>> appointed to vote for president of the united states is 538. within that whole number, the majority is 270. the votes for president of the united states are as follows,

donald j. trump of the state of florida has received 312 votes. kamala d. harris -- [applause] host: welcome to "washington journal" for january 7. vice president kamala harris presided over uneventful electoral count in the house. a stark difference in the events from four years ago. it prompted some to slickly if the event on the attack of the capitol are fading into memory especially while democrats on capitol hill promised to keep that memory front and center. president trump's victory on the following lines this morning. if you want to comment on the certification, (202) 748-8000 four democrats. (202) 748-8001 for republicans. an independents, -- and

independents, (202) 748-8002. if you want to make your comments on the congress certifying the president elect's win via text, you can do that at (202) 748-8003. you can post on facebook at facebook.com/c-span. and also, you can post on x, @cspanwj. here is how the papers across the united states, the major publications, took a look at the events yesterday in congress with the certification of president-elect trump's victory. congress certifies trump election without incident. the washington times, their front-page headline, trump election certified in subdued process. democrats make no objections. turn to the pages of the new york times. this is their lead story.

peace not mobs as ritual feels trump's victory, in contrast with 2021. congress certified votes with no objections from democrats. a picture front and center of the vice president residing over the electoral vote count, as part of her job and duties as vice president, alongside the majority leader or the house speaker mike johnson. the headline, congress ratifies trump's win in peaceful session, unlike 2021. that is how the big papers played it out. if you watched it on c-span, you watched the whole thing play out, and you can still do so on our website, c-span.org, and c-span now. yesterday after the votes that counter that seal the president-elect's election. [video clip] >> the state of the vote for president of the united states as delivered to the president of the senate is as follows. the whole number of the electors

appointed to vote for president of the united states is 538. within that whole number, the majority is 270. the votes for president of the united states are as follows. donald j. trump of the state of florida has received 312 votes. kamala d. harris -- [applause] kamala d. harris of the state of california has received 226 votes. [applause] the whole number of electors

appointed to vote for vice president of the united states is 538. within that whole number, the majority is 270. the votes for vice president of the united states are as follows. jd vance of the state of ohio has received 312 votes. [applause] tim walz of the state of minnesota has received 226 votes. [applause] this announcement of the state of the vote by the president of the senate shall be deemed a sufficient declaration of the persons elected president and

vice president of the united states. each for a term beginning on the 20th day of january, 2025. and shall be entered together with the list of the votes on the journals of the house and the senate. thank you very much. [applause] host: again, those are the events of yesterday. you can still see it on our website and our app c-span now. as part of the coverage yesterday, the discussion in the papers taking a look at how this year's electoral vote count contrasted sharply with events four years ago. aaron blake in the washington post this morning writes under this headline, america's views on january 6 right increasingly moving towards meh, and he writes this saying a poll

released last week shows 15% of americans approve those who stormed the capitol, people that president trump has lionized and spoken of as kindred spirits, but the same poll says that people through a combination of fading memories and trump muddying the waters have adopted a more meh attitude to a seminal political moment. after the dust settled on the insurrection four years ago, americans overwhelmingly agreed the very basic threshold question of whether the riots were bad, more than eight in 10 americans and even three quarters of republicans disapproved of them. more than seven in 10 americans strongly disapproved. today, those numbers have fallen substantially. the most recent poll shows the percent of republicans disapproved of the rioters has dropped to 50% and the percentage was strongly disapproved has dropped even more from 55% to 24%. that is part of the coverage of the events of yesterday.

you can roll that into your comments, taking a look at the congress's certification of the electoral vote counts. if you want to call and make your thoughts known, (202) 748-8000 for democrats. (202) 748-8001 for republicans. and independents, (202) 748-8002 . if you want to text us your thoughts on the events of yesterday, (202) 748-8003. you can also post on our social media sites at facebook and on x. we will hear from mike joining us from new york state, democrats line, all the certification of president-elect trump's victory yesterday in congress. mike, good morning. caller: good morning. host: you are on. go ahead. caller: i have been watching your vote count. it educated me a lot. i have been watching for the last three days.

i enjoy listening about history and politics. and i don't really tell anyone how i vote. host: when it comes to the vote count yesterday, you said you have been watching a lot. what did you learn from the process and how it played out? caller: i learned it is very contentious in the old days. and the process. i watched the cameras showing the certification going on, that it is just an automatic thing. and i saw some of the historic objections. and i see that it is just

something i did not realize, that each state and i did not realize d.c. gets three electoral votes since 1970. host: ok. that is mike there in new york. the certification playing out yesterday. you can make your comments about those events, including the involvement of the vice president kamala harris as part of the process there. independent line from chicago, this is greg. go ahead. caller: yeah, hi. i want to say i watched it. yeah, i think this was the most important election we had. i think trump was the better candidate. this could have been our last election, most people feel going back to the collusion stuff. it will take years, and i am sure they will investigate what was going on. most people don't feel like

there was an insurrection. there was a ryan against the corruption in congress. some people should be punished for that but they are just using that. host: ok, greg in chicago on our independent line making his comments. if you go to the website politico, this is a story they have taking a look at part of the events yesterday going back saying january 6, 2021, is in the rearview. this is about cheney saying the battle was physical, a hand-to-hand fight to stave off an insurrection to keep a defeated donald trump in power. 2025 is psychological, it struggled by prosecutors and victims of the violence to prevent a victorious trump from erasing the harrowing reality of that day. backlash over how americans remember the january 6 attack reached monday even at the

proceedings of the capitol as kamala harris presided over a drama free election. "i still believe donald trump is the main instigator of what happened four years ago. i think history will record that exactly the way it is." that is a former chair of the january 6 committee telling politico, going on to say the effort to minimize what occurred and the fact that somehow when people saw with their own eyes really did not happen, history will record differently. that is in politico this morning if you want to read it out. if you want to talk about the events yesterday overall as part of the process of president-elect donald trump becoming president on january 20, kathy in michigan on the democrats line, you are next. go ahead. caller: good morning, c-span, pedro. that smirk on mike johnson's face as he is sitting there just

makes me -- it is infuriating. it does not look like he is serious at all. this is a serious business. kamala harris should not have been the democratic nominee. i am not in support of the way the dnc runs the nomination process, the whole thing. it makes me sick to think the state of michigan went for trump also, but it seems to be the michigan democratic party is the same way. we are not -- they don't involve people. i live in northern michigan and it is semi-rural, and everyone i work with, and these are good people who voted for trump for the most part because the democratic party is not inclusive in northern michigan. the local party here in the county is not inclusive. i don't even -- i used to belong

to the local democratic party. i don't anymore because all they talk about is their great retirements from education and so on. this is the truth. host: all that said, how does this relate to yesterday? caller: well, it just saddens me deeply that i don't think that trump is the voice of the people. i think he has hustled people and he succeeded again. and i remember, pedro, when trump won before, i remember watching a community in the lower michigan flip from clinton to trump to clinton, and i saw the same thing in pennsylvania. and it made my hair stand on end practically because i thought the votes were being stolen. host: ok, that is kathy in michigan. one of the people commenting yesterday on the events of yesterday, the certification process, was senate minority

leader chuck schumer on the capitol hill. here is a portion of his comments. [video clip] >> we hope we serve as an example to our colleagues. we are not election deniers. we lost the election. we regret it. but we believe in the strength of our democracy and that when you lose an election, you roll up your sleeve and fight for the next one. you don't deny that you lost it and encourage people to do bad things because you did not want to admit, any person did not want to admit that they had lost the election even though the facts were overwhelming. we hope our republican colleagues will see this and never see what we are doing. some people stood, some republicans stood up, but we hopefully will see what we are doing and never again allow,

encourage what happened to happen and don't deny and stop denying what actually did happen. host: again, the minority leader chuck schumer on capitol hill. congress certifying president trump's win yesterday in congress. (202) 748-8000 for democrats if you want to comment. (202) 748-8001 for republicans. and independents, (202) 748-8002 . let's hear from chuck in maryland, democrats line. you are next up. hello. caller: how are you doing? can you hear me? host: you are on. go ahead. caller: yeah, i just want to say it is a travesty they beat up police, had an insurrection, and people are trying to whitewash it, telling lies, telling lies, and telling lies to become somebody else's truth. you can't live with the truth. if you can't handle anything, you make it worse.

if you can't handle it, it will make a situation worse. if you can't handle somebody bleeding or blood, you can't help them. they lied so much. it is just amazing. i heard the first guy get on and talk about they just ransacked the capitol. it is a travesty. i am kind of at a loss for words at the amount of lies that have been told and people believe and they come up with all kinds of excuses for donald trump and all the things he has done. just absolutely amazing to take the truth and turn it into a lie. host: in contrast, what did you think of the vice president's role yesterday in this process? caller: i think al gore, kamala harris, and the democratic party stand on precedence. for the republicans, this is

power. we do what we want to do the way we want to do it, and if we could, we would do what we want to do. we will see that with donald trump and the policies he puts forth because he does not care about the people, especially the small people who voted for him. host: ok, that is chuck. let's hear from the reason fredericksburg. you are next. caller: good morning. i learned quite a bit from the electoral college voting. i learned that they changed the laws in 2022 to codify into laws what the vice president powers really work regarding the electoral that's really where regarding the look -- really were regarding the electoral college. in 2020, he asked pennsylvania to recount and to object to some of the states. and in 2022, they codified into

law that no, he did not. so before, the law was correct, the vice president should have objected. and then i learned the power of the democrats is actually the 82 votes they received from california and new york. and that is how they win california and new york. period. host: mike pence, former vice president mike pence, who presided over the electoral vote count you remember when then trump lost the election. this is the headline from fox news, saying the former vice president call it particularly admirable for the karen vice president kamala harris to preside over that election, saying a peaceful transfer of power is the hallmark of our democracy, and today members of both parties in the house and senate and the vice president certified the election of our

president and vice president without controversy or objection. mike pence declared in a post on x, he congratulated president trump and vice president elect jd vance on their victory and hailed the return of order and stability to the certification process. that certification taking place yesterday as we have been showing you portions of it. you can still see the whole thing on our website, our app too. you can make comments on it on our lines. democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. and independents, (202) 748-8002 . josh is in iowa, independent line. you are next up. go ahead. caller: thanks for taking my call. i just want to say i used to be a big democrat party supporter. i think what they do nowadays is they use donald trump for a cover as for their own failures,

their own -- like they just don't do anything for the people anymore. they used to be the party that was antiwar, prolabor, you name it. like they were the party of the people. and now both parties are just basically the same where they use -- host: and how does that relate to the certification process yesterday? caller: in some tangential way. it is probably not benefactor y to the show. that is all i had to say. host: ok, let's go to bill in chicago, democrats line. hi. caller: how are you doing? host: fine, you are on. go ahead, please. caller: i just want to say congress certified trump's presidential win yesterday. it really irks me because this

is a rapist, a liar, a cheater. you can cut me off if you want to. you cutting me off? host: you are still there. caller: ok. host: he was charged with sexual abuse. caller: i don't care what they found. this is what i saw with my own eyes. he is a liar, cheater. i was raised in the south where white people got away with that stuff. dominant majority white males and latinos. i said what i wanted to say. thank you. host: ok, kimberly up next in maryland, republican line. caller: good morning, pedro. thanks for taking my call. i just want to say that i'm glad things went smoothly yesterday, and i hope everything goes smoothly. i just think we need to bring integrity back into our country,

