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thousand community centers to create wifi-enabled lifts so students from low-income families can get the tools they need to be ready for anything. comcast suppor c-span as a public service, along with these other television providers, giving you a front row seat to democracy. >> welcome back. we're joined now by armstrong williams. he's a columnist, tv talk show host and entrepreneur. welcome to the program. >> good morning. >> you have been largely supportive of president trump's actions this first month in office. tell me why and why you think trump, two beuo. no is, a different? >> as a broadcast and media owner, it's not about being supportive of the president or not. i think it is the media's responsibility to be more of a referee and just tell the facts about what any administration is

doing, whether it's biden-home run is or trump-vance. when you look at the illegal border crossings and when you think about the on this other border you have less than 269 people crossing a day versus 11,000 when biden and harris were in the white house, you cannot ignore that's progress for the american people. that's one of the things the president promised that he would deal with when he was running for prose president and that has happened. even when you talk about doge, he and elon musk campaigned together and they made it clear they were going to reduce the waste and fraud in government. they want to make sure that the taxpayers' money works better for them. obviously, there's a lot of chaos in the process. obviously there are people that have being terminated that probably should not be terminated. obviously there's some harm that is being done but in chaos, particularly at the rapid fuselage speed that president trump is moving, obviously

you're going to have to have some corrective course and is this is why it's necessary that congress, unlike the last congress, who acceded so much of their responsibilities to the white house to do their job, this is why we have a check and balance system in place. we have the courts and the congress to make sure that you balance out what the president does, because the president cannot shut down a federal agency that is funded by congress. that is congress's role. and i think congress is getting over the shock -- >> usaid has been shut down and those programs have been stopped, even the sign has been taken down. >> this is true. the usaid is unique in its own way. and we understand that. but, listen, there's a lot of waste, fraught and abuse in usaid as well as other government agencies. the conversation that we should have instead of being -- we should criticize our president constructively. that's what a democracy is. listen, if you just look at the

whistle-blowers, when they talk about the waste, when you talk about checks that are being written because they've been written this way for sewing so long, you can't even question whether they're going to terrorist organizations, whether they're going to people who are living, people that are in need. that $55 billion may not seem like a lot when you think about the budget of the united states government, but it is a start. i mean, i'll take my own example. you look at someone in the media, when you cover these community action agencies around the country, you have people that go to these agencies to get their light bill paids. they make sure they are able to have their water turned on. they cannot pay their rent on time. so sometimes what these agencies will do is pay this for them three and four months in advance and these same people come back the same time because they don't use the money that they have to pay for their expenses. a lot of these things go on and on and on and what is needed is better management. why he, we know these agencies do a lot of good. there are a lot of people in need. sometimes the people in need, because these systems so mismanaged that the people that

really need it don't get it so the fact that the president and elon musk is pursuing this government efficiency accountability and responsibility is a good thing. look, as a ceo of a business, i understand, we can talk about work fromming from home and the benefits that has, but there's nothing like being in person working with your colleagues, sitting, coming up with an idea, having these exchanges, running back to the office, have a better idea. when you're taking face-to-face, there's nothing like the human interaction. the government, particularly here in washington d.c., when the federal government is shut down, it affects tourism, it affects the economy, everything. yes, there may be some people that may need to work from home, but so many people need to be back at work. people being at work is an economy in and of itself. >> as you said, you are a businessman, and you have cautioned elon musk not to

approach the federal government as he would in downsizing one of his businesses. what do you see as the fundamental difference there of how elon musk should approach this, you know -- the good objective of reducing fraud in the federal government? >> well, you know, this is a piece that was in the baltimore sun on sunday, and, you know, while you may have these novel intentions, you cannot run a private business the way you run the federal government. you can go in and you can cut and slash, you can do that, but in government, you've got to respect the processes. elon musk, as well intended as he may be, he has to work with congress. he has to work with people within these agencies that you have to trust to a certain extent that are willing -- there are people willing to tell you where the waste and fraud is. you just cannot go and just shut down agencies and not realize the harm that you can do and nwt long run because that's becomes the narrative. you cannot become a dictator when it comings to the government because you will

