for a four day weekend and visit all three of these cities, it's the perfect spot for a day trip. second of all, stockholm syndrome is leaching into the republican and democratic party. i think they fell in love with their captains. after watching the fbi see get bankrupt, after watching colleges with fake demonstrations. after the covid, and flooding our countries with illegals, stockholm syndrome is live in b. the supreme court, not to bring up anything on harris walking her way into this, these two candidates being shoved down our throats, american knows it.

it is up to c-span to keep bringing up freedom. it is like listening to music every morning -- host: nancy in california on the republican line. caller: hi. um -- as far as kamala goes, someone was speaking to bernie sanders recently and questioned him about the way she is flip-flopping and everything and says she hasn't changed her values he said she hasn't changed her values, she is being pragmatic to win the election. a pragmatist is someone who will say and do anything to get what they want with no regard for the truth or harm it will do. as far as her being a

prosecutor, when the big thing came out about the priest abusing all those young kids, she had all the information and names in her possession. never prosecuted a single one of them. as far as the summer of love goes versus january 6, it was like 25 dead, $80 billion in damages, 180 businesses destroyed. our tax dollars were used to bail out all those people. host: vice president kamala harris was in michigan yesterday. during an event she questioned former president trump's fitness to serve following a politico report alleging a trump advisor

claimed he was declining interviews because he was exhausted. here is some of vice president harris' comments. [video clip] v.p. harris: i've been hearing reports that his team is saying he is suffering from exhaustion. that is apparently why he is not doing interviews. of course, he is not doing a town hall or debates. look, being president of the united states is the hardest job in the world. we really do need to ask if he is exhausted being on the campaign trail if he is fit to do the job. that is an open ended question he needs to answer. host: former president trump was also in michigan yesterday. here is how he responded to vice president harris' comments after landing in michigan. [video clip] fmr. pres. trump: i haven't canceled. she doesn't go to any events.

she's a loser. she doesn't go to any events. she didn't even show up for the catholics last night at the hotel. it was insulting. today, i was at fox and friends at 7:00 in the morning. i then went to two different appearances. i made about 15 phone calls. on gone 48 days without a rest, and i have that loser who doesn't have the energy of a rabbit -- let me tell you something. she should have been last night for the catholics. all they do is put out soundbites. tell me when you see me take even a little bit of a rest. not only -- i'm not even tired. i'm really exhilarated. do you know why? we are killing her in the polls because the american people don't want her. she didn't pass the bar exam. she's not a smart person. she's not a person that should represent our country. i want to let you know that very clearly. host: a couple of campaign 2024 progmming notes, vice presidential nominee tim walz

rallied supporters in omaha, nebraska. omaha makes up mo of nebraska's second cgressional district where democrats hope to flip the hou seat and win a single electoralote. you can watch live at 6:00 p.m. eastern on c-span, c-span now -- oufree mobile app, and online at c-span.org. this evening, vice president harris will campaign with singer usher in atlanta, georgia. former president trump will be in pennsylvania. you can follow that coverage online at c-span.org. also, want to let you know starting tomorrow washington journal will be focused on key battleground states in this election with political reporters and analysts on the ground. we will examine what has changed since 2020, the public policy issues motivating voters this year, and political trends that

could give us clues how the state might vote. you can join us again starting tomorrow. we will start about this year's presidential campaign in the battleground state of michigan. next, we will go to pete in chicago on the line for democrats. good morning. caller: good morning, how are you, this morning? host: doing well. caller: you had a couple of colors call from florida who are going to be voting against republican senator rick scott. i want to tell you something about rick scott. we have a hospital in chicago called grant hospital. my brother worked there as a maintenance worker. rep scott bankrupted columbia health care. the people who worked for grant hospital, they lost their jobs. there were no pensions covered.

rick scott walked away with between 300 and $500 million. the colors are right, how could they vote for rick scott? especially when it is concerning health care. if you look at his votes on health care, infrastructure, he votes against everything. he goes to mar-a-lago and talks to trump and trump tells him what to do. it is the same with johnson, the speaker of the house. he talks to trump at mar-a-lago, he says don't call this bill up. it is a disgrace. all the lies he says, it's unbelievable. this is an election between having the truth or having a person in the white house who is a liar. thank you very much.

host: jerome in new york on the independent line. good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for c-span. i love the topic this morning. i want to say that it is quite all right for donald trump to see a problem in the country and try to deal with it, let's make america great again, even though he can't specifically pinpoint the period america was great. america always had great potential, and that's great. the problem with him in relation to the trade issues is that all of his goods are manufactured in china or mexico or somewhere else. how could he on one hand say i will bring jobs back to america, but all of your rich investors take the labor out to the cheaper markets. it is hypocritical. people need to see this. even the bible that he is selling is not made in america.

