in the state cannot go to hospitals not their people cannot go to a doctor because in

anglo-saxon art have to get to them. people are not talking about boys playing girl sports in the state of alabama. they cannot show an example of this happening. this is yet another example of republicans looking to galvanize fear at smaller pickups were not talking about alabama. we don't need more washington representing alabama. it's true this administration has proposed changes to title ix that would allow boys to play a girls sports in boys and girls locker rooms you got a daughter, i've got two daughters for that's unfair and unsafe. that's all we don't need more washington insiders running washington d.c. >> wouldn't come back if we need to hear. went to move us onto route 48 million americans help their love into each day to remain independent in their homes and communities. family caregiver sacrifice time and money to provide $600 billion annually and

support. so shomari how would you help these family caregivers in congress? >> absolutely. the family caregivers are helping elderly parents and other family members. they provide $600 billion annually in unpaid support. if you were elected to congress how would you help these family caregivers get what they need? >> this is an issue that actually happens in alabama. this is an issue where every single day people are living with this. this is when people need government to be there to provide the type of support that allows the caregivers to do just that. every minute caregiver is taking care of an elderly parent or someone who needs that care they are spending away from their own families. we have to have policies in place and understand that. we have 10 policies in place that give them that expand their financial freedom and their financial ability to provide

such support. tax benefits and expanded coverage through healthcare insurance programs to provide that level of support for these families. but what this gets to at the very end of the day is healthcare access in general. we are in and in environment people do not have access to the type of insurance and benefits that would be there we have to ensure we are doing everything that we can to promote an environment that brings jobs, brings benefits here. this is not taking this seriously with the healthcare across the state. they're very, very hard. all of our caregivers doing everything we can to get as many resources as they possibly can to take on that taxpayer. >> how would you help these family caregivers? >> first and foremost we had to combat inflation.

when the cost of material, supply, the cost of putting food on the table, the cost of putting gas in your car has risen 25% over the past three and a half years we've got to get inflation under control. as i mentioned before that comes from cutting reckless government spending and being energy independence. deregulating. but we also have to fight for good economies. monroe county, where i am from, we lost our paternity or in a county hospital did two years ago. you can trace that back to the loss of a textile industry. when you do not have a strong economic base, that of course healthcare is going to suffer. it's harder to attract doctors to rural areas. it's harder to ensure that you have private insurers as well as medicaid and medicare funding hospitals. good healthcare is dependent upon a good economy. that extends to caretakers as well too. as recently and it and i spoke

with sharon. she said paid caretaker because of high inflation, the woman she works for the senior citizen that she works for cannot afford to pay for her prescription drugs. and also pay for food. sharon is literally using her money to help pay for food for her employer. that's often back to the back of good economy. the crippling of american energy that killed our economy. but especially killed her economic opportunity and rural areas like where i am from. >> if you would like it you have 30 seconds to rebut. >> you just mentioned medicaid. worth healthcare outcomes in the nation. statistically speaking the lowest life expectancy in the country and we are in a state that has refused to expand medicaid but republican republican leadershipand statusd time again the last 15 years.

no better healthcare outcomes commonsense step of medicaid to get more healthcare insurance of and more healthcare coverage. more access into these rural communities but we know the hospital, the maternity ward would stay open. >> back have a question at rural healthcare. after this next one week can be there if it's necessary. recently went to district to print went around several cities in the district and asked voters directly with their most important issues were. we ask them if they're running this debate and had a question, what that question would be? we have a computer here. what the candidates to watch those videos part of two questions but were going to start with shomari figures with a student at alabama state university and montgomery. she has a question on gun violence were going to play this for you now hen following that caroleene you can answer her stripper. >> a question i have is

regarding gun violence. especially moving to this district and significantly more than living in minnesota. a lot of people been affected by gun violence around me. i would want to know a plan of action to resolve this in montgomery. >> i live in montgomery. that is i'm certainly very concerned about the increase in gun violence there. that's making the lives of alabama families less safe. i'm writing to make the lives of alabama families better. i am a mother. i am so concerned, like many of you mothers and fathers out there about the safety of my children on a daily basis. the fact years we've got to do a better job of getting guns out of the hands of criminals. with coding avenues to treat the mentally ill not criminalizing them, finding better ways of treating those who struggle with mental health issues. we also had to do better job of

giving law enforcement the tools they need to get the hands of criminals off the streets and away from guns. this is an issue that's been of concern across the nation. the reality is the last thing we need to do is defund the police. groups that advocate for defining the police have back mine opponent. if anything, we need more funding to ensure that our law enforcement can recruit folks with integrity. give them the training they need to crackdown on crimes in our neighborhood. you cannot trust my opponent to be hard on crimes he likes to talk about the role that he played in obama's initiative which the inspector general for the department of justice said was a poorly planned and poorly executed resulted in the release of 1500 criminals back into her

streets. >> would you say about the gun violence? >> once again i hear a lot of concerns and a lot of problem identification but not solution. here's the truth about it. the truth about it is republicans aren't serious about gun violence or series screaming about the issue. they are serious about addressing gun violence. our republican-led state legislature state house, state center, the republican governor, lieutenant governor would never have backed the plan in the state of alabama to remove the requirement for a permit to carry concern concealed weapon for if they were serious about the be back in plans right now to outlaw here in the state of alabama. you cannot say were serious about fixing gun violence we take the steps and stand up to

the plate and address the issue head on. the federal level what can we do? make investments these types of programs earlier that we know are effective reduce the likelihood one site or the other of a bad decision to get more resources in the hands of law enforcement sure, i've done that. that's exactly what i did until we get more funding for state and local law enforcement officers all types of crimes. at the end of the date gun violence is an issue that's played in far too many communities around here but you have to get to the root cause of it perhaps it's the root causes of it not just sit here and say hey, you're tired of gun violence but do things here in the state of alabama. that literally means the state of alabama.

that makes no sense. there are serious about injecting gun violence that's a position they take if he cares about what's going on in alabama wisely living in d.c. less thang voter was in 2012 this is an issue what we can do on a federal level who releases someone, a drug dealer who is an reelected last year for trafficking events in a bright fence not killing our young people in droves this is ms. rhonda birch from monroe. cracks facilitate question in

monroe county. short and sweet question short and sweet. i'm going to give by opponent and how the government works. the finding that comes from federal government. all these issues we are talking about are inextricably linked to the funding we prioritize what our priorities would be in congress as it relates rural healthcare with the federal government here to the state of alabama has expanded me that almost 15 years to do it and refuse to do it. so what we do the federal level? but we have to do is first passlegislation that re- authors the reimbursement, and the people in this district. we have to be serious about the issue and we have to address it. we have to look at ways to get funding with the services they

would otherwise be able to receive and have the state stand with medicaid. the healthcare outcome they are predictable they literally can take revenge bill provides a level of the community. at the state level and at the federal level have to get serious about providing healthcare if they truly care about life. >> caroleene? >> my mother help support our family by a nearly 40 year career as a physical therapist in rural alabama. she drove hundreds of miles away from my sister and i had the privilege of getting to right along with her. that's where he spent all of my summers growing up was working in her physical therapy clinic in cwmbran, alabama i witnessed first hand the impact rural

healthcare combiners can have those who are most needed, those most isolated. of course i will fight for funding for rural hospitals but i will fight to ensure our hospitals that are in this a district that qualify for funding that they are not receiving qualifies for critical access hospital designation. that they get those designations. as i said before the question of medicaid expansion is for the state. i urge of course for the state legislature and the governor to look at that every state legislative session. and part of the solution to solving the rural healthcare crisis. the reality is a strong healthcare system is built on a strong economy. medicaid alone will not keep rural hospitals open. i can tell you again as the daughter of a rural healthcare provider medicaid reimbursement, medicare reimbursement are not enough alone to continue to support our hospitals at the level they need.

we've got to ensure we have good paying jobs. we have folks with private insurance that can reimburse at a higher level and we have an economic base. again we've also got to address inflation that's causing the price of medical supplies to continue to increase. regulation. for example we have nursing homes in this district. the biden/harris commission back in may implement regulations out call nursing home an average of 300,000 in additional expenses for just to comply with these regulations. preventing inflatin regulation under control if we have a hope of solving the rural healthcare crisis. mark: you have a bottle. >> consulting healthcare crisis or at least at a minimum making a significant dent in progress in that respect. in union springs will still be a hope and had medicaid expanded with options but we need of

leadership healthcare outcomes which the state of alabama has been doing. republican-led state legislature and state government is part of the last 14 years. >> district to his home to the river delta which is the most bio diverse of. sometimes called america's amazon. being hit by the hurricane as well. what policies and legislation do support for combating climate change? and particularly impact alabama's gulf coast? >> i'm so grateful to have grown up in rural alabama. writing on sunday afternoons with my dad, grandfather and enjoying the natural beauty we are blessed with here. alabama families benefit from a healthy environment. in my career as a real estate

attorney i represent land trust and conserving open spaces. conserving our environment. here in alabama also as a member of the forestry commission help to educate alabamians about the beauty of our forest for the fact we have a 23.1 million acres of forest but more than we ever had and reported history in alabama which helps ensure that our country, state is stays more sustainable and wood products and ensures help and vitality of our environment. we have to find a balance between ensuring we are providing underserved communities with access to reliable and accessible energy that they need. the question is how far do we go when it comes to protecting our environment, prioritizing that over the real utility needs of folks the district wasn't the answer is this administration is gone too far. they have crushed american

energy. look at the biden administration's decision with respect to the export of liquefied natural gas. we have natural gas in abundance here. we get energy dominant 30% cleaner than petroleum and the biden administration to stop expert natural gas hurts american energy. raises costs for you and makes the world more reliant on natural gas from russia which has continued to foster the global unrest we see. >> shomari what policies or legislation to support to protecting the coat and combat climate change? >> it's critical that we protect it. i grew up hunting, great fishing, grew up enjoying life outdoors, life outside but making sure that's around for my light time in the future of the kids and their kids. is something important to us and something we have to take seriously. i was in law school here in

alabama the summer the oil spill happened. when deep water rising happened we saw the impact that had we saw the concern that was there at the longtime impact we are still dealing with from the oil spill here on the coast and fortunately we were able to keep it out of much of the delta. we have to be reasonable but we have to be responsible. we have to have informed set of laws and regulations in place to protect the outdoors. and we have to make sure they're actually doing it were not allowed people to violate that and bring negative outcomes it impacts into our communities. i think at the end of the day our environment is important. climate change is real. the people down in florida can vouch for it. the storms are becoming more powerful. they're causing more damage.

our policies have to reflect the reality of that in that contribution to climate change. i think at the end of the day it's importance. that is responsible, and forms, and tailored. >> which like to shoot time to rebut? >> as part of addressing and coping with increased natural disasters that we experience, we cannot ignore the people suffering from this national disasters. we all witness when it comes to helene extraordinary lack of responsiveness. mayorkas saying there isn't the money to make it through hurricane season. i wonder why not? this administration my point was a part of that $1.4 billion on noncitizens. when they advocated for spending an additional $80 billion to increase employment of the irs but they sent one of $57 million to lebanon. >> we have some time in their questions here.

to be most beneficial i've seen that look on each of your faces. i will give you each and then it to rebut what ever question or add anything you'd like to any of the questions he spoke about earlier. so chen fort you can go first and then followed by shomari. they will have closing statements for. >> and it comes to rural healthcare this is an ink issue that impacts every single one of us. it's an impact in rural america. i know we've got to fight for this. there's not a silver bullet solution. as mentioned before medicaid is an issue of funding. we have got to have a strong economy. the policies of the last four years have killed our economy. comes to agriculture we have seen regulations out of the biden and obama administration seek to control how you use the pond at the back of your property. that you have to report to the ammonia admissions of your small cattle herd under the community right to know act iii has put in place in the obama administration of my opponent was working for.

we have to fight regulation. we have to fight inflation. and we have to create economic opportunity in these communities if we ever want to solve the rural healthcare crisis but medicaid is part of it but it's not all of it. >> shomari you have a minute to rebut anything from earlier. >> this republican sentiment of find the immigrants, blame the immigrants for everything going wrong. it is got to stop. my opponent has mentioned several times you cannot trust showed 62x, y, z the truck is you can't trust her on the border. the early part of her career was spent 700 millions of dollars worth of land on the border state of texas to shatter companies owned by development firms. that's fine if that's what she want you in private practice go for it but we cannot do is sit here now and act as if we have the answer to securing the

border that does not appear to be a concern when you're paid millions of dollars take care of land deals for. >> manager about that. i worked for a law firm that help companies fleeing breed ree and create american jobs. some who could not suggesting that in the open border policies that have led to deaths of hundreds of thousands of americans with fentanyl everyday has no business being in congress would benefit in this district from foreign investment from hyundai in montgomery that's responsible for 2% of alabama gdp. thirty-six oh will give you seconds. >> quick rebuttal. >> you've got to own what you did on your website now lists as one of your accomplishments representation of shadow companies owned by mexican real estate investment firms and their acquisition of land here in the border state of texas and

the subsequent use of that land to secure 110 million-dollar portfolio loans. that is not, that is not an act of someone -- other than a business deal for that as a business deal. >> a closing saved like to continue that you can in your closing. each candidate will have three minutes for the closing statement. and caroleene you are up for spare. >> first for. >> first i want to thank aol.com for hosting this debate and for you for moderating it. thank you for all you do to shed light on issues that impact our state. i also want to thank aarp for sponsoring this debate and all you do to protect alabama seniors. i want to most importantly thank each and everyone of you who's watching today. thank you for taking the time to be informed. thank you for recognizing that we here in alabama second congressional district have the opportunity not just to influence the future of our district but to impact in shape

the country for decades to come. this race is incredibly important. my opponent argues that he should be elected because he understands how washington works. the truth is a washington has not been working for alabama families. so just as you watch a few questions do you find that cost twice as much to fill your grocery cart half is full? do you find it harder to buy or sell your house? has your rent increase? do you find your paycheck is so much a fall or smaller while your bills are so much larger? if you answered yes to any of these questions you should not vote for my opponent. he helped put in place policies that have made our dollars go it lasts and made our expenses more. he cannot honestly promise to fix these problems because he

was part of creating those problems. that's why he is the washington insider picked for this race. that is why his friends and a washington in his fancy neighborhood are backing him. that is why millions of dark money dollars were used to support him in this race. they've been shaped by washington. controlled by washington and will do what washington once. washington once a washington insiders to continue to maintain the status quo. but, for the future of your family in the future of my family status quo is the last thing we need. we need economic opportunity. we need our communities to be safe. these solutions to these problems, do not come from washington. they come from alabama common sense and kindness and ingenuity. they comfort here in alabama from folks like a many of you that have met over the course of the campaign trail that had seen

needs in their community and take time to meet those needs. take time and sacrifice. please join with me as we fight together to make life better for alabama families like yours and mine. vote for me on november 5. >> shomari three mr. closing statement as well but. >> thank you for hosting aarp, thank you for cohosting. thank you to everyone who played a role in putting this together but thank you to those of you who are watching. we have a choice. we have a choice in november. what we know is been the status quo here in the state of alabama and republican leadership. the republican leadership and open congress and the senate, state, legislature the status quo. as much as republicans come as much is my opponent was to bring everything on the news democrat she can find the state of alabama has been under

republican leadership i went to last two decades. in that two decades here's what we've got. the life expectancy for all intensive person possesses innate states of america in large part by the republican's refusal to expand medicaid and provide basic healthcare coverage of peoples will go to a doctor in the state of alabama. especially in a rural communities. we had that literacy rate of our children. when the fourth worst in america. the individual movement incomes in the state of alabama's $39000. living a different type of life. a privilege i wish we all had.

the average everyday person does not have millionaire in a niche way shape form or fashion. they have to, they need to. they need government to be there for them in a responsible fashion. they need it. my opponent made this big deal about me being a washington insider. i classify myself as someone who has the experience to leverage washington and i can guarantee you one thing. union springs want somebody that can leverage washington to get more funding to open up that hospital. wanting someone who can leverage washington to help them improve more industry. we need people who have an experience to get things done. this issue being made about my

home. i was born and raised. i live here. least an apartment. register to vote out my sister's house as we understand it. we can play this finger-pointing game or we can talk about the real issues that impact the state of alabama. that is what we will do in congress. thank you. >> thank you for tuning into the congressional district to debate you can read all nyt tv in albas

about an hour. >> good evening i am marcus molinaro life from our studio. this debate is cosponsored by a consortium of the capitol region's leading media outlets. joining me as panel tonight ian pickus the director w amc. shantel destra managing editor of w mht new york now and raga justin investigative reporter at the times union newspaper. nineteenth congressional district is sprawling instructions on the massachusetts border across the catskills and along the southern tier to ithaca it includes columbia, green, part of county. roughly 770,000 people live in the 19th distributed to the ground restful tonight's debates. each candidate will have 90 seconds to give an opening statement. the order was determined by a coin toss a short time ago here

in our studio tenants will ask the question they have 90 seconds to answer their opponent has 45 seconds to respond. i have discretion to give extra time if needed. we'll also have a brief lightning round for each candidate has 10 seconds to answer at the end of the debates. each candidate will have 30 seconds to deliver his closing statement for the candidate who delivers the first opening statements will deliver the last closing statement. our audience has agreed to hold applause during the abbott debate except for right now as iintroduce the candidate's republican at democrat josh riley good evening. >> thank you. [applause] >> the order was determined by a coin flip tonight's and mr. marc molinaro will go first and deliver his opening statements for. >> i chose public service along time ago. i think it's a dignified duty it's our responsibility as

citizens to engage. when i began in local government i look knew them but i learned it has real impacts on real people. fast-forward to today i have the highest honor in my lifetime to serve represent the people of upstate new york and house of representatives. this kid who grew up on food claps stamps in his class family his dad lost his job when ibm downsized represents our 50000 people part of the say that's wonderful beautiful. i have lived in this part of new york my entire life. never turn my back on the people of upstate new york and i never will. two years ago josh riley and i stood together. you rejected his policies and his politics then. why? we have seen over the last four years the abandonment the southern border which is like the 10 million individuals entering this country sing cashless bail, discovery raise the age and policy changes here new york that has made us cut these the policy embraced years ago these are the policies you embrace yet again. i am committed to serving people

of this district because i know ultimately we are resilient we care deeply about the families, the farmers, small businesses and ultimately got to secure our border, keep the community safe. make our communities affordable again and ensure we are creating opportunity for the families, the farmers, and the small businesses that make up this beautiful part of the state of new york. >> thank you. mr. riley? >> congressman happy belated birthday. to all of her house thank you. to the viewers at home if you are a 1-year-old name a tail or a 4-year-old he turn up the tv and go to bed. i promise this is not as good as pop patrol. i love you, i'll see you in the morning. to everyone else i'm josh riley. running for congress because of the lessons i learned growing up. it's a blue-collar neighborhood were just about everybody worked in the factories. and just thought nobody cared about your political party but that it was your character and your work ethic. growing up on a road trip to pick up the cans in the bottles of folks left behind the rest

areas and we redeem them for that nickel deposit for i know for so many of you today that nicholas not going as far as it used to. and our economy the deck has been spat stacked against you it's been stacked in favor a big powerful corporal packs and the politicians they paid to do what's best for their bottom line, not yours i'm running for congress to change that. i do not take corporate pack of money because my vote is not for sale. i'm pushing for term limits many fewer career politicians and more new ideas i am pro-choice i believe that women can make their own health care decisions. i am serious about solving the crisis of the southern border because today's politicians aren't great look forward to our discussion to be my honor to earn your vote. >> mr. riley thank you very much for the first question goes to both candidates it's about the tone of the campaign. mr. molinaro your commercials call mr. riley and they say he wrote the bill giving amnesty to

12 million illegal immigrants. the question is, do you stand by all the assertions made in your ad and those of political action committee created on your behalf? >> josh riley said last 20 years working in los angeles and washington d.c. he did not argue for the supreme court once he argued ultimately before the supreme court 32 times to dismantle border security. do dismantle border security has very legal argument of secretary mayorkas was the president of the united states did not have the authority to protect americans to unilaterally decide certain individuals who entered this country are about to enter this country should his legal argument before the supreme court was the president of the united states could ignore and wave a magic wand and allow individuals to come in and it was that legal argument 20 years working in washington d.c. and los angeles. it was that legal argument this president used to surrender the southern border 10 and half

million people come into this country. ten and half million people come into this country, 1000 known terrorists who have no interest in america or americans coming to this country. this president use of prosecutorial discretion argument that you made to catch and release. and then they come to new york there is a century state because of your allies who simply think it's not important to protect americans and enforce the law. so yes this election has gotten heated. why? american see every day, every day they see the department of homeland security at 600,000 individuals known criminals in this country they see jobs being exported for low immigrant wages. they see crime being committed on their streets. their target insiders like josh riley suggesting they had nothing to do with it. that was your plan, that was your policy that is your legal argument. >> thank you very much for like to respond. >> 's question allows you to respond to it.

