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faith and freedom coalition ralph reed held a press conference on the 2024 election results looking at polling, minority outreach and perceived failures of the democrats' campaign. from the national press club in washington, d.c. it is about an hour. >> i want to thank everybody for coming. glad you can pick up the audio. my name is ralph reed, founder and chairman of the faith and freedom coalition, which is a public policy organization that works on behalf of stronger families, protecting innocent human life, limiting government, reducing the crushing tax burden on families and defending the state of israel as well as a

whole host of other public policy issues. we have 3 million members and supporters. in the last election cycle, we undertook the largest ground game operation by a conservative or christian public policy organization outside the republican party in the history of modern american politics. we knocked on approximately 9.7 million doors in the battleground states. we sent out 28 million ai-driven get out the vote text messages, which actually engaged faith-based voters in a conversation about developing a plan to vote and encouraging them to vote early. with historic results which i'll get to in a minute and we conducted millions of get out the vote calls and distributed 30 million voter guides in approximately 130,000 churches nationwide.

we tracked the votes of these voters as they tow place during the early vote. while we will not give out all the information because it is clearly proprietary, i can tell you that a majority and in some battleground states, approaching 60% of all the registered evangelical christians in that state in 4 of 7 battleground states voted before election day. that has never happened in many of our lifetimes with one exception. that is in the state of florida, which has a long and cherished history of early voting. those voters are used to voting early but we have never seen these kinds of numbers, between 55 and 60% of all the model registered evangelical christians in four of the seven battleground states voted before election day. by the way, i should mention as

a subgroup of those voters, there were hundreds of thousands of evangelical voters in every one of these battleground states who voted in '16, did not even show up in 2020, and voted early . we don't even have the total get for how many voted yesterday. we will not give out the specific numbers. it is hundreds of thousands of faith based voters. we are talking about a number that in the state of georgia would be 20 to 30 times biden's margin of victory in 2020. in arizona, 20 to 30 times biden's margin. this happened everywhere and we know what happened because of multiple door knocks. multiple text messages. that was our push and then we had the pull of donald j. trump,

superior u.s. senate candidates where they were on the ballot, two. congressional candidates where those voters lived in a battleground congressional district and an issue mix that greatly benefited our turnout operation. you don't need me to tell you. you have been looking at it either on tv or you look at the exit polls yourself. glenn will talk about it in a minute that the issue mix was a combustible and lethal combination for the harris-walz campaign. these voters were overwhelmingly voting on the economy, on inflation, on the border, on crime and on foreign policy. abortion, glenn maybe we'll talk about this, i'd be curious to have your view. glenn and i have not even talked about this. it is clear that they thought they could just take the

playbook from 2022 abortion, abortion, abortion and just run with it. it got to a point that was candidly comical where you would see a democratic senate candidate or a harris-walz surrogate gang interviewed, and they would be asked about the border, or asked about inflation and they would say, well, me tell you why that is likely to be impacted by trump bringing about a national abortion ban. the voters didn't buy it. we believe the only voters who were motivated by that issue were voters she already had. it is up to them as to whether or not they want to continue with that playbook, but we're confident we will go to both the strategists and candidates on the republican side of the aisle going forward, to paraphrase

winston churchill, there is nothing quite as exhilarating as being shot at to no effect. and they shot at these candidates and drop half $1 billion in abortion ads on their heads. and every other sentence out of kamala harris' mouth and every rally in her closing argument was that trump was against women's health and she lost by a landslide. she is losing every single battleground state. i would also like to underscore that approximately 20% of these nearly 10 million doors that we knocked on in the battleground states were minority households. those by the way were overwhelmingly hispanic. in states where the african-american vote plays a critical strategic role, for example georgia, we had a strong ground game in the black community but in general it was hispanic. we had hispanic teams that were

