and you can always post on our social media sites on facebook and x. let's start with kendra in virginia. independent line. go ahead. caller: good morning. i mostly get my news -- i try to find stations that are unbiased. i have been watching c-span washington journal for over 10 years now. i used to watch cnn and then i stopped because i realized they were really left leaning. my most recent station i watch since 2021 is newsnation. that is the station i watch, mostly in the evenings to get my news from. host: when you watch, you say

you look for bias. what is it in the news coverage you look for that you say i will stay with the station or not stay with the station? caller: i want to make sure they are covering, as far as with political news, i want to make sure they are covering things fairly. i do not want them to just cover one person most of the time. when they bring on guests i prefer they bring someone that is going to talk about one candidate and then have another person that will talk about the other candidate, not just bringing someone on that is going to bash one candidate stop i want to make sure whoever they bring on, there are views from

both political sides. host: kendra in virginia. let's hear from hannah in connecticut. democrats line. caller: i usually go straight to c-span and i also listen to msnbc and cnn at my local channel, which is cbs. i would like to say that when i went to vote -- since covid came about i had to register all over again and i am 77. i thought i was all set with that. they should talk a lot bit more on television to let us know that you have to register in some places again. i would also like to say i only have one time to talk. i'm try to say all i have to say now. i think president biden come up with the task force to study all

of these gases that are being dumped into the ozone. that is the reason way we have -- why we have all these hurricanes. just to have a study on what the spaceships are dumping out into the earth as they come up and go back down. host: is to keep on the topic, i know you have a lot of things to talk about. when you watch your various news channels do you watch just the news portions, to watch the opinion shows, watch all of it? what is that for you? caller: i am also looking for the news because of a storm is coming up or something i want to make sure we know about it. i wanted to say one thing. one thing i will let you go. jd vance's wife is indian and i think kamala harris should be looking at that group of people. host: let's go to ben in

pennsylvania. caller: as far as my go to sources for news, i imagine i'm a little bit of an outlier when it comes to being an arctic supporter of president trump, i watch everything from fox to msnbc. i watch the opinion, i watch the news, nightly news with lester holt is my preferred in terms of nbc abc cbs. i do want to say c-span is by far the most reliable news source out of all of them. i feel you are the only ones left who truly give a nonbiased opinion on issues throughout the day and throughout the months and throughout the election. that being said, vice president harris interview with bret baier on fox, i respect her for doing that but we cannot forget president trump has been facing adversarial media for the last 10 years and doing it regularly.

to answer the question directly, i like to get all of the opinions and make my am decision. host: there is ben in pennsylvania. you can continue on with thoughts. maybe they have said something you can agree with or go to other places when it comes to news consumption. (202) 748-8001 republicans, (202) 748-8000 for democrats. independents, (202) 748-8002. the caller just mentioned the interview the vice president conducted with bret baier. one of the topics is the question about how her administration would differ from that of the current president, joe biden. here's part of that exchange from yesterday. [video clip] >> you are not joe biden and you are not donald trump but nothing comes to mind you would do differently? >> my presidency will not be a continuation of joe biden's

presidency. like every new president that comes into office i will bring my life experiences, my professional experiences, and fresh and new ideas. i represent a new generation of leadership. i am someone who has not spent the majority of my career in washington, d.c. i invite ideas from republicans who are supporting me who were just on stage with me minutes ago and the business sector and others who can contribute to the decisions i make about my plan for increasing the supply of housing in america and bringing down the cost of housing. addressing the issue of small businesses which is about working with the private sector to bring more capital and access to capital to our small business leaders, including my plan for a $25,000 down payment assistance for first-time homebuyers and for small businesses extending the tax deduction from $5,000 to

$50,000. >> we have heard a lot about those plans. your campaign slogan is a new way forward and it is time to turn the page. you have been vice president for three and a half years so what are you turning the page from? >> first of all turning the page from the last decade in which we have been burdened with the kind of rhetoric coming from donald trump that has been designed and implemented to divide our country and have americans literally point fingers at each other. rhetoric and an approach to leadership that suggests the strength of a leader is based on who you beat down instead of the strength of leadership is based on who you lift up. host: that was a portion from her interview with fox news. you can see more of it at their website. we are asking where you get your political news. someone posting on her facebook site saying -- someone posting on our facebook site saying he goes to multiple sources.

re--- marie saying newsnation and foxbusiness and also i connect the dots from all of e major news media, they'll connect the dots which is so fake. jennifer jones saying i listen tovething. the media, new sites, political fact. that is part of the media diet they consume leading up to an election. let's hear from harry in albany, new york. independent. host: good morning -- caller: good morning. i have been an independent for over 30 years. i don't really watch a lot of local news. i can just pick that up on youtube. as for the national news i wait for msnbc and sometimes i stay

up for lawrence o'donnell. during the workday i'd like to listen to podcasts including dan carlin common sense. we may agree or disagree but he is an excellent presentation. when i get the chance i have subscriptions to foreign affairs and foreign policy. i try to take a broad approach and use the occam's razor, reduce it down to the most common sense. host: harry in new york. coal is from england on the democrats line. hello. go ahead. caller: after all of these years i think the television news channels in america to a good job of the broadcasting of political views and political stories about the election. i get my views -- my political

news on the american news. they do a great job. c-span does a good job as well. host: we get a lot of people who would say to watch a channel like the bbc or other international news and they get more from that versus american news. how does american news differ from what you might see in your country? caller: >> campaign event with democratic governor tim walz and former. the president: clinton speaking to voters in durham, north carolina. live coverage on c-span. ♪

♪♪ >> i'm fired up. i'm fired up and ready to go. hello everyone, i'm a senior at the north carolina central university here in durham. and today, today, because my generation needs and deserves leaders who are looking out for our future. vice president harris and governor walz are leaders that are fighting not only for me, my community, but also my generation. [cheers and applause] they have a vision for a new way forward. [cheers and applause] that they will protect our fundamental

freedoms, and preserve our democracy. [cheers and applause] as vice president, we know kamala harris has been fighting for us. and she knows, she knows that our hcbu's are important cultural educational institutions that drives innovation, research and economic building. vice president harris along side president biden have invested a record $17 billion in our nation's hcbu's. [cheers and applause] and delivered one of the largest increase in pell grant programs in over a decade.

now, meanwhile, donald trump would be a disaster for students. we have to realize his project 2025 agenda for a second term includes extreme plans to eliminate the department of education. and then take away from the head start program diverting funding away from public schools and stopping for giveness loan programs. his plan would hurt the economy and raise costs which is not something that my percent and i want to do in this generation! [cheers and applause] and we talk about it, the members of our generation want leaders with

the vision for the future. one where we are all able to achieve our version of the american dream. [cheers and applause] with vice president harris, we know that she is fighting to give us more opportunities to make it easier to get an education, to make it easier to get a good paying job and to start a small business. [cheers and applause] and we talk about vice president harris selected her running mate and picked a leader who shares her vision for a new way forward. [cheers and applause] and has always been fighting for working people and students like myself. now, governor walz has a heart for service that i admire and

tries to emulate, whether in the class rooming, national guard or in the football field or governor, we see tim walz has spent every day trying to make a difference for the american people. [cheers and applause] and let me tell you a few things he has done as governor. signed the largest tax cut in minnesota's history. lowered the costs for the middle-class families. stood up for our fundamental freedoms, just to name a few of his accomplishments. today is the day, north carolina, early voting starts today and i am proud to have voted. i voted today as you all should vote today! everyone here, we know the path

to the white house runs through north carolina. [cheers and applause] everyone here we know has the power to make their voices heard. and turn the page to eliminate the extremists of donald trump and j.d. vance. this election is simple, get ready to elect vice president cares and -- kamala harris and to build a better economy. and now, it is my great honor to introduce the governor, our next vice president from minnesota, tim walz! [cheers and applause]

gov. walz: thank you. [crowd chanting tim] >> good afternoon, durham, we are in the right spot. i don't know about all of you, we are going to get through this election and president harris when we are done with this thing. listening to devon, our future is bright. our future is bright. [applause] i'm going to admit that i'm partial to former governors. you saw the last challenging weeks, roy cooper is an absolute gem. [applause] and you grow them well down here

because those are big shoes to fill. but i tell you what, josh stein is going to do just fine. and i'm giddy, i'm standing on the stage with the 42nd president of the united states. [cheers and applause] this is the comeback kid and knows a little bit something about being an underdog and being underestimated a bit. but i think you would be hard-pressed to find anybody that understands people and politics better than bill clinton. [cheers and applause] he has been a leader. he understands what it takes to win these campaigns and he gives of his time, because what he understands what you understand, you came here today and

president clinton came here today because you believe in the promise that you love this country. that's why you came here today. and i am glad that president clinton and all of you are out here to make the case why we need to elect kamala harris the next president of the united states. i want to say before i get started and i bring this to you and certainly from minnesota, the eyes have been upon all of you. we know folks who lost loved ones and everything they have. communities are still in the moments of recovery. the biden-harris administration are doing everything they can to get relief to these areas to get it done. [applause] and at times like these it brings up the best of this country and we are going to have

a choice to decide to go down the road that donald trump wants to take us down of chaos and division or kamala harris' vision of the united states that cares about each and every one. so we are going everywhere. kamala and i are going everywhere. we are regulars on fox news. donald trump isn't going many places. and he did a little town hall on unionyvision and he was asked and why are you and j.d. vance making up stories about people in this country at legally and putting them at risk and

spreading stories that are untrue. tells you about everything you need to know about this. these lies they are saying, republican officials are telling them to stop it and they are telling them about republican officials hotel them to stop telling lies. there are outsider making life harder for people. and they have names, donald trump and j.d. vance. that is who they are. [cheers and applause] now yesterday was like an epiphany day. a little debate in new york city and i asked the simplest question, did donald trump lose the 2020 election? pretty simple. every court in the land and every person knows that and i

got a smug, tim, we are thinking about the future, something like that. yesterday, they just start saying the quiet stuff outside and he said no, donald trump did not lose the 2020 election. the job we are asking to serve the american public, we don't serve an individual, we serve the constitution and the people of the united states. that's who we serve. j.d. vance made it clear his loyalty is to donald trump and not to the people of this community or any community across the country. but look, he is never going to be vice president and donald trump is never going to be president. [cheers and applause] you can say no to them and yes to kamala harris and yes to a

unified country. a new way forward. [cheers and applause] i love when she talks about this, a single mom and kid who grew up in rural nebraska, middle class folks but one thing we understand, the economy works best when it is fair and focused on the middle class. now, that seems pretty simple to most of us, but not to these guys, so she's got a plan and we are talking about it. i have been talking to the media. we are going to rural pennsylvania and laying out a plan for rural america. let's talk about some of the things in there. 100 million americans will see a tax cut. i passed the largest tax cut in minnesota history, not for the

rich but for the middle class. they are doing just fine and this idea of price gouging and cost of pharmaceuticals. you saw it down here and we saw it in florida, a hurricane is coming and all after sudden airline prices went up. that is not capitalism but price gouging. and for insulin capping it at 35 that is life and death. al ex smith aged out of his patients' insurance at 26 which we need to keep in the a.c.a., but alex started rationing his insulin and his mom had to come to the state capital and said we will not leave until we fix this of $35 medicine that costs five

bucks to manufacture. now vm very excited, we have a pretty young crowd here, and that's good. [cheers and applause] those of you who look like me and little less gray, you don't think about medicare and social security. the greatest antipoverty programs this country has put forward. and medicare, when you get to be 60, you start paying to medicare. kamala harris put out a plan especially for rural communities across this count dry, medicare will start paying for home health care so seniors can stay in their home. [cheers and applause]. and whether it is affordability

on college or young folks and the rest of us trying to buy a home, building more affordable homes and the down payment keeps us out of the home and doing the tax credit, more people can buy homes across this country. [cheers and applause] those of you who want to be their own boss. $50,000 tax credit to start your own business. [cheers and applause] president clinton rermts this. we had an incredible senator from minnesota we lost in a plane accident named paul wellstone. and paul wellstone taught us a lot of things but i simplified the economy with a saying he had. he said it's simple, folks, we all do better when we all do

better. some folks have a tough go and things get difficult. vice president put out and released agenda, an opportunity for black men. no denying there are historyal barriers that stop people and no reason that home ownership should be different because there is generational wealth. we know that. [cheers and applause] we need to make sure the housing and all that and specifically targeting access to capital for black entrepreneurs to start their own business is absolute. making sure we are targeting job training so folks can get the skill and capital they need to be their own bosses or work them in the industry that makes you the middle class.

so that's an agenda that is out there. and look, there is a disproportionate impact on laws around cannabis have set back folks in those communities. when we in minnesota talk about this and kamala talks about this and legalizing cannabis, get the first shot to make money in those industries. and let's all start saying the quiet part out of donald trump. j.d. said the voters don't like the racist part of trump. i didn't say it. he said it. when donald trump is bringing about stop and frisk policies, that is harassment that went on the black community and put

blackmails into incarceration. we are not going back to those policies. [crowd chanting, we're not going back] you know they want to make false choices. let be clear, civil rights and public safety go hand in hand. but i want to be fair. not everybody thinks the same way we do. and trump and vance have different did ideas and they know they are doing with project 2025. donald trump is worried about this and said no one associated with project 2025 will be in my administration. every one of them is. he said he didn't know what it

is. i never written the forward of somebody's book. they wrote that thing. look, here's what's in it. take away the affordable care act. this is a time now to talk to your neighbors, talk to your relatives, your brother. we all got them. but they will tell you, i don't like his character and some of the things he says, and policies. you jump in, which policies. taking away your. vance tried to explain it. i said you need to go back to the concept because your idea is terrible. the a.c.a. was transformational because it protects us with preexisting conditions. insurance companies want to charge you premiums and what they like to do is not have to

pay out from that. one way is to ensure healthy people and let the sick people get along however you can. that doesn't work. you create the pools together where we have the opportunity to get basic human rights of health care. look donald trump called social security a ponzi scheme. j.d. said it it was impediment to fiscal security. social security doesn't add to our. when my dad died when i was in high school, it was social security benefits that kep us alive. so, look, we hear this and this is a tough state. when they tell you, pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

so social security is the boost. if i would have had $400 million and better position than he is. let's today, i listened to two business interviews. i never met no one in my life that has business ak can you men than donald trump because this guy is trying to convince the entire world because his tariffs are a sales tax on everything we buy that will cost your family $4,000. don't let him say china will pay for it. not going to happen. not going to happen. he doesn't know business and doesn't know the middle class. and for all of you, i'm going to

be generous, we are products of our past. when you grow up in a middle class family, you care about those things. and sitting down in mar-a-lago, i'm going to give you a tax cut, doesn't matter. when my mom looks for that social security, that's how she is going to feed herself and he doesn't give a damn. if any of our relatives or if they tell us that donald trump understand us. that is bullbleep. you know it. i'm a teacher, i'm sorry about that. you know what we got here. you got it up here. it's about freedom. and i'll leave you with this,

the freedom for women to make their own health care decisions. [cheers and applause] the freedom to drink clean water and breathe clean air. i say this as a parent and teacher and send your children not be shot dead in their classrooms. [cheers and applause] i'm taking nothing on this, i'm a veteran and hunter, i own firearms, kamala harris owns firearms. this might be the first time that both democrats on the ticket are gun owners right now. and might be the first time that the guy on the other side can't pass a background check because

he has felonies. [laughter] look, there is another reason stakes in this election are so high. we made it through the first term of trump, we could probably make it through another. [crowd saying no] >> i'm an eternal optimist. i supervised supervising the school lunch room. i worry for the democracy of this country. so, all things aside, this is truly serious and i say this because someone i respect, general milley, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff and mark milley doesn't have time to

minimums -- mince words. he told us that he believes donald trump is fascist to the core. donald trump's power isn't hypothetical and the rest is coming from his mouth. last week, one of trump's closest buddies, mike flynn, trump former national security adviser and contender to be that job again in the white house he was asked if he would lead military tribunals to carry out executions if trump wins again. mike flynn answered, we have to win first. he followed that up to understand how bat bleep crazy he was. he said the gates of hell, the

gates of hell, my hell will be unleashed. this is the guy that donald trump wants to hand the keys to the federal government over to on security. so, look, if there is anybody in your life who really meant when donald trump called for a bloodbath and think he is just talking, you remember 2016 and you rerl the way he talked, this is not that trumy. this is something much more did he ranged and desperate and what j.d. vance said there are no guardrails around him. republicans in congress won't have the courage to stand up to him. one way to stop it. we need to go vote and make sure

none of this ever happens. [cheers and applause] look, hundreds of republicans out with kamala campaigning, who would ever thought we would see bernie sanders, dick cheney and taylor swift on the same ticket? so, look, we got do what americans do on this. that is the language of dictators. that is the language of totalitarianism. we need to go to the polls and win this thing. here's the deal. i'm going to finish because you are here for the main event. but i want to leave enough time if you don't have one of those stickers on, go vote and get one today. today. [cheers and applause] if you are not registered, you

can register to vote today and vote today. if you are going to vote by mail, do that today, too and get it in. follow the instructions carefully because these guys want to throw out ballots. if you need to, i will vote. com/mc will tell you how to fill out your ballot and get it done. go knock doors, go knock doors and make phone calls and tell your brother to quick voting the other. give a buck or two it gets things like this going. here's the thing, i'm going to turn it over whose accent who might be closer to you, a son of the south, a governor, someone

who understood small town. and i will say this, as someone who named his daughter hope, the man from hope who brought us that all the changes that make a difference, please join me in welcoming our 42nd president, bill clinton. [cheers and applause] pres. clinton: thank you. i have one thing to say off the bat. people who say on the other side that kamala harris is an

unknown, dangerous radical -- can you hear me now -- for all these critics that our candidate kamala harris say she is unknown, dangerous radical, whatever, the first decision she made was tim walz. and i think she did pretty good. [cheers and applause] that says a lot about what kind of president she'll be. first decision donald trump made was j.d. vance. [crowd booing] and has defied countless courts many of whom trump appoint to

say no, he didn't lose in 2020. maybe the whole thing was rigid. and he had the gal to say in his debate with tim that he didn't want to destroy the health care bill where there were protections for people with plee existing and trying to make it more sound. that was a whopper. and there are probable 30% of the audience, maybe more, who have family and certainly friends who would be affected if we got rid of the protections of charging people with preexisting conditions more. that reason alone should be

enough to defeat the trump ticket in north carolina and america. [applause] so i really like tim walz. spent his whole life serving his family and country and made a positive difference in every role he played. he left a rewarding as a career as a teacher and coach and told me his football team just won against its arch rival and he went home and checked on it in the middle of the election. he was in the national guard for 24 years. he represented a rural congressional district that elected one other democrat in more than a century and they trusted him. and after he flipped it blue, he

proved that you can compromise without compromising your values to make the system work again. worked across the aisle on the farm bill and veterans' issues. aren't you sick of all this bad mouthing that dominates american politics today? he proves it doesn't have to be this way. look at his record as governor. and did unbelievable things for working families and especially those and tax cuts and paid leave. and i could sit here for another hour listening to him talk

because it reminds me of home. let's cut to the chase. i don't have any more elections and i'm too old. i'm only two months younger than donald trump. [laughter] but i will not spend 30 minutes swaying back and forth listening to music. and i will not clap offbeat. i pretend to be a conductor. we have a race to win.

and doing it a long time and i can say i am not here running for anything anymore except for my grandchildren's future. [applause] you heard what tim walz said and hear what i describe for north carolina and the country. presidential election is an interview for the most important job in the world. when you do the hiring, you have to decide what the criteria for the job are. and in effect, the people make that decision every presidential election over and over and over. so how do you decide what questions you are going to ask. here are the questions that i hope you'll ask.