you know. host: kimberly, go ahead and finish your thought. caller: good morning, pedro. host: we already got all that. go ahead and finish your thought. caller: i am glad things went smoothly yesterday. i hope everything goes smoothly. we just need, you know, i don't know, trust god that things does go smoothly. it was good they had harris. host: kimberly, i am going to stop you there because you may be listening to yourself on television and there is a bit of a delay involved in that process. callers as you call in, make sure you turn down your television as you wait to get on the line.the new york times takes a look at the role previous vice presidents took in similar roles that vice president harris was put in place yesterday, losing an election but having to oversee the electoral vote count. the new york times highlights the fact that another vice

president lost the bid, hubert humphrey in 1968, skipped the ceremony to attend the funeral of the first u.s. secretary general stoltenberg, leaving the task of counting votes to senator richard russell, president pro tem of the senate. including walter mondale in 1981, dan quayle in 1993, and of course mike pence in 2021. both mr. nixon and mr. gore had plenty of motive to object to the outcomes that they certified. mr. nixon lost to john f. kennedy by about 118,000 votes out of nearly 69 million cast. advisors urged him to challenge the results, but he refused, maintaining it would tear the country apart. four years later, mr. gore won the popular tally by more than 500,000 votes out of the 105 million cast only to fall short in the electoral college. more there from the new york times taking a look at how previous vice presidents have

handled the duties of the electoral account over which they lost. john and washington, d.c., republican line. good morning. caller: good morning. a lot of people keep talking about j6, but they forget about all of the ballot harvesting that prompted all the questions around the election. i just want to say that yesterday was the first time that kamala did not deliver her signature cackle. not a single time did she cackle. that was the first time i did not see her cackle. host: ok. leon in fayetteville, north carolina, democrats line. go ahead. caller: good morning, pedro. good morning, america. in fayetteville, north carolina, served in the military for 34 years. at i want to tell you something. when i saw that stuff on television four years ago, it was not a ryan, it was a sacking

of the capitol that never happened since 1812. 1812. history will remember this. thank you very much, pedro. host: one of the people making comments about the role the vice president played was the vice president herself. here is kamala harris in remarks to the press after the election certification. [video clip] >> today was obviously a very important day. and it was about what should be the norm and what the american people should be able to take for granted, which is one of the most important parts of our democracy is there will be a peaceful transfer of power. and today, i did what i have done my entire career, which is take seriously the oath that i have taken many times to support and defend the constitution of the united states, which included today performing my constitutional duties to ensure that the people of america, the voters of america will have

their votes counted and those votes matter, that they will determine the outcome of an election. i do believe very strongly that america's democracy is only as strong as our willingness to fight for it. every single person. to fight for and respect the importance of our democracy. otherwise, it is very fragile and it will not be able to withstand moments of crisis. and today, america's democracy stood. host: the comments of vice president kamala harris yesterday as part of that certification process. we have been asking you about that. we will transition and let you comment on other matters of politics, particularly at several events of news have happened in the last day. we will change over to open forum, if you want to make comments on politics and policy. and if you want to do that, the

lines are the same. democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. and independents, (202) 748-8002 . to participate in open forum, you can still comment on the events of yesterday if you wish on the certification process. you can still make those comments on our various social media channels, texting us at (202) 748-8003, posting on facebook at facebook.com/c-span, and on x @cspanwj. but we will take those calls for open forum in just a moment. so go ahead and call and pick the right line that best represents you. if you called in the last 30 days, if you can hold off doing so today, we appreciate it. republican line, this will be from arno in bay city, michigan. go ahead. caller: hi. how are you all doing this morning? i would like to comment on the way these things are run. we allow them to liv --

lie. what does it show? everybody in america is lying. there has to be something that shows real honesty. host: how does that specifically relate to the certification process of yesterday? caller: they lie. they lie about everything, just like kamala harris. everything she says is either a lie or does not make any sense. certifying the president of the united states, you have over 700 million votes, and people are still complaining he did not win or it was not really that way. and then you see the certification. she is getting all of these numbers. it is confusing to me. host: ok. patricia in arizona, independent line. you are next up. hello. caller: hi. how are you?

i just want to say it was shameful of msnbc to show january 6 four years ago and not even talk about today's 2024 win, which they are very sour about still. also, they were talking about all of these casualties that day, and i just want to remind america there was only one casualty that day, and it was ashli babbitt. she was shot by a cop for breaking a window. also, the executive from facebook was at fox news this morning. they are taking out of their reduction of political speech. they are apparently -- during the biden administration, there was a man talking -- ban talking but immigration and transgender. harley davidson come along markham and others came out and said they were getting -- harley davidson, walmart, and others

came out and said they were getting wind of their racist employer. that they put aside so they can pick people on race and gender. everybody felt liberated is the word i would use after trump won. people can have free speech again. look in the higher the way they should again, and the country is back. host: ok, patricia they're entering us into open forum. (202) 748-8000 for democrats. (202) 748-8001 for republicans. and for independents, (202) 748-8002. this happened yesterday. usa today reported that president biden monday taking actions to permanently ban offshore oil and gas drilling off the atlantic coast, protecting millions of federal acres from leasing. president-elect trump vowed to reverse the ban, calling biden's 11th hour move ridiculous and promising to "un-ban it

immediately." president biden issued two presidential memoranda on the outer continental shelf lands act to prohibit offshore drilling off the entire u.s. atlantic coast, the eastern gulf of mexico, the pacific coast, and the continental united states, and portions of the northern bering sea in alaska. drilling off these costs could cause irreversible damage to places we hold dear and is unnecessary to our energy needs, adding it is not worth the risk. again, that yesterday. mention that in open forum if you wish. we will hear from bernice in georgia, democrats line. hhi. caller: hi. how are you doing? i am calling to congratulate come of her upstanding speech, but she did yesterday.

no violence or anything like that is all i called to say. thank you. host: ok, we will hear next from will in wisconsin, independent line. caller: thanks, pedro, for taking my call. yeah, i'm 81 years old, and i feel what has happened during the last two elections, and hearing we are a country of laws is what separates us from other countries, that no one is above the law, i think it is a joke for politicians to say that because it has been proven that there are some that are above the law. and donald trump is one. no matter what they say about the transition of power that the democrats are doing, which is

cool, it does not remove the fact that we are not a country of laws and no one is above the law, and i don't understand how politicians can continue to say those words and expect people to believe them when they have seen what has happened over the last four years. host: ok. paul is next in new york, republican line. caller: yes, i would like to know how many people actually voted versus how many people were eligible to vote. host: why is that important? caller: well, apathy. host: what do you mean by that? caller: well, when my son was in iraq and they had their first voting, they had close to 95% of the population actually vote. i am curious as to how many people in the u.s. were eligible

to vote that actually did vote. host: ok. paul there in new york. president biden, you saw him make his action on drilling. he is heading to california today for another event, creating two national monuments in california. the hill reporting on that saying the president will announce today the creation of the national monuments protecting a combined 848,000 acres of particular significance to tribes. they are likely one of the last if not the final conservation actions completed by the biden administration before president-elect trump takes office. according to the white house, resident biden has conserved more land and water than any other president, adding the six and 24,000 acres -- 624,000

acres will be at the meeting in the mohave desert including woodlands and canyons, including a canyon which is known for its colorful wall. the president traveling to california to make those announcements later today. this is from david in south dakota, democrats line. you are next up on open forum. go ahead. caller: did you say david? host: yes, and self day photo -- yes, in south dakota, yeah. caller: i just want to say i was really proud yesterday to see how real democracy works. the transfer of power. without riots and people calling for a vice president to be hung. i just was proud of the way it was handled and not the way we acted like four years ago, a third world country or a communist country would act. i am proud of the way things were handled yesterday.

and i guess we will live with the next four years, whatever you want to call it. but thank you. host: coming up next in michigan, independent line -- kevin up next in michigan, independent line. caller:? i was scanning through the numbers of the last three numbers, and apparently you democrats have lost 20 million votes between 2016, 2020, and 2024. between 2024 and 2020, democrats lost 20 million votes. did the rapture come? did they die of covid? where did 20 million american votes go in the 2024 election? because there were, let's see, you had 86 million votes in 2020 , and then democrats had 60 million in 2016, 60 million and

2024. so i am curious where did 20 million democrat votes go? until someone can tell me where 20 million votes went, i would say the election was rigged in 2020. hopefully someone out there can tell me where 20 million democrat voters went. thank you. host: that is from kevin in michigan. the previous caller asked how many people did not vote. if you go to u.s. news and world report, a story there with data out of the university of florida. how many people did not vote in the election. so the caller and others who might be interested, they say close to 90 million according to this day i stayed out of voting. that is based on population, not necessarily registered voters. there is more there in the u.s. news story if you want to read it for yourself, anybody who might be interested. in this open forum, in oklahoma, republican line. we will hear from jim.

hello. caller: yeah, something that is repeated over and over from democrats, which is nothing but a lie and another reason teachers don't want the pledge repeated is when kamala harris talked about democracy. in no way whatsoever is the united states of america a democracy. it is a republic. democracies are mob rule. in a republic, you have your rights regardless of what party or individual is in charge. it is a constant line, mostly from democrats, when they talk about some democracy. it is a republic. host: ok. jim there in oklahoma. this from axios, something to look out for in congress on capitol hill this week when it comes to immigration. this is from axios. the headline, congress launches an early immigration crackdown

at a president-elect trump's inauguration saying leaders are holding the first vote this week on a bill that is the center of a heated political debate over immigration. the expected vote in both chambers makes clear republicans plan to keep hitting the border issue, putting pressure on democrats trying to find their postelection footing. the house will vote tuesday on the bill, which requires the detention of undocumented immigrants convicted of certain nonviolent crimes such as theft. senate majority leader john thune begin the process to allow a vote on the senate version of the bill likely on friday according to a senior senate gop aide. the bill was named after a nursing student murdered last year by an undocumented immigrant who had previously been arrested on theft charges. again, the 119th congress underway. look for those months to play out. if you want to watch it play out on the house side, you can stay close to c-span. on the senate side, c-span2 is how you can view it. always on our c-span app also to

find out what is going on on capitol hill. you can make comments on the legislative process including these votes in our open forum. (202) 748-8000 for democrats. (202) 748-8001 for republicans. and independents, (202) 748-8002 . let's hear from victor. he is in brooklyn, new york, democrats line on this open forum. go ahead. caller: hi sir. i heard how they mentioned how he wants to ban offshore drilling and i completely disagree with this. host: why is that? caller: i think because it will take away jobs from people. there is a lot of unemployment right now going on in the u.s. biden, he just doesn't care. host: ok. marie next south carolina, independent line. hi.