organized by our hispanic division working closely and collaborating with john harbison, our director of voter education in arizona, nevada, georgia, in florida where we were involved in trying to defeat amendments 3 and 4. rick scott, that senate rate closed to two points at one point, we wanted to be there for him but we were primarily there to defeat amendments 3 and 4 and we're thrilled we were successful with that. you saw how the hispanic vote turned out not only nationally but in florida. that was driven not exclusively but primarily by trump's over performance among faith-based hispanic voters. we were in hispanic churches registering hispanic voters to vote. going all the way back to january. we had hispanic doorknocking teams in pennsylvania, i believe

in wisconsin, john, i don't know if you want to come up and talk about that aspect or any other aspect of the ground game that you think people would find interesting. >> thanks, ralph. john harbison, director of our education. this year, we changed our focus a little bit, with the voters and made a concerted effort to motivate those voters. quite frankly, we were going to annoy them. when you say early voting, that was part of our script. once you early vote, we will leave you alone. we will continue knocking on your door. we were able to do that with great results. we did not know how those voters were going to break but we knew they were voting early. when we would run our nightly, we would deduct our early vote from our database, so we are not

expending resources on people that already voted. those universes cap shrinking every night. as we went out across the country across the swing states and continued to hit these low propensity voters and then engaging with our hispanic groups, and his phonic pockets across the west rust belt, arizona, nevada and north carolina as well we had great output with our teams there. >> thanks, john. you did an extraordinary job. all we asked him to do was knock on 10 million doors. [laughs] >> we had a few hurricanes that slowed us down a little bit . i want to give credit to tim head our very able executive director, john harbison, just an unbelievable team. we had almost as many paid staff on the ground in pennsylvania as the harris-walz campaign had.

in states where worried that not have as many paid staff where we might not have had 250 paid staff, in georgia, we had about 185 but then we had 600 volunteers knocking on doors for free. we were knocking on doors. we will not give that number out publicly. but our cost per home reached was about 30% of the industry standard. there were some organizations that were paying 3, 4 and five times more for a doorknocking then we were because of the volunteer infrastructure that's been built the last 15 years. the results speak for themselves. donald trump, glenn will talk about this, he carried the evangelical vote 81 to 16% which is within the margin of error of the 84% four years ago.

pew research will come out with data later with a much larger universe of surveyed respondents that may give us another look at that picture. we think we can say trump roughly matched where he was four years ago. but that really understates the effect of this ground game. if you look at the stage where we were actually knocking on doors and distribute in voter guides in churches and sending text messages, the numbers were historic. let me just give you two examples. i am georgia, donald trump carried the evangelical vote 92 to 6%. it is about a third of the entire vote. that means he performed better among evangelical voters than an

african-american presidential candidate did among black voters. that is extraordinary and by the way the largest number ever recorded in an exit poll by any candidate statewide, congressional or presidential. >> the previous high was 91% which was what brian kemp got in 2022 against stacey abrams. the next one below that was the 89% glenn youngkin got in virginia. in north carolina, donald trump won 86% of the evangelical vote to harris' 13%. we would argue, particularly the way both we and the republican party have put such a priority and such an emphasis on building a movement that looks more like america. with more young people, more hispanics, more african-americans, more asians.

while we have done that, they have a serious faith problem. they have a faith problem and they have a limit intact family problem. if they don't do something to address this. it isn't just evangelicals. look at the catholic vote. donald trump after losing the catholic vote i believe by a percent four years ago, winning it by 6% eight years ago, yesterday donald trump won the catholic vote by 15%. and among catholics frequently attend mass -- maybe you got a slide on this -- but i think it is over two to one. i just do not see arithmetically, we don't know what will happen in 2026 or 2028.

