is this sense for republicans in particular there is a sense of the kind of chaos versus order dynamic we saw in focus groups and in our data recently you may remember we had several versions of the question. and the more requirements we put in the question, the higher republicans -- you had to learn english, pay back taxes. every time we added a requirement republican support went up and when we took any mention of requirement out and the current question providing certain requirements but we took that out altogether. so there is that pragmatism thing. the bigger question is when you've been painted a picture that immigration is an invasion, chaos at the border, that undermines any sense of pragmatism and problem solving. and you've undermined the

ability of government to even administer a solution. and one last point on this thing about the focus group in north carolina we did in 2016 on this issue and was among republicans and i'll never forget the response. i'm a small government conservative and we try to deport 11 million people that would be the largest federal program the country's ever seen parade i'm not up for that. >> i don't know how much you dug into because isn't it the identity of the immigrant sprayed if you ask the question would you like to deport european immigrants, would you like to deport german immigrants, would you like to deport -- isn't it because the immigrants because trump is being very specific pray he is saying venezuela, congo and haiti. he's identifying the immigrants as black and brown. >> absolutely.

he's not talking about danish immigrants. >> donald trump's mom and his family, a two out of three wives were immigrants. they are saying she could stay. >> no doubt. >> ok folks. [laughter] got to blow the whistle here. i have one more question, an online question before i will call up -- to pronounce the benediction. [laughter] we are running out of time i am sorry. so here is the online question which i think is an appropriate question. it reads as follows. given that in every election someone has to lose, how can those on the losing side be encouraged to channel their disappointment or constructively. is there a role in civil society.

please some brief answers and then ej will end the session. any good ideas? [laughter] >> being willing to lose is a democratic patriotic view. that is the essence of democracy. that we are willing to do our best, to persuade everybody weekend and turn out everybody weekend. at the end of the day if we lose we are willing to live with the result. that's what democracy means. i think a recommitment to that and thinking about what do we do , well we live to organize and persuade another day. that's what we do in a democracy. it's really hard but if i am concentrating to thing about the democratic values we reinforce and support this election it is commit yourself to the results

of the election without any kind of waffling on whether i myself think it was a free and fair election. if it's determined to be free and fair i will abide by the results even if i lose. >> we have one answer stand on democratic principles. any other reactions. >> i think about times in recent history when al gore decided to essentially concede the loss in 2020 when i think arguably his case was stronger in some ways of winning. i do think there some thing patriotic about an important and vital to democracy to really concede when you lose. i am not at all hopeful donald trump if he loses, that that will happen. i think what we need is we need other actors, whether it is civic leaders, religious leaders, political leaders to acknowledge the results of the election. especially if donald trump were to lose we need leadership to

say look the election has been had, we know the results were fair and free, we need to move on. i don't necessarily think it will happen. i suspect if harris were to lose she will concede similar to what hillary clinton did in 2016. >> john mccain's concession speech i want to recommend as one example of this as well. >> to answer a little bit differently i think we are seeing both parties dug in on mobilization in the last couple of years instead of persuasion. i've been very impressed how shrewd harris has been as a candidate, she has ditched her 2019 position and wiggled through some tough questions in interviews with i think the proper response which is she has been vice president for almost four years and she wants -- she values consensus. she basically is where the country is and is not where she

was on medicare for all, not where she was on trans surgeries for prisoners which are a big bulk of trumps ads during football games. aimed at making men crazy. and saying she is a radical. so what i really hope is that the democratic party will move to where the country is in an attempt to build a bigger coalition to win the next election and they have on immigration and i hope that they will continue to do that in response to the election should they lose. i think republicans lose we will not see that moving beyond their base and trying to move to where the middle of the country is. the middle of the electorate is pride that is too bad because what you're supposed to do after you lose is a party is say how can we convince more people next time because politics is supposed to be addition. what they try to do is intertwine more people that agree with them that they can register to vote. they are not actually trying to come to the middle to solve problems.