which candidate will take us forward, which will take us backward? which will give our children a brighter future or a future of moral uncertainty. which will make us more united and relish? which will make us -- regardless of who we vote for. and when the election is over, will we live under the same set of rules? that's a big deal in a democracy. it's not just about who gets the most votes but what rules you play by. you have a supreme court that virtually said once you get to be president, you can just make

up the rules. and he keeps talking about how he wants to get even and may have to call out the military on our own people. the danger within. i suppose that includes me. [laughter] they asserted the right to go after anybody that he thinks in his wisdom is a threat. you promise to preserve, protect and defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic and he said, i think i'll start with domestic. baiting the army. i used to like president

clinton. i once said he and only ronald reagan but i have had a change of heart and i think he needs to go away for a long time. and i'm not going to execute him, although i could under the supreme court's ruling but i think i'll send him to the colorado supermax. i already got a petition ready. i want him to transfer me to guantanamo guantanamo because when you are 78 you are worried about it being too cold than being too hot. [laughter] let me tell you something, being president is a sacred duty. and the sheer joy i had every

day i'll never be able to replay for it. and even the terrible days when they were trying to tear my head off, there was always something good you could do for someone. [applause] the idea that we should give into grievance and resentment and score settling, even my mother used to say, my greatest weakness is a politician and i could never remember who i was supposed to be mad at, but when you get a job like that, you are supposed to be fair to everybody and do something that is good

for everybody. that's what the job says, that's what the constitution says, that's what you mean, i think and forming a more perfect union. we, the people of the united states, in order to take hell from the other side and tear them to pieces, it says we are to form a more perfect union. and i can tell you and i know both the candidates very well. i think kamala harris is the only candidate in this race -- [applause] that has had the vision, experience, the temperment, and yes, the will to do that on good and bad days. one of the things i find most

interesting about donald trump which has surprised me as someone who has known him over the years and there were times we had a cordial relationship and he was nice to me until he decided to have hillary should be locked up for her email practices which the state department said, the state department said she sent out exactly zero confidential emails and received exactly zero. and somehow he was able to make that the biggest issue in 2016. but any way, he now makes this into personal grievancees and these crazy conspiracy. and congressman greene said it's the deep state and the ability

to direct lasers into hurricanes so that instead of what usually happens is that eastern north carolina is hit with more red north carolina. and they want people to believe that. i remember when i was a young man, i fell in love with thomas wolf novels and i read all of them and couldn't wait to go to asheville and it is a beautiful place. and i played that that woodrow wilson, the idea that someone who willfully destroy or hurt

people in that part of the nation because of their politics is appalling. but i am sure now there are people that believe it. what happened, we lost our local newspapers and radio stations and everything was the planet. but the most extreme media -- and friends on fox news. she did a good job with brett baier, didn't she? [applause] one of the things that bothers me when someone says how bad they are and how awful they are, they don't tell you the full story. certainly trump doesn't.

this is the most important thing for you to actually solve the problems that he moans about. solutions and getting along better with your neighbors are bad for his band, isn't that right? you don't have to cut the lies. i came up this morning and i made it happen. it rained yesterday. if i had been president, it never would have happened. it's always about him. one reason i want kamala harris is that it will be about you. [cheers and applause] number two, kamala harris wants to go forward and not backward.

she doesn't want to waste time talking about this stuff. look at inflation and the economy. i did have the job for eight years and we had the longest peace time expansion in history. [cheers and applause] balanced the budget in 30 years. [cheers and applause] we paid $600 billion to end the national debt. but you got to know when to say, and you can't pretend that all spending is the same. if you look ti candidates' plan, the trump plan is twice as more

expensive as the harris plan and it will help way less than half the people that the harris-walz plan will help because their plan goes mostly to help already wealthy people and wealthy corporations who don't need it and won't necessarily invest which is going to the middle class and so while he is voting for the democrats, a lot of people say there has been too much inflation. that's right. when covid happened and the economy and the world shut down, it broke the supply chain. and when the supply chain is broken and the demand for goods is much higher than the

available supply, when the supply chain ends here, the price forces a raise. that happened everywhere in the world. now what happened? the administration of president biden and all of his economic team and vice president harris tried to get the inflation rate going down and finally the federal reserve has lowered interest rates which is going to drive it down more. [applause] so there is still some residual inflation that we have especially in the fuel prices. now here's how that works, if you look nationwide, there are still quite a large number of independent grocery stores,

especially in smaller places, but have a limited number of supplies. and then there's the problem of concentration in larger places of huge grocery stores with massive numbers of customers having a big sale and markup. it sounds like a low profit margin, but if you got millions of customers, you can make a ton of money with that profit margin and the difference of 1% might be enormous and it might come off people buying meager groceries to stay alive. most states have antiprice gouging laws but we always let

it to states before. and this is changing before our eyes and getting more and more concentrated and harris was the first one to say we need a national price gouging law. [cheers and applause] and bob casey, the senator from pennsylvania, has already introduced one. you have them in blue states and red. we might be able to get a big partisan vote for them. but we won't but we won't get it if they don't get it in the congress and we don't have a president standing behind us. once the justice department starts to look into these things, prices may start to drop a little bit. if you think you are free to do

whatever you want, it's a different than if you have to think about if the law will come down on you. this is just one example, but she is in this looking for a practical solution to a big problem. people doing their best to run independent grocery stores and people trying to do the best for their families at reasonable prices. so i hope you will think about that and i hope you will talk to your neighbors about that. we just started this early morning. there is still time to talk to people. but i think it's unfair -- i

will back off from calling names, but it's unfair to pretend that we could be the only country in the world that will escape this inflation problem, and she is actually trying to do something about it. that's the first thing. second thing is she will help working families by another big increase in the earned income tax credit. [applause] and i know this will work, and the ruby -- there will be $6,000 in the first year of a baby's life. i know this will work because i know that when i was president and it was the beginning of that and we started with the first family tax credit -- it was only

about $500 a child then, but that was back in the dark ages when i served. [laughter] but together, those things moved 8 million people and working families from poverty into the middle class. this works. [applause] since we started on this road, child poverty has gone down almost 60%, and if we interact what kamala harris and tim walz want to do, it will be cut in half again. the guys on the other talk a lot about family values, but i think

how your children live, eat, get medical care and handle medical responsibilities that they impose on their parents, i think those are very important family values. so what does donald trump want to do? his economic plan basically amounts to more tax cuts for the ultra-wealthy. he does impose tariffs across the board, and all the surveys show that that's kinda popular because it sounds like he's zapping foreigners. here's the problem -- if you double tariffs on stuff that we don't make here but you have to buy, all you are doing is raising the price of stuff we have to buy.

it doesn't create any jobs for anybody. it's not like the ships bill -- the chips bill where president biden got the support to start manufacturing computer chips in the united states. this is just stuff -- anything. buying pencils for your kids to go to school with, whatever. if you do that, it it amounts to a sales tax on every family. these tariffs will hurt lower and middle income families most because north americans spend a larger percentage of their income on goods and, the very things we don't produce here, so economists say it would cost middle-class families about $4000 a year, and by raising the price of essentials like gas, medicine, and prescription drugs, which also he wants to do

, it will become worse. please talk to your friends about that. and then there's the jobs issue. we are about to finish the four-year term which has produced more jobs than any four-year term in the history of the united states. [cheers and applause] and it's kind of rich barron trump talk about how bad -- hearing trump talk about how bad the economy is under biden. he will complain that's not fair because look at what i had to go

through with covid, but he inherited a booming economy and had the great good luck that most voters did not feel it yet because there's often about a three-year lag between when something good or bad happens and anyone is going to feel it, but already before covid happened, the job growth under trump was a down from president obama's last two years. he wants you to believe, like i said before, a whole different world started when i took office, and, boom, everything got fixed, when, in fact, the job growth was already underway, so democrats do know how to create jobs. [applause] since the end of the cold war,

about 51 million new jobs have been created by the private sector. 50 million under democrats. if tim walz would still -- were still out here, he would tell you if you are had 50-1 -- ahead 50-1, you are winning. if you vote for tim walz and kamala harris, they will up the score even more. the same thing with health care. as i said, republicans donald trump's support, both before and during the time he was president, voted 60 times to reveal -- repeal the affordable care act. now he says he still wants to repeal it, but he will replace it with concepts of a plan. [laughter]

meanwhile, you got to pay the health care bill. i mean, if i came to you with concepts of a plan, you would tell me to take a hike. concepts of a plan means you are going to lose protections for existing conditions. you are going to lose much of the freedoms we have and the options we have, and i don't care what they say, they are coming after the right to choose if they went -- if they win. [applause] so what's going to happen? limits on insulin pricing will be gone. the $2000 limit a year for seniors will be gone.

harris and walz want to get rid of the age limit and bring this down to other people. we know a lot of these people are selling medicine for astronomically more than it cost to make it. so if you want to spend more for less, pay more for prescription drugs, take the safety net away, create a more calamitous world for your family, you've got a good choice here. [laughter] trump is waiting for you. [laughter] now, look, look at his own vice president, members of his cabinet, prominent members of republican congress, military leaders, members of his own administration who will not

endorse him because they say kamala harris will honor the constitution and give us a new -- give us a normal life and enhance our strengths, and he will not. [applause] he wants four more years of chaos, four more years of the blame game. we want a leader who will take us to buckle down, to solve problems, to seize the opportunities, to give us a stronger middle-class with greater ability for more people to work their way into it. we want to do things, and we are tired of wasting time talking

about problems. we want more affordable housing, more affordable health care. you heard what governor walz said about housing. more affordable childcare, more financing for small businesses, stronger alliances for freedom and democracy around the world, including in ukraine. [cheers and applause] and we want peace in the middle east that secures israel's future and gives palestinians a right to a homeland. [applause] that's what we want. we want to lead but through cooperation and were not too

interested in hearing about the late, great hannibal lector. [laughter] or the very real wishes of president putin and the president of north korea. folks, it's dangerous. we are all having fun. i want you to have a good time, but this is really serious. here's what i know -- for 250 years now, we have always been divided. benjamin franklin's only son was a loyal governor of new jersey and was never reconciled with his father. you cannot get over every conflict, but we've got a constitution which specified how they were all going to be handled. basically, could be subtitled

"let's make a deal." majority rule, minority rights, individual rights, the rule of law, and all us living under the same rule. but somehow, we kept hope alive. we kept marching together. we should not despair about these divisions. we have to do something about it. [applause] we all have to reach out our hands to our neighbors, those that agree with us and those that don't. we should realize that more than ever before in my lifetime, the fundamental protections of the constitution -- majority rule, minority rights, individual

rights, rule of law, same set of rules apply to everybody -- those things are in great danger , and i'm telling you, i think it is an enormous opportunity that we have been given to elect kamala harris. [cheers and applause] i think she is clearly up for the job. tim walz is clearly up for the job. they will bring us together and move us forward. will everything be hunky-dory? will you agree with everything they do? no, this is the real world, but you still get a chance to do as much good for as many people, so go out there and win this because --

[cheers and applause] your country needs you. your families need you. future generations need you. so, starting today, take advantage of the chance to vote early and spend the rest of the time all the way to election day taking other people to the polls. [applause] a lot of people need a plan to vote. they need help voting. we have so much hay in the barn. there is not another country on the face of this earth that is better position for the next 20 years than the united states -- not one. [cheers and applause]

but we have been through so much turmoil, so much trouble. we still have people with ptsd from covid. this has been tough on people. you've got to take a deep breath and push this thing over the finish line. thank you. on behalf of my grandchildren and yours, there is a lot on the line. so far, for more than 250 years, everybody that has been against america has lost money. [cheers and applause] do not -- don't let them down. don't let the future down. don't let the kids down.

don't let the prospect that we might learn to live together, learn from each other, and have fun again with our differences got away. you can do it. [cheers and applause] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2024] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] ♪

>> governor walz has two campaign stops in durham and then heads to another event in winston-salem, north carolina. he is in that state today for the first day of early voting in the state. this is his third campaign visit to the tar heel state as vice president kamala harris' running mate.

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1993 and 1995 examine the events surrounding the deadly 1993 siege carried out by the federal government and other law enforcement agencies at the branch davidian compound near waco, texas. watch "congress investigates," tonight at 10:00 eastern on c-span2. >> pennsylvania senator bob casey is running for a fourth term. he met his republican challenger in a debate at focused on the u.s. economy, aborti, and immigration. mr. mccmick accused senator casey of being in lockstep with theiden-harris administration. senator casey suggested his rival had ties to china and russia in his work as ceo for a hedge fund. from philadelphia, the debate is an hour. >> welcome to the pennsylvania senate debate 2024, your voice, your vote. tonight's debate is brought to you by 6 abc in partnership with

univision 65. live from 6 abc studios, our candidates in alphabetical order. democrat bob casey and republican dave mccormick. >> our moderators this our moderators for this evening, univision anchor ilya garcia and abc anchor matt o'donnell. quick screaming and welcomed to this debate for -- >> good evening and welcome to this debate for pennsylvania senator. >> pennsylvania is one of 34 senate seats that will be divided in this november election. this race is one of a handful in the country which could ultimately determine the balance of power in the chamber. over the next hour, the candidates will be answering

questions posed by myself, matt, and our co-moderator, ilya garcia. matt: great to be with both of you. each candidate will get a a question and one minute to answer followed by time for rebuttal. let's begin with the economy. senator casey, you claim corporations caused inflation by engaging in reflation and shrinkflation. prices are higher than ever, when you go to buy gas, but in a bid for townhouse, go to buy groceries. what other factors may have been involved in causing inflation? >> thank you, and i want to thank all of those here at 6 abc for hosting the debate peered across the country, prices have been the way up. the cost of food, the cost of

household items has skyrocketed. corporations in the two years from the middle of 2020 two the middle of 2022, corporate profits are going up 75%, five times the rate of inflation. of inflation. corporations were engaged in corporations were engaged in price gouging, taking advantage of the pandemic and inflationary pressures, and i think we should do something about it. we should pointed out, like i have. second, we should pass price gouging legislation to hold companies accountable, and third, we should rollback those big corporate tax breaks they got a couple years ago. the difference in this race is i want to go after price gouging. my opponent will not do it. he does not think we should do anything about price gouging. he excuses big corporations ripping off families. i think we should hold them accountable. matt: you believe excessive spending under the biden administration is the main driver of inflation. the trump administration set a

record in 2024 having the largest budget deficit in american history at $3.132 trillion. how much responsibility as former president trump have when it comes to these higher prices? mr. mccormick: thank you for moderating the debate tonight and thank you to 6 abc. senator casey, joe biden, kamala harris said that all this $5 trillion of new spending would not drive inflation. larry summers, a democratic congressman that served as obama's treasury secretary said, no, no, he said $5 trillion of new money is going to drive up prices. that, plus a war on fossil fuels has driven up fuel prices. groceries are up 22%, electricity 35%, fuel 50% under the biden-harris-casey plan. i'm not saying that there's not some companies that could potentially be price gouging. the problem is this is caused by bad policy, and senator casey

has been a 99% vote for all these excessive spending policies. the one thing we learned in the army day one is you have to take responsibility for your actions. his boats were obviously going to try this inflation problem. it is killing working families and we need to change. matt: you talk a lot about price gouging. what about other causes, senator casey? senator casey: there's no question that when you have these kind of skyrocketing prices -- again, corporate profits up 71%, there are a number of causes, but the federal reserve told us corporate profits caused 41% of all the inflation in america. i think we should do something about that, hold them accountable. we should also have families provided middle-class tax cuts, not a corporate -- not a tax cut for corporations and billionaires, and we should provide a tax credit to offset the cost incurred. matt: you know there is a lot of lag time when it comes to the

economy. the culpability of the trump administration in those huge deficits? mr. mccormick: the difference is the biden-harris administration think the government is spending your money better than you are. what senator casey wants to do when he says he wants to get rid of the trunk tax cuts, he wants to raise taxes on working families. on top of that, he talks about lifting the salt tax gap, which gives tax breaks to rich people in california and rich people in new york, so that kind of policies they are advocating, which will take our country over the cliff. matt: do you want to rebuttal? senator casey: the difference between us in this race is he wants to double down on that huge corporate tax break from 2017. he wants to give billionaires another big tax cut. that tax cut for the most powerful companies in the world

will add up to more than $4 trillion. it will explode the debt. it makes no sense to do that. mr. mccormick: $5 trillion of new spending under biden-harris, casey, $2 trillion in new spending under kamala harris, but you know what else they want to do? they want to have venezuelan-like price controls. they are saying the government should decide. this is socialism. this has been tried in america, in venezuela, around the world. socialist price controls don't work. they will destroy our economy. matt: thank you. >> the next question is on reproductive rights. you called the overturning of roe v. wade a huge victory for the protection of life. you have also stated that decisions on abortion should be left to the states, allowing each to set its own laws. a woman is a woman no matter where she lives, so what is your

reasoning for supporting a system where a woman's access to abortion is dependent on her state of residence? mr. mccormick: this is obviously a very polarizing issue. i'm a father of six daughters, and i believe it is so polarizing that courts should not decide, judges should not decide, people should decide, and it's very polarizing across states. i support the three exceptions for rape, incest, and life of the mother, and i would not support any national legislation of any national ban, and senator casey has voted for legislation that allows abortion up to the end of the third trimester and federal funding for it. i think that the people should decide this. it's a very tough issue. we should talk about other aspects of reproductive rights. i also think the government should get very involved in helping families have children

with fertility treatments and ivf. as a ceo i gave every employee ivf treatment in the company reimburse them 100%. i think the government should give a $15,000 tax credit for ivf. we need to talk more expensively about reproductive rights, and i think the people, respectfully, need to decide. a woman in ohio sharrie: a follow-up to that, and woman in ohio, is she any different to a woman in pennsylvania cap mr. mccormick: when you say states, i think you mean people. people elect their officials. i do think that the people should decide, and that is what has happened in pennsylvania. i think pennsylvania has a law that people believe in and support, and i support that as well. thank you. sharrie: senator casey, you have described yourself as a pro-life democrat for many years.

more recently, you have taken a stronger stance, particularly after the dobbs decision. can you explain what prompted the shift in your stance? in 2022 overturned a 49 year senator casey: in 2022, the supreme court overturned a 40-you're right, and we had to make a decision -- do you want those rights restored or not? van abortion -- ban abortion or not van abortion. rights through the women's health protection act. when the decision was handed down by the supreme court, mr. mccormick said the decision made him, quote, very happy. his views and his position was in furtherance of what he said.

he doesn't support restoring row, doesn't support the vehicle to do that, which is the women's health protection act, and it is a big difference in this race. the other thing i would add is that he doesn't support the ivf bill before the senate or the bill to make sure we have the opportunity to have it, have birth control is a right. mr. mccormick: you will hear career politicians talk tonight and this is a perfect example. there is no senate -- senator who has flip-flopped more on the issue than senator casey. senator casey previously said he wanted to overturn roe v. wade and said there should be one exception, the life of the mother. he was one of the most pro-life senators in the senate and has flip-flopped his position. i don't know how someone flip-flops on this. there is no one who has less credibility on the issue than senator casey and he is going

where the wind blows. so many issues where his party shifted left, he shifted with them. moderator: senator, would you like a rebuttal? sen. casey: i think most americans believe our daughters should not have fewer rights than their mothers or grandmothers. we are at a point where the country has to make a choice in terms of the senate race, and control of the senate and that will largely determine whether those rights are restored or not. i have voted twice to restore those rights. my opponent won't support that. moderator: we have to turn to immigration. the first question will be for you, senator casey. immigration reform was enacted almost four decades ago. as a journalist who serves the hispanic community i hear the community's frustrations regarding immigration reform.