this is donald trump's last time on the ballot. there is no guarantee that future presidential candidates will have the kind of appeal with these voters of color that donald trump has had. but if the republican party's candidates continue to make real effort to get those minority votes and of organizations like ours to whom i would argue in the future, it is highly likely the ground game will be outsourced to because it clearly worked, and you can use so-called soft money. so why would you use the hard money? the much more precious hard money of a federal campaign to knock on doors, canvas voters and chase ballots and where it is legal harvest ballots? why would you ever use hard money again of a federal campaign when organizations like faith and freedom, what elon

musk was doing, charlie kirk and others, so i think this is the future. if we are out there seriously going into hispanic and black and asian neighborhoods and knocking on doors and circulating voter guides that are bilingual or trilingual, and where it is legal, harvesting ballots in hispanic and asian churches. i didn't get the final count, john, but i believe we harvested between 40 and 50,000 ballots in asian churches in orange county. if we end up picking up those congressional districts out there, 47 and the others, that will be the margin. if we are out there doing that and they are underperforming among those minorities, while they are losing the evangelical vote, eight to two or worse, and while they are losing the catholic vote by 15 or 20 points, the math doesn't add up.

we know that many news organizations were reporting that the trump campaign had engaged in political malpractice by outsourcing is ground game. i think the evidence is in. we thought the evidence was in the early vote. if they had such a superior ground game, why were we ahead of the 2020 baseline in every battleground state in the early vote? and why were we leading the early vote in three of the seven battlegrounds which had never happened before in any of those states? we were being told their ground game was better than ours. we will continue to work on this. we will continue to innovate. we have got a very good team. if you could see some of the technology these canvassers are using, you wouldn't believe it. they not only can track every house and every voter as they walk through a number hood

based on their ideology and propensity score, but they can watch other canvassers on the block next to them, and which stores they are knocking to and which ones they are leaving door hangers with versus engaging in conversation. so they know that guy has got that block, i don't need to go there. i can leave this gated community and go to the one on the other side. we think this is the future of american politics. i would like to call penny nance up, my very good friend and concerned woman for america, who partnered with us on this exit poll and who has had cwa activists partner with us on the ground game for multiple cycles. she is also a dear friend of mine. talk about what you guys did. >> thank you so much and in case we didn't remember, ralph reed

is a political genius, just for the record and thank you for allowing us to be part of what you are doing. concerned women for americans the nations largest public policy organization, half a million members. over 300 young women for america chapters on college campuses. we have been very involved with this cycle. we are very grateful to partner with you, ralph, and our volunteers doorknocking alongside with the great technology you were able to provide. in addition to that, we did 10,000 miles on a bright pink she votes bus in eight battleground states with $17.5 million of earned media. we recruited 5000 poll watchers additive to what ralph and others did. we are part of the fact that we did 110 billboards in

pennsylvania the last three weeks before the election. we placed these specifically by churches so that when church people, evangelicals, come to church on sunday they saw for three sundays god created male and female, stand up for your daughters and vote. we did 32 point 5 million voter contacts. the very last month, contacted 68,000 women in eight battleground states in 18 counties, seven touches. what i wanted to share is we were part of ralph's exit poll specifically asking about the question of men and women's sports, safe spaces and the unique dignity of women. what we knew would happened happened. that is, 70% of voters said this

is a very important or important issue for them. last night on the set of fox news sitting with some democrat friends and they were completely stunned by the enthusiasm on this issue and how money people came to vote on this issue. we weren't surprised at all. they weren't paying attention. we were telling them every way we possibly could that women's sports are for women. that women deserve our safe spaces. that title ix still matters. and that the women -- women like patsy make it was a democrat woman member of congress is turning over in her grave now that she sees what has happened to title ix. we will keep that message going on strong. president trump was the first to sign our presidential pledge to american women. you can find that on our website. that will be a top issue for us in this next year.

thank you for allowing me to be part of your event. >> thank you so much for what you do. you're women out there are just amazing. they have an amazing spirit. they love this country and the lord. it is always a pleasure to work with your folks. glenn bulger probably does not a big introduction for those of you who are political reporters and follow this business. he i guess either you personally or the firm polled more house races and i think on either side of the aisle. i have made it my business for 20 years to call glenn on election day and ask him what will happen. i don't want to embarrass him but it's been a little scary. he has called the number of house seats to be picked up either on the number or within one every single time because he

is looking at those overnights every night. in dozens of districts. he knows what's going on. he has been our pollster in one form or another for many years and has conducted this postelection survey that we worked with public opinion strategies on. glenn, the floor is yours. >> may be i thought you had gotten the notification but apparently michigan has been called for trump as well. there we go. i want to get back to the beginning. oh, there we go. i don't know how to get rid of that.

