but let's go back to what this conflict is really about. it's not so much between the palestinian people and israel. it's really between iran and israel. and the u.s.. around controls obama's and hezbollah. they are both funded. senator baldwin not only voted for the deal that president obama allowed iran to lift the sanctions and get cash payments that fueled isis and terrorism. president trump put in crushing sanctions and had around on its back. senator baldwin goes back and votes for the deal that joe biden lifted the sanctions that funded terrorism. that's why we are in this war today. moderator: senator? sen. baldwin: yes. a little over a year ago on october 7, we saw a horrible terrorist attack on israel. 1200 people dead. rape was used as a weapon of

war. hostages were taken. israel has the right to defend itself. but as we've seen this war unfold, we've also seen untold civilian casualties. children, women. we have to help foster a path towards cease-fire. so that the hostages can be released and so that humanitarian aid can be searched into gaza. i'm hopeful that with the confirmed death now of the hamas leader, that we will have a path to that piece. and keep some hope alive of the two state solution in the region. moderator: let's move to another foreign policy issue, ukraine. that question is going to come from neil. >> the focus now is ukraine.

since ukraine was invaded by russia, the u.s. administration and other nato allies have been strong supporters of ukraine. should whomever the new president is stay that course you both -- stay the course? you will have 60 seconds. sen. baldwin: this conflict is truly about democracy versus dictatorship. and we have to stand on the side of democracy. vladimir putin is a dictator. he illegally invaded a sovereign democratic nation. the free world stood up to ukraine's defense. that's what's at stake here. if putin were allowed to run through ukraine without our backing ukrainian troops, who is next? a nato country? poland? that would mean u.s. boots on the ground. we need to stay the course.

but it seems that donald trump doesn't know the difference between our allies and our enemies. eric hovde would have voted against the legislation to fund ukrainian weaponry. mr. hovde: look, i think the war in ukraine is a direct result of the absolute failure and how we left afghanistan. we pulled out our troops. we left a key strategic military base. we left americans behind to die. 13 marines died that day. afghan allies that supported us. there's a reason why you saw them running, falling to their death. we also lost billions of military equipment behind. because of that, i think our adversaries move. putin on ukraine. they ran through their proxies on israel. china is getting more aggressive. as it pertains to ukraine, the white house said to them, you

are getting ready to park 17 f-15s. if you train the ukrainians how to use that aircraft, russia will not have air superiority. we should have done that. we could have done things to prevent the war from even beginning. moderator: your time is up. i'm going to return to the specific question. i believe we heard from senator baldwin to stay the course in supporting ukraine. specifically, i will ask you, are you in agreement with that idea or not? she's going to have 30 wrist -- 30 seconds to respond. mr. hovde: sure. do i think that vladimir putin is an absolutely evil man? absolutely. but i think we need to try to find a way to get to peace. sadly what's happening in ukraine is wiping out

generations of their people and turning a lot of their cities into rubble. while i was supportive of ukraine at first, the amounts of tens of billions of dollars that have gone to ukraine that are not accountable causes great concern for me. so i don't think we should continue to fund endlessly money into ukraine. sen. baldwin: i strongly support backing ukraine. this is really literally about democracy versus dictatorship. because of those brave soldiers in ukraine, we don't have any boots on the ground in the region. had we not supported ukraine, where is russia going next? poland? we have to stand on the side of democracy. eric hovde would have voted against the measure that helped fund the ukrainian effort. moderator: thank you both. we are now coming back to a domestic issue.

we are going to talk about farming. >> congress has failed to approve a new farm bill which expired at the end of last month. this puts funding at risk for agricultural subsidies paid to wisconsin farmers and the supplemental nutrition assistance program. what will it take for each of you to vote on a new farm bill? 60 seconds. mr. hovde: well i'm not an expert on the farm bill because i'm not button -- in the u.s. senate. i can't opine specifically on all aspects of the farm bill. one of the promise i have -- problems i have is that they are masquerading as farm bill's. while they address the needs of farmers, a lot of the bills are funding big corporations. farm bill's need to get back for farmers. let me tell you what i hear from farmers. if you drive around the state, you see my signs on every farm.