some feel the issue is a political football that is only given attention during election time to court the latino vote. what steps or legislative measures would you take to ensure congress gets closer to passing an immigration reform bill? this time? sen. casey: the first thing that i hope we can do before a new congress, and new president, we should pass the bipartisan border security bill before the senate right now. i think it is possible in a new year with a new congress, we can get republicans to work with us on this because most of them agreed to support it or a lot of them did, at least. i voted for the bill twice. i say that because border security is critically important. we have to secure our border and that means hiring more border patrol, investing in the technology that will stop fentanyl at the border, giving the president new authority to shut down the border and reduce

people coming across the border, fixing our asylum system. if we do that, it will help us secure the border and give credibility back to get to other reforms. my opponent opposes that bill for one reason. the leader of his party told him he couldn't support it for political reasons. he should stand up as a social leader of his party and support this bill. moderator: mr. mccormick, we have seen an alarming rise of demonizing migrants. immigration policy proposals fall in congress. political leaders worry increasingly inflammatory and racist rhetoric about immigrants is fueling a surge in the already record-breaking number of hate crimes against latinos. if you are elected what would you do specifically to protect immigrant families? mr. mccormick: i am married to an emigrant so i'm very pro

legal immigrants. we are a country of laws and under biden, harris and casey, this is a career politician epiphany from punxsutawney bob who comes up six months before every election. there was nothing done on the border. it was a disaster. 10 million illegal immigrants, people in the terrorist watch list, the fentanyl crisis has grown. this sheriff lost a son to the wide open borders that resulted under the weakness and failure of casey, biden and harris. the fentanyl crisis is going crazy. we need to secure the border. senator casey did a commercial standing in front of the very wall that he derided and said we didn't need when president trump came into office. that is a career politician in action. we need to secure the border, go after the cartels with military,

treat them as the threat they are and embrace the fact that we are a country of immigrants. we can't tolerate hate but we can't tolerate an open border that is damaging the security of america. moderator: let's move on. you would like a rebuttal? sen. casey: we didn't hear any response to your question about the language some have used. the worst thing we can do is have politicians spend time demonizing immigrants. we need to solve the problem. the beginning of solving the problem is passing the bipartisan bill. the difference in this race is not just that i voted twice for this bill and he is opposed to it. the reason is because the leader of his party. the candidate, when he was a hedge fund ceo, invested millions of dollars in the largest producer of fentanyl in china. chinese fentanyl is coming to our country. mr. mccormick: we have an open border. he doesn't address that. the border bill proposed was an

amnesty bill. it did not secure the border. he voted for sanctuary citizen -- cities. they have failed to secure the border. in terms of hate crimes, if the senator is worried about hatred he should not endorse summer league who, that is anti-semitism. he is saying he is a moral voice. he hasn't had the courage to stand up against his own party and an avowed anti-semite. sen. casey: 20 seconds. i go back to your question. what do we do about border security and immigration? the bill i voted for twice, bipartisan bill, the strongest border bill in 25 years is endorsed by the border patrol union which endorsed president trump. they are not a democratic organization. they support the bill, he doesn't. mr. mccormick: if you look at

the border bill, which i have done, i made up my mind unlike senator casey who is a 99 percent vote. this bill is the most liberal border bill in the world of any industrialized country that would allow up to 5000 applications per day. this is millions of people coming into the economy. it is subverting what is intended by asylum and risk our security. moderator: we would like to talk about bipartisanship and civility in politics. mr. mccormick, you seek to become a member of the freshman class in washington. to many voters newer members seem interested in gaining new social media followers and cable tv appearances and less interested in passing bills and speaking to es on others. as a new senator, how will you be different? mr. mccormick: the america i know, as a platoon leader in the airborne division, i had a young man from rural alabama, an african-american man, a platoon

sergeant from puerto rico. i never remember talking about religion or politics or party. we were americans. in search of protecting one another and protecting our country. that is my spirit, that is how i come into this. i'm a problem solver. i'm a conservative. if you go to my website, more than any other candidate, you will see what i'm for and what i believe in. as a ceo and a leader, you have to find ways to compromise to get things done. i will get things done. senator casey in 18 years, 30 years in elected office, doesn't have a record he can run on which is why he devoted himself to attacking me. if you want to talk about civility, we need to get a new senator in pennsylvania who can work across the aisle and get things done. senator casey has not proven to be a senator like that. moderator: americans are fed up with instability and lack of

bipartisanship in washington. what have you done to take the temperature down and work with republicans? sen. casey: to get something done in the senate you have to work in a bipartisan way and that is what i have done. in the period of the last congress, 21 and 22, i wrote and passed more bills than almost anybody else in the senate. part of that stretch is not just through this recent time period but going back further. women on college campuses are safer today from sexual assault because of my bill i passed. children with a disability, families are permitted to save for the disability and a tax-advantaged way like they save for college because of my legislation. because of my work we invested in infrastructure in pennsylvania like we have never done before. rural areas, rural counties, republican counties like fulton county and bedford county, among the most republican in the

state, have investments in their schools, 17 or $18 million in those two counties, in high-speed internet so kids can learn more, and earn more. moderator: when you get a chance, a rebuttal. mr. mccormick: senator casey said, anytime you have two politicians the boat 99% of the time the same way you need to get rid of one of them. he votes 98 .6% of the time with biden-harris. he is not an independent voice. he has voted in lockstep with his liberal party to defund the police, not secure the border, to support biological men competing in women's sports. this is a guy who has gone off track with the values. these are not pennsylvania values and they have hurt our commonwealth. sen. casey: the work i did on the infrastructure bill is helping one of our -- every one of our counties. that bill was bipartisan.

he wants to repeal it. when i was a deciding vote to make sure we had a cap on insulin and out-of-pocket drug costs for seniors, 800 29,000 pennsylvanians will benefit. he wants to repeal the bill that capped insulin and out-of-pocket costs. who is more bipartisan? if he talks about his record versus mine, his record is a hedge fund ceo investing in china and our adversaries. minding his is bipartisan work in the senate. -- mine is bipartisan work in the senate. moderator: how would you work with each other? mr. mccormick: we have to find common ground. right now i don't see much. i think bob casey went to the senate to change washington and washington changed bob casey. he is out of step with the values and views of pennsylvanians. he voted for a series of things that made our commonwealth worse . i think he needs to be replaced

and that's why i'm running, because i think career politicians like bob casey are hurting our country. sen. casey: there are many things we can work together on. it should start with the bipartisan border deal, supported by the border patrol union. i don't know why he won't support it. he knows we can advance the ball based on the expertise of the border patrol. while i was doing the bipartisan work in pennsylvania he was investing in our adversaries. investing in china and russia. moderator: going to the rising tensions in the middle east. senator casey, the middle east is on edge for a potential escalation in the region with israel promising a retaliatory attack on iran and iran morning the u.s. saying it will retaliate. researchers estimate the u.s. has provided nearly $18 billion to israel since the attack on october 7.

how do you believe the u.s. can continue to support israel's right to self-defense while addressing the humanitarian needs of palestinian civilians and other civilians as the conflict spreads? sen. casey: we have to start with october 7, 2023 when a terrorist organization invaded israel, murdered 1200 innocent israelis and in addition to murdering all of those israelis, raped women and took hostages. that threat to the people of israel has to be defeated. it has been badly undermined so far but it is still a threat. hezbollah and iran are a threat to israel. houthis, extremist organizations, we need to support israel's efforts not just to defend itself but take the fight to the terrible breasts threatening them every day. i will continue to support israel as i always have but a difference in the race is, while

i was supporting israel all of these years, my opponent was running a hedge fund, the largest hedge fund in the world. i've mentioned investments in china and russia. he invested in a chinese arms manufacturer with ties to iran and the weapons they produced made their way to hamas. that is disqualifying. moderator: addressing the humanitarian needs of the palestinian civilians and other civilians. sen. casey: you are right, i should have added that. we should have robust support for food for people in gaza, medicine, and medical supplies. our government and the israelis have done it. we need to do more and subdue the israelis and countries in the region. i want to have arab countries stand up and help the people of gaza instead of pointing the finger at the united states and israel. moderator: same topic. you said the u.s. needs to show strength and provide israel with what it needs to finish the job.

president biden has warned israel not to strike iran's oil fields as it could lead to further unrest. do you believe israel needs to show restraint in its retaliation on iran and how do you address tens of thousands of civilians who are caught in the crossfire? mr. mccormick: senator casey has lied about my record. i want to say i'm not going to take any preaching. as a guy who went to west point, went to ranger school, went to the 82nd, went into iraq in the first wave, i will not take any preaching from a guy who spent 30 years in public office and hasn't gotten much done. i will not take preaching from you on that. and your allies, which are unworthy of you and your family and your service. so what is happening in the middle east comes from weakness.

we are being tested by our adversaries. president biden should support israel completely. israel in the fight of its life, attacked by hezbollah and hamas and iran. the original sin is the iran deal where senator casey was the deciding vote in 2015. it gave them $100 billion which they used to underwrite terrorist proxies. that is the root cause of the problem and that needs to be addressed. we needs to strangle iran and its ability to support terrorists. moderator: in regards to israel showing restraint, should it show restraint in its response to iran especially in light of the thousands of civilians who have also been caught in the crossfire? mr. mccormick: israel is in the best position to manage and make trade-offs. america should not preach to israel. i went to israel with my wife after october 7. we should -- we saw the care they are taking to reduce civilian casualties. if you want to blame people for

civilian deaths, blame hamas and hezbollah who have located missiles around civilian populations. there are not two sides to this story. there is a people that needs to be eradicated and it does threatening israel. we need to fight anti-semitism at home. this is a two front battle and we need strength and clarity. moderator: senator casey, your rebuttal. sen. casey: i agree with part of the end of the answer. this should be israel's determination about its security and went israel has to do to defend itself. but mr. mccormick said i was preaching, he is preaching at me. he mentioned his commendable service to people of our country but this is not a race about his service or what we were doing. it is about my work in the senate and his work as a hedge fund ceo and he doesn't like that i talk about his record. when i talked about those dollars going from a chinese

weapons manufacturer through the iranians into hamas, that is part of his record. i'm not preaching, i'm stating a fact. mr. mccormick: it is great to talk about records. i ran a great firm that invested around the world as many firms do. it had exposure to china. the investments were approved by the government. a career politician bob casey, approving using bridgewater, the firm i worked with and four, before i got there, all of these investments happening were happening under bob casey as treasurer. he invested 31 dirt -- trillion dollars and he takes lobbying money from firms selling drones to the chinese military. he does not have credibility on china. moderator: your rebuttal. sen. casey: he said in 2023 that the divisions -- the decisions made as ceo he has

responsibility for. he doesn't want to take responsibility for the decisions he made as a ceo to invest in china. to invest in the rise of china, after we knew china was causing job loss. he helped vladimir putin before he invaded ukraine. if he talks about anti-semitism i have the leading bill in the senate to combat sen. casey: number two is he is the one who invested in not hedge fund money but his own personal money, millions of his own personal money and a website that platforms hate, holocaust denial, and anti-semitism. moderator: that is his money. moderator:rebuttal. -- that is his money. moderator: rebuttal. mr. mccormick: he and chuck schumer don't want to alienate the radical people in their party who truly are

anti-semitic. and a valid anti-semite, bob casey just said that what her statement was was not a good statement but he actually stands by his endorsement so this is the world we are in where you say one thing as a career politician and that is the problem with bob casey and why we need to get rid of him. >> we are going to take a breath and now we have to plow through. we have more topics for you. we are going to turn to you for this one, mr. mccormick. pennsylvania, as you know, has the third most people arrested for the january 6 insurrection. many of them remain convinced that 20/20 election was stolen even though a whole host of judges and republicans say it was not. if you could, what would you tell those pennsylvanians who remain jailed for january 6 charges? >> i thought president biden won the 2020 election and those who -- many hundreds of thousands of people were peaceful protesters on january 6 but those who

conducted violence in our i think should be held accountable. to the stress just like those people destroying storefronts and public property and violence on the streets of minneapolis should be prosecuted. i think that is what should happen and our judicial system should allow for that. in terms of election integrity, we got a real problem in our country in that senator casey and the democrats in general don't support the most basic fundamental thing which is voter id and that is something i fight for day one in the senate. you need to have an id to get on the airplane, you need to have one to cash a check. democrats think you don't need voter id and that would be the one way to give everybody confidence that our elections have high integrity. moderator: let me direct that questions you. given mr. mccormick's position -- it is very small in elections. plenty of voters remain concerned about election integrity.

why shouldn't people be expected to prove they are who they are when they vote? >> nothing wrong with that. a lot of those are determined state by state and that is what the general assembly will be. what he left out of his answer are some of the people he hired. he has hired fake collectors in his campaign. he hired for collectors to run a packed and he has been hanging around with insurrectionists. he has never condemned those who brought about that awful insult to the constitution and to our country on january 6 because he doesn't want to take them on and offend them. we want to make sure that never happens again. one of the ways we can do that is don't spread lies and conspiracies about the election. tell the truth about what happened and don't intimidate these county election workers. for the first time in american history, county election workers

-- these people who give their lives to count votes and do it with integrity and they had death threats and they are under constant threat because conspiracy theories that he won't condemn. mr. mccormick: my views on this have been clear from 2020 on and i have been a strong voice on moral clarity for all of these issues. today was a great day in the sense that the washington post wrote an article about an ad senator casey has run saying that i said i wanted to eliminate -- reduce social security and medicare benefits. 100% fabrication. bob casey in his own words looks to the camera and says a complete and utter live. if you want to talk about honesty and truthfulness, you have a lot of work to do. moderator: i'm sure you would like to respond, senator casey. sen. casey: do i have 20 seconds? moderator: 30.

sen. casey: the campaign that we are in today started with this candidate, mr. mccormick, starting the race, lying to the people of pennsylvania about where he lives. how do you live about where you live when you are running for an office where you seek to represent the people of our state? he said he was living in pennsylvania. he wasn't. he was living in connecticut. the associated press wrote about it. he lied to the people about that and about how he grew up. he said he was a farmer and he grew up on a farm. if this is a question about who has been telling lies -- how do you lie to people about where you live? mr. mccormick: duty on our country is how i have conducted my life. senator casey's lies are abundantly clear on the website. they are fact-checks. he is running the dirtiest, most inaccurate campaign in modern

history in pennsylvania. he doesn't have a track record to run on. >> we will go back to his allegation about medicaid. he is trying to deny that he was part of an administration, the bush administration, that tried to foist upon the country private accounts, investing precious social security resources in the stock market and having big wall street firms manage that money and make a lot of money off of it. privatization. he was for it. moderator: our next topic is border security. let's get a direct question. you are on record supporting the bipartisan border security bill which called for more hiring of border patrol agents and also empowered administrations to be able to close the border. with persistent issues like drug trafficking including the fentanyl and record number of migrants seeking asylum, what

has taken democrats so long to prioritize this issue? >> i have been working on this issue for years. i started writing on legislation to direct more dollars to the detection of fentanyl years ago and i voted 25 times to secure the border including twice by voting for that bill this year. the bill i support is supported by the border patrol union and it would allow us to hire thousands more border patrol and change the asylum roles, making them more for seeking asylum a lot higher. a lot fewer people across the board because of that and that is why republicans and democrats support it. it was on its way to passage until the republican party said, don't pass it because it will help the other side politically. kind of like a lapdog mapping the shoes of the republican nominee. we should pass that bill because it will restore confidence in the american people that we can detect fentanyl at the border

mostly coming in through vehicles crossing our border and it would also help us with more border patrol and a much tougher approach to the border. >> mr. mccormick, senate republicans backed out of that bipartisan border security bill earlier this year. with republicans often emphasizing the need for a stronger response at the border, how do you explain to voters the resistance to advancing legislation that addresses the very issue? >> it was bad legislation. there was good legislation in the house that would have strengthened our border. i have been to the border twice in the last couple of years. i have been there more times than senator casey on the borders are and when you get there, you see that the wall stops. people walking across in the middle of the night in my particular night i was there at 2:00 in the morning, five military age men from syria and five chinese nationals. this has become a national security crisis of epic

proportion. we sell recently with a memo leaked from eyes that 25,000 convicted murderers and rapists were knowingly allowed in the country. this is not speculation. this was in an official document from the department of homeland security and this happened under his watch. the bill they propose to did not address that. it would have sanctioned two million illegal immigrants coming to our country for asylum and we have a major problem. we need to go after these cartels and treat them as the threat they are, use our military selectively. senator casey has done that and has been working on it for years for how effective has network been? we have a crisis that is destroying our country. moderator: i will allow your rebuttal first. sen. casey: the original part of the question was about when these changes went into effect by the administration and you make a good point. they should have done this a long time ago, no question about that, but my point on this is that we are seeing the results when the administration acted

with the limited authority they have, they are reducing border crossings by about 50%. they are way down. that is proof positive, a testament to why this bill is so important. the authority in this bill is authority that president trump asked for and did not get and the authority president biden asked for and did not get. we should give the president for the authority to shut down the border when crossings get to high, to change the asylum roles, to have more money for more investment at screening those vehicles coming across packed with fentanyl and also make sure that we support the border patrol union that is asking for these resources and he won't support the bill. >> listen, we had a secure border under president trump. president biden had it in his power. it is interesting, senator casey is talking about how i support president trump. senator casey is a 99% vote with joe biden so they have the power from day one to secure the

border. it was secure under president trump. they have just taken the actions now that they should have taken and it is a national crisis undermining our security and community. this was weakness. this was a liberal economic agenda that is destroying our country. >> you have 20 seconds. >> looked, when i was voting year after year on investments in the border and strategies that we know work, this guy was running the largest hedge fund in the world. he increased investments in china by 108,000 percent. after everyone knew in the world that china was cheating and manipulating currency, undermining american workers, he did that and also invested millions of dollars in the chinese fentanyl company. >> 116,000 people died last year from fentanyl on your watch, right? on your watch. that's two vietnam's. eight years of war in vietnam, 58,000 so the failure -- the fact that you and biden-harris are not standing up and taking

accountability is a true disgrace and the fact that you are finally taking action does not make the past any more palatable. >> we are going to move on to our next topic. >> we turn to puerto rico and i will ask the same question of each of you, starting with mr. mccormick. pennsylvania has the third-largest puerto rican population on the side of the island. residents have been beneficial u.s. citizens for over a century. like every other working american, they have the obligation to pay federal taxes but they don't have any votes in congress or the right to vote for president. they will hold a referendum for statehood, one of the options they will vote on. do you believe the alan should decide its future and would you vote to admit puerto rico as the 51st state should its people vote in favor of unions? >> i would not vote in favor of it being the 51st state and

listen, if senator casey is reelected and kamala harris winds the presidency and they eliminate the filibuster which is what senator casey says he wants to do, he will have two places that get statehood, puerto rico as well as washington, d.c. and additional members of justice is brought on the supreme court and a new green deal beyond anything that was ever imagined so this is tied to the filibuster which in my opinion is something meant as a check and balance regardless of whatever party is in power. it's going to change the balance of power forever if the democrats win both the presidency and the majority in the senate and i think that would be absolutely inconsistent with america's best interest regardless of what party is in the majority. sen. casey: is the people of puerto rico make that determination, we should be open to admitting them. my opponent of course wanted to talk about the so-called

filibuster rule in the senate. let's talk about that. that is the reason that ruled existing, requiring 60 votes for substantive matters, is the reason we have not passed a background check bill for common sense gun measures to reduce the likelihood of gun violence. the number one killer of children and teenagers. we are the only country in the world that has this problem. it is a uniquely american problem. if we change that will, it is not a statute or law, not in the constitution. if we change that will, we can pass a background check bill. we could pass the women's health protection act which would restore the protections of roe v. wade. if we change that rule, we could pass voting rights legislation that has broad support across the country. we could do so much to move the country forward but he wants to hide behind that rule to block progress on substantive matters the american people want to take action on. >> we have seen what happens under a senate majority and

biden-harris in the white house. we know kamala harris is far more radical in her own words and even joe biden. we know senator casey is a sure vote. 99% vote with biden and harris and so, yes, i believe that filibuster is a way to check the majority on either side going to extremes. that was what the senate was designed for and if senator casey really thinks that the problem for him not get anything done is the filibuster, i think there's lots to get a lot done. senator casey is not one of them, unfortunately. >> a lot of progress is being blocked because that rule has been a weapon to prevent progress on issues where there is overwhelming support. 90% of the american people want us to pass a background check bill. gun owners, republicans, everyone wants to pass it. it will not pass because the gun

lobby has a stranglehold on a lot of members of congress and also on my opponent. he will not support any of those common sense measures, some which i think we could pass with 51 votes p at he will not do that because he will not stand up to the gun lobby. >> thank you, senator. >> next topic, climate change and the environment. several studies by physicians and, yell university, and the university of pittsburgh found people living near fracking sites have higher incidences of nosebleeds all the way to cancer. how is your position impacting those who believe the industry is putting their lives at risk? >> first of all, i think when you consider what hours they's resources are, the advantages we have in pennsylvania, that is the reason i support and all of the above energy strategy and that includes natural gas extraction but here is what i think the difference is between my position on allowing gas extraction, making sure we have other options like nuclear or

renewable sources of energy, clean energy, we still use coal in some parts of our state for our energy base. the difference between my position and some other people's position is i support tough regulation and that is done mostly at the state level. it is mostly times on who is the government and governor shapiro will do that kind of oversight to make sure that we can extract natural gas but do it in compliance with our state constitutional obligation to ensure clean air and water and i think that is the difference. my opponent has talked a lot about energy but while he was a hedge fund ceo running the biggest hedge fund in the world, he was investing in chinese oil companies and managing money. >> same topic, different avenue. they served as a warning that the earth's climate is not well. the storm made landfall in florida last month and did more damage to remote mountainous communities in north carolina. the people in fort washington, montgomery county, are still recovering from hurricane ida

which made landfall in 2021. to those local people who are still cleaning up from a storm that happened three years ago, what should they know about your views on climate change? what of the many dump policies, our energy policy is probably the worst because we have restricted our natural gas ability to export, drill, and have pipelines for natural gas with epa mandates and all these huge subsidies to china from lithium batteries and solar panels so we have depressed our natural gas in pennsylvania when it is the key to economic growth, the key to national security, and the key to climate change. that natural gas exported around the world is how we are going to reduce global climate change by the paris accords which puts constraints on us. that is why it -- emissions in the united states are down 15% over the last 10 years so we are making huge progress on this and that is what we need to continue to do, export natural gas,

develop natural gas. i am for all of the above but i'm not for these huge subsidies for solar and wind and electric vehicles that are driving up our dependence on china and driving up the cost of energy for everyday working families. >> you may rebut. sen. casey: what he is making reference to his legislation that allows us through tax credit to invest in a clean energy economy and that is creating lots of jobs all across thousands of jobs already in pennsylvania. many more jobs in red states than blue states, by the way. a homely part of our economy opening up, huge private sector investment because of those tax credits be it he doesn't support that. i do. here is the difference paid while i was working on that legislation, he was running that hedge fund. managing money for saudi oil companies. mr. mccormick: he is antibusiness, anti-success. my career is something i am extremely proud of. go to my website to see the

truth. what they did was more than tax credits. they gave huge subsidies to electric vehicles. they had epa mandates which are hurting manufacturing jobs, not helping, and the jobs that are created are not offsetting and they are hurting working families. everybody got a 20% tax increase. it is called inflation, reaching into your back pocket and stealing your money and that hurts working families the most. that is a result of his terrible policy. moderator: time is winding down. for this next question, we will only have a one minute response so each of you, there will be no rebuttal. this is just for you to speak to the voters on this question, please. we talk about public safety and guns in this country. mr. mccormick, i will start with you. we are the only nation where firearms outnumber people. suicides make up the majority of gun deaths, and gun homicides are down significantly compared to a year ago.

