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really bullish on this. obviously i support president trump and the republican ticket but when you look at the averages of where the polls are in all the battleground states, it's not just the edge that president trump has, it is the trend that is going in his direction. so you look not just at one pole, but at last several polls, and the wind is at his back. and frankly you look at the balla ground state senate races as well, everything from wisconsin and michigan to pennsylvania and nevada, arizona, each of those same things. there's not one race where republicans aren't moving in the right direction. i'm not saying everyone of them is going to go over the finish line, i hope they do, but i would rather be going into election day as a republican with the wind at our back than trying to hold back and insurgents. host: what do you think of the remarks made at the madison square garden rally and the former's reaction to them?

did it hurt his campaign? >> no. first of all, they weren't remarks. it was a comedian who told a bad joke and i think i am large, republican that i know says it was a bad joke. the comedian got up for hours before president trump got up and said a joke that fell flat because it was stupid. that's what it was, a stupid joke that went over very poorly because it wasn't funny. and i think sometimes that is the risk you take with comedians. that being said, i don't know a single person outside of jon stewart who said hey, it wasn't funny. juxtapose that the president biden who is the current president of the united states who literally said the support to president trump are garbage. that is it, no question about it. i know the white house is trying to parse some of the words but as somebody who has a little bit of experience gargling words and saying things and living at that

level, he screwed up and instead of trying to make it a grammar issue, he should have just said he was sorry. but i actually think he believes it. he campaigned in 2020 -- 2016 saying he got in the race because of donald trump, he announced his reelection because the threat of donald trump. this shouldn't be surprising to anybody, but the bottom line is that four days later us talking about a comedian at a rally and not the current president of the united states really explains where the media is in the current environment. >> candidates are making their closing arguments. some say the former president's rhetoric is to dark. we heard that from nikki haley. and they want to play for our viewers and have you respond to megyn kelly's remarks about the former president's rally. >> trump was not well served by those around him last night. it wasn't enough to rally all that nonsense, but i'm telling you even for me, and i voted for donald trump last week, it was

too bro-test that. you are trying to win an election in which you are female voters. maybe when you present in front of thousand that madison -- madison square garden, you clean up the talk just a little so you don't alienate women in the middle of america who are already on the fence about republicans. do they have no women advising their campaign? is there no actual woman sitting behind the scenes coming up with guest lineup and saying let's just have a word with you guys were going to be speaking about this isn't the bar? this isn't their living room. this is a campaign. this is politics. we are trying to get him elected. we don't need to rally the base or guys anymore, and it is not helpful even if we do want to rally the base or the guys to go full off-color insults to

different racial groups and so on. i get it. nothing that was said offended me, i'm almost un offend able. but i understand how this plays with women and that was an effed up choice. guest: i respect your point of view on this, and it can't hurt to have more women out there. i thought it was great that melania was speaking. the campaign is surrounded by a bunch of people who have data, and the messages that work with them. madison square garden with some speakers, this was literally in terms of the conservative world, this was like our woodstock. think about the people who were there, robert f kennedy, tulsi gabbard, melania trump, dr. phil, it was pretty unbelievable in terms of a lineup. but i think all in all that was

a great rally that got worldwide coverage, and at the end of the day, what i most people paying attention to? donald trump. the contrast between him and kamala harris, especially when it comes to the economy and border security. the number one and number two issues. so look, donald trump i think is going to be headed for a big victory on tuesday night. i think we got to keep our foot on the gas and keep running through the tape, but at the end of the day, you look at a state like new hampshire, right now i don't know that we will end up winning it, but you've got brand-new polls showing up, that wasn't considered a valid ground state weeks ago. my stay here in virginia, this is a state that joe biden won by 10. the wind is at donald trump's back. if everything about a ground state poll after poll, the wind

is at his back so they're are clearly doing something right. host: the crowd at madison square garden, a worldwide event. what about the thousands that gathered here in the nation's capital this year to hear the vice president talk at the ellipse? guest: good for her. i think it was somewhat awkward that the backdrop was the white house and you had a current sitting president, her boss, feet away in the white house and he wasn't invited. he could literally have walked down to be there in five minutes, it was completely secured by the secret service. why wasn't joe biden invited? frankly it was a recitation of all of her talking points. great, this is politics, glad to see you are out there engaging with the american people but it with the same speech i heard a million times. more than anything i think it was extremely offer the line, her own boss to his feet away wasn't invited up to the stage of the current sitting president. by the way, had he been invited, maybe he wouldn't have made the