i've been on so many different farms. what are they talking about? regulations constantly. the kind of regulations that senator baldwin and her allies continue to push on. one of the big ones they are concerned about being passed is waters of the united states. all the implications that has. as many farmers will say, if you stay out of my way, i know how to care for my land and do proper farming. sen. baldwin: the farm bill is balance. we need to provide that certainty to wisconsin farmers. they are eager to have congress pass a new farm bill. they need the consistency that a farm bill has. one of the problems with the farm bill right now is that the house controlled by republicans has written a bill that's basically if a serrated nutrition programs. farmers support nutrition programs because it means purchasing their goods. i just want to say that the plan

would revert and reset spending levels back to the last decade. that plan would cut the u.s. department of agriculture by 34% . that's not standing up for our farmers. i was proud to receive the wisconsin farm bureau endorsement. i'm the first democrat in nearly 20 years. as for the hard work i've done on behalf of our farmers and dairy in particular. moderator: i would like to remind the viewers that our data team is posting information about things like the farm bill and all of the other topics that have been researched for this debate on the debbie ba debate website. you can look those up if you would like to extend your knowledge as well. alright. we are going to move to the environment. we are talking now about fast contamination. >> several areas are struggling

with contamination. chemicals linked to cancer, changes in the capitalism, and lower birth rates. so much so that in communities that i cover in la crosse county they've been relying on bottled water for more than three years because of dangerous levels in well water. what do you believe the rules should be in preventing the problem from getting worse while supporting communities dealing with it right now? you have 60 seconds. sen. baldwin: thank you. these chemicals are sometimes byproducts of manufacturing. they are also a component of firefighting foam that is in almost every airport. i'm glad you mention the situation in la crosse. in la crosse, they have a municipal water system that's able to filtrate the chemicals. on the island where the airport is, everyone has private wells. i work closely with that community as well as with la

crosse including providing federal funds that were approved in the bipartisan infrastructure bill. eric hovde would have opposed the bipartisan infrastructure bill. that funding that i secured for communities across the state would not have been available. i'm proud to help lead the efforts to remediate those chemicals across the state. moderator: your approach to the contamination? mr. hovde: look. i've been a member and a supporter of the clean likes alliance. i grew up on lake mendota. i swim, waterski, fish. i love our lakes. it is so important that we make sure our water is safe and secure. so yes. do we need to make sure from a regulatory standpoint that any of these chemicals that are having an impact need to get addressed in cleanup efforts?

absolutely. senator baldwin constantly goes to say i would have voted against this and that. the reason why i would have voted against a lot of these issues is really simple. it's because we are breaking our country apart financially. we are driving ourselves off the cliff. that's why inflation got ignited. that's why the price of food has gone up, the price of rent, health care, car insurance. because of reckless spending that she's been engaging in. moderator: again, i'm going to point you to solutions and propose solutions which is what the question was. so you have 30 seconds then to respond about that. what solutions do you propose? moderator: -- mr. hovde: the government needs to regulate any kind of chemical that is contaminating our well water and put forth cleanup efforts. that's exactly what i said.

moderator: ok. thank you. you can have that same response time. sen. baldwin: so i talked about some of my work to help communities remediate when these chemicals have been found in their water supply. i'm also a sponsor of a bipartisan bill called the healthy h2o act. that would provide grants to allow private well owners across the state and rural areas to test their water, to test. many people aren't able to test to make sure they have clean drinking water. moderator: all right. we are covering a lot of territory today. now we are going straight to washington and the supreme court. >> the marquette law school pull out this week finds 90% of those polled support code of ethics for the supreme court justices. while the court did adopt a code late last year, it's been criticized because it lacks

accountability by allowing justices to police themselves. among the proposed responses, the adoption of a code with more teeth as well as 18 year term limits for the supreme court justices. what if any new rules do you support for the supreme court? please start our 62nd responses. mr. hovde: i think we should have a code of ethics for the justices. i don't think they should be engaging in any kind of private investment in the stock market while they serve in that capacity. i understand the desire to have a term limit. i'm supportive of term limits. i think career politicians should have term limits. in fact, when we talk about a code of ethics, this is a very important point to get from the get-go, i said i'm not going to take special interest money. i won't be owned by anyone. unlike senator baldwin who not only has taken massive amounts of special interest money some