caller: good morning. host: morning. caller: i am a regular viewer of c-span. my husband and i, we are very appreciative of this channel. we voted since 1972. we regularly participate in the political system. we are just appreciative of the fact that ms. harris comported herself as everyone knew she would. you know, some of the snarky remarks and ignorant remarks never cease to astound me like the in quotes remark, cackle. she was a happy warrior on the campaign trail. that is what we want from our campaigners. so much is broken from our system. i mean so much. there is so much hatefulness and snarkiness. so many people who amaze me

they call into this channel of all channels bereft of facts and any contextual history about our country. the gentleman that just had the little mini rant about we are not a democracy. we all know we are a republic, but we refer to ourselves as a democracy. that's pettiness. it is really sad. but we praise you and thank you for the great job you do. i really can't help but believe at this point that all we can do is pray for our country and be a good citizen as well as we can. but we thank you, pedro. host: democrats lined up next, this is from california. michelle, go ahead. caller: good morning. i just want to point out that donald trump is notably the only modern u.s. president who refused to fully cooperate with

the transition process after losing the election. i just find that so irksome because he did not formally concede to biden. he refused to let the biden officials communicate so that the transition would be smooth. i just wanted to point out that is a lack of class. thank you. host: again, it is open forum if you want to participate. (202) 748-8000 for democrats. (202) 748-8001 for republicans. and independents, (202) 748-8002 . if you want to call in. one of the things to watch out for as the day progresses is president carter currently in georgia, lying in state at the carter center. about to be taken to washington, d.c., for a series of events there before he lies in state at

the capitol. stay close to c-span for all of that. again, this is what the scene of the capitol outside with the flags at half mast because of the death of former president carter. this is from the associated press saying nearly 44 years after jimmy carter left the nation's capital and humbly defeat, the 39th president returns to washington with three days a state funeral rites starting today. mr. carter's remains which have been lying in state at the the carter center will be accompanied by extended family. special air mission 39 will depart northern atlanta and arrived at joint base andrews in maryland with a motorcade into washington and the capitol where members of congress will pay their respects in an afternoon service. mr. carter, the former president who died summer 29 at the age of 100, will then lie in state

wednesday. he receives a state funeral thursday at the washington national cathedral. president joe biden will deliver a eulogy. events regarding that and you can stay close to c-span to watch those events play out. former carter, especially as he comes to washington, his body for the series of events. let's hear from eric in new york, democrats line. hello. caller: yes, good morning. my message is kind of quick, but i would love to tell the politicians and all the armchair politicians that are calling in to play fair or the victory is worthless. thank you very much. host: what does that mean? ok. let's hear from bill in alabama, independent line. caller: good morning. i just want to call and say president biden is doing everything he can in spite and

to spite the president trump. it is really sad. and of course, he is not doing it. someone else is doing it. but that is just the way it is. goodbye, paco. host: that is built in alabama. speaking of president biden, yesterday he visited new orleans after the terror attack that killed 14 people. he landed there monday afternoon. that was about 3:30. the president and the first lady beaded with grieving families and community members impacted by the terrorist attack. as part of those events, they visited the growing bourbon street memorial where they placed flowers and prayed over the victims. the president also meeting with federal, state, and local officials before attending a prayer event. if you go to our c-span website or at least our c-span feed on x, you can see some of that video from the president and the first lady lady playing the flowers at the memorial on

bourbon street. again, more there on our x feed if you want to see more of that. let's go to aaron in philadelphia democrats line. good morning. aaron in philadelphia, hello. caller: yes. host: you are on. go ahead. caller: yes, i am calling about the topic today. i'm calling because mr. trump, he is a good guy as far as i am concerned. a lot of people don't understand why he is not running for president. he ran for president because when this reporter asked him years ago was he going broke because of his bankruptcy, he replied, no, i am not, but if i ever get broke, i will go for president.

i can understand. why wouldn't you? no president can do nothing. he really did not have any ideas even when he started to run. he did not have no ideas. he always said to wait and see. you wait and see for what? and that is about it. thank you. host: sabrina next, los angeles, democrats line. hi. caller: hi. i want to comment on the transition that happened yesterday, which i felt was very fair since we did not get that in 2020. like i was sent before, the older woman called in and said she did not understand why they put so much rhetoric, basically rhetoric on the statements that are made which is that you did not hear kamala 's cackle.

everything is so racist and so mean right now and it really does need to calm down. we need to pray. everyone stated before that everything just transitioned the way it is supposed to. however, the individual, and my personal opinion, that we have an office, that is not something i believe i am going to see. i believe we are going to see something really major in his term as far as my particular point is going to be when he starts to pardon the individuals that tried to tear down the capitol, that did the most damage. that will get really ugly. and hopefully no one will get hurt in the process in order for them to start understanding and seeing exactly what this individual represents. he represents nothing but rhetoric and hate. thank you. host: again, when it comes to the january 6 criminal charges

and those facing those, more than 1500 people chard with related crimes and events connected to january 6. about 1000 of those pleading guty. 250 have been convicted by a judge or jury after a trial. that is the associated press' take as of early december last year when it comes to those criminal charges. you had president elect trump talk about the possibility of pardons of those individuals, a topic that came up in that meet the press interview. here is a portion particularly dealing with that. [video clip] >> you promised to pardon those who attacked the capitol on january 6 on. january 6 are you still vowing to follow through on that process? >> we are looking at it right now. slightly. those people have suffered long and hard and there may be some exceptions to it. i have to look, but if somebody was radical, crazy, there might be some people from antifa there. you don't know because those people seem to be in good shape

. what happened to the scaffold man? he stood on the scaffold and told everybody. what happened to ray epps? where is he? what happened to him? the people who did very little, -- they arrested an old woman because i don't think she did anything. they don't even know what she did. these people have suffered. their lives have been destroyed. and yet in portland, where they burned down half the city, they burned it down all the time like a routine occurrence, they don't do anything. they attacked a courthouse, federal courthouse. they always say federal building. they destroyed the beautiful limestone exterior. they killed people in portland. seattle, people got killed in seattle. seattle, they took over a big chunk of the city. they took it over. they took the city away.

minneapolis, it looked like when they said this was a friendly protest, and yet over on cnn's shoulder, the entire city was burning. it looked like run or two. nothing happened. but wait, nothing happened. they took over the police station. they took over the police station in minneapolis. they burned it down. the thing happened to anybody. these people have been in jail, and i hear jail is a hellhole. they have the reports, and you would say that is true. they have done reports. this is the most disgusting, filthy place. these people are living in hell. i think it is very unfair. i will do it very quickly. >> very quickly. but some of them, 169 of them have pleaded guilty to assaulting police officers. 900 pleaded guilty to other crimes. they will also be eligible to a pardon from you? >> listen. it is a very tough system. you know, almost nobody -- i saw people that did not even go into

the building and they were convicted. and you had the police saying "come on hand, come on and." the police are saying, "come on in everybody." you have a lot of cameras. they don't want to release the tapes. they don't want to release the tapes. >> but you will consider pardoning those who pleaded guilty. >> sometimes they say here is your choice. >> you are not really get up? >> i don't the system forget it is a corrupt system. this people go to jail for two years or 30 years. their lives have been destroyed, but the system is a very nasty system. host: that is president elect trump on this idea of pardoning those involved in january 6. if you go to the website of politico by the way, there is a piece by a professor at indiana university. he makes the case for the current president joe biden to give a pardon to those involved. he writes amongst other things,

saying it would achieve several things. a political coup. trump can't pardon anyone if president biden beats him to it. pardoning house officials who investigated the insurrectionists. it would serve a higher purpose, helping heal our national trauma. it would send a powerful message of forgiveness. the democrats proposal serves several goals, correcting or preventing injustice, but all are also partisan and none does the other thing pardons can, promote social peace. a general pardon for january 6 insurrectionists by biden would. there is more thereby 10 waters of indiana university and the politico magazine. let's hear from bill in virginia, independent line on this open forum. go ahead. caller: yes. yeah, i don't think that donald trump should be allowed to be president again. he never conceded.

he tells one lie after the other one. he has close self-esteem. and i think he will go down as the worst president in the united states history for all that he has done. he ought to be ashamed of himself to want to run for president again. all the lies and all the terrible things he has done. shame on donald trump. that is all i have to say. host: becky in ohio, republican line. good morning. caller: thank you for having me, letting me talk. i am disgusted on how these people are acting like biden and them did not have something to do with the january 6. i believe they did. nothing will ever change my mind because they did let people in, and there was only one lady killed in there and that was ashli babbitt. my husband's military. and i am telling you what, these people -- i hope patel gets in there and they clean house all

these people that have light. thank you. host: from eve in grand rapids, michigan, democrats line. caller: yes, good morning, pedro. as i was telling the receiver, i had called before. i had not had anything to say since donald trump was elected. but at the same time, they are talking about people breaking into the white house. yes, they broke into the white house all right. and people are coming on here day by day saying ashli babbitt was the only one that was killed. that is crap. ashli babbitt was handled the way she was supposed to be handled during an insurrection at the white house. with that being said, these people also coming on here talking about donald trump and pardoning him and pardoning the people that were there storming the capitol, none of them should be parted.

donald trump should be in there with them. he committed a grave injustice to this country. and there is nothing that will ever undo that. my to satisfaction with what went on has never stumbled about what they did, and what they did will always be a crime. and they should not be parted. and trump should not be president. host: ok, one more call, mike from new york. hi. caller: hi. what i would add to the caller just said, pull talking about burning cities, it was worse, but people forget that trump was in charge during that time. trump was the president. so why didn't he arrest those people and put? themin jail because -- and put them in jail? because he was in charge when all of those bad things he is talking about was happening.

thank you. host: that is michael. he will finish off our open forum. lots to watch for in the day ahead. not only the activity of congress. again, you can follow along in the house and senate, c-span and c-span2 respect of the, but also with president carter coming to washington, part of several ceremony events. and you could always find more information on those and other things happening in and around washington, d.c., when you go to our website at c-span.org. plenty of information there about the events of the day and things to watch out for. again, that is c-span.org. coming up later in the program, we are the winter talk with christine mcdaniel. she is going to talk about president biden's decision to block the $14 billion acquisition of u.s. steel by japan's nippon steel. but first, we will talk about

yesterday's resignation of canadian prime minister justin trudeau, what it means, and that conversation will be chris sands , director of the canada institute at the wilson center. speaking of the canadian prime minister, he made that announcement yesterday. here is a portion from his resignation announcement. [video clip] >> friends, as you all know, i am a fighter. every bone in my body has always told me to fight because i care deeply about canadians. i care deeply about this country. and i will always be motivated by what is in the best interest of canadians. at the fact is despite best efforts to work through it paralyzed for months after what has been the longest session of a majority parliament in canadian history. that's why this morning i advised the governor general

that we need a new session of parliament. she has granted this request in the house will now be probed into march 24. over the holidays i've also had a chance to reflect and to have long talks with my family about our future. throughout the course of my career any success i have personally achieved has been because of their support and with their encouragement. last night over dinner i told my kids about the decision that i'm sharing with you today. i intend to resign as party leader and as prime minister after the party selects its next leader through a robust nationwide competitive race. last night i asked the president of the party to begin that process. this country deserves a real

choice in the next election and it has become clear to me that if i'm having to fight internal battles, i cannot be the best option in that election. >> washington journal continues. host: the resignation announcement of the canadian prime minister, christopher sands is joining us with the wilson center. he served as the director of the canada institute. good morning to you. guest: good morning pedro. host: canadians watching this intensely but for americans, could you talk about what it means for americans that this action is taking place? guest: in the canadian system which is like the british system, a prime minister needs a group of people from his own party to become prime minister. a liberal seven 100 53 seats in parliament. in the house of commons there are 338 total.

get 50% of the seats you need 170. they only have 153. this is therefore a minority government so it is very vulnerable to the opposition. that means the government could fall at any time and justin trudeau has done a very good job trying to manage issues and to stay in parliament as long as he has. what has changed recently has been a real lack of confidence in his leadership on the part of his old party, so this isn't something that canadian public is involved in, although fully shows that conservatives, the opposition party are sometimes 22 or 23 points ahead of the liberals. i think what has happened is a lot of liberals are very concerned that they will lose the next election which will come up october of 2025.