mass shootings happen daily across the country and many pennsylvanians say they do not feel safe at the bus stop, at the grocery store, the synagogues, their mosque, or at school. a survey found 59% of pennsylvanians agree there needs to be more restrictions on gun access. do you agree with the majority of pennsylvanians that restrictions are needed and what will you do to address this concern? mr. mccormick: unfortunately, the violence that we see -- it had four straight years of 400 murders or more but then violence is for the most part perpetrated by those holding illegal guns. the inventory -- if you stopped all gun sales tomorrow, it would not have much of an effect on violent crime or murders that happen as a result of that. we certainly need to do a lot more so the things -- the intersection of guns and mental health. we need to have appropriate risk protections where people with mental health don't have access to guns. we need to make sure we do that with due process.

we need to make sure we have security in our schools, in our synagogues. unfortunately, it requires that we do that. i am in favor of the policy that president trump put in place of eliminating bump stocks but the problem you are trying to solve will not be solved by restricting legal gun ownership. moderator: lastly, rifles like ak-47s and ar-15's were made legal for purchase across this country. is it time for renewed federal action? >> semi-automatic rifle's, i am in favor of those not being restricted, the same rules we have now. they are used for sporting, for protection. the second amendment right is a real amendment. it is a real right that the constitution gives gun owners and we need to protect it. moderator: you changed your position from being pro-gun to wanting restrictions on gun fields and increased regulations after the deadly shootings at sandy hook. 12 years later, schools still

are grappling with this issue and three weeks ago, a school district in delaware county approved a weapon detection system at its middle schools. what have you done since sandy hook to impact real change on this issue? one minute. >> there is no question that we can take action with regard to commonsense gun measures. as i said earlier, the gun lobby has a stranglehold on one party and that meant that -- it has meant for more than a decade that we can pass a background check bill and a ban on these military style assault weapons. these commonsense measures will have no impact on second amendment rights and no impact on law-abiding gun owners who need a gun for self protection or want a gun to hunt so we can do both and that old false choice of protecting people or having common sense gun measures does not, i don't think, hold much water, but the problem in this race is i am willing to do that and i am supportive and

voted for the bipartisan gun legislation which has brought down gun deaths and has helped. my opponent will not supported because the gun lobby will not let him and he does not have the political courage to stand up to the gun lobby to support those commonsense measures. moderator: thank you, senator. i believe you addressed assault weapons in your answer. moderator: closing statements. we start with senator casey. sen. casey: thank you for this opportunity. i want to thank the people of pennsylvania for this opportunity to talk about this race and every day i have been a united states senator, i worked on behalf of the people of our state, fighting for working families and for our children every day, fighting for seniors, for people with this abilities, for veterans, trying to work every day to advance their needs and interests and i also passed legislation to help families save for a disability just like for college. a young child can be the subject of an beneficiary of a savings account and i also passed

legislation to make sure that women on college campuses are better protected from sexual assault. that is happening all across the country. they have better protections today because of my legislation. i voted for the infrastructure law that invested in every single one of our 67 counties paid i have invested in legislation to bring high-speed internet to rural areas, small towns, and big cities in suburban communities paid i will continue to do that. my opponent, while i was working on all of that, was running the largest hedge fund in the world that invested in china, chinese oil companies, chinese sentinel company that produced -- fentan yl company. and arms company with ties to iran and the weapons made their way to hamas. he is -- he has been a candidate who started this race lying about where he lives. you have the choice to make in this race between whether you will vote for a senator who is going to support your rights,

restore those rights, or a senator who will not. >> mr. mccormick. quite when i went to west point at the age of 17, i took an oath of duty, honor, country. america was recovering from a decade of decline, skyrocketing inflation, our adversaries thought we were weak. ronald reagan turned it around and he got our country back on track. i was proud to serve him as commander in chief. i retired from the army as a captain. i never stopped serving my country. i am a seventh generation pennsylvanian born and bred. i am a political outsider. that could not be more different than senator casey who was born with a political spoon in his mouth. he doesn't understand the devastating effect of prices on families. he is a status quo candidate. he is a week 30 year incumbent. washington changed bob casey. he is for amnesty, open borders, sanctuary cities pa he voted for every spending bill that created

this enormous uptick in inflation and he wants to raise taxes on pennsylvanians and lower taxes for rich people in california and new york. he has actually supported males competing in women's sports. face it, bob, you are a liberal. bob casey has been given the opportunity and he has failed us. we need leadership that is going to shake things up, to fight for commonsense policies, reduce inflation, secure our borders, keep america safe. we need leadership that will change the direction of our commonwealth and get it back on track. i am honored to be here tonight and i humbly ask for your vote. moderator: thank you, mr. mccormick and senator casey. this brings us to the end of our debate. thank you and the candidates for joining us and taking part in this and good luck to both of you and thank you to our viewers for watching tonight. we have put up on the screen right now it qr code which will take you to the elections page. they are, you will find tonight debate later this evening for your viewing on all of the 2024

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every purchase helps support our nonprofit organization. shop now or anytime at c-spanshop.org. president joe biden in the first lady jill biden hosted an italian american heritage month celebration at the white house. mrs. bite talked about her italian heritage and the impacts the community has had on her family. ♪ >> distinguished guests, the president of the united states and dr. biden accompanied by alexis tom otieno. ♪

alexis: good evening. -- alexa: good evening. my name is alexa and i am truly honored to introduce the first lady tonight. it's a particular privilege for me because she like me is so proud of her italian heritage. [crowd cheering] my pride and my heritage grew tremendously last year when i was fortunate enough to participate in the national italian american foundation's voyage of discovery, a two week trip that allowed me to encounter the land of our common italian ancestors. i learned that there is indeed so much to cherish in the italian heritage. the focus on food, family, faith, and friendship. all of that is evident this evening. and i am grateful to the president and dr biden for bringing that italian spirit here into the white house. [crowd cheering]

dr. biden, you are a role model for young italian americans like me who see a future where what we can achieve is only limited by what we aspire to. italians have always been great dreamers who show the world what's possible. you share in that great tradition of vision and innovation. moreover, like our immigrant forefathers, you've inspired people to value the importance of education. i am a product of your example and as such, it is my great pleasure to introduce you to the leaders of the italian american community this evening. please welcome dr. jill biden. [applause] mrs. biden: thank you, alexa. and i'm excited to see your generation forging new connections to our past and shining such a bright light into our future.

and i'm also grateful to the national italian american foundation. [applause] john robert, you've helped so many people experience our heritage in italy and preserve it here in the united states. so, thank you. and welcome to the white house. when i was a little girl, i learned what it means to be italian american in my grandparents' tiny well worn kitchen. and not only because there were ribbons of pasta, homemade pasta and sauce bubbling over on the stove. no, the most important lesson that i learned in their kitchen was that when you're italian american, there's always room

for one more chair at the table, enough bread, toast to feed one more guest, enough space in our hearts for another friend to become like family. and even when times are hard, -- [laughter] mrs. biden: there's there's always enough time to enjoy the pleasures of life together. my grandparents also taught me to never waste an opportunity to invite more people to the table and make a difference together. so i know i had to bring those values of love, abundance and service to the white house as the first italian american first lady. [applause] that's why i've used this platform to give more women a seat at the table in discussions

about their own health. [applause] to hear from military families about how we can support them to uplift community college students. and i've had the opportunity to bring so many more people inside the historic walls of the white house by creating new educational experiences that allow more americans to immerse themselves in this house, the people's house. by using these rooms to celebrate the young people who are changing our world, by honoring the immigrants who helped build this country. and tonight -- [applause] and tonight, gathering with this community, my community to celebrate our culture. so it's been the honor of my

life to serve as first lady. and during my time here, i've often thought of my great grandparents leaving everything they knew behind to chase the promise of america. and then when they arrived on ellis island to take their first strides into a new life. i don't think that they could ever have imagined that a group of hundreds of italian americans coming together in the white house. when our roots run deep, there's no limit to how high we can reach. so tonight, i hope that you feel the power of our ancestors values, beating inside of us as we carry their legacy forward, that you feel home, you feel at home, eat good food and end up with a little something sweet together as a family.

now, it's my pleasure to introduce a man who's always felt at home with italian americans. [crowd cheering] in fact, joe first met my family at a big cookout at my grandparents' house in hamilton, new jersey. so i was pretty nervous, you know about joe coming to meet my family. but as soon as joe pulled up into the driveway and you can picture this, my tiny grandmom bolted out of the house, bounded down the porch steps in her house coat and her apron. and she gave joe this huge hug as if she'd known him his entire life. and before he could even get a plate, joe was greeted, not as a stranger but as family over the years, i've seen the italian

american community extend the same joyful love and support to joe. you mean so much to him. so please, welcome. your president, my husband, joe. [applause] pres. biden: welcome to the white house. my name is joe biden. i am jill biden's husband. i may be irish, but i'm not stupid. i married dominic jara's granddaughter five years ago. -- granddaughter. five years ago, i want you to know i received the sons of italy man of the year award to the best of my knowledge, i'm the only non italian ever to receive that award.

[applause] it was a large crowd when i received that award. it was down by the train station and i said, i moved from an irish catholic neighborhood in scranton to an italian catholic neighborhood in claremont, delaware. i went from a place where you -- like finnegan and murphy and all that down. if your name didn't end an o or you were real trouble. i was one of the few guys who se name did not end in o. i look out there and look at all my friends, you know, i accepted the word and name it. some of the guys i grew up with next door, sonny durao, whose mom i said joey, it's not sauce. it's gravy. joey. it's gravy. you think i'm kidding. i'm not. no, angelotti di sabatino. puccini birao, channy, cajal, monaco. by the way, after i talked about

it, i looked out at that crowd, i was thinking about it, i deserve this damn award that many italian friends, man. i deserve that award. thank you, alexa, for being here and sharing your pride and your family and your heritage. look, and it's great to see so many friends from the national italian american foundation. you know, the sons and daughters of italy and so many other italian american leaders, organizations from all across the country. you know, i can honestly say i wouldn't be president without you. i wouldn't be president of the italian american community. what she didn't say is we do have something in common. i have a irish catholic background. you guys, a lot of you are catholics, you know. i know you don't admit it as much. this month is about celebrating the extraordinary contributions of a proud, proud heritage of italian americans to urination.

and it is kind of endless. for some of our families, your story is america's story. stretches back generations. for others, it just started. the pursuit of the american dream, just for a shot. just a simple shot. you and your ancestors work hard to help build this country and build the middle class people like my college friend, the late congressman, bill pascrell. there you are. used to kid his dad all the time. i said, you know, bill may be second smallest state in the union, but we own the della river up to the high water mark in new jersey. there was actually a supreme court case about that. well, he represented new jersey and his son represents the house of representatives. bill did it for 27 years. he passed away the summer. he was the grandson of italian immigrants, a giant in the community and a devoted patriot to the nation. you've got good blood, kid, my

dad would say. [applause] he was part of a proud, proud heritage of italian american which are every part of american life, entrepreneurs, educators, scientists, chefs, diplomats, doctors, service members, veterans, athletes, actors, artists, and so much more. there's nothing the italian community is not engaged in and virtually nothing. no community you don't excel in. i also know it wasn't always easy. many of your ancestors face -- faced horrific discrimination. like my ancestors face horrific discrimination. and they first came to our shores. but even in the face of italian americans proved that they had a resilient spirit and a devotion to family and community and unshakeable faith in the promise of a better tomorrow. you know, my dad used to have an expression. he said, joey family is the beginning, the middle and the end. beginning, the middle, and the end. it's a faith that is carried

through to today, both at home and abroad. italian americans are central to our nation's deep friendship and strategic partnership with italy. i've worked out a really good relationship with the italians. i better have done that, at home. but all kidding aside with italy, what a magnificent country. anyway, i won't get started. the bond between our country is found on a shared principle. and shared commitments. including the share and support for the brave people of ukraine to defend themselves against russia's illegal war. [applause] i might add, they have a female leader. [laughter] [applause] i wish sonny to rama was here to hear that. in addition to italy's remarkable stewardship of the presidency of the g7 this year, as well as italy's long standing

contributions to transatlantic security through nato, and their strong leadership of the european union. it underscores how important italy's role is in the global stage, not just for america, but for the world. let me close with this. you know, michelangelo famously said he saw an angel in the marble, and i carved until i set it free. i saw an angel in the marble and i carved until i set it free. to me, that's the essence of what italian americans have done to our country. our entire history. i am being deadly honest. we are all reminded that when jill and i had the honor to host one of the greatest singers of all time, andrea pacelli, here at the white house for christmas, he performed with his son and his daughter. they were a choir of herald angels. incredible. with their god given talent, the bocelli family moved our hearts

and peers star souls. i mean this sincerely. they embodied the spirit and beauty of all that connects us as people. a powerful reminder that america's story depends on, not on any one of us, but on all of us. the story that i see in all of you, working tirelessly to help realize the promise of america. and i mean it, for all americans. not a joke. some of you have the short end of the stick, like my family growing up. this is what the italian american heritage month is all about. it's about celebrating and connecting, feeling, the pride and heritage and community, remembering who the hell we are. we're the united states of america and there's nothing beyond our capacity when we do it together. nothing. [applause] i really mean it. thank you. thank you, thank you, thank you.

and i want to tell you, you know -- one of the most famous guys in my family, not being president. i took her to a beautiful little island off of sicily. and she keeps saying, i'm going back. [laughter] with or without you. [laughter] all kidding aside, thank you. you are an incredible community. [applause] enjoy your day. god bless you all. may god protect our troops. [applause] ♪

announcer: 19 days until the election, we have a full day and night of live campaign coverage. at 715 p.m. eastern, vice president kamala harris holds a rally in green bay, wisconsin, her sixth visit to the state since the start of her presidential campaign. tonight at 9:15 eastern, former president donald trump speaks at the annual alfred e smith memorial foundation dinner, a bipartisan white tie gala that benefits charities of the roman catholic archdiocese of new york. we will have all of these events live on c-span. you can watch on the free c-span now video app, or online at c-span.org. >> cares what she had to say. -- here is what she had to say.

vp harris: today, israel confirmed that the leader of hamas is dead. and justice has been served. and the united states, israel, and the entire world are better off as a result. he was responsible for the killing of thousands of innocent people. including the victims of october 7, and hostages killed in gaza. he had american blood on his hands. today, i can only hope that the families of the victims of hamas feel a sense and measure of relief. sinwar was the mastermind of

october 7, the deadliest day for the jewish people since the holocaust. a terrorist attack that killed 1200 innocent people, and included horrific sexual violence and more than 250 hostages taken into gaza, including seven americans living and deceased, who remain in captivity. a terrorist attack that triggered a devastating war in gaza, a war that has led to unconscionable suffering of many innocent palestinians. and greater instability throughout the middle east. in the past year, american special operations and intelligence personnel have worked closely with their israeli counterparts to locate and track sinwar and other hamas leaders. and i commend their work. and i will say, to any terrorist

who kills americans, threatens the american people, or threatens our troops or our interests, know this, we will always bring you to justice. israel has a right to defend itself, and the threat thomas poses to israel must be eliminated. today, there is clear progress toward that goal. hamas is decimated and its leadership is eliminated. this moment gives up's a opportunity to finally end the war in gaza. and it must end such that israel is secure, the hostages are released, the suffering in gaza ends, and the palestinian people can realize their right to dignity, security, freedom, and self-determination.

and it is time for the day after to begin. without hamas in power. we will not give up on these goals. and i will always worth to create a future of peace, dignity, and security for all. i think you all. -- i thank you all. announcer: regarding the death of hamas leader yahya sinwar, israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu has stated israel has settled its account with sinwar, but war has not yet ended. prime minister netanyahu's comments come in response to the confirmation of sinwar's death, where they found his body in the remains of a building. mr. sinwar who have been in hiding over the past year is believed to be the architect of

the october 7 attack on israel. he apparently oversaw hamas's military operations. regarding the hostages still being held by hamas, prime minister netanyahu said the following quote. "to the deer hostage families, i say this is an important moment in the world. we will continue full force until all of our loved ones are home." announcer: with 19 days until the election, we have a full day and night of live campaign coverage here on c-span. at 7:15 p.m. eastern, vice president, harris holds a rally in green bay, wisconsin, her sixth visit to the state since the start of her presidential campaign. also at 915 eastern, former president donald trump speaks at the alfred e smith memorial foundation dinner, a bipartisan white tie gala that benefits charities of the roman catholic archdiocese of new york. we will have all of these events live on c-span. you can watch on the free c-span now video app, or online at

c-span.org. weeknights this month, we are showing encore presentations of american history tv's 10 part series, congress investigates, exploring the impact and legacy of some of the most significant house and senate investigations. tonight, house committee examination of the deadly 1993 law enforcement seizure of the branch davidian compound. tune in at 10:00 p.m. eastern on c-span, also on c-span now, our free mobile bdo app, and online at c-span.org. host: our first guest of the morning is bill adair, the founder of political fact and also the author of "the epidemic of political line, why republicans do it more, and how is -- our democracy." guest: thanks for having me. host: you start this book with

an instance of when you were on the show years ago. we will show the clip, but set that up for us. guest: in many ways, this frames one important part of the book. i was here in 2012, answering questions about our work on the 2012 election, and a caller called in on the democratic line , ryan from michigan. and brian asked, he said he had read in "the nation" that republican live more and live worse, that they had tallied up fact-checks by "politifact" and by the washington post and he wanted to know what i said about that. host: the me pause you there, we will show and then give your response. [video] >> isn't it true that political fact, your nearest competitor had listed in general statements

of republican vs. democrat that almost seven out of 10 were given to the republicans? democrats light almost as much, but republicans lied more. isn't that true? >> i can honestly say i don't keep score. host: that's what you said in 2012, so fill in the rest of it. guest: i was lying. we did keep score. we didn't keep score by party, but we kept score and still do by individual. so you can easily look through the prominent republicans and compare them to the prominent democrats, and see that brian was right. but i lied, and i lied because i was trying to show that we were impartial. and this is really important in washington journalism, to show that you are not taking sides.

the challenge with fact checking is that it is kind of a rough-and-tumble form of journalism, and you are making calls. that is important, that is what political fact checking is all about. but in doing so, we see this unmistakable pattern that we will talk about in a bit, but i am -- other fact checkers didn't answer that question when i got asked that question, when i gave speeches and other tv appearances because i was trying to show my impartiality that we were truly nonpartisan in what we did, and that is still a core principle of "politifact", that it looks at both parties equally, it looks at each statement individually. but this pattern is unmistakable and now that i no longer work for "politifact", that i'm a faculty member at duke, i can

talk about it freely. and i think as a nation we need to talk about it. because the fact that there are so many lies coming from the republicans, it's really affecting our discourse. host: and that brings us to the book, "beyond the big lie." (202) 748-8001 republicans. (202) 748-8000 for democrats. independents, (202) 748-8002. you can text us at (202) 748-8003. what is the value in lying in politics? guest: that is interesting. what i realized as i started to research the book is that as a journalist i had never asked that question. i had never asked a politician why do you lie? why do politicians lie? it's just one of these things that goes unspoken here in washington. so i did, and i interviewed a bunch of politicians and political operatives and ask

them why they lied. so the value is a calculation. it's like instant math. the politician or the political operative will make the decision we are going to gain more from this lie than we are going to lose. and that is especially easy today with a media environment that shelters people from contrary views, that shelters people from contrary facts. and so it's very easy for politicians to live. so why? ambition is sort of the number one reason that people gave. politicians live because they think it helps them. it helps them with their constituents, it helps them with their party base, it helps them raise money. so that's really the biggest reason. host: >> the consequence of lying these days?

guest: some people say there is no consequence, and that's the problem. i think it used to be, and some people said to me it used to be that politicians would feel ashamed if they were caught in a lie, but what has changed is with gerrymandering and with partisan media, there's less pressure on politicians when they are caught in a lie. it's not like they go home to their districts and the constituents are like, hey, i saw that the washington post said this. i don't think that happens very often and i think politicians are sheltered from being held accountable, and so it's easier than ever to live. the partisan media also becomes an echo chamber for the liar. if you look at some of the lies

that other fact checkers have been following, partisan media just repeats these lies, and they sort of become conventional wisdom even though they are not true. host: when you say partisan media, clarify that. guest: so i would say that cable news channels are on the right. foxx, newsmax, in durham talking to a trump supporter watches newsmax to get his information. they read conservative blogs, they listen to talk radio. on the right, msnbc, they read liberal blogs. they are very distinct news media echo chambers that i think prevent people often from seeing the facts that are contrary to

what they want to believe. and this is more prevalent on the right. we saw in the dominion case when foxx didn't go along with the lies the 2020 election, they lost viewers. and so there is an economic incentive i think to chime in and protect the politicians. host: to what degree do you think there is equity in calling out eliza former president trump would say or vice president harris, if she tells a lie? guest: and that is done every day. when i was editor of political fact, we would try everyday to make sure that we were examining both parties. but there's just no comparison between those two candidates in terms of the volume of lies.