mr. earlier to tell viewers does not respect you enough to be honest and they choose mr. molinaro to be a sellout claiming marc molinaro takes the money do you stand by all the assertions made in your ad and political action committees created in your behalf? what you just ask him that question judy didn't hear was an answer he didn't answer if he stands by don't think he does you know it's not true but he just heard about and talk about things i did 20 years ago. >> this is my time, this is my time, this is my time i will reclaim it. i must been a heck of alert 23 years old to do half the things he's talking about. look, he is a 30 year career politician who is desperate, desperate to talk about anything other than his record of failure on the issue. so desperate to the point he's literally making things up. just making things up about the cases. here's what's not made up, here's what is true he's been in office for over 30 years. every one of the incidents he's

talking about and putting on tv that happen on his watch his he is in congress there's a bipartisan bill supported by the border patrol union. served up to him on a silver platter. if he was the slightest bit serious about solving the problem he would've done the right thing and supported it. but he is not. he cares more about having a problem to campaign on than solving the problem. the only thing he's offered to the voters over the last two months on this issue not solutions, not a plan, not a vision, is offered conspiracy theories about haitian immigrants eating pets in ohio. that's incredibly irresponsible. it is dangerous i just speak with the haitian immigrant the other day the effect that has are you going to apologize for that tonight? i take that as a know i will take that as a nobody that is not a serious solution to solve the crisis of the border i am serious about it. >> i would like to respond. >> will give each 10 seconds i

think you both responded. i it's stand firmly. >> i absolutely do i absolutely do the question you asked me was whether you can draw a direct line million dollars in corporate pack checks he has taken to the boat he is taking to the struggles folks are having across the district and the answers absolutely yes. the advertisement you reference was 10,000 dollars in checks he taken from an opposite set on his hands the ad that iran talks about the two. [inaudible] >> at $200,000. >> are not the moderator. >> allow them to jack up grocery prices and crusher small farmers. then waterpik with all due respect that's an outright lie. first of all this is not one time you argued this was not 20 years ago. he worked for the most politically connected law firm in washington d.c. we argued on behalf of mayorkas to sort of the southern border pretty worked and then for al franken

in the halls of washington d.c. writing a mass amnesty bill that resulted that would result not just coming into the country beginning cell phones and transportation. that is exactly and, by the way expanding social security benefits with seniors and citizens all across the new york have heard two illegal immigrants. in the state were democrats want to extend the right and one more thing with all due respect, you know this. the federal government does not set electric rates. new york state does. kathy hochul and allies set record rate. i joined democratic congressman pat ryan calling for the resignation of leadership we have been fighting on behalf of people. [inaudible] it's 50% rate hike. [inaudible] picked up two or fact checking? [inaudible] but she has her next question,. >> this question is for the congressman. been criticized amplified

unfounded claims haitian migrant in springfield, ohio were capturing eating pets. what is your response to the criticism your claims of inflammatory in danger to migrants? >> you have missed all of the year end half of us arguing for real border security. i voted for the strictest border security policy generation. the president of the united states chose to not negotiate not to engage and instead turn his back. he turned his back on mayor eric adams who is begging for assistance. congressman pat ryan a call for emergency action to intervene. this administration did no such thing. why? these legal argument josh riley may just turn to the border. beyond that, a year ago we had a woman raped and abused by illegal immigrant in the catskill region of new york. only weeks ago we have an illegal immigrant who kills a woman in syracuse, rapes a woman in the capitol district. no one wanted to write about those things. people were not angry enough about that but yes, is out of

character for me. ultimately assault and respect those who want to come to this nation legally we need to have a process that supports that. i will not back down to making the argument that because of the policies of this administration were less safe at our southern border we are less safe in our northern border and created a system where new yorkers in upstate new york is it treated as second-class citizens. they are angry and i as the representative and angry for them. correct mr. riley? what so love to hear and answer the question as to whether he stands by dangerous or harmful conspiracy theory he's been pedaling he did not answer the question. maybe you're embarrassed about it? i would be if those words had come out of my mouth. here's the thing. both parties have failed us terribly. with respect to the seven border. both parties i've been very critical of the by demonstration. the congressman is reading off a litany of horrors. all of them happen on his watch. all of them.

he had a bill sitting on his desk that was bipartisan. said they did not negotiate for they did negotiate that's the result of the negotiations but that was a result of the negotiation. instead of doing the right principal thing and accepting that bill and supporting it, he did what was politically expedient for this is what you would expect out of a 30 year career politician is desperate to continue his political career. >> investigative reporter for the times union. >> mr. riley, vice president kamala harris your parties present and shall not many men had lunch she said she no longer supports a ban on hydraulic fracking. you agree with new york state band do you support ongoing efforts to expand the definition of fracking to one that uses carbon dioxide in the process instead of water the comment method when the practice was banned a decade ago? >> a look at our energy policy in two respects on this. first in the short term. we've got to lower energy costs for folks across upstate new york that's when the biggest

challenges we have economic development across the region are high energy cost goes back to something we talked about today. a lot of you saw 62% increase in your bills when i am your congressperson going to fight to make sure that does not happen because i'm not taken the corporate pack checks i don't have to do whatever they want me too do. longer term, clemenceau shorter-term i think we need to look at all available energy options. i am deeply skeptical however of these projects proposed by big corporations to take energy in upstate new york we found too often in other states and getting taken out to the border into texas. that's a source of deep skepticism for me. longer term we have to have a vision how we get the true energy independence and lower costs. cost group for me with that vision is, advanced

manufacturing in the united states. building the solar panels here in the united states but here in upstate new york not in china or mexico building batteries were my family used to work before those closed down. we should be investing in the advanced manufacturing to rebuild the middle class also have a sustainable energy policy. my opponent voted to kill all of those investments in green energy manufacturing under the inflation reduction act. the steeply responsible. mr. molinaro you have 30 seconds are quick to greater american great americanenergy independeno drive up both our capacity to provide american product and not rely on venezuela and countries around the world that do not have her interests at heart but got to be supporting nuclear technology and micro nuclear technology certainly i've led the bipartisan coalition and supporting renewable and alternative energy. in fact, called on the administration and congress to

ensure we continue to direct tax credits and assistance to the kind of manufacture that does make upstate new york solar panel, wind turbine technology, excuse me battery technology all of which is the next wave of manufacturing here in upstate new york. it is rich to listen to you suggest some how you are pure on this issue. sure law firm that represented chevron it's the work you did. the very corporation that's been stealing jobs from upstate new yorkers and 36 unions. >> have a great deal to get to. i'll give you 10 seconds honestly. can you save that for your closing statement? >> congressman. i've long been concerned with appropriate and affordable childcare options in upstate new york. how would you go about promoting affordable childcare policies

for new yorkers with young children who are struggling to balance working outside the home and raising their family? >> i know this one firsthand. i'm the father for children one lives with a disability try axing daycare with an individual with an intellectual physical disability we know the challenge bike wife is a preschool teacher belief you beget it. one of the biggest challenges besides housing costs as access to affordable daycare. which is why he led the effort to ensure tax bill we adopted the house this year includes expansion of child tax credit. i absolutely believe this is one of those tools is not only helps families to lift themselves out of poverty provides a real real meaningful relief. additionally would create a pathway we can educate and enter the field of daycare so we can expand the workforce there are more available to their care

options for families. at the same time we have got to be sure businesses, governments also provide assistance when it comes to daycare which i lobby making these corporations as they come to upstate new york to actually create set-asides for ensuring access to daycare. and they invest in daycare for the families they family leave and paid assistance to county employees. for not only caring for but provide support as they get older. it is really one of the biggest challenges. we should be leveraging medicaid assistance counties are required to use medicaid assistance to drive down and provide support for those to provide daycare for pickwick thank you. mr. riley. >> universal paid family leave universal childcare. we have to make that investment or working families across the district. i was just at a picket line with

their healthcare workers in the catskills but usually with i am with them talk about challenges in the healthcare industry. the thing i heard over and over was access to childcare and housing prices. we should make those investments some people do not choose between their job in the childcare they need. i say that all the time. one of the questions i get is josh, how are going to pay for it? how are we going to pay for it? no one ever asks how we're going to pay for the 114 billion-dollar tax cut that he voted to give big corporations and billionaires in his first month and congress. nobody asks how were going to pay for the $20 billion per year we are spending on oil subsidies. something he voted for his part of hr-1. nobody asks ever going to pay for the carried interest loophole three of billions of dollars to hedge fund managers who got to start investing her people. >> thank you very much. >> for mr. riley do you believe

democrats and minimizing their private concerns with president joe biden's performance hurt public trust in the party and down ballot candidates like you? >> to be really candid here i have not given it a lot of thought. most voters do not ask me about that they asked me about policy issues. also it frustrates me about the democratic party and which probably calls in erosion and some trust. i think both the democratic party and the republican party have completely failed us with respect to the border. it's the worst of politics to have all these politicians playing around with the issue because they think that is what is best for their political career. we need real solutions to this problem but bipartisan comprehensive immigration reform setting thousands of additional agents to the border. we could have done that there's this abipartisan bill on the tae rejected. it would detect the fentanyl

coming across the border. both parties have completely failed on that issue. another example i will give you or disagreements and concerns of my own party is with respect to trade policy over the years democrats and republicans got us into terrible terrible trade deals preloading china and the wto for getting us into a enough for those trade policies decimated the community sector open when i saw my friends, families, neighbors loser jobs but that something we have to reverse i think both parties need to come together and do that. >> when the democratic party woke up and realized joe biden could no longer serve as president josh was asked if he supports the vice president but one day he did, the next he did it. >> i been very, very clear. i very clear i support the nominee. [inaudible] i've been very clear. i'm not supporting the guy who ripped roe v wade and try to overturn our election will tell you that much. you are.

cooks of all the respect he says but we support the vice president he did not have an answer in fact when they did the next day said he didn't. here we are in the only debate my opponent would agree too. we agreed to six debates you agreed to three you agree to one and backed out of another the difficult question to face the people we represent are not being asked of josh riley because josh riley has spent the last several months hiding behind $20 million in campaign ads. i think we ought to hold both parties accountable. i don't think it's right to be lectured to about democracy from individuals who wrap themselves around a part of the woke up one day, through joe biden under the bus and into the nominee. >> let's have a debate. >> i would spit speak to voters and not to one another. let's do lunch the next question. >> mr. riley how are you

planning to address the issue of inflation elected to congress this year? >> the challenges of folks in the face across this district and across the country it all comes back to corruption in our politics. i said this in my opening the deck is stacked against working folks in this country it stacked in favor of these big corporate pacs the corrupt politicians they hate to do its best for them. let me give a couple of examples there is a young family and liberty over it cinco de mayo. probably late 20s or early 30s had two little kids when i talk to families across this district, i talked about is my first question is not are you democrat republican who are you going to vote for? my first question is what is it that keeps you up at night? what is that you and your family are thinking about the kitchen table the sumitomo josh, we are really concerned the grocery prices are going up. just announce a 62% rate

increase. were already struggling to pay the rent keep a roof over the kids heads. this young couple's having to deal challenges something we all know it's corruption in our politics grocery prices are going up because the big bag monopolies have paid my opponent $20000 supposed to enforce antitrust laws to put his head in the sand went to jack up rates real estate industries have paid a ton of money to not address the housing crisis in this country but we've got to get the corporate pac money out of our politics and get back to politics her people. >> when the families in this district speak to me, when i travel in upstate new york i

know i have lived in upstate new york i know the pain they feel. we feel it too. we paid central hudson high rate i shouldered the burden of free taxes i know the families and the farmers and small businesses understand. we shoulder the highest burden of property taxation and america. it's the reason by the way upstate new york leads in migration they leave the state to other states in the country because the high cost of living. we have been confronting and fighting this. continue to fight to drive down costs. it's a y in the house tax bill we adopted this year i thought for a real class families. both the income tax and property tax relief i will continue to hold the state of new york responsible for the increase. they are the ones driving up costs. with all respect to my opponents, he's taken in about a million dollars in corporate interest. he wants to make this argument about corporate tax but millie

does some corporate interest, tens of thousands of dollars in the very corporation to work for, the chief executives. [inaudible] and 12000 donations with no information. please do not lecture us on corruption. cooks thank you very much. >> the next question is for congressman this mick mr. molinaro. you said you do not support a national abortion ban. you also oppose late-term abortions. how do you define a late term abortion? would you support a nationwide ban after certain point in the pregnancy? >> site witnessed the millions of dollars my opponent has used to lie about my record i said i would oppose a national ban. i oppose a national that i am committed to opposing a national ban i made a tv ad saying i will vote on national bad i been consistent on this.

a couple of these publications on times union cnn called him out two years ago for lying on my position on abortion. i want families in upstate new york to understand this, i absolutely respect the decision you make. i want the decision trust between you and your physician. not washington d.c. it's the reason i'm the first republic did not only come out and make clear up my position on a national abortion beth which i would oppose it. i led as a first republican and support a computation of ivf in a speaking of families republican, democrat upstate, downstate who made the choice use ivf to bring life in the world and know how heart-wrenching it can be. i believe in codifying and protecting access. the reason as a republican i lead access to birth control i believe at the end of the day women ought to be respected for the choice they make and access to the support and care they need. which is why i lead a bipartisan effort to expand access to

healthcare at rural communities like the ones we represent pretty sure there's access to prenatal and neonatal care and will continue to fight to ensure women have access and support to >> >> he is lying to you. he is lying to you pretty voted not once, not twice, not three times, not four times, he voted 13 times in the last two years to restrict women's access to abortion services. when he was behind closed doors in the fall of 2022 right after roe v wade was overturned he expressed his support for an abortion ban. there's a woman i met at hickory park after he took one of those many votes. her name is karen. she is a marine veteran has three daughters who are currently serving in the military put some in places that are now trying to restrict access to abortion services. she saw my opponents a voting record and said you know josh, my family and i have put our lives on the line to defend freedom. it is unacceptable to us that he

is down there and congress voted to take hours away. i'm going to make a commitment to you. you send me too congress, i will do what he has not done i will sponsor the women's health protection act put up a roe v wade back into law because women's health care decisions are women's healthcare decisions and politicians like marc molinaro can stay out of it. >> mr. riley thank you. >> you have criticized the biden administration and democrats including your opponent for the situation at the southern border. but, bipartisan compromise build agreed to back in general was killed former president donald trump pressured republicans to abandon it saying he did not to give president biden an election year when. why should voters to believe you are earnest about finding a solution to the situation? >> and voted for the strictest border security policy generations. secure american borders act and by the way legislation to secure the northern border. senate compromise which never came to the house with the senate compromise codifies the

problem and ultimately by the way takes taxpayer money off of transportation, housing and support the enter into this country illegally. a billion dollars with of your money being directed to house and transport illegal immigrants to student click to your embracing giving access to healthcare, 40000 housing cardio and talk about pressure on housing? that is simply unacceptable. the bill did not secure the border it was not something i think ought to become law. we got to secure the border. but when you ask that question i would pose to you, president biden killed the house bill. nobody wanted to negotiate the problem until after 10 and half million people entered this country. they did not wake up one day and say or one case he believed in surrendering the southern border. he went time and time again making the legal argument the president of the united states is not have to follow the law. that the federal government could simply allow individuals

to enter into this country without background checks. without consideration for criminal background and yes it's how killer ends up in new york with the legal argument he went 32 times before the supreme court to argue. this is a serious challenge and americans know and feel like they're being treated as close second class ultimately what they see as an administration that is not willing to enforce the law. the president should have begun negotiation with the house the second we passed hr to print the psychopath the border security bill and negotiated an agreement. what came out ultimately of the senate was never going to pass the set of perhaps they should take seriously the very question why we would allow 10 and half million people into this country. correct thank you. >> can respond to this? boy, was a 30 year career politician sound like? certainly not taking any responsibility for in this step to tap in his three decades in office rest try to keep track of

all the excuses and other people to blame here but this is the thing is in state and local government for decades. when he is in state and local governments above the federal government had now is in the federal government blaming the state local government. at some point do your job. do your job democrats and republicans stopping politics with this issue and solve it. there's a gentleman i met at the county fair in august. he told me he had lost his job at a factory but when he did he lost his health insurance. he turns on the tv and sees a migrant crisis in new york city where his taxpayer dollars are being used to bail out the politicians who are failing to do their job on it. everybody's got to stop scoring around the democrats, the republicans, stop screwing around's and the agents to the border. sending technology to the border and get it done. it was served up to him on a silver platter he did not do it. his exact words he voted for the strictest border security bill.

that bill had bipartisan opposition to it. why? it literally would have criminalized our dairy industry. there are other members of congress of big dairy industry opposed it because that bill would have criminalized dairy farmers across upstate new york. >> that is a one that's absolutely untrue. we carved out protections for the dairy industry because i've lived in upstate new york i've dealt with the dairy farms and the challenges they face. [inaudible] [inaudible] >> let me finish but let me finish. you can have a conversation we have some time but more importantly, the president of the united states put into practice your legal argument. your legal argument too. >> s.trooper. >> we adopted the policy that secure the border. instead, instead, this president did what you argued should be dead. and here's the thank you argued the president could simply josh rarely argues the president could simply wave any adherence to the law by the president of the nights they should enforce the law but your legal argument to say he did not have too.

that has led to 600,000 criminal illegals entering this country i did my job. if you did your job by representing mayorkas. >> i didn't have a chance to address that request given the opportunity. >> i think this is really important. there is one case. noted this magic handbag of numbers coming up i don't know where that comes from. do you really think that's true? i'm trying to understand her boxers filings is 32 program trying to understand if you actually think that's true you don't know you're talking about. >> i did is 32. [inaudible] pic i do not want to talk about it's very important for this one case i handled and a hand slipped on behalf of who questioned senior clement security officials from republican administration. what were they arguing? they argued be of limited law enforcement resources in this country per part of the reason we have limited law enforcement resources is the politicians are screwing around the issue. they argued is we should use our limited law enforcement

resources of the highest party cases. the drug traffickers, child sex traffickers. the violent criminals with limited law enforcement resources you have to make choices but they said we should choose to do the highest priority cases and not use those resources to rip little kids away from families and put them in cages. this is the last thing i will say on this but it's very important you know who agreed with that argument? a conservative united states supreme court. just last week during the vice presidential debate jd nance agreed with that. law enforcement agreed with it. on june 22, 2019 a gentleman running for governor in the state of new york named marc molinaro who agreed with that position he was right then he took a hard right turn to the dark. >> now that's way off. forgive me for one moment. we've gonna wait long on this but it is an important topic that's what we're allowed little extra time but it's going to mean going forward to going to have little time to respond to quick perfectly fine this is a question right now. it is a matter parties in this

country josh pointed to one case 32 separate on behalf on behalf of the surrounding and dismantling border security pay trump argued the president of the united states did not have the capacity to stop tours to mention this country but that was his arguments. and usb texas josh riley argued the president of the nicest sum at the fall the allowed states like texas to protect themselves and the onslaught of illegal immigrants coming into this country. using the discretionary argument he made this a president put into practice a policy that said you could claim asylum and enter this country but what we saw 10 million people enter into america without any background check without any screening. and for the record again the border patrol unit and supports me, why? they know i take seriously need to not only secure the border but to lift century city policies to reinstate state in

mexico. >> i think what just happened years extraordinary and newsworthy. he named two cases he keeps saying 30 to 11 or the other ones are they do not exist seeming to cases of pics 32 submissions you made on behalf. >> were going to give a few seconds but. >> not true he is just lying for the two cases we talked about one of them it was one he agreed with an cento imprint on june 22, 2018 that we should use limited law enforcement resources to traffic the drug traffickers and not to rip innocent kids away from families and put them in cages. he mentioned the hawaii case. do you support a muslim ban question that is what that case was bigger support terrorist. [inaudible] everybody does everybody does. [inaudible] progressive thousand known terrorist. [inaudible] we dealt. [inaudible] this is really important goes to who we are as americans and who we are's upstate new yorkers we

do not, in this country banned people from entering the united states based on religious litmus test we do not have same signs as a no juice lead, no catholics allowed no muslims at lot that's of the case was about. my father-in-law wears a turban and the prejudice he faced in the country that he came to to build the american dream and to have the federal government then say we are not going to a light into this country based on your religion, i fought against that i will do it again for. >> thank you. we are going too. [inaudible] board immigration were going to give you each 45 seconds to respond the next question. this is for mr. riley were going to turn to the middle east now t of the two part question. first, do you agree senate majority leader chuck schumer that is really leader benjamin netanyahu is an impediment to peace and should be replaced with an join to see any restrictions on u.s. aid to israel given the campaign in gaza and the elements in

lebanon? >> i was at cornell university a couple of days ago october 72 commemorates the tragic events of that day people we saw on that day was absolutely horrific and barbaric. i want to be very clear. hezbollah, hamas or brutal terrorist organization backed by iran that needs be taken off the face of the earth. that is what i believe. you asked about conditions on aid to israel, into israel's arctic condition but i think israel should be subject to the same conditions with respect to aid as any other country but is a critically important alley for us but both because of historical and moral geopolitical reasons. at the same time there are a lot of concerns about the way the war has evolved over the last year. it is really hard to turn on the tv and see little kids being pulled out of rubble and little kids starving and suffering. so we have to bring this war to a close i would support a plan that would end the fighting, get

our hostages out per provide humanitarian assistance where it's needed put us back on a path toward a two state solution for. >> your 45 seconds. >> i was in bennington university and the days after the attacks a year ago. and made it clear then what he think america should make clear we stand shoulder to shoulder. no conditions no restrictions has every right the extinction of hamas. i saw in the moments after those attacks increased moments and we saw the ugliness of anti-semitism that erupted around her college campuses and communities all across america. what frightens me is it jewish citizens essene escalation of hate and violence prego visitor individuals have been living peacefully all the said have children and their lives being

abandoned with threats of violence brought against them. we need to confront anti-semitism as the cancer it is. and yes standing with israel not only to defend itself but to bring hamas to its knees to ultimately bring the hostages home but we as a nation must make very clear if you harbor individuals and support individuals and intolerant ways against jewish americans that's not something to be accepted for. >> can we notes the hypocrisy of some who just announced his support for muslim ban and oppose the white house task force on islam a faux bit lecturing us about bigotry? >> draft, with all due respect, please i said and you know the argument against trump v hawaii. it was meant to protect america from terrorism because of the policy of this administration has put in place a new argued for amnesty, catch and release,

prosecutorial and century city policies we have 1000 known tears and entered into this country have 10 half-million people enter into this country was 600,000 known criminals. at the end of the day this administration and band of the southern border and the northern border using your legal argument. folks there because a 30 year career politician blame everybody else. cox and other topics we want to talk about so let's move on. >> or mr. riley federal data showed a provisional decreased opioid overdose deaths for the first time in years. some optimism current health policies do you believe cap that was the "crisis or do you believe there's more to be done customer if elected what policies would you support with fentanyl trafficking and opioid overdoses? >> there's a huge amount that still needs to be done. i grew up in endicott, a factory

town just about everybody worked at a plant that was somehow is w connected to it. his folks have the flower shop down at washington avenue. everyone was connected to the plant in some way when the politicians and special interest close them down ship jobs overseas we sought real challenges across our community the opioid epidemic ripping through was one of them. one of my really good friends down on the corner was killed because of it. i was just with his mom a couple of days ago. our buddy mike was a couple blocks back was killed one of my best friend's mom was killed because of it. i have seen the damage this is called the two things i want to do about number one, secure the border. sending technology, get off the shelves. go do your job, pay for the technology to go to the border to detect the fentanyl. pay for, get it done, stop the fat in the from coming in. second we need a surgeon treatment. we do not have enough beds across this district to do with

this challenge and back in 2017 i advocated in a bipartisan way for treatment facility to go there. it was very effective but the demand far outstrips the supply. >> eyewitness far too many people struggle with substance abuse disorder and lost their lives to fence annoyed and synthetic opioids. and southwark county efforts to assist those who lived with substance abuse. she knows what we know which is far too much functional and synthetic opioids are pouring in across the border, secure the border. too not only support law enforcement at the border to intercede in drug trafficking. what we must do is secure the border, enforce the law and cities like new york with cashless bills would let those e supreme young people get away with continue with no repercussions.

i have support additional reinforcements to engage in drug trafficking interceding in drug trafficking. those law-enforcement agencies endorse in this race support my candidacy they know we sit shoulder to shoulder with them as a low good local elected official and led the creation of community-based mental health and substance abuse treatment program which is now the model the state of new york uses we must have access to treatment for those who do a substitution. to greater independence. >> the alliance on substitutes and ultimate of the treatment they deserve. that's why margaret jason gardner democrat county executor to bring about that kind of treatment that's why were working to do the same. every community and america should have access every person should have access to treatment for. >> thank you very much. >> congressman in 2016 you said you refused to vote for donald trump and former representative chris gibson and stead yet eight

years later after trump is been convicted of dozens of felonies and has been impeached twice plus lost the last election have endorsed him. why a different approach this year? so watch last four years inflation pouring down and burning upstate new york assessing the costs and the burden of small businesses and families and farmers in upstate new york. i watch as this administration abandoned the southern border 10 half-million people enter into this country i have seen quite frankly far too much devastation and loss of lives become substance abuse disorder and opioids coming into this country but i believe this administration abandoned its responsibility. i have a hard time embracing somebody runs for office and says pay no attention to all the crises we created higher me i'm going to fix them. i just believe ultimately we need a government that respects the people that focuses on driving down costs, secures a border protects americans creates opportunities for everyone regardless of their background.