his own members said you have to go. because he started already with the opposition which outnumber some, if his own starts bleeding away, he gets in trouble. he's really resigned because he is recognized inevitably he doesn't have the support of already, can't win. host: as far as the american public watching these events play out, what does it do to the relationship in the short term between the united states and canada? guest: there is the short term, the near term, slight difference. in this system, he is replaced by another member of his party. so there's going to be a leadership contest. until he stepped down from being prime minister, all the members of the cabinet are still running

the departments currently. but the premise or did this he asked the governor general who represents king charles iii who we all know is king of england but also the king of canada because they have a constitutional monarchy, the governor general was asked to do what is kind of like to reset. it sets a break between the first question -- first session of this parliament and the second session as soon as they come back. that means that there's no questions here, all of the elected members will be away from ottawa. on the other hand, it means that the civil service, members of the cabinet and the prime minister continue to do their jobs. to give an example, prime minister to go with to mar-a-lago to promised president trump that he would take strong action on illegal migration and border security. in order to avoid a 25% tariff

that the president elect to strive to impose on canada and other countries. that deal will continue until he government capable of delivering those investments and will proceed accordingly. if you are flying to canada, airport security will continue. if you are trying to visit canada, that will continue. for many of the things about canada with americans, we are in this phase were quite a bit of that will continue as normal. even at the political drama is going on. host: when you see the response that the president-elect has to these events of yesterday you maybe saw what he posted on truth social saying many people canada love being the 51st state, the united states can no longer suffer the massive trade deficits that canada needs to stay afloat. justin trudeau knew this and resigned and canada merged with the u.s. there would be no terrace, taxes would go way down and they would be totally secure

from the threat of russian and chinese spies that are constantly surrounding them. it goes on from there. but despite the language, the tone coming from the president-elect regarding the actions of the prime minister, what do you get from that? guest: it's a funny fine line. i think the president has enjoyed making fun, talking justin trudeau. they've known each other for a long time and donald trump remember has met several times with justin trudeau's father who with the prime minister between 1968 and 1984 with one little blip in the middle. so this is a relationship echoes a long way back, and i think the president has given justin trudeau a bit of a hard time. in the last two years, trudell has tried to convince his voters that the conservatives in canada, conservative party leaders are maga lite or a

trumpian conservative, he's accused truck drivers involved in a protest in ottawa of being an insurrection like january 6. very extreme and very critical comments that clearly show the prime minister was feeling negatively about donald trump and his supporters. so trump turned the table and is now tweaking justin trudeau, so politicians all have egos, with all due respect to members of congress here, but i understood that as a little bit of taunting and relatively harmless. the danger, and this is where i worry a little bit, is that by suggesting kim is no more than a state or that it should be just one state rather than several, i think you diminish canada as a neighbor. canada is overall one of the best neighbors we could possibly want. if a trading partner, canadians generally like americans and

some of your viewers will remember on 9/11, canadians took in american travelers who were stranded because of the closure of the border. we had a long history of working together well. i think you can disagree with justin trudeau, i think it is dangerous to complain about the canadian people who didn't do anything to deserve top thing or abuse from donald trump. if he is not careful he will easily make people who genuinely like united states and want to be helpful. host: christopher sands joining us for this session. if you want to ask questions you can do so on the line (202) 748-8000 free democrats. (202) 748-8001 for republicans. independents, (202) 748-8002. for canadian viewers in the audience who want to call and ask questions, you can ask our guest (202) 748-8003. and you can use those -- you can

use that same number to text us if you wish. tyrone is in missouri, democrats line. you're on with our guest, go ahead. caller: i'd like to say that i'm glad that trudeau resigned because -- host: you have to want the language when you call in, we won't accept that kind of thing. for those of you culligan, just remember that. mr. sands, talk about what happens next and who possibly could be the replacement for mr. trudeau. guest: very good question. canada has a fixed election date for years after the prior election, so that is why they have to have an election by october 20 2025. if the opposition is united, they can bring down the government. parliament is suspended until they get to march 24 of this year.

on that date, there will be a new leader for the liberals, they will have a new cabinet to announce, and they will begin the session that is read by the governor general on behalf of king charles. in that moment is sort of like the state of the union, except the speeches written by the government and lays out their plan for how they want to proceed. both chambers, canada has a senate as well as a house all gathered to hear this speech. you can also vote down the speech, there will be a parliamentary vote after it, so it is possible that that moment will bring the government down. the next thing that will have to happen is canada's budget has to be announced. for those who follow these details, canada has a budget cycle that typically, they need to have a budget announced in

april, so you will see very early on what lays the groundwork for a budget vote. the budget vote could also bring the government down. what we are seeing now is that all of the opposition party plans bring the government down, so that would give us a likely election in late may, much sooner than october when it has to be, and that is to take advantage of the fact that the liberals are still frustrated with justin trudeau and the conservatives have a thick advantage in the polling. they don't want this new government to get any credit or start to turn the numbers around, they would like to have an immediate election and they hope to replace trudeau and the liberal government. host: as far as the liberal party itself, who is the emerging favorite, so to speak? guest: -- host: mr. sands?

guest: i didn't mean to talk over you. there are a couple of possibilities. one of the events that trigger the prime minister's resignation was that his deputy prime minister who is also the finance minister resigned from cabinet. very frustrated, and she resigned with a letter that she posted on social media so that it was very public, her criticism of justin trudeau. christian friedland, some people will remember, has been a journalist. he wrote for the economist and the financial times, has a very good media sense. she will immediately be one of the first people looked to by liberals to be the next leader, in part because she broke with trudeau and because she has a very different personality. he is much more progressive, she was canada's foreign minister as well and the trade minister who

some of your viewers will remember from the renegotiation for the united states-canada agreement. she was really the lead of canada's team, the counterpart to robert lighthizer. so she has a lot of name recognition. she's got a very strong personality and a lot of favorable views among canadians for how she might do as president. there are a couple of other leading contenders. mark hardy who was the governor of the bank of england but before that, governor bank of canada is very well respected in the financial sector from brookfield which is a large property company and also from bloomberg, an american company, he is chair of the board. very well-known, very well respected. not a politician in the sense of having been elected to office before, but he is somebody that the prime minister has tried to recruit for cabinet and i think

he will be a leading contender. after you get past those to the contenders are a little bit harder to guess. christy clark, the premier of british columbia, a liberal has nothing to do with the trudeau government. she's been mentioned as somebody from outside the liberal government to have a fresh start. we've also heard some -- heard from some french-canadian voices, people who speak french primarily. -- from fact, is a very dynamic, very engaged politician. ethan leading canada's effort on ai, critical minerals, trying to deal with a range of other aspects of the canadian economy, so he has a lot of name recognition as a politician.

from montreal, the current foreign minister has been mentioned by some. from toronto, the minister of transportation, she's really sharp. i'm not sure she's going to run this time, but she would be a great candidate. last but not least, leblanc is from new brunswick, by lynn you will, he led with justin trudeau and went to meet with president trump and mar-a-lago and some think of him as may be justin trudeau's favorite attentional successor, but i don't see him necessarily playing the role of financial leader, but perhaps kingmaker in backing one of the other candidates in order to unify the liberals. host: let's go to john in virginia, democrats line. caller: thanks for taking my call.

i want to say to the guest that the number one issue that canada has is the housing market in canada. young people cannot get a job. when you see that every store in canada right now, you see how we change the whole situation. she's bringing more from overseas. kids when they graduate, there no jobs in canada. number two, i want to say that this prime minister, the biggest mistake is while joe biden's president, you have no reason to get another president. you should wait until donald trump becomes the president and you visit the country. but the reality is canadians, there's nothing of housing.

they don't have enough income to buy food, and he brought a lot of ukrainians, he brought a lot of syrians. the whole country changed everything. that is not the problem people are talking about. host: he mentioned unemployment, he mentioned housing, he mentioned immigration. the economy as a whole, how does that factor into the decision by the prime minister? guest: i think the caller is right. canada has had a very positive relationship with immigration over the years because they have had a point system that favored people who came with money to invest for advanced college degrees so that they were very quick to assimilate and didn't need a lot of help. this has changed in some ways in the united states as well that according to the united nations on refugees, we have as many as

120 million displaced people around the world looking for a place to start over and an economy that are strong enough to support them. many of them have tried to come to canada and then come to the united states. but prime minister trudeau has been particularly generous in trying to bring people in. this is because of a concern that they need more help, and canada has always been able to help them. one of the things is housing. this is sort of good news-bad news. canadians are hanging onto their houses longer and they are not building houses tacit f for younger canadians which if you add new immigrants, they will also need a place to live, of course. in one of the things we seem as well, there are a lot of ukrainian canadians who decided

to go back to europe because they couldn't afford to get a job and find a place to live. and one other thing which i think john picked up very perceptibly, and that is young people trying to get onto the property. canada has a very conservative system but when you have as much as 25% down payment, most people borrow from the bank or mom and dad and they get that initial money but it is very hard on the five for a loan if you don't have that. the other thing is they don't have the fixed mortgages that we have in the united states. mortgage terms tend to be much shorter and when they come to term to renegotiate that it is at a new interest rate. and as we see interest rates go up, that pushes the actual cost of renewing your mortgage higher and higher and for a lot of canadians, especially young canadians, it's made housing

unaffordable even if it was available. a lot of the economic issues overall, who i think sincerely wants to respond to these but his policies so far have a lot of people feeling that he hasn't done that. host: toronto, good. caller: hello, can you hear me? as you know, canadian our spenders very high, and i'm really upset about the fact that trump is always talking about taking over canada. there's no way on earth we canadians would ever want a person like trump and his behavior to ever have an influence over canada or politics. as i stated, we would not vote

in a guy that is a convicted sexual assaulter with 34 felonies, is absolutely no way, that is for america. i want to know with the possibility of this guy is ever coming close to us in terms of having any influence on politics. we do not want him. all my friends of a certain age, we do not entertain mr. trump, we do not want him. to us, america has made a sad mistake of voting in someone like that. it is pretty embarrassing for myself as a canadian to go to europe because we are neighbors, to actually have to explain why americans did that. it's really embarrassing. i just want to know is there even a slight chance for a slight possibility of this guy ever getting close to us in

terms of influencing our policies or even taking over canada? host: toronto, thank you. guest: that's a very good question. personally, i don't think there's much support for asking canada to become the 51st state. here in washington, d.c. i think they have a better case for it. it is the kind of bluster that we've become accustomed to here in the u.s. with donald trump, and i think this is something that i worry about, which is that donald trump in mocking justin trudeau and his government has gone a little over the line in giving canadians some concern talking about buying green from denmark. i don't know that that is constructive. on the others feel obliged to say something positive i think

as canadians they've always done a very good job of differentiating between the american public. george w. bush was not that fond of bill clinton and all of the shenanigans over the years, canada certainly gets a good dose of american politics but have made very different choices of their own despite the fact that our governments aren't aligned, we felt the most successful trading relationship in the history of the world, almost $3 billion a day crossing the canada-u.s. border. that means that we rarely export to each other in our countries, the actually make things together. and that has made it much more prosperous. in 37 states canada is the number one export market. many americans enjoy vacationing in canada, particularly early after covid or after 9/11. they were looking for a safe place to get away, canada was a