i hate to see what the press club has in its watchlist. there we go. so, we did the election night survey with 800 actual voters. they did not have to vote on election day. obviously, a lot of voters vote early either by mail or in person. there was a margin of error plus or minus 3.46%, 95 out of 100 cases. let's get right into the data. they think their going -- think the country is going off the wrong track. in previous elections, the incumbent party loses. it was true in 2020, in 2016. the only time the incumbent party lost where on track wasn't

over 60% was in 2000 when al gore lost to george w. bush, very close election. but when you look at the historical data, it doesn't say nice things about al gore because anybody else in a similar situation wins that election. anyhow, voters wanted change, what happened is not surprising.. biden's approval rating, i know he is yesterday's news, but he is still hanging over the political environment. hanging over politics to make people think about do i want to continue this or change this? he only had 41% approved but only 18% strongly approved -- 45% strongly disapproving matters a lot in politics.

a significant number for intensity strong approve or strong disapprove is 30%. he doesn't come close on the strong approve at 18%. he is well over it on the 45%. i am not here to barry president biden. he was not on the ballot. it shows you the political environment as you are looking for what are some reasons president trump won. political environment is always a big factor. turning to images. this is wild, this is the first time -- the last time we had candidates running with both having more negatives than positives was 2016. before that, we don't have a record of that. either ronald reagan was really liked, george bush, bill clinton, george bush again. and then barack obama, of

course. but here both more negatively perceived then positively. terrace not quite as negative as trump. the difference in 2016 between trump and hillary clinton was even more significant in terms of image. a bunch of voters said i might not like the guy, but i'm voting for him because i think he will do the right thing. when you look at it by religion, can you hear me in the back without a microphone? sorry, it is easier if i articulate at that angle. on top, we have terms image by religion and down on the bottom, kamala harris's image. those who are either catholic or

protestant overall trump was +10, 54-44, so you had a 25-point delta. protestant, the gap is even bigger. trump plus 18, she is -23. among catholics plus 14, she is -17. even then a difference between the two. those who say i am not religious you have trump -57, her plus 44. when you look at data like that, you understand why democrats have problems with religious people -- voters, they just do not have much of that in their coalition. they do, they don't have that much of it. they do not talk to us people that often. that makes it hard for them to

connect with them. and by church attendance. those who attend church weekly or even more frequently, trump is a plus 19, she is a -25, so 44 point difference. 47 point difference among those who go monthly. not much of a difference -- 44 and 47 -- statistically within the margin of error. those who go yearly or never, the numbers flipped, she has a plus 15 and trump is at a -24 image. and then, among white born-again evangelical christians which we had 19% of the sample, you see how big a gap there is, trump is a plus 51, she has a -61, not

too many groups where there is a 112 point difference in the image. harris was not trusted, not well-liked among white evangelical christians. trump, 24% unfavorable is not a small number but the 75 numbers very powerful. and then how about if you are the supporter of the conservative christian movement, 24% of the sample say yes they are, he is a rockstar, 87-13 and she is not, only 11 favorable, 89 unfavorable, if you say no, she is positively perceived and he is negatively perceived. it shows you how important high numbers are because 71% say no, that does not describe me, i'm not a member of conservative christian movement. turning now to the ballot.

overall our survey found 46 i know trump is up by more, but when you project it out the votes that had not been counted and added in, it looks like president trump will win that popular vote by 1%-one .5%. for congress, the republican 47, 46. that a tie as well. 1% on an 800 simple survey is not a statistically significant number. when you look at it by religion, i will skip this first column for a second. protestant, they voted for trump by 22 points. they voted republican for congress by 22 points. catholics, 19 points for trump, 22 points for the republicans for congress.