>> does a very different question a response twice supporting donald trump? i don't know that i can necessarily speak to that. if i were to guess what the actual answer to that question is, it's politics back in 2017 he was running for governor of new york very a blue state probably was not good for his politics to support president trump at that time. now he's running for a different office in a different place he put his finger in the air so which way the wind was blowing and decided to change his position. by the way that's exactly what is that with respect to abortion women's healthcare decisions. for 30 years he's been a politician in every single step of the way he has been antichoice. now he realizes it is election season pass on a popular position to have and now all of a sudden he's saying he thanks things differently.

it was the information team that you lead that silenced, bullied and intimidated harry -- harvey weinstein's victims. the decision should be left to a woman and a physician, not washington. i oppose a national abortion ban and i will continue to look to extend access to the treatment support and care necessary no matter the choice. >> he can actually put some action to his words. when you commit tonight to cosponsor the women's protection

act? >> i will do nothing but diminish his actions. >> it would just put roe v wade. if you believe anything coming out of your mouth. >> we have to move on. >> former president trump has still not conceded the 2020 defeat. if he loses the race to vice president harris next month and again disputes a result without evidence, will you vote to certify harris' victory? >> that is my commitment. i will return to this. you have heard this consistently there is only one person on the stage it is made millions of dollars working in washington, d.c. and it sure the heck is not me. you can see the tv has corrupt politicians. a candy line that people like you use. you are the problem in washington, d.c.

you trade relationships empower think you can come back to new york and buy yourself a congressional seat. i gave myself the public service losing loved ones. i have sat with families who have seen their homes destroyed because of fire and flood and responded. you have a tv ad out that says i've done nothing in 30 years. twenty years of local government lead on reducing the cost-of-living for the people we serve. we have made a lifetime commitment to ensuring that they have a government that respects them. you continually argue that somehow you are free of the corruption. 12,000 contributions. you are the one that took 30,000 dollars not-for-profit. to do what, i do not know.

>> this actually is not that complicated. i don't take corporate backed money. >> you had your time. you had your time. >> and you guys moderate this debate. i do not take corporate backed money. never have, never will. he has taken nearly a million dollars in corporate backed checks and you could draw a direct line. stuffing it in his pockets to jack up the grocery prices. >> no such thing. there is a clock there, you can see the time. i am just asking for my time. >> you interrupted me every time i've had an answer. >> he said that my position, he has not done anything. >> can you please? i know this is hard.

he said that my position is he has not done anything during his political career. that is not my position. he voted to have $114 billion in tax cuts to corporations. he voted to cut assistance. over 20% cut for programs desperately needed. you just cannot escape your voting record. you voted 13 times. this is what will happen. he will say this is not true. you will see for yourself. >> we have enough time for you. >> my campaign did not create the quotes. >> chantel has the next question you have 30 seconds to respond. >> do you get to vote for the equal rights amendment on your november ballot this year? >> i don't know how i can be any more clear on this. they belong to women not

politicians. roe v wade being overturned was one of the worst cases in the history of this country. citizens united which open the floodgates was one of the worse. the dobbs decision was one of the worst. the equal rights amendment will undo that damage by restoring roe v wade into law. my opponent has been office for 32 years. every single step of the way including back when he was in the state government. he opposed putting roe v wade back into law. we are now seeing the damage that that is causing across the country. not only is it in the equal rights amendment in the state, but we should be talking about what is happening federally on this issue. the women's health protection act has been sitting on his desk restoring roe v wade into law. i will sponsor it. >> the amendment that you referred to what codify biological males playing in girl sports.

women have fought very hard in this state in this nation to get to have equal access to athletics. equal respect onto the law. this amendment goes too far. what also troubles me is the amendment would expand protections to illegal immigrants. this is all part of the democratic plan in the city of new york. to expand access and protection on the new york state constitution, what new york city tried to do months ago which is extent voting rights. >> we have closing statements and neither of you will get an opportunity. mr. riley, first. >> thank you. thank you all again for hosting. i come from a republican family. i know that today our politics seem hopelessly divided. i have had an opportunity to travel all across this district and all different political backgrounds. you have given me hope.

i know we are not nearly as divided as a people, a political establishment and the special interests what have us believe. we are hard-working decent people that have each other's backs. those are upstate new york values that unite us and those are the values i will take with me to congress. >> thank you. >> i truly appreciate the honor being here and truly representing you in the house of representatives. this was the spirited debate. i have crisscrossed this district for the last two years meeting tens of thousands of people that i serve. i serve you. i know that. we are supposed to respond to be responsible for you. our office reaches out to citizens and residents regardless of political background. we don't ask your political affiliation, we don't ask you you voted for. we just ask how we can help them we want to help the i work with republicans and democrats to get the job done. i am asking for your support to continue to do the work on your behalf. >> thank you, gentlemen.

inviting other area candidates to debate this season. the two of you are the only ones that agreed and for that you should both be applauded. thank you to our panel of journalists here tonight. it is exactly 26 days until election day. please get out there and exercise your right to vote. on behalf of all of us here at news channel 13, we wish you a good night. [applause]texas u.s. senate race

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both agreed to meet here in dallas tonight to discuss their philosophy. and discuss how they are different if one of them is elected when one is elected to represent us in the u.s. senate for the next six years first the rules for this debate. both candidates agree to the following candidates will get 90 seconds to answer a question but his opponent then gets 90 seconds to respond will go back to the first candidate for a 62nd rebuttal. an additional follow-up of 60 seconds will be at the discretion of the moderator. quick several countdown clocks and student with this the candidates can see tonight to help keep them on track timewise. anally both candidates will get one minute each to introduce themselves here in just a moment the end of the debate they will get another 60 seconds for closing statement. let's welcome the candidate for u.s. senate in texas tonight for democrat colin allred and republican ted cruz. ♪

>> gentlemen thank you each for being here tonight. mr. allred you won the coin cost you chose coverage of 60 seconds. next thank you all for moderating in ted cruz thank you. i am a husband and a father i was raised here in dallas by single mom who was a public school teacher i've been shaped by every part of the state. my grandfather was a customs officer in brownsville's were my mom and dad were born and raised and i spent a lot of my child i was captain of the football team trade for the nfl draft in houston i've served my hometown in dallas and congress for the last six years in that time up in the most bipartisan syntax and in congress i'm the exact opposite of senator who is the most extreme in the art state senate may be the most extreme in the last 30 years. that's not enough is also only focused on himself that's how you can go to cancún millions of texans needs you and hundreds are dying. the truth is we do not be

embarrassed by our senator we can get a new one that's what this election is all about them asking texans give me a chance to do it. >> editor give 60 seconds of your opening statement too. >> thank you, thank you jason, thank you to everyone at home listening. texas is an incredible place on the son of an immigrant who came from cuba with nothing, penniless. washed dishes making 50 cents an hour but came to texas to seek out the american dream. and colin allred is the son of a single mom who became a football star who went on to baylor combo and onto the nfl, now is in the united states congress. it is incredible both congressman colin allred and i have that represent taxes the nicest congress. tonight i'm going to ask you to listen very carefully to the difference between words and actions. colin allred's going to try to save an awful lot of words that sound reasonable. what is not going to talk about is his own record or my record.

i am over and over again going to take us back to actual records. his record and my record. we are doing an awful lot right in the state of texas. colin allred wants to change that i want to keep texas, texas pickwick center that is your title way to begin the debate with two big issues that are personal to texans. saturday the first question is for your texas of the strictest abortion bans the united states is no exception for rape or incest as you know. in 2021 yuko concert at bill in congress and included those exceptions. your later supreme court overturned roe versus wade, he said you get the texas law that has zero exceptions for tonight the question is where do you stand on this? we are opting for your personal opinion as a texan and us as a father. >> will listen, abortion is an issue many texans and americans care deeply about. it is an issue people of good faith can disagree. people are genuinely and deeply pro-life people are genuinely and deeply pro-choice. they're all sorts of positions

and between pete i agree with united state supreme court that under our constitution the way we resolve questions like that, questions on which we have real and genuine disagreements it's at the ballot box. that is why the state of the law now is the legislature in austin's at salon texas he would not expect texas laws to be same as california. he would not expect it to be the same as the orca. on the question of abortion there's a lot of berries would disagree but there's also a lot of consensus. in texas we overwhelmingly support that parents should be notified and have to consent before their child gets an abortion. in texas we overwhelmingly agree late term abortion in the eighth and ninth month is too extreme. i will tell you in texas we overwhelmingly agree taxpayer money should not pay for abortions. unfortunately congressman colin allred's voting record objects that consensus.

he is vote in favor of striking him texas laws that gives parents the rights be notified and consent he's legalizing abortion up to and including the eighth and ninth month of pregnancy. that is extreme it's not with people of texas are >> center that your time. >> senator looked into the camera and light to put texans about my position but let's look very clear you should speak into the camera and explained to her why is said this is perfectly reasonable question is forced to leave her two children behind and flee our state to get the care she needed but look into the camera talk to who is watching explained to her why it's perfectly reasonable that because she had a complication in her pregnancy was denied care so long she may note never be able to children of her own brother 26000 texas of enforcing a birth to that rapist child under this law you call perfectly reasonable. it is not. this is not freedom.

trust women to make their own health care decisions. allie and i had two baby boys here in dallas in the last five years. you're scared the entire time for you do not know what they're going to say i cannot imagine at the doctor come in said is a problem with a baby or a problem with allie and there's nothing i can do because ted cruz thanks he knows better but that's not who we are as texans but when i'm in the night state senate will restore woman's right to choose people make roe v wade the law of the land again. and make these stories of seeing these horrific experiences going on all of the night say something of the past. that is my commitment to texas >> congress would think a center you do not directly ask the question of going to ask it to again do you suppose exceptions are rape or incest question mike asking as a texan and father tonight pickwick soon to be very clear if you listen to jennifer's answer at no point did he make any reference to his own record. he desperately wants to hide from the fact that as a congressman he voted to strike

down texas parental notification law. he voted to strike them texas him texasparental consent law. he voted to legalize late-term abortions including the eighth and ninth month. he says he was a cockfight roe versus wade but that's not what he voted for. outside what tonight i suspect it's going to run away from his record on whole lot of issues. we have a website called facts.com for it every time you get sent answer click on that and find out we will show you the exact vote he cast. i asked with the law should be in texas that's a decision only by the state he is running all sorts of ads saying i made this decision. i do not serve in state legislator not the governor. the folks who make the lot of the state legislature and governor he knows that. oxen want to jump in here. it's too important. >> will give you 60 seconds because i want to be very quick to people of texas i support the protection and the restrictions under row. but senator cruz called himself

pro-life hurt you or not. you're not pro-life but is not pro-life to deny women care so long that they cannot have children anymore. it is not pro-life to force a victim of rape, to carry that rapist baby but is not pro-life that are maternal sky rate by 50% that is not pro-life senator prep for x every texas woman at home and every texas it might watching us understand that when ted cruz says he's pro-life he does not mean yours. >> sentiments give you 60 seconds why is this an issue want to address about saying whether you support or oppose? >> jason i'm curious why do you keep asking me that question but one for second i have asked colin allred twice about his voting record the fact he voted to strike down texas parental notification law and parental consent law. you have not asked him about that. that is his record. he does not deny it. he gives language that is disconnected from the actual voting record he has a part and listen, my view i believe in

democracy. if jen ford is not the decisions made the decision of the governor made, he is welcome to asked to run for state legislature and governor and congress either one of us have a boat i have not voted to strike down texas law. congressman allred has. congressman allred is voted to tell you, a mother at home, you have no right to know if your daughter is getting an abortion but that is an extreme position. and i can tell you the overwhelming majority of texans do not agree with congressman allred extreme position against parental rights apart against the rights of a mom and dad to be with their daughter in a horrific and challenging time pickwick center let's move on to the topic. >> was turned aboard a security congressman this next question is for you. in 2019 you called trumps proposal to expand the border wall racist. you said my generation will be the one that tears it down. but last year you said you supported president biden's plan to expand the border wall.

congressman, why the change? >> thank you for the question this is personal for me my families from brownsville. my grandpa was a customs officer there he joined the department in 1930 my mom and aunt work raised and where i spent a lot of my childhood. border communities are real places for folks trying to raise their families and get ahead. so time and again, senator cruz treats like is going on the support he comes down and puts on his outdoor close and tries to look tough. he goes back to washington and does nothing to help. in fact he does worsen nothing. toughest border security bill in generation came up at the night state senate, $20 billion to border security he said we do not need the border bill. that is what he said. listen, this is a pattern for him he is never there for us when we need him. when the lights went out in the capitol of the world he went to cancún. january 6, when a mob was storming the capitol he was hiding in a supply closet. the toughest border security bill generation came up in the

night state senate, he took it down. we do not have had a senator like this. let me be very clear i believe in physical barriers are part of a comprehensive strategy to secure the border. we had a bill for $20 billion for thousand new border patrol agents. for more immigration judges, or seven officers to help deal with the backlog. i want to make sure you pass that when i'm in the senate we will put will also fix our broken illegal immigration system. senator cruz's been there forever and is a nothing to solve this problem why would we believe he will six more years? >> entity of 90 seconds for response. >> on to note once again hidden his entire answer jen for zero reference to anything he has done in office. as jeffries rightly noted in this question, congressman allred said publicly if you believe border security matters, he thanks you are a racist. he calls the border wall quote that racist border wall. he has a pledge to tear down the racist border wall personally. and he said quote we will not

have that wall in this country. and by the way, that's when his consistent voting record is voted as the board about not once, not twice, but three times. every single time there is a serious and measure in the house to secure the border, colin allred vote no. it's a pattern we seen at the presidential level it's what kamala harris does as well. in understand at home, colin allred is kamala harris. their records of the same but i've served with both of them for they voted in favor of open borders over and over and over again. and now they are desperately trying to hide that from the voters. at the end, congressman allred says ted cruz is not done anything on that. but my record when donald trump was present i worked hand-in-hand with president trump to secure the border. we achieved incredible success. we produce the lowest rate of illegal immigration and 45 years to be that is what joe biden in kamala harris inherited. it is what colin allred

inherited they deliberately broke it and open the border. texas is paying the price of precooked senator that is your time. congressman allred in your 62nd response can you address the original question? why was trumps border or wall clocks listen, listen as birch i got bored security that we do not fall into demonizing. take something out of context and seven years ago which is what is trying to do. he does not want to talk about what he said this year we don't need a border bill. so i've a simple question for you, $20 billion for 1000 border patrol agents, for 100 immigration judges for personnel to help us have technology and catch mental coming across the border, why did you not support that comes senator? that's a great question. but you cannot have my time. then allied. [inaudible] [inaudible] >> i'm not yielding my time. [inaudible] >> i'm asked the question you can answer any of it your time. >> the we had a bill.

this is a pattern. the toxic tough but he never shows up. we have a phrase for this in texas all hat and no cattle for that is what senator cruz is. six more years this, come on he's had 12 years to do it already. give someone who will a chance. quick center take 60 seconds bring. >> congressman allred's memorize designs well. i will said this he asked what he be done? we produce the lowest rate of illegal immigration 45 years. working hand-in-hand with president trump. he did not address that pretty also did not address the fact it did not take a bill for joe biden and kamala harris to and colin allred to break the border. you can watch and listen to congressman allred talk about the border and all read fax.com. he also said a couple of years ago he said i don't hear much about the border here in dallas is not a top of mine is shipped out to staff represented dallas in the whole state i hear about everywhere i go hear about

alice, the folks concerned about the dallas woman who venezuelan gangs and broke into her house, and tied her up, pistol whipped her with a gun. threatened to cut her fingers off and robbed her to hear about in houston from the mother the 12-year-old girl who was raped and murdered by venezuelan illegal immigrants that joe biden kamala harris. [inaudible] lecture not listening in texas precooked leisure time. >> demos move on to different the topical cycle if the economy the high cost of insurance. in the last five years of premiums for home and auto insurance and taxes have risen faster here in texas and anywhere else in the country. some insurers of stop writing policies that limit the coverage. this is happened to places like florida, california, climate change is causing extreme weather events for the question, senator, insurance and the federal solution? >> no it does not. insurance is much better handle of the state level. i will tell you when it comes to

inflation, inflation is caused by the policies of kamala harris seat and congressman allred. kamala harris and congressman allred came in and went on a spending binge they spent drawings of dollars we did not have. they borrowed trillions of dollars in china that we did not have and they ran the printing presses. i and many others said if you do this you're going to drive up inflation. they did not care. texans at home are experiencing it. refining harder and harder to pay your bills if you are a working couple buying your first home if you are a single mom worried about getting braces for your daughter the inflation caused by kamala harris and congressman allred spending binge is turning texans across the border. i got the help he inflation has been exacerbated by kamala harris and congressman allred war on energy, oil and gas in texas. understand over and over again

joe biden kamala harris put executive orders in place to hurt energy and congressman allred his vote against texas oil and gas and energy over and over again. he voted in favor of joe biden's ban on new permits to export liquid natural gas pretty voted in favor joe biden's ban on new gasoline powered engines at present eight years, two thirds of all cars have to be electric congressman allred voted in favor. oleksander, that your time i will live to respond to cocksure. i agree insurance is better handled at the local level than the state level talk about inflation. i was raised by single mom is a public school teacher in a state where we do not hear teachers and oxford i know what it's like to go to the grocery store line and collector debit card and say little prayer and hope this week you can afford i've been so laser focus on lowering folks costs and lowering the cost of your prescription drugs, on your health care, on your childcare, on your housing but without is a good idea to cap the cost of

influent insulin for $35 a month ago to port and senator cruz agreed and disagreed we try to cap it for a good one in four americans are rationing intelligent with that means? you're not taking the medication you need to survive. we said let's make sure this is affordable. i voted for, senator cruz voted against it. it's not surprising he's also the biggest recipients of campaign donations from big pharma lobbyist in the entire united states and it is true. this is a pattern somebody goes to the ritz carlton and cancún do you think he cares about inflation and working families? his entire career springtime china cut taxes for the rich ant looking out for working folks. when i'm in the central assembly represent all 3 million of us mixer keeper was on lowering costs of your weekend regards congressman thank you salary of 60 seconds regards tina once again congressman allred takes a responsible for his own voting record no responsibility for the toys is betting that have driven inflation but no responsible for

the warm texas energy lng and oil and gas but instead what he said is gosh, is devoted to lower the price of insulin but so did i put on the senate floor to lower the price of insulin to a dollar a viable joy the democrats blocked that. portable insulin as soon as joe biden and kamala harris came into office they pulled that out. you know he also voted in favor of? he voted in favor of taking $300 billion to medicare. and using it to pay for kamala harris pet project. using it to pay for health insurance for illegal aliens. driving up the cost have gone up 20% and are projected to triple. i will fight to lower reprimands make it more affordable and give you the consumer greatest choice. lexis move on to a topic that's been a hot button issue in your

senate campaign. congressman, your opponent is saying and political ads you refuse to protect the integrity of women and girls sports the most recent ad came out today. congressman where do you stand on transgender athletes click close be very clear about what's happening in this campaign. don't be a former nfl linebacker to realize a hail mary when you see when it burrowed desperate d attempt to distract you because you cannot defend his own record. i'm a dad, i'm a christian of course they do not support these ridiculous things he's talking about. kids in bathrooms you're not thinking about women in hospitals. indefensible that way from hospitals living out in their cars in waiting rooms being found by their husbands. all of the sudden perfectly