donald trump is unmatched in american history in terms of the volume and repetition of his lies. he will double down on things as he has on the false claim that immigrants in springfield, ohio were eating dogs and cats. and that is a great case study. that claim was thoroughly examined and many media organizations, not just the fact checkers, but other media organizations that went to springfield, talk to people, and yes, it just got repeated and repeated, distilled getting repeated today. host: why republicans do it more and how it can burn down our democracy. dan is in california, go ahead. caller: i just find it a little

bit ironic that you have a book that is targeting republicans which we are a diverse group of people, religions, ethnic lines, where we come from in the world. we are not all americans, native born. and you're just sort of labeling us like that, and in the title of your book is the big lie, and you open with a 2012 clip where you yourself said you lied. i mean, i don't know if you have a nondisclosure or ndaa, but you capitalized on it, you are a capitalist. i get that you're selling a book, i just think it is rich and that is my comment. i don't understand how you can write a book about people that live and" yourself that you lied when asked that exact question. guest: thanks for that comment,

and i think you need to look at the opening scene in the greater context of the book. my point was that i think journalists need to talk about this disparity. now, that's hard for fact checkers in particular, but i do think journalists and really the nation needs to confront this. this is crippling our political discourse, we can have serious conversations about climate, about immigration because there is such a disparity in lying. the whole idea of opening with myself lying was to confess that even i did it, but then to make the point that we need to have this conversation. host: richard is in maryland, democratic line. caller: good morning, gentlemen.

i appreciate the conversation. i just want to ask a couple quick questions. could you comment on the quality of the line that is going on today as opposed to 20 years ago, and also, if you believe that there is a moral universe, the quality and quantity of the line is going forth right now is such a level that it is the wind that is driving the sales of the uss america. and with that, we have to be going to a bad place because as johnnie cochran once said, flyers shall not go unpunished, and our space now, political space is so upfront with flying that it is overwhelming. like with trump the other day, he was saying he save the aca,

obamacare. and it was clearly john mccain everybody knows it. everybody has seen it, yet they proceed to tell those same whoppers. and i just think that if you could make it make sense, make a comment about the quality of the line now. guest: thanks for the question. so i think the biggest difference is the volume, as richard was indicating. if you go back to -- and one thing i do in the book is i have a chapter that is about the history of political lying, i call it the lying hall of fame. the thing about when you go back in time, there just wasn't the sort of repetition of individual allies like there is today. now, equality is a difficult thing to measure, but if you look at president johnson's lies

lead to an escalation of the vietnam war, and lead to of additional decks that were unnecessary. so lies have consequences, they always have. president johnson is in my hall of fame. other lies from the past seem almost quaint today. i have a chapter about a lie told in the 2012 campaign by the romney campaign, and it had to do with a television commercial that the campaign aired that claimed falsely that jeep was moving its production from ohio to china. and looking back, the chapters from each report, because i got into the machinations of the romney campaign decision about that and talk to someone in the campaign didn't want them to do this.

so that lies seems quaint compared to the think that we are dealing with now. to the point that it is overwhelming, it is overwhelming. and that's one of the reasons i wrote the book, to sort of help people realize, ok, this is a serious problem now and we need host: to talk about it. host:former president nixon is on the hall of fame, facebook is on it, and then you have the fox news couch. guest: my idea was to write a history chapter without it looking like a history chapter. i work with my students and other faculty members to decide who and what deserved to be in the lying hall of fame. so it includes president clinton, it includes of course donald trump, richard nixon, but then i included people and

organizations that i think play a big role in establishing different ways that politicians live. so others in the hall of fame include big tobacco for its lies about the safety of smoking, exxon mobil for its long campaign to deny climate change, and the couch on fox and friends, which i say in the book is a launching pad for lies and a place where in a very sly way, i think false claims get said every day. host: bob is in virginia, independent line. caller: yeah, thanks for taking my call. you know, there is a lot of lying that goes on from various politicians, it happens from the democrats, from the republicans. i think even a larger impact on

the population and on the public opinion is the effect of the information that is simply not being told. it is what is not being said that has a huge impact. this is a technique that is used all the time. if you look at the press conferences that are held every day by the white house and the state department, you will hear a lot of standard boilerplate stuff, and most of the very important things, facts are simply not mentioned. and this propels democratic and republican administrations to drive our country into war and to keep the wars going endlessly, just as we have now in ukraine and our support of this horrible campaign in gaza. this is all driven by not giving people all the information and

also by lying as well. this happens from the democrats and republicans. another example is in venezuela, we are being told that the reason why the venezuelan people are suffering so much is because of nicolas maduro, but what is not being told to us is that donald trump put horrendous sanctions on the country of venezuela, which was designed to cause the government to collapse. that was years ago. just one more point, pedro. host: ok. caller: what has joe biden done to change the sanctions? he's done nothing. guest: so to the question about misleading by things not said, i think that is a valid point. and it's not anything that -- i

think journalists would reported, but bob makes a good point that there are not a lot of things that go on said and that creates a misleading impression. i do think that that isn't on the same scale as lying which i think just has really significant consequences. host: how has fact checking as an industry changed because of what you are seeing today when it comes to line? guest: fact checking has grown in the united states in some really positive ways. there are definitely more fact checkers today than there were in 2012 when i was on this program. i don't know the number specifically to the u.s., but there are more. i think the challenge if there are not enough. we did a study at duke where we looked at where fact checkers

are and where news organizations have a staffer or a team dedicated to political fact checking. and we have found there is no political fact checking. so that means in those states, they can talk freely about getting a pass, getting called out by a local television station, and that is really troubling because this is an important point in journalism. it's really important to question what our leaders are saying and assess their accuracy, so i think one of the things we need is more fact checking, even more than we have today. host: arkansas, democrats line, you next up. caller: i think it is simply a

matter of numbers. as nikki haley pointed out, they've lost seven of the last eight election based on the popular vote. they have to change the truth in order to win. one of the most egregious examples i can remember was right here on c-span, senator johnson from wisconsin described the january 6 riot, described as festive. somebody told him he was there and it was festive. but anyway, that is my point. it is a matter of numbers. that's the only way they can win. guest: that's a point that some people made to me that is in the book.

and that is that one reason for the republican party lie is that with a shrinking base, with a base that is older just demographically, the republican party is challenged, so what people said, and these were democrats, that the republican party to response to that and fire rockets based has to resort to lying. and that is a way to motivate supporters, motivate donors, by creating this false impression of many more problems from immigration than in reality and so on with other issues. host: this is a viewer who writes saying who fact-checks the fact checkers? how do we make sure they are not serving the cause of the establishment or what you describe as a two-party system?

probably not the first time you've heard that. guest: i love that line, i think i wanted on a t-shirt. first of all, the fact checkers welcome scrutiny, and in the case of political fact, we were very transparent about showing our work, showing all the sources that we relied on, all the interviews we did, and so if you look at our fact-check, it really shows deep reporting. the truth reflects a tremendous journalist. so you start with that. i do think fact checkers get lots of scrutiny from critics who question things when they believe fact checkers get things wrong. fact checkers do get things wrong every now and then. i think the most common thing at

"politifact"'s i would hear complaints, i think that rating was wrong. we rate on the truth meter and people would say you gave that half true, i think it should have been mostly false. so there is, i think, a healthy industry almost that does hold fact checkers accountable. host: in 2013 use it for president obama told a lie of the year about health care. if you want your health care, you can keep it. did you get a response from that? guest: i was worried they were going to be people with torches and pitchforks outside our office. we, and a lot of complaints about that. "politifact" draws a lot of interest every year for the lie of the year. it is an honor that they get out

in december, usually, and it recognizes the most significant lie of that political year. but inevitably whatever lie is chosen, some people are happy, other people are not. host: the founder of "politifact" and also the author of "beyond the big lie." john is in ohio, republican line. caller: bill, i've got a question for you. if i hear something on the local news and then i repeat it to a friend of mine, and my lying because it turns out what they said wasn't true? i mean, is it my job to check the local news? the reason i put the question to you this way is i live about 30 miles east of springfield, ohio.

and on the local news, i heard the story that haitians in springfield were eating cats and dogs, and this was three or four days before trump ever said it publicly on the national scene. so if he or his team heard it on the local news and then he repeated it, is that necessarily making him a liar? like you stated he was when i first turn this on. that's all it got for you. guest: break question, and that gets to the definition of the word live. fact checkers have wrestled with and i have wrestled with this personally, at what point to something become a lie? it very strict definition is it is a lie when the person saying it knows it is wrong. but i think more recently, that term has evolved to mean a falsehood that is passed along.

so are you a liar for passing information you heard on the news? i don't think any reasonable person would say that. i do think we have an obligation as individuals to check things out before he passed them along. and so you can decide is that source good enough, do you need to look it some other way, but i think one of the problems in our political ecosystem is that too often people pass along things without checking them out. in the case of the dogs and cats, i'm not familiar with the content of those early reports, but i do believe that any politician, not just donald trump has an obligation to check out what they say before they say it. it is not enough to say i saw

this on the news. i think we expect bigger things from our elected officials. host: to what degree do you think consumers are more savvy to lying? guest: i'm concerned that they are not savvy enough. and i think that particularly, and i don't want to broad brush everyone, i think some people don't discern the quality different in different news sources, and one of the things that i would love to see is more media at the schools without just so that younger people come up understanding the difference between different kinds of information sources. of course, one of the challenges this for older people, how to help them become better consumers.

host: a remedy you prescribed to this is some type of that for tax reform, for those politicians starting tax breaks, you want to apply that to lying. guest: you mentioned grover has been very successful in washington. he runs a group called americans for tax reform, and sort of the core focus of his work is the lying pledge, where republicans, and it is overwhelming the republicans, there are only a handful of democrats who signed it, pledge not to raise taxes. in that pledge has really become the culture of the republican party. and grover and this pledge enforced that. so imagine if we were to take that same approach and use it for lying. if someone with the same

leadership and personality that grover has work to start an organization that got politicians to sign a pledge against lying, because the very simple pledge, they wouldn't have to adjudicate. that could be done in campaigns, that could be done by the media, and you can very much see candidates challenging each other. hey, you signed the pledge but you said this thing about me, you are violating the pledge. i think that could go a long way to changing the focus of app politicians think about lying. host: so it would be self policing, so to speak. guest: self policing, but with a robust debate. you know now that anytime people

say things that are questionable, that there is very quickly feedback on social media. hey, so-and-so said this, it was wrong. in-state campaigns we see that. and congressional -- congressional campaigns, we see that. i think that could be the enforcement mechanism, so to speak. host: joyce is in south carolina, independent life, good morning. caller: my question this morning is why so many christians believe that they live. if they believe that jesus christ, the word of god says i am the way, the truth and the light, so if i wasn't a christian, i would never become a christian the way these christians believe that they lie and are behind trump. explain that please.

guest: i don't know that i can. i think supportive politicians who lie goes beyond faith, in many ways. i'm not sure i have a good answer to that. host: you do right in the book that sometimes it makes it easier that way. guest: yes, i think increasingly politicians aim for that base because they find that one, it is easier than ever to reach them through targeted advertising, through their media. it's less important for them to go through the news media to get their message out, so yes, it can be very targeted to the base. host: bill joins us from washington state, republican. caller: hey bill, my name is bill.

i've never called in, and sorry i'm a little bit nervous. i'd like to talk about the stories in the mainstream media that frankly don't get covered. i've been following this story since 2008. warren buffett started buying all the railroads in the business news, all the railroads are losing money, why would you buying railroads? and during that time, he strongly was backing president obama, and suddenly he is starting to build export plants

in washington state and oregon, which are very liberal states, and suddenly he's transported endless amounts of oil and coal through washington and oregon. host: what would you our guests to answer? guest: -- caller: i'd like you to explain why some stories just get dropped and not covered after it's obvious that there is a lot of answers in them. guest: that's a great question, and the answer is simply resources in a shrinking news media. i don't know what part of the state of washington your from but if you look at the media in seattle, the seattle local media

is much smaller today than it was in 2012 when i first was on this program, for 10 years before that when i wrote a book about a plane crash involving a boeing airplane. with fewer journalists, editors have to make decisions about what they cover or don't cover, and so on any given day, any editor will tell you they've got a dozen or more stories that any reporter could do, and they've got to decide what can be done. and so they make the best choice they can, but as a result, some stories go uncovered. host: what impact has social media done to the world of line? guest: social media has been great for lying. social media has been a giant megaphone that has spread lying

so much faster than we ever had before. and i think you go back to we started fact in 2007, that was the year that facebook was just getting going in 2007. and so when we were looking at how people passed on lies, they were using chain emails. so your uncle bob would send an emailed to everyone in his address book that would have false claims about barack obama. that is much less of a problem today because it is so easy and frictionless to spread things over social media. host: so is that also a form of political advertising? when it comes to lying in the lies that are spread through

political advertising. guest: political advertising has gotten, as you would expect, much more sophisticated in a digital age. campaigns can target very narrowly constituencies that they are trying to win over with specific advertising. but the difference is it used to be that fact checkers would watch tv to see the ads. now because so many of them are digital and show up on websites or can be sent on streaming tv, fact checkers don't see them. so it is easier than ever for campaigns and super pac's to get away with false advertising because the fact checkers never see them. host: virginia beach, democrats

line. caller: high there. i am 82, and i am an absolute junkie for the news right now. i've been aware of politics most of my life, and what concerns me now is that it is such a left and right culture right now, you are either lying or you are either lying or you're telling the truth. and in my opinion, it worries me that if trump gets in, the lying will just take over, and we will not be hearing anything of reality. they deny the climate change and what we've just been through with florida, north carolina and so on. it's climate change, but the

republicans do not believe it. they will not accept it. so my question is -- well, my question is i'm fearful. can we get out of this? when i want something and it is black-and-white, and then i go to fox and they just live, live, lie, for example, the kamala interview, both of them yesterday with charlamagne and then the threat, he said ahead of time i'm not giving her questions, she has no idea. she answered the questions clearly, persistently, and then after it's over i went over to fox and they just lied about what she said.

host: thank you. guest: so this is why i do think it is so important to address this. as donnie indicated, there have been so many lies about climate that i think it just makes it impossible for the parties to have a serious conversation about a policy that might address climate change. i think in the case of our politicians, we need to start asking them this question, why did you live about that? that's not a question that gets asked often enough. host: forma vice president mike pence comes up. guest: he comes up because i talk about my experience with mike who is a former neighbor,

and watching him move up through the ranks and light increasingly, and then of course when he became trump's vice president, stood by and really could have spoken up and said these things are not true. one thing that was particularly troubling to me was after the election, so he certified the election, but then continued to pay lip service to the false claims about the 2020 election. and i just think that is very destructive and the subtitle of my book is how we could burn down our democracy. i think the lies about the election are really worrisome. because the result in things like threats against election

workers, they make people question the validity of election results i think unfairly, and i write this in the chapter, sort of watching his evolution, it struck me that ambition overtook honesty. host: on our independent line, this is from georgia. emmanuel, hello. caller: good morning. real quickly, who defines a lie? the cultural context -- this cultural context have any bearing on line, and here's the question i want you to answer. well, those two, but this one. did christopher columbus discovered america? host: guest: so who defines a lie, it seems to me that the

process of checking the politicians say is in some cases, particularly for presidential candidates, robust. everywhere they say is scrutinized. i think the news media does a good job of telling what is true or false. i think there's a distinction probably with candidates at the lower levels because they just don't get the scrutiny that they need. with so few fact checkers, politicians are free to say anything they want. host: the other question if you want to take it on? guest: i will leave that one to historians. host: beyond the big lie. >> a live picture here from

green bay, wisconsin where shortly vice president and democratic presidential candidate kamala harris will be speaking to a full house of supporters at a campaign rally this evening. it is expected to start shortly. we will have live coverage shortly when it gets underway. caller and mr. thomas brought up about the ultimate dinner. former president trump will address the center in new york and vice president harris' campaign announced she would not, fighting a scheduling conflict, but mr. trump -- she will be the first not to attend the event. the president's remark are expected around 9:15 this evening. you can see that on our website at c-span.org, follow along on c-span now, and you can go

to.org for more information on the event. jd vance will be in pennsylvania for a rally. you will see that also on our main platform on c-span if you would like to see it there. c-span now and our mobile app. that will be in pittsburgh, pennsylvania tonight with jd vance, and then governor tim walz. this rally will take place in north carolina, and it is the state's first day of early voting. 2:00 this afternoon on c-span, c-span now and c-span.org. you can go to the website for more information. patr

caller: i remember october 25 or 26th you had a guy on who is saying it was sandwiched between two candidates, and he talked like i did about what is going on in my neighborhood with nine families in the house, and you cut them off like you cut me off every time. i am not a stupid guy. i went to the academy at 20 years and seven years at stony brook. i cannot get out of this neighborhood because it is too expensive. what is going on here is you cannot compete. if you have nine families in the house, and we do have code enforcement that is not very effective, you cannot compete with these houses, these people that are coming in because they can work for much lower wages.

think about what the mortgage payment would be in that house with nine families in it. you have cars all over the sidewalks, music blasting all over the weekend. the cops and the legislature did that over the weekend. i used to sleep in my office, 40 miles west of here, because if they blow the music and you can hear it from a mile away. it is just a bad thing happening in this country. host: that is steve in new york. let's hear from joe, independent line. caller: maybe you should've told new york egypt optimist counselor. as i was watching a few weeks ago, the post had an 82-year-old woman: about who you are going to vote for, and she said she would never vote for trump enlisted a very long lying and

touching the p word, and then she said he is a rapist, and the host said, no ma'am, he is not a rapist. he was not charged with rape in your, and that is true, but the reason it was not in the state of new york you have to have penetration to be charged with new york -- with great in new york. don't you think you should be telling the truth when u.s. people where do you get your information, things of that nature? and if you do not know by now, i will let you guest who the host was. host: debbie, missouri, democrats line. caller: i would really like to know if your last guest is look to project 2025?

he said that the republicans will not cut social security, and it seems like to me he was not aware of any of that information they have already put out. they will credit. -- cut it. they will take it away if they are put in, and we just have to get the senate and the congress, the democrats have to stand up to save our country, and i appreciate you taking my call. host: the washington post as a story taking a look at comments made by project 2025's x director writing that the former director of the white wing -- right wing policy blueprint is condemning what he sees as violent rhetoric from the heritage foundation president and called another republican vice president nominee jd vance to retracted a 40 row for robert's book. if we will ask the left to tone it down, we have to do our part as well.

someone in the end the view says there was no place for that type of rhetoric, especially in light of the fact that president trump has been the subject of not one but two assassination attempts. robertson took over the conservative think tank declared a second american revolution which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be during an appearance on a podcast before the attempted assassination of donald trump. robertson started marketing his book's cover proposed running done washington, d.c. a heritage spokesman says roberts' remark on the podcast was made to warn of left-wing violence. let's hear from dennis, new york, republican line. caller: i don't understand why the election is so close. under donald trump prior to covid we had no world wars, a secure border. we had no high inflation, and

the country seem to be more united. that is not the whole boat. that is one good thing. my question is to the democrats. today on the news from buffalo, new york they had a task force to find these missing children, 325,000 missing children in this country under this administration. channel 2 knows said the buffalo task force found 47 children and that the parents and guardians of those children should be happy. they never said who had the children and where they came from. there was a lot of this going on under this administration. we have the world's number one sex traffickers. why ain't there doing something for these children? i want answers for these 47 children. the never said where they were and who had them. host: perry, philadelphia,

democrats line. caller: thank you for taking my call. i just wanted to talk about last night's interview on fox with the vice president kamala harris . did you happen to want to that by any chance? host: watch portions of it this morning and we aired importance this morning. caller: there were a couple of questions that she was that she would not give a good answer for, and how many illegals were into the country? i think she should know that answer right off the top of the bed being the vice president at also being in charge of the border. do you agree with me? host: why do you think it is important? caller: i think it is important because people should know you were bringing all these people into the country by the millions. sooner or later they are going to come into our country and take over. the health care will be affected by it, our schools will be

affected by it, and social security will be affected by. you don't want to answer that, i understand. let me ask you another question. she was also asked when did you know about president joe biden's mental capacity, and she would not answer that either. i found that a little strange. i am a democrat. i was thinking of voting for her , but it does not seem -- i do not believe mr. pruden -- putin will be kind to her either. host: let's hear from bill, florida, independent line. caller: thanks for taking my call. i just want to be aware end of the people be aware we have these ebt cards given to the low income people, and i was in line when dave and the lady ordered two doughnuts and a large

cappuccino, and she paid for that with that. this is in massachusetts. i cannot afford that. the next time i was in line a lady got two sushi plates. paid with an ebt card. where the people with low income buying something that i cannot afford? why can't they be restricted to essentials? not anything they want, and we can thank elizabeth warren for that, and we can thank her for people being overweight. thank you elizabeth warren. host: the new york times reported two federal prosecutors redkey will send special counsel jack smith's charges against former president trump have left mr. smith's office. the departures amount to a tacit acknowledgment that any trial in the case will not happen for many months, if not years.

julia edelstein played a prominent role and i was returned to the justice department counterintelligence action according to people familiar with the move. david rescued was handled intelligence related cases as a return to his previous role. >> on the other hand, mr. donald trump does not know a thing. [booing] >> exactly. he does not know what think about working people. he gave massive tax breaks to companies to give them incentives to ship their jobs overseas. boo. he tried to get -- gut worker's rights, advocate for national right to work, nt has even said the company should fire workers.