no religion. not much difference there as well. 72% for harris, 72% for the democrat for congress. overall, among religious voters, you've got 50 and 41 for congress, 56-41 for the president -- for trump. one difference could be why the republican house candidate runs a few points ahead, it could be some districts where you have catholic candidates running, and that would give a little shot in the arm among the catholic vote. by the way, i don't have any proof of that, that's just me speculating. that's a good point. how about by church attendance. if you go weekly or more often, very similar numbers. you will see that across the board. the results track pretty closely

between presidency, senate races, we didn't ask about the senate race because ours was a national survey, than house races as well. in terms of how a candidate did compared to trump. there wasn't a big spaces. there are a few exceptions, but, if you go weekly or more, a little better than six out of 10 voted for the republican. if you go monthly, similar numbers. not a real difference between this crossed have in this crossed have. just a handful of points that's not statistically significant. if you go yearly or never, you can see that harris won those voters by 16, 17 points. democrat for congress won them by 16 points. near the end, presidentially,

evangelical christians, 78% for trump, 81% for congress for the republican. they alluded to the exit poll data showing its 81 percent above evangelical christians. just voted for trump. just know, statistically, there is no difference between 78 and 81. margin of error. essentially the same thing. and if you prefer not tell the precisions -- precision, you can safely say around eight out of 10 white evangelical christians voted for donald trump. finally, if you consider yourself a supporter of the conservative christian movement, that's 24% again. 88% voted for trump and for the congressional republican. of those who say no, about one third voted for trump and their

congressional republican in over 16 -- 60% voted for kamala harris and the congressional democrats. that's overall. i would be happy to take questions about the survey with one caveat, that excuse is i don't have anywhere near as much energy as ralph. i got two hours of sleep last night when he got none. and i haven't looked at everything that you might be asking about. so i apologize for that. the other thing about our energy differences, people don't realize it. ralph said they knocked on 9.7 million doors, he himself knocked on 2.1 million. i just ask ralph to come back up. >> for glenn or me? >> obviously we saw last night

that there were people who voted in favor of abortion rights on the ballot initiative, and then also for republicans and for donald trump. he postulated in the past that that might be a counterintuitive effect of ballot initiatives where democrats thought they were dropped support for democrats but they would do the opposite. you see evidence of that that that counterintuitive effect happened and i'm curious what you think happens next for the antiabortion movement, is it more ballot initiatives or pushing for a national ban? quex we are not big fans of these abortion on demand ballot initiatives, obviously, from the public policy standpoint we don't agree with them. but as a real political and analytical matter, we have never really considered them to be the liability for the party. i think the media and the democrats have argued that they were. and we base that on the exit polling that we saw in kansas

and in ohio. i guess last year, i can't remember, everything is a blur when you get 10 minutes of sleep. but everybody remembers those referendum. i believe it's a cnn exit poll. you can pull it up on their website. one out of every five trump voters in ohio voted for the pro-abortion referendum. similar number in kansas. they seem to think that if they qualify a pro-abortion initiative or referendum in a state, that somehow or another it will draw their voters to the polls and it will hurt trump or some other candidate. we have seen the opposite where voters -- again, this is not our review. i'm just saying as a matter of political strategy, where people go, trump gave me the right to vote on this issue, i'm pro-choice. i'm going to vote for that.

he gave me that right. i'm also going to vote for him because he's going to secure the border, he's going to bring inflation under control, he's going to make america -- she's going to bring down the price of gas, he will make america leading energy producer again, etc. it may have backfired in the sense that -- look at florida. and i don't have it right in front of me, i think trump carried florida by 14 points. i think it was a margin between 800000 and 900,000 votes. so, we will just say for sake's of argument, you can look it up, i don't have it right in front of me, 56 percent of florida voters went in and voted for trump. and 57% voted for amendment four. which seems to me, makes my argument.