lose. as well intended as he will be, he will fail in the process. and because of what he's doing is so important, he should respect the different processes that are in place that can better help him accomplish the goals that he's trying to achieve. >> if you like to join our conversation with armstrong williams, you can do so. start calling in now. 202-748-8002 for independents. you just bought the baltimore sun. this is on the front paining of the paper. it says "christian leaders grapple with new trump policies targeting of, anti-christian bias, eradication of dei programs evoke reactions from clergy. >> pastor al hatheway is quoted through the article and talks about the old school bible and

biblical understanding. listen, when donald trump skated within a tenth of an assassin's bullet where it grazed his ear and you could see the blood, even he said it was an act of god. many christians will see that as god had a greater purpose for donald trump, and so, therefore, donald trump, is a president about destiny and it was destined for donald trump to win. also you look at donald trump's character and people say that what donald trump does in his moral life, in his personal life, is not necessarily what christians adhere to. when you look at him. but then they also point to david, who is an adulteress and how he betrayed his wife but god was able to use him for a greater good. >> he also repented. >> he repenaltieded. i'm not saying the president has not repented. i don't know what he does in his private life. we do know, when you think about donald trump's extraordinary journey, what he's gone through, the indictments, the lawsuits,

people have given up on him, the fact that he could come back surviving an assassin's bullet and become president again, for christians, that has a very spiritual strong foundation and they that i there's a greater good in crumb. that's why they believe there may be the possibility that donald trump could usher in a golden age. you have to be cautious. the bottom line is donald trump is human and sometimes you don't want to become a sycophant and you turn a blind eye and you don't want to be an en i believe -- enabler. he's not sending out the crazy tweets and not attacking people the way he attacked them. you do see a more mature, more laidback and more measured president, and i say that is progress, but still, i do think that donald trump and his experiences as a businessman has got to have some compassion

about his policies and what -- because the bible tells you, don't allow your good to be evil spoken of. so donald trump has to be very measured. i like the fact that he's getting along very well with elon musk. that's a little surprising is. i like the fact that he's working very well with his trifecta in congress. they all seem to be on the same page. the people that seem to be upset seems to be the democratic legislators, the members of congress and some of the articles that you see in the media. for the most part, americans fit 55 to 6 0% are willing to give donald trump a chance to see if his policies work in the long run for the american people. how long are they willing too suffer the inconvenience and live in fear? that remains to be seen. what has given donald trump the win he needs right now is that the american people believe these are the promises made, the promises kept. let's give him a chance. i just don't know how long this honeymoon will last. >> let me ask you about dei, diversit equity and inclusion. are you supportive of donald

trump's efforts to take that owl of the federal government completely? >> i think that's what he promised to do. i do think -- >> that is happening. >> that is happening. >> they are all closing. >> look, it's one thing to talk about if equality. i think we all believe in equality, mimi. equity is a different thing. i don't want anyone to give me an advantage because of what they perceive my race is. i want to go back to the dream of dr. martin luther king that a man is judged not by the chore of the skin but by the content of the character. let me caution that racingism, bigotry, is not dead. people still harbor that in their hearts, and people are not going to always do what is in the best interests of people because sometimes they cannot let go of the baggage of the ancestry. still the government needs to be -- i don't like filling out a form when someone asks me what my race is. i don't want somebody to perceive just because some kid got in the college and a

scholarship they got there because of their race, somebody gave them a disadvantage. i think it cheapens those who fight hard, work hard, parents make sacrifices, those that study to be the best and brightest, not only in the classroom, but wherever they are. i do think we live in a country today where we should be judged not by the color of our skin, not by our sexual preference, but by the content of our character and our work ethic and our sacrifice and our discipline. >> and you are -- you think that that's going to happen during the next four years? >> it's a process. nothing happens overnight. justice, equality. >> you're optimistic that it's moving in the right direction? >> i'm cautiously optimistic. i don't have an issue with what the president's doing because i find it shocking that so many campaigns have made all these promises are actually keeping them. the problem is, the democrats and others did not take him seriously and for the speed that he's working in his late 70s,