reasonable of a girl is raped by a relative of hers, victim of incest she should be forced to carry that child to term and give birth to it. you think that's personally reasonably going to set yourself up? it's laughable. i've never seen someone run for office on what he hasn't done it one of the least productive senators in the entire country. you know that. i talked both times i cannot think of anything ted cruz is done to help me in my life. i'm going to lower your cost on securing the border, she choose that is what i'm focused on. >> senator cruz at 90 seconds to respond about striking once again that answer he said not a word about us on record but have to admit at the beginning of it reminded me of kamala harris in her debate answering everything look, i was born in the middle class. it's lines that sound nice but ignores record protect what is voting record but again you can

go to trance evidence he devotes. four times he has come out for men playing in women's sports for boys playing a girl sports he is a cosponsor voted for a law called the equality act for the quality act mandated boys to be able to go girls bathrooms and their locker rooms and their changing rooms pretty voted for paris that is his record. number two there is a bill a very simple bill narrowly defined as protecting women and girls sports. he voted no. the only issue on that bill was whether biological boys should compete against our daughters that's not fair. congressman allred was an nfl linebacker it's not fair for man to compete against women. the third time he signed on to something called the transgender bill of rights. explicitly and he cosponsored it, mandated boys compete against girl sports. just two weeks ago congressman allred joint 100 radical democrats in demanding our

military allowed drag shows on military bases. paper soldiers to have sex changes using taxpayer money. and pay for children to be sterilizing a sex change on military bases. again that is extreme that's not texas that is voting record oleksander that is your time. congressman would like to respond? you have 60 seconds. >> yes it is a lot. stand here as a proxy for millions of texans who are sick and tired of this act. when genzyme starts talking about sports the only thing he played is left out. set this one out please listen, i do not support boys.girl sports i don't shoot. [inaudible] let me speak, let me speak. folks should not be discriminated against poet senator cruz should try to explain to us why he thanks they should. but ultimately, what he is trying to do is a thing called distraction to distract you from his record of doing horrific

things or folks in the state. abandoning us when he needed us most. of not being here when we needed him for that's what he's trying to do and that's why spend so much time on this. >> i would like 60 seconds on that. >> have a question for you in the 60 seconds. parents of transgender youth are worried about the safety and well-being of their kids and say ads like these like the ones you are running are dangerous. what you say to those parents? >> look, we should protect every child. and we should protect every person. i have advocated for checking the safety of every child, every person, regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, everyone deserves to be protected against violent crime, against discrimination. but congressman allred is not said that parties not voted for that is voted repeatedly for a lot of you all at home for example sought to biological men competing in women's boxing at the olympics. that was wildly unfair. my youngest daughter plays volleyball. it's not fair for a biological

boy or man a teenage boy despite the volleyball at her. he has voted repeatedly in favor of that. if you do see extreme read the letter congressman allred signed it's on allredfact.com. you can read it do not trust my description of it. read the words yourself. you know he argued for? military bases should have drag shows and fly a transgender flag above it. probably old fashion bread daily flag that should buy above our military flag should be military flag up a quick 60 seconds to respond clearly outline where you stand on transgender and women's sports. >> like is that i do not support boys playing women's sports but let's be clear about the equality act is a bipartisan vote in congress. it is endorsed by the u.s. chamber of commerce. so folks at home who do not know what that is it's basically the biggest speaking for the business community national natl association of manufacturers. this is not a radical bill. what saying is people should be

discriminated against. what ted cruz want to do it again he wants to distract you for that's what is going to do. he's been here for 12 years. folks think of i think of you i hear about all the time it's turned the page and let someone else. >> thank you congressman. senator, let's move on to january 6. a question for you, your words and statements of change in january 6, 2021. at one point you call the insurrection a violent terrorist act. saying anyone who commits an actual act of violence should be prosecuted. president trump has said he was consider pardoning the rioters. would you support that? you have 90 seconds. >> thank you for that question but my view is clear. anyone who commits an act of violence should be prosecuted should go to jail you assault a police officer, you should go to jail for very long time. and by the way that's true whether happen to agree with your politics or disagree with your politics. i've spent 12 years fighting to defend the men and women of law enforcement by that's why been

endorsed by the leaders of organizations over 44000 law enforcement officers but that's why i've been endorsed by kim all the district attorney in harris county. she is twice elected democrat the chief law enforcement officer in houston. she has endorsed me and this current race. why customer joins a centered and will send with law enforcement bring a lock up criminals and fight to secure the border. and unfortunately congressman has voted not once but twice in favor of defendant the police. right here in dallas and went up 17% and centered it went 57%. you don't hear them talking about the black lives matter at

riots that burned city across this country. if you commit an act of violence you should go to jail. there should be no political favoritism in that regard. >> congressman 90 seconds to respond. >> that was really something. you cannot be for the mob on january 26 and the officers but it's not funny. i was on the house floor when we went to the boat you objected to the results in arizona. you all at home may not remember where you were on january 6, what you are doing. i knew where i was and i know where he was. they told us to reach under our seats for the gas masks that i did not know we had. they were going to pour teargas and there attended the officers locked all the doors the president walks through to deliver the state of the furniture we usually use toll paper. seven months pregnant with her son at home whatever happens, i love you took off my suit jacket

and prepared to defend the house floor the architect of the attempted overthrow center cruz was hiding supply closet that's okay i did know him to get hurt by the mob. i really doubt this election is about accountability you could not be patriotic when your side wins. for the first time in 250 years this a project of ours, the shared american project we did not a peaceful transfer of power. the folks responsible have to be held accountable that's weightless that cheney has endorsement got involved in this campaign and sing to texans ever do not put ted cruz back in the position of authority. he sent it once, he'll do it again. >> energy of 60 seconds for a rebuttal. but answer the question, would you support pardoning of those convicted of capitol riots questioned. >> a look i think the biden/harris and mr. asia persecuted some and engage in peaceful speech if you are being pursed to give her peace will

speak to should be pardoned. if you engaged in violence, absolutely not call me should not be parted. but let me say something interesting. the far left her so angry right now per there so much hatred. congressman allred just snarled at me you are a threat to democracy. let me be clear i do not know congressman allred i have no animosity person i do know is voting record it's radical and extreme. your talk about threats to democracy question was sick bothit happened a few weeks agoe saved active. provided that to prove you are an american citizen congressman allred voted no 11 half million illegal immigrants open border policy and congressman allred voted no to protecting our elections and ensuring people do not vote illegally. that is a threat to democracy. senator thank you let's move on to another topic judgment it will shift a foreign policy statement gives no more

practical military goal for israel it can achieve in gaza. i was a u.s. senator how would you hold hamas accountable for the worst terrorist attack in israeli history back october the seventh of 2023 question of what military approach would you like to see israel take at this point in its war? what's a spigot at the beginning october 7 was a horrific terrorist attack by a terrorist organization, hamas for the worst attack on the jewish people since holocaust. they bear the responsibility for this word is a war of choice by them but israel has a right to defend itself and i have always stood up for the right to defend themselves. over the last six years as in israel not long before the attack happened. this was along the gaza border. while i was there we shared a meal we are also face time with a palestinian man in gaza city, father of four per document strengthening ties between palestinians and israelis.

on october 7 is a sight of what is a really general called the massacre. i do not know what has happened to that father for. i can tell you this, folks on both side have a future one that's free of the cycle of violence. it is time for us to reach a negotiated settlement to bring the hostages home. you also bring the remains unfortunately, the ones have died in captivity. hamas must be held accountable. and they will. according to the defense minister they are no longer in a position to be able to pursue it october 7 attack. let's also be very clear there is a vote in congress to provide aid to israel, to provide aid to ukraine, to taiwan, top of the humanitarian situation in gaza. i voted for it senator cruz said he voted against it. you vote against the critical funding. >> congressman thank you center, center,same question for you but military would israel take at this point multiple fronts or open up right now per. >> thank you jason proceed this issue is one of the clearest

differences between congressman record and my record. when i was elected 12 years ago i resolved then to be the leading defender of israel united states senate part i worked every day to do that. to stand up and fight to support israel. i am proud to stand with israel. our position would be america's dance unshakably with israel. when president trump was a present i urged him to move our embassy to jerusalem he did and i was there the day we open the embassy in jerusalem but i've never seen such celebration. when president trump was present i urged him to pull out of the disasters are read nuclear deal, he did it as a single most important national security decision of his entire presidency. congressman has consistently lined up against israel but the beginning the biden/ayres administration he urged them to send money to gaza even though it would go to hamas he has supported kamala harris and joe biden flowing over $1 billion to around 90% for funding comes from iran.

congressman invited a radical imam here in dallas who called zionist monsters has compared them to nazis. congressman allred calls on the very best of north texas i do not support those who engage in anti-semitic abstinence. the funders are among congress biggest supporters. we need clarity, we need to draw a line. as for me and my home we will stand with israel. >> center thank you for that congressman of 60 seconds for a quick sniff to talk about this. there was a boat it's not about talking it's about action. we had a vote the united states congress to provide military funding and aid to israel. to ukraine common to taiwan free mentoring issues and around the world part of the aid package was a $5 billion interceptors using the iron dome to prevent the iranian rockets that just rained down israel couple weeks

ago. that happened in spite of senator cruz. it was very illuminating votes. the extremists were the ones he voted against it. the far left voted against it the far right voted against it i think they're only 18 senators to vote against it. ted cruz is one of them you cannot tell me you support israel when the rubber meets the road and you are not there. let's also be very clear we have to find and negotiate the book medic settlement to many of these issues that's what i'm going to try to contribute to when i'm in the united states senate. >> 9060 seconds to respond to that charge there. what did you vote for? what's let's get into it. so congressman allred is right there is a bill on the floor of the senate i oppose that bill why? i said at the time joe biden in kamala harris are going to float money to gaza give it to hamas but frees weapons to israel per that's exactly what they did. after that the house of representatives took up a bill to provide emergency weapons to israel and congressman allred

voted no. understand every single time congressman allred right now in this debate he is echoing the calls of the enemies of israel saying cease-fire now. he claims was nothing else to be done militarily. it was one of the most targeted military actions we have seen. the radical left organization that undermines israel at every level. and i've got to say, that is dangerous but right now colin allred and congressman allred both once the vote of the anti-semites in college campus. they threaten they should be arrested. they should be expelled. they should be deported. >> center that's your time. but let's stay right here. as she meant she been a strong advocate of israel's right to defend itself. that world court has found it plausible israel has committed acts that violate the genocide

prevention. do you think israel bears any responsibility for the civilian deaths and humanitarian crisis in gaza? if 90 seconds. >> i think there is no country on earth that fights a more humane and targeted in just a more than the people of israel. the world court the international court of justice is filled with anti-semites but they repeatedly attacked israel over and over and over again. i've got real experience there. when is a solicitor general of texas i presented the state of texas fighting it's the world court. we want to six -- three victory because the world court was trying to attack texas, just like us trying to attack israel. israel goes in number one it deliberately targets military targets. mention the pages before. but i've never seen military action that was that leadership of hezbollah decided to get these pagers you would be just enough of a psychopathic terrace that hezbollah wanted you on that page or print it was precisely

targeted. israel, they go in and say for example military operation and a family that's in text all the civilians there they dropped leaflets, they drop what is called a knot bomb on the top to make a noise to tell civilians to clear out by this no other nation that goes to the steps it does to avoid civilian casualties dude who is responsible for the civilian deaths? how must they use human shields be less talk about records but i introduce legislation to sanction hamas for using human shields for that legislation passed into law. it is one of the 101 different pieces of legislation i have enacted. joe biden in kamala harris refused to support that labbe will not. [inaudible] >> you're out of time. congressman is there any does israel have any responsibility for he that crisis? >> i would agree with senator cruz that hamas is a terrorist organization that hides amongst the civilian population.

it's part of their battle plan. they anticipate and want civilian casualties. they put their tunnels beneath the playgrounds, beneath elementary schools. they do this knowing they make it more difficult to target them without it causing civilian casualties. no one in texas or across the country should shed any tears for hamas. what we can do at the same time as have caught it within our hearts the capacity to say we want to prevent unneeded civilian suffering. that's something i've always believed. that we can separate poorly done this entire history of the country parade this is what makes us great it makes democracies like israel great. we can separate the church leaders of the group from the people who are being subjected to that. and so to meet what we have had to keep our focus on is trying to provide as much aid as possible to innocent civilians in gaza. to make sure children are not being unnecessarily targeted.

that has to be our responsibility. that something i will continue to work on in the senate when i have a chance. >> thank you congressman. >> do i get 60 seconds? we are going to move on. quick senator but is 90 seconds. >> i apologize we got off track we have a 62nd response, sir. >> again congressman did not address his own record. that's a pattern at every record. you can go to allredfact.com's he has a vote against providing weapons to israel you can see that letter signed he joined with over even though the b is for terrorism. i lead 19 centers and urging the administration, do not send money to gaza because it would be used by hamas for terrorism but we now know how joe biden resolve that. the administration concluded it

was highly likely you would be used by hamas for terrorism. but do you know what they did? they sent it anyway they waved laws when it comes to records you do not hear it here anything congressman allred has done pay what i have done i've authored and passed 101 i stand with israel they should destroy. if on another issue it's a pocketbook question something you mentioned earlier tonight. here at the grocery store as a child and swipe the debit card and say little prayer for you and your mom since the pandemic food prices have soared 25% as everyone knows here tonight. senator elizabeth warren other democrats wrote to president biden to use his executive authority to lower food prices. since you did not sign the letter what is your idea to bring down food prices?

i know what it's like to be a dead dead dead broke. and to hope something comes along student get to that week. that's why i've been a laser focused on controlling texas constant lowering them everywhere possibly can. for six months it was in place they can when it hits a bank accounts santa cruz opposed it. it's been a tough time for the middle class. we are alleviating their tax burden. they invest in new generation of housing to make sure we increase our housing supply and lower the overall cost of housing.

when i'm in the senate will be very. >> how do you lower food prices? it's integral part of the tax cuts congressman opposed the drug tax cut work incredibly well. purpose out the lowest unemployment in 50 years. we sort real results. we saw the democrats they there whather parents not to hao work that's been inflation and food. listen, kamala harris congressman allred have undermined our farmers and ranchers every day. i'm proud to be endorsed by the texas farm bureau to fight for the farmers and ranchers in texas. they put bureaucratic regulations to make it harder and harder for farmers and ranchers to survive.

but nothing hurts more than the cost of energy. whether it is the national gas that goes into fertilizer that they use to farm crops for the diesel in their tractor of the diesel in the trucks bringing food to the stores. the energy skyrocketing prices are the result were on texas oil and gas. congressman allred voted for whr billions of new taxes. joe biden's aunt ban on new gas while starting in eight years two thirds of all cars have been electrical et cetera that is your tiber want to redirect the question your name was not on the letter how do you do it question. >> there where there is price gouging going on we have to have the agencies responsible for that looking into it.

and may be very clear about something and don't bully me and read op-ed wrong thing for national security i will be a defender of the texas energy economy. what senator cruz is telling is not true. >> 9060 seconds and indirectly responded there what he said iss false brickwork center we don't have time. want to get a few more topics in her final minutes per. >> give me 30 seconds. give me 30 seconds because he illustrated what i said. [inaudible] [inaudible] what center we need to move on. >> let's change it topics.

topics. both of you say you believe that in protecting fertility treatment like in vitro fertilization. after the supreme court decision there. why it hasn't happened? >> that's a great question is very important going to get to an a second i do need to respond to it congressman allred said up a question of 90 seconds for a guy said at the outset there's a difference between words and actions review notes lng what congressman allred said i wrote an op-ed about a paid it's true he doesn't claim he supports lng. but when it came time to vote there is a vote in the house of representatives do you support joe biden's ban on new permits on lng? and congressman allred voted with joe biden he voted against texas jobs. by the way in south texas 18 million-dollar new lng export terminal struck down by it left a wing and judges for the kind

of judges congressman allred supports at because five or 6000 high-paying jobs in south texas parade this is an agenda where his record, yes his words sound good but his voting record his first four years in the house he voted one 100% with nancy pelosi did not deviate on the single vote which meant he voted against oil and gas in texas jobs repeatedly. ivf incredibly important topic. i am the author that would protect ivf as a matter of statutory rights a clear protection ivf i strongly support ivf for gas weight is not passed? because democrats cynically stood up and objected, why? they want to campaign on the issue. my legislation had passed to be unequivocal and federal law ivf is protected for every american to democrats who blocked it. quick senator that is your time. congressman ivf 90 seconds.

>> center cruises tell you something that does not match with what you're seeing from others is probably because he is lying. as named by an outside group the most bipartisan texan and congress. not just an election year like is trying to change his image in this election year. over the course of my six years in congress let's talk about ivf. ivf did not need protecting until he got his way of going after it. no it was thinking they needed to protect ivf until he was singularly responsible for pursuing and putting in place of judges of the district court level, folks who were put at risk this miracle technology. it's not just for them. he ran for president in 2016 supported the first amendment first amendmentyou know what th? it's bands of certain forms of birth control. you did. you can look it up, folks you do not have to believe me again you've been seeing him lying to for 12 years let's have a senator who doesn't. i will always protect ivf it was at risk because of him.

>> 60 seconds for a rebuttal pickwick let me say you can watch the debate on the senate floor where he tried to pass a medical regulation. the democrats stood up and objected cynically. not to say there's something congressman allred said that he says all the time he said this independent group rated him the most bipartisan member of the texas delegation. i've got to see if on that quite odd so when you look at this group. how can someone who bowed to one 100% with nancy pelosi, which is what he did his first four years, how can he beat bipartisan? congressman allred voted one 100% with joe biden and kamala harris the first two years happy to be called the most bipartisan member question but then i thati discovered this group a bunch of democrat donors they say on their website we don't look at votes but we do not examine every vote so he can votes he votes exactly like nancy pelosi. but yet this group gives him camouflage true or false to first for use in the house he

bought a one or% of nancy pelosi? >> false books editor that your time. congressman you can respond. >> we are on the same time you can respond. >> i want to ask you this question. she was give $25000 in down payment assistance people to buy the first homepage is also proposing 48 billion-dollar innovation fund to build more affordable housing's in texas read the question tonight, you support those? >> on me address the bipartisanship then. over 70% of the bills have cosponsored over six years i've been bipartisan. do know what? u.s. chamber of commerce's and of the group you might have heard of, the jefferson hamilton award for my bipartisanship. thus on a question what is in question is your recent transition to try to become the one to get things done and said being hyper- partisan. let me go back to housing here. the focus have to be on increasing our housing supply. we have to build more housing more affordable housing left to make sure it is connected to our community.

this is happened to be a focus for us i was in the obama administration and urban development for this is been a need for us for a long time but we have not addressed it fully. when i'm in the senate will make sure we will bill affordable housing across texas and across the country. that will help lower costs for folks it will also increase the supply. we have to do it. we've got three people a day moving here. and you know what? we have to invest center infrastructure want to talk really quickly about that. there is a build spring $35 million to texas over five years. bipartisan for structure law. i voted for, senator cruz vote against it are growing as fast as where you have to have infrastructure to keep up with everybody. without that is not a good idea pick senator you have 90 seconds or progress comes to housing nothing is driving up housing costs as powerfully as the 11 half million illegal immigrants congressman have a lead in with open borders they want to keep letting in. but, let me say we talk about

bipartisanship and record let's compare actual record. i have endorsed me in this race have been the leading champion of jobs here in texas for 12 years. in six years of house congressman allred has authored and passed three pieces of legislation, three. in my time in the senate i've authored and passed a 101 different pieces of legislation. two different bills to create new interstates. i 14 from west texas to east texas all the way to the atlantic ocean. a liberal democrat, we passed it by that's going to produce thousands of new jobs. i 27 a new interstates is going to run from laredo through west texas to the panhandle all the way up to montana. i democrat from new mexico that will create thousands of jobs. i authored legislation to expedite the permitting and for bridges in south texas will

create thousands and thousands of jobs for south texas farmers and ranchers refers to my legislation x a bit i think those bridges as a single most legislation to protect mexico trades in the u.s./mexico/candidate trade agreement. congressman allred is no record of point to. rec center to thank you. you declared you support the initiatives that kamala harris is proposing $25000? >> to be clear we have to start the housing supply before we get into. >> how do you pay for that? >> listen this is something that will have to be a priority for us. it's an important question and how you pay for something for their certain investments that bring back more than what you put into it. you have a housing shortage you have to build more housing. it has driving up every other cost per it's really hurting our young people. you have an investment infrastructure $35 billion what's happening because i voted for in spite senator cruz voting against it.

what comes the chips and science act which was a good idea i was part of passing in the house. was hoping to pass in the senate to bring back high tech manufacturing to texas and america. we are voting for, senator cruz is voting against it. our economic output has been in spite of him. when i am and i'll make sure and part of the hard work we do to roll up our sleeves. >> congressman. thank it feels like the time his phone her in the studio tonight. i hope our viewers have got something out of this. it's time to make your final pitch to voters. you one that coin toss you chose to go for she is 60 seconds. quick someone to thank you for moderating you did an excellent job what i think senator cruz were spirited debates. john lewis used to say we might've come around different ships or the same boat now but we are all americans that we are all texans but we have a leader will bring us together around a

shared values that's what i'm starting to do my six years in congress. that is the exact opposite of what senator cruz has done you seen it for 12 years were the most divisive senators the entire country. if you do not like how things are going he is singularly responsible for his introduce this new kind anger attainment you get people upset and podcast about it, write a book about it and make some money on it. you're not there and people need you. like when the lights went out 30 million texans were relying on the center and churches spring into action. he went to cancún. that is who he is for got you give me the chance to be the united states had her own never leave you. i am asking for your support and vote. >> senator cruz of the final we have 60 seconds were quick to stakes in this election of the highest of my lifetime. congressman allred kamala harris are both running on the same radical agenda. congressman allred's pledge to be the 50th vote for chuck schumer to end the filibuster

approach and the requirement of 60 votes to pass major legislation. that means if congressman allred is elected we will see the democrats number one strike down every voter integrity law in the country. number two d.c. and puerto rico for new democrat senators. number three, grant immediate voting rights to every illegal alien and america that would turn texas blue every statewide elected official in texas would be defeated in the next election. and pack the supreme court. that would jeopardize our fundamental rights. i've spent 12 years of fighting every single day to defend jobs, freedom, security. the shares nancy pelosi and kamala harris by all fight to keep texas, texas for. >> jen what we want to thank you for spirited and animated but respectful debate tonight before we go we want to remind our beers it's hard to believe but

election dates coming up here shortly. early voting begins on monday october the 21st election day is tuesday the fifth of november that's three weeks from tonight where we will have a winner in this race and find out who will serve texas for the next six years. we appreciate watching the texas debate tonight. do not forget to make a plan before you go vote if you show up at the polls otherwise or might be a long line. make sure you have a plan before you get there. have a good night. to control