it wasn't a weapon that harmed trump at all. not only did they not by, lose argument and the democratic argument that he was going to pass a national abortion ban, i don't even think they believe that. i don't think there were very many voters who believe that. first of all, in order to pass such a ban, you would either have to repeal the filibuster in the u.s. senate and pass it with 51 votes or you would have to get 60 votes. you're not going to get 60 votes for a national abortion ban. we control the house of representatives today. we haven't even brought a late term abortion ban to the floor to be voted on. so, it isn't likely to pass the house, it isn't likely to pass the senate. on top of that, he said he would veto it.

and they continue to run around and claimed that if he gets elected, there will be a national abortion ban. i don't think there are any voters out there that really believe that. and i think they, again, this issue that everybody thought -- everybody is always generals fighting the last war. everybody is refining the 2022 election. it's not the 2022 election. you don't have the same shock to the system, the election isn't taking place 90 days after the dobbs decision are 100 20 days after dobbs. republican candidates who were caught totally flat-footed in the aftermath of dobbs have at least been able to get a little bit of sea legs. to where they actually had an answer. i wouldn't argue that anybody is on the verge of an academy award-winning performance. but they are at least able to string three sentencings -- sentencing -- sentences together.

which for a republican candidate gets you a gold star. i just don't think it landed. >> i'm hoping you can speak a bit more about this massive realignment we solve the catholic vote with the gop. the majority of the catholic vote in 2020 went to biden and in the 2020 election and in this election, a lot of the same issues were on the ballot. can you talk more about why we saw this major realignment? ralph: i don't want to suggest it's all driven by identity politics, because i don't think it is. but i do think whatever you think of bidens social or domestic policies, where he stands on the issues, he is a frequently mass attending

catholic. from pennsylvania. who knows the language and is able to develop an affinity with catholic voters based on that shared experience. that shared faith experience. and we thought that while there were many good things for the democrats that came out of the switch, not the least of which was having somebody who can make it through a 90 minute debate, that

very extreme position that she was taken on abortion to try to run up her numbers among single women and younger women, there was a price to be paid for that. it meant that every time she got up at a rally and looked into a camera and looked into a cameron said when congress passes a law to restore roe v. wade, i will probably sign it. in politics as in marriage, it

doesn't matter what you say, it matters with the other person hears. . i went frequently mass attending and faith catholics. it is you are going to pass a national pro version that will wipe off the books in every state, including pennsylvania that had restrictions on abortion that were passed going back to win casey's dad was governor they were all going to be wiped off the books for her national pro-abortion law, which was extreme and radical. there are other issues, including the gender issue that penny talked about. so we will see whether or not they ever decide they need to do something to fix this problem. this is not the first time we've had a postelection survey news conference or we have said yet

again the democrats have a religion problem it is serious and it is lethal. will they fix it? i don't know. the problem is, it's going to create all kinds of cross pressures on their existing coalition. biden was able to square that circle by personally talking about the seriousness of being seen frequently attending mass in meeting the pope or leaving a service in talking to the father and the priest and so forth. those visual images really matter, meanwhile he was going to the progressive left and saying, you have my entire domestic policy brief, whatever you want to do. so he tried to square that circle. we will never know whether that would've worked if he had been

on the ballot. but i'm dubious. >> good morning, this is a question may be for glenn are you ralph, talk about the support in the democratic party of hamas may be made a difference in michigan, did you pick up on that. was that something the people were thinking about? it seemed obvious that the democrats are trying to play both sides of that and i'm not sure it works for them. >> i'm not sure it works. i don't envy their situation because in the closing days of the campaign it became a bit of a meme and on social media people were posting the ads that

they were running in philly and detroit back to back. and i never really looked at it because we were busy doing our stuff but in philly they ran ads saying we stand with the jewish people in israel and then in detroit they were running an ad about how they were for supporting the palestinians in gaza. i think i got that right. so, it was a problem because you had the blue wall, but you had the arab and muslim vote in dearborn and detroit area broadly defined. then in pennsylvania, i think philly, i think i've got this right, somewhere between 300 and 350,000 jewish voters. so it was a pretty serious math problem. but in terms of our vote, i think that this is been devastating to the democrats.

