to clarify. supporting a specific policy, what efforts would you take if you are elected to try to lower costs for nevada consumers? 15 seconds. >> everything moves through again, everything moves through energy. our fuel price. we need to prioritize cheaper, more efficient and reliable energy supplies. that's going to drive down the cost of everything. not raising taxes like what happened at the end of 2025. if senator rosen stays in power along with kamala harris. and also reducing regulations. this administration has raised regulations that add to the cost of everything. again, our grocery stores are not -- our locally owned grocery stores are not gouging us. >> can i have 15 seconds to respond? >> yes, 15 seconds to respond. >> well, what i'd like to tell you is that nevada is the leader in the sustainable energy future with wind, water, solar and geothermal. we have more solar jobs per capita than any state in the

nation with thousands of jobs. we have critical minerals, the only active lithium mine in north america. and i can tell you there are billions of dollars that have come in investments to northern nevada because of nevada lithium. >> we will talk about clean energy and other efforts later on in the program here. we would like to stay on the economy here though. back in june, former president trump first proposed his no taxes on tips idea right here in las vegas. and since then, republicans and democrats have supported the idea but in different forms. but the committee for responsible federal budget estimates it would cost the nation more than $450 billion in lost tax revenue. so, we will start with you, mr. brown. who do you think should qualify for this no taxes on tips policy? you have one minute to respond. >> look, we have thousands ands how to of hardworking nevadans

right here that would benefit from this policy. at the end of the day some people may want to dismiss it. i'm glad this is something that i think there's a bipartisan opportunity for us to work together on. and i'm glad that senator rosen has supported it as well. but at the end of the day, tax on tips is not the only thing we need to eliminate. we also need to do the right thing for our seniors and you lemonade taxes on -- eliminate taxes on social security benefits. you know if we eliminate tax on tips and social security benefits, that could be the difference between someone not being able to pay their rent, not being able to afford their groceries, or having that stable life. so i think we need to eliminate both of those. >> mr. brown, the question was specifically about the no taxes on tips policy. and who should qualify for this policy. 15 seconds to answer that. >> look, again, if you're receiving tips, then you ought to be not have to pay taxes on those tips. this is something that clearly as a result of the economy that we have, the higher prices that senator rosen has voted for, people are desperate and this is a policy that will give them the ability to keep things together. >> that's time, mr. brown.

thank you. ms. rosen, same question for you. who do you think should qualify from this no taxes on tips policy? >> i can tell you i put myself through college as a waitress, i was a member of culinary union 226 as a young woman. i was grateful for the union and the job. it's the first time our entire las vegas strip actually is union. so we have -- i'm actually chair of the senate committee for tourism, 25% of our hospitality workers -- of our workers are in hospitality in nevada, a heavily tipped industry. we need to make sure servers, bartenders and waitresses have the opportunity for no tax on tips. we also need to address the subminimum wage. in other places, servers make average of three dollars, $4 an hour. it's not a livable wage. tips are variable. the other thing we have to do is make sure we put in guardrails so that giant corporations, the greedy ceo's that are ripping you off making record profit

quarter after quarter don't decide the salary or bonus is a tip and they don't pay taxes. so, i do believe we have to make an actual definition of who the servers are, or bartenders, however we defined that, get that benefit. >> ms. rosen, thank you. should the policy if it goes through, only apply to hospitality workers? 15 seconds. >> i think that we have to look more broadly at who gets tips and so we do know that servers, typically, in restaurant, bartenders, waitresses and the like are probably the most heavily tipped in this country. so we can start there. we can also have a discussion and analysis and see if there are other industries that also work heavily in tips. >> ms. rosen, thank you very much. >> something you both already touched on, the housing market, and certainly the housing shortage we have here in nevada. take a look at this graphic. it reflects a recent study by unlv that southern nevada needs about 80,000 more affordable homes.

in fact, about 90% of the land in nevada is owned by the federal government. you both agree more of that land should be released so we can have construction. but you certainly have very different ideas when it comes to how that land can be used. ms. rosen, you're first here to answer with one minute. you proposed legislation to prevent corporations from driving up prices, buying home s, you mentioned the home act a few minutes ago. why should the federal government even be involved in who can buy a house? >> i don't think the federal government should be involved in who can buy houses but we do have to protect the consumer from price gouging. everyone knows the difference between someone making a profit and someone taking advantage of our community. so the home act is meant to determine that if you're in a housing shortage, and these corporate investors come and buy up all homes and they jack up the prices to unreasonable rates, that that's hurting your community. we're going to fine them. we're going to put that money back into affordable housing just like we did when we brought $500 million to the home means nevada program to get people into affordable housing. we need to continue to work on these issues.