very popular destination. and of course many canadians enjoy coming to the u.s., so we have a really good relationship that has not only been positive, but has helped us prosper. not just proximity, i think that is the reason canadians have been willing to look may be more at their american friends at any given time. and while i find the president's rhetoric unfortunate, i also don't think it has much reality to it. first, i don't think the president is correct that canadians have a straight vote on the national referendum the joy united states, but second, i don't think the u.s. is prepared to do what it would need to do to take over canada. certainly we are not doing anything. and beyond that, the purchase of a country like canada would balloon the deficit. it just isn't practical. so my feeling is that canada

should be safe with all those things, but there is a certain insult that comes with canada talking about being a state which is really unfortunate as it is not acceptable when u.s. relations with canada are good. host: this is alan from ontario joining us. caller: good morning and thank you for taking my call. i just wanted to speak about what i've learned as a canadian to the next -- last 10 years or so. so i've been on disability and that got to see a lot more than they would have if i had not been on disability, and one of the things i've seen is that we don't have politics in canada. our political system is a unity party and air government is being controlled by the world economic forum. i would like to see c-span speak more about that, because the world economic forum is taking more and more control over

countries, fighting vaccine mandates, etc. so i'd like to see a conversation about that please. host: that is alan from ontario. guest: thank you for that comment. i think this is one of the things we are grappling with at this particular time so early in the 21st century, which is the debate about how accountable our governments are to their voters. populism is driving a lot of politics, and i don't mean populism in a pejorative sense. populism is about doing things that are popular, the opposite of elitism, and i think we had periods in both of our countries where we had elite governments that thought they were making the right decisions because they felt they knew better, and yet in the big first wave of globalization that we all experience, a lot of blue-collar workers lost their jobs and the election we just handed the united states in 2024, both

parties, president biden's campaign with vice president harris but also president elect trump sought to reach voters who had been displaced by globalization in our nation. i think that is a trend going on worldwide. some people say it is a conservative shift worldwide. i don't think so. i think it is a shift of more populist politics, but i'm pleased to see that people are concerned about those voters. but i think is coming which we are really going to have to struggle to deal with is trying to adapt for things like artificial intelligence, challenges that puts on people who spend a lot of money on their education. people who are trying to figure out how they can find their way in the world and avoid being replaced by a chatbot or some other device. we were talking in earlier segments about the extensive housing in canada, and i think we need to make sure that we have economies that work for all

of us. in one way is a policy that solve the problem, but to listen to the public and make sure the public has a chance to know what is going on and do so in a very transparent way. and i would just add one thing. i think a lot of canadians look at politics and we do everything out in the open. all of the fighting, all of the arguments. every member of congress brings up an idea that can get into the headlines and we battle it out very much in public and i think it can be nerve-racking to not know which way the u.s. is going to figure out who is influential and who is doing a better job in american politics. canada has a model were all about fighting occurs in cabinet behind closed doors, so i think alan is right to say that there are a lot of people who aren't clear who is running the show, whether it be trudeau or the people behind him. american openness creek a lot of conspiracy theories and makes us wonder whether we are being told

the truth, but i think the fact that the u.s. lets it all hang out can be scary but i think it is relatively more accountable. host: christopher sand serves of the canada institute director. how did you develop such an interest in canada that you got the position? guest: well i still feel lucky that i got it. i grew up in detroit, michigan, so a border kid, i guess. when i was coming through, this is a very academic answer, when i was coming through undergraduate years, political science was rediscovered, a kind of political economy approach. i tried to link politics and economics. prior to the 1980's the u.s. was mostly associated with --but it started to come in as a new way. the deterministic lens, we were starting to look at money in

power. most of the smart kids i went to school with were using those tools to understand european integration in the emergency eventually. i grew up new the border, i knew that we had a 1956 defense production sharing act with canada. we integrated the auto industry which is my hometown industry, and shortly after i graduated from college, what struck me early on with that the u.s. and canada were either walking down a road similar to europe or going their own way. so i was lucky to be able to come to washington. i went to grad school at johns hopkins, they have a great foreign policy school. your viewers will know some of them. i thought maybe i would go into

government but i didn't necessarily want that, so i started working in think tanks and had the chance to be in national studies, the housing institute. it is a great honor to be here. i still find every morning something fascinating going on in canada. yesterday morning it was justin trudeau resigning so you never know what you're going to get. host: thanks for the expertise and sharing it. thanks a lot. coming up on the program, she's going to discuss predent biden's decision to block the $14 billion acquisition of u.s. steel by japan's nippon steel. later on in the program, author and journalist jonathan -- wro a biography of former president jimmy carter to discuss his life and influence in american politics.

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products, apparel, books, home to core and accessories. there is something for every c-span fan and every purchase helps support our nonprofit operation. shop now or anytime at c-spanshop.org. washington journal continues. host: and guest is christine mcdaniel. she served as the senior trade economist in the george w. bush administration at the white house from 2005 to 2007. here to talk about a pending decision concerning u.s. steel and protests, thanks for giving us your time. guest: thank you for having me. host: for those who are maybe not following as close as you are, explain what has happened in the last few days concerning u.s. steel. guest: the last few days on january 3, president biden

officially blocked the deal to japanese steelmaker nippon steel when they made an offer to acquire u.s. steel and they were trying to work the deal out. the committee on foreign investment in the united states, you will hear a lot about that in this case, treasury make sure that these were deals that might give off a red flag that were credible and don't pose a national security risk. come to a conclusive result, and they picked it up to the president and president biden blocked it.

and president biden said that there was credible evidence that this japanese steelmaker might take action shed threatens to impair the national security of the united states, and that is where we are now. both sides have taken this to court. people said it will be held up in the courts for a while and then the next administration, the trump administration will likely play a key role in deciding how this ends up. host: why was nippon steel interested in u.s. steel? guest: mergers and acquisitions across borders happen all the time. somebody sees an opportunity and they proposed a merger or acquisition. in this case, it sounds like they saw an opportunity to

invest in u.s. steel in terms of their comparative advantage was integration into global value chains, and arguably superior firm-specific capital and technology and more advanced innovative production techniques. they wanted to bring back u.s. steel, plus u.s. steel being inside the u.s., they are protected from tariffs. remember in the reagan years when reagan started putting up all those barriers for imported automobiles, and then what happened was japanese automakers jumped over the tariffs and started making cars in the u.s. they see the u.s. getting more protectionist, so they want to invest in the united states and

protect themselves, not be harmed by those tariffs. so it has the potential to be a win-win for the japanese steelmaker that because he could keep u.s. steel going. host: could you elaborate? guest: u.s. steel has been struggling on and off for decades now. the steel industry in general in the u.s. has been asking for protection from import competition also for decades. sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. eventually, global economic rallies catch up and they come back asking for more production. it's in president bush's

administration, that happened. and then a lot of anti-dumb thing continues before and after that. and then of course president trump used a national security tool for more tariffs for steel. so this industry is one that just is constantly seeking protection from foreign import competition. and whether that is right or wrong, that is just the reality of the situation. u.s. steel, for the most part, is not necessarily globally competitive. there are components that are fairly competitive globally, but overall u.s. steel prices do tend to be higher than global prices. host: christine mcdaniel for

this conversation concerning the essential sale of u.s. sale to a japanese company. if you want to ask your questions about the issues she's talking about, (202) 748-8000 for democrats. (202) 748-8001 republicans. independent, (202) 748-8002. you can text us your questions or comments. pair is part of the statement from president biden concerning his concern abo sale saying there is a strong domestic lyon and operated steel industry representing an ntial national security priority and is critical for resilient supply chains. that is because our infrastructure, our auto industry are defense and industrial base. as a committee of national security and trade experts across the executive ranch, this acquisition replace one of america's largest steel producers under foreign control and create risk for national security and critical supply chain. that is why i am taking action to block this.

that being said, has there been a specific given about whether national security concerns are? guest: we haven't seen anything publicly given yet. no publicly available details on that so-called credible national security threat. they don't really have to make it public, but maybe it is there, maybe it is not, i don't know. but so far it hasn't been publicly detailed with that critical national security threat is? and it is interesting, the committee on foreign investment in the united states is a committee of several agencies. treasury, commerce, etc. this time there was reportedly, it wasn't unanimous consent.

reportedly, treasury, state, and the pentagon all agree that there was no national security threat. so that is what it was surprising that the white house did say there was a credible national security threat when the pentagon itself said there isn't. that is all we know publicly. host:ere the response from the teel president who almost served as ceo. president biden's action today is shamefurrup gave a political payback to a union that is out of touch with its members while harming our company's future, our workers international se. he insulpan, vital ally, and put american competitiveness k. the chinese communist party leaders are dancing in the streets and biden did it all while refusing to even meet with us to learn the facts. our employees and communities deserve better.

what do you think of that response, what is interesting about response to you? guest: both sides are going to be making their statements now. it's look, when the steel was first announced as an idea, last year, my gut reaction studying this initially for a while was that could be a great opportunity, good for the workers, good for the company, good for the u.s. steel industry. it has that fresh injection of capital, fresh technology, new innovative production. also a really good, strong tie to cycle a strong steelmaker and a very strong allied country like japan. and notwithstanding any credible national security threats, it should be up to the company to decide what they want to do and

if they think it is a win-win based on the market conditions, then it is a win-win. it's not surprising he is saying this. there's also been some reports that there has been some extra lobbying on the case by the unions and then by another company which is another u.s. steel maker, and so it sounds like that is being cited a lot and some court cases being filed. so it will be interesting to watch how this plays out. post: that is the courtside. we have a new president coming in just a matter of weeks. what is his take on the deal? guest: president trump has said publicly that he does not like the idea of a foreign entity

taking ownership of u.s. steel. but during campaign days, people say a lot of different things, so we will have to wait and see. also president trump is someone who really thinks it is core to respect the market and not disrupt the market so he has a lot of competing interests here. so far as he says he has opposed the deal, but we will see when he gets in and a team gets in and maybe they will have a fresh take on this and all the information, not just the information that they were privy to. and who knows, i don't think this is over yet. host: what would change the situation on the ground, either a change of position by either this president or the next, but what other factors could change? guest: if there is a credible

national by biden, the trump team will have a different lens through which to view national security. what is seen as a national security threat to president biden might not be seen as a national security threat to president trump and his team. the criteria might be different for trump and his team, and we will just have to wait and see. host: in general, is there a sense if this deal were to take place have those employed by u.s. steel would be affected, when they lose jobs, would they be able to keep their jobs, any sense of what would happen to the employees? guest: that is what was because nippon steel -- this is what was so striking big pond steel committed to honoring all of the labor union terms and conditions that they had already worked out.

so they weren't going to touch any of that. they were going to keep all those employees, keep all of their salaries and benefits. they also agreed, and i personally have never seen this before, they agreed to give the u.s. government veto power over any potential plant closures in the united states. and that was interesting because that touches on u.s. government interest in keeping up industrial capacity. so that was a big thing driving the trump section 232 on steel. that was a big thing they wanted. i want to say 80, 85 percent, something like this. and trump saw that meeting a certain threshold and not going below it is really important for

national security. so maybe if they still have that criteria, maybe they can work through that. i don't know. you also have to remember these are still market forces at the end of the day, either private investors, private shareholders. even if nippon steel doesn't buy them, if u.s. steel is no longer viable, they are not going to survive in the long run regardless of how many tariffs go up. so if they really want the best for u.s. steel, that may or may not be merged with nippon steel or an acquisition, but it might be. and you've got to be open to this if you really want to buy a u.s. steel company. host: our guest formed at this former white house senior trade economist in the george w. bush administration and is currently a senior research fellow at george mason university. let's hear from richard in

pennsylvania, democrats line. go ahead. caller: yes, what i'm learning is why the politicians and everybody thinks that we can't take our steel plant and make it work. trying to sell half of the steel plant to nippon steel, i don't understand what makes everybody think that should work, buying all of this equipment and stuff, like bethlehem steel years ago in buffalo, new york. they wanted to clean up their admissions through taking care of i guess the stacks and stuff, and i didn't know exactly what, they were putting so many tactics out there for the area around their steel plant.

