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were funny. they are not terrorists. that's ridiculous. okay now we have a whole another hour for you guys. and guess what, mitt romney talking about how he's a southerner trying to appeal to the southern votes. >> good morning, y'all. >> please, don't do it, stop stop. but in fact, we're going to show you how if he's running the campaign like a business, he's a loser. and conservatives, the sharks are in the water, and they're talking about sarah palin. maybe as bad as rush limbaugh. do you know who is saying that? sarah palin. >> have you ever gotten an apology from bill maher. >> no, and i don't ever want to speak to bill maher. >> wow, you got him, sarah. but we're going to have a real debate as to what bill maher said. was it as bad as what rush
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limbaugh said? also, now conservatives are talking elizabeth warren because she's popular in hollywood. >> hollywood has a new "it" girl. hollywood has followed elizabeth warren big time 12,347 how about scott brown. why don't we look into his finances. do you know where he gets his money? from texas oil guys and wall street bankers. that's a lot worse. we've got that story for you as well. it's showtime. ♪ >> all right, the primary fight turns to kansas on saturday and on tuesday we go down south alabama, and mississippi. so mitt romney has got to try to reach out to those southern voters. he has a funny way of doing it. >> not turning me, into an unofficial southerner and i'm learn to go say y'all, and i
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like grits and strange things are happening to me. >> good morning, y'all. >> mitt, don't do it. don't even try. at least he's not pretending to do it for real. he said i'm trying to do it. i'll give him a pass on that one and he has collected all those endorsements in mississippi and alabama because they love mitt romney. what is interestinged is who mitt romney loves. apparently he looks up to the chinese. watch. >> the olympics games in china. how quickly they built things. how productive they are as a society. we should see their airports compared to our airports. their train systems, they're moving partly because their regulators see their jobs as encouraging. >> what kind of stuff is this
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guy. praising communists. can you imagine if president obama did that. oh, the chinese are awesome. i would love to emulate the chinese. sean hannity would do 28 shows in a row. oh, we told you he was a communist. i guess mitt romney wants to turn the country over to the chinese communist. if that's his big strategy, at least the american people know it. but his overall strategy in this primary system has been abysmal. a fascinating way to look at this is how much money he has spent for how many votes he has got. look at these numbers. they're stunning. he pent $55 million overall in the primaries and he has gotten 3.2 million votes. it's a stunningly high $17.14. that's not a very good return on investment. as a comparison let's show you rick santorum. he spent $5 million overall.
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he got 2 million votes and that cost him $2.54 per vote. so wait a minute. i thought you were a great businessman? what happened, mitt romney. all of a sudden it turns out you have to spend so much more money than rick santorum to get his votes. what happened to the business generous? can you imagine if rick santorum and mitt romney had the same amount of money. he might be kicking his ass to the north, south, east and west. i don't know what he's going to do if he doesn't have the money advantage against problem well, i do know. probably lose. we have numbers. in alabama, romney still hanging on to a little bit of a lead, 36.3% to 24% for gingrich. do you see how gingrich is above santorum at 22.7%. but three days is a lifetime. god knows what will happen by tuesday.
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and in mississippi, romney has a larger lead, 35% 27% 27% and ron paul mysteriously still in the race for reasons we can't figure out. so when you look at those numbers, you know what, hey mitt romney is still leading but, god, it's costing him a ton of money to do so. i'm going to bring in our very own epic politics man michael shure. ♪ >> well, there you have it. >> there it is. >> michael, talk to me about this amount of money spent. is that a good way of seeing whether he's an effective candidate or not? >> it's certainly an interesting way of seeing it. especially when you talk about the climate of money that gets us so upset at "the young turks" but has poisoned the system. you see mitt romney being able to spend this much per vote and not do that well which shows
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more about mitt romney than the process. clearly santorum is overperforming. it dawned on me today that mitt romney is selling himself as the economy--the business in this race. if bain capital bought the romney campaign, they'd fire romney. >> i love that. >> it's really true. >> let's talk more nuance here. when you total up the votes for santorum and newt gringrich they actually have more votes than mitt romney. now the reason why that might be relevant, if they manage to collect more delegates than mitt romney, is there a chance as they go to the conference, santorum and gingrich go, let's shake on it, me, you vp and president we get rid of romney. >> the convention would never allow the person leading in delegates to have nothing to do with the tickets this wouldn't
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happen, first of all if you think of a romney campaign would be bad a gingrich-santorum campaign would be disastrous. >> i know. it would be awesome. now if gingrich says if i don't win alabama his spokesperson is saying he is likely to drop out. or if they both say in and collect delegates. >> i think they do more damage together still running for president against mitt romney than they do if there's just one of them. i think rick santorum for example, running as a sing candidate against mitt romney gets annihilated after all while. >> i think rick santorum gets annihilated. the only campaign that would be worse is, you're right santorum and gingrich. obama, i don't think anybody has suggested that before. >> no, they haven't, and there's a reason. >> i would like to take credit for a theory that probably will
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not happen. if the obama white house is watching the show, and i know they are, someone is saying oh my god, that would be awesome. >> or they're saying what is this cenk guy is smoking. >> saturday kansas and then those two big states on tuesday and i know you'll be in alabama covering it for us. who do you think comes out the victor? is it gingrich or santorum? >> there have been no less reliable polling than polling in alabama and mississippi. i know gingrich has pulled out of kansas. it will be rick santorum. and then going to the south, gingrich is a southerner. he does speak that language there, and if he's able to get people behind him, yeah, he could have a stand.