thank you very much. host: brent in michigan on the line for democrats. good morning, brent. caller: good morning. thank you, c-span, for letting me speak. i heard obama at a recent rally who speculated about whether or not trump has ever changed a tire or a diaper. personally, i'm curious whether or not he has ever read a book. he said that he never read hitler's manifesto, mein kampf. his lines and oratorio repertoire, vermin, scum, low iq, just comes natural to a stable genius. trump likes to describe himself. he claims he didn't know hitler, that hitler used those labels to enrage his fascist goons.

whatever works, and it worked so well. i assume trump read the bible since he claims it is his favorite book and he had a special edition printed with his name on the cover. where he thanks god for his divine intervention. anyway, pbs news reports that trump's bibles sell in the u.s. for $60 and are printed in china for three dollars. i am surprised there is a professed student of scripture that trump wasn't going to add united states documents to the scripture sense, and i quote, god will add to that person the plagues described in this book. trump evidently expects an exception to be made in his case. hey no doubt thinks that his immunity to official acts extends to blasphemy. i wonder if he came across the scripture that said he who

exhausts himself will be humbled. he who humbles himself will be exalted. does anyone think that trump is acquainted with any of those qualities in 2015 when he is interviewed that you can watch on youtube. he has asked if trump ever asked god for forgiveness. trump captivating. -- kept evading. he asked three times. trump finally answered that he never felt it was necessary to ask for god's forgiveness. either he has no conscious and believes himself to be infallible or is so immature he can't admit he ever made a mistake, even to god. trump was asked about his favorite bible verse -- host: don in michigan on the line for republicans. good morning.. are you there? caller: hello. i'm here. can you hear me? host: yep, go ahead. caller: ok, there is so much

stuff going on today that i really don't know where to start. since we are talking about nafta a little bit ago, that came up just about the time that i was ready to retire. i had about two to three years left to go. you couldn't find a job anywhere. when i retired we went to the valley in texas and we went into mexico some. in mexico, there were roads and bridges being built, power lines being put in, buildings being built all over the place, and we didn't have anything over here. if you want to check out who passed nafta, the republicans did not have enough votes if they all voted for nafta they could not have passed nafta without the democrats. so, that's enough of that.

well, i will just let it go at that. host: don in michigan. wanted to share other news out yesterday from roll call. the headline, courts release evidence in d.c. case. article says that a federal judge in washington on friday made public a mixture of miscellaneous documents filed as evidence by prosecutors in the criminal case against former president donald trump over his push to overturn his loss in the 2020 election. despite the disclosure, hundreds of pages in the new filing from special counsel john and jack smith were -- many of the pages included in an array of information already available to the public, such as social media posts by trump. in other places, dark, redacted

bars block some of the information. some of the documents released in volumes underscored the breath of the special counsel's interference case and which prosecutors could rely on prosecuting the former president. one last call, michael in hawaii on the line for independents. good morning, michael. caller: thank you for your section that was on earlier regarding nafta, the north american free trade agreement. i learned a lot. thank you so much. i have a close associate, how china is basically this massive rising economy in the world competing with america. a close business associate between china and the united states commented some time ago that china is the government

that controls its corporations where america is the government that is controlled by its corporations. that is basically what has been happening. large amounts of money that we see in the political scene now is corrupting the situation. but america is not alone. this is happening globally. maybe next time a republican colleague can advise how we expect a multi-, mega-millionaire like trump with billionaires on his side, the wealthiest business person in the world, rupert murdoch on fox news, wall street journal, television stations around the world, how do they expect people in favor of crashing unions and workers to represent workers? i don't understand how that works with republican mindset when the corporations are controlling that body so much

and people are ignoring it. sometime in the future i would like to hear that from some republican colleagues' responses. thank you so much. host: that does it for today's open forum. next, washington post technology reporter cat zakrzewski reports on the use of artificial intelligence in campaign 2024. we will be right back. >> as the 2024 presidential campaign continues, american history tv presents historic presidential election. learn about the pivotal issues in different eras, uncover what made these elections historic and explore their lasting impact on the nation. today, the election of 1960. >> for those millions of americans who are still denied equality of rights and

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pictures. one showed him riding on a lion. another showed kamala harris dressed in a uniform that looked like she was part of the soviet union. these kinds of images that support his political messaging but almost function as political cartoons. then we have seen more deceptive tactics this cycle as well. openai, a company that makes chatgpt, and dali, two big ai generators, instances where iran and china have been using ai to generate false comments and images on social media. so far, these techniques have not gotten a lot of virality online. host: in the new york times, it had an article talking about the use of ai. chatgpt is a very new technology. i believe that it came out in 2022.