when i came to washington longer ago than i care to mention, the democrats for the pro israel party and the republicans were the ones who were pushed -- perceived as leaning error. when i was here, reagan was doing the -- with the saudi's. that was when the reagan white house went toe to toe with apac. it was a huge fight and the democrats were far more pro-israel than the republicans were. but as the republican party has become more of a socially conservative party and more of, i don't want to say an evangelical party but a party for whom evangelical christians are a critical, if not the most critical part of their base and now under trump becoming more of a working class party, it has

become very pro-israel and i believe the israel issue and support for israel rivals the issue in the hierarchy of priorities on the cosmology of evangelical voters. penny and cwa, i can't remember what year you guys did this, but you added israel. when cwa was founded in the 1980's, support for israel is not one of the core pillars of the organization, then you guys added that 2013. so there is no way to underscore enough how much this issue resonates with churchgoing protestants and especially evangelicals. and if you went to any of the ballots and believers there are any of the evangelical for trump events in 1620 or 2024. any statement of moving about the embassy of jerusalem recognizing -- or any number of

other things turning the screws on iran, the roar and the applause for that line was often louder than the pro-life line. so it's a really big deal and i think it's helping us. and we will see. we are not doing it for political reasons, we are doing it because we think it's in the united states legitimate national security interest. we think it's good for american national security and we also think it's a compassionate and moral position in terms of ensuring something like the holocaust never happens again and that should -- that the jews can be safe and have their own homeland. that's by we are there for it but i think there's a political event that flows out of it. >> ralph talked about the ad and tried to have it both ways. this certainly is an the only

reason it was like that, but we ask a time of decision making question. did you decide before september and in the presidential, those voters, which is the lion share of 71%. it was 49 per truck -- for trump, 48 for her. in september she won that. he won early october, she won late october, but then in the last few days or today, that's just 7% being very late deciders. despite what they hear his campaign was saying about them having the msg rally, trump won those who say they decided in the last few days were on election day 54-33. i have to think given how much play the two ads got, that had something to do with that margin. >> that is amazing to me. i wasn't aware of that. i don't think i have seen that

in the exits are in your slides, because we are both sleep deprived. frankly the slides are really just fuzzy to me. but, that's the opposite of what the harris campaign -- i'm not trying to take shots at david, he is a very smart guy. but he was going on all the tv shows and giving interviews and saying we've looked at these undecideds, we've looked at the lake decided's, we looked at the people who would break away and they look like our voters, they act like our voters, they are modeled as our voters and that is what will put us over the top. that's 54-33 in the final few days, including the day of. i don't think any of us would've thought was the case. it would be interesting to see why that was. >> it's a multitude of factors but i do believe gaza and harris

was a factor. let's see he's a fascist and i want to bring us altogether because his whiplash when one minute you're giving a speech at the ellipse or at the naval observatory and you are saying my opponent is hit-or-miss. and he's going to be -- to the white house. and you go to your final rally and it's all pink clouds and unicorns and we are going to bring everybody together. i promise i'm going to find compromise, i'm going to find common ground. i'm going to bring everybody together. wait a minute, didn't you just, three days ago -- and i just think that this aggregation of the media universe, the rise of social media. a guy like glenn.