we lowered interest rates in order to be sure it's cheaper to build. that makes it cheaper to buy. those are things we have to do. and of course, as you stated in nevada, about 85% of our land is owned by the federal government. so we have to have lands bills in order to release, responsibly release federal land. i've done that with my washo county lands bill. we brought in all the stake holders environmentalists, tribal community, business loaders, elected leaders and so many others to craft a bill, a consensus bill supported by reno chamber of commerce to release over 15,000 acres for economic development with an emphasis on affordable housing. >> you mentioned greedy c.e.o.'s and these developers coming in. who specifically do you think is price gownling nevadans? >> well, i do know we have large corporate investors coming in and buying up homes. they either aren't good

landlords or they are taking advantage of us. my bill allows housing an urban development to take a look at each community. >> is there a specific one you want to take a look at? >> i think we have to look at some of these big wall street investors coming here. there are multiple investors. it's not the person who buys one or two homes. it's the large corporations coming and buying up all the inventory. >> that's our time. mr. brown, you have one minute to respond here. you've advocated, just cut the red tape. give developers the incentives they need to build. give us a specific regulation you'd like to cut the red tape so they can provide this affordable housing. >> look, as someone who bought a home here six years ago, by the way, it's a humble home. it's three bedrooms, 1.5 baths. i was able to afford that home because my dollar went further six years ago when i bought it. interest rates were lower. and no one wants to see interest rates go up but we can see because of the spending of this administration and senator jackie rosen being the deciding, tiebreaking vote that has led to the increased costs, that

interest rates had to go up to decrease inflation. what i would like to see is if we have more supply of housing. it's interesting that senator rosen would mention a desire to want to fine greedy corporations. what if we fined greedy politicians who make things more unaffordable for us? but at the end of the day, increasing supply of homes by getting rid of the really expensive auctioning process that goes -- the lots go to the highest bidder, would decrease the starting price for those new homes. and at the end of the day, when she talks about affordable housing, senator rosen, why did you only include 35 acres of affordable housing in your lands bill? that doesn't sound like much when you have a million acres. >> i'll give you 30 seconds to respond to that. >> if sam had actually read the bill, it was supported by the

reno sparks chamber of commerce. there are thousands of acres set aside for conservation. set aside for tribal communities. and over 15,000 acres set aside for us to develop churches, parks, schools, with an emphasis on affordable housing. we worked with everyone to come up and craft a bill that worked for washoe county. >> senator, however -- >> that's the final word on housing. john has the next question on foreign policy. >> i would like to switch gears to foreign policy. recently, we have seen fighting between israel, hezbollah and hamas increase. there was news today about the leader of hamas. but right now, a small number of american troops will be on the ground in israel. mr. brown, i'd like to start with you. is there a line the israeli government could cross for you to stop supporting it in the middle east? you have one minute to respond. >> no. look, israel has a right to defend itself. people said president trump would lead to more wars but we've seen the opposite.

israel was establishing peace between multiple nations there. it was only in this administration that we saw the conflict explode. the major agitator here is iran. this administration, along with senator rosen, allowed for sanctions to be lifted. we sent billions of dollars to iran and iran funded their war through hamas, houthis, hezbollah and now directly against israel. israel should be able to defend itself. the united states should not inject itself in any sort of decision making process. but we need to stand with israel and allow it to take care of its own business. >> mr. brown, thank you. and ms. rosen, same question. is there a line the israeli government could cross in this war for you to stop supporting it in the middle east? one minute to respond. >> well, i can tell you i will always support israel's right to defend itself against terror. iran is the leading state sponsor of terrorism. we saw it with hamas.

we saw it today that the leader of hamas was eliminated. we know that iran is the leading state sponsor of hamas, houthis and other rebels. we have to stop there. i went to israel one week after october 7. i met with prime minister netanyahu. i met with the war cabinet. i met with the hostages. sadly, i have met with them too many times. but when i came back, i got busy. we had multiple extra batteries of iron dome. i asked the president along with senator rowns, we asked the president to move them to northern israel and you see them in action today. i put forth the defend act, protecting israel today. on passover, this last year, i was proud to vote for the supplemental which supported israel against iran, hamas, and all the terrorists. it also supported ukraine against vladimir putin. >> i would like to ask, 15 seconds to clarify. the question was if there was a