i have my doubts about the republicans. i hope if harris loses the democrats will find a way to continue what she was doing which is to come to the center of the electorate to appeal to more people to win next time. if we will have another free and fair election in another four years. >> keeping up my tradition of being the most ironic member of the panel given that my name is joy i will point out that only once in the last 20 years have republicans won a popular vote in a presidential election. and yet they have exceeded to the presidency twice in that time. the demographics of this country are around 80% of nonwhite people vote democratic and around 60% of white americans vote republican on average in every election and as robbie has pointed out in the survey has

pointed out the republican party overwhelmingly is a white christian party. and so the odds are kamala harris will win the popular vote. we have a system in this country taste on the slavery period in which the american people do not elect the president. the electoral college elects the president. so you can lose an election in which hillary clinton got 3 million more votes. and the only way for kamala harris to win the election is to probably get 4 million or more additional votes over donald trump. we already know. i can make two predictions. , harris will win the popular vote and black men will be the second highest percentage of voters for kamala harris. it will not be them if she is not president. just want to fill that out there. behind black women. so the question i think is framed in a way that only has

one side be accountable for standing up and being adults and pretending like the losing side in a football game. only one side is required to do that. we know if kamala harris wins by 3 million votes and yet does not become president she will concede. that is a no-brainer. we also know that if donald trump does not win the election he will not concede and he will proceed to try to bring us to civil war. and try to drag the election through the courts and have mike johnson make him president or have john roberts make him president. we know how this is going and we know where it is going. i think we need to examine the system does not allow the winner of the popular vote to become president. if vice president harris wins and democrats retain house and senate we need to have a serious conversation about the state of our democracy because it is lacking. and then the last thing i will say is if donald trump does win there will not be a democrats go

back and figure out how to get more voters and figure out how to change their position, there will be camps. there will be project 2025. there could be arrests of people like adam schiff, there could be nancy pelosi being hauled off to jail. and if you do not think that that is possible then you really do not understand that there is no american exceptionalism. we are a country like every other country. if you ran against his party went to jail. that happened in my father's lifetime. maduro is putting people in jail if on your whatsapp they find that you are saying things against maduro. that is happening right now in our neighboring country. these are happening in our neighborhoods. there is -- our democracy is much more like a latin american democracy then it is like england or germany or any part

of europe. we are a latin american country so everything you see happening in brazil, venezuela, it could all happen here. there isn't can it be an opportunity for vice president harris to be the bigger party because we will be fighting for our survival as a democracy and some people will be fighting for their actual survival. so i think the question misses the point because if kamala harris does not win it is not clear that there will be another election. that is the stakes unfortunately. >> but also we should say he is going to declare victory regardless. he could win this out right, if it looks like harris is winning it will go on for weeks and he will try to burn the country down for two months at at 7:00 on tuesday night at 8:30 is going to declare victory so everybody needs to prepare for that. >> the veneer of control over this panel. [laughter]

>> i love living in a vigorous democracy. some wonderful discussion, you framed some of the great questions i want to thank joy, maybe, melissa and robbie for his patented wonderful powerpoint. i want to say two things, there's a nutrition book by tim shank looks at the careers of doug and stan, two pollsters. it made me realize why this project is important. i apologized by the way, we wanted to have platinum 15th anniversary coins for everyone who attended today. but we ran out of money once we paid for the pole so we couldn't do that but thank you for joining us. it made me think what tim put in my head, people knock pulls all the time and there are problems with an obsession with who's up and down tomorrow but polls really are democracies

themselves. if you study public opinion you are studying it to understand how people think and why they think what they think and if you disagree with public opinion your job in a democracy is to figure out how to persuade people to change their mind. and so on this question of democracy, one of my favorite book titles was larry o'brien, very close to president kennedy, department chair of the democratic national committee. his book was called no final victories. and when democracy works that's the great thing about democracy because if there are no final victories, there are no final defeats and you can fight again and you can win the next time and you can persuade people the next time. i want to congratulate our panel on this project we have had going for so long and let us all pray for our democratic republic. thank you so very much. [applause]

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. the president: clinton speaking to voters in durham, north carolina. live coverage on c-span. ♪ ♪♪ >> i'm fired up. i'm fired up and ready to go. hello everyone, i'm a senior at the north carolina central university here in durham. and today, today, because my generation needs and deserves leaders who are looking out for our future.

