state. in delaware when we had the crisis when we switched governors i was on the committee with melanie george smith and we did a line item audit, one line at a time with 12 only -- other people and we saved $150 million and that's the numbers you are talking about in the state, not 5 million. there's a big difference in understanding the mechanism will for your doing and how big you need to handle the budget and how much you don't know but you are writing a 100 page book on how to solve problems. what i would suggest is simple, create an environment that we are fiscally responsible in solving problems simultaneously. i give you an example, we have the biggest growing senior population, may be than florida after the storms. and we have no health care. we don't have enough doctors, we don't have enough nurses, we don't have enough anything in those fields.

we've been talking about the partnership with jefferson. delaware needs its own medical school, its own medical school hospital. it doesn't have to be one of our three hospitals or schools but it could be a relationship with several. you bring them to the table and you talk about the problem, you get the solution and guess what happens? we start building our own people. tom: we have limited time left. from here on out i'm asking to limit your answers to one minute. talk fast. in june 2023 long makers -- lawmakers proposed a compromise bill. would you support further changes and if so are there areas that need to be addressed and if not, why not? mr. ramone: there's nothing more

important in delaware than the safety of our officers into their ability to enhance the safety of citizens. before i do anything, i believe we wrote a great bill. i think we had a lot of compromise and quite frankly i think we need to get our police force back up to 100%. the county and state police force are both seriously depleted, we need to get them the amount of people they need to do their jobs before we hold expectations that are difficult for them to implement. we need training and support and we need to help police and we need to constantly be reconfiguring how we are doing things and how they can be more customer friendly. i would suggest simply that the police and governor need to be able to work together as a team. i think i have the ability to do that, getting endorsements from just about every police force, it's an important role. mr. meyer: one of the most

important things government does is provide public safety. by changes we made to the county police, the second-largest largest police agency in the state, gun violence is down in areas policed by newcastle police 44% come in nearly have. we incorporated mental health and substance use into policing like never before. we incorporated police transparency, started one of the first police accountability boards of any agency in the state of delaware. as our communities changed, policing needs to change and that includes increased accountability. i appreciate the amendments that were made. we will continue monitoring them and ensure we are doing everything to keep communities safe, to keep officers safe, and also to make sure officers acting outside the law are held accountable not by other police officers by the public. sarah: the aging population is

increasing, and concerns about mistreatment in long-term care increased, along with a 75% increased on the adults on the registry. how do you support our aging be cared for in assisted living facilities and attract high quality health care workers? mr. meyer: thank you. one element of an advanced society as how people age. i spent time in iraq in wartime and one thing implanted in my brain and heart is seeing people age there uncared for, often on the streets. need to make sure that at a time when social security is less solid than ever, the challenges of attracting workforce to work at senior care facilities is harder than ever, that we

continue to allow people like my own parents to age with dignity and support. we will prioritize not only making sure private health insurance is funding programs like this but make sure our friends and relatives and neighbors on medicaid, the vulnerable among us, can get services. mr. ramone: quickly, i think you got to do what you say and say what you do. when you are talking about having seniors age in place but you vote yourself a pay raise and have the highest tax increase in the last eight years , i think there's a problem. mr. meyer: false, i never voted for a pay raise. mr. ramone: the point is very simple. they need to be able to age in place. if you keep putting pressure on taxes that keep going up in the county they can do that. i proposed three times in a row

we have a bill for our seniors that enables them to reach a certain age, 65 or maybe 70, we have to do the math, the property tax freeze. my mom and dad are knocking to be able to stay in their house in new castle county because of the incredible increases. i don't know if all of the re-appraisals have gone out yet but i think it will be difficult on seniors to age in place when you don't do that, and the medical school bringing and staff. tom: our final question is about gun safety laws. a poll found 62% of delaware and somewhat or strongly favor creating more laws to regular cone ownership -- gun ownership. it's being challenged in court. are there gun safety measures you would consider? mr. ramone: i voted against

permit to purchase because it's unconstitutional and it's currently in court. they will figure it out. i've done that five times on bills people think we should put our names on but i'm not going to put my name on a bill that violates the constitution. however, i'm very proud, i checked before tonight, i have the most gun safety favorable voting record in my entire caucus in our house. and better than many democrats. i'm proud of that because i don't feel i'm bought or paid by anyone, i don't have anybody giving me tons of money to vote a certain way. do what's best for delaware and if it is a smart gun bill, vote for it. i'm not a big hunter, i've never shot an animal, i have learned a little bit about guns. but as you said, is not about me, it's about people having the freedom and flexibility to do what they can do in a safe state they control, not me. tom: what gun safety measures if any would you pursue as governor? mr. meyer: 11 years ago i stood

at the corner of fourth and washington street in wilmington as one of my students crumbled to his mother because his father had been shot in their basement days before by a handgun. while i was there teaching trying to support students, not just one but many whose lives were devastated by gun violence. mr. ramone has been taking money from the nra. need to prioritize people and making sure everyone is safe. in an advanced society we don't have weapons of war that can be brought to school. i will do everything in my power to keep our children safe and that includes additional gun regulation. tom: that concludes our time available for questions. i want to give both of you a chance to offer concluding thoughts. >> we will leave the last couple of minutes of the delaware debate but you can watch it at c-span.org/campaign.