line the israeli government could cross that may get you to rethink or not support as much what they're doing? 15 seconds. is it unconditional? >> i think when it comes to terror, we always have to stand up to terrorists around the world and brutal dictators like we do with xi in china, putin in ukraine and against iran and its proxies in the middle east. at the same time, israel does have a responsibility to limit civilian casualties. it does have a responsibility to be sure that the humanitarian aid gets in. and it does have a responsibility with all of us to bring back those 101 hostages that have been there over a year. >> ms. rosen, thank you. denise has more on the subject. >> just a couple of days ago, in fact, the u.s. government told israel that it needs to provide more humanitarian aid in order to help palestinians in gaza. and if they don't do that in the next 30 days, it could lead to the suspension of u.s. military aid to israel.

so ms. rosen, you're first with one minute to respond here. do you support this position that the united states is taking on this? >> i do believe we have to get humanitarian aid into gaza, to the citizens there that need it. i do believe we have to continue to negotiate for the hostages. i will tell you i was proud to co-lead and co-found the abraham accords caucus, where with our partners and allies in the region, we continue to work on a path forward. what will be the day after? and how will we support the civilians that have been used by the terrorists that are hamas, houthis and others. we need to continue to get that aid in. we'll go back to work in the next few weeks and i believe we'll be passing another supplemental aid package. >> all right, thank you very much, ms. rosen. >> mr. brown, we've got a minute to respond. do you support this new position that they are taking, this hard

line, that just happened this week? >> absolutely not. i do not support that position. it's amazing that senator rosen dodged answering that question explicitly. as someone who has seen the hor -- the horrors of war, no one should have to go through that. and that was the -- that was the amazing thing we had in the leadership of president trump. that is what we will have again when president trump is back in the white house. and i can be an ally to him in the senate. but when we have these conflicts, again, this is something that should be an easy answer from any politician. we do not need to be drawing red lines on what israel can or cannot do or how we'll support israel. >> can i just? >> i'm going to give you a few seconds. do you support this ultimatum that the united states has given? >> i do not support the ultimatum.

i believe that we need to support israel in its fight against terror but what i do support is our responsibility to help those civilians who are suffering in gaza or to help limit civilian casualties. we can and we must do both. fight terror and support the innocent civilians. >> all right. we appreciate that tonight. we move on to the next question. >> we're going to discuss an issue that you both brought up. energy. if you take a look at this map, it shows nevada has more than 130 pending renewable energy projects. they could blanket hundreds of square miles across the state. mr. brown, we start with you. you have one minute to answer. how would you help small counties in nevada manage the growth of these projects? >> well, look, energy is a national issue. and we need to have the most available, efficient, and cheap energy possible. that's what nevadans are demanding. again, we go back to kind of the economy issue here. most of us can't afford basic life at this point. and it's easy for senator rosen as an elitist who lives in a gated community, who is known to have violated the stock act multiple times and has a $15

million trust, to sit back and say, oh, let's pursue these green energy policies. at the end of the day, what these local, rural communities want is a chance to be able to develop in their own way. this gets back to land spills where we free up land for them. but we also need to have incentives like people being able to keep dollars in their pockets. we must extend the tax cuts that are set to expire that senator rosen won't commit to extending. we have to decrease regulations that add costs to our life. these are issues an elitist like senator rosen don't understand. >> 15 seconds to clarify, you want them to develop these projects in their own way. how? >> just develop in general. a lot of these counties, the smaller communities in there a

re landlocked. we need to be able to, just like a federal land spill here in clark county, the one discussed in reno, we need to free up land around the smaller communities so they can build out whatever sort of business projects, residential home projects that they see fit. again, d.c. doesn't know any better than our local and state officials. >> all right, ms. rosen, you also have one minute to answer this question. how would you help small counties in nevada manage the growth of these projects? >> i'm really glad you asked that. because sam would have voted against all of this investment that we have made in nevada that's bringing billions of dollars to our state. so, our geography and geology, like i said before, lead us to be part of the sustainable energy future, wind, water, solar, geothermal. like i said, more solar jobs per capita than any other state in the nation. companies are moving here to build component parts for solar panels. i can tell you that we've been designated the lithium loop and we have had companies commit billions of dollars of investment to increasing battery storage, research and development.