garbage comments on that call. host: when you were talking about madison square garden, you said that there's data out there that the campaign has of who they still need to reach. who is that that they still need to reach? guest: my guess is that it is low propensity voters, people who don't tune in to cable-television every day, people who are working hard to put food on the table for their family, themselves, trying to pay the rent. who don't necessarily tune into cable news shows everyday or read the mainstream legacy media outlets. so they are trying to find surrogates or outlets, which is why i think president trump's media strategy, new, independent media, podcasts has been brilliant. if they are a truck driver may be or part of the gig economy, podcasts when they have a break, they different time to come home and watch television, this is

been great. so they are reaching them and you think about all of the outlets on sunday night, i was actually out at a family event and i was just clicking around at different sites that were all carrying that rally live in the thousands of people on each one and i thought to myself this is brilliant. this isn't just about trying to make sure cable news carries it. they got all sorts of different channels connecting with their audience. host: a call in florida, supporting the former president. caller: actually i'm glad to speak to two different hosts. i've only called in one time, and it was good. but what i want to say real quick is people forget to think that the most important thing that we have is our children.

that's the most important thing between men and women. they should always think with having kids, that's the most important thing. that's what makes you happy. on that note, the women who are being left out, they are not being left out, they are just not talking about how important they are. but without women we wouldn't have kids and we wouldn't have a family, we wouldn't be happy. the other thing i want to say, with all the resources that we have under our feet as we hear it, all this gold, natural gas and other resources, why aren't we using that to pay off the deficit? i'll guarantee if you take democrats and independents and republicans and put them together, they would vote for that if that money could go toward paying off the deficit. host: let's get a response. guest: so first of all, i'm not

entirely sure on the first comment what you mean about women. clearly they are a massive demographic in an election that is being very targeted, so i think both sides are working hard for that vote. secondly on the energy piece of this, look, you heard president trump. drill, baby, drill. we were energy independent when he was president. he continues to recognize the importance of fossil fuels in our current economy, so yeah, it is important. and i will finish with respect to the deficit and take a hit on my own party on this, i think this is an issue that has not gotten the attention it deserves. it's probably the greatest existential threat that our nation faces in terms of long-term viability. i wish both parties paid more attention to the debt and deficit. and with all due respect, i do get the point you are making on the energy, but this isn't just about driving up revenue and saying let's get more energy, more revenue, and then we can

spend more. that's the problem in washington. you tell them there is more money, they will spend more. are we spending efficiently and effectively? universally the answer is no. the problem is politicians on both sides aren't rewarded for actually having disciplined measures. more are rewarded because the increased spending of some sort. host: you said earlier that you are bullish on the former president winning this election. if he doesn't, what do you think if the message that would have resonated with voters that they would choose the vice president? guest: here's what i would say to you. if you look at the polls, i feel bullish, i have the windows that are back in every one of these polls, but there is not one of the seven, and i would add virginia and new hampshire into that mix, that were outside the margin of error one way or another.

and when you get down to the final two or three weeks of the campaign, mechanics matter. it is that ground game, we looked at how we were operating as a party, some of the digital efforts, research efforts. early vote, absentee vote. we have a look back to see if there are deficiencies. i don't know if it is a messaging thing is much as a mechanics issue and a logistics issue. at the end when it is this close, did you do your job? and it may be that there were one or two states were you came up short, and that was a bigger problem. i don't want to get in front of tuesday night until we know the results, but more than anything, i hope that when we win that we still stop and reflect on what we did well and where we can improve. >> cnn out with a new poll yesterday, harris has a narrow edge in michigan and wisconsin and she and trump remain tied in

pennsylvania. this is with likely voters showing a tie vote in pennsylvania. in michigan, 48 of likely voters saying they would support the vice president. 43% for the former president, and 51-45 in wisconsin. what do you make of those pulling numbers? >> as i said, everything is within the margin of error. if you look at real clear politics, and so venue, trump up three, up one, thai, thai, trump of three, trump up one. you mentioned michigan. i've got wisconsin here, tie, trump up one, trump up one, tie, tied, trump up two. this is literally reading off real clear politics. trump up one, trump up one, harris up five come harris of four. average-wise, he is up, but it

is all within the margin of error so you can go find a poll that shows her up a couple of points, one with him up a couple of points. overall what you need to look for is the trend. where is the race going? the mistake i think a lot of people make especially in the media is they will look at one pole and say it is a snapshot, a photograph. part of what you need to know, it is like a snapshot of two cars going on the road. you don't know which one is overtaking the other, are they going the same speed? if you're going to cherry pick, where was that one week, two weeks, three weeks ago? that is what you need to start looking at. is the trend looking in one direction or the other? host: pat in kentucky. caller: two things that i want to say. when kamala has his speeches, i don't hear her ever.