-- from big pharma and big tech, but her partner on wall street is investing in big tech and big pharma. a committee she oversees. they don't disclose those investments and how much they are profiting from it. that's fundamentally wrong and you should disclose what investments your partner is making. moderator: thank you. the question on the supreme court? sen. baldwin: first i need to talk about what eric hovde just said. he should stay out of my personal life. i think i speak for most women that he should stay out of all of our personal lives. with regard to the supreme court of the united states, there is no trust anymore. when we saw the exposes about clarence thomas and others going on private planes to exotic locations, when we hear stories that private interests have paid off mortgages and vehicle loans,

that's outrageous. we need a binding, tough standard of ethics and conduct. we are also very distrustful of the court because we saw three trump appointed nominees lie to the judiciary committee about their respect for precedent. i think an examination of term limits for the supreme court in a way that doesn't advantage one party or the other would be an advisable policy. moderator: thank you. we are going to move on to voting rights. >> there's a patchwork of election laws across the country , weaving concern about the potential unequal access to the ballot box. what role should the federal government play in increasing voter confidence while under -- also ensuring that the election process is safe and accessible? >> and that question goes to?

>> senator baldwin, you have 60 seconds. sen. baldwin: thank you. voting rights are so critical. at the state level including here in wisconsin, we have seen laws passed to make it harder for some to vote. the expression, some people don't want some people to vote. my opponent has talked about people in nursing homes. i think the exact quote was, people in nursing homes have five or six months to live. they are at no point to vote. my grandmother broke her hip and voted in my first congressional election from her nursing home. but the voting rights act has been eviscerated by the united states supreme court. we've got to add back the provisions that were lopped off by the supreme court.

we have to pass at the federal level laws that guarantee access and disclosure. mr. hovde: first i have to go back to the last comment. i could care less about your personal life. when your partner is investing in companies that you are overseeing and you are not disclosing that, that's an absolute conflict of interest. as it pertains to voting rights, look. we have to create confidence in our voting system. it's causing too much tension in our country. let me tell you, it doesn't help when our state supreme court brings back drop boxes when those were only used for a pandemic. why are they being brought back? i have an important question for senator baldwin. there's a bill before the senate that would bar non-us citizens from voting and elections. but you have not taken a position on that. i will give up my time. are you going to vote for that

provision that would stop non-us citizens from voting in our elections? sen. baldwin: i will take those three minutes. it's already illegal for people who are noncitizens to vote in federal elections. moderator: your time is up. sen. baldwin: it's already the law. moderator: both of your time is up. information about voting is available on our debate website. we are going to look now. you mentioned -- previously. demented it -- you mentioned it in relationship. let's talk about that. >> the wisconsin department reported last year, fentanyl is identified in 91% of opioid overdose deaths. the synthetic drug is making its way through legal ports at the southern border. a senior official with the u.s. custom and border agency states

that two thirds of those arrested for smuggling the drug are americans. what bipartisan strategy would you suggest to curb the flow into the u.s. and address community-based treatment and prevention programs? you both have 60 seconds. mr. hovde: this is an issue i started talking about before i got into this election. we lost 108,000 elections last year to this poison. 112,000 a year before. it's the number one leading cause of death in 18 to 45-year-olds. it's devastating communities all over the place. my 26-year-old daughter has known five people in her college or frowned -- friends who have died from this poison. you are exactly right. it's late into a lot. what do we need to do? it is produced in china. we have to take heart sanctions

against china and hold them accountable. we have to close the southern border were a lot of this pours over. we have to stiffen sentencing laws. if you are caught lacing pills with sentinel, you should go away into jail for the rest of your life. you are killing people. washington has done nothing about it. senator baldwin has done nothing about this crisis. moderator: senator baldwin, your turn. sen. baldwin: this is a personal issue for me. my mother struggled with addiction to prescription pain pills. when i first came to the senate, the opioid crisis was the overprescribing of things like oxycontin and oxycodone. we have passed many sweeping reforms, particularly in the v.a., that has reduced the number of these pills that are prescribed. heroin came next.