these are thousands of jobs across nevada and as i travel around the state, and i'm very proud to have so many mayors, republican mayors endorsing me, because my team and i, many of my team even raised in rural nevada, we go around the state, we talk to them regularly about how they're going to be sure that they develop in a smart way. in a way that retains the personality of their community but allows for new development. it's really important to rural nevada that we retain the flavor of their communities. and so we brought millions of dollars to our small -- smaller counties in order for them to start building their infrastructure out to accept these projects. >> a 15 second point of clarification. the counties have many jobs but don't have many employees. how are they going to manage that? >> what i want to tell you is this. we have made these historic investments, billions, bright line train is coming to nevada. 30,000 jobs, billions of dollars of economic impact. the next thing we have to do is be sure we build out

our apprenticeships, whether they are labor, cyber, high tech, advanced manufacturing. we have a shortage of nurses and medical professionals in nevada. i've been working with community colleges, particularly in our rural communities. we need to build out our work force is my point. this is what we have to invest in. >> she said you would have voted down these bills. >> it's a bipartisan infrastructure law, he would have voted against it. >> 30 seconds to respond to that. >> this is exactly the sort of thing that nevadans are tired of this kind of insider politician talk. the reality is, senator rosen, when you hear words like sustainable energy. think higher cost of energy. when you hear billions of dollars of investments, think, where are the homes for all these new workers? who will pay for that? how are local communities going to afford that? whenever you hear things like i know these rural communities, but you can't even talk to the issues that they're talking to me about, this is concerning. >> there's a reason the

republican mayors are endorsing me in rural nevada. >> most of us live in, and there's the nevada that senator rosen lives in, they're not the same. >> we're going to move on to another environmental issue. something that's the life blood of nevada. water. water that comes from the colorado river specifically, which is experiencing a historic drought. hundreds of years ago, seven western states agreed to share that water. california uses 20 times more water than nevada. mostly for agriculture. ms. rosen, we're going to start with you. you have one minute to answer. what is the one thing you would demand in the new agreement protecting the future growth of nevada? >> well, i think that we have to be sure that those of us who live along the colorado river, every single person, every single community, that we are doing everything we can to invest in water smart technology. water smart farming. resiliency. all of those things. we did that with the inflation reduction act, which my opponent would have voted against.

and i can tell you, i visited a farm up in winnemanka, they are a potato farm. they're using smart farming. they're increasing their yield. they're using less water. these are the kinds of things we have to do when we work along the colorado river, the colorado river compact, to make sure that everyone is doing their fair share and everyone is using and developing the best water smart technologies that we can. >> mr. brown, the same question for you. one minute to answer. what is the one thing you would demand in a new agreement protecting the future growth of nevada? >> let me be clear. i would demand that california become more responsible. they are not entitled to a permanent large share of this water when nevada has led the way on conservation. now look, i've written an article about this. there is probably very few families that enjoy the great outdoors as much as i do, well, until i got on this campaign.

now i've got to be in a suit a lot more. the reality is, we all love our environment. we love the great outdoors. nevada needs to be celebrated for what we've done. and we cannot allow california to get away with the way they allow water to be wasted. that is a precious resource. that's important to us. california is not managing it. they're not stewarding the resource well. >> all right, we are going to move on to john, who has a question on another important topic. >> joshua, thank you. let's turn to immigration if we can here. since the biden administration started, nearly 11 million migrants have crossed into the u.s. former president trump is promising mass deportations. mr. brown, we'll start with you. one minute to respond. do you think that's a good idea? >> i'll tell you what's a good idea is securing the border on day one. look, when president trump was in office, we saw record illegal crossings. we need that again. this administration on day one, president biden went and started dismantling the secure border and policies around that that we have. here's one of the things that a

n insider like senator rosen won't tell anyone. she sits on the security committee. in her six years, she's been to the border one time. where is she to defend us? as over 10 million people have come across our border. we're talking about drugs, we're talking about terrorists, human trafficking. this is a crisis. and we must confront the cartel. this is a very serious issue that president trump has a track record on. i will support making sure that criminals who are here illegally, like the 13,000 murderers that we just -- convicted murderers, that we just found out are here. senator rosen, why have you not told us about this? congress has known. they need to be deported immediately. >> mr. brown, thank you. ms. rosen, i'll get to you in a moment. i want to clarify for 15 seconds, mr. brown. again, the question was about