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people are having fun with this election too. so i think people want to vote for newt gringrich just for that, to see it keep going. it will keep going. i don't see for a way for mitt romney to lock this up before june. >> i like that it has become an amuse of the ride, and voters areinalabama are saying let's see how it goes. >> but truthfully, just finally, think the people in alabama want anyone but romney. i think that in the fall they want anyone but-- >> on an unrelighted note you found something about healthcare that i thought was fascinating. tell me about that. >> it turns out that the lead plaintiff in the case against the affordable care act has filed for bankruptcy because of high medical bills. >> come on you cannot--i love that. that's the funniest thing i've heard in a long, long time.
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michael shure, thank you for joining us. we really appreciate it. now when we come back very serious issue, that is iran. there has been a tremendous amount of war propaganda in the u.s. to get us into a war with iran. you know who is doing a great job fighting back? it turns out its president obama. we'll tell but that when we come back. >> if some of these folks think that it's time to launch a war they should say so.
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>>you got a bone to pick with that? ♪ >> we are back on "the young turks." now on this program we've been covering the propaganda for a war with iran that you see all over the mainstream media. and i was a little concerned that president obama's position was a little too right winged. after he spoke at apac some of the conservatives in israel said he sounded like a member of the right wing party in israel. and "the new york times" had an article about how president obama didn't sunday that much different. when you look at the actual policy, not the rhetoric. but now we have news that president obama behind the scenes has been doing brilliant
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diplomacy, and may have them on theonthe run and may avoid a war. >> what is said on the campaign trail, those folks don't have a lot of responsibilityies. they're not command centerer in chief. when i see the casualness in which some of these folks talk about war, i'm reminded of the costs involved in war. if some of these folks think that it's time to launch a war they should say so. they should explain to the american people exactly why they would do that and what the consequences would be. >> when i saw the president say that i thought, there we go, that was great. because he talked about, oh, they seem so casual. you want to talk about the costs. i'm the president of the united states of america. i know the cost when you send our kids into war. what are these rookies talking about?
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they don't know what they're talking about. you want war? say it. i dare you, say it. you know why, the american people would have no interest in that war. i love the turn that he made there. that was out in public. a lot of people have rallied to the causes of not fighting that war in iran, including the current masaud chiefs saying that would be a bad idea. one of the former masaud chiefs went on 60 minutes and this is what he had to say. >> do you think ahmadinejad is rational. >> yes. >> do you think they're rational enough that they're capable of backing down from this? >> no doubt that the iranian regime maybe not exactly rationale based on what i call western thinking, but they're considering all the implications
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of the direction. >> basically saying, hey, look this idea that the leadership of iran is all insane and that the minute they have a nuclear weapon, if they ever get a nuclear weapon however many years later that they'll immediately us it on israel, he's calling bs on it as our military leader have. he said stumbling into this war is a bad idea. guess what, after all this pressure, prime minister benjamin netanyahu was talking with president obama. >> i'm not standing with a stop watch in hand. it is not a matter of days and weeks but also not a matter of years. everybody understands. >> all of a sudden the guy who said we got to go right away, is now saying it could be in a couple of years. that's as soft as netanyahu gets. every other quote is, we got to
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attack. but they asked him recently, don't you have to work with the united states? the critical reason why, there was a poll in israel where they asked israelis, if they do not have u.s. support should israel attack? only 19% said yes. he's saying, ultimately our responsibility is to ensure that we do not get to a situation where we contradict what president obama said. really? he continues, we must not get to a state where israel does not have the ability to defend itself by itself against any threat. it's interesting that all of a sudden the guy who kept saying, blah-blah-blah it would be nice to have them on our side wouldn't it. well played by president obama. well, gary is one of the founders of salon.com. he has written about this. great to have you on the program. now tell me how president obama manages this feat?