his focus, his organization, the way his team has been in place, putting this together, these executive orders, it's well planned out. it did not happen overnight. donald trump is prepared. whether the congress is prepared or not, that's a different question. >> i want to show you a clip of hakeem jeffries, the house democratic leader, talking about dei programs and you can respond. >> diversity, equity and inclusion are american values. it's about economic opportunity for everyone. we support merit for everyone. based on what you know, not who you know. the problem that seems to be unfolding is that there are some in this country who want an america of the billionaires, by the billionaires, and for the billionaires. not for working class americans.

middle class americans are everyday americans. a country of the billionaires, by the billionaires and for the billionaires. diversity, equitied and inclusion are about economic opportunities for everyone. even if you're not wealthy, well off or well connected. these are values that everybody in this country should embrace. >> what do you think of armstrong williams? >> you know, listen, i was with him until he got to the billionaires. i mean, when you talk about these dei programs, someone was watching us today. you ask how average lower income benefits from these programs. how much has government really change their lives for the biden and harrises in the white house, whether it's trump or pence in the white house. how much does it really impact progress? unfortunately, the people that

were poor when biden and harris were in the white house, they're poor now. what he's talking about are contracts that go to their friends, that go to their colleagues. you know, you you're talking about a congress that stocks the rules that we have to abide by, that you cannot have a conflict of interest. they're able to delve in stocks and with companies that come before the legislative body. until recent, the civil rights laws he alludes to apply to congress. i mean, i don't want to call him a hypocrite, but what is this? this is political grand standing. they're the minority now. they lost. until they learned the lessons of that election, to try to support donald trump where he is, to try to improve dei and these programs that he spokes, where they work across the board, where don't favour some illogical thing like race, da, where it works for people and they qualify and they're the at what they do, they've got to

realize this messaging they had during the last election was profoundly defeated. they need to find a new message that resonates with the american people because until they do so, they will continue to lose and lose it again. the democratic party has been decimated because they have lost touch. they used to be the party of the working class of america. and the middle class of america. but that demographic voted for donald trump. blacks, hispanics, even people in michigan who considered themselves to be muslim and people said, how in the world could you support donald trump and his policies, it seems to go against your best interests, but they're voting for family values. it's not just about whether it's about the economy. it's about what is gender affirming. you're talking about drag queens teaching children in the classrooms, parents cannot have a say so -- if you're talking about if they're going through some sort of sexual evolution. listen, the bottom line, americans still care about

traditional values and until hakeem jeffries get it, they will continue to remain in the minority. >> ready to talk to callers? homer is a republican in florence, massachusetts. caller: amen and hallelujah to everything that you said. you are highly intelligent. i'm wondering why it was okay for joe biden to fire american federal workers for not getting vaccines and people in the military but now it's not okay for trump to fire people. bill clinton fired 400,000 federal employees. he's not even close to that. i don't know why everybody's clang complaining. there's 383 million people active with social security numbers. there's only 340 million people in the country. 383 is a lot more. that's ridiculous. we got to look into these things. i love all the election deniers that call in for the democrats now and it's all okay because it was racism and misogyny and sexism. i mean, can you guys please tell

me why that's okay that you let those people go on and on saying racism and sexism. >> he has a larger point. you know, this criticism of trump using executive orders, this creditism is of trump's cabinet that he put forth and all of are going to be confirmed. i mean, this criticism about trump embracing billionaires, the like, elon musk, and no one talks about biden-harris embracing george soros and bill gates and jeff bay bezos. >> he's got a troops trifecta. why not go to congress? why depend on an executive order that can be reversed by the next president? >> we agree. but we know president trump. president trump feels that congress does not move fast enough for him.