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♪♪ >> welcome. welcome. i am thrilled to be here. >> thank you for coming. moms all over the country watching tonight are very eager to hear what your positions are on all of these issues.

they have some questions so we can ask some questions. a vice president pick exactly three months ago today. >> i did not even realize that. it felt like three years ago. >> it does because we were there >> the days are short, but the weeks are really long. it is like marine corps boot camp. it's going so fast you don't realize it is passing you by, then you wake up in here we are. >> the last three months. >> what has that been like? >> while there is so much i could talk about. we are proud of these guys and we are very grateful to them. having a secret service detail is very weird. i have not driven a car in three months which my wife is probably happy about because i have a bit

of a lead foot. all the mobs are probably happy that jd vance is not on the road the last couple of months. it is so unusual because you show up to the grocery store and they are like 15 guys surrounding you with little things in their ear. even if they have no idea what you are, somebody has to be here because all the secret service is around. there is no anonymity anymore. it is one of the things that just come along with the territory. we are having a good time. what is different for running for the senate than for vice president, i ran for the first time a couple years ago, i joke, right around the back of a used subaru owned by one of my staff members in our right around on a 737. a little bit more comfortable than it was. this is partially just because, you know, life happens and we had our third baby before the

republican primary when i was running for senate. this time the kids are two, four , seven and they can come with us and they are part of the journey a little bit. it is a really cool thing to see the country from the perspective of them. it is been a very nice thing. a great family event for all of us. >> together on the tucker to her talking about how you may have had to cancel on tucker. [laughter] >> you didn't visit any carnivals became you -- before you came here. >> we are not too far from her she. so, yeah. again, you are surrounded by secret service and everybody knows who i am now. every time they do something there 10 different iphone cameras trained on me. my 7-year-old, i really want you on a roller coaster at hersheypark.

you have to go on one of these spinney rides afterwards. i do the roller coaster, it is great. i think to myself, i am going to throw up. it was going so fast. you could see these cameras from outside the ride. when i throw up, it will look like one of these old sprinklers it will be captured on camera for the entire internet to see. luckily, i held together. i think they may have stopped the ride a few seconds early. but, you know, whatever revenge my son, ever wanted to get revenge on me. >> that was a very miserable two minute spinrite. my son, where else do you get to go to all of these different theme parks and see all of these different parts of the country.

>> that is a great opportunity. >> again, you see it through their eyes. they make little observations. they are really into the cherries that we bring home. or we go to hersheypark. they have all of these recedes theme treats. they notice things that i don't think you notice if you are 40 -year-old guy. i think that noticing has been a really fun part of this. >> while. supermom. >> she really is. my wife is this amazing person. she quit her job when trump asked me to become his running mate. i really brilliant corporate litigator. we do this i will make it as easy on the kids as possible. i will come around and travel with you. if we do this let's make it a

family adventure. i will tell you a story. one of the first times that the president actually met my wife, the first time i talked in any detail we were throwing a fundraiser for him. you are so beautiful, so glad to see you. he is a very engaging guy despite what the media tells you about them. he is actually very warm and normal person. he oscar what she thinks about me being involved in politics. it is a very diplomatic answer. my son really loves public service. i'm just really thrilled to be able to help them out where i can. trump goes, yeah, my wife hates it, to. [laughter] >> i'm so glad you brought up trumps honesty. >> that is what i love about

trump. he finds the real truth in something. he just points his finger right at it. >> a lot of people have brought up the fact that you are not a big fan of president trump and that you are very vocal about it i think moms would like to know, what changed? >> a lot changed. one i become a father. my first was born in 2017 in my second a few years later in my third a few after that. when i became a father i took a slightly different perspective. a little bit more protective, a little bit more worried about the future. you know, becoming a dad change your perspective like that. there were a lot of predictions made about donald trump's four years of office. i think for swing voters on the fence, there are a lot of

predictions right now being made about donald trump. that is what the media and the democrats say. i am ashamed to admit it but it's more important to be honest i kind of bought into some of the lies in 2016. then he was president and take-home pay was going up faster than it had probably in years. the border was secured. they also donald trump would start world war iii yet we had more world peace around the globe that we had had in a generation in this country. [applause] politics is sort of, i think the incentives are all messed up in politics. people don't want to admit they change their mind. there is this thing where you try to pretend that even though it's obvious you screwed something up, you never want to admit it.

i thought this would happen. something else happened i was wrong. it is okay to be humble and say i screwed something up. for a lot of voters still in this sense i would say the very same thing they are saying about trump now they said in 2015 and 2016. i think that we will have an even bigger and better presidential term because we have so many more big problems to solve now than we did even in 2016. basically, he did a hell of a job and it's important to say i was wrong. >> they have a lot of questions. every one of their questions relates to the first personal experience that they had. >> they all shared very moving stories are personally affected them. now we have a question for you. >> i wish i could have seen them i'm sorry i'm a little late here you do not always control your

schedule perfectly. thank you. >> the first one i have here is, >> my family and i were trapped five days living the nightmare of hurricane helene. >> i am so sorry. >> thank you. i appreciate it. fema was nowhere to be found the first week and has done almost nothing. my question is what will the trump vance administration deal to restructure fema and to rebuild western north carolina. >> yes, ma'am. i am sorry that it happened. i am sorry most importantly that your government did not do its job in response to it. from the western part of north carolina. >> if you grew up in the appalachia part of our country north carolina, pennsylvania, north carolina anywhere else you often feel that region of the

world was really neglected and left behind by the people that should have been done the most to look out for the innocent victims. i hate to say it but i think there would have been less loss of life that the government had responded more quickly. what do we need to do to restructure fema. i actually think that this one is pretty straightforward. you just have to fire the present leadership. [applause] but i think that there is a second part of this. it goes to the rebuilding effort i promise you if we win and i think we will win, by the way. [cheering and applause] i promise you i will never forget where you came from and i will never forget that we have responsibility to help you all rebuild the understanding i will not get the full picture up here the other thing is, when you have a crisis like this, there are some things that seem not

equipped for. i criticized fema for focusing too much on the illegal immigrant problem, not enough on american citizens. let's be honest, this was really a bite and then kamala harris shortcoming when as soon as the rivers started to swell like they did, the 82nd airborne should have been in western north carolina the next minute. [applause] and if you think about all the bureaucracy of the federal government, you have a different agency supposed to do a different things, you need somebody who is in control whose only job is to save as many lives as possible. the fact that it took us six, seven days before that was really possible, i hate to say it, i think that there was a lot of loss of life that would not have otherwise happened. just a lot of human suffering that we've got to do a better job next time. god bless you. thank you. [applause] >> next we have madeleine. she is from new york.

she has a specific question for you regarding her son. >> hello. >> yes, ma'am. >> vice president jd vance. [laughter] >> not quite. >> she is claiming it. [applause] >> you actually heard my story at the rnc. i spoke about my son. >> of course, of course. yes, ma'am. what my question is, what will a trump vance administration deal to strengthen and protect the rights or families of homicide victims legislatively? >> yes, ma'am. first of all, i am sorry that your government failed deal. we will try to make sure that your government does not fail the next person dealing with what you are dealing with. here is the basic issue.

the progressives, i don't think this is true of most democrats, by the way, but the leadership of the democratic party has gotten in their mind that law enforcement is inherently racist i think that that is a real disgrace. it has led us to dismiss a lot of good cops. we do not empower people to go after the truly bad guys. what i find so crazy about all of this is if you look at the statistics, ma'am, it is a very, very small number of people who commit the crimes in our communities. whether they are white black or whatever, there's a very narrow slice of our country that commits chronic violent crime. the thing we have to do is change the laws and most importantly empower law enforcement to go after the baguette, lock them up so they are not hurting more kids like yours. that is fundamentally what you

have to do. i just cannot believe that one half of our political leadership has gotten in their head that if you lock up criminals that is somewhat a bad thing. the core functions of government we could do so much better. part of this is legislative, too we are getting to a point where we have a major law enforcement crisis in our country. a lot of great police officers. a lot of great young and women that don't want to become police officers because they think it is part of the job. we want to fix the pay benefits for local law enforcement because if they get the pay they deserve, most importantly, getting the right people serving as police officers. if you think it is bad now, it will be a lot worse in five years if we don't get a lot more

people coming into law enforcement. thank you, ma'am. >> we have an online question. families are struggling to pay their bills let alone pray for their future. resident 26%. when will my dollar be a dollar again and how fast can we get back to a 2019 normalcy? >> help us out here. >> the best thing we can do is elect donald j trump president of the united states. that is the first and most important thing that we've got to do. i will talk a little bit about what comes after. a small grocery store. the owner had just bought that a couple years prior. coming with daddy on the campaign trail. having a good time out there. it illustrates how different

kids are. i tell the two of them you can get anything you want. the 4-year-old tried to get like a gallon of ice cream. he is like his mama, the 7 -year-old, trying to get me to buy a dozen or two dozen eggs. i am like i met a candy. he is like, no, no, dad, you made the last egg this morning if you don't get more mom will be mad. of course cameras following around because there always are. in the commonwealth of pennsylvania eggs are about 320 a dozen. from about 150 a dozen. that is a huge price increase in three and a half years. i fear it will get worse if we promoted to president. my kids, these guys eat about 14 eggs a day. obviously exaggerating. making a joke about my kids who

do eat a lot. i had some journalists fact check me and say there is no way that a 7-year-old and a 4 -year-old cody 14 eggs a day. it would be like me saying i'm so hungry i could eat a horse and the journalist saying jd in fact ate a normal man's eyes meal, not a horse. the media sometimes in this country is so obsessed with misleading us that they don't actually wrote work, i mean some of these stories of people suffering. i think the most important thing to answer is a lot of us do not fully appreciate how energy prices going to everything else. if you are a construction worker in your building a house but the truck driver who was delivering the lumber to the jobsite is paying 50% more for diesel than that will be more expensive.

if you are grocery store that delivers the groceries or the farmers producing the food rubbing 50% more per energy than that will make all the groceries go up. the most important thing is donald trump says this, drill baby drill. lower the cost of energy. lowering the cost of food. look, the government has want to stop spending trillions upon trillions of dollars that it does not have. when you do that you increase the price of everything. think about it. when you're printing all of this money to cover the debt it becomes more and more worthless all the time. i hate to say it, casting the deciding vote in trillion dollars new spending. putting somebody with common economic sense back in the white house. [applause] >> you see this all the time. when you are in the groceries or everyone is commenting about how

expensive everything is. everyone's like i cannot believe this is gotten so expensive. >> nobody knows like a mom. >> in our family, probably unlike most families i tend to do more the grocery shopping at least until three months ago. something change three months ago. it is shocking how much more expensive some of these things are. a stake compared to three and a half years ago, it is just so much more money. i don't know how any class person can afford and kamala harris economy to live a good life. we have to get back to good common sense here. >> we have another question. taryn will share her questions. i will follow suit. vice president jd vance. >> i am superstitious. you guys are making me nervous here.

>> my stories a public school in our district socially transition my daughter. so my question for you is, there is currently a lawsuit against the valley school district in ventura county california where three of my other minor children still attend. gender affirming surveys. with president trump recently mentioning abolishing the department of education, what specific actions will your administration take to uphold my 14th amendment right to direct the upbringing, care and education of my children? >> wow. i am so sorry this is happened to both of you. i cannot believe that your leadership has failed in this way. i promise that when donald trump and i are back in office you

will have somebody that fights for you and fights for your right as parents. [applause] i want to know so much more about your stories and i know. so much more than we have time for, of course. i just think to take something that is so profound away from our moms and dads is such a violation of every right that exists. the reason we established government is to protect their light -- protect our rights not destroyed. such a difference in this race. you mentioned that education policy. one of the reasons why we have this incredible pressure, a 14 -year-old kid, 12-year-old kid , we know it is hard kids have all kinds of tough things going on when they are teenagers , three teenagers. i think in the era of social

media sometimes we take normal adolescent insecurities and we tell especially our young girls that that is not an insecurity, that is because something is wrong with you. we used to live in a country that recognized, no, there is nothing wrong with you, we just have to teach people to be comfortable with themselves and be comfortable with who they are the fact we have gotten away from that is really profound. ask ourselves, why have we gotten away from it. i think we have to ask ourselves who is getting rich from what we are pushing down this road so parents and children and the answer is there is a billion-dollar industry in cross sex hormones and gender transition and i think we have to go the heart of the money and stop telling these pharmaceutical companies that they can make money by experimenting off of our children. it has to stop and it will stop when donald trump is president. >> you actually answered my next question. we will not do that online question.

>> just on education policy, i want to say that we do not even realize how much of our tax dollars, how much money of the people in this room goes into funding very radical curriculum. we ask how schools have gone away from teaching reading writing and arithmetic and towards the more crazy stuff we are seeing schools teach. the answer is how often we are paying for it. what president trump and i will do is make sure our tax dollars go to educating our children and not to indoctrinating them. stop the flow of money and that's how you stop. thank you. >> thank you. >> going over here to vanessa. vanessa is in florida. >> senator, my family and i migrated to the u.s. legally. >> god bless you. >> from peru. it took us seven years to make it into the country. how can we make the process easier for those that want to follow the law come into the

country legally. >> yes, ma'am. one of the things that i hear, actually, i was in tucson, arizona, a couple of days ago and i was talking about our illegal immigration system and one of them is it is so profoundly unfair to the people that have done it the right way, waited in line, paid the fees, this is one of the reasons why we have to get our hands wrapped around his illegal immigration problem. it is unfair because there are great people that want to come to our country. the question we have to ask is, what is it that we want out of welcoming newcomers into our country? we want people with great values we want people willing to work hard, willing to play by the rules. obviously, you cannot let everybody in that wants to come. you have to have an orderly process. part of what we have seen is we have redirected so many resources away from processing legal immigrants who are doing it the right way to focus on

illegal immigration that has been facilitated by kamala harris. harder than it was maybe 15 or 20 years ago. we have to devote the resources into the broken system we have under kamala harris. border security first make sure we secure the southern border and then we free up a lot of resources to focus on the legal immigration issue in our country thank you. [applause] >> we have a question for you. stephanie from texas. >> as a mother who has lost a son to fentanyl poisoning by deeply understand the crisis and the impact it is having. my question is how do we cut the red tape and move faster to reach every child across the u.s. with education based

prevention programs. we cannot afford to sit idle. while more lives are lost. they have no knowledge of this. >> yes, ma'am. how old was your son? >> he was 19 and 2021. >> i'm sorry. i will say a prayer for him tonight. not nearly the way that you do, but we, of course, have experienced the problems of addiction in my family. we want people to have second chances because, you know, when you are caught in the throes of addiction it is so hard to get out of it. sometimes there is not another chance. from the dads or kids it has to stop.

it is disgraceful that we have a government right now that is facilitating it instead of stopping it. what we can do on prevention. i think that one of these things , you can only do so much with so many dollars. let's say you have curriculum money going into radical gender ideas instead of teaching kids how to say no to drugs, how to resist peer pressure. the warning signs, you probably appreciate this having seen at the some people get addicted the minute they taken opioid. some people can take percocet for three years and never get addicted. i have seen this even with my own friends who had a minor surgery to take one percocet in there like i'm never taking it again because i liked it way too much it did something to me. we have to teach kids to recognize when they are going down that very dark pathway. the second thing, i know friends

from back home, families from back home who were involved in detox. if you think about recovery being a very long road, the first step is very often detox. there is not enough detox facilities in the united states of america right now. we should empower our churches in local community organizations to provide those detoxes because you cannot get into recovery if you don't do the detox early. shutting down the poison coming into our country in the first place and teach our children the red flags in the warning signs of addiction. starting to get down the road of solving this spirit it is an un- speakable human tragedy of what is going on in this country. 100,000 people. many of them in the prime of their lives. i have known so many people who lost their lives to this. i am sure, ma'am, you are asking

yourself the same question. what with the kids have looked like? human tragedy that we are allowing in this country. it has got to stop. president trump and i will fight it, i promise you. >> asking two questions on the stage here. we have stephanie from pennsylvania. not stephanie, sorry. caitlin. >> thank you for the sacrifice. >> i credit my family. >> as an ob/gyn nurse my coworkers and i are experiencing an overwhelming number of illegal immigrant mother seeking and receiving free care between the volume of patients they are

not getting the quality care they gave for and deserve. how would they address this growing problem. >> not that this is the most important issue today but i think it was a few years ago. maybe our nurses would be less overwhelmed if we did not have a federal government firing people for not taking the covid shot a few years ago. [applause] >> whatever year feels, whatever your views i think it was smart to let individual nurses and moms and dads to make these decisions. now force. the answer to your question is if you have 25 million, 20 million, whatever it is in your country, we are compassionate people. we will not let people just

conspire on the streets nor should we. a compassionate name for our own citizens. i believe it is to stop the open border and saw people coming in the first place. if you look in the state of pennsylvania, i believe the last time i checked, the media fact checkers will double check my information here. it is around three hours. you go to the emergency room and you are not getting the care you need because we diverted so many resources from caring for people that ought to be here to focus on people that have no right to be here. we have to recognize that there are sometimes trade-offs in the compassionate thing is to open and allow mexican drug cartels to sex traffic kids into our communities. the compassionate thing is to secure the border and focus on

basic common sense. that is what we have to do. >> thank you. >> we have another question. >> senator vance. >> please. >> our children schools are teaching them that they are victims based on race. family values are being mocked. how will a trumpet vance administration the dress and the public schools without fear or government reprisals. >> another big and important question, obviously do not know the background of all of you entirely, i don't know it a lot of folks in the room, i'm 40 years old. i am a child of the 90s. my wife is 38.

>> so her parents are illegal immigrants from south immigrants we were taught to think about kids as people and not whatever artificial super official skin color they had. i think one because both of us grew up with that bad attitude, we met, we fell in love, we never thought anything of it. anybody ever made when my mom asked what ethnicity and i said she was indian. she said which tribe. i said, you know, slightly off, mom.

she is one of the smartest people i have ever met. she said i get really mad at all the people talking about your biracial children. whether they are white or indian or what their background is. they are just our babies. american babies. that is what matters. [applause] i think one thing that we have to do is do better as leaders. talking about, yes, of course, we have differences and, yes, there are things that happen in america's history. i'm not saying we ignore that but we talk about it in the way of getting to a point where we see each other as americans first and foremost. that is the most important thing and then we also go back to one of the earlier questions. a lot of this crap is not

something that anybody, black, white, latino, anything, would teach their kids. they are learning it from very radical curriculums that are being planted in our schools by money coming from american taxpayers. i think the first thing we have to do it's a fun crt and all of the radical curriculum going into our schools. that is really important. the leadership part of this is really an urgent, too. it got into our head. the differences, i think what real leadership requires now is as americans. if we forget that it will rip our country apart. let's not do that. >> you have a very busy day.