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>> well, he is sort of political judo. he went in front of apac and did what he had to do. he took quite a hard line but he was there saying there were lines that he was not going to cross that netanyahu wanted him to cross. even at apac he refused to cross that line. he said all the right things, and then said we got your back and he performed this ritual genu-flecting that he needed to do. but as you pointed out, then he really walked a lot of it back in an adroit way without taking it back. for example, he said, when i said we've got your back, that doesn't mean that i'm telling you that you can bomb. then he said there has been too
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much loose talk about war and the drums of war, and those statement applied to not only the g.o.p. warmongers who were loosely vying with each other who could be the quickest to nuke tehran, but they applied to netanyahu who has been talking loosely about war. obama got a two-fer. there. he was able to adroitly school his domestic g.o.p. opponents and he was able to do that because he knows the american people are not behind a disastrous middle east war, but he was able to subtly shoot a shot across netanyahus bow. and it's imperative that they see the necessity of defending themselves, and that's why there is all this misguided talk about attacking iran. but they also even more
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importantly as a strategic trump card for israel to preserve the special relationship with the united states. obama is doing everything short of explicitly calling on them not to talk iran to make clear that united states does not want israel to attack iran. >> so gary in your article obama's apac trifecta there is interesting interplay. on one hand you have netanyahu coming here and getting standing ovations in congress, and apac so powerful, and unfortunately right wing. there are groups in favor of israel in this country that are more moderate, but apac happens to be more right wing. but then president obama seems to have funneled the power of democracy. in fact, the american people don't want to go to war, and it turns out the israeli people don't want to go to war. tell me about those two forces. >> yeah, i think apac and certainly they overplayed their
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hand. they felt their leadership has become increasingly right wing and increasingly associated with a far right-wing party. this is a mistake for them. in the case of iran, this threat has made people in the apac orbit come in and be more voiceferious because i think it's for some misguided jew who is say if iran has a bomb, that is the end of israel. for a variety of reasons they're filled with puberous huberous.
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they have this mom and pop apple pie we must attack iran, but then they say they didn't have a choice in this matter. but when the g.o.p. candidates came up thundering warmongering talk it put obama in position where he could play the ultimate card which is the american people's lack of desire to have a war. and so apac left obama no choice. they're not going to go to war with iran. gas prices are money day and no one brings up. the sanctions that u.s. has placed on iran those sanctions are responsible for an unprecedented 13% rise in gas prices, the highest in history of this time of year. americans do not like that, and many have figured out that the reason why their gas is so high is because of the attention on
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iran. apac has put themselves in position that they're going up against american's pocketbooks and those issues are killers. obama played it the way he had to, but he did it very adroitly. he was not going to cross those red lines. obama does not want to have $5 a gallon gas. he does not want to have a war before the election. it would be disastrous. and it would destabilize the whole region. >> plus it's a horrible idea because of the human cost. >> it's a horrible idea, yes. >> gary, co-founder of salon.com. thank you so much for joining us. we appreciate it. >> thank you, cenk. i appreciate it. >> now when we come back, well bill maher is now under attack by fox news sarah palin etc. for saying some, well, pretty bad stuff about sarah palin. can it be compared to what rush limbaugh said? we'll have a discussion and
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debate about that when we return. >> sarah palin finally heard what happened in japan. [laughter] and she's demanding that we invade tsunami.
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♪ >> all right, time for the supreme court where we take up cover questions. today bill maher versus rush limbaugh. everybody remembers rush limbaugh called sandra fluke horrible names and lost 50 advertisers lost two radio stations as well. now the conservatives are counterattacking saying that bill maher has said terrible things about sarah palin among others. let's watch bill maher. >> i loved it. it's bachmann and palin get into
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it. two bimbos. sarah palin finally heard what happened in japan. [laughter] and she's demanding that we invade tsunami. i mean, she said, these tsunamiens will not get away with this. [laughter] oh, speaking of dumb [bleep] >> that word we can't say on air. it's one of the "t" words. it's hard to figure out which one it is. in my opinion it was not that bad, but there is a stand up routine in dallas, not on the show but he did say it that reportedly he called her the "c" word and said that was the only word for her. sarah palin has had reaction to this. this is what she has had to say. >> i don't know how anyone can sit in the audience of a commentator like bill maher and chuckle and laugh and think that's entertaining. it's disgusting and dirty money
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that he has provided barack obama's campaign. i don't know how barack obama can sleep at night when he thinks of his daughters and the treatment of women and accept that dirty money. >> this is how i would sleep at night. anyway, we'll get to that discussion. white house now under pressure. look they got $1 million from bill maher in the super pac. should they renounce it. >> we are not and cannot be the arbitrator of every statement that everybody makes in the policy and political arena. as a general matter obviously language that denigrates women is inappropriate. >> all right, now let's open it up to the supreme court here. we'll start with ana logically. all of these are directed against women. you're a woman.
