jobs as a result of that industry. and if we get rid of one industry, what happens to the jobs? and we need to ask, if we get rid of one industry, what happens to the taxes and the community? and we need to ask if we get rid of one industry, what happens to national security? it's not a simple lynnier question. there's always these correlative very important questions. so i spent time at ship rock. martin heinrich and his colleagues decided to close the utility power plant at ship rock. when i spent an entire day there meeting with all the leaders, every type, i asked them what's your unemployment rate? and they told me, we're not sure. but its somewhere between 70% and 80%. and the unemployment problem is so bad that the parents have left ship rock and left their kids there alone to live with

the grandparents. chris: thank you very much. we'll come back. we've got 60 second rebuttal and 90 seconds to discuss the issue. ms. domenici: climate change is real. chem trails are not. we need real scientific policies to deal with these issues. the market moved. coal is not going away because someone decided to shut down that coal-fired generating spatial. coal went away because it is no longer competitive in the market and we made clean energy dramatically cheaper than coal-fired generation. ms. domenici: you promised them jobs. sen. henrich: i passed the i.r.a. and we will continue that work with the industrial sector which we need to figure out how to deeply decarbonize and i'm going to pass permitting reform by partisan permitting reform. my opponent likes to make fun of sunsea. it's having a $20 billion impact on arizona and new mexico. all those ranchers who have turbines are getting thousands

and thousands of dollars in leases per year perturben. the d-per turbine. the county tax collection is up 300% and union ibew laborers are building with the biggest project labor agreement in 30 years. this is progress. it's not at the expense of any other job. but should we embrace it? absolutely. chris: 60 seconds to rebut. ms. domenici: so with regard to embracing clean energy-related companies, i agree with martin that our state needs diversification. we need to be strong in oil and gas. but we also need to be diversified across the spectrum in wind and solar. but as we -- as we move into this diversification, we also need to care about national security, for example. so right now electric vehicles are heavily reliant on batteries

which are made in china. right now, solar panels are heavily reliant on panels which are made in china. and are made with some of the groups that have the highest human rights violations imaginable. so this is yet another example of how when we think about having clean energy, we need to think hard about jobs and national security and the community much more broadly than i would argue martin heinrich has. because he would destroy oil and gas. he would destroy the jobs and the income if he had his way and don't forget that. chris: and the time is up. we are going to -- we're just coming close to the last few minutes. i would like to get a couple more questions in so if i may, we'll give you each 60 seconds on these questions. you will have 90 seconds at the very end for your final statement. is that all right? with both of you? ok. we will start this with

mr. heinrich. what, if anything, would you do to protect the rights of new mexico workers? what is your position on right to work? sen. henrich: right to work, i experienced that as a kid. it's right to work for less. it is a disaster for working people. my mom worked as a seamstress and then in an auto factory. she worked in a right to work, quote unquote, state. and the reality of her life experience was that she got paid less and she had no control over the hours that she worked. when i was in junior high, i learned to cook. not because i wanted to learn to cook because my mom would get up at 4:00 in the morning and by the time she got back at the end of the day, she went to sleep. and she was working in a wheel factory, not 40 hours a week, but seven days a week, three days on, one day off. my mom wasfive feet tall and she

had to sling 15-pound wheels for three weeks at a time with overtime every single day. that's what right to work will give you. i support workers. chris: thank you, mr. heinrich. ms. domenici, 60 seconds on this, thank you. ms. domenici: new mexico has a problem with having good jobs. our leaders have failed to make sure this state attracts companies with good, high-paying jobs with good hours and good benefits. the solution to our state having better jobs is not whether or not we have a certain minimum wage or we have certain right to work policies. yes, those will help. but the real solution is education. we are not educating our youth. and because we are not educating our youth, because we have the highest illiteracy rates for reading. we have the highest imliteracy rates for math. and on top of that, we have a state that's number one in

crime. so good companies don't come here. they can't come here. their board of directors won't let them. so until we fix education, which this team of leaders has failed to do, and until we fix crime, we're going to have a job problem here for our youth. chris: thank you very much. ms. domenici: for a long, long time. chris: we have 90 seconds on your final statements and we start with mr. heinrich. you will have 90 seconds. sen. henrich: ok. chris: you start. sen. henrich: i am so proud to be your united states senator. i am proud of the work that we have done. things like passing the pact act for veterans and proud of the things we accomplished and look forward to all the work ahead. my opponent is a multimillionaire hedge fund executive who has spent most of the last 50 years living in connecticut and new york. she has spent her entire

campaign trash talking new mexico. i am tired of her list of complaints. i would like to see her get to work on solutions. i'm an engineer. i love to solve problems. i like to fix things. i know that new mexico is strong and resilient. and that our best days are still ahead of us. if you want a problem solver who's going to pass things like the inflation reduction act that she's complaining about or all the other things that we did for veterans this this congress, if you want a problem solver, if you want someone who's progress matic, if you want someone who puts solutions ahead of sound bites, then i would humbly ask for your vote. chris: thank you, mr. heinrich. you have 90 seconds, ms. domenici. ms. domenici: martin heinrich refuses to acknowledge the situation our state is in and refuses to take responsibility

for it. remember the report card i presented. those weren't my views. that's raw data, that's good data, that's describing the crisis our state is in. and it's always, always hard to hear the brutal truth. but he earned that brutal truth. why would you have someone who's been in office 12 years and created a state that's filled with problems, have another six years to let those problems continue on? and the grade we talked about at the beginning are still his grades. but the worst part about those grades, we all live them every single day. we all wonder when will of food and gas go down? we are all worried about finding affordable homes, affordable cars. we're all shocked when we look at our credit card and the interest rate has gone up above 20% and in some cases up above

30%. and we're all scared. we're fighting for safety in schools. and safety at night. and we have moments of deep sadness because hundreds of net nil deaths and hundreds of meth deaths. and we're angry because we send our kids to schools where they don't learn to read or write. it's time for a new leader. it's time to bring back a domenici. chris: that you know, ms. domenici. it is not easy to run for office, especially in today's world. but we want to take a moment to thank you nela domenici and martin heinrich for their dedication to public service and willingness to serve. thank you to the candidates. be sure that you take time to study the issues. excuse me, sir. we're still on the air. we're still on the air. thank you. this is my camera. and i want it. be sure to take time to study the issues. remember, there is still a week

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