not that long ago. this was touted as the ai election. that hasn't happened. the article said more than 30 tech companies have offered ai products to national, state, local u.s. political campaigns in recent months. they are smaller firms, but the campaigns have not been biting. why are campaigns concerned about actually using the technology, not just sharing what is already put out there? guest: there's a lot of caution around the use of artificial intelligence, especially in the political space right now. we know chatgpt has an issue where it hallucinates or sometimes creates false statements faced on the information it is taking in from across the internet. there are a lot of ethical concerns about what it means to use artificial intelligence to generate campaign messages. it is an area where the laws are changing quickly. a lot of states have passed laws

regulating how politicians and campaigns can use ai-generated images, photos, videos. that uncertainty has caused a lot of campaigns to press pause on the space and think about, is this worth it for our campaign to use this technology given some of these risks in terms of accuracy and the legal front? host: polls show that americans don't trust ai when it comes to election information. are they able to tell what is real from something that has been generated from ai? guest: that is one of the toughest challenges. artificial intelligence is getting better constantly. we have a new story on the washington post where you can see how ai-generated audio can be used the fake the voices of prominent politicians very easily. that is a good example of how difficult it sometimes is to

separate fact from fiction in this world. there are tips that you can use. if a photo seems exaggerated, has airbrush-like qualities, sometimes extra fingers or limbs, those are one way to detect on the visual front, but it's getting harder and harder. especially when you get into text and video. host: looking at the audio, if you look at the website, washingtonpost.com you can find it. you can play audio samples and it asks which one is harris' deepfake. give it a try. guest: it is a good way to familiarize yourself with the way that this technology works and how effective it can sometimes be. audio deepfakes is an area where people are really worried. you might remember the situation in january where there were the robo calls during the early

phases of this election. there is concern as we get closer and closer to election day that audio spreading through robo calls might be an issue. guest: we are talking with cat zakrzewski about artificial intelligence's use in campaign 2020 four. if you have a question or comment you can start calling now. republicans, (202) 748-8001. democrats, (202) 748-8000. independents, (202) 748-8002. one of the biggest fears surrounding ai and its use in the election is that it can be used for disinformation or misinformation. here in the u.s. or internationally. how much have we seen that happen so far? guest: one thing we've seen over the past couple of weeks is how ai was used in response to the

hurricane to spread disinformation. photos were getting traction online that showed a girl with a dog in a life vest. it turned out to be an ai generated picture but was being shared to criticize the biden administration's response to the hurricane. we have seen instances where they showed pictures of disney world flooded. this is a big concern how both domestic and foreign actors could use this to spread disinformation this campaign cycle. so far, we haven't seen many of these ai images and videos get broad traction online. the concern when i talked to a lot of researchers is, one, how does the existence of the technology, how is it making people concerned that we no longer have one collective understanding of what the truth is? that even real photos and videos could be dismissed as oh, that is just ai by a politician who

doesn't like a certain narrative. the other issue is the fact that our social media ecosystem is much more atomized at this point. we are looking at a main twitter or facebook feed publicly online. the concern is there could be these deepfakes, ai-generated messages and videos, being spread in places like group text messages or facebook groups where it is difficult to track and really know the impacts they are having at this phase of the election. host: something that you mentioned is the effort that states have made to regulate ai use in elections. about half of states have looked at laws in that regard. what do they look like? what are they focused on? guest: often the laws are focused on disclosure. requiring the person or politician sharing an ai-generated photo, video, or message did disclose that this

has been created with ai. sometimes the laws carry fines when a person doesn't do that. these laws have also created a lot of free speech concerns. we saw california pass a law along these lines that would require disclosure of political deepfakes. there is actually immediately a first amendment challenge to the law. it raises questions of, how do you apply this in a situation like parody or entertainment where people may be using ai to make a broader political point that is protected by the first amendment? host: more reporting by the washington post, headline, ai disclaimers and political ads backfire on candidates, study says. the study finds why? guest: one of the issues when you have disclaimers is sometimes they can get even more traction online. the other thing is, people often

overlook a disclaimer in these types of situations. we have seen similar issues with fact checking on social media. it is a real challenge in the space to figure out how you notify people that what they are seeing may not be real? host: we will hear from our callers. good morning, jean. caller: i called to see if she feels if former president trump was reelected he would be more lax on regulations as pertaining to ai and its usage and just internet commentary in general, from the former twitter to his own social media company that he started? i believe, yes, he would. guest: thank you so much for the call. it is actually reported that the trump, potential trump

administration is planning to revoke the biden ai executive order which is currently the most strict federal regulation that the government has on artificial intelligence. they are planning to replace that with something that would be more focused on encouraging more development of artificial intelligence and encouraging that specifically in the space of the military faced on documents that we've seen at the washington post. i think it is definitely safe to say that a trump administration has signaled a lighter touch approach to technology. also, the general rhetoric we've heard from the trump administration, both in the past and now on the campaign trail around social media, is very much critical of requiring the companies to do any content moderation to address ai and other types of disinformation. it's likely that you would in fact see a trump administration

pressure the companies to be more hands-off on that front and follow the path that we've seen from platforms like elon musk's x. host: cat, president biden signed the executive order about a year ago. remind us what some of those provisions are. guest: the executive order effectively established a regime where the most powerful ai systems have to go through special transparency provisions and testing with the federal government. this is a process that is being led through the ai safety institute, which was also established with the ai executive order. the ai executive order also included a lot of provisions around how the federal government buys technology. using the purchasing power of the federal government to force companies to raise their standards across the board. the executive order also takes aim