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the "c" word is really, really bad. what are your thoughts. >> the "c" word is really bad. as with everything, context really parties matters. >> the other "c" word, context. >> when you look at rush limbaugh. he was not doing a comedy routine. he called somebody a and prostitute and meant it. but with bill maher it was harsh but in the middle of a comedy routine. he was doing his monologue. i give him a pass for it. >> okay now, jimmy you're a key mediancomedian. >> some people would say that. >> you claim to be. should comedians get a broader area to pray to play in. >> i'll tell you the difference. here's the problem when they try to equate what bill maher did with what rush limbaugh did. when you are ridiculing someone in power, that's called comedy. when you're ridiculing someone who is powerless.
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that's bullying. sarah palin had power. she was governor. she was running to be the most second powerful person in the country. she's wide open to ridicule. he doesn't have power over her bill maher. rush limbaugh is very powerful. he was trying to intimidate not only that woman but all women from speaking up for women's reproductive health. >> i hear all of you i'm not sure if it's out of bounds on a comedy routine. if he said it on a tv show-- >> i don't think jimmy is very funny. i didn't laugh once during that whole thing. listen, here's the thing. i think that if--it's okay for them to say, well, if rush limbaugh had to apologize some of these people have to apologize. i say it because i would be saying the same thing. if it was only conservatives doing it and a liberal oh, the
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conservatives had to apologize also. i don't want to be a hypocrite tall. but there is a difference in the arena, and context, that does matter. >> ajesus, you're offer voice of reason. can people drop the "c" word left and right? >> definitely i don't think it's okay. they'll always have that umbrella saying that i'm in a comedy show to cover themselves with. i think it's harder to be so easy to throw that around. >> that's interesting. what if rush limbaugh stood up and said everybody the "c" word. >> but bill maher and rush limbaugh, and rush limbaugh, the way it hit me, as ana said, his comments could cause more hard or take a conversation in a different conversation. >> ishconversation. >> i hear you on that. >> he has people out there to
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spread his gospel. >> a lot of people like bill maher. >> i don't disagree with that, but it's not like there are mahr heads. >> and rush limbaugh has been pushing this anti-woman ideology for such a long time for decades. that's why word fem-nazi is very common on people who want to hit on women. >> i agree. i hear you on that, but at the same time it's not like bill maher--let's put it this way and i love bill maher i yes with him on 98% of the stuff. but if someone were to charge bill maher on misogyny, they would not be out of bounds. >> that probably was not a good choice if he's trying to insinuate himself in political discussion, which he's trying to do. it was stupid. it's not equivalent. but a three-day attack on a person who was not a public
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person, who has no power, and he calls her those names. he was not saying that about her sexuality. rush limbaugh was. >> i hear you on that. that's a fair point. and i want everyone to understand i'm not on the side that they're equivalent. you're 100% right on the context. but president obama, look at these comments that are harmful to women. give the money back. is that a fair ploy? should he give the money back? >> i don't think he should give the money back because bill maher gave money to a pac. the ills that have gone on in republican hands and those who give republicans their money are far worse than the utterance of bill maher. the actual hurtful things that are done. i'm not demeaning what bill maher said and it's hard to defend sarah palin but i can understand why she would be upset about it.
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>> the family research has been considered a hate group, and the guy who runs the thing is on msnbc every day, and chris matthews calls him his 'ol buddy. >> and republicans kiss his ass daily. those are all validations. if i was obama, i would say super pac, i don't coordinate with my super pac at all. can i get one last thing. you're saying it's not the same. don't give the money back. that's how the court is ruling but i think mahr should consider apologizing for using the "c" w0rd. what do you think about that? ana? >> he should consider it. [laughter] >> yes, he should consider it. >> michael? >> actually, i agree. it's a joke answer, but he should consider it. but it's fine if he doesn't because he's a comedian. >> i don't think he should because then it does give the appearance that he agrees that it's equivalent.
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>> i hear you guys. i think he should consider it, but i'm not the boss of bill maher. god knows he ain't going to listen to me or anybody else. he'll do what he does. good rulings, and when we come back you know who else the conservatives are attacking? elizabeth warren, and that is not the right way to go. we fight back when we return. >> she has been to hollywood before but this is the big coming out party.
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