>> we have thousands and thousands a month watching this. >> i ask you to get out there and get involved. everybody gets out there boats it makes our voices heard. the democrats will never be honest. if you want to take your country back, if you want to teach your kids your own values, if you want to save your children from unsafe neighborhoods, if you don't want your kids taught racial,. a lot that can happen in 20 days do you have friends or family that you think would probably vote the right way but you have not gone to the polls yet? maybe you just want to post on

social media hey i saw jd vance and he is not nearly as bad as the media says he has. there are all of these ways that you can get involved. this number of ballots in 2020 that if change, donald trump is the president of the united states. simply they are not happening in this country. ask yourself wake up on november the sixth. you want to say i did everything i think the question is what does that everything mean? talking dear friends, talking to your family, if you have spare time, donate your time with the local party. call people. knock on doors. there is so much we can do to get involved to make sure people get out there and vote. moms are in a very unique situation. i see the polls. right now frankly donald trump

won this election. >> the polls also tell you that we are doing better, president trump and i are doing better with male voters. i think moms are the best ambassador. don't believe the lives you've heard about these guys. vote for what is in your best interest. vote for public safety. lower prices for your family. housing prices affordable for people to live in american homes we have to get back to common sense. it is a way to put common sense out there. you have, guarantee every single person in this room has somebody in their friendship circle. just talk to them and say i think these guys have good heads

on their shoulders. good heads on their shoulders. i think if we do that if we get out there and do that that person power we have let's go into it. god bless you all. thank you so much. ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪

>> how about a round of applause for senator jd vance. thank you. rally with

vice presidential nominee governor tim walz. [cheers and applause] ♪ gov. walz: wow, thank you. wow. well, thank you, pittsburgh. this is something. give it up one more time for will allen. thank you, will. all right. give me my moment, here. yesterday i made my first trip to lambeau field. i know. today, today, i'm making my first trip into steeler

territory. so thank you, thank you, thank you. look, it's a great place to be here and i have to tell you -- you've got some great elected officials here, i want to get a couple out. i got to meet the county executive, sarah. where's she at? thank you. you're the best. and i'll tell you what, this is how we are going to win this thing. the pic college dams and sarah. and our campaign's deputy voter protection director, which we need, mary gibson. mary, thank you.

and this is a place where i have the ability to be able to measure when it comes to governors, nobody takes a backseat to josh shapiro, just so we know. and pennsylvania, pennsylvania, please, for the rest of the country, send bob casey back to the united states senate. send him back to the united states senate. now, pennsylvania, our states share many things together. these things -- the things we share, i'll tell you, though, super bowl rings are not one of them. but give me my moment, the vikings are 5-0. give me that moment. but what is true is, our two

states share a history of being at the center of building this country. the iron minds of northern minnesota fuel the steel mills of pennsylvania. it was our states that built the tanks that won world war ii. and it was our people who freed the world from nazi tyranny. and today, we're still building the future. look, you know what. three weeks to the election. 21 days, not like anybody is counting in this room. and our team is running like you know the folks in this building do. everything really is on the line. kamala and i are barnstorming to country.

i hope you see us on tv. we are on podcasts, we are on radio shows. i am one-hit away from being a regular on fox news. so look, running for president or being president takes a helluva lot of stamina. with that in mind, donald trump recently took a little enough time to take something and do something really important, to explain to us what groceries are. i don't want to get this wrong, i want to get this straight. i will save you my donald trump impression, but i will just read you what he said. i have more complaints on grocery. the word grocery. you know, it's sort of a simple word, but it sort of means like, everything we eat. the stomach is speaking. it always does. and then, and then, there was last night. i don't know if some of you saw this. donald trump was doing a town

hall. he took a few questions from the audience, totally botched those because they were things that are not that important to him like health care and childcare. but he got a little bit tired. if you didn't see this, i would not usually encourage this but go watch this guy and watch this town hall. he stopped taking questions and stood frozen on stage for 30 minutes while they played his spotify list. do you think he knows the story behind the ymca song? [laughter] [cheers and applause] look, it was strange, but if this was your grandfather, you would take the keys away. you would take the keys away. and i tell you this, look, it would be funny if this guy were not running for president of the

united states. and it would be funny if you knew that this guy, if he shuts down like he did last night, you know he is doing that when he is sitting in the situation room, or in briefings that are important. and you don't have to guess how he is going to act. he acts the same way. and when it came time to making a decision on january 6, he froze, as his supporters stormed and defiled the capitol, beat 140 police officers, some of whom died, and then he said those are just really find people, it was just tourists. you know what he did. he did nothing to stop that. but here's the deal, pittsburgh. here's the good news on this. it's important to know what we are up against, but look, i get damn tired of talking about this guy. i get tired of seeing him on tv. and i damn sure am tired of him making decisions for the women

in our lives. [cheers and applause] so if you are sick of this guy, kamala harris is offering you a new way forward and a better tomorrow. kamala and i grew up in middle-class families. she says things like, who could imagine a middle-class woman from oakland, california and a -- you need somebody? they got her. and a kid from nebraska, middle-class kids running for president and vice president of the united states. look, when you come from the middle class, i was really grateful. i saw the wall street journal did an analysis of the financial

statements of all the candidates, and they said well, tim walz might be the poorest person to ever run for vice president. so all you teachers out there, all you nurses, all you union members, that's us! that's us! [cheers and applause] i got these steelworkers behind me, that's how we work. that's how we work. look, all we're asking for and all we know, the economy works best when it is fair. we have a statement and a saying in minnesota that i know you haven't pennsylvania. we all do better when we all do better. it's not that hard. that's why under kamala's leadership, america is investing again in working people.

today, there are more factories getting built, more american energy being produced, than at any time and any day during donald trump's presidency. any time. and kamala harris has been proud to be part of the most prolabor administration in american history. unafraid to walk picket lines side-by-side asking for better pay and better conditions. you know why? because when workers win, america wins. when the middle class wins, america wins. now i get it, not everybody sees the world the same way. donald trump and jd vance have a very different outlook on this. what i want you to be clear when

you talk to your friends, your neighbors, your damn family members who tell you i don't really like donald trump but i like his policies. which ones? the ones that screw labor unions? that ones that give tax cuts to billionaires? he talks a big game, but he has been a disaster for middle-class america. a disaster. by the record, he is one of the biggest losers of jobs in american history. look, i get it, i am preaching to the choir, i understand that. you in pennsylvania know it. under trump, you lost 275,000 j obs in the state alone as he mismanaged covid and put people's lives at risk. and you know what he would do in a second term? he has already told you. he will gut the affordable care act, cut social security, and impose the trump sales tax on everything we buy.

he says don't listen to the economists. yeah, just like during covid he said don't listen to the doctors, injectable each. i will listen to the mayo clinic, not donald trump. i will listen to the economists and the middle class, not donald trump. but someone said, well, tim, don't you have anything to say about donald trump that he did on this? i will say this. he did keep one promise. he took his alter wealthy folks down to mar-a-lago and in front of a camera he said you are rich as hell and i'm going to give you tax cut. he did follow through. again, i said this, it is somewhat fun to point out how bad this guy it is, but it is somewhat pointless at this point in time because here's the deal. he's not going to be president again and kamala harris is. [cheers and applause]

we are not. we have a responsibility to tell all americans, to tell all those folks out there -- and i know it is hard for this group to believe, there are still some undecided voters out there. i am like, what in the heck are you people doing? but it is their right to wait and see. but we are getting close to early voting starting here. we are voting across the country. so we need to tell you exactly what we are going to do, so here it is. kamala harris has laid out a plan to build an opportunity economy, one that lowers your everyday costs, lifts everyone up, and leaves nobody behind. here's how it works. child tax credit. $6,000 tax cut. you can buy a crib, a car seat, formula, whatever you need. get that kid off on a good start. and then, those of you in here know this, when donald trump and j.d. vance have no aunts or -- have no answer on this and donald trump said it is not a big deal, tell people who are

trying to get childcare and big -- childcare it is not a big deal. we need to make sure we are investing in it so folks can live the lives they want to and those kids get a good start. that's what we need to do. homeownership. kamala has laid out a plan, 3 million more new homes and down payment assistance. those of you in here know the down payment is the hardest part of trying to own a home. those must like me, i use the g.i. bill and the v.a. home loan. the v.a. home loan let you do it without a down payment. she is proposing a $25,000 down payment assistance to get a lot of young folks into new homes. and then taking on the price gouging. i just came from a farm where we are meeting with folks. look, a ritual of corn, the farmers get paid four dollars for that. it is about $10 for soybeans. milk is like $20 for one

hundredweight of milk to buy that. that is the same money they were making when grocery prices were cheaper. who is taking the money? it's not the farmers. somebody is price gouging and we saw it with insulin. now that insulin is capped at $35 for a vial of insulin. look, we are free-market people. but a vial of insulin costs five dollars to make. and we are saying you can charge 35 bucks for it. before that? $800 for that. you know what ended up happening? people like alex smith in minnesota aged out of his parents's insurance, started rationing is insulin and died. his mother came to the capital and said i will be damned if either another kid die and we camped insulin at $35. that's how you do it. and look, entrepreneurs in this

group, folks that take a risk on a small business, you put yourselves out there, you have to write checks and you hire people and you are the engine of this economy. it has been for years we put too much red tape and the way of getting your business started, and tax credit was capped at $5,000. kamala has proposed cutting that red tape and a $50,000 tax credit to get your business off the ground. that's the american dream. and coming back to manufacturing, i know, i have been in michigan, wisconsin, minnesota, and pennsylvania. we are the heart of manufacturing. we're the place that built this country and built the world. we have a plan to create an america forward strategy, one that empowers american workers, revitalizing manufacturing communities. last week vice president harris talked about something and those of you in here, if you are young, trust me, when you get to be about 60 you will start learning every damn thing you can about medicare, i guarantee you that.

it is a big damn deal and cost a lot of money. this week kamala harris put something out. the idea of having health care is a basic human right and as a senior being able to get it, it is a big deal. and what she proposed was having homecare, medicare pay for home care to keep seniors in their homes. that's huge. [cheers and applause] even if you are not old enough, if you are some middle-aged folks here, you're in the sandwich generation. you are like, damn, i am just worried about paying for child care and college. but i also have a 90-year-old mom, and as of sunday, an 18-year-old son. this is policies that make a difference in their lives. and for the older folks in here, me being included in this, can you believe -- and she proposed it, we are going to get this done -- that medicare actually covers your damn glasses and

hearing aids? [cheers and applause] all right. i'm sitting here thinking, there is not a damn thing we have talked about here tonight that shouldn't appeal to those folks who wear the red hats everywhere. that is what kamala harris knows. she told me when we were up in beaver county getting off a bus, there were our supporters over here, and over here were non-supporters. they make it easy because they all dress the same. she turned around to me and she said, never forget, we work just as hard for this side of the street as this side of the street. that's it. [cheers and applause] so look, here's for all of you. here's for your fox watching republican uncle, or in some of our cases, our brothers. clip this and send it to them, because think about this. the republican party added much to this country. they have contributed much over the years. that is not who donald trump is.

because when did the party of ronald reagan decide it was ok for the government to make personal choices for you? they can't, they never did. you think ronald reagan would think it is ok for donald trump to make decisions about your health care, the book he reads -- of the books you read? when vice president harris and i talk about freedom, we mean the freedom for you to make decisions and not politicians. that is what the democratic party stands for. [cheers and applause] these guys are the party of big government, or i should say, small government. small enough to fit in your exam room, small enough to fit in your bedroom, small enough to fit in the library books that they think you want to read. but look, when we talk about freedom, it is not just the song the vice president comes out to, although that is really cool when she does it. we are talking about the freedom in her proposal that seniors can retire with dignity, by strengthening medicare, strengthening social security.

just to be clear, just to be clear, donald trump called social security at ponzi scheme. i think he would know about ponzi schemes, so he got that wrong. and j.d. vance said it was the only obstacle to fiscal sanity. oh, you mean it was in the tax cuts to billionaires that drove us into a trillion dollars in debt? but from trump's perspective, what the hell would he care about social security? he is not waiting for his social security check like my mom is. when my dad dies, and i am a teenager, my mom is a stay-at-home mom, it was social security survivor benefits that kept her and the family going. pennsylvanians, you are tough people. we are tough out in the plaines. this idea, you should learn to pull yourself up by your bootstraps. fair enough, we just didn't have any boots. social security is the boots to help lift them up. fair enough. [cheers and applause]

and i am not going to stop talking about this one. i do this both as a parent, as a nearly 20 year teacher in the classroom. i'm an eternal optimist. i worked in that lunchroom for all those years. you know what freedom means for us? freedom means sending your little one off as you dress them up warm and send them to school, freedom for them to go into that school and to learn and to be a child and to not be shot dead in their classroom with an assault rifle. [cheers and applause] and look, i know guns. i'm a veteran, i'm a hunter, i'm a gun owner. i know most of these are cosplaying like they know guns, but they really don't.

because just like kamala harris, if you're a gun owner, what you understand is you can support the second amendment, but understanding our first responsibility is to the safety of our children and our community. [cheers and applause] look, i think this might be true. well, i better check. i think this will be true, i will be careful on this. this might be the first time in modern american history that both members of the democratic ticket are gun owners. and the republican nominee can't pass a background check to own a gun. [cheers and applause] those 34 felony convictions kinda get in the way of you purchasing that shotgun. look, no matter who you are, who you love, the family you want to

have, the choices you want to make, your health care, kamala harris and i are going to fight for the freedom for you to live life the way you choose, and no one else. all right. all right, guys, good. i don't want to get you on the pollercoaster out there, because this is not about polls. this is about getting people to vote and getting it done. but we see a little difference here. we have a little work to do over 21 days, so i am speaking to the men here for just a moment. because the women seem to be getting this right, and they know the direction we are going. but look, we got women in your lives. your wives, daughters, mothers, friends. look, their lives are literally at stake in this election. these are both because of what donald trump did with the supreme court and replacing roe v. wade. he is bragging about what he did. he is glad that my daughter, your daughter, your wife, your

niece, your sister, your friends, he is glad that they have fewer rights than a generation that came before us. he is glad about it. more than 20 states have trump abortion bans. he called a beautiful thing. right now as we speak, women are waiting and being denied cares in er's and either having miscarriages in parking lots or going home to deal with it. a woman in kentucky was raped by her stepfather and impregnated at age 12. she was forced to carry that child to term. when j.d. vance was asked about exceptions for rape and incest, he said two wrongs don't make a right. there is nothing goddamn write about her having to carry that child to term. and if you think they are done, and i know there are people -- look, hadley doesn't want to

have her name out there. these are brave women that said no one else should have to go through this. no one should be put through this. but they are not done. their project 2025 is very clear. pregnancy register, access to contraception being limited, and this is the one that is personal for me and so many of you, access to fertility treatments. if you have been through the hell of fertility treatments you know what i'm talking about. waiting for the phone to ring, time after time. that's the stuff you go through. you are doing everything because it was our choice to have a family. and i will be damned if i'm going to let donald trump or j.d. vance tell us if we can have children or not. [cheers and applause] so look, you are sending bob casey back, we are winning seats in the house, we are holding the senate. and when congress passes roe v.

wade codified into law, kamala harris will sign it. [cheers and applause] again, i know i'm preaching to the choir, but look, our recital is in 21 days, people. we are about done practicing here. we have got to get this done. and if donald trump is reelected, you think what we just talked about, that was just a beginning. i believe the people around him have learned something. think about this. he will appoint two or three more supreme court justices. that same institution that gave donald trump total immunity over everything he wants to do. they will be adjudicating the laws in this country when your grandchildren are my age, nearly. so start thinking about that. i think most of us know, but here's the thing. you are right, we are not going back. i tell you that because it is

going to be even sweeter. when we wake up on madam sixth, madam president -- when we wake up on november 6, madam president -- [cheers and applause] we get to decide the future for our kids and grandkids. we get to decide if we are going to tackle things like climate change and have manufacturing back here, and move this country in a positive way. so look, 21 days. when do you ever get a chance over three weeks to make a change not for four years, but for 40 years? when you get the chance to protect women through productive rights? when you get the chance to bring back manufacturing and protect schools and -- this is a privilege to do this. and i have to tell you what. i cannot wait until we don't have to turn on our damn tv and see donald trump on there ever again. ever. [cheers and applause]

so look, when we finally had our daughter, we named her the most powerful word in the universe, hope. and my wife, who is a very practical midwest lutheran school teacher, told me this. well, hope is great but it is not a damn plan. we cannot hope we beat donald trump. we cannot hope we restore roe v. wade. we cannot hope that unions grow in this country. we have to make a plan to do it, and it starts with voting. vote. [cheers and applause] vote early. if you are voting by mail, get the damn thing in the mail as soon as possible. follow the instructions carefully. because look, we see the world a lot different than these guys.

their strategy to win elections is to suppress the vote, make it harder to vote, and confuse people. our way to win elections is have good damn policies and let everybody vote and they will vote you in. so look, you can vote early in person. i want to get this right for pennsylvania. visit your local county election office. several counties including allegheny. you can vote early in posen at additional satellite locations. am i right down here? they made me get this right. you can register to vote online. in allegheny you can register and vote at the same time when you vote until october 21. i got that right? i am checking with my people. if you have any questions, iw illvote.com/pa. iwillvote.com/pa. look, you are going to vote.

this -- they are celebrating on the others. they think they have this won. we don't think we have this won. we're gonna win, but their work is not done. in this building, you don't win the super bowl just on that day. you win the super bowl months before, the work that you do. so everybody, get out and knock the doors, make the phone calls. one or two votes in pennsylvania per precinct could swing this election, for the entire country. hell, the rest of the world is watching. please, america, show some sanity intellect kamala harris, because they need -- show some sanity and elect kamala harris, because they need us! and i know we ask a lot of you, if you have a book or two -- a buck or two, it's kamalaharris.com. 300 paid folks, staffers,

hundreds of volunteers in every single place in the reddest to the bluest places to make sure if we do the work, pennsylvania goes blue, we win the white house. [cheers and applause] and you know why you came here, put up with parking, got fired up about this. you did it because you believe in the promise of america and you love this country. it's that simple. we control our own destiny. we've got 21 days to win this thing. we are in the fight. we win this thing and wake up, we change the direction of this country. and the vice president is right. when we fight -- when we vote -- when we fight -- that's right. thank you. [cheers and applause] ♪

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>> let me invite onto the stage president trump.

>> have a seat. you got a standing ovation. welcome to chicago. [cheers and applause] president trump, thank you to -- thank you for doing this. the business people of chicago like a lot of the things you want to do in terms of tax cuts and spending proposals. but like many business people what they are worried about is the cost. the committee for responsible federal budget, a bipartisan outlet put out some predictions

the other day. if you add up all the promises you have made then your plans would add $7.5 trillion to the debt. that is more than twice the total for vice president harris. you are on course to push the debt up to 150% of gdp. this is a very businesslike audience. why should they trust you with that? >> we will bring jobs back to our country. i see steel mills that are falling down, some have been converted to senior citizens homes. that will not do the trick. we will lower taxes still further for companies making their product in the usa and protect those companies with strong tariffs. i am a believer in tariffs. i do not think you are. but i congratulate you and your career. to me the most beautiful world in the dictionary is tariff and

it is my favorite word. [applause] >> do you think that will bring in the revenues. to use another bipartisan group it will only bring into billion dollars. that is barely the cost of two promises. trump: but for what company? i was just getting started. and then covid came and which, because i did a very good job with covid. no one knew what the hell it was and i called it the china virus because i like being accurate. but we have hundreds of millions of dollars from china alone and i had not even started yet.

tariffs are two things if you look at it. number one it is protection of the companies that we have here and the new companies that will move in. you will have thousands of companies coming into the country and we will grow it like we have never grown it before and we will protect them because we will not have somebody undercut them. i can give you an example. a quick example. i just found out about it. i have been talking about it for the last year about detroit and how horribly it has been -- it is best -- it is horrible. detroit has been coming back for 40 years, but it has never come back. it is dependent on the car industry. they lost 60% of the business over time. what happened is that i found out, offend of mind builds auto plants and that is all he does. that is what he is good at. and he builds the biggest in the world. and for the last year and a half of anybody, i was talking about mexico and he says a tremendous challenge for us right now. china is building massive auto plants in mexico.

they are going to build them and take those cars and sell them into the united states. and they will have all of the advantages and none of the disadvantages and that will be the end of michigan, south carolina and the end of everything. i have been talking to this and i set about nine months ago i said i want to do -- i want you to do me a favor john, and i will not give his last name because he might not like it. and i said i want to go in cds. you press a button and everything works. i want to see one of the big ones and he said good. and i said i would like to go to michigan or someplace in the united states and he said we cannot do that because they are not building anything big. we do not build the big ones here. i said where? and i said in mexico, the giant plants and the biggest anywhere in the world. in mexico? they will make cars cheaply and have advantages and labor and other things and sell them into the united states?

they will put michigan out of business? i do not know anything about that, if you want to see a plant we will go to mexico and show you the biggest plans in the world. that was nine months ago. i talk about it all the time because i think it is a serious threat to our country. so then i see him two days ago and i was talking at another club, a very nice club like this except i think you people are even wealthier, ok? this is in detroit, which was appropriate. i was showing all sorts of charts, because it has just gone down and it is terrible. and i said how are you doing and how have you been? i said can i ask you how are those plans that you mentioned, those giant plants that you are building in mexico, how is that

coming along, have you finish them? no, they abandon the project when you heard -- when they heard that you were running and they saw that you are winning and doing well. and i told them and i said it publicly. they are not can sell one car into the united states. and i said if i run this country and i will be president i will put a 100 or 200 or 2000% tariff. they will not sell one car into the united states, because we will not destroy our country because i know you are anti-tariff but i am the exact opposite. there is no other way i could have stopped them other than negotiate with mexico or china? you will not get anything for them. i said i will put a 100, 200, or 300 tariff and stop them from ever selling a car into the united states. so he says, they have abandoned

it. by the way they built foundations and they were going to do it. they thought that i was going to win or maybe they are just holding off. if i do not win those factories are going to wipe out this country. they are the biggest factories ever built for cars and they will wipe out my country. she does not know what the hell she is doing. if she wins, she will not be thinking about -- every speech i made having to do with cars or tariffs, i mentioned it. our country is being threatened by mexico. now all of those things beyond the car companies, all of those things are dead. i asked them when will they start, probably not, dead as a doornail. if she gets in it will start up. >> i let you give them an example. you talked a lot about tariffs and you look at the american economy. 14 million.

jobs rely on trade. if you cut that off that will have an effect on many business people here. tariffs have another side. isn't that something you have to acknowledge. trump: no. >> you could be plunging america into the biggest trade war. there are tariffs already. trump: there are no tariffs. all you have to do is build the plant in the united states and there are no tariffs. >> a lot of places like this, there are a lot of jobs that rely on things coming in. you will basically stop trade with china. there is a 60% chance on -- tariffs on that. 100% in 200 things on things you do not like bud 10 and 20% on the restf the wod. -- the rest of the world. that will have a serious effect on the economy. you will find some people who gain individual tariffs. the overall effect could be massive. trump: i agree it will have a massive effect, positive. it is going to be a positive and not a negative. you know how committed you are

to this and it must be hard for you to spend 25 years talking about tariffs as negative and somebody explain to you that you are totally wrong. >> president trump, 14 million jobs is a lot of jobs. trump: they are all coming back. >> 14 million jobs in america that rely on trade. trump: john deere a great company. they announced that they are going to build a big plant outside of the united states. they are going to build them in mexico. and i said if john deere builds those plants they are not selling anything into the united states. they just announced that they are probably not going to build the plants.