[booing] along with his good friend elon musk. trump's project 2025 agenda would go even further to retracted ability of unions to even have the ability to organize. the bottom line, trump is a sca b. he is a scab. he does not like union people. when unions are strong, at middle class is strong. [chanting] a second trump term is too big of a risk. that is why in november my union brothers and sisters will work hard and across the country to defeat donald trump and send -- [cheers and applause] and governor walz to the white house.

we need them. they got our backs. we got there backs. and now i am incredibly honored to introduce a lifelong champion union workers, our president of the united states, kamala harris. ♪ >> ♪ freedom, freedom i need freedom too i am going to keep running cuz' a winner don't quit on themselves ♪

i am going to wade through thte wa -- the water call me bulletproof vp harris: good evening, wisconsin! [cheers and applause] good evening, everyone. thank you. come here again. it is good to be back. hey, everybody. hey, green bay.

so many of you may know when i was five years old we lived in wisconsin. [cheers and applause] my parents talk for a short time here, and now every time i landed governor evers will greet me and say welcome home. it is so good to be back with everyone and thank you all for taking the time but your busy lives to be here this evening. thank you all. thank you. [cheers and applause] thank you. and it is great to be with this incredible group of leaders, including ben wickler, sheriff lott wisconsin, democratic party. [cheers and applause] kristin riley who we need to send to the united states congress. and green bay, let's reelect

someone who has spent her career fighting for wisconsin families and manufacturing right here in wisconsin, your senator tammy baldwin. [cheers and applause] we need her back in d.c. we are also joined by tribal heaters, including the president who is from a band of mohican indians, and i will say it met in president but i strongly believe the relationship between tribal nations in the united states is sacred and that we must honor tribal sovereignty, embrace trust and treaty obligations and ensure tribal self-determination. and as president i will defend those principles. [cheers and applause] all right, green bay.

green bay, we have 19 days until election day. 19 days, so we are entering the home stretch. and this is going to be a tight race until the very end. we are the underdog, and that is why we are and i am campaigning to earn every single vote, because i intend to be a president for all americans. [cheers and applause] no matter their political party, where they live, or where they get their news. [cheers and applause] on that point, last night you may have seen that i went on fox news. [cheers and applause] meanwhile, donald trump joined

the univision town hall yesterday where a voter asked him about january 6, ok. now we hear no january 6 who a tragic day, a tragic day for our country. it was a day of terrible violence with attacks on law enforcement. 140 law enforcement officers were injured that day. a law enforcement officers were killed that day. and what did donald trump say about january 6 last night? he called it a day of love. [booing] and we are all clear the american people are exhausted with this gas lighting. enough. enough! we are ready to turn the page. [cheers and applause] turn the page.

[chanting "we're not going back"] vp harris: we are not going back, and the recent wisconsin as we know this electorate is about two very different visions for our country. one that is focused on the past, his, and hours -- ours that is focused on the because we know america is ready for a new wave award, ready for a new optimistic generation of leadership. all of us. all of us. which is why democrats and republicans and independents are supporting our campaign. in fact, yesterday, over 100

republican leaders from across the country joined me on the campaign trail. including some who had previously served in trump's administration. and i believe it is because america wants a president who will serve on behalf of all the american people. [cheers and applause] and that has been the story of my entire career. my entire career, i've only had one client -- the people, the people. as a young courtroom prosecutor, i stood up for women and children against predators. as an attorney general, i took on the big banks and fought to deliver $20 billion for middle-class families that faced foreclosure. i stood up to veterans. i stood up for veterans and students being scammed by big

for-profit colleges -- you know who else ran a big for-profit college, do not forget. i stood up for those veterans and students being scammed by for-profit colleges that were trying to rip them from their dreams and charge them, producing nothing in return. i have stood up for workers who have been cheated out of the wages they were due. i have stood up for seniors who are facing elder abuse. as president, i will always fight for the american people. i will always fight for the american people. and together, we will build a brighter future for our nation. [cheers and applause] and it's a future where we build what i call an opportunity economy, where economy has an opportunity -- america has an

opportunity to do for our people what we know is part of our ambitions, our dreams and aspirations. an opportunity economy where everyone has an opportunity to own a home, to build wealth, to start a business. under my plan, we will bring down the cost of housing. including with a $25,000 down payment assistance, so you can get your foot in the door. [cheers and applause] you do the hard work of saving up and paying that mortgage, but let's be honest, the american dream, that was real for generations past but not so much within the reach of people right now. we've got to deal with the real challenges that people are facing right now if we are going to invest in the future. part of my plan is about helping entrepreneurs start and grow

small businesses. [cheers and applause] look, my mother worked hard and there was a woman who lived two doors down from us, our neighbor, she was a small business owner. i know who our small business owners are. you are not only business leaders, you are community leaders, you are civic leaders. it is our small businesses who are the backbone of america's economy. i know that to be true. do we have any small business owners here tonight? raise your hand. [cheers and applause] under my plan, we will expand medicare to cover home health care for seniors. [cheers and applause] this is based on what i personally know. look, when my mother was sick, i

took care of her. and one of the things for anyone who is in that situation or has been, you know what it's like. it's about cooking for folks what they would want to eat. it is trying to find the clothes that will not be too rough on their skin. it is trying to think of something that can put a smile on their face and make them left. it's about dignity. it's about dignity. but, the reality is it is expensive the if you don't have the ability to do it. it is expensive to try to bring somebody in. far too many people have to quit their jobs to try to take care of their elder relatives. and that's not right. that's not right. so, we also know there are so many people in what we call the sandwich generation, right?

who are raising young children while taking care of your parents. it is almost impossible to do it all. so, my point is this -- neither under the current system, you pay them and lose all your saving so can qualify for medicaid. or you know what i am saying -- either you have to give it all up to be able to qualify for medicaid or we will have to quit your job, or somehow how to bring and help. -- in help. my plan is we will have medicare cover home health care for those who need it. [cheers and applause] the details matter. the details matter. in an opportunity economy, here's how i see it -- we must create good paying jobs that are available to all americans and

not just those with college degrees, ok? because here's the thing, a college degree is not the only measure of the skills and experience of a qualified worker. [cheers and applause] which is why as president, i will get rid of unnecessary degree requirements for several jobs and i will challenge the private sector to do the same. [cheers and applause] and we will lower costs on everything from health care to groceries, and take on corporate price gouging. i've done it before and i will do it again. [cheers and applause] my plan will also give the

middle class tax cuts to 100 ll americans, including $6,000 during the first year of your child's life because here's the thing -- we know the vast majority of parents have a natural desire to parent their children well, but not always the resources. that shouldn't be the thing that gets in the way of giving a child all that we know parents have to give. and the $6,000, by extending that child tax credit, that's what's going to help. you buy a crib or car seat and all the things that child needs during the most critical phase of their development. i share with you some of these details to say this -- i will always put the middle class and working families first. i come from the middle class

and i will never forget where i come from. ever. ever. [cheers and applause] now, donald trump has a different plan. [booing] just google project 2025. i mean, i keep saying this, but i cannot believe they put that thing in writing. they bound it and they handed it out. and if you read it, look, it is a detailed and dangerous blueprint for what he will do if he's elected president. many of you have heard me say i do believe donald trump is an unserious man, but the consequences of him being president again are brutally serious.

brutally serious. here's the thing, donald trump will give tax cuts to billionaires and big corporations, just like he did before. he will cut social security and medicare, and get rid of the $35 cap on insulin for seniors. check this out when you look at project 2025. he will make it easier for companies to deny overtime pay for workers. and he will impose what i call a trump sales tax which is at least a 20% tax on every day basic necessities, which economists have estimated will cost the average american over $4000 more a year. and on top of all of this, donald trump intends to end the affordable care act. and he has no plan to replace

it. you watched the debate. he has "concepts of a plan." come on. but again, it is a serious issue because here's the thing, he's going to then threaten health insurance coverage for 45 million americans based on a concept? and take us back to when insurance companies were denying people with pre-existing conditions? you remember what that was? well, we are not going back. we are not going back. we are not going back. [cheers and applause]

[crowd chanting "we're not going back"] vice pres. harris: and we are not going back because just like wisconsin's state motto tells us, we will move forward of. . [cheers and applause] because ours is a fight for the future and it is a fight for freedom. like the fundamental freedom of a woman to make decisions about her own body. and not have the government tell her what to do. [cheers and applause] and no matter how he likes to guess like us, we are -- gaslight us, we are clear about how we got here. donald trump hand selected three members of the supreme court with the intention they would

undo the protections of roe v. wade, and they did as he intended. now in america, one in three women live in a state with a trump abortion ban. [booing] and you have heard the stories, awful stories, painful stories of the experiences people have been having since that came down. think about it. some of these states, there no exceptions for even rape or incest, which means telling a survivor that a violation of their body, they have no right to make a decision about what happens to their body next. that is immoral. and let us agree, one does not have to abandon their faith or deeply held beliefs to agree the government should not be telling her what to do. [cheers and applause]

not the government. and it my pledge to you when congress passes a bill to restore reproductive freedom nationwide, as president of the united states, i will proudly sign it into law. [cheers and applause] proudly. that's why you have to get tammy back to the senate, by the way. now, donald trump has a very different view on reproductive freedom. and he refuses continuously, he refuses continuously to acknowledge the harm he has caused. see for yourself. let's roll a clip.

>> i will protect women at a level never seen before. you will be protected and i will be your protector. you will no longer be thinking about abortion. everybody wanted it and i did it. for 54 years, they were trying to get roe v. wade terminated and i did it. the women thing, i did a great thing long-term. i think they will understand. i did a great thing. i want to talk about ivf. i'm the father of ivf. [booing] vice pres. harris: ok. the courts will take care of that. let's take care of november. we'll take care of november. now, i mean, seriously, so,

first of all, no, donald, everybody did not want roe v. wade to be overturned. women are dying of sepsis because they cannot get the health care they need. they did not want this. couples just trying to grow their family are being cut off in the middle of ivf treatments. they did not want this. and now, i mean, it just gets more unbelievable sometimes. [laughter] that man calls himself the father of ivf? i mean, what does that even mean? he's the one that is responsible for it being at risk in the first place. and what is sadly interesting, i think, is that when you listen

to donald trump talk, it becomes increasingly clear, i think, he has no idea what he's talking about. when it comes to the health care of women in america. [cheers and applause] and across our nation, again, because this is serious. this is why you are all here spending so much time when you can be doing other things. across our nation, we are witnessing a full-on assault on other hard-fought freedoms and rights, like the freedom to vote. you see what's happening across our country. attacks on the freedom to join a union. attacks on the freedom to just be safe from gun violence. attacks on the freedom to love who you love openly and with

pride. [cheers and applause] so much is on the line in this election. and this is not 2016 and it's not 2020. the stakes are even higher, because a few months ago, the supreme court told the former president that he's effectively immune no matter what he does in the white house. now just imagine donald trump with no guardrails. think about that. he has vowed if reelected, he will be a dictator on day one. [booing] that he will weaponize the department of justice against his political enemies. he who calls americans who disagree with him the enemy from

within -- yes -- and says if reelected, he would use the military to go after them. he who has called for the "termination" of the constitution of the united states. let us be very clear. someone who suggests we should terminate the constitution of the united states should never again stand behind the seal of of the president of the united states. never again. never again. never again. [cheers and applause] so, wisconsin, it comes down to

this. i know we are all here together because we know what is at stake. and we are here together because we love our country. we love, we love our country. and i do believe it is one of the highest forms of patriotism, of an expression of the love of our country to then fight for its ideals and to fight to realize the promise of america. and that's what we are doing. [cheers and applause] so, election day is in 19 days. and here in wisconsin, early voting starts next tuesday, october 22.

so, now is the time to make your plan to vote. and if you have received your ballot in the mail, please do not wait. fill it out and return it today. and remember, wisconsin has same-day voter registration. right? [cheers and applause] so, if you are not registered to vote, you can register when you vote on election day or early because the election is here. we know we need to organize, we need to energize, we need to mobilize. we've got to remind everybody, your vote is your voice and your voice is your power. in a democracy, it still remains true that each individual has

the power, each individual has the power to weigh in on this. so, wisconsin, today, i ask you are you ready to make your voices heard? [cheers and applause] do we believe in freedom? do we believe in opportunity? do we believe in the promise of america? and are we ready to fight for it? [cheers and applause] and when we fight, we win! god bless you and god bless the united states of america. [cheers and applause] ♪

>> vice president kamala harris wrapping up her remarks at a campaign rally in green bay, wisconsin. her sixth visit to wisconsin where she leads former president trump by two points according to washington post. later tonight, more camping coverage with former president trump speaking at the annual albert e. lee smith center in new york city. watch live coverage beginning at about 9:15 p.m. eastern. ♪

>> tonight, former president donald trump will be speaking at the al smith dinner in new york. it is named for the former new york governor, a democrat in the first roman catholic to be nominated for president by a major party in 1928. watch live coverage at 9:15 p.m. eastern on c-span, c-span now, or online at c-span.org. >> c-span's washington journal, a live form involving you to discuss the latest issues in government, politics and public policy from washington, d.c. to

across the country. coming up friday morning, national politics reporter vivian solano discussing the top stories and campaign 2024. and newsmax ceo christopher ruddy discusses newsmax's role in the media ecosystem and campaign 2024 media coverage. join the conversation live at 7:00 eastern on friday morning on c-span, c-span now, or c-span.org. >> thomas is a syndicated columnist and the author of the book "the watchman of the night," welcome to washington journal. please tell me i don't look that old. host: even wanting politics for a long time. what do you think about what you're going to see? >> it's always about turnout and it always has been. that's why both vice president harris and donald trump are

trying to motivate their base and encourage them to get out and vote. one of the things that confirmed that concerns me, george sampled a lot of evangelical christian vote that has largely been behind trump. many of them are saying they are so disgusted by both candidates that they are planning not to vote at all. if that comes through on election day, i don't think it necessarily will, but if it does, i think that gives the advantage to vice president harris. host: you say the research indicating that 104 million people have -- are unlikely to vote. 32 million self identified christians. >> i think it is a dereliction of their civic duty. we have an obligation in a free society. we have a lot of religious language and our founding documents. the pledge of allegiance speaks of being under god.

and on many buildings here in the city, there are references to moses and the law and other religious language. so i think if you want to maintain the kind of freedom that we enjoyed including the freedom to worship god if you are a believer or not, you have to get out and vote for those people who you believe will be the best defenders of that right to believe. host: we had a color in the last segment. how can christians over donald trump? guest: first off, that question was raised about bill clinton and interestingly on the others because many evangelical christians said then that character was everything when it came to bill clinton. now apparently they have thrown that overboard in character doesn't matter so much anymore. we used to settle for what was called the lesser of two evils. now it appears we've moved the people of two lessers. host: can you expand on that? guest: i think of leadership as a reflection of followership.

we tolerate a lot of things that happen in this country. massive national debt approaching $35 trillion. no nation has ever been able to survive that kind of debt. open borders, uncontrolled immigration without assimilation. in a completely different context, in olden days, the glint of stocking with look at something shocking. now heaven knows anything goes. people are afraid to stand up and say anything is wrong, all traces of equal value and what you have than i think is the polluting of the moral water table. i read a previous book called america's expiration date and any one of those three things but i just mentioned, the debt, open borders or a lot of a shared moral value system, any one of them has contributed to the decline of a great nation. we have existed longer as a country than any other democracy in history. what makes us think that violating those principles that other nations violated would not

bring us to the same end? host: where are you on former president trump? guest: it's been a great struggle. i voted for him before, but i'm still kind of undecided. i go back and forth. i look at his promises, i'm really interested in his promise to bring in outside auditors to audit the federal government. the waste, the number of agencies and programs that have long past their sell by date need to be gotten rid of. we do this in business. you have auditors come in, you look at the bottom line and that sort of thing, but we don't do it in government. one of ronald reagan's great lines, the only proof of eternal life in washington is a government program. host: if you want to asking questions, (202) 748-8001 republicans. (202) 748-8000 democrats. independents, (202) 748-8002. can you can text us at (202) 748-8003. the former vice president on fox

news yesterday. first of all appearing on the network itself, what do you think that says a better campaign? guest: i praise her for doing that. i've done many, many, many liberal networks. i used to appear on the old phil donahue show a lot. this whole idea of balance, i like to work a loan and i had a letter accusing me of trying to dominate. i said how can he dominate with a new york audience against me and five against one of the panel? what we need to encourage more of that. donald trump specifics, i think she floated like a butterfly but didn't sting like a thief. i think she was very superficial on a number of things, and the one nonanswer, and i was so glad that brett there ask this because nobody else has, nobody, he said madden vice president, you consistently said that president biden was a cognitively ok, and every other democrat who met within said he was engaged, he asked

substantive questions, he was completely without all the time, the situation room or wherever it was. clearly that was not the case and that of the reason he withdrew. she absolutely refused to answer that, and by not answering i think she did give an answer. it was host: clearly a cover-up. part of the interview was how she would differentiate herself from president biden. what was revealed? guest: i don't think it revealed anything. she said i'm not joe biden. ok, but what about policy? if you say you are not joe biden but you are part of the administration for nearly four years now, what does that mean, what would you do differently? she talked to order agents. there were immigration laws passed by republican and democrat congresses and signed by democrat and republican presidents. all you have to do is enforce the laws. you don't need new laws. we don't enforce a lot the laws we have. we are letting people into this

country. i compare it to a cup of coffee. take a cap of coffee and you pour water into it, you dilute it. and if you pour it long enough, you replace it. we want immigrants. we want people to become fully american and embrace our values and our constitution, but if your first act coming into america is breaking the law, that does not bode very well for your future, in my view. host: our first call comes from troy in georgia, independent line. go ahead. caller: i've read you for many years, thank you for taking my call. i'm an independent, i called on the independent line. i took your comment at the beginning of the segment, defendants or christian voters who decide not to cast a vote might be slacking in their civic duty and i want you to convince me to vote.

i followed the story of donald trump and the 2020 election. i seen no credible evidence that there was a vast conspiracy to steal the vote. fox news paid a lot of money, they lost key people in their organization because of this. on the others they see the democratic party that obviously lied, people in that party lied about the state of bidens mental status until the point where he got on national television in the debate, made a total mess out of it and they had to come off of it. then they anointed this candidate who never won a vote. i'm just looking at this and i think a lot of people like me are just really disenchanted with the whole process. i really don't trust either party. i don't think either party has a

corner online for being frivolous with the truth and using a lot of misinformation. guest: i usually define politics this way. poly means many, and ticks are bloodsucking insects. you have two choices. you can encourage other people to run who represent your views and values, or you can run yourself. but just to sit back and watch the tv and say they are all bad, they are all corrupt, it doesn't really help improve the situation. the other thing is that you have to be engaged between elections. you can't just show up on election day and forget about it for four years or two years. you have to be engaged, you have to write your member, when they do town halls you have to show up and ask questions. the activist groups do this, but if you are in active don't participate, i go to the gym,

this is why look so good, and a push against the weight in order to build up the muscle. democracy is not the normal state of humanity. if it were, more people in the world would embrace it. we have to constantly renew. reagan used to say we are only one generation away from losing it all. each generation has to renew these values or they get lost. reagan also said we are only -- well, i already said that. i tend to repeat myself as i get older. host: democrats line, either. caller: hello. i'm just calling because of having a problem with my kids. what going on is that they are saying it's ok to live. because politicians are lying overtime, it's ok for them to lie, and i don't know what to do about it. guest: how did you bring them up, did you ever tell them that you must always tell the truth? caller: i did, but they are

pointing at them and saying they're not doing it, why should i? guest: your job as a parent is to try to lead them in the right direction. if they choose another direction, that is on them. you can only hope that they come back someday after seeing the value of resume of the principles that you live by and you don't lie. if that is the case, they will be impressed by that. are your kids teenagers? is gone. if they are teenagers, they will grow out of it. i know some of minded and some of mine rebelled and later came back, so there's always hope. host: what -- guest: i think a president cannot force people to be moral but he or she can set an example. jimmy carter, i used to go to sunday school with him and watch him teach the bible. i think policies aside that there was never any personal

scandal associated with him, and i think he set a good example, especially going to church. for a lot of americans you may have grown tired going to church, i think his example encouraged more to do so. host: eric is in florida, republican line. go ahead. caller: mr. thomas, i'm glad you are our guest today. i've got something on the same bandwagon with political campaigns. we do have one particular federal agency. i wonder if you have a comment about the federal communications commission? is it their role to some degree to monitor what goes out on advertising? or is that not actually what they do?