we take you to grand rapids, michigan for a rally with democratic presidential nominee, vice president kamala harris. ♪ vp harris: good afternoon, michigan! good afternoon! give it up for brian! [applause] good afternoon, michigan. [laughter] [cheering and applause] it's good to be back. [cheering and applause]

good afternoon. [laughter] oh my goodness. ok. [laughter] thank you. let's get to business. thank you, thank you. thank you all. it's good to be back. thank you, thank you, ok let's get to work. let's get to work. let me first thank all of you for taking time out of your very busy lives for us to be together this afternoon. i thank you so very much for all you do, all you've done and all you will do over the next 18 days. thank you all so very much. [cheering and applause]

this is an incredible group of incredible leaders and your voice matters so much right now. i think there's so much about our campaign that is about the spirit of reminding everyone we are all in this together, we are all in this together. [applause] thank you. and to all of the governors here with us today. . [cheering and applause] i'm telling you, they are riding thick. they are incredible leaders for a state and nation and i think you all, including michigan's own governor whitmer! [cheering and applause] who we love! [cheering and applause]

and to the governors i want to say, you've been traveling the country for our campaign and i'm so deeply grateful for your support. i also want to recognize senator stabenow, a champion for michigan, your representative who we will reelect for the united states congress, and while we are at it, let's send another representative to the united states senate! [cheering and applause] all right, so we have work to do. 18 days. 18 days left in one of the most consequential elections of our lifetime. as you know and everyone knows, this election is truly about two very different visions for our nation. our side is focused on the future.

donald trump's is focused on the past. hours focused on wringing down the cost of living for working families and investing in small businesses and entrepreneurs, about protecting reproductive freedom. [cheering and applause] but none of that is what we hear from donald trump. instead it is just the same old tired playbook. he has no plan for how he would address the needs of the american people and we've seen only focused on himself. now he is ducking debates and canceling interviews. [booing] his own campaign team recently said it's because of exhaustion. [crowd murmuring]

if you're exhausted on the campaign trail it raises real questions about whether you are fit for the toughest job in the world. [cheering and applause] come on. come on. for all these reasons and more, we are here because we know it's time to turn the page. it's time to turn the page because america is ready to chart a new way forward. america is ready for a new and optimistic generation of leadership that is all of us. [cheering and applause] which is why democrats, republicans and independents are supporting our campaign. [cheering and applause] earlier this week, over 100 republican leaders from across the country joined me on the campaign trail, including some who even served in donald

trump's own administration. [cheering and applause] the people who know him best, right? i believe all of this shows the american people want a president who works for all the people. that has been the story of my entire career. i've only ever had one client, the people. as a young courtroom prosecutor, i protected women and children, as attorney general of california, i fought for students and veterans, as vice president i have stood up for workers and seniors, and as president i will stand up for all americans. all americans. [cheering and applause] together we will build a brighter future for our nation.

yes we will. by the way, we will win. [cheering and applause] we will win. come on. [crowd chanting "usa"] and we will win and one of the reasons we know we are working hard toward that win is because we believe together in building a future and what we can do together as a nation, and a nation of people who see what we have in common more than what separates us. we will rebuild toward a future where we have an economy that works for all americans. we will build an opportunity economy so that every american

has an opportunity to own a home , buy a car, build wealth and start a business. do we have any small business owners here? [cheering and applause] i love our small businesses. i have a plan for you, i love our small businesses. they are part of the backbone of america's economy. bless you all for the work you are doing. under my plan we will also bring down the cost of housing. [cheering and applause] and we will help entrepreneurs start and grow small businesses. my plan will expand medicare to cover the cost of home health care for seniors. [cheering and applause] so that more of our seniors can live with dignity. i will give you a little background, i took care of my mother when she was sick. any of you taking care of an elder relative, you know what

that is. it's about trying to cook something they can eat, it's about trying to find clothes that can handle on their skin, it's about trying to thing about something that will put a smile on their face and maybe make them laugh. it's about dignity. under the current system and especially for those raising young kids while taking care of your parents, it is difficult. under the current system to get help while taking care of seniors, unless you have extra money sitting around, you have to leave your job or pay down all of your savings to qualify for medicaid. that's not right. i'm saying let's have medicare cover the cost of home health care for our seniors. [cheering and applause] which is a matter of