it would be better for him to wait two or three months. his attitude is that the american people cannot afford the wait for two or three months. why put something in place that three or four years or two years later if there's a new contract to rescind. i agree with you. donald trump is not like any president that we've seen in recent memory. we have never seen such a frenetic way of so many executive orders because he wants to change it and he also knows he has more experience that a lot of these things that are pushing will probably go through and become effective and once that happens, people really begin to believe that it's having an impact on empowering their lives and moving them forward, particularly when it comes to their economy, they will remain in place. because, remember, it doesn't matter whether it's the president, members of congress. their boss is the american -- are the american people. and the american people, what has happened, mimi, we have awaken a sleeping giant and we, the people, and they're not going back to sleep. they're more educated. they're more in tune than they have ever been before. >> here's james a democrat in

chicago. caller: how are you doing, mimi? people can make their mouth say anything. all this fraud and waste, is anybody going to jail? have anybody -- one person been accused or anyone been accused of this? since he brought up the law, the man on the stage with him, did god kill him? did he have a purpose for that man? thank you, mimi. >> you know, when itdoms to what donald trump is doing, it takes time before you find out what the fraud is and who the culprits are. it doesn't mean that someone won't be held accountable down the road. and, listen, i don't try to understand the ways of god. my heart goes out to that person that died on that stage. you ask yourself, why is it that toronto plane, that crashed in the snow, everyone survived. why is that that those over the

potomac, everybody died? god has ways that many of us cannot understand. when it comes to the ways of the lord, i don't get in to try and explain that. you know why? some things you cannot explain. >> i want to ask you about a posting on "x" that elon musk wrote in response to the goings "06 minutes" interviews. 60 minutes are the biggest liars in the world. he this engaged in tlibt deception to interfere with the last election. they deserve a long sentence." now that you're involved in the baltimore sun. if one of your journalists did an interview that elon musk deserves with. how would you respond? >> i would vehemently push back. you cannot judge cbs or a media institution is by the "60

minutes" interview with kamala harris. obviously many people that the legacy, media, was in the tank with biden/harris and obviously they feel as though their policies are more reflective of what the agenda they want for america, but i would defend the 45th state at every turn. cbs, nbc, sinclair broadcast group, i would defend them. many of these recorders are very decent. they have a lot of integrity and they do their jobs very well and put a lot on the line to do those jobs. >> what changes should we expect at the baltimore sun now that you own it? >> you know, we're fortunate because davis smith, who's my business partner, we're working with a terrific group people. i've always perceived the walt sun being a liberal paper and us being conservatives. when the realm of your current is integrity, finding the voices that represent all voice inside your community and when you want to deal with commentary that reflection where people are and

give a lot of attention to localism, local issues that people care about that affects their way might have -- way of life immediately. we put a good collaboration. i never worked with a greater group of people than the baltimore sun. our formula works. >> here's juan in fairfax, virginia, independent line. caller: how are you doing? morning. thank you for taking my call. welcome to the show here. first-time caller. i appreciate your time. i wanted to to a quick glance and maybe highlight an article from the department of education regarding the department of education in "the new york times" where it looks like they're warning schools apparently in higher education that take considerations -- you know, scholarships or hiring regarding not dei newsly but culturally based aspects and one

day sororities. president trump, to this poin, even his first administration, have been okay with general not a sleeping giant look myself, i don't think i represent that population, but, you know, when it gets to the part where now you want to shut down higher education, each one, teach one, sort of philosophy, that will impact a part of society that i think maybe i would like to hear your guest sort of illuminate on where the department of education might be going a little too far, maybe? these are institutions that help out in higher education. thank you. >> i want to show you what i think he's talking about. this is "the new york times" with the headline "education department gives schools two weeks to eliminate race-based programs. the department's office for civil rights warned that it would penalize schools that consider race in scholarships,

hiring and an array of other activities." >> i think the president's correct. i think that he's favoring one certain americans over other americans. you have a new leader in town, that is donald trump, and he made clear that during this campaign, this is exactly had a he would do and i think it would be wise for the department of education-to-aed here to this administration's guidelines. >> let's talk to mark next in florida, republican. hi mark. caller: good morning. thank you very much for taking my call. and i agree a lot with what your guest has to say, mr. williams, and i am all in favour of what is going on with elon musk, president and doge. the biggest thing i would contradict your guest on is that there's the way that private industry works in the way that they go through their processes and there's a way that the