i thought that agency had been established to at some level talk about truth. guest: we are hearing a lot about that now as the last guest talked about social media, but people think government ought to be a monitor to what is true, what isn't, what is a lie and what is not. that is a dangerous thing. you have to go back and look at the history of it, created in the 1930's to govern and monitor , broadcasting radio, and later television. it was basically a regulatory agency, and then we got into things like bad language on the air, people wanting the sec to remove the line sentences of broadcast media -- licenses of

broadcast media that used words they thought were offensive, and that led to george carlin to do this marvelous comedic act called the seven words you are not allowed to see on tv. if you cannot turn the channel, you can turn it off, and there is a lot of stuff i don't watch because of the language and stuff, but in this society, you have to allow anything that is not crying fire in a crowded theater when there is no fire, so i'm pretty liberal on that issue. host: -- guest: having been on 60 minutes twice, i oppose that. host: we will hear from bob who joins us in pennsylvania, independent line. caller: good morning and thank you for c-span. i hope we will always have it, but i'm beginning to doubt whether we will or not when i

see what is going on. i'm an old man, so it will not affect me very long. i could never understand how adolf hitler got to power. i understand now. he was a man who is looked up to by many germans. unfortunately, i think we are at the doorstep of what is going to happen to our country if trump wins this election. guest: there is a big difference, if you know your history -- caller: could i just say -- guest: sorry, i thought you were finished. caller: he is going to cut me off, so i would like to say what i'm going to have to say because i don't get the call often. trump is a very dangerous man. i tried to listen to him when he first ran. i stopped listening when he handicapped that mocked journalist. he denied it. i have a picture in my living room of him doing that. he still denies it.

a man -- that man is a dangerous person for our country. they are not going to have to take our country apart as long as we handed over to a dictator. host: caller, got your point. guest: i think you started with hitler, the difference between then and now is we do have checks and balances. we have the three branches of government, and each of those other two would check in the excesses of the executive. trump did not do a lot of the stuff you worry about and his four years in office, and some of this is rhetoric. i don't think, number one, he really means it, and, number two, he would really do it, and, number three, if you tried to do it, he would be stopped by members of congress and possibly the supreme court depending on the issue. so, you know, i know there is a

lot of heated rhetoric on both sides, if this person gets elected, the country will be ruined. if the other gets elected, the country will be ruined. so vote intelligently, if you are a religious person, pray for those in authority, and vote. this is how you promote a constitutional republic. host: what do you think of the former president and what he talks about is more writer lick than reality -- rhetoric than the reality? guest: i interviewed him once in his first run for office, and he has got a great personality, but he is all over the place when it comes to issues. i don't like, and i do agree with vice president harris on her interview last night with fox that he demeans people all the time. the late bob beckel who managed a campaign, we used to do this talk show around the country. we got to know each other and admire each other and love each

other. he was my dearest friend, he really was. this was one of the problems of washington today that we face. there are almost no social gatherings anymore, and people don't get to know each other. they fly in on a monday night, members of congress, leave on a friday morning, and they go to their own groups of republicans and democrats, and they are all the same. there are no personal relationships anymore. i remember when joe lieberman, one of the most honest and decent man to ever serve in congress in modern times, was seen having dinner one night with a member of the opposite party, somebody took a picture and used it against him and his reelection bid in connecticut, and instead of getting the nomination, he did not get it, but he ran as an independent and won because he had so much integrity. that kind of thing with "meeting with someone on the others," i used to say that bob beckel was

not on the others, he was my friend. both of our fathers were in world war ii, they were not fighting for franklin roosevelt. they were fighting to preserve the great american ideal, and we have gotten away from that. it is a shame. it is harming us and our political rhetoric. host: let's hear from donna, pennsylvania, democrat. good morning. go ahead. good morning. hello. caller: i'm sorry, how are you? i'm sorry, the phone was ringing, too. on january 6, when they storm the capital, i was wondering why ? they had those committees, liz cheney -- guest: you need to put your phone on hold. that sounds like a landline. caller: it is. host: go ahead, donna, please. caller: anyway, when they had the january 6 committee, and

they showed it on cnn, msnbc, -- i'm on a show, let me call you back. and i turned to fox news, all three stations. with liz cheney and all of them, all republicans, testifying about the january 6 commission. fox news, you know what they had on? they had [indiscernible] why couldn't fox news supporters get the facts on what happened? instead, they would like to show you but black people looting to scare the american people, and elderly people pretty why do they do that? guest: i think you are mixing two things. i watched fox and cnn coverage,

and fox covered a lot of the january 6 committee hearing. they covered the ride at the capital and the threats against mike pence. they interviewed people after the fact, and, yes, there were stories about looting and major cities. i don't know if they were all black people because many had masks and hoods, and it should not matter. if you are looting and breaking the law, you are looting and breaking the law, no matter your race or gender. that was a separate story related, i think, i would have to look at it again, to the whole notion of it being the law and not crossing lines. i think in that case, that was a good juxtaposition, but i do not agree with you how fox was not equal to the other networks and covering the january 6 riots. host: she mentioned liz cheney, the vice president has republicans for harris. what do you think about that as

a strategy? guest: liz cheney voted over 90% for all of trump's legislative recommendations when she was a member of congress. people have their own points of view. i understand that the personality, at least for liz cheney, apparently, and the behavior and name-calling has overwhelmed her republican point of view, but personality is one thing. these are serious issues about the national debt and immigration, and the crime in our cities, which has gone up, not down, as the administration claims. it is one thing to say, i do not like the guys personality, but you have to focus on the policies. and if you flip and say i will vote for kamala harris, she stands for everything that liz cheney and congress posed, so how do you do that? i understand the personality

thing but not the political thing. host: cal thomas is joining us, a syndicated columnist, and an author. for those who may be listening, what is the book about? guest: i started writing my column a little over 40 years ago, over 4000 columns. a remarkable run. i decided to go back and look at the events that occurred beginning in 1984 when my column started, and then commenting on some of them. it is not a column collection, there is some humor in it, and i'm proud of the person who did the introduction. tom johnson, who opened the doors for me at the l.a. syndicate, became president of cnn, and lbj democrat but very fair and believes in true diversity of ideas. he wrote the introduction, and then i had endorsements from both sides of the political spectrum.

henry louis gates junior, who does wonderful african-american shows on pbs, and the host of the late wheel of fortune, so you cannot cover the spectrum wider than that. host: what will the 2024 portion be like for you? guest: i had to stop writing. i may have to do an addendum. this has been the most amazing and depressing political year i've seen in years. we are not getting issues properly discussed. you're getting evasion, name-calling, demeaning. it is very discouraging. i would like to hear solid debates about israel. what are you going to do to fix the debt? what are you really going to do. trump says he's going to start with all the criminal aliens and deport them. ok, let's say they all came from venezuela. you think venezuela will accept them back if they have deported them to the united states? how's that going to work. i would like to know more details.

and we are getting a lot of superficial stuff, and i think the american public is being cheated on their right to know on what people really believe and how they will accomplish what they say they will do. host: should president trump have participated in another debate? guest: absolutely. i think three ought to be a minimum, frankly, and more in-depth interviews. yes, this is not some kind of right that is conferred upon somebody to be president, you have got to earn it, as kamala harris said. you have got to go out and convince people that what you would like to do for this country is better than your opponent would like to do. and no other nation does that as well as we have. at least not until recently. host: independent line, baltimore, eric, hello. caller: good morning, america. guest: that is another show. [laughter] caller: yeah, what is your name? . host: cal thomas, go ahead. caller: cal thomas, well, i

voted for dr. joel stein because her soul is not for sale. she is talking about health care, higher wages. we are talking about so-called american values, with january 6 american values, they do not have masks on. i don't know if all the people were black -- we know what color they were on january 6. i marched -- i marched peacefully for george floyd two times, ok, so you know what i'm saying? this is ridiculous. tell me what the so-called american values are. guest: you may have noticed or maybe not that jill stein was just endorsed by david duke, so i don't know how you feel about that. i think american values begin with the individual. i think personal responsibility and accountability, saving

money, investing for your own retirement. if you are going to be sexually promiscuous, use contraceptives so you don't have an unwanted pregnancy. nobody talks about that and the abortion debate. the whole idea of personal responsibility has gone out the window. it is open season on medicare, for example. i live part time in florida, the ads on television contain the same words -- free, deserve, and entitlement. if you work that mentality and somehow you think the government will take care of you better than yourself, it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy but i think government is a last resort. too many americans see it as a first resource, and that is one reason we have massive debt and another reason our politics have become so cynical, in my view. host: joseph, virginia, republican. caller: hi. how are you today? host: go ahead.

caller: i have one question, and i hope he can explain it. i'm 85, maybe i'm just senile or something, but can you tell me how kamala harris is the pic to run for president when she did not get no votes at all? that is only question i have to ask. guest: as the late walter cronkite used to say, that is the way it is. it is a mystery to many. she was the first end pullout of the 2023 democratic candidates in 2016, and she never won a single delegate or single vote and was the first of pullout. this is a unique occasion in american politics and has never happened before. i think i just repeated myself. it means the same thing. yeah, i think that there should have been, and some democrats suggested this to their credit, there should have been some kind of quick primary election to let

the people choose. the people had chosen joe biden fear, primary's all over the country. all of a sudden, he withdraws and she is anointed. i think a lot of people don't like that and they think it said about president, not just republicans. host: a colleague of yours wrote about barack obama. what inspired that for you? guest: it is an act of desperation and it follows a lot of condescension that democrats have had about african-americans over the years. what we have seen, it is a new poll, that younger african-americans, i think the reason for this is they had not been through the civil rights movement, so they are looking at things like failing schools, in chicago, for example, only 25% of high school graduates are proficient in reading, which is a disgrace, and the mayor there

is just getting into the teachers union, but none of it is filtering down to the kids, so school choice is the answer to that. when former president obama comes out, and that says people in the neighborhoods who voted for me last time do not seem to be coming out, but let's -- nice transition. [video clip] >> based on reports i'm getting from campaigns is that we have not yet seen the same kind of energy and turnout in all of our neighborhood communities as when i was running. now, i also would like to think that we need to be more pronounced with the brothers.

[end video clip] host: that is what he said. guest: there is this presumption of tribalism in this country that all african-american people are to think and vote alike, that all women care about the same issues and have the same position when it comes to abortion, and the media feeds this but it is not true. you almost never see an african-american person or a woman who has a different point of view than the travel mentality, and if they are, it is usually the result of them being put down as not members of the tribe or not fully female, or as joe biden said, if you don't vote for me, you ain't black. that has angered a lot of young black voters who have been taken for granted and i think they are right. the politicians come around every four years b in their neighborhoods andlack churches, and then they show up say these things and they don't show up another four years. got tired of that.

we need more people exchanging ideas, and not just voting as their parents or grandparents did. host: next call from virginia, dependent. caller: yes, i do not understand how anyone, including mr. thomas considering the alternative can vote for someone to deny them and release power and to not give up power voluntarily. i cannot understand that. guest: who did not give up power voluntarily? caller: mr. trump. guest: he left the white house on january 20. he did not agree with the outcome, but he left the election and did not stay. caller: i realize that, but you know what i mean. guest: no, i don't. caller: i understand what you are saying. but he continues -- i wish

someone would ask mr. trump why he cannot accept the fact that he lost the election. guest: they have, and he says he believes there was fraud and cheating. the hearse not been a single court, including with judges he appointed, who have agreed with him. he responded by saying the judges all say we do not have standing. if you don't have standing when you are running for president, what constitutes standing? interesting argument. i looked at all of this stuff, i see these shadow things of people supposedly stuffing ballots in boxes outside and all of this. a lot of people believe that they would like to, and they look at certain things and reinforce their biases. and let's go back to richard nixon and john f. kennedy, clearly, there was cheating in illinois and west virginia in the primary there going on, but

nixon said he wanted to put the country ahead of everyone else and did not with them fighting in that election. and that attitude does not exist anymore. hillary clinton is still in denial when she lost her trump, although not to the level that trump is. it is a lot of poison in our politics. how do you get rid of it? i don't know, but i wish we would. host: michigan, democrat line. caller: hi, i have so many ideas in my head right now, but back in the days, when there was decency, when you saluted the flag in a parade, when i was a little girl, there was decency, and over time, it has gone right out the window, and trump said, get right off the ledge. that is what everybody is talking about. have a level of anxiety we are living with now and the indecency of this man, i don't

understand how -- politics aside, please. and maybe we should think about getting rid of the parties altogether. what if we just had an election committee without any party affiliation? what if we stop talking about racial? i get tired when i hear of the black vote, this book, la -- this vote, why do we have to be so separated in all of our sections? guest: great question. the founders warned against political parties. if you think politics is nasty today, i commend the 1801 election between thomas jefferson and john adams, where they called each other names that would rival anything donald trump had said about nancy pelosi or kamala harris. you had warren harding and the teapot scandal, so there has been a lot of this. it is exacerbated by social media, television, talk radio

and other things. it is like wrestling. most people know it is fake, but they do it anyway because it is good entertainment. host: this is debbie, ohio from social media, asking you if you think the richest man in the world should get the job of being government auditor? guest: he does run a successful business. he is doing things for rockets, if you saw that landing the other day. that was like science fiction, incredible. and he's very successful. we used to support success and penalize impudence, but now you have to be regulated more, taxed more, it is not fair that you are making more than somebody else, income inequality. yeah, there are always people making more money than me, but i don't care, as long as i have freedom to make what next may comfortable and provide for my

family, that is all that matters. host: so depending on the elections and who controls which body? guest: i have an interview promised to me with speaker johnson. i will ask about that and that red wave prediction that did not happen. i think from the polls i'm reading, and looks like the republicans will win the senate, the house could be close, democrats could take back the house. a lot of americans like split government and they may rail against its incompetence and failure to get things done, but they just don't trust the power, which is not necessarily a bad thing. host: what is the question that you would like to ask the speaker or a question you think he may not answer? guest: what are you going to do about the debt? spending is the major problem when it comes to economics in this country. we know it needs to be done, but nobody will talk about it, social security and medicare, going to run out of money in the

early 20 30's, everybody knows that. it's not a mystery, but nobody will touch it. one of the senate candidates running against rick scott, the incumbent, and he says he will do away with social security. that is a boldface lie, but democrats have been running on that for 50 years. they always say that and it is not true, but that keeps the publicans from doing what is necessary. former speaker paul ryan had a plan to report social security medicare and read about it in "the wall street journal." it had some flaws but it is a good start. he got an ounce by the democrats who created a political ad, showing an ad pushing an old woman over a cliff. that was not a serious response to a proposal. let's get the politics out of it and do it promotes the general welfare.

i wish i had written that line. host: florida, publican. caller: good morning -- republican. caller: good morning, c-span. guest: hope you survive the hurricane. caller: yes, both of them. guest: good. caller: i value your opinion very much. a couple things i would like you to respond to, as far as the division of our country, how has this evolved and where is it going? i believe that two parties need to come together. now, vice president harris has forgone the congressional meeting regarding israel. she is the president of congress and should have been there. that caused further division. now i'm here, foregoing the

presidential roast that is coming up. so, i would like to get your views on what you think is really happening and where we go from here. guest: well, each party, of course, has its constituency and fundraisers, and a lot of this is about fundraising. there are not many ideas now that are original or new. they are poll tested, so politicians tell you and propose certain things that pull testing tells them you would like to hear. leadership used to be about telling people where we need to go, and other leaders are behaving like followers and asking people where would you like to go? that is not real leadership. i do not go to a car dealer to get my teeth cleaned. i go to the dentist. if i'm a leader, i don't go to

the followers to say what do you want? i tell them this is what you need to do to improve this or that. they don't do that anymore. a lot of this is about money and getting reelected. i've been a fan of term limits, but the problem is people who would have to vote for term limits are the ones who do not want to because it would fit them. who would want to come to washington and after a couple of terms, get a pension and free health care and all kinds of other things that no average citizen could get? once again, i go back to what i said earlier, if you don't like it, go back to the people who will change it, but there are not many who will, sadly. host: how often do you write your column and what are you thinking about writing next? guest: two a week for 40 plus years. i don't do much else, and what do i think about writing about next? i don't know, this is thursday,

it's not due until monday and a lot can happen between now and then. host: what are you paying attention to? guest: obviously, the campaign, and both sides are trying to shore up their votes. i just wish, i go back and look at some of these jokes ronald reagan told and the self-deprecating humor. that works a lot. i asked trump, have you ever asked forgiveness for anything or admitted you made a mistake? he said, no, i may have to ask for forgiveness someday but no. people don't like that. if richard nixon had come out and said i did not order what happened at watergate but i take responsibility for it as president and i would like to ask the american people's forgiveness, he would have served out a second term i think, but the hooper's and ego is -- the hubris and ego was so strong that i cannot remember the last time anybody admitted error. host: he is the author of "the

watchmen's night: what i've >> donald trump will be speaking in new york. watch live coverage at 9:15 p.m. eastern on c-span or c-span.org. data recent look at news consumption and where they get the news from. when it looks at platforms, taking a look at 2024, when you look at the topic of digital devices, 57% of those responding says when it comes to news consumption that is what they choose most. 29% say they sometimes choose

those digital devices. it is in the single digits when it comes to the never and rarely categories. television, only 33% of those in 2024 saying that is where they get their news from. 39 percent saying sometimes where they get their news, and the 22% saying rarely do they get their news from that platform. it goes down drastically when you go to radio, specifically when it comes to radio. only 11% saying they get their news from that. more sing sometimes they get their news, 29% saying they rarely get their news from radio. pew took a look at social media and asked the same question. the percentage of adults who get news from social media. in 2024 25% of those responding saying they get their news from those sites. sometimes at between 9% --

sometimes at 29%. in the never category, 28 percent responding saying when it comes to news consumption social media is not it. that is some of the folks from pew thing that, you can tell us where you get your news as well. if you want to let us know it is (202) 748-8001 republicans, (202) 748-8000 free democrats and independents (202) 748-8002. text us at (202) 748-8003 and you can always post on our social media sites on facebook and x. let's start with kendra in virginia. independent line. go ahead. caller: good morning. i mostly get my news -- i try to find stations that are unbiased.

i have been watching c-span washington journal for over 10 years now. i used to watch cnn and then i stopped because i realized they were really left leaning. my most recent station i watch since 2021 is newsnation. that is the station i watch, mostly in the evenings to get my news from. host: when you watch, you say you look for bias. what is it in the news coverage you look for that you say i will stay with the station or not stay with the station? caller: i want to make sure they are covering, as far as with political news, i want to make sure they are covering things fairly. i do not want them to just cover

one person most of the time. when they bring on guests i prefer they bring someone that is going to talk about one candidate and then have another person that will talk about the other candidate, not just bringing someone on that is going to bash one candidate stop i want to make sure whoever they bring on, there are views from both political sides. host: kendra in virginia. let's hear from hannah in connecticut. democrats line. caller: i usually go straight to c-span and i also listen to msnbc and cnn at my local channel, which is cbs. i would like to say that when i went to vote -- since covid came

about i had to register all over again and i am 77. i thought i was all set with that. they should talk a lot bit more on television to let us know that you have to register in some places again. i would also like to say i only have one time to talk. i'm try to say all i have to say now. i think president biden come up with the task force to study all of these gases that are being dumped into the ozone. that is the reason way we have -- why we have all these hurricanes. just to have a study on what the spaceships are dumping out into the earth as they come up and go back down. host: is to keep on the topic, i know you have a lot of things to talk about. when you watch your various news channels do you watch just the news portions, to watch the

opinion shows, watch all of it? what is that for you? caller: i am also looking for the news because of a storm is coming up or something i want to make sure we know about it. i wanted to say one thing. one thing i will let you go. jd vance's wife is indian and i think kamala harris should be looking at that group of people. host: let's go to ben in pennsylvania. caller: as far as my go to sources for news, i imagine i'm a little bit of an outlier when it comes to being an arctic supporter of president trump, i watch everything from fox to msnbc. i watch the opinion, i watch the news, nightly news with lester holt is my preferred in terms of nbc abc cbs.