vice president harris and governor walz are leaders that are fighting not only for me, my community, but also my generation. [cheers and applause] they have a vision for a new way forward. [cheers and applause] that they will protect our fundamental freedoms, and preserve our democracy. [cheers and applause] as vice president, we know kamala harris has been fighting for us. and she knows, she knows that our hcbu's are important

cultural educational institutions that drives innovation, research and economic building. vice president harris along side president biden have invested a record $17 billion in our nation's hcbu's. [cheers and applause] and delivered one of the largest increase in pell grant programs in over a decade. now, meanwhile, donald trump would be a disaster for students. we have to realize his project 2025 agenda for a second term includes extreme plans to eliminate the department of education. and then take away from the head start program diverting funding away from public schools and

stopping for giveness loan programs. his plan would hurt the economy and raise costs which is not something that my percent and i want to do in this generation! [cheers and applause] and we talk about it, the members of our generation want leaders with the vision for the future. one where we are all able to achieve our version of the american dream. [cheers and applause] with vice president harris, we know that she is fighting to give us more opportunities to make it easier to get an education, to make it easier to get a good paying job and to start a small business. [cheers and applause]

and we talk about vice president harris selected her running mate and picked a leader who shares her vision for a new way forward. [cheers and applause] and has always been fighting for working people and students like myself. now, governor walz has a heart for service that i admire and tries to emulate, whether in the class rooming, national guard or in the football field or governor, we see tim walz has spent every day trying to make a difference for the american people. [cheers and applause] and let me tell you a few things he has done as governor. signed the largest tax cut in

minnesota's history. lowered the costs for the middle-class families. stood up for our fundamental freedoms, just to name a few of his accomplishments. today is the day, north carolina, early voting starts today and i am proud to have voted. i voted today as you all should vote today! everyone here, we know the path to the white house runs through north carolina. [cheers and applause] everyone here we know has the power to make their voices heard. and turn the page to eliminate the extremists of donald trump and j.d. vance. this election is simple, get ready to elect vice president

cares and -- kamala harris and to build a better economy. and now, it is my great honor to introduce the governor, our next vice president from minnesota, tim walz! [cheers and applause] gov. walz: thank you. [crowd chanting tim] >> good afternoon, durham, we are in the right spot. i don't know about all of you, we are going to get through this election and president harris when we are done with this thing.

listening to devon, our future is bright. our future is bright. [applause] i'm going to admit that i'm partial to former governors. you saw the last challenging weeks, roy cooper is an absolute gem. [applause] and you grow them well down here because those are big shoes to fill. but i tell you what, josh stein is going to do just fine. and i'm giddy, i'm standing on the stage with the 42nd president of the united states. [cheers and applause] this is the comeback kid and knows a little bit something about being an underdog and

being underestimated a bit. but i think you would be hard-pressed to find anybody that understands people and politics better than bill clinton. [cheers and applause] he has been a leader. he understands what it takes to win these campaigns and he gives of his time, because what he understands what you understand, you came here today and president clinton came here today because you believe in the promise that you love this country. that's why you came here today. and i am glad that president clinton and all of you are out here to make the case why we need to elect kamala harris the next president of the united states. i want to say before i get started and i bring this to you and certainly from minnesota, the eyes have been upon all of

you. we know folks who lost loved ones and everything they have. communities are still in the moments of recovery. the biden-harris administration are doing everything they can to get relief to these areas to get it done. [applause] and at times like these it brings up the best of this country and we are going to have a choice to decide to go down the road that donald trump wants to take us down of chaos and division or kamala harris' vision of the united states that cares about each and every one. so we are going everywhere. kamala and i are going everywhere. we are regulars on fox news.

donald trump isn't going many places. and he did a little town hall on unionyvision and he was asked and why are you and j.d. vance making up stories about people in this country at legally and putting them at risk and spreading stories that are untrue. tells you about everything you need to know about this. these lies they are saying, republican officials are telling them to stop it and they are telling them about republican officials hotel them to stop telling lies. there are outsider making life harder for people. and they have names, donald trump and j.d. vance.

that is who they are. [cheers and applause] now yesterday was like an epiphany day. a little debate in new york city and i asked the simplest question, did donald trump lose the 2020 election? pretty simple. every court in the land and every person knows that and i got a smug, tim, we are thinking about the future, something like that. yesterday, they just start saying the quiet stuff outside and he said no, donald trump did not lose the 2020 election. the job we are asking to serve the american public, we don't serve an individual, we serve the constitution and the people of the united states. that's who we serve.