government works and i question the government's processes and when i say that, do you think that there are isocertified? these are certifications that the federal government requires private business to be in order to conduct business with them, but i don't think they have the same standards. i can speak to this because i was in the industry for almost 39 years. i worked for the largest defense contractor in the world, and there are some good government employees. don't get me wrong. but there's a lots of oxygen beasts, cruisers. they will found on their chest and tell you it takes an act of congress to fire them. nobody in their job in the private sector thinks like that, that works that way, i mean, no matter how important you think you are as the general worker, if you would, god forbid, die that day, the stock's not going down one penny because you died.

that's a facted. the kwoeft needs to work at a more efficient rate and that might mean slashing in complete areas because it's redundancy. in the private sector, they make us look at ourselves as to how can we be more efficient. every single year, how can we squeeze out more efficiency and get better at what we do? and unless you're trying to practise continuous improvements, then it you're just doing the same thing over and over again looking for a different result, and the government acts like grandma's ham. they keep doing it the same way. why? because that's how they've always done it. >> all right, mark. >> he makes an excellent point. this is why you have to create chaos in government because they have created this preponderance and they've created redundance.

what many of these government workers should be doing is working with the president and working with their the white house and say this is where we can do better. this is where we're ineffective. these are the programs that are working. they know this. listen, the bottom line is that nothing remains the same. change is necessary. and our government, mimi, is not as effective, not as accountable, not as responsible and not as efficient as it could be and it should. this is a start. no one knows how it's going to play out. but donald trump has the right attitude. plus, let's not forget, we still face this trillion dollar deficit that america took over if we don't get our financial order -- our fonl house in order. >> here's joanne in tulsa, oklahoma. hi joanne. caller: i want to tell this guy and donald trump, there's only one god and his name is definitely not trump. paul williams.

thank you for your time, have a nice day. >> absolutely! agree with her that trump it is not god, never will be. he's just a man, flawed like everybody else. he just happens to be the president of the united states. >> here's marie, an independent, in maryland. good morning. caller: good morning. can you hear me? >> yes, we can. caller: this is what i don't understand. i don't like anyone having my social security number because the nra was taking money out of my checking account. when you're older we don't look at the small things. if the nra was removing money from my checking without my permission, i can imagine what someone else who had was going to have my social security number, everybody's, it's what they're going to do. my main thing that i don't understand is what happens to

the values of the adults here in this country? look, period. that the president of the united states is a registered sex offender and all of you act like this is something to applaud. you should be ashamed of yourself. thinking that that part of -- forget his felony. he is a registered sex offender. sir, how do you feel about that and when it comes to your family? >> i don't think the president is a registered sex offender. we do know that the president is flawed. we know the president has had moral challenges like all of us, but the american people understand this better than anyone else. i think it was because he was so flawed and he thought that the government targeted him then it built a lot of empathy for him until they became his protecter during the last presidential election. i think they know exactly what donald trump is, and i think that's why he was elected. because they realized they would rather have an imperfect man to

do their bidding than someone who professes something very different. >> here is jesse in babylon, new york. republican. caller: good morning. mr. williams, you're a very interesting man to listen to. i just want to ask you, do you support mr. trump 100%? >> as a broadcaster, i support journalism. i am a referee. i'm not a coach. it is our responsibility to prevent both sides without manipulating the facts, favoring the facts and you, as the reader, to watch the broadcast, come to your own conclusion. i'm not here to do bidding for donald trump or. my job is citizenship, bringing the facts for you to make your own terms. >> i want to ask you about new york city's mayor. the trump administration has

asked all the charges of corruption against him be dropped. what was your reaction to that? >> well, listen, obviously a lot of top prosecutors and lawyers resigned over this, and, unl, there are two schools. donald trump believed, because of his own journey and prosecutions by the courts, he feels it was a witch hunt that this happened to mayor adams because he bumped by immigration on the immigration policies. >> do you believe that? >> that partly, yes. >> even though the prosecutors said they had been investigating his -- the allegations of corruption before he said anything about immigration? >> yes, i believe that also. i don't believe that governor hochul should have the power because she's trying to make a decision of whether to remove mayor adams from office, i don't think the governor should undo the will of the people. you have an election that is coming up. donald trump wants to have someone that he wants to work with in new york because that's