former president trump promising mass deportations. do you support that? how would it happen? >> that's a very big logistical undertaking. what i can tell you is we start with securing the border. then we deport those criminals like the 13,000 people who are convicted of homicide. we have sexual -- convicted sexual assault people here as well as criminals here as well. we can start there. but this is a huge undertaking but it starts with securing that border. >> mr. brown, thank you very much. ms. rosen, the question for you. to you support increasing funding and security on the board, your illegal crossings are at a reduced pace after president biden brought back policy, immigration poll circumstances somewhat similar to the trump administration. one minute to respond here. would you encourage the next president to keep some of those policies in place? one minute. >> first thing i'd do is pass the border protection act. my opponent sam brown said he was against that bill before he could have even read it because the bill text wasn't out because president trump said he wanted

to use it as a political football. i speak with our border patrol regularly. i've been to the border multiple times. and our border protection act, negotiated by a democrat, independent, and republican, gave the border patrol what they needed. in fact, it's endorsed by the border patrol union. gave them the tools, resources and training at our ports of entry. so when trucks and cars go through, they go through x-ray, they can use artificial intelligence to stop the flow of fentanyl, to stop human trafficking. in fact, when that bill didn't pass, we do have a fentanyl crisis. i had two bills in that package to stop fentanyl and end fentanyl bills. i pulled those out and they are now signed into law because our border patrol ages need to take care of that. i will tell you that since i've been in the senate, i have been calling for comprehensive immigration reform, one that secures ours border and stops the deadly flow of fentanyl as a humane and orderly asylum process. >> i would like 15 seconds to

clarify again, the question is about if you would encourage the next president, whoever that might be to keep some of these tougher policies in place, would you support remain in mexico? things along those lines? 15 seconds. >> i think we have to do what we did with the border protection act. we can see what we need to do to be sure that we're securing our border. but we have to do more than that. we have to secure our border and then have pathways to citizenship. i want to address the deportation. how would that happen? mass deportation? who would get caught in that? how many innocent people would get rounded up? we have to be thoughtful in what we do. >> 30 seconds to respond, mr. brown. >> this is again what you'd expect out of an elitist from d.c. whose own neighborhood has more security than our border. with gate and security guards. our border deserves that, too. our communities deserve that. this bill would allow for eight million people to come -- guaranteed, to come across as asylum seekers. it would pay for their legal counsel. it would pay to fly people into our country illegally.

this, and we want to talk about the border patrol union, they endorsed president trump. and president trump is someone who is serious on the border. it's president trump and sam brown. >> 15 seconds. >> i want to tell you my opponent is so stubborn and so extreme he often uses the words not negotiable, no middle ground, for what he's doing. i'm one of the most bipartisan and independent senators serving today. over 90% of the bills i introduced are bipartisan. i work with everyone in order to craft solutions to pragmatic solutions. that's what i'll do in this case. >> we have to move on. >> it is time for us to take a short break. we're going to be back in a few minutes with questions about reproductive rights and also this from our chief investigator george knapp. >> what's out there? it's a mystery that could take

the government weeks to solve. up next, i question our candidates on the secrets our government keeps. ♪ >> and welcome back. now we want to go to a topic made famous here in southern nevada. our chief investigator, george knapp, who you may know as the u.f.o. reporter, has our question. george: there have been recent revelations of government agencies looking into u.a.p.'s, more commonly known as u.f.o.'s. this is one of the more famous ones, the tictac u.f.o. we're not sure what it is but it

appears to be a matter of national security. new u.a.p. hearings are slated for both the house and senate. do you support more u.f.o. transparency and should congress create something independent of the department of defense to conduct the research? >> so, ms. rosen, you will have one minute here. should congress do its own independent investigation into u.f.o.'s? >> well, this is a topic that we have talked about, i sit on the armed services committee, we know that as your video showed, area 51 is here in nevada. in the center of nevada. and it's a top secret military site. i do think it's important that we do our independent investigation. of course, in the senate, we are responsible for oversight. we have committees in both houses. i do think it would be important to see what we're doing there and if there is any merit to this. >> mr. brown, you have one moment here to respond. should congress do it own independent investigation into u.f.o.'s? >> look, i think i'm as curious

as anyone. i'd love to know what's going on. i never saw any sort of technology like that when i was in the service. i'm not sure i'd fully trust congress, you know, to be able to figure it out. maybe elon musk can. when you're talking about secrets, here's the secrets i think nevadans need to know about. is why senator rosen has violated the stock act multiple times. as someone with a $15 million trust whose net worth went up 61% while most of us are suffering with high prices and less take home pay, we're worried about paying rent, putting food on our table. some people have to leave the dignity of retirement and go back to work. we want to know what is senator rosen trading on and why does she have hundreds of thousands of dollars of big pharma stock while she continues to profit and we suffer? >> because it >> that had nothing to do want to