understanding how real people are living and understanding the importance of everyone being entitled to dignity! [cheering and applause] our plan in terms of an opportunity economy will lower costs on everything from health care to groceries. i will take on corporate price gouging because i've done it before and i will do it again. [cheering and applause] my plan will also give middle-class tax cuts to 100 million americans, including $6,000 tax credit for the first year of a child's life so our young parents can do what they naturally want to do, which is parent their children well but they don't always have the resources to be able to do it. let's help them out so they can buy a car seat, so they can buy a crib, so they can take care of that baby's needs during that

critical phase of their development. we all benefit from it! we all benefit from it!. [cheering and applause] dignity. my plan also invests in american manufacturing and innovation because i will make sure america, not china, wins the competition for the 21st century. [cheering and applause] [crowd chanting "usa"] that's right. to that point, we all say we must and we will invest in the industries that built america like steel, iron and the great american auto industry. [cheering and applause]

and we will ensure the next generation of breakthroughs, from advanced batteries to electric vehicles, are not just invented but built here in america by american union workers. [cheering and applause] michigan, i know i'm going to tell you what you already know, but let's be clear for the folks watching across the country. contrary to what my opponent is suggesting, i will never tell you what kind of car you have to drive, but here is what i will do -- i will invest in manufacturing communities like kent county. [cheering and applause] together we will retool existing factories, higher locally and work with unions to create good paying jobs. [cheering and applause]

including jobs that do not require a college degree because here is where i come from -- i know a college degree is not the only measure of the skills and experience of a qualified worker! [cheering and applause] and i intend to re-examine federal jobs when you all elect me president to assess those jobs that should not have that requirement and i intend to challenge the private sector to do the same. [cheering and applause] all of this is to say, donald trump has a different approach. he makes big promises and he always fails to deliver. remember he said he was the only 1 -- you know how he talks.

the only one who could bring back american manufacturing jobs. then america lost almost 200,000 manufacturing jobs when he was president. fact. including tens of thousands of jobs here in michigan. those losses started before the pandemic. making donald trump one of the biggest losers of manufacturing jobs in american history. and his track record for the auto industry was a disaster. he promised workers that the auto industry, i will quote, not lose one plant. those were his words.

then american automakers announced the closures of six auto plants when he was president, including in warren and detroit. thousands of michigan auto workers lost their jobs. donald trump's running mate recently suggested if they win, they would threaten the grand river assembly plant in lansing, ok? [booing] the same plant our administration protected earlier this year, saving 650 union jobs. [cheering and applause] 650 union jobs. his running mate called those table scraps. we fought hard for those jobs. we believe you deserve a president who will protect them and not insult them. and make no mistake, donald

trump is no friend of labor. let's be really clear about that. no matter what the noise is out there. he is no friend of labor. just look at the record. not his rhetoric, look at the record. he encouraged automakers to move their plants out of michigan so they could pay workers less. understand what that was about. so they could pay their workers less. when the uaw went on strike to demand the higher wages they deserve, donald trump went to a nonunion shop. [booing] and attacked the uaw. he said striking and collective bargaining don't make "a dam bit since --a damn bit of

difference" is what he said. all right, brother. [laughter] michigan, you know better. strong unions mean higher wages, better health care and greater dignity for union members and for everyone whether or not you are part of a union! [cheering and applause] get that straight! which is why when i am president i will sign the pro avenue into law and make it easier for workers to join unions and negotiate for better pay and working conditions. [cheering and applause] now donald trump is making the

same empty promises to the people of michigan he did before , hoping you will forget how he let you down the last time. but we will not be fooled. we know how to read project 2025. for those who haven't seen it, just google it. i have to keep repeating, i can't believe they put that in writing. they put it -- they bound it. they published it and handed it out! and now they are trying to run from it, come on! we have read it, it's a detailed and dangerous blueprint for what donald trump intends to do if he were elected president. that's why we know, not only because it's what he did before, that's why we know donald trump will give billion years and corporations massive tax cuts.

a text -- attacks unions, cut social security and medicare, get rid of the hard-fought, hard-won $35 cap on insulin for seniors. [booing] check out what is in it. it will make it easier for companies to deny overtime pay for workers. and impose what i call a trump sales tax which is basically, he's talking about at least a 20% tax on everyday necessities, which economists have said will cost the average family nearly $4000 more per year. [booing] on top of this, donald trump intends to into the affordable care act and has no plan to replace it. you watched the debate. you remember.

he has no concept of a plan. concept of a plan! he is going to threaten the health insurance of -- we need a medic over here, we need a medic over here. clear a path so they can come through please. and we've got jokes over here grounded in reality. you ok? ok, we are ok, thank you. [cheering and applause] we are good. where i was going with that, i do believe that donald trump is an unserious man and the

consequences of him ever getting back into the white house are brutally serious. on the point of concepts of a plan, we thought it was ridiculously hilarious when we first heard it, but here is the thing about that --he will basically threaten the health insurance of 40 five million people based on a concept and take us back to when people could deny --when insurance companies could deny people with pre-existing conditions. we are not going back. we are not going back. we are not going back. we are not going back. and we are not going back because we intend to move rw