could you give us a break on our taxes? they said no. it was about five miles on route 5 up to bethlehem steel, and we can keep giving away all our industry and these companies, bethlehem steel, nippon steel wants to come into it, are they going to guarantee that because nippon committed to our steel plant that we can't operate in a productive way to make money? i don't understand. host: we got the point, thank you very much. we will let our guest respond to that. guest: nothing is guaranteed. they are going to put their money where they can get a return. the u.s. has a lot of history of acquisitions.

remember back when chrysler filed for bankruptcy, 2009, italian fiat came along and acquired a majority stake. that was a huge success. now they are called stellantis, one of the world's largest automakers. chrysler might not have made it had it not been for that acquisition. oftentimes it doesn't work out. remember when china acquired -- when china tcl acquired ota back in 2004, that did not really work out. sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. usually there is a list of things that tend to happen when things do work out, and then when they don't work out. one question is whether nippon steel is overpaying for this. not all of japan's investments have worked out well. on the other hand, some have

worked out very well. but nippon steel isn't just paying a big premium. they pledged to invest $2.7 billion in union-representative facilities. that is more than u.s. steel was planning on doing. so to the extent that one is concerned about the long-term viability of u.s. steel, this is consistent with that notion. host: if you are on at makes the comment instead of the u.s. steel going to allied countries like japan, how does that work into these kind of deals? guest: absolutely. japan has, is one of our strongest allies, argued lee the strongest ally in asia -- arguably the strongest ally in asia.

they're one of the strongest investors in the united states in terms of foreign direct investment. headed not been for maybe sort of a protectionist move, would be interesting to see what would have happened, what congress would have done 10 years ago but things seem to be a little different now. but absolutely. you look at the deals, there's been about seven or so deals that u.s. presidents have said no that they have blocked, and most of those have been with countries that are not close allies. in fact, i'm just looking at a list last night and about half of them were with china. so absolutely japan is a huge and important ally, and if there's anyone that can be a strong partner for u.s. steel and their viability, even think that there definitely at the top of that list. host: ohio, republican line. caller: hello, thank you.

i wanted to know what role the united states international trade commission is playing in some of these deals, if any. i was concerned when i learned about a year ago that the trade commission denied a west virginia tin plant getting tariffs and subsequently the plant and all the employees lost their jobs and were shuttered. my concern is that sometimes these agencies created will deny american companies protective tariffs, therefore undermining u.s. workers and u.s. companies and supporting the foreign companies that sometimes are rather immoral. thank you. guest: a great point on that. the international trade commission has an important role in anti-dumping cases.

she is probably referring to that anti-dumping duty case. so the idc, they do rule on those particular dumb thing duty cases. but this issue, there is no direct role for the trade commission. this is an issue on foreign investment in the united states on departments within the administration. you get trent -- treasury, pentagon, etc. so i could see it involved directly in this decision. host: lewis, another pennsylvanian joining us on the line for independents. go ahead. caller: good morning.

i read on the internet that nippon originally made an offer to u.s. steel to purchase it but initially they only wanted to purchase the mills that are in nonunionized areas and then u.s. steel came back and said would you like to buy them all, and so nippon did come back to make that offer. i imagine some concerns are that if nippon didn't want the older type of steel mills that are unionized but had to buy them to make the deal work, that maybe somewhere down the road nippon would find a way to close those mills, keep the many mills that are modern in nonunion locations, and that ultimately these bills are in western pennsylvania that people are so concerned about, they would close. because even if you guarantee that you will do something in the future as part of a contract , you can always break the contract and pay the damages if you really want to get out of it.

and i think that is something that people are concerned about that doesn't get mentioned much. thank you. guest: yeah. i mean, who knows. when they abide by that, i don't know. but it is a good point, they just wanted the higher tax lands. frankly that is just a higher productivity level, lower cost point of the speaking. nippon steel technological advancements are amazing. they've done digital transformations. using digital technologies in the production processes, they've invested heavily in developing these new steel alloys and materials.

high-strength, lightweight steel. that would just be a huge plus for u.s. manufacturing, especially at a time when the past administration and the coming administration are so focused on rebuilding manufacturing in america. you want u.s. manufacturers to have assets to globally competitively priced steel. but if you have a preference that it is made in the u.s., you want steel producers using the best technology or the best quality and best price point. so look, i get there is a lot of political pressure around these particular workers, but it's not a god-given right to have a particular job and a particular wage with great benefits for your whole life. i mean, who wouldn't want that? i get it, but in terms of the rest of the economy and u.s.

manufacturing, if we want u.s. manufacturing to survive, we've got to give them assets to globally competitive prices. this seems to be consistent with that notion. host: before we let you go, i do want to ask because of your previous experience as a trade economist in the white about the president-elect's general approach to tariffs? >> he is the tariff man, he things tariffs are beautiful. he is a self-described showman. so i think we often tend to overreact to things he might say here and there. but he does see tariffs as an important tool. he's also made very clear he wants specific trade arrangements. if you can use the whole toolkit may be including tariffs or the threat of tariffs to get better trade deals between the united states, why not?

on the other hand, so it could turn out to be a win-win but on the other hand if it doesn't work out and other countries that could turn into a global trade war. we've seen president trump in the past with terror threats very successfully, on the other hand we've also seen tariffs stay on with no real no real benefit. it does seem to -- i think that will make it a little bit hard to keep his product -- promise on bringing down inflation so he's got his work cut out for them there with fiscal discipline and energy policy, but he does see tariffs will be a big part of that plan. host: there's a story in the washington post saying there's a possibility that there is going to be a sharpening of the presidents approach to tariffs only applying to what's known as

critical imports according to those interviewed for the story. what might be considered a critical important end if tariffs only apply to them what you think the impact is on the united states? guest: applying a broad-based term it will have a different economic effect than these particular tariffs on these particular sectors. although i saw that washington post pieced. right after he tweeted i don't know how this got out. i think a lot of things are being said right now but in terms of donald trump space, those of the key industries around ai, semiconductors, may be advanced technologies. used in defense manufacturing, those of the types of supply chains that they may be referring to that some are black-and-white as part of

supply chains. so there will be a lot of room for how do you define the defense industrial space and nondefense. >> let's hear from brenda is in florida, democrats line for our guest. >> good morning and thanks for taking my call. i went to work in baltimore in 1978, they employed 30,000 people. 25 years later, due to imported steel, they closed and could no longer compare their prices with the prices of imports. my question is, before these companies are bankrupt and closed down, too they consider what it does to the economy in the area? i have moved from baltimore since then, that's my question.

host: thank you caller. guest: absolutely. the effects on people and communities are definitely real. i grew up in illinois, my dad had to move around a lot. sometimes we had to move with them. it's you know, it can be jarring. everyone's just try to do the best they can. and i do think that the last -- the biden administration in the trump administration these days i think washington policymakers tend to have a more heightened awareness of those hardships then they used two. but there is still not that much that washington can do to change

the fact that the idea -- of the end of day we are all subject to competition and technology changes. in terms of unfair foreign competition yes we have trade policy tools for that and they treaded do that the best they can but at the end of the day no job is ever 100% secure and that's why we have to keep thinking, focus on growing the economy instead of how to divide it up. the growing economy the tradition costs tend to be easier, finding a job tends to be easier. that's why economists are always so focused on economic growth as it really helps ease the adjustment cost of these types of changes that you talked about. host: miss mcdaniel, viewer off of x at least saying this, i would be pretty ironic to call u.s. steel owned by foreigners

es the statement it costs more for the new ste america because the environmental regulati established thato't exist in other countries are regulatory issues a factor here. guest: to some extent yes. u.s. regulatory regime tends to be stricter than in many other countries especially low cost countries like china. but for japan, i don't think that's the case anymore. usually as countries get richer they tend to get cleaner, but then also using more and more technology and now they are also using ai to monitor the ambitions. during the whole production process. so we just have a lot more tools now to make regulatory compliance and it's likely less costly in the united states.

and so yes regulatory issues are there, some regulations are probably not necessary but at the same time we do need to keep water clean, air clean and safety in place. so trying to balance those competing interests. but nippon steel doesn't seem like they would have any problems complying with u.s. regulations. >> you talked about the legal challenges that they are going to push back against the administration, what's the legal argument facing these companies that want to buy u.s. steel, what do they have to prove? >> i am not a lawyer but nippon steel and u.s. steel both filed lawsuits against the biden administration, they've alleged unlawful political interference and violations of due process.

they also initiated legal action against cleveland cliffs, another u.s. steel maker that has reportedly been excessively involved and unduly involved in these negotiations. a rival steel producer. they accuse him of anticompetitive actions aimed at undermining the proposed merger, so it looks like in terms of what they filed they will be focused on anticompetitive actions and also unlawful political interference violating the due process. so i haven't seen anything about national security concerns. but in terms of the due process in the u.s. has a very black-and-white process for these things and it's really important those rules were

followed and currently nippon steel and u.s. steel believe in this case they were not. so it sounds like that was with the lawsuits will be focused on. host: did you ever face a similar type of situation when a foreign company wanted to buy u.s. company during your service in the george w. bush administration. guest: well, not really. not one that seemed to get this much news. i was looking trying to remember the cases we had, there was a deal -- i'm trying to think, there was something where chrysler filed for bankruptcy in 2009, that seemed to go through pretty well. the -- the uk's berkeley acquired lehman brothers in 2008. that went over pretty well. there was something though that bush, i think bush when the uae

tried to acquire -- in 2006 and president bush did block that deal citing national security concerns regarding foreign entities having too much control over critical u.s. infrastructure. >> i want to get your thoughts on some of the names that have been floated by the trump administration particularly in the matters of trade, jamison greer the appointee to be the next u.s. trade representative serving at the white house, i suppose he has some interaction with these choices, what do you think they wrecked -- reflect about the president-elect's entree. guest: jamison greer, colleagues from -- a great manager, really great to work with and work for and of course was with us in the

previous administration. kevin hassett is a great economist. i think you know, both of these choices are consistent with a strong trade and economic team. host: this is kristin mcdaniel, if you want to see her work, mercator's.org, she serves as a senior research fellow at george mason university's center. miss mcdaniel, thank you for your time. guest: thank you so much. host: the things to watch out for is the day progresses not only in the house and senate as they work on varying pieces of legislation but also former president carter, his body is set to come to washington dc for a series of state related funeral events, currently he lives in state of the carter center expected later on today several events set to take place over the next couple of days and you can see them all play out on

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>> washington journal continues. host: we were scheduled to have the writer of the biography on mccarter, but was delayed in doing that. if the desk he comes in in the next 45 minutes or so we will talk to him. but otherwise we will go to open forum. 202-748-8000 for democrats. 202-748-8001 for republicans. doubt -- independents 202-748-8002. this is from atlanta news first. today as of right now he is lying in repose and contains the departure ceremony scheduled at the carter presidential center. a motorcade departing for roberts air reserve base. news that the late president will arrive at the air reserve base. with known special air mission