and then fentanyl. my first bill on fentanyl was introduced eight years ago. eric hovde somehow thinks he's the first person who has ever focused on this problem. we need to get narcan, the overdose reversal drug, deployed statewide. i've been a leader in making sure that our first responders have it accessible. moderator: thank you. we don't have much time left. we will give you a question that only takes 30 seconds. it has to do with bipartisanship. that question is going to come from shannon. >> we hear from voters who say they are tired of gridlock in washington and want their representative to be willing to work across the aisle. in the spirit of bipartisanship, we are going to ask both of you to name a contemporary elected official from the other party that you consider to be a role

model for consensusbuilding. you will get six he seconds. mr. hovde: sadly, the democratic party just lost one that was fantastic at it and that was joe manson -- joe manchin. it would be nice if senator baldwin could exhibit some of that. she pointed -- voted 95% of the time with president biden and rarely reaches across the aisle. in the world of business, you have to reach across the aisle. you have to compromise. you are not are going to get anything done. when i become your next senator, i promise you i will reach across the aisle, go meet with all the senators on the other side. sen. baldwin: i would name susan collins. our committee is chaired by pauly -- patty murray. susan collins is the ranking republican member. we have passed almost all of our bills out of committee on a

bipartisan basis. i fight for wisconsin and only wisconsin which means i will work with republicans or democrats. republican administrations are democratic administrations to get the job done for wisconsin but also stand up to them if necessary. sen. baldwin: i told you both -- moderator: i told you both there would be time to respond so we will go to the last question which we call defending your record. >> throughout the campaign and in this debate, you've heard criticisms you may believe were inaccurate or unfair. would you elect -- would you like to respond to them? here's your chance. you each have 60 seconds. by the coin toss, eric hovde goes first. mr. hovde: this is the last question? moderator: yes. mr. hovde: there are so many lies senator baldwin has made up. she has perfected the art of lying. she takes what i've said and

puts it on the context and tries to say i'm saying something different than i said. you've heard it on social security. she always tries to run around the fact that we have gone into a debt crisis that's created the inflation and the problems that so many people are experiencing that are hammering the livelihoods of multiple wisconsinites. i entered into this race because i love my country. i love america. we've been blessed to live in this wonderful country. our country has gone in the wrong direction. you can stay with senator baldwin his been in washington for 26 years. do you think you are better off than you were four years ago or even 26 years ago? i think it's time for a change. i promise you, i will work hard on your behalf and i would be honored to have your vote. sen. baldwin: i fight for wisconsin and only for wisconsin. that is something i take great pride in. eric hovde just said something

about lying. independent fact checkers have fact-check tim 19 times with 19 falsehoods. keep that in mind when you listen to him. he's made assertions about my personal life. i want to talk about his professional life. eric hovde owns a 3 billion-dollar california bank. a $7 million laguna beach home. he's been named among the more influential residents of orange county three years in a row. we have a green county wisconsin. we don't have an orange county, wisconsin. look. this election is about regaining our rights and freedoms. this election is about helping working people get ahead. not supporting a $4 trillion tax cut for the rich and big corporations. i ask for your vote. moderator: thank you so much.

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stephanie baker of bloomberg news looks at the global impact of u.s. economic lead tensions against russia following vladimir putin's invasion of ukraine. she has interviewed by author angela stent. "after words" is a weekly program with relevant guest hosts interviewing top nonfiction authors about their latest work. her on this book. it's a terrific read. it's gripping. it's absorbing. and it's a really important account of the challenges that the west has faced in sanctioning a country as large as russia, one that was as much integrated into the global economy as it was. and to use these sanctions to punish russia for its unprovoked

invasion of ukraine, full scale in february of 2022 and and all of difficulties that have accompanied that. the book is based on ms. baker's own personal experiences as a reporter in russia and then the interviews that she's done with scores of people, all of the important characters in this drama. so i want you to order it, to buy it, to read it, because you will really enjoy it and you'll learn a great deal. as i did, too. and it will really help you understand these very and challenging times that we live at. so my first question, i think is going to be an obvious one. why did you decide to write this book? what was your motivation here? right. well, as soon as the full scale invasion happened, i realized it was the end of an era and one that would sort of bookend my career in a weird way that i'd