i do want to say c-span is by far the most reliable news source out of all of them. i feel you are the only ones left who truly give a nonbiased opinion on issues throughout the day and throughout the months and throughout the election. that being said, vice president harris interview with bret baier on fox, i respect her for doing that but we cannot forget president trump has been facing adversarial media for the last 10 years and doing it regularly. to answer the question directly, i like to get all of the opinions and make my am decision. host: there is ben in pennsylvania. you can continue on with thoughts. maybe they have said something you can agree with or go to other places when it comes to news consumption. (202) 748-8001 republicans, (202) 748-8000 for democrats.

independents, (202) 748-8002. the caller just mentioned the interview the vice president conducted with bret baier. one of the topics is the question about how her administration would differ from that of the current president, joe biden. here's part of that exchange from yesterday. [video clip] >> you are not joe biden and you are not donald trump but nothing comes to mind you would do differently? >> my presidency will not be a continuation of joe biden's presidency. like every new president that comes into office i will bring my life experiences, my professional experiences, and fresh and new ideas. i represent a new generation of leadership. i am someone who has not spent the majority of my career in washington, d.c. i invite ideas from republicans who are supporting me who were just on stage with me minutes ago and the business sector and

others who can contribute to the decisions i make about my plan for increasing the supply of housing in america and bringing down the cost of housing. addressing the issue of small businesses which is about working with the private sector to bring more capital and access to capital to our small business leaders, including my plan for a $25,000 down payment assistance for first-time homebuyers and for small businesses extending the tax deduction from $5,000 to $50,000. >> we have heard a lot about those plans. your campaign slogan is a new way forward and it is time to turn the page. you have been vice president for three and a half years so what are you turning the page from? >> first of all turning the page from the last decade in which we have been burdened with the kind of rhetoric coming from donald trump that has been designed and implemented to divide our country and have americans

literally point fingers at each other. rhetoric and an approach to leadership that suggests the strength of a leader is based on who you beat down instead of the strength of leadership is based on who you lift up. host: that was a portion from her interview with fox news. you can see more of it at their website. we are asking where you get your political news. someone posting on her facebook site saying -- someone posting on our facebook site saying he goes to multiple sources. re--- marie saying newsnation and foxbusiness and also i connect the dots from all of the major news media, they'll connect the dots which is so fake. jennifer jones saying i listen to everything. the media, new sites, political fact. that is part of the media diet

they consume leading up to an election. let's hear from harry in albany, new york. independent. host: good morning -- caller: good morning. i have been an independent for over 30 years. i don't really watch a lot of local news. i can just pick that up on youtube. as for the national news i wait for msnbc and sometimes i stay up for lawrence o'donnell. during the workday i'd like to listen to podcasts including dan carlin common sense. we may agree or disagree but he is an excellent presentation. when i get the chance i have subscriptions to foreign affairs and foreign policy. i try to take a broad approach and use the occam's razor, reduce it down to the most

common sense. host: harry in new york. coal is from england on the democrats line. hello. go ahead. caller: after all of these years i think the television news channels in america to a good job of the broadcasting of political views and political stories about the election. i get my views -- my political news on the american news. they do a great job. c-span does a good job as well. host: we get a lot of people who would say to watch a channel like the bbc or other international news and they get more from that versus american news. how does american news differ from what you might see in your country? caller: you do more in views about american politics like the

election in america. in this country there are little segments of it. the coverage will increase over the next two weeks. i do rely on a more in-depth conversation with the american television news headlines. host: thank you. there is cole joining us from across the pond to give us his take on political news. you can at doors to the mix like doug in alaska, independent line. caller: good morning. i get my news from cable and i stay away from a lot of the obvious bias people --

commentators, i do not think they are news people. they have their own agenda for the agenda of the people they work for like cnn or fox. the podcasts to me are very important. a lot of youtube, i watch the debates and congressional hearings. i try to keep up on almost all of them. i like to get the information from the horses mouth. it is just after a while i think most people would probably understand that after a while you hear one new server say one thing and there obviously biased -- they are obviously biased towards one of the other candidates. it is a little bit too much to swallow. you try to find the debates or

interviews on youtube -- that is a good resource. host: do you have a favorite political podcast? caller: i don't have a favorite. i jump around a lot. to be honest i try not to remember too many of them. i like the way bret baier did his thing with kamala yesterday. i thought that was more of the hardball questions. kamala needs to do more of those mainstream interviews. she was brave by going on fox. it is not enough.

we are not getting any serious substance from her. for me she is kind of an unknown. as far as what i can find out as far as the history of her, it does not gel with what she says. i am sorry. that is the way i see that. host: that is dug in alaska giving us his thoughts. let's hear from ralph in virginia. republican line. caller: hello. how are you doing this morning? host: i'm doing well. how about you? caller: i am doing fine. c-span is more honest than the others. what i usually watch is fox and cnn. sometimes newsmax. maybe nbc. c-span is more honest.

you have c-span and you have cnn. cnn is biased to kamala harris, fox is biased to trump. they do not report like they used to when you had those old-timers that were reporters. you have the facts now, you get their opinion and not the facts. that is the way it goes. like kamala harris, i look at both of them trying to get their views. i look at trump. as far as the views and how they're are going to solve the problems, it looks like trump is more biased than she is and she will not answer the questions. she will skirt around them whenever in and so forth. the thing she says like the

$25,000 credit to new homebuyers, she know she cannot do that, it has to go through the house. it is just terrible what we get from cnn and fox that is mostly the two i watch. i am really disappointed with them but i really appreciate c-span and i thank you for being on there and listening to us and that is about what i have to say. host: ralph in virginia giving us his thoughts. you can call the lines, you can post online, and tell us where you get political news. the viewers mentioned fox. they hosted a town hall yesterday hosting women friendly to the former president being reported. this is from the hill. "former president trump and foxes townhall call himself the father of ivf and claimed credit for the fertility treatment

conservative supreme court justices through into uncertainty by overturning roe v. wade." here's a portion from that town hall yesterday. [video clip] >> you want to talk about ivf. i am the father of ivf so i want to hit this question. >> welcome back to georgia. we are so happy you are here. we are all very blessed to be here with you. i am the mother of three small children and i have many friends who've struggled with fertility issues while trying to grow their families. while they are pro-life they are concerned the abortion bands will affect their ability to access ivf and other treatments. although abortion does lie with the states what is your stance on that and what would you say to those women? >> i got a call from katie britt, a young fantastically attractive person from alabama. she is a senator and she called me up like emergency because an alabama judge had ruled the ivf

clinics were illegal and had to be closed down. a judge ruled and she said friends of mine came up to me and they were so angry. i did not know they were going. it was fertilization. i do not know they were involved. now that they cannot do it she said i was attacked in a certain way. i said explain ivf very quickly. within about two minutes i understood. i said we are totally in favor of ivf. i came out with a statement within an hour, a really powerful statement with some experts, really powerful, and we went totally in favor. the republican party -- alabama legislature a day later overturned the judge and approved it. we are the party for ivf. we want fertilization all the way. the democrats tried to attack us on it and we are out there on

ivf even more than them. we are totally in favor of it. host: that was from fox yesterday. let's hear from mississippi, independent line. caller: i wanted to say three things. i mostly listen to npr, which i really enjoy. they're all things considered program. obviously the editorial stuff can be hit and miss like any editorial stuff. there is one thing i wish i could afford. i am on a fixed income that i cannot afford. the thing i cannot afford is the economist. if i had the resources i would love to be able to subscribe to the economist every week. i think it is a great magazine that does a great job of the big picture. the one thing i'm grateful for

-- npr is good for general coverage but if you want to learn about economic crisis or any problems in the world i think amy goodman's "democracy now!" from pacifica is beyond comparison in terms of deep dives into things like the israel/palestine war or back when the economic crash happened in 2008 they were right there from the beginning talking about it. they are great. host: i hope i said your name right. sorry about that. thanks for calling. betty is next, massachusetts. democrats line. caller: i get my news from pbs, c-span, and youtube from heather richardson who i think is absolutely brilliant. msnbc, rachel maddow and larry o'donnell. i watch fox news every day just for a few minutes to see their

opinion of anything. usually i find whatever every other station says foxes the opposite. everything on fox is to divide and scare the living daylights out of everybody. i subscribe to mother jones. i must've read at least 25 or 30 books on trump written by x republicans. i will tell you something. the thing that scares the living daylights out of me this election is if trump wins, i cannot tell you how many people are going to leave this country -- seriously, they've already made plans to leave the country. i feel like the only ones will be left will be the billionaires and the poor people like me. i am elderly, i am in my 80's, i cannot afford to leave the country. this is my biggest fear. as far as i am concerned trump is criminally insane and he tells you right on the news he

will get even. everybody is going to leave. all the journalists he threatens to put in jail and all of the jimmy kimmel live!, stephen colbert, all of these people will leave. any by that has enough money to leave will leave. host: let me ask you about a name you mentioned, heather coxe richardson. why is she worth listening to? caller: i listen to her on youtube and she has an article. she is positively brilliant. host: what did she write about or what to she talked about normally? caller: she is a presidential historian. she teaches at bu and mit and talks about what is going on. she says the republicans are not trying to win, they are trying to steal the election. they know they cannot win so that all they are doing is trying to steal it. she says do not believe the

polls. the polls are lying to you. trump wants people to think he is going to win so when harris wins they will think the election is stolen. host: betty in massachusetts. let's hear from romain in virginia. republican line. caller: i get my news from npr, "the new york times, the bbc, amy goodman's democracy now! is one of the only news outlets in america that tells the truth about what is happening in gaza and palestine with the idf. i also listen to al jazeera english outages era arabic.

-- and al jazeera arabic. they have been telling the truth about what is happening in gaza. now we have 100 american troops in israel, boots on the ground, we are going to get involved in this genocide. i also listen to amanpour and company and i read the washington post and the new york times. and i listen to washington journal, c-span. i really appreciate your program. host: thank you. that is romain in virginia. this is allie from facebook saying while it is true that most if not all news houses stretch the truth, i must

confess fox news does raise my blood pressure. i am a news junkie and iatch and read most of major news. if you are from texas in new jersey saying i have a gital subscription to the app uptimes and get political -- to the epoch times and get news from e mouth of politicians. the epoch times orts facts only. adding no fox, msnbc, cnn, abc, cbs, nbc. they are all one sided. this is glenn in new york saying he gets his political news from everywhere or else you're getting half the story. it is cnbc, newsnation, newsmax, watching our network as well. texting us as a way you can reach out and let us know your thoughts on where you get political news.

we will take your thoughts on the food lines for the next half-hour -- on the phone lines for the next half-hour. (202) 748-8001 for republicans, (202) 748-8000 democrats. independents (202) 748-8002. text us at (202) 748-8003. if you've called in the last 30 days if you can hold off on calling again. also: the line that best represents you. you are on, go ahead. caller: i am enjoying your show this morning. i get my news and information and my news source is the real news source for me as c-span. it is totally unfiltered. when they say they are unfiltered they are unfiltered. i do watch msnbc because they

are basically unbiased. newsmax and fox news prop trump up too much for me. i tried to be well-rounded as far as the news sources i get so i know what is going on. my mom used to say keep your friends close and your enemies closer. i have always had a problem with that, but it has some validity to it. i do watch. my main sources are msnbc and c-span. with c-span as far as i am concerned you cannot go wrong because as far as i am concerned they are not biased, they just tell it like it is, whether you like it or not. msnbc is basically the same

thing as far as i am concerned. they are not as thorough and unfiltered as c-span is. my first choice as far as my news source and news information will be c-span. host: thank you for calling and letting us know your thoughts. let's hear from michigan on our independent line. hello. caller: hello. i get most of my >> we will take you live to former president donald trump. live coverage on c-span. [applause] mr. trump: thank you, everybody, thank you very much. it is an honor.

they said you are not allowed to use a teleprompter and i see this beautiful teleprompter so here i am. it is a tremendous dinner, i have come here with my father many times before a long time ago, a very special dinner. you did a fantastic job. so i would like to thank -- very much and members of the clergy. speaker of the house johnson. he has done a great job. senator schumer, he used to say that is true but i gave him his first check and i was very proud

of it. no, i was, i was. it was his first check and i said he is a good man. thank you for working hard. governor holcomb wherever you may be, where is the governor? not an easy one, is it? you are doing all right. getting money from the federal government. they went after you, they went after you. nine and a half months ago i said you need to do something about the administration. he is going to be indicted and guess what happened?

but you are going to win, good luck, good luck. i don't like what they do, i don't like what they do. many friends appeared, it is great. my great friend, some of my best friends. they are distinguished and wealthy for the most part. i want to think my very beautiful wife. you believe this? she did a book and it is a good book and she worked hard on it and it became number one on the new york times. not an easy thing to do when your name is trump and you are on the new york times list. thank you, i appreciate it. a true pleasure to be with you, and amazing pleasure.

really a pleasure anywhere in new york without a subpoena for my appearance. anytime i don't get a subpoena i am very happy. they have gone after me, mr. mayor, you are peanuts compared to what they've done to me and you are going to be ok. this will be the first time in the history of this event where jokes will be fact checked and they will be. it is a long tradition, candidates attend this dinner, it's a rule. you've got to go to the dinner, you've got to do it or bad things will happen to you from up there. you cannot do what i just saw on the screen but my opponent feels

like she does not have to be here, which is disrespectful. [applause] >> the last democrat not to attend this was walter mondale and it did not go well for him. he lost 49 states, winning one, minnesota. actually it was not easy for me to get here. i was not going to miss this thing, no matter, but walter mondale, 49-1. expected to do well and it did not work out. it shows you there is a god for those people who are questioning. i understand the real reason she is not here, she is hunting with

her running mate, spending a lot of time hunting. weird, weird, weird, you know the word weird? call me weird and jd vance weird. this guy is calling us weird but it's weird that the democrat candidate is not here tonight. i want to congratulate someone who will make us healthy, rfk junior. he is campaigning, he has complained -- i love you both. doing a great job, make this a healthier place. he has got some wild ideas but most of them are good. the environment, healthy people,

healthy food. i would not have missed the dinner for anything in the world. i remember coming here as a young guy. my father freddy was a good guy. a tough cookie with a big heart. he would take out $100 and put it in 18 can and i think it's beautiful because you don't see it so much. i miss him and we used to come here very religiously. great new york tradition, born 79 years ago, born 79 years ago. there are people we are here for

at length, i know many of them, not a pretty picture. the two candidates are supposed to exchange good-natured barbs and i did not like biden much, now i like him quite a bit. i say that she is much worse than him. he was a much better candidate and when we win, i like her a lot. but right now i cannot stand her, i can't stand her. i never liked people i was competing against. we are doing well, you've got to get out and vote and catholics, you've got to vote for me. remember i'm here and she is not. i could've done that too. helping the poor, educating children, supporting the vulnerable, if you wanted harris

to accept you should have told her the funds were going to bailout looters and rioters in minneapolis and she would have been here guaranteed to, she would have been here. guaranteed. she would have been ok, she would have been ok with that. i know this is not my normal crowd because it just is not. my normal crowd is younger. has a lot more energy. you have certain advantages to, like cash, lots of cash. many of you -- i say the democrat party. chuck does not like that he likes democratic party. i always say the democrat party because it sounds worse.

and it's true, he likes democratic. why don't they just change the name. it is democrat. i was shocked when i heard that harris was skipping the dinner. we cannot get enough of her beautiful laugh. she laughs like crazy, we would recognize it anyplace in this room. i'm leaving big with the catholic vote as i should be, as i should. but i don't think, let harris has given up. she is in michigan receiving communion from gretchen witmer. that is not a pretty sight. but catholics, please do not be too insulted by her absence. if the democrats -- thank you very much appreciate it.

if the democrats wanted to have someone not be with us they would have sent joe biden. you know, he is having second thoughts. he wants to come back. if she does any worse, they're going to bring him back. chuck is going to do it, he's the one that got him out much more so then crazy nancy because i know him, he did it. joe has disappeared from view. the only way he could be seen less as if he had a show on cnn. they've got nothing. fake news, fake. they say the term is no longer in vogue. i want to tell you what the real name is and all the cameras would shut off. with harris skipping the event,

joe called, looked at me and said don't. does anybody understand that? i thought it was very good until just now. it was announced that in a moment of clarity joe told barack obama -- only a few people got that. as rush limbaugh used to say barack hussein obama, remember? he was a piece of work, we miss him. she is not as strong as me, not as strong and obama agreed. other than that i think the democrats are getting along quite well. nobody got that one. the fact is we need new leadership.

we have someone in the white house who can barely talk, barely put together two coherent sentences, who seems to have mental -- faculties of a child. a person who has nothing going, no intelligence whatsoever. but enough about, let harris. i know she is worried because she spends time complaining. i have debated twice this year, wants against biden and wants against david muir of abc. i was amazing 11 times, none for the other side. i don't know what's going to happen three weeks from now. it will be very interesting. to just start, actually isn't it sort of exciting?

just exciting what's going on. it is a process. not so pretty, yet sometimes very beautiful. democrats are starting to panic, they are panicking because votes are coming in strong. chuck schumer is here looking very glum. doesn't he? he looks glum. but look on the bright side considering how woke your party has become if she loses you still have a chance to become the first woman president. and do you mind if i do that? he goes do what you've got to do. he is a pro, he's a pro. he's a good man, i hate to say it.

don't use it against me. this dinner and set me back what i said i've known him for a long time. there is a group of white dudes for harris, have you seen this? are you here? i'm not worried about them because their wives and wives lovers are voting for me. every one of those people. as you may have seen harris did an interview on fox, it went so poorly for her that democrats have been forced to install another 100 drop boxes throughout the state. and the upside is she sees the benefit of deportation. she is vicious, she wants to deport people including brett baer of fox.

the major issue is childcare and she put forward a concept of a plan. the only advice i have in the event that she wins is not to let her husband anywhere near the nannies. just keep him away. that's a nasty one, that's a nasty one. they told me last time i did this i was running against crooked hillary -- i mean hillary. i was running against crooked hillary and i thought it was a roast. i had the meanest guy you've ever seen right stuff up in the room was angry. i went overboard, that was terrible and i knew i was in

trouble because even my own side was angry, they said it's too much. but i did it anyway. campaigning can take a toll on a family and family life although i hear harris and her husband carve out beautiful alone time for an intimate dinner, just doug, her and the teleprompter that she uses quite well. she would not have liked this if she was told no teleprompter. they've never had a teleprompter in the history of this dinner i told to the gardener and then a teleprompter. must be a very important comedian. they gave you one but not me. how about that one? i'm supposed to tell a few self-deprecating jokes so here

it goes. nope, i've got nothing. i've got nothing. there is nothing to say. i guess i just do not see the point in taking shots at myself when other people have been shooting at me for a long time. they say about presidents that andrew jackson was a president who was the most mean. his wife died of heart ache, heartbroken at the way they treated him and second was abraham lincoln but he was in charge of the civil war. injured jackson up until me, now they say it is not even close. never been a president treated so badly and people are not happy but i was treated rough.

i don't mind it, it is just part of the game. i would like to thank our mc, jim gaffigan. he has been playing two malls on saturday night live in that will be a very short guy hope, but it was fun while it lasted. let's see how that lasts. it better be quick. i'm not going to say anymore but unfortunately the governor is not here. but don't worry, he'll say that he was. i used to think democrats were crazy for saying men have per iods, but then i met two walls. it is so bad now that the other day i was watching the view and i thought they need to bring rosie o'donnell back.

that show is bad, those people are bad. i want to tell you, i would like to say ratings are important. it does not do very well. i see all the usual suspects. i like to poke fun at eric but i want to be nice because i know what it's like to be persecuted by the doj for speaking out against open borders. we were persecuted, i was persecuted and so were you. dietary restrictions are well known but i've never met a person who liked turkey so much. something about him with turkey, i just found that out today. i have not been in new york very much. another former mayor with us,

easily the worst in our history. and -- i can tell you. i'm surprised that they were able to make it, he was a terrible mayor. he was a terrible mayor. he did a horrible -- he did a horrible job. that is not comity, that is fact. but he does not have to worry about criminals, they owe him big. he let them get away with a lot of stuff. i had better wrap up because mayor adams said i needed to make this quick. the sea reserved this room for a large group of illegal aliens from texas. they have reserved many rooms, and a lot of rooms, too many rooms. it's an honor to be here to

support the city and community, a great community that i love. it is going to make a big comeback and i will help it. i'm going to win and make a comeback, turn this thing around. i want to pay tribute to a man who is a tremendous politician and the fact that he was catholic did him in, nobody knows for sure. but he was a great guy, al smith. i've said before, i'll say again, if i have the honor to be elected next month, we're going to see what happens. it's happening so fast. but if i have the honor, i look forward to working together to make this city greater than ever before. we're going to do that. we're going to be focused on the