a very important sanctuary city and immigration is very important there. it could have been done a little different. some of these top prosecutors that stepped down were republicans. they weren't just democrats. some of these people had just been recently appointed by the president him he have self -- himself. mayor adams is very defiant. he feels he's done nothing wrong. in the end, he asked the justice department to drop the case. there's been a fallout. we have to see where it goes. >> here's lisa in new bedford, massachusetts, democrat. you're next. caller: yeah. i've been very upset with what's going on with what trump's doing. i find that he has put elon musk in place to do what he's doing so -- because trump likes to get

other people to do his dirty work, so he can do -- have elon musk dot dirty work so he can say, i have nothing to do with that. and with what's going on with russia and ukraine, it's pretty disgusting because russia started it. it was not -- russia started it. putin -- putin is not scared of trump. trump is scared of putin. and if trump gives putin everything he wants, no. this is wrong. and you know what? you're right. god let trump live that day because he does pour it on, pile it up, he'll get him in the end.

>> all right, lisa. >> let me respond too. i think she said some things that really need to be addressed. listen, the only people pay the price for war are innocent families who lose their sons in this war. have j.d. vance gave a speech in europe that was defiant. the germans did not like it. macron in france called an emergency meeting. but listen, the migrant policies are really out of control. i don't know the last time you've been in london. you can be -- they can use knives. they can attack you. they can beat you, assault you, and you have no rights. if you punch back, hit them, you're going to jail. the fact that europe has not carried its weight, if they don't like -- if a particular leader's about to be elected, they suspend the elections. i think j.d. vance gave europe a reality check. the bottom line is donald trump maintained a relationship with putin. say whatever you want to say

about that. it's because of that relationship that you stay in contact with what we perceive to be as our enemy. you're able to bring ukraine and russia to saudi arabia -- >> ukraine's not there. >> you know what, marco rubio grow, the secretary of the state, said they will be at the table. i'm going take his word for it. still, it is best to sit down, cut out the bureaucracy and russia and ukraine and europably a close to this so people stop dying and the infrastructure is destroyed. i heard the foreign minister of the e.u. say as early as this morning, let's try to work with the united states instead of fighting against her to bring some kind of resolution to this situation where innocent people continue to die. who will be upset? if it were your son or someone else dying in this war, someone steps in like donald trump and says, let's bring a close to this, i know that land is in the issue. marco rubio says it's not going to happen overnight. this is where we should be instead of innocence continuing to die. >> let's talk to mark in clear water, florida.

independent line. good morning. caller: good morning. i have a question for the gentleman here. i was watching one of your all show's a few weeks back about the insurance thing. you had two people, one on the phone and one at the table and she was going to make a statement on how the subsidies that government gives to corporations and then i looked it up and the government gives to corporations $500' worth of insurance coverage for the company, their coverage, $1200 for two people and "x" number for three, four a family. my question, the gentleman is, does he take subsidies for insurance conference and then why is the company -- is the government going to look into those fraud and abuse that why the american people are paying companies subsidies for their employees' insurance. thank you? >> you know, what he's not talking about enough is not just people who did not support people on the low rung of the ladder, people in the federal government that's been inimpacted by donald trump's

policy. there are a lot of businesses, farmers, who hire these workers. they're not showing up for works because they feel that ice is going to come along and pick them up. you've got these venezuelan migrants who we're saying we're no longer going to extend their work visas which impacts a lot. i don't do the work with the government. i did work with no will child be left behind. i'm in the private industry. in the private industry, we cannot allow our operation to run like the government does. you cannot allow the house hold to run a certain way. we provide healthcare coverage for our employees, not because we have to, because we choose to, because it's the right thing to do. there's only so much government can do. for private corporations do well, whether they're getting on the dole of the government, you should take care of your employees first. the government can only do so much with people that are struggling.