when he was doing polls, 20, 30 years ago, you would ask voters where did you get most of your information about the candidates and it would overwhelmingly be -- she would know better than me, 80 five, 90% or more in tv or newspaper. nice are looking at how much of their stuff is online or social media, you can't get away with this level of inauthenticity anymore. and i think one of the things the media never got about trump was that some of these tangents that he went on, whether it was about arnold palmer, that's as far as i'm going to go with that one, or whether i understand he went on a four-minute rift in grand rapids in the final rally of the campaign about the new nfl kickoff. and everybody was like, that's not how you run a disciplined professional campaign. you do not have a synapse fire

and you start talking about your grandmother's blueberry pie recipe. but i don't think the media has ever fully understood about why he works is when he's doing that, he's really being who he really is. and when she got up and was airing ad saying the opposite things into battleground states and then it kind of got out there in the water, it just showed that everything was canned, everything was focus group, everything was aligned. and they just didn't believe her. >> not that there's anything wrong with focus groups. ralph: this will be the last question. glenn and i will stay around afterwards if there anymore. quex it was highlighted earlier that there were several states

last night were state abortion measures passed and they voted for trump such as missouri, montana, arizona, a state abortion measure passed. trump is currently leading in the race there right now. i wanted to ask how have you revolted abortion play in motivating's faith-based voters in the states to vote for donald trump last night? >> i think it was a factor. i definitely think it was a factor. he is the most pro-life president in american history. he's the first president to appear in person at the march for life he's a first person to defund planned parenthood. he's the first president who not only reinstated ronald reagan's mexico city policy, but strengthened it and made it stronger so our tax dollars are not used to promote or perform

abortions overseas. and most importantly, contrary to the claims of his critics, he kept his promise. not just us but to the american people, that he would appoint conservative and pro-life judges, including the supreme court. and when he did that, roe v. wade was overturned. we should return not to usher in the promised land that he might've one, which is to see every child was protected in its mother's womb from conception to birth. the overturning of roe v. wade did not usher in that policy. what he did do is give the states the opportunity for the first time since 1973 to enact policies that reflect the values and the beliefs on the policy views of their citizens. whether through initiative and

referendum, through direct democracy or through the actions of their legislators and their elected officials. since then, sadly, we've lost a lot more than we won. we found out the hard way that roe v. wade being overturned is in everything we hoped it would be. we are going to learn from this, we are going to get better. the truth is, that 30 little -- dirty little secret is that initiative and referendum has never been a favorable environment for the pro-life movement. we virtually have never been able to win an initiative and referendum. you may remember when arnold schwarzenegger qualified all those initiatives when he was trained bypass the legislator when he was governor of california. what initiative when he was qualified, it was parental notification or parental consent. i can go out and do a survey in almost any state, including

california, and 70% to 80 percent of voters will say, yeah, a minor child, a minor should not be able to get an abortion without their point -- their parents being notified. that's a 70% to 80% versus 25% issue. put it on the ballot and it loses every time, why? for the same reason why school choice tests well in polls and lose on the ballot. going to take on the pro-abortion lobby or the teachers unions, you are not going to get a free and fair fight. it's not like a pole where you just ask people where they stand. they are going to drop 10, 20, 30, 40, $50 million on your head. you will be able to spend maybe three to 5 million on your head. you will get outspent 5-1 at a minimum, may be 10-1. planned parenthood will spend unlimited amount of money on the stuff and they are going to be here.

the legislative environment is our strength. the initiative and referendum is their strength. they are running out of states to do this. in georgia, you can't qualify such an amendment to the constitution without the legislator passing it, which we control. so they will never do that in georgia as long as we have the legislator. at some point, fairly soon, they will run out of states where they can do this. and then it will be our turn. then we also, through our legislative strength, we will be chipping away at their inr victories. and there is nothing that prevents us from -- this is going to go on for a while. as i said earlier, i don't think it has really hurt trump. with few exceptions i don't

think it hurt many of our congressional or senate candidates. i wouldn't welcome another half billion dollars in abortion ads. that's not something i want to invite or welcome. i think they will have to come up with another strategy. because they just lost every battleground state and they are either losing or nearly losing every battleground senate race. so when you have candidates like tammy baldwin who up until now has one pretty easily. all you are running on his abortion, abortion, abortion and you nearly lose, you may want to read it establish your strategy. thank you all very much for coming. we will be sending out a news relief on this survey. we can certainly get you a copy of the slide deck if that would

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