i kept the jobs here and john deere will stay here. and i will say if you do build outside of the united states if you want, india is a tough country. you know that china is and i would say probably the toughest. but you know it is very tough? the european union. european countries are wonderful. but if you add them up they are almost the size of us. they treat us so badly. we have a deficit. i said to angela merkel when she was there and i wonder why she is not. when she was there i said how many chevys do we have in berlin? you have none. how many fords in frankfurt? i do not know. none. she said that is right. do you know how any cars we have, mercedes-benz, bmw, volkswagen, millions and millions of cars and then i said they do not want our farm products or anything from us. we have deficits that are crazy. and we will not have them. we will put tariffs on them and you know what they can do? mercedes-benz will start

building in the united states. they have a little bit. do you know what they really are, assembly. they build everything in germany and they assemble it here. they get away with murder because they are building. they take them out of a box and assemble them. you could have a child do it. >> let's come back to europeans in the second. >> what about consumers? trump: they're going to be the biggest beneficiaries. critics have said your tariffs will be like a national sales tax. we trillion dollars worth of imports. you're going to add terrorist every single one of them. that is going to push up costs for all of those people that want to buy foreign goods. it is mathematics, president trump. trump: it is, but not the way you figure it out. i was always very good at mathematics.

they don't have to pay. >> the higher the tariff the more likely it is to have them come in. >> the higher the tariff the more value you're going to put on those goods, the higher people are going to pay in shops. trump: the higher the tariffs the more likely it is the company will come into the united dates and build a factory in the united states so it doesn't have to pay the tariff. >> that would take many, many years. trump: no. in fact, i will tell you there is another theory. the tariff, you make it so high, so horrible, so it noxious that they will come right away. 10% is really -- first of all, 10% when you collect it is hundreds of billions of dollars. all reducing our deficit. but really there is two ways of

looking at a tariff. you can do it as a moneymaking instrument or do it as something to get the companies -- now, if you want the companies to come in the cab has to be higher than 10%, because 10% is not enough. they are not going to do it for 10. but you make a 50% tariff they are going to come in. the other thing about tariffs that are great, our steel companies, when i was in office i saw a man from a big steel company and he was devastated. i knew him for a long time and it has been a tough business. it was a great business many years ago and i would not let u.s. steel be sold to the japanese, because psychologically i think it would be terrible. i would not let it be sold. i would stop it. even though it has not been completed by the time i was president. i think it sets a horrible tone. i had a lot to do with steel. you are going to lose all of our steel companies because china was dumping steel at levels nobody has ever seen before. i put a 50% tax on that and it was also bad steel. it was what they called dirty steel, which is a bad thing for structural components of buildings and things like that. they were dumping crap into our country. and i put a 50% tariff, i started a 25, i raised it to 50 because the 25 did not do it. i raised it to 50 and they did it. they stopped dumping steel.

i having that we saved it. he saved our steel. what was left? because we have lost so much, but there are certain companies, certain things you have to have. if you go to war there is a possibility you go to war, i kept us out of war. i was the only president in 82 years that kept you out of a war. defeated isis, but you inherited that one. [applause] >> by the way, i think it is very important. i call it the weave. as long as you end up in the right location at the end. while we are talking about it, we have never been so close to world war iii as we have right now with what is going on in ukraine and russia and the middle east.

i had no wars in the whole world. think of it. i talked them out of wars. i talked plenty of countries out of wars. the whole world other than isis -- which i inherited -- and i knocked out isis in a matter of weeks. it was supposed to take four or five years. i did it in a matter of weeks. we have a great military. >> i was asking you about tariffs. many people would say that the biggest problem with your tariffs is actually geopolitics. you in your first term, you got some credit, effectively saying there was a cold war against china. you look at the last cold war against the soviet union, america won it in part because it rallied allies to it.

you are talking about slamming allies with 20% tariffs. is it this time you were going to end up rallying the west and you are dividing it instead? isn't that the real problem with tariffs, even beyond the problems to the economy? you keep bringing up these individual examples but the overall effect is going to be dramatic. answer first about foreign policy. how does it help you take on china, turning all of your allies? trump: china thinks we are a stupid country. a stupid country. they can't believe someone finally got wise to them. not one president, bush, obama, barack hussein obama, have you heard of him?

not one president -- think of it. not one president charged china anything. they said, they are a third world nation. we are a developing nation too. take a look at detroit. we are a developing nation. we have to develop more than they do. we are way behind them. take a look at what has happened in our cities. >> my question was about your allies, not about china. you are going to annoy the people rallying behind you. trump: our allies have taken advantage of us more so than our enemies. our allies of the european union. we have a trade deficit of three hundred billion dollars with the european union. our allies are japan. abe was a friend of mine. he was assassinated and he was a great man. i did not see too many like him and he got very sick and had to take off and he was actually making a comeback. he was going to make a comeback and he would have won easily, but he was a great gentleman. inspected by everybody.

he -- i went to him and said, we have to talk. why? trade. and he goes -- i will never forget -- i know. i said, what do you know? i knew you would come to me. why do you say that? because i can't believe -- i wouldn't tell the story if he was alive. i said, i can't believe how many years it has been that nobody even negotiated with us in america. i said, you have to pay for your cars. you don't accept a car from us. you don't have one car you accept and yet we are selling 3 million of your cars. i said come on agriculture, you will not even accept our agriculture. i renegotiated the whole trade deal. i was stuck with a bad deal. we have trade deals that were so bad that i said, who are the people doing it? they are either very stupid or they are getting paid off, ok? it is one of the other. it is very simple. we have the worst trade deals all over the world. i love south korea.

they are wonderful people. they have a money machine. protect them from north korea and other people. i get along with them very well. kim jong-un. but wait, they don't pay us anything. and i said, this is crazy. if i did not put tariffs on, you know, the motor company, the car companies, they make most of their money in small trucks. i put tariffs on china i put 27.5%, otherwise we would be flooded with chinese cars. and all of our factories would close. we have no jobs in the auto industry. that goes for electric, which is a killer, which i explained. i put tariffs on south korea because they were sending in trucks and i put tariffs on fairly substantial tariffs. did you know there are car companies that make almost all of their money with small trucks, suvs and small trucks? if i took those tariffs you would be inundated, every car company would be out of business. and i got calls from ford, i got

calls from everybody saying, sir, i cannot believe you are doing this for us. you saved our company. they make all of their money with us. they make most of their money with small trucks -- ev's. >> many consumers ended up with more expensive cars, but let me come at you on foreign policy. trump: you would not have a car company. >> you have said that taiwan should pay for u.s. protection. trump: yeah. you mentioned north korea. the chinese army are engaged in rehearsals for a novel -- a naval blockade in taiwan. if china invades taiwan would you send american troops to defend it? trump: the reason they are doing it now is they are not going to do it afterwards, ok? so they are doing it now. i had a very good relationship with president xi and a very good relationship with pruden -- putin, and a very good relationship with kim jong-un. today it was announced that he just blew up the railroad going

into south korea. that means south korea is now cut off from russia and china and various other places. these are things i have to mention. you just mentioned putin. the controversy this past week, can you say whether you have talked to vladimir putin since you stopped being president? trump: i don't comment on that, but if i did it is a smart thing. if i am friendly with people, if i can have a relationship with people that is a good thing, not a bad thing, in terms of a country. he has 2000 nuclear weapons and so do we. china has less, but they will catch us within five years. i don't talk about that.

trump: you don't talk about talking to netanyahu? trump: russia has never had a president they respect so much, but more importantly or less importantly, i guess, i went into russia and people said, he likes putin and putin likes him. let me tell you, the first thing i did was terminated nord stream 2. nobody ever heard of nord stream 2. it is a pipeline from russia to germany and all over europe. let me get this straight, my first meeting, i said, putin is building the biggest pipeline in the world. he is going to germany, but all over europe, and you are paying him billions of dollars a year -- billions of dollars a month? germany is paying billions of dollars a month and we are supposed to protect you against the guy you are paying all of this money to? is there something wrong with my thinking? so, he is building a pipeline to germany and we are spending -- by the way, until i got there we were spending almost 100% for nato because we had all of these delinquent countries. they were not paying. when i got there i said, you know what?

and by the way, my biggest is staltenburg leaving, secretary-general of nato. he said when bush came in he made a speech and left, when obama came in, he made a speech and left. when trump came in he said, let me see your books. there were only seven countries pain. we were supporting nato. they screw us on trade so bad, the european nations, and then on top of that they were screwing us on the military. they were taking tremendous advantage of us, $350 billion on trade. and we are than supporting them. in other words, it is not sustainable. you cannot keep doing this. you cannot have this, china, all of these countries, and stupid people made these deals. i saw trade deals that were so stupid. that were so bad that you would have to be an idiots to sign them. and we signed them for years.

i could tell you trade deals that i have never seen. i said, who would agree to this? they had to be corrupt. they had to be corrupt to make those deals. because there is no way a rational human being -- i always say either corrupt or chinle stupid because there is no way a rational human being would ever sign the trade deals that this countryside. and i got out of many of those deals. i told south korea, i'm sorry, you are going to have to pay for your military. we have 40,000 troops over there. you have to pay. you become a very wealthy country -- they said, no, we will not pay. we will not. have not paid since the korean war. i said, you've got to pay. i said, $5 billion year to start off with. they went crazy. they agreed to $2 billion. i got to billion dollars for nothing and i said, here is what we are going to do.

they said, we can't agree to this because we have to go to parliament. they have the parliament or whatever their legislature is. i said, i fully understand that, make it $2 billion, but next year i'm going to talk to you again and make it $5 billion. they knew it was coming. the happiest people, to see that it was biden and instead of trump. you know what they did? they cut off the deal i made. they are back to nothing because they went back to biden and they gave it to him for nothing. we have 40,000 troops in harm's way because you have north korea is a very serious power. they have tremendous nuclear power. i showed it to south korea, you have to pay, and they agreed to do it. but then cut it back. i could tell you, if i were there now they would be telling -- there would be paying us $10 billion a year. it is a money machine, south korea. you wanted to mention taiwan. >> you said you would defend

them. you also seem to imply that putin, you had talked to him. trump: i said i don't comment on those things. can i ask you a particular thing about the dollar? you have talked about wars. you said if you lost the dollar as a reserve currency it would be like america losing a war. look at what you are going to do in terms of protectionism. and all of that debt is going to lessen the dollar's stasis as the world's reserve care -- reserve currency. trump: your reserve currency is the strongest it will ever be. >> at the moment there is a thing called the trump trade in the market. you know what that is? people are betting that your policies are going to drive up debt, they are going to drive up inflation. they are going to drive up interest rates. are the investors wrong? trump: i had four years, no

inflation. it is better than that. and biden, who has no idea where the hell he is, ok? biden went two years with no inflation because he inherited it, and then they started spending money like drunken sailors. it was so ridiculous, the money they were spending. the green new scam. the green new deal. she never even studied the environment in college. she came out, see -- she just said, the green new scam. >> the markets are looking at the fact you are making all of these promises, the latest ones was car loans, you are flooding with giveaways. the upper estimate is $15 trillion. people like the wall street

journal, hardly a communist organization, they have criticized you as well. you are running up enormous debt. >> i'm meeting with them tomorrow. they have been wrong about everything. so have you, by the way. >> you are trying to turn this into a debate. trump: it is not a debate. you are wrong. you have been wrong all of your life on this stuff. let me tell you about currencies. you are jumping into a lot of different subjects. the reserve currency, that is where you start, right? the reserve currency is under threat because you have iran, you have russia, you have china. china is the one you have to worry about because they want to have the wan be the thing of power. here is what i'm doing. i had to go back to it. somebody says, i know countries want to get out because they don't respect our leadership. they look at this kind go, you've got to be kidding.

i never thought i would say this. she is not as smart as biden if you can believe it. we had four years of this lunacy and we cannot have anymore. we are not going to have a country left. currency. very important. if you want to go to third world status, lose your reserve currency, we have to have that. we cannot lose it. you go to third world status in this country because you take a look at how things are running. if a country tells me, sir we like you very much, but we are no longer going to adhere to being in the reserve currency, we are not going to salute the dollar anymore, i will say that is ok, and you're going to pay a 100% tariff on everything you sell into the united states and we love your product i hope you sell a lot of it into the united states, but you are going to pay 100% tax. he will then follow it up saying, sir, it would be an honor to stay with your reserve currency. that is not even chess. that is checkers.

listen to this. you don't have other people that can talk that way. a lot of people say, we love trump's policy, but we would like to have another message because we don't like him, he is a little bit crass. it was lindsey graham, i must say, he was a progressive. lindsey graham said, trump's policy does not work without trump, and there is a lot of truth to that. emmanuel macron -- he is a wise guy, but he is from france and we are from the usa. you know this, right? he was going to tax american countries -- companies doing business in france. i told my people, i did not even like the companies, but i am representing american companies. so i said, call emmanuel macron and call his people and say we are not going to stand for that i got my new chin and a lot of guys, smart guys -- if i can finish.

i will go longer if you want. you have to be able to finish a thought, because it is very important. this is the stuff we are talking about. let me just tell you, so i said, i'm just telling you basic -- it is called the weave. it is all of these different things happening. i said to steven mnuchin, call him up and say, no way. he did and he came back to see me he said, they will not do it, sir. i said to somebody, let me do it. and i called him. are taxing american companies very substantially. you are not doing it with other companies. you must think we are stupid. it's not going to happen. i cannot do anything, it is too late, it was approved by the legislature. that's ok. every bottle of wine and champagne you send into the united states, effective immediately, and i'm signing it as i speak, i'm charging you 100% on every bottle of wine and champagne.

they like their wine and champagne. every bottle of wine and champagne that comes into the united states of america has attacks starting on monday morning. this was a friday. of 100%. that is better than you are doing, ok? he said, no, no you cannot do that. i say, i've done it, it is already signed. monday morning he says, can i call you back? he calls me back in about three minutes. we have decided to remove the tax. i did this all day long. but you think biden does that? i don't think so. let me ask you a very factual question. the federal reserve. you say you don't want interest rates to go higher. you have gone backwards and

forwards about whether you want to keep your own power as chair of the federal reserve. the term as chair runs to may 2026. would you seek to remove or demote him? trump: i think it is the greatest job in government. you show up to the office once a month and you say, football going. and everybody talks about you like you are a god. what will he do? the guy used to walk into my office and he was begging, he was fired. we talked about removing him once. i did, because he was keeping the rates too high. >> and you would do that again? trump: in fact, he dropped them too much. because i said, i was threatening to terminate him. there was a question as to whether or not you could. it was an article in the new york times, one page said i can do it, one said i couldn't. that was enough for him. he dropped them too much. here's the story.

i think that if you are a very good president with good sense you should be able to at least talk to him. i don't say make the decision at all, but i have been a very successful businessman. now people are understanding how good i have done because they are seeing it. much better than the fake news wants to give me credit for. i think i have the right to say is a very good businessman and somebody who has used a lot of sense, i think i have the right to say that, you know, i think i am better than he would be. i think i'm better than most people would be in that position. i think i have the right to say i think you should go up and down a little bit.

i don't think i should be allowed to order it, but i think i have the right to put in comments as to whether or not interest rates should go up and down. >> the supreme court, you made a list. would you do that with the federal reserve? trump: it was a great thing. a lot of people said i got elected because of that. it was an unknown quantity. i was known as a business guy but i was not known as a political person or the leader of a country. people were very worried about, actually they were worried, am i going to be liberal, if you want to know the truth. some but he said, would you come up with a list of 20 or 25 justices, in this case mostly judges, that you would put in in case it were necessary? now it is amazing, because i got three in four years. those people get none. you put them in their young, you tend to put them in young. only stupid people put old.

i got three. a lot of presidents get none. i got three. i think they have been three great choices too, by the way. by the way, i think they have been really great choices. but i got three judges and you know what they want to do? they want to now put up to 25 justices into the supreme court, the radical left. and that can't happen. i think i have done a great job putting in justices. and 300 judges. and that made a tremendous difference in the country. i was a little lucky because barack hussein obama did not get his judges approved. a lot of them. so i ended up with 125 judges before i got there. again, most presidents do not even get to put a supreme court judge in, because it is nine and they are there for a long time. most of them are there for a very long time, and i got three,

which is a very unusual situation. i got three in four years. >> maybe we can change the subject to technology? the u.s. justice department is thinking about breaking up alphabet, as google likes to be known now. should google be broken up? trump: i just have not gotten over something the justice department did yesterday. where virginia cleaned up its voter rolls and got rid of thousands and thousands of bad votes and the justice department sued them, that they should be allowed to put those bad votes in, illegal votes back in, and let the people vote. i have not gotten over that. a lot of people have seen that. they cannot believe it. >> the question was about google, president trump. trump: google has been bad to me. very bad to me. i can speak from that standpoint. in other words, if i have 20 good stories and 20 bad stories and everyone is entitled to

that, we will only see the 20 bad stories. and i called the head of google the other day and i said, i'm getting a lot of good stories lately, but you don't find them in google. i think it is a rigged deal. i think google is rigged. >> you would break them up, and other words? trump: i would do something. look, i give them credit, they have become such a power. you have to give them credit for that. how they became a power is really the discussion. at the same time it is a very dangerous thing because we want to have great companies. we don't want china to have these companies. right now china is afraid. you know, china is a very powerful, very smart group of people. i will tell you that from very personal experience.

>> a chinese tech company, tiktok, you wanted to ban tiktok. now you like it, apparently for some reason to do with facebook. it's chinese parent would have to sell it by january 19. would you force them to do that? trump: i originally had it all done, and then i said to congress, your decision. i said, i'm not going to pull any strings, nothing, your decision. you make it. but i had it all done. i said, you make it. and they decided not to make it. i did not care if they made it or not because to me it was the flip of a coin. you have some first amendment problems. you have a lot of problems. >> you just talked about chinese technology, the need to defend against it. the threat people see two american children. trump: i think it is a threat. i think everything is a threat. there is nothing that is not a threat. sometimes you have to fight through these threats. like google, i'm not a fan of google.

they treat me badly. are you going to destroy the company by doing that? if you do that are you going to destroy the company? what you can do without breaking it up is make sure it is more fair. they do treat me very badly. he told me, no way, you are the number one person on all of google for stories. which probably makes sense. most of them are bad stories, but these are minor details, right? it has only been because of fake news because the news is fake. we have to straighten out our press because we have a corrupt press. that is the one. [applause] >> can i ask you about silicon valley? you talk to tech people. there seems to be a real fear that what you would do with tech is handed over to elon musk and say, you sort it out. trump: i have great respect for elon.

look, i saw that rocketship come in yesterday and go right back to work. took off to the gantry, i guess they call it. i said, what the hell? i was talking about probably politics and the television is on, and i'm seeing this big thing where the white paint was burned off from thousands of miles an hour, the heat. this big, massive tube that is 10 stores, 20 stories tall come down. i told the person on the phone, wait a minute, i'm seeing something. i don't believe it. neither does anybody else here. i said, wait a minute, and i got the guy on the phone, he waited for half an hour, and i watched that come down and i watched it come down and come right in between us, big levers, and i said, and it looked to me like it was going to crash. all of a sudden you see motors, the fire kick in.

i call elon and said, that is the most incredible thing. i said, can russia do that? nope. can the united states do it? no. he is the only one. >> do you want to put him in charge of deregulation? cutting wasteful spending? trump: including deregulation. no. >> every president talks about cutting wasteful spending. trump: there is tremendous waste. give me an example of something you will do that will get rid of government spending. trump: when i came into government the first thing -- >> going forward. not what you did in the past. trump: this is the same thing. a general came into my office and he said, sir, it is nice to meet you, would you please sign this? i said, what is it? it is a contract for a new air force one, which is actually two planes, not one. i said, how much is it? $5.7 billion.

there is reasons for that. i said, nope, i'm not signing it. who negotiated it? barack hussein obama. i said, i'm not signing it. why? because there is a lot of fat. it's got to have a three on it long story short, some of you heard this. i got it down because first week they cut off $400 million, and i met with the head of boeing. dennis, i said, dennis, 5.7 is too much. he said, the most will take off is $700 million. i said, that's not bad for one conversation. then he took off two more. anyway, two months went by, i felt that we blew the deal and i didn't care. but we should have a new air force one. when we see these planes from saudi arabia, from different countries, brand-new, ours is 32

years old, and it is a very different plane, the united states should have the best plane, i will tell you. >> let me just ask, would you -- trump: he calls up after 2, 3 months, i did not call him, which is the best way to buy something. don't call back. when he called me i said, i wonder what he wants? that is a good way to negotiate, let me tell you. he calls me back, he says, sir, 3,999,000,000. and $.99. one penny below $4 billion. i said, you've got yourself a deal. then i said to him, let me ask you a question. you had a deal at $5.7 billion and i got $1.7 billion off. that means you are going to make $1.7 billion profit on an airplane. did nobody ever negotiate with you?

well, not really, sir, this is the price, and they said, we will take it. i said, you know, and then i learned, that was my first experience from that, but then i learned everything is like that. i'm getting -- think of this -- the exact same plane for $1.7 billion less, except i have a better paying job. much better paint job. red, white, and blue, it is beautiful. if you look at every contract, that is one contract, and relatively small compared to most. think of it. you save $1.7 billion because you negotiated? every deal is like that. we are building ships that cost 2, 3 times more. >> can you give me an example. trump: there is tremendous waste, fraud, and abuse and if you could cut it you would have a surplus without even going into growth. but growth, we will grow, we are

going to bring companies and jobs and at levels you have never seen. you would never be able to do it because you are not a believer. let me tell you, the only way you can do it is through the threat of tariffs. that is the only way you can do it. >> can we come back to one thing on that? dealmaking. there are some big businesses, but a lot of small ones. you have given us a lot of examples of things where you have negotiated with the heads of big businesses. when you put the tariffs on china, much smaller than you are planning to do at the moment, apple came, you negotiated a difference for them. trump: i did. >> that is much harder for small business people. isn't the way you deal with the m, there are small companies that get hit by all of these different things i cannot find exceptions?