corporations in these communities do a lot to lift up lives that are struggling, particularly in the economy we're in right now. yes, i think everything is open in terms of government and in terms of why elon musk is trying to do because they're looking for the transparency. >> i want to ask you about criticism of president trump that says one of the biggest concerns of the american people during the campaign was the economy and inflation. and that president trump hasn't done enough or hasn't focused enough on bringing prices down at the grocery store. >> that's a slow process. he's come back to admit that it may have been a little overexaggerated during the campaign. i do think when you cut out waste and abuse, when you cut out the number of migrants that are crossing the borders, i mean, i think many people felt that weight on their way of life as it related to housing and other things. i think those things would add relief. what you just mentioned, that's a slow process that must take place. it's not going to happen overnight. people have to be patient.

>> here's garry in guyton, georgia. republican. caller: good morning, mr. williams. you know, when i was young, we always took the vacation up to smoky mountains and we would all pile in a station wagon and go. and back then, they would allow you to feed the bears right on the side of the road and it got to be a big thing and it went on for years and years. well, when they stopped that, all the bears just stood out on the side of the road and starved to death because they didn't know how to feed their selves. you know, if you got a man that's going to take you how to fish and you've got a man that's going to give you a fish and you come back tomorrow for the fish, which man do you want to be with? >> i want to say to him, and i think his point is well taken, the best, mimi, department of health, education and welfare i

had growing up was my mother and my father. much of what has happened today, why there's so much pain in society, men and this juvenile justice and crime, because these young boys have no idea what it's to be a man and we must strengthen the family again. not only did we need men in the households but we need them in the school system. where you have men in the school system, teaching these kids, especially, these young boys, they react differently. you have less behavior problems. you have less crime. you have less homicide. you have less rape. so we've got to get back to understanding the family, work ethic, discipline, sacrifice works that and that's something that can be taught in a family. there's only so much government can do and only so much the government can help unless you've already built yourself a stable foundation and every now and then you may struggle. something may blind side you. at least because you have a stable foundation, the government is better prepared to help you, but if you just solely

depending on the government and not bringing any other resources to the table except the government help, that's not going to, would for you in the long run. >> you said there should be more men in the classroom. how do you encourage more men to become teachers? especially if there's no department of education? >> i'm not going to say there's not going to be a department of education. i do believe that states do a better job than the federal government. >> how can states encourage more men to become teachers? >> you know, you encourage them to mentor. you must make them realize the value of being in the classroom, because this is a child that could take your child's life some day. this is a child that could marry your daughter some day. men -- i think men want to be in the classroom but you've got to give them a better pay -- teachers should be paid the way of ceos. they have more of an impact on the lives of kids than the ceos who makes millions of dollars. i think we need to show more respect for teaching and what people sacrifice in the classroom because it's become a war zone. these schools is what it is.

>> one more call. carolyn in baltimore, democrat. good morning. caller: hi. good morning. i'm glad i got through. thank you for this information. a few comments and a question. i'll be really brief. i'm a retired federal government worker. i wish people would stop trying to demonize government workers. we worked hard and had a lot of credentials. there were people who didn't work, but those were few. i have an issue with the indiscriminate firings that are being done. you have people who are working hard and they shouldn't be fired just because some random issue. second, the media has always been biased with you being now with the sun, i hope you show more black people doing well. they seem to focus on the ones that are not. and it's more of us who are doing well who are christian values, family values and i wish you would focus more on that because i'm tired of being demonized for that.

my question is: 63 years old, when i was coming up, our community taught us we had to be twice as good as other populations to get a job. so as far as dei is concerned, and adding to that, i've personally trained at least two white people who got promoted over me. so my question is regarding dei. do you actually think that the people who are hired under these programs are incompetent and got the position only because they're black, because i would say that is not the case. >> all right, carolyn. >> absolutely. the majority not. i think most people would get their own merit. that's why you don't necessarily need dei. i really appreciate you calling from baltimore because we have, over the last two weeks, been focusing on very successful americans who happen to be black and entrepreneurs and how they contribute to the better way of life in baltimore,i