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host: we are joined by tom hartman, the host of the tom hartman program is a live nationwide daily which airs monday through friday on serious xm radio. guest: good morning kimberly, a thinker for having me. host: what was your take on the

outcome of the election? guest: my concern is we are essentially sliding into oligarchy. seven or eight years ago, president carter pointing to the citizens united when the supreme court basically said bribery of politicians is now legal because money is the same thing as free speech and corporations of the same thing as people. that it would be possible for very wealthy people to by elections and politicians and now we have a billionaire coming in as president we have the richest man in the world coming in and oath of them have spent the last couple of years apparently regularly speaking with vladimir putin and victor or bond. the kind of semi-dictator of hungary came over to speak at cpac in dallas a couple years ago.

and laid out what he had done in hungary within a year of his second election, his reelection. he had basically destroyed the independent media. people post on facebook against him and they go to jail. i am very concerned that that is the direction we are heading now and you can get people like cash patel, a trump surrogate saying we are coming for you in the media. i am very concerned that jimmy carter's essential prophecy is coming true. we will have a government for the very rich. >> republicans and donald trump in particular showed a lot of gains this election including among people across demographic groups seeing gains with latino voters and white women. how do you explain some of those gains. guest: i used to work in advertising. 40 years ago.

i owned an advertising agency in atlanta and a few beat people over the head with a message often enough with enough money and enough saturation, you can largely convince them of anything. kamala harris never once mentioned trans people during the campaign and has never really been a champion of trans people. she had that one interview many years ago where she talked about trans people getting surgery in jail. that is certainly not her position now, she walked that back years ago. but the trump campaign and mostly the very large super pac's that were funded to the tune of over $100 million each by multiple right-wing billionaires poured so much advertising into in particular in the swing states arguing that

that was her entire agenda basically was hey let's elevate trans people. people bought it. which is perfectly understandable. advertising works. it is the reason why most commercial television networks and newspaper still exist. if it didn't work they would not be around. so i think the narrative was taken by this -- i understand there's roughly about 150 billionaire families who through most of the money that was behind trump into this campaign. and of course they are looking for tax cuts and those in business have in a big way especially the industries like the fossil fuel industry they're looking for deregulation and more subsidies. in subsidizing to the tune of billions of dollars a year. they want more and it certainly

looks, putting a fossil fuel lobbyist in charge of the interior department for example which trump just announced it certainly looks like they will get their investment will pay back. my big concern is this department of government efficiency that elon musk and vivek ramaswamy are supposed to run, there is talk that they want to carefully evaluate our entitlements programs which of course his social security and medicare and medicaid. i do not think the average american realizes how bad it could get. i do not know if it will, but there are some probably some practical political limits to what they can do. but i am just very concerned. host: i want to pull up a chart okg at some of these areas where trump gained voters including 46% of latino voters

backed trump up fromev points in 2020. trump nng latino men 65% to 43 wning among white women 53% 45 if we look at these last two, noncollege graduates 56% voted r cop ashford donald trump and 64% from rural americans supported trump. why do democrats struggle with these groups in particur, noncollege graduates in dutch and rural america. host: again to go back -- guest: again to go back to the massive advertising. there was also the social media presence and of course elon musk tweaking his algorithms to promote right-wing messages suggesting that because democrats have traditionally been the party that related to the -- joe biden was the first president in the history of america -- it was democrats who brought us the five-day workweek work week

and 40 hour work week, the weekend, unemployment insurance, social security, medicare and medicaid, all of those things. but also democrats since the 60's have been the party that has defended racial minorities and since really the 80's defended gender minorities that a caricature of democrats and the democratic party i mentioned a minute ago about going after kamala harris has been created that this absolutely massive right-wing ecosphere that has emerged since the 80's you've got three television networks funded right-wing billionaires, one of them a foreign billionaire, fox news. you've got 1500 right-wing radio stations. we now have 300 right-wing radio stations that broadcast in spanish. this came up in the last four years.

you've got 700 or 800 christian stations that have in many cases abandoned talking about jesus and started talking about politics. you have churches where they are ignoring the law and preaching politics from the pulpit. it is this massive cumulative effort and there is nothing like that on the left. we have never developed a strong -- we had air america for about five years and in 2008, there was kind of a broad consensus that america -- air america helped barack obama get elected. host: i don't know if you want to grab a drink of water or something, but i do want to read something here. i will go back to something you mentioned earlier. since the 1960's the democrats have been the party that

supported racial minorities according to your assessment. i want to look at this chart about distribution of white voters in particular. the democrats have not won the vote amongst white americans since 1964, overwhelmingly over the years white voters still voted republican. and democrats have lost support among white voters even since barack obama in 2008. what do you think that means for the future of the party and the parties dynamic? guest: i think what it reflects is the deep racism that is still at stand among white people in america. certainly the trump presidency and even his successful campaign in 2016 which frankly shocked me. i am a white guy, i grew up with white people and i knew that white racism was out there, i heard the jokes and slurs as a

kid and all that kind of thing but i never realized how broad and how deep it is. 1960 four was the year lyndon johnson put forward the civil rights act and actually passed congress. it was the end of apartheid in the united states paid i'm old enough that i remember as a little kid my parents taking me to the jack tar in michigan. that was the fanciest hotel in town and had a really nice restaurant and for their anniversary what i was seven or eight years old they took us to dinner there. i remer the sign on the side of the building pointing to the colored interest. this is the 1950's. that all ended in 1964. that was over the next five years we saw all these southern democrats, all of these guys flip and become republicans

because the republican party who was not in a big way taking a position on this, very goldwater ran for president in 64 actually opposed the civil rights act. his argument was this was the job of the states not the federal government. when ronald reagan ran for president in 1980, the first speech he gave as an official candidate of the party was in philadelphia, mississippi which is the site of the murder of three civil rights workers, a sure, cheney and goodwin. his entire speech to an all-white white audience was about states rights which was code back then for we never should've passed that civil rights act and we should go back to an apartheid united states. it's been pretty much that way ever since. trump has tripled down on it. i do not have an explanation beyond for this very clear racial divide that exists.

beyond just the shocking reality that at least half of whit