trump: we have exceptions. no, no. i give apple an exception. >> apple it -- is not a small company. my question is about small businesses. what will you do for them? trump: we have a very talented group of people. bob lighthouse did a good job. we had great people. we had central casting. and a large group of people. we made exceptions. in the case of apple they needed an exception. you know why? because of samsung. he came to me he said, samsung makes a product similar to ours, very good, phones and other things. because they are in south korea they don't have the tariffs. i said, you happen to be right. you are not going to be able to compete. i said, i'm going to give you a one-year break, but i'm going to have you build factories in this country. he said, what does that mean? you have everything in china. i want you to move it back to our country.

and he started doing that. and he built a factory, a big one in texas. this was all a process. it was all happening. but i did give him an exception and the reason was he said -- as soon as he said samsung i said, how does that product compared to yours? i said, you cannot compete. you cannot have a 50% tariff and compete, right? i said, i'm giving you an exception. and i did it for many companies. >> small businesses. that was the question. trump: we do it for small businesses too. he came to me, he was at a meeting, and he built kitchen cabinets. and he was, you know, pretty big in business. he said, sir, china and south korea are building kitchen cabinets for one third of what i can make. i said, what is the quality? they are not as good, but they are good enough.

i put a 25% tariff -- still on -- on kitchen cabinets. i saw the guy 2, 3 days ago, he said, i'm the man that saw you about kitchen cabinets. you saved my company when you did the tariff and you saved thousands of jobs and my company is now doing very well. and he started to cry. this is a guy who has not cried too much, i will tell you. he said, you saved my company. >> maybe i can ask you about something else. business people in this room, business people, capital markets, they all like the rule of law, they like certainty. the chinese do not like it when things -- they like it when things go wrong in america. if you look at the events of january 6, 20 21, it showed too many people america's democracy was unruly and violent. only three weeks to go until the

election. will you commit to inspecting and encouraging a -- a peaceful transfer of power? trump: you had a peaceful transfer of power. >> you had a peaceful transfer of power compared to venezuela, but it was by far the worst transfer of power for a long time. trump: thank you. i appreciate that. this is what they like to do. this is what they like to do. >> the question is, would you respect the decision? trump: when i find out about this interview i did a little checking. this is a man who has not been a big trump fan over the years. i had a choice, do i do this interview or not? i'm glad i did it, but do i do this interview or do i disappoint a lot of people? i know a lot of people in the audience, but his view is different than mine. >> i'm asking you. mr. trump: we had a term. peacefully and patriotically.

these were people -- if you think an election is crooked -- and i do, 100% -- if you think the day it comes when you can't protest -- you take a look at the democrats, they protested 2016. they are still protesting. nobody talks about them. but if we protest we want to have honest elections. you think the last election was honest? >> it went to the courts. mr. trump: they went to court, and the courts all said, you don't have standing. nobody had standing. and it is hard after an election for a judge, but nobody ever had standing. but the facts, if you take a look, i would show you hundreds of pages of facts. people were angry. and i will tell you what. they never show that. the primary seen in washington was hundreds of thousands, the largest group of people i have ever spoken before. and it was love and peace.

some people went to the capital, and a lot of strange things happened there. people being waved into the capital by police, with people screaming "go in" that never got into trouble. i don't want to mention names but you know who they are. but you had a very peaceful -- i left. i left the morning that i was supposed to leave. i went to florida. and you had a very peaceful transfer. i will tell you what. those people that did go in, which was a tiny fraction of people that went to washington, you are talking about a very small -- hundreds of thousands of people, and i don't know what you had, 5, 6, 7 -- 700 people go to the capital. those people, not one of those people had a gun. nobody was killed except for ashli babbitt.

she was killed. she was shot in the head by a police man that knows what he did was horrible. so, i think we should be allowed to disagree on that. and obviously you see by the reaction. >> let's return to one another subject to bring up repeatedly, immigration. i know it is a very emotive issue for you. just from the perspective of business people here you look at the full effect of taking a lot of people out of the workforce, removing a lot of people. the congressional budget office is banking on the fact that there will be $9 trillion added to the gdp of america over the next 10 years by immigrants. you wanted to stop the process. for all the people who run businesses in the audience, i'm focusing on the economic. are you prepared to say, it is fine to have a slightly smaller economy in exchange for having immigration control? mr. trump: simple answer.

i want a lot of people to come into our country, but i want them to come in legally. [applause] >> that means you will have to deport -- you are talking about deporting 11 million people. that is a lot of people. mr. trump: it came out last week that 425 thousand people are horrible criminals at the highest level. but it came out that 14,099 were let in during their administration. over the last 3.5 years, 13,000-plus people came in, murderers. they are in jail for murder. some were having the death penalty. there were all released into our country. 13,099 people were released into our country. we had drug dealers released. we had street gangs released. look at what is happening in aurora. now i don't have to go with

aurora anymore. look at what happened yesterday in times square, where rough migrants from all over the place -- you know, it is not just south america. we have people coming in from the congo. large numbers from the congo and africa. they came in as of last night i was speaking to tom homan, 180 countries, people came in, they came from prisons and jails. they went from mental institutions and insane asylums, a step above. they came from the terrorists. we had large numbers of terrorists come in. and i was president we had the strongest border in the history of our country. i built hundreds of miles of wall -- and walls work, by the way. now we have the worst numbers, and here is the problem. we have some of the worst criminals in the world coming in. now, venezuela, their crime has

gone down at levels nobody has ever seen before. because they have taken their street gangs and drug dealers and they have emptied their presence. not fully, because they cannot get enough buses. they loaded up buses and they drive them into the united states, and they are dropping prisoners into our country. their numbers are crazy, how low it has dropped. i heard 72%. they have taken their gangs, they have taken their criminals off the street. they have taken people out of mental institutions, which cost them a fortune, and they have taken them and drop them into the united states of america. those people have to be returned. we cannot live with thousands of murderers. >> the issue i asked you about was the idea that if you reduce immigration -- every economist will tell you if you have fewer people there is a smaller

economy. fmr. pres. trump: i like immigration, but they have to come in legally. >> let's finish. >> no, i want to make sure. look, i don't want to have people that have killed nine people and are sadistic, crazy nut jobs. we have to have people that can love our country, that will obey the laws and everything else. you have hundreds of thousands of criminals being dropped in. venezuela is one country. look at what they have done in aurora. they have taken over apartment complexes. they have gone into the real estate business. they are like us, except they have done it with mk whatever the hell they are called, right? they have weapons that are so sophisticated -- our military does not have them -- they have taken over parts of cities. in colorado you have a place called beautiful aurora. take a look at what has happened in springfield, ohio, where they

dropped 30,000 people into a community of 50,000 people, and it is total bedlam. the hospitals cannot be used anymore by the residence. the schools cannot be used by the children that were there last year because other people that don't -- don't even speak the language. >> the issue i asked you about, many companies have a shortage of labor. trump: we will take care of that. we are going to get people in here rapidly and there are going to be people that want to be in here and people that love our country and will not kill people because they have -- because they don't like the way they look. these are, by the way, some of these killers are among the most evil killers. they will look at you down a beautiful woman there, they will look at you and kill you. these are seriously sick people, and, no, i don't want them in our country. they are in our country right now because kamala harris, who is an incompetent person.

>> for the record, as you know, the crime rate is lower. can i finish with two questions? the first, you just said it, you own and run businesses. would you appoint a ceo who was 78? trump: oh yeah. yeah, i would. it depends on people like biden who is in bad shape? i would not appoint him. he is 81 or 82. he is four years older. but i would appoint -- i know some of the smartest people i know. i know a man that made all of his money from the time he was which -- he was 80 to 90, and he was a failure all of his life. he was in the drinks business. >> you didn't bring this up when you ran against joe biden. trump: i never attacked him for his age. i attacked him for his lack of competence. >> i asked you all of these questions. >> i think it is important. and i know you do too.

i know so many people in their 80's that are among -- marcus is 95, the founder of home depot. you have a conversation with him, he is just as sharp mentally as he ever was. he is 95. i could tell you -- i don't want to get into the 90's stuff, but you know what? i know many people in their 80's. i know guys in their 80's that will not leave the company, like family companies where they do not want the kids to take over, because they are much more competent than their kids. i would have no problem. you do have another factor. >> on the supreme court you just said -- >> trump: some world leaders are in their 80's. if you look throughout history some of our greatest world leaders were in their 80's. that would not bother me. i took two cognitive tests and i aced them both. i think that, frankly, people

regardless should take -- if they are 50 or 40 or i think people should take cognitive tests not because of the age, but because of something else. he was the problem. -- here was the problem. they say it is unconstitutional. but i would love to see cognitive tests. i don't think she could pass a cognitive test. i don't think she could pass a cognitive test. >> you have gone over many issues on this. i asked you many questions. one thing i haven't asked about is the state of the race. on election night which state when you look at first? which state will this race be decided by? fmr. pres. trump: i think we are doing very well in pennsylvania. i think we are doing very well there. i think you look at michigan too , and i'm doing very well there. we are not going to necessarily -- the votes are starting to come in now so you look at polls, but you can also look at the votes that are being cast right now. people get a pretty good

indication. as we discussed backstage, aced -- based on the votes coming in so far we are doing very well. we are way up in pennsylvania. we are way up in michigan. we are doing well in arizona. i saw arizona. in fact somebody said they are going to pull the plug in arizona because it looks like we are ahead. i think we are doing well. look, this is a party, the republican party, of common sense. forget about conservative, liberal. we are really a party of -- we need borders, we need fair elections. we don't want men playing in women's sports. we don't want transgender operations without parental consent. there are so many things, but it is 99.9% is common sense. it really is common sense. i like to say it. i don't know if anyone has said it in the past, but we are really a party of common sense and we want to have great people

in our country. i want to have a lot of people come in so they have a choice. i have a good heart. i have a heart where i want people to be taken care of, but i do not want to take in people where millions of people, 21 million people at least have come in in the last 3.5 years unvented -- un-vented. unchecked, we don't know anything about them, how about this? gavin newsom, the governor of california. new scum, i call him. he corrected me. that is the first time. >> there are ceos out here if they said that sort of thing about a rival ceo they would be sacked. fmr. pres. trump: they don't have to go through what i went through. there has never been a president treated like me, so i have to fight my own way. [applause] >> you have made --

fmr. pres. trump: he signed a bill two days ago that you don't even have the right to ask a person for voter id, and if you ask a person for voter id, of course you have to show voter id. the only reason you would not do it is because they want to cheat. the bill says you cannot, it is against the law for you to ask a person. may i please see your voter id? what is our country coming to? >> you have given us a tour of where the country may be going to. thank you very much. fmr. pres. trump: thank you. good job. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2024] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] ♪

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[applause] pres. biden: hello, hello. >>[crowd chanting] thank you joe! thank you joe! pres. biden: you know, i represented delaware but i would not have been elected without philadelphia and that is the truth. thanks to the sheet metal workers local 19. along with the leaders of members of other labor unions across the country, folks i want to thank my good friend bobby

brady. if you are ever in a foxhole, you are looking for help, you want him next to you, man. you've got great leadership in the state. governor shapiro who i talked to all the time. lieutenant governor, two of the best in the nation. bobby casey from my hometown of scranton, pennsylvania. john fetterman, doing a tremendous job. he does better in short pants than most people do and long pants. you have an incredible mirror -- mayor ian cheryl parker. are we going to reelect bobby casey to the u.s. senate? are we going to elect mcclellan state treasurer? is eugene here? he is in the debate. you better elect him attorney

general. you've got to elect my body malcolm -- my body malcolm. most important, are you going to elect kamala harris president of the united states of america? folks, four years ago i picked her to be my vice president because she is smart and tough. she is a first rate district attorney in california, attorney general and u.s. senator but most of all, i picked her because she has character and integrity. i must admit, she has one endorsement that matters most to me. my son beau biden was attorney general of delaware and i gave him my word before he headed to little rock, he said it -- i met the next generation. he worked with kamala, they worked together to take on the

big corporations. he spent the next year in iraq with those awful burn pits. 10 feet deep, incredible, used to incinerate chemicals, tires, just like 9/11, all of those firemen. smoke thick with poison spread through the air into the lungs of our troops. beau, like many others, was diagnosed with glioblastoma. it was a death sentence. he lasted for a long while. he was attorney general in delaware, she was attorney general in california and he told me, dad, she is an extraordinary leader. she is the next generation. she has batman more to me. -- that and more to me. i know both jobs, what they take

and i can tell you kamala harris has been a great vice president and she will be a great president, as well. it is time to pass the torch to the next generation. i knew who i wanted to replace me. i endorsed kamala. her enthusiasm was off the charts. she beach trump so badly in the debate, he is scared to death to meet her again. tough guy, right? he knows he will lose again. he is a loser. that is a fact. i'm proud of our record the past four years. maybe you saw rachel maddow last night who raised a lot of questions. who is doing a better job in the economy? she said the biden harris economy has left every other rich country in the world in the

dust, it left the trump administration and the dust. that wasn't hard to leave him in the dust. i think he lives in the dust. we created more jobs in a single term but in all of american history. more people working today than ever before. wages are higher than they have ever been before and more people have more -- health insurance. what does trump want to do? use his favorite words, terminate. i'm serious, he means what he says. he wants to terminate the. he has been trying and he failed every time. if he does so 40 million americans is health care. 30 million. 100 million will lose protection because they have pre-existing conditions. he likes to call himself pro-business. we know trump is a failed businessman. he inherited $100 million. and he was bankrupt how many

times? i can't keep track. including bankrupting a casino, which is hard to do. how is that possible? i thought the house always won. he was not only a loser in 2020, he is a loser in everything he does. on my watch businesses of all sizes are surging. a record number of small business applications, 19 million so far since we got elected and every application is an act of hope. remember when trump got elected, he said the stock market would crash if i got elected. i didn't have any stock, but anyway. if he means the stock market crash to record highs, he is right. the highest in american history. it must be irritating to a guy who turns to fox news and sees

the biden harris it is the strongest in history. unemployment is in historical lows. the smallest racial wealth gap in 20 years. the wages have grown faster than inflation for more than a year. inflation is at 2.4%. in fact it is back to pre-pandemic levels and still going down. along with interest rates dropping. send middle-class folks are benefited more than those at the top. the number of workers filing for union representation has doubled since i became president. doubled. you got it, man.

>> [crowd chanting] thank you joe! pres. biden: my grandfather said , joey, you are union from belt buckle tissue soul. he said it a little more colorful than that. our administration is the first in five decades to increase union participation. it is simple. they know, you know, we know wall street didn't build america. the middle class did. that is a fact. i make no apologies for being the most pro-union president in american history. folks, i mean it. under our administration we made the most significant investment in public has -- $15 billion to law enforcement. not a single republican voted for it. as a result violent crime is down to a 50 year low.

murder rates are at the lowest ever. the reduction. trump's response, lie after lie. somehow he says the stats are fake. they are making up numbers. for weeks we negotiated the strongest bipartisan border deal in american history. one of the most conservative senators from oklahoma and a progressive democrat from connecticut worked on it, got it passed, and produced it into congress. what happened? judges, high-tech machinery and the like. trump knew it was a good deal. he got on the phone and started calling republicans saying you can't vote for this because it will help biden. he is a great american, isn't he? trump and the republicans killed the deal but kamala and i took executive action. despite of -- what trump says,

there are fewer border crossings today than there were when he left office. we were people coming into this country illegally -- fewer people coming into this country illegally than the day he left office. kamala will do more for comprehensive reform. that is one of the main things. let's set the record straight, more people are working today in america than any time. more people have health insurance than when trump was president. people earning higher wages. the stock market is higher. violent crime is down. fewer people are crossing the border and trump calls that a hellscape? he talks about america being a failed nation. where is he from? a president calls america a failed nation.

that makes me angry. i say america is winning. we are the most powerful, respected nation in the world and every other country would like to be like us. trump says we are losers but the only loser i know is donald trump. there is more work to be done. kamala and i have plans to bring down the cost of housing, childcare and more. how we solve these challenges will help the next president. every president has to cut their own path. i was loyal to barack obama but cut my own path as president. that is what kamala will do. she will cut her own path. she will further economic growth, making it easier to start businesses, how to make health care more affordable, the border more secure, how to make eldercare more affordable. this grows the economy and cuts the deficit. folks.

kamala will take the country in her own direction and that is one of the most important differences. her perspective is fresh and new. donald trump's perspective is old, failed and thoroughly, totally dishonest. what is his idea for our economy? he says he wants another tax cut, $5 trillion, this is not a joke. $5 trillion tax cut for the wealthy. last time he did $2 trillion tax cut and increased the national debt more than any other president in any single term. by the way, to pay his taxes to the wealthy, he wants to cut social security and medicare. it is not a joke. it is not a joke. in addition to terminating the affordable care act he wants to repeal what we did to lower prescription drug costs, bow down to big pharma again.

kamala finally beat big pharma. we gave medicare the power to negotiate. look. the v.a., seniors with disabilities are now paying $35 per month instead of $400. starting in january, all seniors on medicare will have a total percentage of drug costs capped at $2000 per year no matter how much they have to spend. [applause] pres. biden: cancer drugs. excuse me. we ain't going back. >> [crowd chanting] we are not going back! we are not going back! we are not going back! we are not going back!

we are not going back! we are not going back! pres. biden: by the way. our medicare reform not only saved seniors medicare money. you know how much it saved taxpayers? $160 billion. medicare is paying $35 instead of $400. trump wants to take that away. kamala wants to expand everything. look. trump would get rid of the $369 billion we passed, most in history to deal with climate change. by the way, no climate change, right? i just spent a week from florida to north carolina. it is devastated. you want to know why? because the ocean water is

warming. it is increasing the threat of significant weather. how does that make you feel after the last hurricane that ripped through this country? knowing we would cut back, just -- look. trump wants a new sales tax on goods we import. in significant numbers. 85% of all the sea food we eat is imported. 60% of the fresh fruit, 40% of the vegetables. we import coffee, clothing and much more. according to economist, if the sales tax will pass the average family will have an increase of 400 -- $4000 per year. it is a surprise that we have a guy who can't afford to say the word union wants to get overtime for hard-working folks taken

away. he and his allies say they support the middle class. give me a break. this is from the same guy who calls himself a great protector of women. come on. >> [crowd chanting] fire trump again! pres. biden: this guy has been held liable for $83 million for sexual and defamation. same guy who got rid of roe v. wade, who has 300 major cases waiting for him when he loses. and by the way, 34 felonies. he got the sentence kicked back, but i want to watch that sentence. donald trump is running for himself.

he is running to stay out of jail, i think. what does he have left? he has come down to demonizing immigrants, calling them animals. saying they don't have good genes and poison the blood of the country. it is sick. it is designed to prey on our worst fears. it is un-american. think about it. trump hides all his racism, or used to. now it is out front. he has the same idea on race as the 1930's. ideas on the economy from the 1920's, his ideas on women are from the 19 50's. this is 2024. we can't go back. we have made too much progress. we have to keep moving forward. for all the talk about policy, this is important but the real measure of a president's character.

integrity. judgment. because here is what i can tell you. every president is confronted with crises no one saw coming. in that moment, what matters about a president, does he or she have integrity? a code of honor they live by. what belief system guides their decision? how do they handle pressure? how do they respond when things don't go their way? will they uphold their oath and honor the constitution? with donald trump we know the answer. ask yourself, how did donald trump handle covid? a crisis he saw coming. we know from bob woodward's book that he lacks character. the belief that it wasn't the dangerous thing, and remember how he told us to inject bleach? bless me, father. in the middle of the covid

crisis he gave putin, came out recently, he gave vladimir putin covid tests that were deafened -- desperately needed by americans at home and to putin. trumpcare is more about kissing up to putin than he does about your sons and daughters. we lost more than a million people in covid. think about how many we could have saved if it wasn't for his selfishness. think about the 2020 election trump lost. we defeated him by 7 million votes but he couldn't accept it despite the ruling of more than 60 courts including the supreme court. he threatened the lives of elected officials, sent violent mobs to be u.s. capitol to stop a peaceful transition of power. he sat in the oval office and did nothing for three hours as

people were being attacked. lawmakers were forced to hide. when trump saw the mob was looking for mike pence to hang him, you know what his response was? so what? let me tell you something. you can't be pro-insurrection and pro-america. you can't denounce january 6, you don't have any business being president. and look. trump has gotten worse. he snapped. he's become unhinged. look at his rallies. last night, last night his rally stopped taking questions. because someone got hurt. and guess what? he stood on the stage for 30 minutes and danced. i'm serious. what's wrong with this guy?

if trump is elected again he said he'll use the justice department to attack his political enemies. he said he'll fire 500,000 civil servants and replace them with trump loyalist. he just said he could use the u.s. military to go after u.s. citizens who disagree with him. he said it. he still refuses to accept the results of 2020 and refuses to accept the results of the 2024 election if he loses again. look, folks. every generation faces a moment where democracy has to be defended. this is our moment i believe to my core, when we beat trump in 2020, we saved american democracy. now we have to do it again in 2024. folks, in this election we have to decide who we want, what we want america to be, who is

america? kamala will be a president who believes in an america that still stands for the corps proposition stated in this -- started this nation. right here in philly. where the declaration of independence was signed. where the constitution was written. where we determined the power of the institutions of government are determined by the power of the people. the very idea of america, we are all created equal, deserve to be treated equally. we've never fully lived up to it but unlike trump we're not going to walk away from it. i'll be damned if we walk away from it now. we have a lot of work to do. especially here in pennsylvania. how you go will affect the elections. we have to talk to friends and neighbors and co-workers, we have to beat back the lies with truth and we have to vote. we have to get out the vote.

philadelphia are you ready in let's show the world who we are. we are the united states of america. and nothing is beyond our capacity when we work together. god bless you all and may god protect our troops. thank you. ♪ higher and higher i said your love keeps on lifting higher and higher ♪♪ [crowd chanting "thank you joe"]

♪ your love keeps lifting me -- pres. biden: by the way, i married a philly girl! [applause]