39 will depart from washington dc and arrive at joint base andrews maryland is remains transferred to the ceremony with the hearse that will depart u.s. navy memorial. a motorcade arriving at the u.s. navy memorial is present cards remains transferred with ceremony. the processional begin marching at the u.s. capitol a pennsylvania avenue. upon arriving at the capitol the late president carried up the stairs by his military body bears and congress scheduled pay their respects stay close to c-span for coverage of those concerning part of president carter's funeral services and special events concerning that. you can talk about that as well. 202-748-8000 democrats. 202-748-8001 republicans. independents 202-748-8002. on this open forum we will hear

from greta in ohio, democrats line go ahead. >> good morning pedro. good morning america. yesterday the topic was what does january 6 mean to you. and there was a problem with my line and i really wanted to speak on this topic. i think that january 6 represented like a rise of white supremacy and fascism. a lot of people want to compare january 6 two george floyd and black lives matter movement. but they are two different and separate things. and i don't know how people can come to such a false equivalency

when after george floyd we had that rittenhouse guy who killed protesters in the streets and then not long ago we had daniel penny kill a homeless hungry black man asking for money on the subway in new york. i just have one question and that is what is it with republicans that make them want to run everything? host: let's hear from max in georgia, independent line. >> hello, good morning and thank you for taking my call. i was just mentioning on this open forum i think that we need to look beyond government, look beyond politicians for our salvation, for our freedom, it doesn't matter who is in the

white house per se -- our salvation comes from the bible and from jesus. we need to put aside some of our differences, put aside some of the things we disagree on and there are major disagreements i understand that. but we really need to get back to treating each other as we treat ourselves and loving our neighbor and looking beyond superficial things like the previous caller had mentioned racism. we need to look beyond skin and look to the heart of the problem and the bible speaks about how god reaches the hartford we need to look at people's heart and their action instead of just the skin color of whoever we are talking about. that's what i would just like to say and thank you for taking my call and have a great day. >> ray in arizona, democrats line. >> good morning pedro.

as a couple of things to say first off i would like to say you are who you support. i've done a couple of songs that i've rewritten. mine eyes have seen the downfall of the democratic state. trump has loosed his cultlike horse to reach his vengeance and his hate. his best to segregate, the people from the truth. host: we get it ray. that is ray in arizona, speaking of president carter, one of the things you can do if you're interested is go to our c-span archives available through our search engine on our c-span website concerning former carter , one of those things in an interview with brian lam in 1999 , part of the interview in which

president carter was asked about how he views the office of the president. [video clip] >> for the moment talk about the american presidency, would you change anything if you could and is it as powerful as it should be? pres. carter: it's extremely powerful in the arena of foreign policy. when i decided to normalize diplomatic relations with china, the constitution gave me unilateral right to do so. if i had wanted to send troops into battle, i could have done so as i've done many times since i left office without consultation with or getting permission from the congress. in foreign policy the president is it. in domestic legislation almost all of the legislation that passed through my four years originated in the white house. i can't member single major bill that originated from congress.

the gowers expected me to originate. the thing that the president has no control over is the economics of the nation. he has an equal role to play with the congress in taxation, but the federal reserve board really determines the rate of inflation. and -- even greater than that though is the free enterprise system of our country. with the conglomerate massive major corporations do in the other factor is the international situation. if a war erupts or you have a so-called asia crisis, the president of the united states has nothing to say about that.

when nixon was in office, i was governor and we had the formation of opec and the oil embargo against anybody who traded with israel. and we had long gas lines and the price of oil went sky high. that was not nixon's fault, he did not have anything to do with it. so the president gets plain for economic changes if they are bad and takes credit for them if they are good. but i would say the president plays maybe 10 or 15% role in the nation's economy. the best policy, a 5050. our economy very little. >> president carter back in 1999 in an interview there, his remains now the carter center is part of a series of ceremonies coming to washington later on today. we told you some of the things you can watch out for on c-span. it's hear from jimmy in athens,

georgia independent line go ahead. caller: i would love to see an interview with the great brian lam at some point this year, i hope you can arrange that. when i was a little boy, i did not know much about politics. i was eight years old but i want to become our president because his name was jimmy and he was from georgia and when i was an eight-year-old my name was jimmy and i was from georgia. that was a long time ago. i have one great memory of when i went to see a bob dylan concert in 1994 in atlanta and the shows late starting, some seats being held and right before that jimmy carter and his wife and congressman john lewis and his wife sitting down the front row and the whole crowd cheered right before bob dylan's performance. that's just a great memory and jimmy carter was a great man, thank you for c-span.

zach up next in oregon, independent line. >> good morning. i'm calling to send kind of a message to any lawmakers that are listening with any dignity left or you know ones that ain't , that still care. i think the media, mainstream media is so important still not just social media, i think there is such a fuel for the heat fire that's burning in this country, so i think there should be like a federally enforced line for any false headlines and like for instance, when the fox headline of when they lead everyone to believe in new orleans the guy

was from across the border. that is just such a sensitive subject right now and that just -- it does absolutely no good to steer people wrong. i think it should be enforced to these media companies in the money should go into like a fund or a separate account first public schools across the country. i don't know how that would happen. that's for the smarter people in washington figure out but i was just my message. >> jack in oregon as part of this. if you want to speed again it's 202-748-8000 for democrats. 202-748-8001 for republicans paid independents 202-748-8002. this coming across newsweek's website and others, mark zuckerberg announcing on facebook but he will roll a number of his censorship

policies, the meta-ceo saying he would get rid of the social media platform fact checkers and replace them with the community notes system similar to the one used by elon musk and x. mark zuckerberg couldn't video about those changes. [video clip] >> we built a lot of complex systems to moderate content but the problem is is they make mistakes. even if they accent police sensor one percent of post, that's millions of people and we reached a point where it is just too many mistakes and too much censorship. the recent elections also feel a cultural tipping point towards once again for your ties and speech. so we'll back to our roots and focus on reducing mistakes, simplifying our policies and restoring free expression on our platform. here's what we will do. first we will get rid of fact checkers and replace them with

community notes similar to x starting in the u.s.. after trump first collected in 2016, the legacy media wrote nonstop about how misinformation was a threat to democracy. we tried in good faith to arrest those concerns without becoming the arbiters of truth. but the fact checkers have just been too politically biased and have destroyed more trust than they created especially in the u.s.. over the next couple of months we will phase in a more comprehensive commuting notes system. host: that was posted by mark zuckerberg as a follow-up on the axios website saying joel kaplan, met his chief global affairs officers set on fox and friends today but met his third-party fact checkers have demonstrated "too much political bias," kaplan, are prominent republican world government -- governing continent become too restrictive over time and ruling about this kind of sensitive topics that people want to discuss and debate, he added that if you can

say it on tv you can say on the floor congress you ought to be say it on facebook and instagram without fear of censorship. so look for that story to play out over the next several days. you can bring it up during this open forum. this is terry in atlanta, democrats line. go ahead. caller: good morning pedro and happy new year to you and everyone. i have a couple of things i want to talk about, the first one is to give condolences to the family of our president carter, a peaceful man and i think what he stood for in terms of bringing his faith and his attitude towards humans to bear during his presidency and after his presidency is something we can all take away from and use.

in terms of january 6, i did not get a chance to get in on the call yesterday and i just wanted to say that january 6 was a horrible day in our history. we cannot sweep that under the rug and we should not compare it to anything else. the lady who called in earlier and said people want to talk about black lives matter and compare that or distance it from january 6. i would like for you c-span to get one or all of the founders of black lives matter on the show if you possibly can and allow them to talk about their platform, why they founded this and what their goals are. i think a lot of people are not because the press is so negatively speculated about what they are and what they do. other than that i just want to

thank everyone. i hope we can come to terms with what we have as a result of the elections and move forward as a country and i hope that our politicians will stop bickering amongst themselves. and these are all the parties. democrats are talking about republicans doing xyz, republicans talk about the democrats doing xyz. talk about what they are doing and tell us what you want to do. your plans are. and how you plan to achieve them. >> thank you. talking about the resignation of the prime minister justin trudeau of canada, president biden weighed in saying he prays canadian prime minister recounting a variety of issues, leaders worked on over the years emphasizing i'm proud to call my friend, "the last time i visited ottawa the united states chooses to link our future with canada because if i know closer partner

and no steadier friend. the same can be said of prime minister justin trudeau. statement released this morning, the outgoing president saying that true joe who announced his resignation was the first world leader with whom mr. biden spoke when he took office in 2021. liberal party showingada's appreciation over the years. on this open forum we will hear from anthony north carolina, democrats line. >> good morning everyone. wheeze americans either come together. work on things we need to get better on, we will pray for president-elect in office but also need to understand we need to be prepared for the chaos and other things that may come along with it. especially, to taxpayers money

because we have a lot of billionaires, the rich don't stay rich by giving to the poor. their business will probably one of the things as taxpayers and surpassing these laws in these programs that's can hurt us in the near future down the road we have to be very careful. thank you. host: anthony in north carolina. calling in on this open forum. we've been talking about the events concerning former president carter and particularly the events that take place in washington today, it was back in 2010 he appeared at the smithsonian in one of the things he talked about during that interview was his particularly his impact accomplishments on the international stage pretty here's part of that conversation. [video clip] >> was there a point where it seemed like you picked up the

next day's newspaper and there was more bad news but maybe you had nothing to do with. pres. carter: a lot of it. [laughter] >> ok. but had to deal with as if it was somehow something you are responsible for. because you are the occupant of the oval office. >> i kept on my desk the sign that was on harry truman's desk, the buck stops here. and i realize no matter what happened in the world if the united states was able to tangentially be involved in it, the responsibility was mine. and that related to successes and failures. in one of the failures i had obviously at length was the hostage crisis. and we had some successes that i was able to emphasize adequately because of the outcome of the election.

but we normalized relations with china. we kept the world at peace. it's a very trying times, we brought peace to other people. during my four year we never dropped a bomb, we never launched a missile. we brought diplomatic relations with china for the first time in 35 years. the resolve of the panama canal treaties we started the path towards doing away with apartheid in africa. we brought peace between israel and egypt and we got along well with the soviet union. so we had successes as well as some problems. >> there's more available if you want to see former interviews with president carter you can go to the website at c-span.org. you can type in the search box there for previous things we've taken in concerning the former president. john in syracuse new york. hello.

>> how ironic the jimmy carter was a truly honorable human being there ever in the white house is being buried and there giving him the best corrupt individual that walked the face of the earth is getting to go there. it's likeadefeated good. a suggestion for c-span, to me, these maga people are not republicans. to me a republican and i voted republican many times like a lot of people i split. to me a republican is white parents. mid romney, john mccain, these are great republicans. these m -- to me they are not republicans.

if you could and you won't, instead to add a category, democrats, republicans, magna and then independence because to me, mag it is not republicans i don't recognize you as republicans. you are just zealots, crazy flying monkeys. >> that's john in new york. the pages of roll call on their website they are already taking a look at the 2020 six midterm elections when it comes to who might be vulnerable in the house and senate and they focus on a couple of different categories. you can find this online. eight district in california were decided by five points or less and 2024 including the central valley adam gray who defeated republican john duarte by jeff george whiteside knocked off and

mike garcia and derek tran who unseated republican michelle steel by 650 votes. lighting off a list of most honorable members sing a handful of districts in new york will likely be contested again. democratic rep presented guillen who defeated esposito will fight for a second term while fellow democratic represent of tom suozzi could also face another close race districts north of new york city were republican mike waller -- and democrat josh riley ousted -- also in charge of category described as blue dogs and rural democrats saying representative jared golden of maine and marie perez of washington state proved they could succeed in a public and leaning territories although both can expect to once again be gop targets. golden winning a fourth term in november by less than a point as a president-elect carried his

seat but 10 points. even at the end of this cycle when it comes to elections already looking at midterms on the pages of roll call. open form, 202-748-8000 for democrats. 202-748-8001 for republicans paid independents, 202-748-8002. dan on our public in line in florida. you are going to have to either get closer to a window or come close because you are coming in and out. caller: can you hear me better now? host: yes, go ahead. i'm calling in on the maggot scum line. i'm just wondering why were the immigrants allowed to come in if it's not for them to vote? what was the main reason if someone could tell me what the main reason why they let in all the immigrants?

you can tell me it's just because -- there has to be something else. if it's not voting right, than what was the reason. if someone can tell me that i would appreciate it. host: sharon in north carolina, democrats line. caller: good morning. i have two questions. i would like to see you have more black representation for guest speakers who come on. i've been watching you guys for a while on and on and you really don't have any -- but black african-americans. the lady called and earlier to talk about black lives matter and insurrectionist, you need to have someone on to represent black lives matter, the difference between the two. clearly we can see that there

was a riot ok with the insurrectionist and anybody who does harm to anybody whether it's black lives matter, rioting , the insurrectionist need to be in jail, it's a simple as that. i don't understand how people can condone one thing and not condone the other. it is ridiculous to me. that's pretty much all i have to say. >> the presidents traveling to california today to name those new tasha monument sprayed it was yesterday he traveled to louisiana to talk about the events in new orleans and also appear at a ceremony and make comments there. here's a portion of that from yesterday. [video clip] >> i know events like this are hard and the shock and pain is still so very raw. my wife jill and i are here to stand with you. to grieve with you. to pray with you. to let you know you are not

alone. the rest of the nation is looking at you as well. it is not the same. we know what it is like to lose a piece of our self. the anger, the emptiness, the black hole that seems to be sucking into your chest, the sense of loss, of the questions of faith in your soul. i know it's been five days staring at that mg chair in the kitchen around the kitchen table. not hearing the voice. you think of the birthdays, anniversaries, the holidays to come. without them. you think of everything, every day things. the small things, details you will miss the most. the morning coffee you shared together, the bend of his smile,

the perfect pitch of her laugh. the rest of america has learned about them as well. students who dreamed of becoming engineers and nurses. star athletes who worked on wall street or helped coach small children. warehouse managers, bluegrass fans. a cook engaged to be married. single mom just promoted at work teaching her young son to read. it came from different states, even different country. there were children having dinner with their parents. joining their friends on new year's eve. some even ran towards the chaos to try and help save others. we remember them. today, we stand with 35 people who were injured in the attack

and we think of the brave responders and law enforcement officers, officials who risk their lives to stop the terror and save others. including two of those officers that i met tonight injured in the firefight. now thankfully both are recovering at their home. i am directing my team to make every resource available to the federal, state and local law enforcement. to complete this investigation quickly and do whatever else we can the french quarter was also home to so many people. we will support everyone who lives there, all the people of new orleans as they heal. host: this open forum this is doug from maryland, republican line go ahead. caller: i was noticing when i

was watching the voting confirmation the other day three out of four names there were people in that building that the wanted a president that wasn't in that building out of all of those representatives we picked donald trump instead. you think they would notice something. host: ok. like what? caller: not the americans. host: jean is up from michigan, democrats line. caller: hello. host: you are on, go ahead. >> the gal who was on earlier was talking no job was ever secure for life. where i live adhere, the first washer they made was in a garage across the street from where they used to have a facility that produced your washing

machines and dryers. 2000 people in the community of 15,000 worked in that plant. they not only took their stuff overseas, they took over a lot of stuff here in town. they built the jack nicholas golf course. with the whole community of new homes may be some 75 homes or so. none of them lower in class -- all to wealthy individuals. i fish for 50 years down there. it was all swamped, trees and beautiful, there was a lot of wildlife, it is all gone with this golf course. and they send these washing machines and dryers back here like we have adjacent jobs bill.

they are acting like union wages still making these things pray they are not there being made by these people in china. host: giving his thoughts on this open forum. we showed you the people who might be vulnerable when it comes to 2026 midterms. roll call also turning attention to who might be vulnerable when it comes to the senate. you can find on their website saying susan collins who said she intends to seek a sixth term is the only republican run in the state one by kamala harris but has long proved difficult target for democrats pre-thom tillis is also another target of the present electron one his state by three points, republicans are likely to try to grow the majority in states like michigan and georgia both carried by president-elect trump and were democrats are up for reelection. "what we will do is defend the

seats we have and expand the map or we can increase the majority left by the trump victory. . a comment made last fall -- by the trump victory." that comment made by tim scott of south carolina. senators might be vulnerable when it comes to those elections . roll call.com is where you can find that. let's hear from janet in vermont. >> good to be with you today. i am very concerned about trump's administration wanting to get rid of atf, fbi. atf was the first ones on the scene in new orleans and they are going to be gotten rid of. and trump will just -- he will be vulnerable also if he tries to get rid of atf and fbi. making himself a target most

easily. if you don't have the fbi to assassinate attempt. you have to think long and hard about these people he wants to get rid of. and i hope and pray we have a strong america because this is the only country in the world that has freedom. so let's hold on to freedom for 2025 and beyond. host: we will hear from ronald in haines city, florida, republican line. >> you are on, go ahead. just wanted to think about the democrats of the bible belt down in the south and what they think of biden using gd in his little speech. breaking the 10 commandments. of course he is so crooked and corrupt. but what i would really like for biden to do is go home and go to

bed with some ice cream and park that plane because all of these little trips are costing the people a lot of money. he is not doing anything but causing more destruction. the sooner this is over, the better. we are done with it, thank you. host: that's ronald in florida. you heard about their republicans efforts to pass a reconciliation bill in order to get a lot of the president-elect's legislative priorities through in one bill, at least that's what he saying in recent days. this was a story that comes from politico saying if house republicans publicly grapple over how to advance the president-elect's agenda, house democrats a looking across the aisle with schadenfreude. democrats were debating how to enact resonant biden's ambitious legislation agenda as they faced similar problems. a tiny legislative majority in the gauntlet of the senate parliamentarian. built many split into two separate bills, the pandemic aid

legislation and a spending package. legislative wrangling consumed with the first two years of the biden presidency. republicans are debating whether to try to add one budget conciliation bill and some will be able -- to see if they get anything done. i'm counting on that to be as effective as they were the last congress some of the stuff we are talking about is beyond the pale. represented richard neal on ways and means saying it seems to me they're having a great deal of difficulty in terms of sequencing and what they want to emphasize. adding democrats which they held the gavel they don't envy the monumental task of legislation through the budget reconciliation process to circumvent a senate filibuster. politico there if you want to read more about what's expected, the legislative effort on the president-elect's main goals. rick in colorado, republican line. >> i'd just like to comment on

the debt and how we got from 32 trillion to now reported to 36 trillion in just a year. when these so-called infrastructure act and these things are supposed to be paid for. i think this just happens over and over again on these bills where there i don't know, fancy math done saying that it will be paid for and the reality is as -- it adds more and more to the debt. so something needs to be done about the way these things are reported in these bills and how they are handled. rick in colorado there. we've been showing you and telling you about former

president the series of events when the body comes washington, d.c. the special events planned for that again, stay close to c-span watch those play out, the smithsonian back in 2010 and an interview there, talking about amongst other things is reelection defeat in 1980. here is some of his remembrances from that time. [video clip] >> is 1979 became 1980, it ate into the political year you were planning to run for reelection. fighting off primary opponents from your own party. two for a while. did you, was there a point where you realized they are still there and now this is really starting to be a problem for this enterprise. i want to stay present. i think i'm doing a good job.

>> i would say even eight days before the election it was very close. but you mention november 4. in november the fourth 1980 was the anniversary of the hostages taken as well as election day. so all the news media were completely fascinated with the anniversary of the hostages and paid very little attention to what i was saying, that was a burning issue in the american people's mind is these hostages were still there and president carter has been unable to get them free. that was the major issue. the second major issue was one you mentioned before and for the last two years of my term, senator kennedy was running against me. and very effectively whenever senator kennedy -- whenever senator kennedy made any comments, news media covered them word for word and so he was a very formable opponent.

and he never really was reconciled to me told them a card party was split. and then the other thing was iraq invaded iran and so all their oil supplies from iran and iraq were largely in world oil supplies. so the price of oil more than doubled in just 12 months there was enormous inflation and interest rates went up. so those three things combined to cause my defeat. but i had a good life since then. [laughter] [no audio] [applause] >> more available on the c-span website, the president's body lying in repose at the carter center there in georgia with weather that made some delays to his travel to washington dc that's being picked up by the lante journal-constitution think

the biggest event of the day to watch out for. the 430 afternoon service at the u.s. capitol rotunda were vice president harris and senate leader john thune are scheduled to deliver brief eulogies and play reads near his casket. the former president will lie in state from 7:00 p.m. to midnight allowing nevers the public to pay their respects, a public viewing will resume wednesday at 7:00 a.m. and thursday at 7:00 a.m.. according to the new schedule the ceremony will be held at the carter central center as remains will be transported at the air force base from there the motorcade will head towards the memorial that's where carter's casket will be transferred from the hearse to a horse-drawn. there's more to watch out for as this plays out later on as well throughout the day on c-span. let's go to dave in florida. publican line. >> thank you for taking my call.

the reason i called was about abortion for the last couple of weeks, nothing has been mentioned about abortion. i know that it's been moved to the states, but nothing has been mentioned. in the last two weeks about abortion. you know that in 2023, there were over one million babies aborted. there were close to 2000 people requesting babies. what is the problem here? can you imagine in 2024 the average daily abortion was 1500 to 1700 babies a day. i mean what's going on here. this is murder. and we just let it go. what is wrong with this. >> in florida there when it comes to events concerning the president-elect's legal issues,

this is from the hill this morning saying president-elect trump and his two codefendants classified john mccain's work -- his two codefendants motioned to block jack smith's report. asking judge cannon to block smith's plan to release his report. in a company letter from trump's lawyer to america harland after garland left the decision on the presence in -- to fire smith and leave the decision to trump's upcoming attorney general. another edition of washington journal comes your way at 7:00 tomorrow morning. we will see you then. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2025]

♪ >> president jimmy carter, the 39th president of the united states and the nations longest lived leader passed away at the age of 100. join c-span for live coverage of the state funeral, today his journey continues to washington dc where he will lie in state of the u.s. capitol rotunda with the service attended by members of congress. the public will have the chance to honor him as he lies in state at the u.s. capitol. the national funeral service will take place at washington national cathedral followed by his final resting ceremony of the carter family home in plains, georgia. watch c-span's live coverage of the funeral services on the c-span network. c-span now, our free mobile video app or online at c-span.org.

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next president and j.d. vance as the next vice president. we'll koch the joint session of congress to count the 2024 electoral college votes, next. ce united states, the senate and ce house of representatives are meeting in joint session to verify the certificates and count the votes of the electricker toes -- electors of the several states for president and vice president of the united states. after ascertainment has been had that the certificates are authentic and correct in form, the tellers will count and make a list of the votes cast by the electors of the several states. the tellers on the part of the two houses will take their places at the clerk's desk.

without objection, the tellers will dispense with reading formal portions of the certificates after ascertaining that the certificates are regular in form and authentic, the tellers will announce the votes cast by the electors for each state beginning with